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00:01<jboyens>bigguy: Hmmm okay. I sit at about 27% processor usage when recording, so I doubt it is that.
00:01<bigguy>what have you done to trouble shoot?
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00:02<bigguy>lo Timon
00:02<Timon>hey bigguy
00:02<jboyens>Tried recording with different programs, tried recording different channels. Which seemed to fix it. I've just had 4 or 5 recordings come out unwatchable
00:02<Timon>I take it chutt isn't here/cvs is down because of the power outage?
00:02<bigguy>Timon: I dunno
00:03<Timon>I know he lives in Chigago, which is affected by the blackout.
00:03<bigguy>no he live in ohio I'm pretty sure
00:03<jkolb>I think he's in Cleveland.
00:04<Timon>Ok, cleveland.
00:04<bigguy>he went offline at 15:28 CST with a read error
00:04<Timon>Which is affected by the power outage :-)
00:04<Timon>bigguy: That sounds like about the time of the outage
00:04<bigguy>a little after 4 EST
00:06<Timon>Another reason I'm glad I don't live in the lower 48
00:09<bigguy>I've not had any problems here
00:11<Timon>where is here?
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00:59<mikegrb>greetings bbeattie
00:59<bbeattie>Hmm, Chutt must be in the blackout area?
00:59<bbeattie>mikegrb: 'lo
00:59<Timon>bbeattie: Yeah, cleveland
01:00<bbeattie>I'm in the midwest and we had no power for 5 hours, completely different grid, but they don't know why we lost it yet either.
01:01<Timon>bbeattie: Isn't the midwest tied into the east grid? According to an article on msnbc the midwest grid begins at montana. . .
01:01<bbeattie>timon, you may know.. If I have a HDTV mpeg2-ts stream video clip, does mythtv support being able to switch between subchannels, or is this a libavcodec issue, or other?
01:02<bbeattie>I'm in Utah, west of Montana.
01:02<bbeattie>the entire SLC valley lost power, 1.2Mil people
01:02<bigguy>Utah? My condolences
01:02<bbeattie>I'm trying to get out.
01:03<bbeattie>.. It's not bad.. I can't stand large cities, and Utah is a little more "friendly" than large cities...
01:03<Timon>bbeattie: I don't have a clue. We don't even have hdtv up here (Alaska). Though I think the dvb stuff has support for subchannels. Don't know if the dvb stuff is anywhere close to hdtv
01:03<bigguy>ok well I'm off to bed
01:03<bbeattie>who's the dvb expert, here or on maillist?
01:04<Timon>mailing list. You on the -dev list?
01:04<bbeattie>does the person ever stop by irc?
01:06<bbeattie>subchannels on hdtv are all included when you record the single station. It's a player issue of selecting the subchannel. dvb may be different, but I'm not sure?
01:07<Timon>no clue, dvb as I understand it is Europe. I'm in Alaska (Which is in the US for the less educated)
01:08<bbeattie>is there any relation to DVB and digital TV cable tuners? I have crossed wires, but I thought DVB was Digital Cable tuner cards for computers
01:09<mikegrb>in europe I believe dvb can be over the air, cable or sat
01:09<Timon>Dunno, we don't even have HDTV up here.
01:09<mikegrb>though I may be totally off base
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01:14<kwenda>im gonna ask a question here
01:14<kwenda>the answers may NOT be
01:14<kwenda>"a keyboard"
01:15<kwenda>or "VNC"
01:15<kwenda>here goes:
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01:15<tmk>oh.. too soon
01:15<kwenda>how can i send keystrokes to an X session when not logged on at the console to that particular X session
01:15<kwenda>say, via ssh from a remote location
01:15<mikegrb>/wireless/ keyboard?
01:16<mikegrb>kwenda: lemme find the name of a program I'm using that might help you out, just a sec
01:16<kwenda>thanks mike
01:16<kwenda>i built a frontend that i dont want to have to touch, and i don't have the time to build an IR reciever until next month
01:17<kwenda>i'd like to log into it and send the keystrokes via ssh or something similar
01:17<Timon>kwenda: buy one. get a packbell reciever
01:17<mikegrb>can do mouse stuff to
01:17<kwenda>big metal hoopajoo?
01:18<mikegrb>I duno just grabbed the URL from the help output
01:19<kwenda>big metal hoopajoo is a quote from southpark
01:19<Timon>beef cake; beef cake
01:20<mikegrb>kwenda: it is part of the xautomation project at the bottom of the projects page
01:20<phar0e>what video card does everyone recommend? the gf2 w/ tv out?
01:21<phar0e>the best card for the buck..
01:21<FryGuy>that's what I use.. i got mine on ebay for $30
01:21<FryGuy>but i had to get a svideo->rca converter for $20
01:21<FryGuy>i thought they were like $5 though
01:21<kwenda>yeah im building it now mike
01:21<mikegrb>that would probably be fine, I went with a gf4 mmx 440 or something like that but that is all I could get locally
01:21<kwenda>looks like it might do what i want
01:21<FryGuy>i think newegg has one for $35 with RCA-out
01:22<FryGuy>i heard the quality is better on the GF2 than the GF4
01:22<FryGuy>i could be wrong though
01:22<mikegrb>nvidia is prob the best card for linux <g>
01:22<FryGuy>has anyone made the homebrew receiver?
01:22<FryGuy>my dad made me one, but it does nothing
01:23<mikegrb>FryGuy: I dunno looks fine for me, plan on making some sort of convertor to run from vga-> dvi or component but will probably get a new card w/ dvi output
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01:24<kwenda>mike, thats awesome
01:24<kwenda>it doesnt read the keystrokes directly
01:24<kwenda>but it works just fine for the temporary purposes
01:24<kwenda>thanks a million
01:24<phar0e>mikegrb, you got a PVR-250? 350?
01:25<mikegrb>keturn: :-) depending on your skill you could probably whip up something with curses and perl or c as a frontend for it
01:25<mechou>hey bbeattie, you got anybody willing to give some help on HD?
01:25<kwenda>i started already actually, mikegrb
01:26<mikegrb>phar0e: I'm using a cheap :-)
01:26<phar0e>same here
01:26<phar0e>I want to find out if the purchase would be worth it or not
01:26<mikegrb>phar0e: I'm using a cheap ati tv-wonder ve
01:26<mikegrb>it seems to me like it is
01:26<phar0e>do you know it well enough to explain?
01:26<mikegrb>I'm planning on picking one up when I have to go from ntsc-> pal in a month or so
01:26<mikegrb>not particularly
01:27<phar0e>so say my PVR-250 was set to record.. and it was recording a show from now until 30 minutes from now..
01:27<phar0e>would it be using virtuall 0% CPU?
01:27<tmk>is the file growing?
01:27<mikegrb>right, seems like it would be < 3-4%
01:28<tmk>i wrote the pvr250/350 driver
01:28<mikegrb>kwenda: that :-) up there was to you <g> looked away and forgot I was in the middle of typing something to phar0e
01:28<phar0e>nice tmk
01:28<mikegrb>heh I knew you hung out in here forgot what your nick was
01:29<mikegrb>I really need to keep notes on who people are <g>
01:29<phar0e>I don't know, I have to think about it.. I want to get more hardcore into MythTV and become a pro with it..
01:29<mechou>I don't get it, why are you folks so concerned about cpu, are you guys doing something else while recording, frame drops, etc.?
01:29<mikegrb>phar0e: you might search the users lists for the freestyle
01:29<kwenda>i was wondering why my name changed
01:29<phar0e>I heard that the freestyle does not come with a remote control?
01:30<tmk>i don't think anyone's actually using freestyle with ivtv
01:30<mikegrb>correct based on posts on the -users list
01:30<tmk>at least no one's reported it to me
01:30<mechou>for $100 I'd rather get a more powerful cpu than a HW mpeg....
01:30<tmk>mechou: yeah, but for the lil via boards
01:30<tmk>a pvr350 will doo it all for you at like 3% cpu
01:31<mechou>doesPVRx50 fit in a shuttle?
01:31<tmk>i would assume so
01:31<tmk>they don't seem unusually large
01:31<mechou>oops, meant EPIA
01:31<tmk>ya i know
01:32<phar0e>anyone seen sites where they show their MythTV setups?
01:32<phar0e>with pictures..
01:33<kwenda>or did you mean the actual hardware
01:34<phar0e>well both, but this is fun to look at:)
01:35<kwenda>well is kind of it
01:35<kwenda>the computer is under the tv though so you cant see it
01:35<kwenda>you can see the little white IR eye at the bottom right of the tv though, thats about the only indication that its there
01:36<kwenda>that and the cat5/catv running across the bottom behind the rangers hat...
01:37<mechou>ok, with HDTV board (w/linux drivers) on the market, wouldn't you want more housepower than nemiah?
01:38<phar0e>let's say I had two TV tuners(one cheap ATI TV Wonder and another PVR-250) , will both perform the same for watching "live TV" ?or will the PVR-250 still perform better?
01:38<mechou>I'm just not so convinced EPIA/mini-ITX is a good investment....
01:38<tmk>phar0e: pvr should be a little lighter
01:38<FryGuy>kwenda: it could be bigger :)
01:38<tmk>since the encoding is still hardware
01:40<mechou>tmk, are you saying HDTV encoding is still HW?
01:40<tmk>mechou: i was talking to phar0e
01:40<mechou>opps, sorry...
01:40<tmk>hdtv comes as mpg i think
01:40<mikegrb>mechou: there isn't encoding, it is broadcast encoded ;)
01:40<tmk>could be wrong though
01:41<mechou>mikegrb, precisely....
01:41<mechou>but decoding is a bitch....
01:41<kwenda>what could be bigger
01:42<mechou>HDTV, that is. mucho horsepower required....
01:42<FryGuy>have you seen the best buy(?) commercial where they keep going back to get a tv to fit the hole better?
01:42<FryGuy>i was making a joke :)
01:43<phar0e>yes I saw that
01:43<phar0e>but then again, I don't watch commercials any longer!!
01:43<kwenda>lol i was gonna say
01:43<kwenda>the tv is 32"
01:43<kwenda>i have a second frontend on the tv upstiars, but thats only 13"
01:44<FryGuy>well I can't really complain
01:44<bbeattie>mechou: hi
01:44<FryGuy>i was just mentioning the hole looks big compared to the tv
01:44<phar0e>how fast does a frontend have to be?
01:45<phar0e>I wouldn't assume too fast..
01:45<mechou>hey bbeattie, how ya doing?
01:45<FryGuy>450mhz i think
01:45<mikegrb>abt 450 horse power
01:45<FryGuy>or <100mhz with a mpeg decoder
01:45<kwenda>phar0e, im running one at 300mhz P2
01:45<FryGuy>hardware mpeg decoder i mean
01:45<kwenda>decoding mpeg4 in software, works fine
01:46<FryGuy>it also depends on the compression/resolution too
01:46<bbeattie>mechou: very busy. I was contracted to do some work but the software is horribly broken and possibly impossible to get working unless there's about 20 hours of dev work done before saturday night.. I missed my sisters masters graduation because of it tonight.. so I'm not happy. :-/
01:46<phar0e>I will have an extra AMD 600MHz Duron lying around soon, I could use that
01:46<phar0e>just buy a wireless NIC and I'm in business
01:46<bbeattie>mechou: the next thing I really need to get working is changing subchannels
01:46<kwenda>i forget my settings, but i get a 220mb file for 30 mins of video
01:46<phar0e>yeah thats something I want to figure out, I've been waiting on Chutt
01:47<kwenda>phar0e, i didn't have very good luck with the wireless
01:47<bbeattie>mechou: dvb I'm told does it, but I'm not very familiar with DVB. HDTV subchannel changing is something that needs to be done at playback.
01:47<mechou>bbeattie, man sorry to hear that... So what are you doing here :)?
01:47<phar0e>Chutt told me I would be able to select a recording profile from mythweb2 ..
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01:47<bbeattie>mechou: this will change however once HDTV program listings are out, and auto transcoding to drop other subchannels can be done automatically.
01:48<bbeattie>mechou: I have someone who is going to check into SMP when he gets the card, but that's all the help I've been offered yet.
01:48<FryGuy>phar0e: you can do that with the cvs mythweb
01:48<mechou>actually smp test is good....
01:48<FryGuy>i don't know if it works though
01:48<phar0e>I have mythweb2 from CVS..
01:49<phar0e>unless I did it wrong
01:49<FryGuy>is it named mythweb2?
01:49<FryGuy>i just grabbed the mythweb cvs project
01:49<bbeattie>mechou: and no word back from Jack, he was suppost to get back in town yesterday but I've heard nothing yet.
01:49<FryGuy>and it had the encoding options
01:49<mikegrb>cvs mythweb does it I don't think it is in mythweb2 yet
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01:49<mechou>bbeattie, I don't understand, "and auto transcoding to drop other
01:49<mechou>subchannels can be done automatically.
01:50<FryGuy>does the transcoding thing work yet?
01:50<phar0e>well I can't go back to regular mythweb.. mythweb2 is so perty :)
01:50<FryGuy>out of the "box" i mean
01:50<mechou>bbeatie, what mechanism does this?
01:50<mikegrb>phar0e: definatley
01:50<bbeattie>mechou: Once program listings for HDTV are there, we can process the mpeg2-ts stream as it comes in from the tuner and only write out the subchannel that we want to keep.
01:51<mechou>ah, gotcha...
01:51<bbeattie>the problem is currently that we have to keep all subchannels since we don't know about subchannel programming
01:51<mechou>I'm on the same page now....
01:52<bbeattie>So, for now, we just need support to change subchannels in the mythtv player
01:52<bbeattie>I know nothing of this area in mythtv
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01:53<mechou>you got theioctl interfaces I can look at for that? (don't think that's covered in v4l(2)...)
01:54<bbeattie>it's the same as ntsc
01:54<bbeattie>do you have the cvs version of mythtv?
01:54<mechou>yup, a day old.....
01:55<bbeattie>well, nevermind, the only difference in the ioctl is the video_mode,
01:55<bbeattie>channel frequency ioctl's are the same.
01:56<bbeattie>mechou: a HDTV 5 second clip is at
01:56<mechou>do we need subchannel (web) listing? I mean we can do test on just a fer well known HDTV subchannels, right?
01:57<bbeattie>It's not long, but it's still a large file, about 40MB
01:57<mechou>and later, when the listings are in place, we have mechanism in place in myth....
01:58<bbeattie>We really do. An example of why, is most PBS stations have their program listings of only non-HD DTV in their program listing. To know when and what HD shows are, you have to know their subchannel program listing as it doesn't match other subchannel program schedules.
02:01<mechou>hmm, bust just for inititial development, we can manually get that info from titantv. A klugde, but it does get us farther, wouldn't it?
02:01<bbeattie>The steps I see being the most productive are: get being able to switch between subchannels in mythtv player. (fixing record failures to due bad signals/packets || taking 15 seconds to show playback of stream) framework to get ready for subchannels listings (Which includes being able to select to record entire stream or just a certain subchannel)
02:02<mechou>yeah, I agree with you there....
02:02<bbeattie>I don't see manually entering program information as anywhere possible for more than a few hours of testing. :)
02:04<mechou>yeah, but are there other ATSC stations that don't skip subchannels as much? we can at least make sure we get proper *.ts....
02:05<mechou>i.e.. good tuning, signal strength needed for OK file, etc.
02:07<mechou>it doesn't really help on testing out tuning subchannels, thou :(
02:08<mechou>and I agree with you, maybe Jack can flex some muscle on zap2it?
02:09<mechou>when he gets back, that is....
02:11<mechou>really need some biz development person to try to push on getting scrapable ATSC listings.
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02:15<mechou>My PBS station has one subchannel solely dedicated to HDTV Demo....
02:15<mechou>every night after 11pm or so....
02:16<mechou>basically one continuous loop of HDTV programming on one subchannel....
02:17<mechou>bbeattie, you still there?
02:22<mechou>ok, it's past my bedtime. Chat with you later.
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02:25<billytwowilly>Is the only reason 0.11 isn't out yet is because chutt is too busy to make a release? Is there something wrong with cvs that makes it so I shouldn't upgrade to cvs?
02:36<bigguy>billytwowilly: cvs is down
02:36<bigguy>I am sure
02:37<bigguy>Chutt's power is out most likely
02:37<billytwowilly>I'm starting to get impatient about this 0.11 thing;)
02:41<bigguy>well I'm not worried
02:41<bigguy>I'm getting ready to move
02:41<bigguy>school's about to start
02:42<billytwowilly>heh, I already did all my back to school stuff;)
02:42<billytwowilly>that's how bored I am waiting for 0.11;)
02:42<billytwowilly>I even bought a palm tungsten t2 I was so bored;)
02:43<bigguy>well I'm moving into an apartment
02:43<billytwowilly>on campus?
02:43<bigguy>had to wait for them to finish the renovation work
02:43<billytwowilly>where do you go?
02:43<bigguy>off campus
02:43<bigguy>like a block or 2 from the school
02:43<bigguy>Harding University
02:43<billytwowilly>that's good. where abouts do you go?
02:43<billytwowilly>where is that?
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02:44<bigguy>Searcy, AR , USA
02:44<billytwowilly>taking comp sci?
02:45<billytwowilly>lucky guess;)
02:45<bigguy>I got an AAS a few years back
02:45<bigguy>I'm going back for my Bachelors
02:45<billytwowilly>heh. I misread that at first with two S's and one A:)
02:45<billytwowilly>what is an AAS?
02:45<bigguy>Associate of Applied Science
02:45<bigguy>2 year degree
02:46<billytwowilly>oh. They don't have that at the University of Alberta (where I go)
02:46<bigguy>this is what 2year and community colleges have
02:47<billytwowilly>Oh, so you didn't get that at harding then?
02:47<billytwowilly>well, good luck to you.
02:47<billytwowilly>I'm going to head off to bed.
02:47<bigguy>I'm going back now because I can get funding
02:47<bigguy>k later
02:47<billytwowilly>I hope chutt releases tommorrow.
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09:54<mythtv>could somene point me to install instructions?
09:55<mythtv>sorry didn't work
09:55<mythtv>could you give me instructions that work
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09:56<Chutt>if you read those instructions, they work.
09:59<mythtv>there are lots of assumptions made .. assumptions should be 0 in the documentaton of instructions
10:02<Chutt>it assumes you're semi familiar with linux
10:02<Chutt>but that's a fairly safe assumption.
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10:29<mdz_>Chutt: thinking about doing a release soon?
10:30<Chutt>i just tagged everything but mythdvd, mythtv, and mythweb
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10:30<Chutt>and just emailed chris petersen about mythweb
10:30<Chutt>hoping to hear from thor sometime about mythdvd
10:31<Chutt>i think he had one more thing he wanted to get included in that
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10:32<Chutt>was going to do this all last night, but =)
10:32<mdz_>my myth box is misbehaving again. OOPSes
10:32<mdz_>in unlikely places
10:38<Chutt>gallery, game, music, video, weather are up
10:38<Chutt>if i don't hear from thor by noon or so, i'll tag mythdvd and mythtv
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10:45<Chutt>oh, oops
10:45<Chutt>forgot that danish translation update
10:45<Chutt>i was doing that last night when i lost power =)
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10:54<mikegrb>Chutt: I'm working on a plugin that needs a password entered in the setup, as it stands now it looks like the settings stuff won't allow the password to not be displayed (I want to show just 'set' or some such if a password is set rather then the password) would it be best to copy the code to a new class type for a password setting or just overload the settings function with an additional argument for text to be displayed if the sett
10:54<Chutt>be best to have a new line edit setting class, extending the existing one
10:55<mikegrb>sorry if my terminology is off :-) Did some c++ book reading but for the most part just jumped in <g>
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10:55<mikegrb>working on a mail reader plugin
10:56<mikegrb>finally found a library I liked, was going to just implement my own and abstract through a class to make it easy for someone else to patch for more then just IMAP (as that is all I care about)
10:56<mikegrb>found one that you hand it a 'url' for the mailbox location eg IMAP://server/inbox or SMTP://server/inbox
10:57<mikegrb>it handles all that stuff, well make it easy to suport mbox, maildir, smtp, and imap
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10:57<jkolb>Does it handle IMAP folders?
10:58<mikegrb>yes though I haven't decided how I'm going to do it initially, I want usable code for people as quick as possible
10:58<Chutt>what library?
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10:58<mikegrb>lemme look.... I'm at work
11:00<mikegrb>well can't find a link to it from their page, found it through google originally, it's from courier
11:01<mikegrb>looked at c-mail or what ever it is called but found lots of people not liking it when I searched for information about it
11:01<mikegrb>jkolb: initially it will probably only allow you to browse and read top level folders, with a setup option that indicates all folders are subfolders of the inbox
11:04<mikegrb>though I've been working on the ui for the most part, so if I found a better library it would be trivial to switch
11:05<mikegrb>that library's main short comming is the only way to build it is by building the cone client giving configure an option
11:06<Chutt>extract it into a separate package =)
11:06<mikegrb>that was what I planned on attempting
11:06<mikegrb>it whouldn't really be that difficult
11:06<mikegrb>er shouldn't
11:10<Chutt>there, retagged everything
11:12<mikegrb>heh I put the email with the transcode patch in my follow-up folder then read the next message, cvs commits <g>
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11:30<Chutt>there, mythweb2's up
11:30<Chutt>just gotta wait a little bit longer for thor
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11:35<drew123>jkolb you there?
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11:46<drew123>anyone around?
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11:57<thor_>Chutt, you around?
11:57<Chutt>i was just about to give up on hearing from you =)
11:57<thor_>got your e-mail ... have a commit to make if there is still time
11:58<thor_>sorry ... I was travelling
11:58<Chutt>i've got everything tagged up and ready to go except mythdvd/mythtv
11:58<Chutt>not a problem =)
11:58<Chutt>wanted to give you time to finish up whatever you were doing
11:58<Chutt>i didn't have power last night so the release got delayed to today anyway
11:58<thor_>ah ...
11:58<thor_>saw that on the news
11:59<thor_>let me update, build .. and if that works ... commit
12:00<thor_>mmmm Danish translations ...
12:01<Chutt>what's this last commit do?
12:01<thor_>also have a new MythVideo with a filetype table, a settings dialog to change them, and all that
12:01<thor_>but it's too new to commit
12:02<thor_>the MythRemoteLIneEdit ?
12:02<thor_>or the one I'm about to make ?
12:02<Chutt>yeah, next release =)
12:02<Chutt>the one you're about to make
12:02<Chutt>i was going to ask you about the line edit stuff, but you beat me to it =)
12:03<thor_>respects file size < 2 GIG for intermediate files in transocde
12:03<thor_>fixes some bugs
12:03<thor_>pure virtual function call when cleaning up in some cases
12:03<Chutt>since that made it hard to use the line edits
12:03<thor_>few other little things like that
12:03<Chutt>ah, cool
12:03<Chutt>once this release is out, i'm going to make the remotelineedit stuff go everywhere
12:04<thor_>it's fairly mature at this point =)
12:04<thor_>and you don't even notice it at the keyboard unless you hit a number
12:04<Chutt>the issue before was it wasn't using the same signals as the existing line edit stuff
12:04<Chutt>but that was a looong time ago
12:04<thor_>textChanged() ?
12:05<thor_>... got added about a week ago
12:05<Chutt>i don't remember, really
12:05<Chutt>think that was it
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12:07* sfris using mythmusic/lame to encode a CD into mp3, yeah!
12:09<Chutt>what was the issue before?
12:09<drew123>i can't seem to "modprobe msp3400.o" any ideas?
12:09* thor_wonders why not ogg ?
12:10<drew123>says it can't locate it
12:10<thor_>updatedb ; locate msp3400.o
12:12<drew123>thanks thor.. how long should that run?
12:12<Chutt>depends on your harddrive speed.
12:12<drew123>gotcha Chutt
12:12<Chutt>you also want to 'modprobe msp3400'
12:12<Chutt>without the .o, most likely
12:13<drew123>hmmm really why?
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12:13<Chutt>because that's the way you use modprobe
12:14<drew123><<<feels really stupid
12:14<Chutt>worked without it?
12:15<drew123>yep sure did
12:16<drew123>like a charm ... Gassy Ass
12:16<drew123>err Grassy Ass
12:17<sfr>Chutt, i'm not sure :(, but i think my handling of a pointer to lame_global_flags was broken
12:18<sfr>thor_ well, 1st b/c i (still) prefer mp3 (think mobile mp3 players and such) and 2nd it's fun
12:18<thor_>this seems to have built fine with everything up to speed .... going to try a short transcode on my ultrafast Crusoe
12:19<drew123>how long should an "insmod ivtv" take.. my lsmod says initializing..
12:19<Chutt>drew123, couple seconds, generally
12:19<thor_>sfr, k
12:20<sfr>Chutt i think i'll be ready to submit a patch by the time you release 0.12 :)
12:21<drew123>ok... well "insmod ivtv" went off to lala land
12:22<drew123>my lsmod still says initializing
12:22<drew123>and i can't Ctrl=C out of it
12:24<drew123>any thoughts?
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12:24<thor_>tail /var/log/messages ?
12:24<Chutt>wait until tmk comes on and ask him
12:24<Chutt>he's the ivtv driver author
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12:26<thor_>cancelling out of stuff seems to be working ... finished a non-cancelled transcode in about 20 minutes, then I'll commit
12:26<Chutt>great =)
12:26<Chutt>then all i have to do is tag the release and make up a changelog
12:27<thor_>gig 'em
12:27<thor_>I'm going to hang up in the interim ...
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12:46<Chutt>work ok?
12:46<thor_>yup, just commited
12:46<Snow-Man>Get ready for the mailing lists to break, I'm about to leave.
12:46<jkolb>Where're you going?
12:47<Chutt>i can mostly fix them now
12:47<Chutt>unless it's something really broken
12:47<Snow-Man>Up to NJ for a 'geek' weekend.
12:47<Chutt>and by fix i mean 'restart'
12:47<thor_>so .. if there's nothing further, I'm going out for dinner
12:47<Chutt>thor, nope, thanks for your work =)
12:47<Snow-Man>I'll be online alot more from there than a normal weekend actually. :)
12:47<thor_>I'll check e-mail in the next 24 in case there's a problem
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12:47<jkolb>LAN party or something?
12:47<Snow-Man>I'm planning to look at that socket thingy.
12:47<Snow-Man>jkolb: yeah, basically.
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12:48<jkolb>I have yet to go to one of those.
12:48<Snow-Man>Things seem to be going pretty well with the lists actually.
12:48<Chutt>yeah, they were working this morning
12:48<Chutt>which was nice
12:49<Snow-Man>Better to come back to something working than something broken. :)
12:49<Snow-Man>The hourly queue seems to have grown some.
12:49<Chutt>well, yeah
12:49<Chutt>i assume a bunch of people couldn't get delivered to last night
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12:50<Snow-Man>Yeah, I guess that's true.
12:51<Snow-Man>root 18019 0.1 0.6 6604 3360 ? S 12:44 0:00 sendmail: MTA: hourly/h7FFSOcN007987 user open
12:51<Snow-Man>root 18023 0.1 0.6 6280 3252 ? S 12:44 0:00 sendmail: MTA: hourly/h7F2OZcN032667 user open
12:51<Snow-Man>heh. :)
12:52<Snow-Man>Alright, I need to actually start packing and stuff.
12:53<Chutt>later =)
12:53<Chutt>i'll be sure to annoy you if stuff breaks
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13:09<Chutt>there, all tarballs are uploaded
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14:33<mechou>anybody tried xmltv0.5.16 for North America? Is it "safe" to use whith mythtv?
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14:44<jkolb>Chutt: So is 0.11 an official release now?
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15:15<jkolb>What's left?
15:15<jkolb>Just making the announcement?
15:17<Chutt>was out shopping
15:17<Chutt>so i couldn't do it yet
15:19<Chutt>picked up the linux journal with mythtv in it
15:20<Chutt>decent little overview of installing it
15:21<jkolb>Do the instructions include coming into the IRC channel and complaining to you? Because and installation isn't really complete until someone's managed to piss you or rkulagow off.
15:22<Chutt>to include this 'Joe V's patch in the tarball or not
15:22<Chutt>since i've already uploaded it and everything
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15:23<Chutt>ah, what the hell, might as well
15:23<jkolb>So you're going to be updating the tarball?
15:24<jkolb>Because I'm helping someone install it, and I've already had them download it. Heh.
15:24<Chutt>just the mythtv-0.11 one, yeah
15:24<Chutt>everything else'll be the same
15:25<Chutt>patch is on mythtv-users if you want to have the guy apply it manually
15:25<Chutt>just a minor thing
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15:29<mdz_>util.cpp:263: warning: unused parameter `int flags'
15:29<Chutt>oh no!
15:29<mdz_>better back out the release
15:29<mdz_>that happens if USE_LIRC isn't defined
15:30<Chutt>mdz, i'm still uploading it
15:30<Chutt>oh well
15:30<mdz_>you are? I already downloaded it
15:30<Chutt>i'm reuploading it
15:30<jkolb>mdz is not who I'm helping, in case you were wondering. :p
15:30<Chutt>minor bugfix was just posted to mythtv users
15:30<mdz_>well shit
15:31<Chutt>but i hadn't announced it officially, so i figured it didn't matter too much
15:31<mdz_>I'm used to sneaking in the back way
15:31<Chutt>figured =)
15:31<mdz_>what's the md5sum on the new one?
15:31<Chutt>it's still uploading
15:31<mdz_>but presumably you have a local copy :-)
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15:32<Chutt>i think
15:32<Chutt>it's on another machine
15:32<Chutt>so i just typed that in
15:32<Chutt>upload's done
15:32<Chutt>no more changes, i promise :p
15:32<mdz_>e32fd425c7261d2a75d06777d7096263 mythtv-0.11.tar.bz2
15:32<mdz_>40685c89042bd50f0f047396374b4eec mythtv-0.11.tar.bz2.1
15:33<mdz_>I hope cvs-upgrade doesn't blow up
15:33<mdz_>tv_play.cpp the only change?
15:33<mdz_>nothing that needed a merge. that would have sucked
15:33<Chutt>i did retag, so..
15:34<FryGuy>i hate having to merge by hand
15:34<FryGuy>i found out the hard way that you sometimes have to
15:34<Chutt>almost all the time =)
15:34<Chutt>cvs is _dumb_
15:34<FryGuy>well, I'm used to WinMerge
15:34<mdz_>yeah, pretty much
15:34<mdz_>sometimes it generates a conflict where both sections are exactly the same
15:34<Chutt>all i have to do is write up the changelog for the website
15:35<Chutt>though, it's really mainly just been bugfixes from what i remember
15:35<Chutt>aside from mythdvd and mythweb
15:36<mdz_>is the new mythweb up?
15:36<mdz_>that one's going to be a pain to upgrade
15:36<mdz_>looks like the config file format changed completely around
15:37<FryGuy>I had written some stuff to do a second externalcommand (not to change channel, but to initialize settings for the video source), and something else happened in that section and suddenly cvs wouldn't compile
15:37<FryGuy>and i saw the <<<<<<<< stuff and it took me a while to figure out what had happened
15:37<FryGuy>what I was trying to accomplish was use the coax and rca jacks on the same card with only one sound card (directv + local channels)
15:37<Chutt>i'd wipe and restart, personally
15:37<FryGuy>so I had the script mute line-in and unmute mic, and vice-versa
15:37<mdz_>yeah, g++ produces some nice, helpful error messages when it encounters cvs conflict notation
15:37<FryGuy>but I found a second tuner card that didn't work in windows, so I didn't need it anymore
15:38<FryGuy>i sense a bit of sarcasm there :)
15:38<mdz_>what's the quick fix for xmltv this week?
15:38<mdz_>do they have a new release out yet?
15:38<mdz_>need to do something about it in the next 5 days or so
15:39<Chutt>the old stuff works again
15:39<Chutt>zap2it fixed whatever it was
15:39<Chutt>0.5.16's out with the same fix that's on the mythtv lists, though
15:39<FryGuy>i need to figure out what's wrong with the mythtv lists coming to my mailbox sometime
15:40<FryGuy>it says I'm subscribed, but I never get any mail from -users/-dev, but I do from -commits
15:40<Chutt>oh, if you get -commits, then you should be getting the rest
15:40<Chutt>i was going to say 'make sure you're not using spews', but
15:40<mdz_>maybe you get the digest version
15:41<mdz_>now there's an idea that's way past its time
15:41<mdz_>why do people still implement that in modern mailing list software?
15:42<FryGuy>well I might have gotten put on the "bounced too many times" because my mailhost died for 3 or so days
15:42<Chutt>the digest is definitly going out
15:42<Chutt>i get a bounce from some guys at every single damn time
15:42<Chutt>i need to unsubscribe them sometime
15:42<Chutt>fryguy, that's very likely -- with the volume on the list, if it's down for just a very little bit too long, you're off
15:42<FryGuy>but I tried to resubscribe, and it said that i was already subscribed
15:42<Chutt>mdz, tons of people have bad addresses and junk on the lists
15:42<Chutt>all the dumb people that run their mail servers on their dsl connections, mainly =)
15:44<FryGuy>hmm it must've been a quirk. it's letting me on now
15:44<FryGuy>but now I need to figure out how to get mozilla thunderbird to send as a different email address than my main one
15:44<FryGuy>oh well
15:44<FryGuy>i'll figure it out
15:47<Chutt>sorry, but i really don't have time to go through the messages that people send from non-subscribed addresses
15:47<Chutt>99% of it's spam
15:47<Chutt>and there's a good 20-30 a day generally
15:50<mdz_>Chutt: the list doesn't auto-unsubscribe bounces?
15:50<Chutt>for those it recognizes
15:50<Chutt>it does
15:50<Chutt>it doesn't get all of em
15:50<mdz_>oh, the ones from broken MTAs
15:50<mdz_>which go back to every address except the envelope sender
15:51<Chutt>and have non-standard bounce messages in them
15:52<mdz_> 283 files changed, 30611 insertions(+), 8967 deletions(-)
15:52<mdz_>not bad
15:52<Chutt>what's that for?
15:52<Chutt>just mythtv?
15:52<mdz_>well, mythtv including libav*
15:54<Chutt>i did a lot of those deletions =)
15:54<Chutt>got rid of a couple thousand lines of code a couple times
15:55<mdz_>from where?
15:56<Chutt>the live tv->recording stuff
15:56<Chutt>and some other dead code
15:56<Chutt>the deinterlacing crap in nvr.cpp
15:59<Chutt>lotta changes
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16:13<Chutt>just1nux, yo
16:13<just1nux>chutt, hey
16:14<Chutt>i'm going to be redoing a bunch of the OSD code in a bit
16:14<Chutt>anything easy you'd like?
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16:15<just1nux>uhm, dont have much of a wish list at the moment except the channel number stuff.
16:15<just1nux>ill think about it though
16:15<just1nux>and let you know
16:15<Chutt>how best d'ya think that should work, though?
16:15<Chutt>since there should really be a channel number when the user types it in..
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16:17<just1nux>BTW got a bug for you. after moving backward and forward with pg up and down and removing edit points in the edit screen, returning to the playing file with 'e' or maybe even exit...not sure. Afterward the right arrow for fast forward only jumps ahead 1 second. I can reproduce this with cvs from 2 days ago.
16:18<Chutt>i'll add that to my list
16:18<just1nux>i think clearing the channel that is there and replacing it with what is being typed is fine
16:19<Chutt>you'd want the entire osd to show up when typing in channel numbers?
16:19<just1nux>i would think so
16:20<just1nux>thats how most of them work (dish osd, replay, etc)
16:20<Chutt>i don't know if i'd like that behavior =)
16:20<just1nux>i tihnk they blink an underline or something where the numbers are being typed
16:21<just1nux>how else would you do it?
16:21<Chutt>I dunno, just would lose a lot of screen real-estate by doing that, i'd think
16:21<just1nux>like you are watching what is playing if your trying to change the channel?
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16:23<just1nux>maybe another color for the type of the channel number when it is in "changing channel mode"
16:23<phar0e>Chutt is back!
16:23<Chutt>i've been here all day
16:26<Chutt>all done
16:26<Chutt>bigass update
16:26<just1nux>chutt: i also was thinking in the mode where you hit 'O' to browse around the guide, there should be a way to display "time until show starts' info. Most OSD's that i have seen have something like this.
16:27<Chutt>good idea
16:27<sfr>is there a way to show the remaining time of a show, i'd like that when hitting i?
16:27<Chutt>in live tv mode?
16:28<Chutt>nope, but that's easy to add
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16:32<phar0e>Chutt, are you the man who does mythweb as well?
16:33<choenig>sfr: I'd like to have that feature, too, so if you need a beta tester again ;-)
16:34<sfr>choenig i want to finish mp3 encoding support first, so it will take some time _should_ i look into it ;)
16:34<Chutt>eh, just remind me if i don't get to it when i do the osd stuff
16:34<Chutt>it's really very minor
16:35<sfr>Chutt, ok it's yours ;)
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16:38<sfr>Chutt another minor thing (i guess) i think the osd should be displayed when one enters live-tv mode
16:38<mikegrb>YES :-)
16:38<Chutt>bah, just hit i
16:38<phar0e>mike is awake!
16:38<mikegrb>sorry bought the caps
16:39<sfr>:)) i'm too lazy !
16:39<mikegrb>was ssh'd into a legacy system at work
16:39<sfr>mikegrb come on, that was intentional.
16:39<mikegrb>oh, right
16:41<mikegrb>Chutt: I remember you talking about an on screen menu way back when, is that the O while watching live tv or something different?
16:41<Chutt>that's something different
16:41<Chutt>going to put actions in there
16:41<mikegrb>okay thought so but wasn't certain
16:41<Chutt>'adjust contrast'
16:41<Chutt>'go to edit mode'
16:41<mikegrb>that was the kind of stuff I was thinking
16:42<mikegrb>'check email'
16:42<sfr>'make coffee'
16:42<mikegrb>sfr: yes, with x10 :-)
16:43<mikegrb>mythtv is the geekieness that my wife likes, for my parents it's the X-10 stuff and custom app for controlling it in a network enviroment with a clickable floor plan
16:43<drew123>hey Chutt.. is that newest copy out there for download?
16:43<mikegrb>my mom always has something for me to tweek when I'm visiting
16:44<Chutt>drew123, see the website.
16:44<sfr>mikegrb tsts, high-tech (us-)america... just the powers missing sometimes ;)
16:44<mikegrb>Chutt, that sure is a long update
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16:45<Chutt>yeah. i refer to that length of update as 'bigass'
16:46<sfr>he, so my mp3 encoding patch will be more visible in the next release, fine with me
16:47<jhurliman>sfr: is mp3 encoding in 0.11, or was it posted to the mailing list?
16:48<Chutt>it's nowhere but in sfr's local source tree
16:48<sfr>jhurliman, not so fast my young friend. just today i managed to get it working. nothing to publisch yet.
16:49<jhurliman>ahh, well once you get it integrated into the mythmusic gui post a patch :)
16:49<sfr>s/publisch/publish. ok, i'm german as you can guess :)
16:50<sfr>sure, but it will take me some time
16:51<Chutt>ah, finally
16:51<Chutt>now i can break stuff again
16:52<Chutt>i guess i should wait a few days
16:52<Chutt>before doing anything major
16:53<phar0e>Chutt, do you have any pictures on a website of your hardware setup for MythTV?
16:53<sfr>what are your plans?
16:53<Chutt>phar0e, nope
16:54<Chutt>sfr, break the OSD code so it can handle doing pvr-350 output
16:54<Chutt>and support that output method
16:54<Chutt>if i get really bored, i'll look into adding support for the cle266 mpeg decoder stuff
16:54<Chutt>(ie, the epia-m)
16:55<Chutt>past that, i dunno
16:55<sfr>so other mpeg decoder cards like the dxr3 could be added (easier) ?
16:55<Chutt>there's always something
16:55<Chutt>i have no idea how those work or anything
16:55<sfr>neither me
16:56<jhurliman>what was the final verdict on the nVidia driver? is there a preferred version to run that isn't the latest?
16:56<Chutt>the previous version
16:56<Chutt>43.63 i think?
16:57<Chutt>i need to email the nvidia driver guy
16:57<jhurliman>ahh, is it available on nvidia's website, or does anyone have a copy of that particular version?
16:58<jhurliman>with their auto-update script i'm never aware what version is installed
17:01<sfr>does anyone have a problem with the debian-packages link? mozilla just shows an e page (
17:02<sfr>... shows an empty page (
17:02<mdz_>Chutt: oh, I'm glad you're going to do that menu thing
17:03<mdz_>there are getting to be too many key bindings
17:05<phar0e>sfr, I get empty page as well in IE & Mozilla
17:05<sfr>phar0e maybe because there are no updated packages by mdz_ ? ;)
17:06<mdz_>sfr: I have them built, but have not been able to test them yet because I am not at home
17:06<mdz_>sfr: if you want to give them a quick test, I'll put them up on the site
17:07<mikegrb> <- heh
17:07<mikegrb>er sorry
17:07<sfr>mdz_ didn't mean it like that. i think i'll stay with cvs.
17:09<phar0e>mikegrb, have you been caught by that speed trap before?
17:09<Chutt>jhurliman, sorry, it's on their website -- they've got a bunch of previous versions available
17:09<mikegrb>I'm in Charleston, SC
17:10<Chutt>sfr, the website's fixed
17:11<jhurliman>ahh thanks
17:17<phar0e>does anyone here use vnc + mythfrontend?
17:18<phar0e>probably would be too slow.. x that
17:18<sfr>phar0e the menu's seem ok (at 640x512), tv won't work i guess.
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17:25<mdz_>phar0e: yeah, just a bit
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17:42<mdz_>Chutt: who could I ask about converting the mythweb config from the old format to the new?
17:44<mdz_>bah, I'll just throw it away like I did the last time this happened
17:44<mdz_>I might as well take advantage of the fact that myth isn't in Debian yet
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18:47<mechou>anybody know which commercial flagging method in myth is the least cpu intensive, and completes quickest?
18:51<Chutt>the flagging code is really negligible compared to decoding the video
18:51<Captain_Murdoch>mehou, turn off auto-flagging and it will still flag blank frames during recording.
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18:52<Captain_Murdoch>but yeah, the detection routine/thread is niced so it takes virtually 0 cpu and you still benefit from the record-time blank frame detection if you're using software encoding.
18:52<mechou>yeah, I'm reallying confused about what flagging options does what....
18:53<Captain_Murdoch>are you using a pvr-250 or 350?
18:53<Captain_Murdoch>or hardware mjpeg?
18:53<mechou>no, I'm using hauppage WinTV-dbx
18:54<mechou>so if I turn off flagging, do the blank frames still get written to the db?
18:54<Chutt>mechou, the flagging that happens after the fact has to decode everything to do its job
18:54<Captain_Murdoch>so software encoding. blank frames are detected and flagged while recording so you should have near instantaneous commercial skipping right after a recording finishes. to get a little better flagging, turn on the auto-flagging stuff. it won't take much cpu and will do a better job flagging sometimes.
18:54<Chutt>and the actual commercial detection stuff doesn't really add much time to the time it takes to decode everything
18:55<Chutt>84 downloads through the webpage so far
18:55<Chutt>too many people using cvs
18:55<mechou>I was just confused why "auto flagging" seemed to take so long compared to myth 0.8, flagging seemed (almost) instanteous
18:55<Captain_Murdoch>if you turn off auto-flagging, yes blank frames still get written to the DB when using software encoding. the auto-flagging which runs after recording can be more accurate though and doesn't affect the blank frames previously written.
18:56<Captain_Murdoch>mechou, it's a 2-step process with the 2nd step being optional.
18:56<mikegrb>Chutt: it is sure to climb rapidly as people on the west coast get off
18:56<mechou>Captain_Murdoch, takes for clarifying that for me....
18:57<Captain_Murdoch>blank frames are detected during recording and written when a recording finishes. then if you have auto-flagging on, after recording a thread is run which does a little better job at detection and can take advantage of other methods (ie the preliminary scene-change stuff)
18:57<just1nux>chutt: have there been any complaints about commercial flagging not working when the "strict" checkbox thing is checked? I had to uncheck it before my commercial would be automatically be flaged again.
18:58<Chutt>just1nux, nope, but you want to talk to captain_murdoch, that's all his work =)
18:58* Captain_Murdochdoesn't take any blame. ;)
18:59<Captain_Murdoch>just1nux: not sure. I have strict off.
18:59<just1nux>heh, i dont mind not having it check since i never understood what is was for anyways, but with it checked everything comeout without being flagged.
18:59<Chutt>i'm thinking about revamping the decoder layer
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19:00<Chutt>maybe move the rtjpeg junk into libavcodec
19:00<mattfelsen>is there a way to find out whether the guide was called from live tv or schedule recordings?
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19:01<Chutt>mattfelsen, yeah, the stuff that decides to show the video preview window or not uses that
19:01<Captain_Murdoch>strict basically tightens the lengths used to check for commercials, like 30 second commercials are only flagged if they fall within ((30 * frame_rate) + 12) frames instead of ((30 * frame_rate) + 17). so there's a 5-frame less leeway for 30-second spots. for 60 it's also a 5-frame less leeway and 10 frames less for 90-second spots.
19:01<mattfelsen> you know offhand what file that's in so i can mess with it?
19:02<mattfelsen>i already changed some of the keybindings, but i'd like to make them context-specific
19:02<Chutt>well, not right off =) libs/libmythtv/guidegrid.cpp is the most of the guide code
19:02<Chutt>but the ui code for it all lives in libs/libmyth/uitypes.cpp
19:03<mechou>hey chutt, I d'l mythtv cvs the night you "had company. (2 nights ago?)" Is 0.11 different enough to justify d'l, in your opinion?
19:03<Captain_Murdoch>mattfelsen: look for m_player in guidegrid.cpp
19:03<Chutt>mechou, you could just update your cvs checkout
19:03<mattfelsen>aahh yea, i think i've seen that
19:03<mattfelsen>i'll mess around with it
19:04<mattfelsen>once i'm done though, i'd like to submit a patch. how do i actually create the patch file?
19:04<Chutt>assuming you're using CVS
19:04<Chutt>you do: cvs -z3 diff -ud > mypatch.diff
19:04<Chutt>from the top level directory
19:04<mechou>Chutt, that's what I'm talking about (cvs update). Compile takes about 1/2 hr....
19:05<Chutt>mechou, i don't remember what i've fixed, you'd have to look at the commits list
19:05<mechou>Chutt, OK..
19:05<mikegrb>Chutt: where is getValue() used in settings.cpp defined?
19:06<mikegrb>heh should have looked there
19:07<Chutt>grep is your friend :p
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19:07<mikegrb>well yes, I grep'ed but just got settings.h and .cpp, I looked at the instances in .cpp but for some reason didn't check .h, didn't seem likely <G>
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19:11<mikegrb>it looks like getValue returns the value of the setting yet ... ahh I got it, I wasn't sure how the default was set.... but that would have been silly to ask as there is a setValue call when defining the class
19:12<mikegrb>everyone: which is better for indicating a password is hidden in a setup box, saying 'set' or 'hidden' or $other?
19:13<mikegrb>Chutt: this patch is a lot easier then I expected it to be <g>
19:14<mattfelsen>awesome, it works...when looking through the guide from live tv, i will bring up recording options while space, enter and return will change to the selected channel. when watching the guide from schedule recordings, i, enter, space and return all do the same thing: recording options
19:15<mattfelsen>i think these bindings make a lot more sense than the current system of pressing guide to change channels...should i bother submitting a patch
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19:19<phar0e>I'm sure you've all been asked this question 100 times, but what are the main differences between the PVR 250 and 350?
19:20<phar0e>I was reading through the mailing lists and was under the impression the 350 isn't supported yet by MythTV?
19:20<Chutt>major difference is that the 350 has a decoder/tv-out
19:20<Chutt>which isn't quite supported in linux yet
19:20<mikegrb>Chutt: I know you can leave brackets off of a statement to execute for an if if it is just one statement as opposed to a block, can you still leave the braces off if you are using an else
19:20<Chutt>but will be soon
19:20<Chutt>mikegrb, yeah
19:20<bline>if tmk ever finishes it ;)
19:21<mikegrb>Chutt: thanks
19:21<Chutt>bline, well, he wants it supported in mythtv, so he has to
19:21<Chutt>mattfelsen, can you just email to the list?
19:21<bline>I'm glad he started using mythtv now, should be a good motivation
19:21<phar0e>cool, so for an extra $40-50 the pvr 350 makes much more sense, yes?
19:21<mattfelsen>well, i'm not subscribed because it's such a high volume of traffic, but i guess i'll do so now
19:22<Chutt>phar0e, well, not really
19:22<Chutt>mattfelsen, the -dev list isn't that high traffic anymore
19:22<Chutt>it's much better now =)
19:22<mattfelsen>-users still is
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19:24<mechou>Captain_Murdoc, you still there?
19:26<mdz>is it me, or is the new mythweb much slower than the old one?
19:27<Chutt>it's slower
19:27<Chutt>displaying a bunch more data
19:27<Chutt>and there's the silly popups
19:27<Chutt>should be as fast as before if those were turned off
19:28<mdz>holy shit
19:28<mdz>the page is huge
19:29<phar0e>I guess that circuitcity deal for $99 after rebates for the pvr250 is over :<
19:30<Muti>i got mine off ebay for $125
19:30<mikegrb>where do the settings actually get set, the connect signal stuff? or another place as I suspect?
19:31<mdz>Chutt: safe to package mythmusic?
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19:32<Chutt>far as i know
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19:33<mdz>mythtv and mythweb debs are up
19:33<mattfelsen>and i mailed off my patch
19:33<alkern>greetings. i'm updating the gentoo ebuilds. quick question on mythmusic mad dependencies. is it enough to have just libmad and libid3tag? or is madplay also needed?
19:33<mdz>Chutt: does mythdvd have any interesting installation/configuration requirements?
19:33<alkern>and/or is libmad even required?
19:34<alkern>ooh! I'd like to know that one too :)
19:34<mechou>phar0e, the $99 deal is a recurring event almost every month, maybe more frequent than that,even
19:34<phar0e>cool, I'll keep my eyes pealed
19:34<mechou>CC, CrapUSA, Omax(Maybe?)
19:35<mattfelsen>mechou: thanks for the reminder, i need to call cusa
19:35<mdz>no db updates for mythmusic, right?
19:35<mechou>mattfelson,what are you getting at CUSA?
19:36<mattfelsen>my ibook repaired, unfortunately
19:37<Chutt>alkern, madplay isn't needed, libmad is
19:37<Chutt>mdz, no db updates for mythmusic
19:38<mechou>well, I suppose CUSA is still the place to go if you need ann ibook repaired. Hardly ever go there myself unless a REALLY good deal comes along.
19:38<alkern>Chutt: thank you
19:38<mdz>Chutt: mythgallery-settings.txt is obsolete now, right?
19:38<Chutt>mythdvd needs libdvdread and transcode installed -- the transcode debs work
19:38<Chutt>but that's only if you enable transcoding support via configure
19:38<Chutt>all the -settings.txt files are obsolete
19:38<Chutt>and mythdvd needs a dvd player, depending on what the user sets for that
19:38<alkern>is there a list of minimum version requirements? I'm just going off what is listed on the mythmusic docs
19:39<Chutt>alkern, i believe those are current
19:39<alkern>gentoo should be up to spec tonight :)
19:39<Chutt>great, thanks
19:40<alkern>oh yeah...last question (hopefully) does xmltv-0.5.16 work with .11? (i didn't quite understand the update on -- been a long week)
19:40<Chutt>it should
19:40<Chutt>i haven't tried it, but there weren't any major changes from .15
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19:40<alkern>thats what I thought...the changelog wasn't as scary as .15 :)
19:41<Chutt>mdz, mythdvd installs needs to install an 'mtd' binary, other than that it's a normal plugin
19:42<alkern>where does mtd go?
19:42<Chutt>with all the other bins
19:42<mattfelsen>Chutt: out of curiosity, do you compile your own kernels?
19:42<Chutt>i need to update mine, actually
19:43<mattfelsen>damn...i don't think there's a way to get lirc installed without doing so
19:45<Chutt>ok, how can that guy on the ivtv list think that that problem can be a mythtv problem
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19:47<Chutt>mdz, how can i get you to make mythgame/mythvideo debs? =)
19:49<mechou>mattfelen: I was able to just recompile lirc and get it working. Do you need a special kernel module which isn't compiled?
19:49<mdz>Chutt: by getting me to use them
19:49<Chutt>just build em
19:49<Chutt>doesn't matter if you use them
19:49<Chutt>'slong as they install properly
19:50<mdz>if I don't use them, then I won't care when they don't work
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19:50<Chutt>_i_ don't really care if they don't work
19:50<alkern>mythvideo doesn't have any dependencies, yes? (other than mythtv)
19:50<Chutt>a video player
19:50<alkern>pretty much xine || mplayer
19:51<mattfelsen>mechou: lirc needs Rules.make in the kernel src tree to compile
19:51<alkern>do folks use others?
19:51<mattfelsen>and the kernel-headers packages don't come with that file
19:51<Chutt>i dunno
19:51<Chutt>oh, mythdvd needs mythvideo
19:51<alkern>i'll leave it at that, and see if people complain
19:51<Chutt>for the ripping support
19:51<alkern>ah! good to know
19:51<mdz>Chutt: you're making that up to get me to package mythvideo
19:51<mdz>because I was thinking of doing mythdvd
19:51<Chutt>it dumps the copied .vob or the transcoded video into the mythvideo directory
19:52<Chutt>so it can get added and be in the UI and stuff
19:52<alkern>so libdvdread, transcode, a player, and mythvideo? (and mythtv of course)
19:52<Chutt>i imagine they'll talk more eventually
19:52<Chutt>alkern, libdvdcss if you want that as well
19:52<Chutt>thor was talking of putting the imdb lookup into mythdvd and dumping that data directly into mythvideo's db table
19:55<Chutt>mdz, aside from the 2 extra db files, mythgame is identical to mythgallery
19:55<mattfelsen>mechou: did you get lirc installed on a system using a packaged kernel?
19:55<Chutt>mythvideo should be identical to mythgallery, with a different filename for the db file
19:55<mdz>maybe I'd do it for unstable only or something
19:55<Chutt>and the db files are going away next version, soo... =)
19:55<mdz>where are they going?
19:56<Chutt>well, the plugins are going to take care of it themselves
19:56<mattfelsen>hmm...i'm wondering why mplayer-k6 depends on libdvdread2 and not libdvdread3
19:56* bigguyhates too do it but unsubs from the lists since he don't know when he'll get inet access in searcy
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19:57<mdz>ok, {mythtv,mythweb,mythmusic,mythgallery,mythweather} debs are done for {stable,unstable}
19:57<mdz>except mythmusic/stable which doesn't exist
19:57<mdz>in other words everything I shipped for 0.10 is updated
19:57<Chutt>due to vorbis or flac?
19:57<Chutt>thanks =)
19:57<Chutt>very quick update
19:57<mdz>I'll look at mythdvd later
19:58<mdz>what does mythdvd do besides the transcoding?
19:58<Chutt>has a button for playback
19:58<mechou>mattfelsen, sorry, otherwise preoccupied, but did get lirc installed on prepak kernel.
19:58<Chutt>and that's 'bout it
19:59<mdz>it'd be nice to add some preset player command lines to it
19:59<mdz>for xine and whatever other stuff
19:59<alkern>eck! gentoo's version of libcdaudio is from 2001...that needs to be updated :)
19:59<mdz>there's an editable combobox setting
19:59<mattfelsen>mechou: on debian?
20:00<mechou>no, on mdk
20:00<Chutt>alkern, that's about the last time it really was updated.
20:00<mdz>heh, mythdvd has an UPGRADING file
20:00<Chutt>mdz, there's a default for mplayer, i believe
20:00<alkern>Chutt there's a version from this year :)
20:00<mdz>Chutt: yeah, it's a simple line edit with mplayer as the default
20:00<mattfelsen>mplayer has some default options in the mythvideo settings
20:00<Chutt>make it a combo box with a default for xine and ogle, perhaps?
20:01<Chutt>i'm using ogle, myself, for the dvdnav stuff
20:01<Chutt>for the entire 4 times i've used it
20:01<alkern>should the same be added to mythvideo?
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20:02<Chutt>actually, it'd probably make sense to merge mythdvd/mythvideo at some point
20:02<mattfelsen>maybe it should be placed somewhere else where both modules can read the setting and it doesn't have to be duplicated
20:02<mdz>Chutt: what'd be a good default command line for xine? I'm going to go ahead and add that stuff
20:02<Chutt>i dunno
20:02<mdz>what do you use for ogle?
20:02<alkern>mdz: i use xine, hold on a sec
20:03<Chutt>i'm just using it bare
20:03<Chutt>since i've only used it on my desktop
20:03<mechou>mattfelson, I think my Rules.make came in kernel-source, don't think it was dynamically generated....
20:03<Chutt>so, i'm really not the best person to ask :p
20:03<mdz>Chutt: does it run fullscreen by default?
20:03<alkern>this is what I use: /usr/bin/xine -pfhq %s
20:04<mdz>alkern: isn't -h help?
20:04<Chutt>i don't think so
20:04<mdz>oh, xine's option parsing is weird
20:04<mdz>that's an argument to -p, right
20:04<mdz>alkern: %s is the DVD player device node?
20:05<mdz>there is a -pd option that has something to do with DVD
20:05<alkern>are you asking for dvd or for mythvideo? for dvd it would be something else...I have sec.
20:05<mdz>for dvd
20:05<mattfelsen>oh god, it's felsen, not felson. people have been misspelling it all my life. come, on, use tab completion!
20:05* mattfelsenchuckles
20:05<alkern>for dvd it would be: xine -pfhq --auto-scan dvd
20:06<mdz>heh, ogle doesn't really take command line options
20:06<mdz>alkern: thanks
20:06<mechou>felon, you say :)?
20:06<alkern>yeah, -p is autoplay with 'f' going to full screen and 'h' hiding the gui and 'q' to quit after playback
20:07<mattfelsen>how does vcd/scvd playing fit into this?
20:07<mdz>it doesn't even seem to take a command line option for the device
20:07<alkern>nope, it looks for /dev/dvd
20:07<mdz>I meant ogle
20:07<alkern>or something..
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20:08<mdz>but I guess it's true for xine too
20:08<alkern>yeah, they just look for an available dvd device
20:12<mdz>Chutt: mythdvd has a QMAKE_CFLAGS_RELEASE in settings.o, but I don't see any C code. is that accurate?
20:12<mdz>er...I just got conflicts in files in mythdvd that I would have never had any reason to edit
20:13<mdz>did you move the repository around or something?
20:13<mattfelsen>did you cvs up with -Pd?
20:14<mdz>yes, not that it matters since there were no new directories, nor any removed
20:15<mattfelsen>mechou: if you gave me a copy of your lirc kernel modules, do you think they'd work on my system?
20:15<mattfelsen>provided it's the same kernel rev?
20:15<mdz>ah, they're created by configure
20:16<mdz>Chutt: config.h and the .xml files shouldn't be checked into CVS, no?
20:17<mechou>mattfelsen, I don't mind, but I got my doubts....
20:18<mechou>mattfelsen, I'd think you'd be better off d'l kernel source
20:19* mattfelsenwants the lazy way out
20:19<mattfelsen>i guess it's time i learn how to configure & build my own kernels
20:20<mechou>I don't think you need to rebuild kernel for lirc, you just need kernel source to compile lirc against.
20:20<mechou>that's a fine distinction....
20:21<mattfelsen>well, most packages that "require a kernel src tree" will compile fine with the kernel-headers pacakge installed
20:21<mattfelsen>but lirc needs Rules.make which is generated after a make config
20:21<mattfelsen>or make menuconfig or make xconfig
20:22<mattfelsen>but on top of that, it also won't build if the current running kernel is different from the one in the src tree
20:22<mechou>right, that's different than compiling the kernel....
20:22<mattfelsen>well, if i configure the kernel so that it's the same as my running kernel, that's most of the work
20:23<mechou>no, make oldconfig (with whatever changes for lirc)
20:24<mattfelsen>what's oldconfig?
20:25<mechou>your current running kernel configuration
20:26<mattfelsen>ooh, i like that
20:31<mattfelsen>egh, not working :-\
20:31<mikegrb>correct me if I am wrong but that bases things on the existing .configure
20:31<mikegrb>er .config
20:32<mechou>mikegrb, correctomundo
20:32<mikegrb>mattfelsen: you might try modprobe config
20:33<mikegrb>if that doesn't work try configure, if that doesn't work, it was worth a shot
20:33<mechou>it assumes you didn't mess with it....
20:33<mikegrb>if that module is available, or maybe it is compiled in you will have a /proc/config that you can 'cat /proc/config > /usr/src/linux/.config'
20:34<mikegrb>giving you a config for the currently running kernel
20:34<mattfelsen>ok, i'll try that
20:35<mikegrb>I normaly build it is a module 'just in case' ;)
20:35<mikegrb>I don't know if distributions do that in their stock kernels
20:35<mechou>mikegrb:, most don't
20:36<mattfelsen>no config module
20:37<mikegrb>:/ worth a shot
20:37<mattfelsen>oh well
20:37<mechou>I don't use deb, but check in /boot for a configuration file
20:38<mechou>some distros back up the config there.
20:38<mattfelsen>hey hey, config-2.4.20-3-k7 exists
20:38<Rule>afaik the vanilla kernel has no /proc/config ?
20:38<mattfelsen>just cp that to /usr/src/linux/.config?
20:39<mechou>sure enough
20:39<mdz>mattfelsen: /boot/config-`uname -r`
20:39<mdz>is where Debian puts the configuration file for kernel-image packages
20:39<mechou>then make oldconfig
20:40<mechou>actually, make menuconfig, loading .config, and change lirc options in menuconfig
20:41<mdz>Chutt: hmm, mythdvd doesn't seem to compile with libdvdread3-dev from unstable
20:41<mattfelsen>cool, i'll try that later; i have to run out now
20:41<mdz>Chutt: what are you using?
20:41<mattfelsen>thanks for the help though, i'm sure i'll get it working one way or another
20:41<mattfelsen>and i hope everyone enjoys my bindings patch :)
20:41<mdz>oh, I had libdvdread2-dev for some reason
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20:46<mdz>I need to handle the databases for the add-ons better
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20:52<Kuwanger>Is anyone here capable of getting RTCW, or the like, running at the same time as when mythbackend is recording a show? RTCW always hangs at the sound initializing for me.
20:53<Kuwanger>Return to Castle Wolfenstein
20:53<mechou>alsa or oss?
20:53<mechou>and are you in kde?
20:53<Kuwanger>Alsa or oss?
20:53<Kuwanger>I'm not in kde.
20:54<Kuwanger>It's an sb live, so sound channels is not the issue.
20:54<mechou>yeah, what sound driver?
20:54<mdz>Chutt: when you do the automatic db stuff, do you plan to do the same with the add-ons?
20:55<mechou>does rtcw work correctly when myth is not recording?
20:56<mechou>you might want to google for mmap
20:58<mdz>Chutt: How's this: f you make it so that I don't ever need to upgrade the databases for the plugins, I will package the rest of them
20:58<mechou>Kuwanger, are you using arstd by any chance?
20:59<Kuwanger>mechou: No.
20:59<Kuwanger>mechou: And it does work when myth isn't recording.
20:59<Kuwanger>artsd or esd running has no bearing on rtcw's ability to run
21:00<mechou>Not necessarily true, dependings if rtcw is using mmap
21:00<Kuwanger>I'm pretty sure it is.
21:01<mikegrb>Wow, make xconfig in 2.6 is pretty, I preferred menuconfig in 2.4 series
21:02<Timon>mikegrb: Its not crappy anymore?
21:02<mechou>Kuwanger, what happens if you try oss driver?
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21:03<Kuwanger>mechou: No idea.
21:03<mechou>I think you ought to give it a shot.
21:04<mechou>I don't have SB live, so can't help you there...
21:05<Kuwanger>It seems odd that it'd be the sound driver.
21:06<mikegrb>Timon, no it's wonderful, has all the option categories in a tree view on the left, the actual options show up on the top right, the help text displays on the right bottom
21:06<Kuwanger>Because the sb live has 32 hardware channels. I'm not sure how the driver would get stuck trying to allocate one to rtcw because some other program was capturing.
21:07<mechou>it only has 32 hw channels if the driver says it has 32 hw channels.
21:08* Kuwangerseems to recall having played rtcw while mythbackend was recording in the background.
21:08<Kuwanger>But, rtcw started before mythbackend began recording.
21:08<mechou>it's not like you have /dev/dsp[0-31]
21:10<Timon>mikegrb: Finally! I'm with you, in 2.4, I used menuconfig
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21:15<mikegrb>Timon: yes, I'm not sure why just gave it a make xconfig for the heck of it
21:15<Timon>I'm glad you did :-)
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21:19<billytwowilly>hi, I'm trying to compile mythdvd and I get this error: dvdinfo.h:16:32: dvdread/dvd_reader.h: No such file or directory
21:19<billytwowilly>dvdinfo.h:17:30: dvdread/ifo_read.h: No such file or directory any idea how to fix?
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21:27<Timon>billytwowilly: You didn't read the directions did you?
21:28<Chutt>mdz, that's what i'm planning on doing
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21:29<tmk>heya chutt
21:29<tmk>how's power?
21:29<Chutt>been fine all day
21:29<tmk>i suppose i meant it more like "how's having power again"
21:29<Chutt>quite nice, actually
21:30<Chutt>i can buy food and i'm not completely broke
21:30<tmk>no atms
21:30<Chutt>and i never carry cash
21:30<tmk>who does?
21:30<tmk>drug dealers. that's who
21:31<Timon>tmk: I carry cash when I buy my ammo. No paper trail . . .
21:31<tmk>it'd be funny if they made possibly security-related purchases cashless
21:31<tmk>so there had to be a paper trail
21:31<tmk>like ammo
21:32<Timon>I wouldn't want that. I don't see how its security related
21:33<tmk>they can know who's got ammo more-or-less
21:33<tmk>"homeland security"
21:33<tmk>hey chutt: is there any way to see which channel-source a listing is from in the guide?
21:33<Timon>tmk: Why would you want that? And that reasoning really doesn't hold true. I know plenty of people who reload.
21:33<Chutt>no, sorry
21:34<Chutt>i only have one channel source, i've never really written code to deal nicely with multiple ones
21:34<tmk>i see
21:34<Chutt>like, aggregating the same channel on different sources
21:34<tmk>i have cable/digital cable
21:34<tmk>myth SEEMS to select all instances of the show on all channels
21:34<tmk>for scheduling
21:34<Chutt>well, depends on how you select it
21:34<tmk>but i want to tell it not to use the digital cable (aka svideo in) unless i specifically request it from that source
21:35<Chutt>i think it'll use the first input
21:35<Chutt>which'll be the tv tuner
21:35<Chutt>in preference to the svideo one
21:35<tmk>what do you mean the first input
21:35<Chutt>the first one on the card
21:36<tmk>svideo is first
21:36<Chutt>or maybe first in the database
21:36<Chutt>it is?
21:36<tmk>it's actually composite
21:36<Chutt>ah well
21:36<tmk>yeah input #0
21:36<Chutt>i dunno
21:36<tmk>tuner is like 4 or 5
21:36<Chutt>you were supposed to tell that guy on the ivtv list that that couldn't possibly be a mythtv bug
21:36<tmk>the vertical line guy?
21:36<Chutt>i like how stuff that can't possibly be my fault gets blamed on me =)
21:37<tmk>sorry i didn't even see that he mentioned myth
21:37<Chutt>though, i did fix that other guy's problems after channel changes
21:37<Chutt>naw, sallright :p
21:37<tmk>i'm running on like 4 hrs sleep in last 28 hrs
21:37<Chutt>'So, maybe this is a mythtv problem?'
21:37<Chutt>i got lots of sleep last night
21:37<tmk>nice and dark eh
21:38<tmk>no hustle and bustle
21:38<Chutt>my dumbass neighbors were lighting off fireworks
21:39<Chutt>until 2 or so
21:39<Chutt>and there was tons of traffic
21:39<tmk>chutt: how do you plan on sending data to the decoder when it's working
21:39<tmk>frame at a time?
21:39<Chutt>stupid people
21:39<Chutt>i dunno
21:39<Chutt>haven't decided, really
21:39<Chutt>what would be best?
21:39<tmk>big chunks of data are always nice
21:39<Chutt>can i poll/select on it to see if it's ready for more?
21:39<tmk>decoder is kind of detached from the real-world
21:40<tmk>yeah i had a feeling you'd want non-blocking i/o
21:40<Chutt>need to be able to interrupt it
21:40<Chutt>i can send relatively large chunks
21:40<Chutt>no problem
21:40<Chutt>i'm reading in 128k chunks in the first place =)
21:40<tmk>i found some nice code to byteswap and copy to internal buffers at the same time
21:42<Chutt>though i suppose i'll probably do some stream parsing decode time
21:42<Chutt>but i can easily reassemble stuff
21:44<tmk>well the decoder really doesn't care
21:45<tmk>it has internaal buffering
21:45<Chutt>just as long as i send it fast enough?
21:46<Chutt>well, i'll just play around with it to see what works best
21:47<tmk>turns out x86 > 386 has a byteswap instruction
21:47<Timon>tmk: doesn't it also have a wordswap? I seem to remember from my assembly days
21:48<tmk>timon: yeah it's a 32 bit ABCD -> DBCA instruction
21:48<Timon>ok, then its a dwordswap
21:48<tmk>1 line of asm to byteswap AND memcpy
21:48<tmk>i'm lovin' it
21:49<Timon>I always loved assembly
21:49<tmk>i may convert the rest of the code to use it (i have swab()'s a few places)
21:50<bline>swab heh
21:51<tmk>swab32 to be precise
21:51<bline>what's up tmk?
21:51<tmk>i didn't get a chance to code much last night
21:52<tmk>had to work all night long :<!
21:52<bline>yeah, me either. workin on a file sharing system
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22:00<mdz>tmk: I handle that situation by splitting up my channels across the two sources
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22:00<mdz>tmk: the analog channels exist only on the analog source
22:00<mdz>and the digital-only channels on the digital source
22:00<tmk>so i have to manually delete them
22:01<tmk>i can do that i s'pose
22:01<mdz>I've never had any reason to record something via digital that I could get from analog
22:01<tmk>same here
22:01<mdz>less potential for error, what with having to use IR and all that
22:01<tmk>yeah my issue is also that i don't even have IR
22:01<mdz>and I could watch something else on the digital tuner while it records
22:01<tmk>i have my fingers
22:02<mdz>tmk: what kind of set top?
22:02<mdz>the DCT-2000?
22:02<tmk>think so
22:02<mdz>you can hook up a serial cable to it and control it that way
22:02<tmk>oh yeah?
22:02<mikegrb>gossamar-threads ;)
22:03<tmk>bah! :)
22:03<tmk>gossamer-threads anyways isn't it
22:03<mdz>is it that one?
22:04<tmk>what about the IR port in it
22:04<tmk>anyone haxed that yet?
22:04<mdz>someone dropped by the channel once and described the protocol as he reverse-engineered it
22:04<mdz>I have it saved in a text file and have been meaning to write a script out of it
22:04<mdz>but I actually don't have a spare serial cable to hook up
22:04<mdz>shall I send you the file?
22:04<tmk>please do
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22:05<mdz>if it works out for you, please send me your control program and I'll include it in myth's contrib dir
22:06<tmk>is there a pinout in the chat
22:06<tmk>or do i get to guess
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22:16<mdz>I believe it's RS-232
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22:20<tmk>ya prolly
22:21<tmk>is mythweb installed by default?
22:32<FryGuy>isn't it DB9?
22:35<tmk>rs232 is a protocol
22:35<tmk>db9 is a connector
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22:44<mdz>tmk: mythweb ships separately from mythtv
22:44<mdz>separate tarball
22:44<mdz>(or binary package)
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23:44<tmk>chutt: you have any plans to highlight the browse menu to indicate teh show type (ie movie/sprts/etc)
23:50<Markos>anybody getting empty entries with mythvideo?