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00:00<krondor_>I've emerged (in gentoo) lirc and copied the lirc conf from the ivtv drivers, but my remote isn't working and I don't know why. var/log/lirc says lircd(any) ready.. what am I missing?
00:00<krondor_>oh and for any developers in here this program is amazing omg!!
00:01<anduinw>krondor - set your card type to hardware mpeg, change the resolution when you config your profiles
00:02<anduinw>krondor - getting the pvr remote to work can be a little painful
00:02<krondor_>anduinw: hmm.. that doesn't sound good :( I thought it looked easy enough from the docs on mythtv and from that premade config with ivtv :(
00:03<krondor_>anduinw: ok I'll mess with res in the profiles thanks for that, I'll read up on how to select a profile to use as that kind of confused me to
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00:05<anduinw>krondor - the trouble with the remote is usually just the LIRC version you use (CVS is what you should use) and getting proper I2C support in your kernel.
00:08<krondor_>anduinw: k I'll switch from gentoo's emerge to cvs, and I think I have i2c right in my kernel, but I can read up on that some more. Is there a tool I can use to cat the signals or something to see if it's there?
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00:10<anduinw>krondor - lirc cvs, not mythcvs
00:11<anduinw>krondor - for lirc use irw to test, it attached to the lirc daemon and prints the key presses to stdout
00:11<anduinw>er attaches
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00:16<krondor_>anduinw: thanks irw causes lircd to crash no /dev/lirc but there is a /dev/lircd so that's odd.. I'm assuming that's my problem and it's probably something to do with what you said i2c and not having the newest lirc from cvs
00:16<krondor_>anduinw: thanks again for your help :)
00:17<anduinw>look for a lirc_dev module (really you want lirc_i2c which should load the dev module)
00:20<krondor_>I didnt have either loaded but I can modprobe them both with no errors
00:21<anduinw>cool, does it work now?
00:22<krondor_>anduinw: nope now I get accepted new client on /dev/lircd could not open /dev/lirc default_init: is a directory then lircd crashes
00:22<krondor_>anduinw: but now there is a /dev/lirc/0
00:24<daralc>Unknown option: list-regions
00:24<daralc>To configure: /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk --configure [--config-file FILE]
00:24<daralc>To grab listings: /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk [--config-file FILE] [--output FILE] [--days N] [--offset N]
00:24<daralc>parameterless "use IO" deprecated at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/XML/ line 16
00:24<daralc>i can't get around having xmltv problems?
00:24<daralc>should i install .14?
00:24<anduinw>move to north america :)
00:26<daralc>haha i am in northamerica
00:26<daralc>it happens when i put in my zip code
00:26<daralc>2973... when i put in the 2 it hangs
00:26<daralc>and gets that error
00:26<tmk>does mythfilldatabase have to complete before it populates the channel listings
00:26<anduinw>why are you using the uk grabber?
00:26<tmk>or can i see todays listings before it's done
00:26<daralc>i dunno
00:26<krondor_>irw --help
00:26<krondor_>sorry wrong terminal
00:27<daralc>where do i get the US grabber?
00:27<tmk>it's part of xmltv
00:27<anduinw>you have it
00:28<daralc>how do i tell mythtv to use that? other than select North America when setting up a video source
00:28<anduinw>AFAIK that should be enough
00:29<anduinw>krondor - year the lirc tools are... well unforgiving
00:29<daralc>oh did i need to do mythfilldatabase/
00:29<anduinw>er yeah
00:29<daralc>[root@localhost xmltv-0.5.15]# mythfilldatabase
00:29<daralc>mythfilldatabase: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
00:29<anduinw>you need xmltv to work for mythfilldatabase to do anything
00:30<daralc>i just now downloaded xmltv .5.15 and compiled from source
00:30<anduinw>daralc - you still using the packages? or the source now?
00:30<daralc>both :)
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00:31<anduinw>so you grabbed the cvs source for myth? did a configure; make; makeinstall?
00:31<anduinw>er make install
00:31<anduinw>don't drink and type kids
00:31<tmk>what does "unknown xmltv channel identifier: 5" mean
00:32<tmk>i get it for every channel
00:32<daralc>perl script instead of configure
00:32<daralc>then make make install
00:32<krondor_>anduinw: yeah these man pages don't say much of anything hmm
00:33<anduinw>hmm so does /usr/local/lib/* exist?
00:34<daralc>[root@localhost xmltv-0.5.15]# ls /usr/local/lib/libmyth*
00:34<daralc>/usr/local/lib/ /usr/local/lib/
00:34<daralc>/usr/local/lib/ /usr/local/lib/
00:35<anduinw>daralc - and /usr/local/lib is in /etc/
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00:36<daralc>but i fixed that now
00:36<daralc>[root@localhost xmltv-0.5.15]# mythfilldatabase
00:36<daralc>Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
00:36<daralc>There are no channel sources defined, did you run the setup program?
00:36<anduinw>krondor - lirc/0? /dev/lirc should be a char device
00:37<daralc>oh ok
00:37<daralc>i got it to take the zip code
00:37<anduinw>daralc - so xmltv is working now?
00:37<daralc>i just waited about 3 seconds
00:37<daralc>instead of tapping the last digit until it unhung it was just taking a second
00:37<anduinw>now you need to run mythfilldatabase
00:38<daralc>getting channel list, be patient..
00:38<daralc>zap2it failed to give us a page: 500:Internal Server Error
00:38<daralc>check postal/zip code or www site (maybe they're down)
00:38<anduinw>now you need to patch xmltv
00:39<tmk>how can i see what's in the mythtv channels database?
00:39<daralc>i do?
00:39<daralc>where do i get the patch
00:40<tmk>its on the mailing list
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00:41<anduinw>guess it was my turn
00:42<tmk>anduinw: how can i see what myth thinks it has for a channels database
00:43<tmk>and should i run myth as a user or as root?
00:43<anduinw>tmk - mysql -u root mythconverg
00:44<tmk>sorry, i'm new to mysql
00:44<anduinw>select * from channel
00:44<daralc>doing mythfilldatabase
00:45<anduinw>'show tables;' will list all tables in the database, 'describe <tablename>;' will show the fields in a table. The rest is just SQL.
00:45<tmk>anduinw: ok this is strange
00:45<anduinw>i hate mysql
00:45<tmk>the channel names are like "2 KNTV"
00:46<tmk>but xmltv returns channel names like "2"
00:46<tmk>and mythtv gets upset
00:46<tmk>mythfilldatabase does rather
00:46<anduinw>tmk - you are runnin mythcvs right?
00:47<anduinw>and you are using .15 for xmltv?
00:49<tmk>what's the prognosis?
00:49<tmk>should i run a bunch of update queries?
00:49<anduinw>hmm, I'm lame, I still run .14, i think .15 gives both, but myth supports that
00:49<anduinw>no, it should work
00:50<anduinw>I need to fix my xmltv grabber anyway 1 sec
00:50<tmk>well when xmltv is done
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00:50<tmk>i get an error message for every channel
00:50<daralc>how long does mythfilldatabaset ake
00:50<tmk>how fast is your internet line
00:51<anduinw>tmk - 768kbps SDSL
00:51<anduinw>fast for me
00:51<tmk>takes me about 700 seconds
00:51<anduinw>slower on modems i hear
00:51<tmk>cable modem
00:51<tmk>2mbit+ download
00:52<tmk>so regarding this xmltv thing
00:52<tmk>it tells me "unkown xmltv channel identifier: 2"
00:52<tmk>for every channel (but it has the correct channel #)
00:52<tmk>whereas in the database, the xmltvid field is the callsign
00:52<tmk>ie KNTV
00:53<anduinw>what is in your ~/.mythtv/source.xmltv file?
00:53<daralc>how often do i have to do this?
00:53<tmk>daralc: nightly
00:53<daralc>myself? i have to physically do it?
00:53<tmk>is recommended
00:54<tmk>anduin: bunch of lines like "channel: 2 KNTV"
00:54<mikegrb>tmk do you know what a plugin has to do to be detected by mythtv once it is installed? Do I need to modify mythtv to have it look for the library or does it look to so what libraries are in that directory
00:55<tmk>i know nothing!
00:55<mikegrb>okay :-)
00:55<mikegrb>just giving it a shot
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00:55<mikegrb>Chutt you around?
00:55<anduinw>mikegrb - I don't think so but you do have a few examples to look at
00:55<daralc>tmk: how many programs/sec do you get?
00:56<mikegrb>anduinw: what do you mean?
00:56<anduinw>mikegrb - mythmusic, mythdvd...
00:57<bline>sup tmk
00:57<mikegrb>anduinw: well this is mythmail <g>
00:57<tmk>trying to get mythtv to work
00:57<bline>it's not working?
00:57<tmk>problem with xmltv and channel id's
00:57<tmk>xmltv is giving "2" as channel id
00:57<tmk>myth wants "2 KNTV"
00:57<bline>so fix it ;)
00:57<tmk>i don't know enough about it yet. might be an easy fix :)
00:58<Chutt>tmk, get xmltv 0.5.15
00:58<mikegrb>It has to be added to the xml file with a <depends> tag
00:58<Chutt>and wipe your db
00:58<bline>perl is pretty easy
00:58<tmk>chutt: that's what i have
00:58<bline>hey Chutt, how's it going?
00:58<Chutt>that's weird
00:58<Chutt>it shouldn't be looking for that data
00:58<Chutt>bline, good 'nuff =)
00:59<tmk>chutt: yeah it says "unkown xmltv channel id: 2" after each xmltv run
00:59<tmk>but it does it for EVERY channel
00:59<Chutt>that's odd
00:59<tmk>in teh db, the xmltvid's are like "KNTV"
00:59<Chutt>are you sure you're running cvs mythtv?
00:59<tmk>how can i tell
01:00<tmk>is there a version tag or smth
01:00<tmk>there are CVS dir's in my source...
01:00<daralc>whats the redhat GUI for cron?
01:00<Chutt>yeah, but you had the non-cvs version installed first
01:00<tmk>never installed it
01:00<Chutt>did you use packages or something?
01:00<tmk>no, source both times
01:00<Chutt>your xmltvid's in the db should be like
01:01<paulproteus>kcron for KDE might be available in RedHat
01:01<paulproteus>Kcron's quite good, actually, I find.
01:01<bline>daralc: crontab -e?
01:01<daralc>how many days does mythfilldatabase do at once?
01:01<Chutt>depends on how much data it needs
01:01<Chutt>up to 9 days worth.
01:01<tmk>is there a make uninstall
01:02<Chutt>tmk, yeah
01:02<Chutt>but you'd need to drop the db manually.
01:02<Chutt>i'm not really sure what's wrong
01:02<bline>Chutt: that patch i sent in, you got some comments about it?
01:03<Chutt>the qapp wrapper?
01:03<Chutt>i'm worried about it breaking stuff
01:03<bline>know any better way?
01:03<mikegrb>paulproteus: I got my remote issues straightened out, had renamed the module as .o.bak and it was still getting loaded up with the new one, they were fighting so it half worked exactly the same way everytime, all better now :-)
01:03<paulproteus>Oh, excellent, mikegrb.
01:03<paulproteus>How is that remote?
01:03<paulproteus>I'm thinking of using it for my MythMusic install.
01:03<paulproteus>And how cheap is it?
01:04<bline>Chutt: the only other way I can see doing it is to subclass all widgets we use from Qt
01:04<Chutt>tmk, what's tv_grab_na --version give you?
01:04<Chutt>and you've applied that patch on the mailing list, right?
01:06<mikegrb>Chutt: a tag mismatch in mainmenu.xml causes a seg fault but after giving a usable error message, is this something you would be interested in a backtrace of?
01:06<Chutt>naw, not really
01:06<Chutt>exiting or segfaulting after a good error message really doesn't change things
01:06<mikegrb>Okay, thought maybe it wouldn't matter since it does print a good error message, with line number and everything
01:08<tmk>chutt: version 1.82 2003/08/05
01:09<tmk>chutt: yes
01:10<Chutt>i've only got 1.78 here
01:10<tmk>xmltv 0.5.15
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01:10<tmk>shall i paste?
01:10<Chutt>you're using cvs xmltv is all
01:10<tmk>should i put an old one in?
01:12<Chutt>i don't see any changes in their cvs tree that would make it break :(
01:12* paulproteuspokes mikegrb
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01:13<mikegrb>paulproteus: yes?
01:13<mikegrb>sorry <g>
01:14* paulproteusnods in forgiveness,
01:14<Chutt>can you do: tv_grab_na --days 1 --offset 0 --config-file ~/.mythtv/<blah>.xmltv --output test.xml
01:14<Chutt>and email me that test.xml?
01:14<Chutt>probably bzip2 it for size, too =)
01:14<tmk> running
01:15<daralc>why ismy weather from 10:54pm and its 1:12am
01:15<mikegrb>paulproteus: I think it was $20 and it is a nice size and has just about the perfect number and type of buttons for mythtv, better for me is it transmits as a standard RCA DVD remote so it works great with my nice Sony RM-VL1000 remote
01:16<Chutt>daralc, because the website it grabs weather data from only updates the forcast every so often
01:16<paulproteus>What kind of range do you get, mikegrb? And what's it called precisely?
01:17<mikegrb>paulproteus: it's the xbox dvd playback kit from microsoft, range has been pretty good I haven't really had any problems with it up to about 15-20ft
01:17<daralc>Chutt: that sucks
01:17<mikegrb>paulproteus: seems to work equally well with my Sony remote
01:17<Chutt>err, no, it doesn't.
01:17<mikegrb>paulproteus: my wife is glad to be back to one remote again
01:18<tmk>chutt: you've got mail
01:19<daralc>where is a list of the shorcuts ffor mythtv
01:19<tmk>i got a learning remote from radioshack awhile back
01:19<tmk>learns codes that it don't know
01:19<tmk>was between $20 and $40
01:20<Chutt>what the hell
01:20<Chutt>this looks fine
01:20<mikegrb>daralc: keys.txt in the src directory
01:20<tmk>should i drop the db?
01:20<tmk>xmltvid is still like "KNTV"
01:20<tmk>not blahblah.somthing.somethignelse
01:21<mikegrb>tmk: This one has a nice little LCD display so you can have custom buttons, like for selecting components I have a list that includes mythtv among other things
01:21<tmk>i see
01:21<Chutt>tmk, i'd wipe your channel and program tables, at least
01:22<Chutt>what version of qt do you have installed?
01:22<tmk>old and grimy
01:23<Chutt>can you modify programs/mythfilldatabase/filldata.cpp?
01:23<tmk>i can
01:23<Chutt>like line 265 or so
01:23<tmk>but let me drop the tables first
01:23<Chutt>before the return chaninfo
01:23<tmk>or should i do that first
01:23<Chutt>doesn't matter
01:23<Chutt>drop the tables first, i suppose
01:23<Chutt>well, wipe em, not drop em =)
01:24<tmk>what's the syntax
01:24<tmk>wipe channel; didn't work
01:24<Chutt>cout << "Channel: " << chaninfo->chanstr << " " << chaninfo->xmltvid << " " << chaninfo->old_xmltvid << endl;
01:24<Chutt>delete from channel;
01:24<Chutt>delete from program;
01:25<tmk>mysql> select * from program
01:25<tmk> -> ;
01:25<tmk>Empty set (0.00 sec)
01:25<Chutt>make that mod to filldata.cpp, then recompile and run mythfilldatabase
01:25<Chutt>maybe i'll see what's going on :(
01:27<tmk>if only my box were fast
01:27<bline>C++ compiling isn't fast on any box
01:27<tmk>should i run myth as root
01:27<tmk>or as user
01:28<tmk>i bet i need to run setup again huh
01:29<anduinw>i don't think that is true
01:29<bline>as a normal user
01:29<tmk>well i deleted everything in channel and program
01:29<tmk>and now am doing a mythfilldb
01:29<bline>mythfrontend and mythbackend should be run as the same user
01:29<tmk>doesn't setup use those
01:29<anduinw>but everything in there cimes fron mythfilldatabase i think
01:29<bline>err maybe not, but not as root
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01:31<daralc>can i pull up guide while in live tv mode?
01:34<bline>hey anduinw, you know a different way to do what I am doing with the patch I sent?
01:34<tmk>what is mythcommflag
01:34<tmk>it keeps disappearing from my source tree
01:34<bline>commercial flagging
01:34<tmk>why would it delete itself
01:34<bline>but it is done interanlly. You don't need it unless you plan on flagging manuallyl
01:35<tmk>make is complaining that it's missing
01:35<tmk>but it wasn't missing yesterday
01:35<bline>cvs up; ?
01:35<anduinw>bline - nope, well not without changing everything :)
01:36<bline>anduinw: yeah, that is what I was thinking. Have to subclass all the Qt widgets we use to fix without that code.
01:36<bline>I just don't think Chutt would accept a patch that does that.
01:37<anduinw>bline - I think what you sent as a patch last time would be ok, maybe throw it as an option which is only turned on with some command line flag.
01:37<anduinw>er when
01:39<tmk>it's working now
01:39<tmk>now i get to wait for an hour while mythtfilldatabase runs
01:40<anduinw>tmk - ok now set it up to record all your favorite shows, better yet your gf's. That way the ivtv driver will be all fixed within a week!
01:40<tmk>that's the idea
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01:41<tmk>xmltv is very supportive
01:41<tmk>"nice going! you're running the latest xmltv"
01:42<anduinw>tmk - no it breaks all the time so it lets you know when you need to update (yeah, half empty)
01:50<tmk>6 days into mythfilldatabase
01:50<tmk>does it go to 9?
01:54<Chutt>so what the hell was wrong with it
01:55<tmk>dropped tables
01:55<tmk>updated mythfilldatabase
01:56<Chutt>that wasn't anything that could affect how it ran
01:56<Chutt>ah well
01:56<tmk>i really don't think i did any installing from the old non-cvs version
01:56<Chutt>'slong as it's working now
01:56<tmk>though that's the only thing it could be i guess
01:56<tmk>yay. filldb done
02:02<anduinw>I wish that guy rewriting the socket stuff would hurry up.
02:03<tmk>what does a black screen mean
02:03<tmk>when watching tv
02:04<tmk>'c' doesn't work, nor do channel changings
02:04<anduinw>is it black and the keyboard isn't responding?
02:04<tmk>numlock works
02:04<anduinw>what about escape?
02:05<anduinw>do you see anything printed at the console?
02:06<tmk>ok, here's the deal
02:06<tmk>i hit 'watch tv'
02:06<tmk>it crashes
02:07<tmk>says 'Illegeal instruction'
02:07<tmk>then to get it going again
02:07<tmk>i need to restart mythbackend
02:08<paulproteus>mikegrb: So you said I could have just the receiver, and get a standard RCA DVD remote, and it'd work?
02:09<anduinw>tmk - do you have a real smp machine?
02:10<tmk>cat /dev/video0 produces valid mpg
02:10<anduinw>hmm, wonder where the crash is
02:11<tmk>perhaps it has to do with audio?
02:12<anduinw>can you not write to /dev/dsp (or where you set it to output)? (note myth just errors in this case though i think)
02:12<bline>there is something about 'Illegeal instruction' in the FAQ iirc
02:12<bline>sounds like you compiled with a gcc flag your processor does not support though
02:13<bline>like sse
02:13<anduinw>ah, that would make sense
02:19<tmk>that was it
02:19<tmk>hey i just oops'd my box
02:19<bline>what flag was it?
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02:19<anduinw>yeah ivtv will do that to ya :)
02:20<bline>ivtv sucks ;)
02:20* tmkhooks up a serial cable
02:23<tmk>i think i have every possible port used on my mythtv box
02:24<bline>all but a serial port here
02:25<tmk>yeah, i have an ir port free too
02:25<tmk>possibly usb
02:26<bline>oh yeah, I have a usb port used as well
02:26<bline>but not for long, my touchscreen will be here soon
02:27<mechou>hmm, touch screen?
02:27<bline>elo 15 inch
02:27<bline>won it on ebay
02:27<paulproteus>How much?
02:28<paulproteus>Canadian, or US?
02:28<bline>it's 885 retail
02:28<mechou>new or used?
02:28<bline>used, but it's suppose to be in good condition
02:28<paulproteus>bline: If I were you, I'd find a good internet appliance with a touch screen, and turn it into a dumb terminal.
02:29<bline>I plan to run myth on the touchscreen, and the tv for the video out
02:29<bline>have to hack it up a bit though
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03:09<Timon>bline: What is it your trying to do?
03:11<bline>drink and be happy
03:11<bline>I assumed you ment "you're"
03:11<Timon>haha, I'm on my second coors :-)
03:12<Timon>bline: Are you an english major :-)
03:12<bline>No, I am yet another programmer
03:13<Timon>Ok, you were correcting my choice of words so I figured you were one of them learned people whos tryin to fix my spellin.
03:14<bline>It was less about spelling and more about a common mistake, your for you're
03:14<tmk>the other day i was at the cableTV office
03:15<tmk>they had a sign
03:15<Timon>You are correct. I will try to use the proper word in the future. It may take me a bit, but I've finally learned to use the word presume instead of assume so there is hope for me :-)
03:15<Timon>tmk: no shit they had signs in the cable tv office :-)
03:15<tmk>"great minds discuss idea's, mediocre minds discuss events, small minds discuss people'
03:15<bline>Timon: I don't care, I was just messing with you.
03:15<tmk>evidently a great mind did not design the poster
03:16<Timon>tmk: whats wrong with the poster?
03:16<tmk>i typed it exaclty
03:16<tmk>as it was there
03:16<tmk>check for spelling
03:16<tmk>and punctuation
03:17<Timon>bline: You are correct though. I do desire to use the proper word. I pride myself on my large vocabulary, and proper use of words.
03:17<Timon>tmk: Its 11:30 and I'm on my third beer. Point out whats wrong :-)
03:17<tmk>how do you spell 'ideas'
03:18<tmk>and it's 12:30 :P
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03:18<Timon>yoiu spell it ideas :-)
03:18<bline>it's 11:30 in some time zone or 11:53 to be exact
03:18<tmk>bedtime for me
03:18<tmk>i did nothing on my planned todo list
03:19<tmk>but mythtv is working
03:19<Timon>tmk: you west coaster's, your all backwards :-)
03:19<tmk>you mean "you're"
03:19<Timon>I wrote more stuff for the LCD stuff.
03:19<tmk>later guys
03:19<Timon>damn it, yes I meant you're :-)
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03:58<Montag>okay, am I going crazy or is zap2it down?
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04:00<Montag>anybody out there?
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04:09<montag2k>hello... anybody awake?
04:10<montag2k>am I going nuts or is xmltv not working at the moment?
04:10<montag2k>(for the US)
04:10<anduin>a patch to xmltv is available, check the mythtv-users list
04:11<anduin>i don't think the official patch from xmltv has hit a tar ball on sf yet
04:11<anduin>The thread on the list is "Problems connecting to zap2it"
04:12<montag2k>okay... cool
04:12<montag2k>this all happened today? It seemed to be working yesterday
04:12<anduin>no, yesterday
04:12<montag2k>found it, thanks :-)
04:13<montag2k>I'll subscribe from now on
04:13<anduin>it is an active list
04:14<montag2k>okay - did you apply this patch to xmltv0.0.14?
04:15<montag2k>that is the version that I downloaded yesterday
04:15<anduin>well it was intended for .15 but i think someone reported that the patch applied to .14 without incident
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04:18<montag2k>wow, looks like it works... thanks
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04:30<anduin>Chutt - FYI I'm going out of town and won't be working on the socket stuff until I get back. This does not mean I've stopping, just pausing for a few days. My hope is that I'll have something working by mid next week, I'll run it for a few days and then send it in.
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05:23<BenB>hi. I have some user-level problem. my backend doesn't record *anything* at all anymore. the conflict resolution pages of both mythtv and mythweb show the shows.
05:24<BenB>interestingly, mythweb lists shows that are to be recorded at the 10th this month
05:24<BenB>something is very horked, but I have no clue what
05:24<BenB>(yes, the system date is correct - at least it seems so)
05:25<BenB>Tue Aug 13 11:24:51 CEST 2002
05:25<BenB>thanks for the help, guys! ;-P
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09:20<drew>anyone around?
09:21<drew>helllllp! ;-)
09:22<drew>there's a pinguin on my back and i can't shack him loose ;-)
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13:18<mechou>is the current mythtv cvs pretty stable? I haven't kept up for a month or so, but playback of pre-recorded has been real touch and go since my last cvs update. Not sure if it has anything to do with the commercial seek thread....
13:20<Chutt>i haven't had any problems with it.
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13:21<mechou>Somehow it disrupts recording, i.e. drop frames, loses audio sync (I think). Never used to do that before....
13:21<mechou>wonder if the nvidia driver has anything to do with this?
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13:32<billytwowilly>mechou: is that why there's no 0.11 release?
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13:40<mechou>billytwo, no, I don't have any insight on .11
13:42<billytwowilly>ok, thanks. I was just wondering because I went away for the week that it was supposed to be posted and it's still not there. I'm hoping that nothing too bad is going on.
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14:05<daralc>hi guys
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14:09<daralc>i had a problem compiling mythdvd off cvs and the answer was on the mailing list :o
14:10<daralc>i have 1400mhz athlon tbird, 512mb ecc pc2700 ddr...
14:11<daralc>is 720x480 too big?
14:11<daralc>if it is running slightly choppy
14:11<daralc>or jerky
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14:15<billytwowilly>look in the documentation at the end..
14:15<billytwowilly>I think the answer you are looking for is in there.
14:16<daralc>the DMA?
14:16<daralc>i checked that out and my hd is set for dma in both places
14:16<daralc>is RJJPEG not the compressor to use? i am doing 200+ quality too
14:17<billytwowilly>the stuff about resolutions is in there.
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14:18<srl>Hmm, so what is the cheapest video card with TV out that I can get? :)
14:19<daralc>get a gf2mx400
14:19<daralc>twinview capable
14:21<srl>Does the manufacturer matter? heh
14:22<daralc>i have like a leadtek
14:23<daralc>asus, msi, abit are all good
14:23<daralc>and creative labs
14:23<daralc>how much is that card nowadays?
14:23<srl>Which one? The leadtek?
14:25<daralc> is not up right now
14:26<srl>It looks like newegg has some generic ones
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14:31<srl>daralc: How about the brand vga? hehe
14:32<srl>Or maybe it is Apollo
14:34<daralc>i'm not sure
14:35<srl>$46 for one with 64MB DDR
14:35<daralc>thats what i have
14:35<daralc>64mb ddr leadtek
14:36<srl>I guess the brand is Apollo
14:37<srl>But this is a GF4mx
14:37<srl>I think
14:41<daralc>oh i had a geforce 2
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14:53<extremis>so, I'm curious. is .11 coming out soon?
14:54<Chutt>couple days
14:54<Chutt>i was going to do it tonight, but i've got company coming over
14:54<srl>Chutt: I'm finally ordering a video card with tv out
14:55<srl>Chutt: I don't think I'll be able to find cpus to put in my BP6 though :(
14:55<srl>Well, newer cpus
14:57<srl>Oh well
14:58<mechou>chutt, so are you saying curent cvs is pretty much .11? (since you _were_ going to do it tonight...)
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14:58<daralc>i can't download libcdaudio-devel rpm until the only place that has it comes back up
14:58<daralc>apparently down
15:01<daralc>what would cause this error with mythdvd...
15:01<daralc>titledialog.cpp: In member function `void TitleDialog::viewTitle()':
15:01<daralc>titledialog.cpp:427: `myth_system' undeclared (first use this function)
15:01<daralc>titledialog.cpp:427: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each
15:01<daralc> function it appears in.)
15:01<daralc>when compiling mythdvd
15:04<daralc>didn't see it on mailing list or in docs
15:06<daralc>atrpms is back up
15:06<Chutt>that means you don't have a recent enough checkout of mythtv
15:08<daralc>ouch, as in today ? i just checked out mythtv like yesterday
15:08<daralc>ok thanks though
15:08<Chutt>things change :p
15:08<daralc>i am just glad i got it working
15:10<daralc>where can i get the Visor theme?
15:11<billytwowilly>let me just clarify.. cvs is 0.11 but chutt can't do a release because he has company coming?
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15:13<billytwowilly>visor looks really nice.
15:14<srl>It is :)
15:15<billytwowilly>i'll try it out once I get 0.11.
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15:39<daralc>In file included from cddecoder.cpp:11:
15:39<daralc>cddecoder.h:8:28: cdda_interface.h: No such file or directory
15:39<daralc>cddecoder.h:9:27: cdda_paranoia.h: No such file or directory
15:40<daralc>what am i missing for mythmusic
15:40<daralc>i have cdparanoia and cdparanoia-devel
15:41<daralc>and libcdaudio and libcdaudio-devel
15:53<mdz_>how many times in the past 24 hours have you been told to read the documentation?
15:53<mdz_>there is a README file in each source tarball which explains what you need to build it
15:53<mdz_>and there are precompiled packages of everything for several distributions
15:55<daralc>i have everything the readme says
15:55<daralc>and its not under the mailing list or the docs
15:57<daralc>mdz_: if you help me out i promise its the last time
15:57<daralc>mdz_: i just can't figure out how to get it to make
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16:25<mikegrb>Chutt: you around?
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16:36<daralc>ok i have tried everything in the docs... and it is saying file not found for files that i see in /usr/include/cdda, and that is in the include path in
16:37<daralc>ok fuck
16:37<daralc>it was #INCLUDE PATH
16:37<daralc>not INCLUDE PATH
16:37<daralc>hard to notice that on a tv
16:38* bigguywashes daralc's mouth out
16:39<daralc>i have been trying for like 4 hours now
16:39<daralc>and that was all it was
16:47<daralc>ouch i stil have a problem
16:47<daralc>/usr/include/c++/3.2.2/bits/stl_alloc.h: In static member function `static
16:47<daralc> void* std::__default_alloc_template<__threads, __inst>::allocate(unsigned
16:47<daralc> int) [with bool __threads = true, int __inst = 0]':
16:47<daralc>/usr/include/c++/3.2.2/bits/stl_alloc.h:685: instantiated from `_Tp* std::allocator<_Alloc>::allocate(unsigned int, const void*) [with _Tp = char]'
16:50<daralc>Chutt: you here?
17:00<daralc>i can compile mythmusic .10 fine but .11 i get an error regarding static members and stuff
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17:12<hadees>is there any program that connects to zap2it movie listings?
17:12<hadees>libary not program
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17:20<monkeyBox>When I do mythfilldatabase I get this message: /root/.mythtv/CABLE.xmltv: format needs upgrading, re-run --configure .... what program do I need to run here?
17:21<alkern>monkeyBox: setup
17:21<monkeyBox>alkern: you mean the mythtv setup?
17:21<monkeyBox>so, ./setup --configure ?
17:21<alkern>just setup
17:21<monkeyBox>I just ran setup
17:21<alkern>reselect your zipcode
17:22<monkeyBox>I remember it froze for a long time after I picked my zipcode...
17:22<alkern>it reruns xmltv grabber config
17:22<alkern>that is because it is waiting for you to answer a question in the console
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17:22<alkern>probably some channels got added/removed
17:22<monkeyBox>oh... I see
17:23<monkeyBox>I can't switch to my terminal window though... Is there any way to tell setup to run on a different display?
17:24<alkern>DISPLAY=location setup
17:24<monkeyBox>oh ok.. thanks :)
17:24<alkern>might have to prepend an 'env' there, depending on your shell
17:25<monkeyBox>nope that worked :)
17:25<alkern>good ol' bash :)
17:26<monkeyBox>zap2it failed to give us a page: 500:Internal Server Error
17:26<alkern>that has been a recurring problem. there's a patch floating around on the list
17:27<monkeyBox>well, I did just get the latest CVS.. I'll check the lists...
17:27<alkern>it is a patch for xmltv
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17:29<tmk>i have 2 channel-lists, one for digital cable, and one for regular cable
17:29<tmk>digital cable is more or less a manual process right now
17:29<tmk>ie i switch the channel externally
17:30<tmk>but it seems that if i select a program, myth will schedule all possible occurances
17:30<tmk>is there anyway to prevent that?
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17:59<hadees>is there someone still working on mythradio?
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18:01<srl>Hmm, is it possible to have mythmusic not repeat a playlist by defualt? :)
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18:22<daralc>in the cvs version .11 does it support all-in-wonder cards video out and tuner or just one of them?
18:37<jkolb>Chutt: I recall you saying something about turning off mysql logging at one point in the past. Is that something that is done in myth or a configuration option in mysql?
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18:50<mechou>generally speaking, which commercial detection method takes the least cpu and is fastest to complete?
18:50<jkolb>Ah. Just don't set the log file in my.cnf.
18:52<drew>hey guys... i need a bit of help
18:54<mechou>can't help uless you ask you question,. We aren't clairvoyant :)
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18:54<jkolb>I knew you were going to say that. :p
18:54<drew>lol... ;-)
18:55<drew>i guess it is a common issue.. XMLTV... I get errors when i try to download tv listings
18:55<mechou>get the patch from mythtv mail list
18:55<mechou>get the patch from mythtv mail list
18:55<mechou>oops, lag...
18:56<drew>err... you got a link?
18:56<mechou>no, dont have it handy, u can get it from page thou
18:57<drew>thanks... so... i am looking for the XMLTV patch right?
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18:58<mechou>no, you're looking for mythtv mail list on, from which(mail list) you can get the xmltv patch
18:58<jkolb>Use the archives at instead
18:59<jkolb>The mailman archives suck egg.
18:59<mechou>now that's not nice. I think you man have hurt Snow-man's feelings...
19:00<jkolb>It's not his fault. mailman just sucks at archiving.
19:00<mechou>but jkolb is right about gossamer...
19:01<jkolb>Unless he wrote mailman, in which case I still say it sucks.
19:01<mechou>well, I agree w/you, jkolb, mailman does suck.
19:02<jkolb>I have yet to come arcoss someone with a dissenting opinion.
19:02<mechou>damn, u sound like a supreme court justice....
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19:03<jkolb>Naw, I'm just running for governor of California.
19:03<alkern>you and everyone else...and their dog
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19:04<mechou>jkolb, which state do you live in?
19:04<jkolb>I'd have to vote for Flynt if I lived in Cali.
19:04<alkern>it is a good thing you don't live in cali then :)
19:04<jkolb>I'm in (not so) sunny Florida.
19:04<jkolb>He'd balance the budget.
19:04<jkolb>No doubt about that.
19:05<mechou>actually, Flynt is a very serious First Amendment civil rights person...I'm not joking about this part at all....
19:05<hadees>anyone using usb-uirt with mythtv?
19:05<mechou>back on topic, eh?
19:06<jkolb>Bah. Only if someone answers.
19:07<hadees>okay well i am going to vote for Gary Coleman, he will be able to find out "what those politicians are talking about"
19:08<mechou>what u talkin' bout?
19:08<jkolb>Did he ever figure out what Willis was talking about? He asks a lot of questions, but I don't think he ever gets the answers.
19:08<hadees>any lets multitask, anyone using usb-uirt with mythtv?
19:08<mechou>hadees, nope, can't help u there...
19:09<jkolb>Sorry. I have a USB -> DualShock adapter that I'm going to set up with mame ... eventually ... maybe ... if I ever get off my lazy ass.
19:09<kwenda>does anyone get weird artifacts in the sound when capping at 31000 mp3?
19:10<kwenda>sounds like weird chirping birds every once in awhile
19:10<srl>jkolb: The PSX controller works really well in MAME and snes9x
19:10<mechou>yeah, I got one of those dualshock adapters too. Latency is high on that sucker...
19:10<srl>jkolb: Much better than the Gravis Gamepad Pro I used to use
19:11<mechou>press btn, wait half a second, response....
19:11<hadees>i wonder if anyone has been able to set up mythtv play games avaible from winex
19:11<srl>mechou: Is it that bad for you?
19:11<srl>I'm using an EMSUSB adapter
19:11<jkolb>It's actually a DualShock 2, if that makes any difference. My adapter is made by ... someone. There's a logo that looks like it may be ZMS.
19:12<mechou>well, I'm exagerating jus a tad....
19:12<jkolb>It's a DualShooter adapter.
19:12<srl>jkolb: The double adapter with the little yellow RCA cable coming out of it?
19:13<srl>At least I think it is an RCA cable
19:13<jkolb>Yeah, that's the one.
19:13<mechou>I got a second generation soyo Kiki-X psx adapter. Wouldn't recommend that one. Tried to find an EMS locally, but no luck....
19:13<srl>jkolb: Works for me
19:13<hadees>are there any emulators for linux for more recent game systems?
19:13<jkolb>I haven't plugged it in.
19:14<srl>Oh :)
19:14<jkolb>I lost all my mame roms a while back.
19:14<jkolb>I bought a 60G external drive, had it shipped to a friend in Boston who has the whole set, and he was supposed to send it down to me like three months ago.
19:15<mechou>some friend...
19:16<jkolb>Ehn. It'll get here eventually. Thing is, I had completely forgotten about it, and a mutual friend went up there to visit. I should have had him bring it back. Thought of that when I saw him after his trip.
19:16<jkolb>Well, to visit and interview.
19:17<srl>Somebody should make mythgame have a way to organize snes roms
19:17<srl>And I don't know QT
19:17* srlruns
19:17<jkolb>And don't you come back, neither, or I'll get my gun!
19:19<srl>It takes a really long time to find a game if you have too many roms
19:20<jkolb>If it had a directory tree mode like music, you could do the sorting yourself.
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19:25<srl>jkolb: Right :)
19:26<jkolb>So, get to the c&p'in
19:29<drew>God! I am looking for the XMLTV patch in the mail archives and can't find it
19:30<jkolb>Searching both lists?
19:30<mechou>anybody here have a motorola surfboard (5100) cable modem?
19:30<drew>i see lots of people referring to it.. but can't find that thing
19:30<drew>yes.. lots of discussion about it but no file to download
19:31<mechou>no, its attached to the 3rd or 4th post. Look again.
19:32<mechou>on that thread...
19:32<drew>what i am seeing is.. i need to find the patch.. then the next is ok got it and doing blal bla bla
19:32<drew>i suck
19:33<mechou>sheesh, some poeple...
19:33<jkolb>mechou: Go fish. Do you have a SpeedStream 5861 DSL router?
19:34<drew>that is what i have been using
19:35<jkolb>You already applied that patch?
19:35<mechou>I doubt that...
19:36<mechou>first he says he can't find the patch and he now says he applied it already?
19:36<drew>hold on a sec.. all i got when using at link was the basic search page
19:36<jkolb>That should have gone straight to the patch.
19:37<jkolb>Hm. It appears that I'm failing to download listings as well. I suppose I should do something about that.
19:37<drew>ok.. got it...
19:37<mechou>works for me...
19:37<jkolb>I just looked a week out, and I only have the PPV info.
19:37<drew>ok... now for the instructions
19:38<drew>thanks very much!
19:38<jkolb>Nevermind. I'm just getting an extra day of PPV listings.
19:38<jkolb>I should change that.
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19:45<drew>ok now that i have the patch... .i need the instructions.. please help
19:46<jkolb>The instructions?
19:46<drew>on how to patch
19:46<tmk>cat patch.txt | patch -p#
19:46<tmk>where # is the # of dirs to strip out of the patch
19:46<tmk>run that from within the mythtv src dir
19:47<tmk>i think # should be 1 or 2
19:47<sfr>tmk useless use of cat ;) patch -p# < patch.txt
19:48<jkolb>It's not a patch against myth
19:48<drew>guys... i am a newbie this is all greek to me
19:48<sfr>jkolb but ?
19:48<jkolb>Bring up a shell and run 'locate'
19:49<jkolb>It's against xmltv
19:50<drew>ok.. brought up a shell
19:50<tmk>oh yeah
19:50<drew>ran locate
19:50<tmk>drew: cd to your xmltv dir
19:50<drew>and it returned nothing
19:50<tmk>where is your xmltv source located
19:51<tmk>drew: try running updatedb before locate
19:51<tmk>(it will take a while to run updatedb)
19:51<jkolb>You can also do 'find / -name 2> /dev/null'
19:51<jkolb>Uh, you are in a bash shell, right? Not tcsh?
19:51<tmk>yeah, but updatedb saves the dir listing for next time
19:52<jkolb>Yeah, yeah.
19:52<jkolb>You get much more searching power with find.
19:52<drew>a bash shell is denoted by the hash mark right
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19:53<drew>cuz i logged in as root now
19:53<jkolb>Hash mark means root
19:53<michal>I know it's a stupid place to ask.. but has anyone here used vdr?
19:53<jkolb>echo $SHELL
19:54<drew>i get /bin/bash
19:54<jkolb>Unless you changed your shell, it should be bash.
19:54<jkolb>That find command will run properly then.
19:54<tmk>have you located your xmltv source?
19:54<jkolb>I hate that tcsh can't redirect stderr only.
19:55<drew>my search window is still running
19:55<jkolb>Did you run updatedb or find?
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19:56<drew>ok.. i says that is in the usr/lib/per5/site_perl/5.8.0/xmltv/ directory
19:56<jkolb>cd to that dir
19:57<jkolb>patch -p3 < [where you saved it]/zap2it-0.5.15.patch
19:58<michal>grr.. i'm beggining to hate my shuttle xpc
19:58<kja>michal: tested briefly a long time a go, only using myth now!
19:58<jkolb>What is vdr?
19:58<michal>kja: does that mean you used dvb?
19:58<sfr>kja how does it compare ?
19:58<kja>to what?
19:59<michal>kja: do you use dvb with mythtv ?
19:59<sfr>kja mythtv of course
19:59<kja>yes, with nexus-s with ci
19:59<kja>it crashes sometimes, but it's getting better
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20:00<michal>kja: aha!! first person i've ever come across that uses dvb with mythtv! i want to set it up with a dvb-t budget card
20:00<michal>kja: where did you find the information on how to set it up?
20:00<kja>i read the source
20:01<michal>hmm.. i can count myself out then :\ i don't have that sort of time available this year :(
20:01<kja>and search for dvb (last month or so), should give some good hints
20:01<kja>feel free to post to mythtv-users if you get into trouble
20:02<michal>i wish there was a step by step guide to get it running quickly.. i'm sure they'd get more widespread testing that way
20:02<michal>now that final drivers are out at least everyone can focus on those
20:03<kja>yea, my card is rock stable...very nice work
20:03<michal>kja: how do you output your video?
20:03<kja>i think someone named ramon has posted some docs somewhere on the lists, go search
20:03<michal>yea: do you also get a 20 second 100% cpu usage spike when you load the frontend firmware?
20:04<kja>20 seconds was a bit to much, but yes
20:04<kja>video goes to mpeg2 - then transcoding
20:05<michal>do you know of any way to make mythtv output via em8300 ?
20:06<kja>em8300? mpeg2 chip?
20:06<michal>yes.. essentially dxr3
20:06<kja>you would have to write a videoout plugin, the abstraction is there, so go ahead :)
20:07<michal>don't suppose there is a xine videoout plugin already? :P that can do dxr3 no problems
20:07<michal>also.. have you dealt with lirc?
20:07<kja>think someone is working on a framebuffer driver though, not sure if that is going to work with that chip
20:08<kja>nope, no lirc, the linuxdvb driver emulates keyboard events itself
20:08<kja>for full cards only
20:08<michal>say what?!
20:08<michal>lirc has given me a lot of trouble..
20:09<michal>winirc has no problems though :\
20:09<michal>winlirc that is
20:09<kja>i have not tested it much, so i can't really help you on that
20:10<kja>i assume you have read the docs? which hardware? homebuilt?
20:10<michal>i wish i could use vdr temporarily while mythtv was worked on.. but it doesn't provide any way to have the dvb card on one computer and the dxr3 in another.. and that's the situation i;m stuck with
20:11<michal>meanwhile mythtv has alpha dvb support and no dxr3 support but can be split among 2 machines :\
20:11<michal>kja: realmagic remote.. it's a pixelview driver i think.. lirc-serial module
20:11<kja>I get best results if i let the backend record my shows before i watch them (less chance of breakage that way)
20:12<kja>most of the problems are in livetv at the moment
20:12<michal>bbs.. someone at the door
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20:14<kja>k, what was that about your shuttle? i have one myself, working very well here...
20:19<michal>well it only has 1 pci slot
20:19<michal>therefore it's useless as a pvr to me :\
20:20<michal>i need at LEAST 2 pci slots
20:20<kja>what's the second carD?
20:20<michal>this was the exact opposite of what i wanted when i originally bought it.. back then i needed an agp slot :P
20:21<michal>dvb card + dxr3
20:21<kja>Thing there's some reading here:
20:22<kja>ok, i'm using the nvidia nforce onboard videoout for display
20:22<michal>i could use nvidia for videoout but it looks shit compared to the dxr3
20:22<michal>the dxr3 does a REALLY good job of displaying mpeg2
20:23<kja>hmm, might move my nexus-s to my server and get one then :)
20:23<michal>have you tried using xine with your dvb card? i can't get it to talk to the frontend for some reason with the builtin dvb support
20:24<kja>no, sorry, got the card only three months ago (had lots of problems getting it to work with mplayer even)
20:24<kja>got that fixed, and found myth about 2 months ago....
20:24<michal>how much playing around have you done with your dvb card? i find myself basically dumping ts files manually and then watching them with xine.. and i need to move the keyboard and mouse to the machine every time i want to watch something
20:25<michal>mplayer is weird.. it's supposed to be able to handle TS but it onlty seems able to handle PS/PES
20:25<kja>well, have it set up with remote, so as long as i remeber to choose what it should record... :)
20:25<michal>plus it doesn't scale correctly when outputing to the dxr3
20:26<michal>it insists on trying to do 1024 width which the dxr3 can't do AFAIK
20:26<kja>cvs back then did ts pretty well
20:26<michal>it just dies on TS now.. don't know why
20:26<kja>nvidia onboard does it
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20:26<michal>Version: 1:0.90-0.8
20:27<michal>i use debian unstable
20:27<michal>with some extra apt.sources
20:27<kja>hmmm, been some time since i've tried, since i've pretty much been working on getting myth going
20:29<kja>well, it's getting pretty late here (2:30am), so, sorry, but it's time for me to get some sleeptime...
20:30<kja>be sure to browse through the myth howto ( avoids many pitfalls
20:30<michal>ok.. thanks.. but it mentions no dvb :\
20:30<michal>the problem is the initial configuration for me
20:30<kja>also the two other links i posted, should get you very far
20:31<kja>I think there is a doc in MythChannels which covers some of the setup
20:31<michal>ok.. thanks for the help
20:31<kja>since you got your card working, the only real problem is channels, which the prog should take care of
20:32<hyper_>whenever i run "mythfilldatabase" i get this error , right after Start Xmltv output, parameterless "use IO" deprecated at
20:32<michal>kja: well NONE of the mythtv-setup works with dvb as far as i can tell :P
20:32<kja>mythchannels does it :)
20:33<kja>for now, will get into setup eventually
20:33<michal>hmm.. how to patch it.. i guess i apt-get source mythtv and then patch that
20:33<kja>if your going to use dvb, go with cvs
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20:34<michal>but then this patch might not apply
20:34<michal>it's for 0.10 isn't it?
20:34<michal>and .11 is due out sometime VERY soon
20:34<kja>the patch is against cvs, but might have some faults
20:35<kja>yea, .11 is out in a few days, but the newest fixes is always in cvs
20:35<michal>so are the latest bugs :)
20:36<kja>we don't commit bugs to cvs ;)
20:36<hyper_>i have the latest version of xml-tv , but mythfilldatabase still gives perl errors ;/
20:37<kja>hyper: to fresh xmltv? or to old perl?
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20:37<kja>mine also gives the IO stuff, but it works....
20:37<hyper_>i did a apt-get on mythtv
20:37<hyper_>thats what installed my xml-tv
20:38<hyper_>you get all that io stuff
20:38<kja>one at startup (tv_grab_sn)
20:39<hyper_>i have latest perl to ;/
20:39<kja>yea, i've read through it, but it only covers normal dvb setup for now :(
20:39<michal>normal as opposed to?
20:39<kja>no myth setup
20:40<michal>heh.. deceiving name then.. mythdvb
20:40<kja>yea: v0.1 :)
20:41<michal>i prefer dvbrecord to dvbstream.. somehow it always seems to guess the correct audio and video streams to extract :\ unlike dvbstream
20:41<kja>subscribe to the lists (, and i'll help you with it, got to go to sleep now... :)
20:42<michal>ok.. thansk a lot for your help.. goodnight
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20:46<hyperm>is there anything i need to install for perl to "Use IO"
20:46<hyperm>cause thats the line perls barfing on
20:48<bline>perl has had the IO module standard for a very long time.
20:48<bline>and I hope you meant 'use IO;'
20:49<hyperm>i see it says parameterless "use IO" deprecated, my bad
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20:54<hyperm>now i got that resolved, i get zap2it failed to give us a page: 500:Internal Server Error
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21:00<tmk>hyperrm: did you patch your xmltv
21:00<tmk>it's broken otherwise
21:01<hyperm>how do i patch it
21:02<jkolb>I feel deja vu in the air.
21:04<hyperm>:( ?
21:04<jkolb>We just went over this. Hold on a sec.
21:05<tmk>msg it to him
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21:11<hyperm>is there a normal url i can go to to get updates to that file in the future?
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21:12<mattfelsen>which file?
21:12<mattfelsen>has anyone gotten lirc working from either debs or source?
21:12<hyperm>they gave me a patch for zap2it
21:12<mattfelsen>ah, that one. i
21:12<hyperm>hrmm tv_grab_na still isnt creating my /root/.mythtv/main.xmltv for mythfilldatabase ;/
21:12<mattfelsen>i don't think there will be any updates to it
21:13<mattfelsen>are you talking about the patch for
21:13<hyperm>i was talking about updates to that
21:13<hyperm>cause i couldnt get listings
21:13<hyperm>now i can but mythfilldatabase is still complaing it cant find my config file
21:14<hyperm>:O( no luck for me too
21:14<mattfelsen>well that patch doesn't really affect mythfilldatabase...if it's not working, it's likely due to bigger problems
21:14<drew>i just had that exact problem hypem
21:14<mattfelsen>it worked fine for me
21:15<drew>i fixed it by reconfiguring my listings
21:15<drew>then running the listing update
21:15<hyperm>drew you run mythsetup? to do that
21:16<drew>then run ...fill...
21:17<drew>got the listings... but i can't view the show.. i am getting the error... QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket
21:17<drew>Failed to bind port: 6543
21:17<drew>so i think my video configurtaion needs some work
21:18<mattfelsen>that's the mysql db port
21:18<mattfelsen>why would that have anything to do with your video config?
21:18<drew>cuz... i am a newbie idiot...
21:18<hyperm>woot its working thx to that zap2it patch
21:19<drew>very cool....
21:19<mattfelsen>hyperm glad to hear it
21:19<mattfelsen>drew did you install mysql?
21:19<drew>so mattlelsen any ideas?
21:19<drew>well.. ran into a bit of an issue with it
21:20<mattfelsen>so then it's not installed?
21:20<mattfelsen>what do you mean "it failed on connecting to a directory"
21:21<drew>hmmm no that was another problem
21:22<drew>i do believe i have mysql running proper
21:22<drew>any way for me to verify?
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21:22<mattfelsen>what distro?
21:22<mattfelsen>just type mysql
21:23<drew>denied access
21:23<mattfelsen>ok, so it's running
21:24<drew>ok cool so that isn't the prob right
21:24<mattfelsen>well, it looks like mysql is running
21:24<mattfelsen>when do you get the error that says it can't bind to port 6543
21:26<mattfelsen>um..what? read what i said again, carefully this time
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21:26<drew>failed to bind or listen to the socket
21:26<drew>Failed to bind port: 6543
21:27<mattfelsen>yea, what gives you that error?
21:27<drew>that is from mythbackend.log
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21:28<mattfelsen>doesn't give a reason for being unable to bind, but i'm going to guess it's a password thing
21:28<mattfelsen>did you set a root password for mysql?
21:29<mattfelsen>you didn't need to share it, but ok
21:29<mattfelsen>did you tell myth to use that password when connecting to mysql?
21:29<drew>doesn't matter
21:29<drew>i am going to change it anyhow
21:30<drew>in my next complete rebuild
21:31<drew>how do i do that?
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21:31<mattfelsen>i think it's in mysql.txt
21:31<mattfelsen>or mysql-settings.txt
21:31<mattfelsen>or something like that
21:32<drew>ok looking now
21:32<mattfelsen>iirc, i think the mysql hostname, username, password and database name are the only configuration params that are stored in a text file
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21:32<mattfelsen>everything else is stored in the mysql db
21:35<drew>found it..
21:35<mattfelsen>gah, lirc is hell
21:35<drew>should i open it with a text editor?
21:36<mattfelsen>that'd be the easiest way to edit it
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21:38<hyperm>anyone familiar with lirc, when i run it tells me i need to install dialog
21:38<hyperm>not sure what program it wants
21:38<drew>am i looking for a specific key word in all this gobbledy gook
21:38<mattfelsen>hyperm: it's called dialog
21:38<hyperm>HEHE i guess i can do apt-get
21:38<hyperm>odd name
21:39<hyperm>i feel silly now
21:39<mattfelsen>drew: it should be fairly understandable
21:39<mattfelsen>DBHostName is the hostname of the machine mysql is running on
21:40<mattfelsen>if you're doing the backend and frontend on the same machine, then it'd be localhost
21:43<hyperm>lirc wants my kernel sources, im running redhat can i just grab and run some rpm to get them , cause i wouldnt know where to put them ;/
21:46<mattfelsen>lirc is annoying
21:46<hyperm>recompiling the kernel is never fun ;(
21:46<mattfelsen>i don't know about rh, but debian has some kernel-headers packages (ie, kernel-headers-2.4.20-3)
21:47<mattfelsen>but lirc needs the Rules.make file which is generated after doing a make menuconfig or make xconfigu
21:47<drew>nope.. wrong file
21:47<mattfelsen>drew: are you looking at mysql.txt?
21:47<mattfelsen>hyperm: so installing the kernel-headers didn't get lirc to compile
21:48<mattfelsen>so i tried installing the kernel-source package, running make menuconfig, exiting, and compiling lirc again
21:48<mattfelsen>still no go
21:48<hyperm>mattfelsen: :(
21:48<mattfelsen>i THINK it's because the current kernel doesn't match the one configured in the source tree
21:48<mattfelsen>that's the closest thing i see in the docs
21:48<hyperm>mattfelsen: i hate when that happens
21:49<mattfelsen>so aside from compiling my own kernel, i don't know how to get lirc working
21:49<drew>no.. a file called mysql
21:49<drew>found it
21:50<drew>and you were right
21:50<drew>very easy to read
21:50<drew>now can any user account work?
21:51<mattfelsen>no no, it's not a user account on the box itself
21:51<mattfelsen>it's the mysql user accounts
21:51<mattfelsen>just use root :-\
21:51<mattfelsen>by default, mysql only has the root user with a blank password
21:51<mattfelsen>and i think that's what myth defaults to log in with
21:51<drew>gotcha.. it is currently set for mythuser
21:54<mattfelsen>so change it to whatever is necessary and (re)start mythbackend
21:57<hyperm>how do i see what kernel version i have?
21:57<mikegrb>uname -a
21:57<hyperm>ah thx
21:58<hyperm>argg mine isnt different then the srpm at ;/
21:59<drew>ok.. no errors running WatchingLiveTV
21:59<drew>err but no picture
22:02<mattfelsen>uname -r, actually
22:03<mattfelsen>you can do cool stuff like... apt-get install alsa-modules-`uname -r`
22:03<mattfelsen>drew: did you set the buffer dir? does it exist? is it read- and writeable by whatever user mythbackend is running as?
22:07<drew>i believe so
22:07<drew>i am running it as root right now
22:08<mattfelsen>no errors from mythbackend?
22:09<mattfelsen>i know when i first started, i had the buffer dir for live tv set to /home/mythtv/buffer, but the actual dir didn't exist
22:09<mattfelsen>and i was getting a black screen
22:12<drew>let me look
22:13<drew>it isn't there
22:14<hyperm>im getting the black screen also
22:15<hyperm>but i have the right buffer directory ;/
22:21<mattfelsen>check permissions/
22:21<mattfelsen>if not, check the mailing list
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23:07<Timon>Anyone in here have an LCD display hooked up to myth?
23:08<drew>failed to bind or listen to the socket
23:08<drew>Failed to bind port: 6543
23:08<drew>any ideas on how to fix the above error?
23:08<drew>when running mythbackend
23:10<bline>yeah, find out what it listening on that socket
23:10<bline>probably another mythbackend process
23:11<drew>you were rright
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23:17<mattfelsen>ok, so i've got tv, music, and weather working
23:17<mattfelsen>video is installed, but i need to get mplayer installed to test
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23:17<mattfelsen>oh, has anyone got the synaethesia (sp?) visualizations working?
23:18<mattfelsen>i isntalled the package for it, but it's still blank whenever myth uses it
23:18<radixvir>can someone help me setup my aitech wavewatcher card? bttv says no such device
23:19<drew>matt when i view the tv it is all black any ideas?
23:19<mattfelsen>uh make sure the live tv buffer dir exists and is readable and writeable
23:19<mattfelsen>make sure the tv tuner device is readable and set up properly
23:19<drew>hold a sec
23:20<mattfelsen>have you tested it with xawtv?
23:20<radixvir>there is no /dev/video
23:20<radixvir>so it wont run
23:20<mattfelsen>radixvir: sorry, i was talking to drew. don't know how to help you :-\
23:20<radixvir>but the card is recongizing i can see it under the device manager
23:20<radixvir>oh ok
23:21<mattfelsen>my avertv studio worked otb, so i don't have any experience with bttv really
23:22<drew>if i change the directory for the buffers will i need to restart mythbackend?
23:23<mattfelsen>probably. and if not, it wouldn't hurt anyway
23:23<drew>and how do you stop mythtvbackend?
23:25<mattfelsen>killall -HUP mytbackend
23:25<mattfelsen>is what i use
23:25<kwenda>whats the most latency you'd want on the link between frontend and backend?
23:26<kwenda>im thinking of leaving my backend at work and cancelling my cable at home
23:26<hyperm>when i run mythtvfrontend and then goto tv shouldnt i get some way of changing channels
23:26<kwenda>running my frontend at home and watching tv that way
23:27<mattfelsen>i think it's more of a concert of bandwith rather than latency
23:27<kwenda>bandwidth won't be a problem
23:27<kwenda>i've got scads of it to spare
23:28<mattfelsen>what kind of connection do you have from your home to the office?
23:28<kwenda>and i work at an ISP that has 620 mbits/sec of it
23:28<kwenda>i have dsl at home... 6mbit/768
23:29<mattfelsen>i really don't know how to answer your question
23:29<mattfelsen>best thing would be to try it out
23:29<mattfelsen>hyperm: use the numbers on your keyboard
23:30<kwenda>theroetically, i could let other people use it as well, as long as i grant their IP access via nfs and mysql
23:30<hyperm>matt: i cant get any channels to show in myth , but i can in other tv programs ;/ , but even if it cant display channels i would expect the channel select stuff to come up
23:31<mikegrb>hyperm: try hitting m to bring up the guide and see if it has any channels listed
23:31<mikegrb>hyperm: the channel numbers in myth aren't necessary the same as the channels you tune to
23:32<mikegrb>that is why if there are no channels in the database, you won't be able to change channels
23:32<hyperm>mike : just black
23:32<hyperm>mike: when i hit m nothing happens
23:32<hyperm>just a black screen
23:32<mikegrb>and you are in live tv and have a picture?
23:33<mattfelsen>oh hey, synaethesia does work...but it's kind of choppy
23:33<mikegrb>before hitting m that is?
23:33<hyperm>im in live tv and i see nothing but a black screen
23:33<hyperm>and nothing i hit shows anything\
23:33<hyperm>i end up having to kill the process
23:33<hyperm>to get out
23:33<mikegrb>exit mythtv and see if you have errors on the terminal
23:33<kwenda>64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=9.53 ms
23:34<kwenda>i think that will be fast enough regardless =)
23:34<mattfelsen>nice vhost
23:34<hyperm>strange error flushing buffer
23:34<kwenda>thats the machine im going to make my remote backend
23:34<Timon>dude, gotta love the domain name :-)
23:34<mikegrb>hyperm: that was on the frontend or the backend?
23:34<mattfelsen>with rdns :)
23:34<hyperm>mike: backend
23:35<kwenda>i WANT
23:35<mikegrb>hyperm: you need to check the frontend
23:35<hyperm>mike: frontend only gives an error about cant access audio
23:35<hyperm>mike: nothing beyond that
23:35<kwenda>but some jackass is hanging onto it... i want to call my machine
23:35<mikegrb>that is the problem
23:35<hyperm>can i disable that for the moment to see if the rest is working
23:36<mikegrb>hyperm: you can't basically, with out audio you can't go further
23:36<hyperm>mike so it wont even display a picture without audio
23:37<mattfelsen>kwenda one of my friends who does some telecom/isp/colo stuff has a bunch of humorous domains :)
23:38<kwenda>i used to have but i gave it away
23:38<hyperm>argg KDE sound server bs
23:38<mattfelsen>hyperm: it's probably a good idea to run mythfilldatabase, too :)
23:38<mattfelsen>that'll fill up your database with all your channels and programming info, so you can hit m and get the program guide
23:39<mattfelsen>is anyoen using a remote with myth?
23:39<kwenda>a remote control?
23:39<drew>hey what would be a good command line to run mythbackend from the command line so that i get a prompt after?
23:39<kwenda>i am
23:39* mikegrbis
23:39<mattfelsen>and you mapped the guide button to m?
23:39<mikegrb>drew: ??
23:39<kwenda>sure did
23:40<mattfelsen>so when you want to change to a certain channel, you press the guide button again?
23:40<kwenda>i wish enter did the same thing in that particular context
23:40<mattfelsen>...that seems kind of odd to me
23:40<kwenda>but i understand why it does it the way that it does
23:40<mattfelsen>but instead it brigns up the the recording stuff
23:40<mattfelsen>perhaps you could enlighten me?
23:41<mattfelsen>drew: you mean launching mythbackend into the background?
23:41<drew>i when i run mythbackend i dont' get a prompt
23:41<kwenda>in every other myth menu if you see a show and you select it, it asks if you'd like to record it
23:41<drew>yes in background
23:41<mattfelsen>mythbackend &
23:42<mattfelsen>so consistency?
23:42<kwenda>id imagine the keymappings are modularized, so that the code doesnt have to be duplicated too
23:42<mattfelsen>but i think context-specific functions would be better...why would you want to record something that's live?
23:43<kwenda>youre always recording - even live
23:43<mattfelsen>you know what i mean
23:43<mattfelsen>i think if you hit ok for a channel that's playing *now*, it should tune to it...if it's playing in the future (say it's 5:45 and the selected show starts at 6), then it should ask to record
23:43<kwenda>yeah... its more intutitive that way, yes
23:43<kwenda>it'd not be hard to patch that either
23:44<mattfelsen>hmmm...maybe i'll take a look at the code tomorrow
23:44<hyperm>what does it mean when backend can set the audio volume
23:44<hyperm>does it mean i can access the audio device
23:44<drew>ok i run mythbackend & and it sill doesn't give me a command prompt
23:45<mattfelsen>press enter
23:45<drew>just hangs there
23:45<kwenda>HOLY FREAKING BAD@$$
23:45<kwenda>heh sorry
23:46<drew>ERROR opening file '/home/drew/buffers/ringbuf1.nuv' in ThreadedFileWriter
23:46<kwenda>i got TV-Out working on an ATI Mach64 LT Mobility Rage
23:46<drew>is the error i get when trying to watch tv
23:46<drew>from the mythfrontend prog
23:46<kwenda>on a craptastic little p2-200 laptop... another frontend for me
23:47<mattfelsen>drew: is that dir read- and writeable by the user that mythbackend is running as?
23:47<mattfelsen>heh, coolio
23:47<mattfelsen>mobile tv, eh?
23:48<kwenda>nope, just going to set my tv on top of the thing
23:48<mikegrb>kwenda: I have a similiar video card in a k6 850mgz laptop. xvideo was a biatch
23:48<drew>oh fuck
23:48<drew>ok hold on
23:48<kwenda>yeah mikegrb, it really really was
23:48<kwenda>ive been working on this for a week now
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23:48<mikegrb>kwenda: under gentoo that is, under redhat it just worked including tv-out with the function key on the kbd
23:49<mikegrb>kwenda: I was very happy when I finally got it working
23:49<mattfelsen>well, mobile tv doesn't sound like a bad idea anyway...i wonder if mythtv will compile on os x :-D
23:49<hyperm>mike i disabled kdes sound and it still cant connect on the frontend ;/
23:49<kwenda>lol are you kidding? i had to rebuild the kernel several times and X several more
23:49<kwenda>i run LFS on all 3 of my frontends... redhat on my backend/frontend, and slackware on my router/firewall
23:49<mikegrb>kwenda: yes gentoo was that way, and a million and a half attempts with the x config file
23:50<mikegrb>hyperm: you might try ps aux | grep arts to see if it is running
23:51<mikegrb>also fuser -v /dev/dsp (or what ever your sound device is) to see what is using it
23:51<hyperm>i tried that
23:51<hyperm>it was attached to it
23:51<hyperm>and i did a killall artsd
23:51<hyperm>its not running now
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23:52<mikegrb>did you double check the sound device in the frontend setup?
23:52<hyperm>audio output /dev/dsp
23:53<hyperm>so its fine
23:54<mikegrb>are you getting the same error message as before or something different now?
23:56<hyperm>cant open oss audio device
23:56<mikegrb>can you do 'ls -l /dev/dsp*'
23:56<hyperm>running mythfrontend from root
23:57<hyperm>crw , root
23:57<mattfelsen>i just did a `sudo chdmos o+rw /dev/video* /dev/vbi* /dev/dsp* /dev/mixer* /dev/ttyS*` and things work :)
23:57<mattfelsen>of course, i typed chmod, not chmos
23:58<mattfelsen>or even chdmos
23:58<kwenda>you guys might like this:
23:58<mattfelsen>typig was never my specialty
23:58<kwenda>the blue line is my CPU usage, green is free diskspace
23:58<kwenda>on my backend
23:58<mattfelsen>i see no green'
23:58<mattfelsen>how big is the hd?
23:59<mikegrb>I see nothing
23:59<kwenda>i've got 40gb partitioned for storage
23:59<mikegrb>how big is the bandwidth ;)
23:59<kwenda>you guys really can't see it?