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14:40<Chutt>mdz, don't you have access to change that?
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15:08<bbeattie>Chutt: my error for the problems I was having. Somehow /dev/video wasn't symlinked to /dev/dtv anymore. And I forgot that if you set a card to anything but a valid item in the listing, it defaults back to /dev/video. I'll have to write a patch to allow /dev/dtv as a valid card device listing
15:08<Chutt>ah, good
15:09<Chutt>nothing major broken, then =)
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16:24<bbeattie>To get cvs from 13 days ago, is 'cvs update -D 13 days ago should give me cvs as of
16:26<bbeattie>'cvs update -D 13 days ago' the command? the command? this doesn't seem to update files as per the man, (The latest cvs gives me an "Unknown codec 7" when trying to watch atsc streams now.
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17:17<sfr>Chutt ping
17:21<mikegrb><Chutt> Pong!
17:22<sfr>mikegrb this ball is OUT! 15-0 sfr
17:22<mikegrb>well I was talking irc client server communications
17:23<sfr>they do it like that?
17:23<mikegrb>they used to, 6ish years ago I would assume still so, the server sends a PING and the client responds with a PONG
17:24<mikegrb>then you get: fromLag [] has quit [Ping timeout: 240
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17:25<sfr>but you attempted a man-in-the-middle attack , evil you!
17:27* mikegrb is on it
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17:30<krondor>I've got a question about lirc.. I've got lirc working and irw shows activity when I push remote buttons.. How do I get mythttv to use it? I've pushed remote buttons in mythtv with no response.
17:31<bbeattie>Chutt: Encapsulate all the internal video buffers into their own struct (used to just
17:31<bbeattie>be a raw unsigned char *). Hopefully, I didn't break anything with this. - You did. ;) (I think.. did you remember about ATSC/HDTV?)
17:31<bbeattie>mythtv commit on avformatfdecoder.cpp on august 5th,
17:35<Chutt>i don't think that touched any of the hdtv specific code
17:35<bbeattie>I get an Unknown Codec: 7 error when trying to play streams.
17:36<Chutt>works fine here
17:36<Chutt>try doing a make distclean
17:36<bbeattie>I'm checking through all the latest cvs commits to see what else may have caused this.
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17:36<sfr>Chutt didn't like the id3 tag version option?
17:36<bbeattie>I'm regetting the whole cvs archive.
17:37<Chutt>sfr, i thought it was rather redundant, yeah
17:37<Chutt>any specific reason not to write both?
17:37<bbeattie>I'll let you know when that's done. Maybe it just got into a bad state
17:37<sfr>Chutt, yes, some tools will only read one version if it's there and ignore the other. so i wanted a clear situation.
17:38<Chutt>they should read the v2 tag if it's there
17:38<Chutt>and fall back on the v1
17:39<Chutt>with the v1 tag being as limited as it is, there's really no reason to even write it except to support older apps that don't do v2
17:39<sfr>Chutt, _should_ but real-live is different you know. it doesn't add much overhead anyway
17:39<Chutt>i think the option's silly.
17:39<Chutt>and any app that doesn't deal with both is broken.
17:39<sfr>Chutt, i don't have a problem leaving out v1 tags completely ;)
17:40<Chutt>if you want it to be v2 only, that's fine with me
17:40<sfr>Chutt i'm currently improving the ripped-file location options
17:41<sfr>in the upcoming patch should i add the id3tag stuff too (to only write v2 tags)
17:41<Chutt>sure, that's fine
17:42<sfr>anyone still need v1 id3 tags in mythmusic?
17:42<bbeattie>Chutt: off the top of your head, do you know if there is suppoer for changing between subchannels of an mpeg2 TS stream in libavcodec, or mythtv?
17:43<Chutt>bbeattie, certainly not in mythtv, i'm not sure about libavformat
17:44<Chutt>and i'm pretty sure your problem just needed a make distclean
17:45<Chutt>libavcodec.h changed and all the codec id's got bumped up one, so CODEC_ID_AC3, which was 9 before is 10 now
17:45<Chutt>err, other way 'round
17:45<Chutt>it was 7 and now it's 8
17:47<Chutt>bline, howdy
17:49* bline wipes the sleep out of his eyes
17:49<bline>ugg, I slept for 9 hours
17:50<sfr>Chutt what's the purpose of the PostCDRipScript if it doesn't get a list of new files?
17:51<Chutt>i don't know
17:51<Chutt>ask the guy on the list that wanted that
17:52<sfr>and you deny users selecting id3 tags version ;)
18:16<mikegrb>sfr: I think it was so he could make it eject
18:16<mikegrb>not certain but I think he didn't want to have to keep checking to see if it was done so make it eject and you will hear it
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18:17<sfr>mikegrb ah, could be.
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18:55<mikegrb>Chutt: you around?
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19:21<mdz>Chutt: no, I don't think I can change permissions in the repository. I don't own those files
19:22<mdz>CVS doesn't let you do it; it needs to be done by hand
19:35<mattfelsen>when you mark a channel as a favorite, there's no visual confirmation. that kinda sucks
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19:50<Chutt>mdz, ah, ok, think i've got em all fixed
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20:22<mattfelsen>need some advice...i was thinking about adding a feature to the guide where it'll select the channel you enter. however, the current methods of switching to either the prog finder or to showing only favorites would have to be changed. i was thinking that repeatedly pressing m would cycle between all 3. comments?
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20:49<Captain_Murdoch>mattfelsen: what do you mean by "select the channel you enter"? you mean hit '1' then '0' then something to goto channel 10? I'd like something like 'M' to toggle between All/Favorites/Finder. that's something like DishNetwork receivers do when you keep hitting 'Guide', they cycle between your favorites lists. would probably help in the future if/when someone implements multiple favorites lists (so different family members can h
20:49<Captain_Murdoch> list.
20:55<mattfelsen>yea, sorry about the ambiguity...hitting 1 then 0 would highlight channel 10 in the guide
20:55<mattfelsen>assuming that you have less than 100 channels
20:55<mattfelsen>so i guess the repeated m thing is a good implementation
21:01<mdz>where did the IMDB link in mythweb go?
21:02<paulproteus|lapt>to Hell and beyond!
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21:08<EricL>I can't seem to apt-get install mythtv with debian because I don't use just woody. Does anyone konw of an apt source that was built for sarge?
21:09<paulproteus|lapt>EricL: apt-get install mythtv/unstable ?
21:11<EricL>paulproteus|lapt: I need the apt source though.
21:12<paulproteus|lapt>(for example)
21:12* paulproteus|lapt checks to make sure
21:12<paulproteus|lapt>deb unstable mythtv
21:12<paulproteus|lapt>That looks relevant :)
21:12<EricL>I am pretty well versed with Debian...
21:12<paulproteus|lapt>I guess it's not Debian proper.
21:13<mdz>EricL: there are packages built for stable and unstable
21:13<EricL>Hmm, I had woody in there and tried sarge (since I run mostly sarge)
21:13<mdz>EricL: the unstable packages _may_ work with sarge; I haven't kept track of which qt and such are currently in sarge
21:13<mdz>EricL: if they don't, then there are source packages at the same place
21:14<mdz>EricL: there is a link to the unstable packages on the same page that has the woody packages.
21:15<mikegrb>Chutt: you around?
21:15<EricL>mdz: The unstable requires I upgrade libc (and a lot of other stuff).
21:16<EricL>mdz: The woody package won't work at all because libqt3-mt is a virtual package and I have the packages that meet that virtual dependency installed.
21:16<EricL>However, it doesn't see that virtual dependency as being filled.
21:18<EricL>I have no idea how I am gonna get it installed.
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21:29<mattfelsen>grab the source packages
21:30<paulproteus|lapt>Nice. :)
21:30<mikegrb>paulproteus|lapt: it's a little slow running on my home system but I plan on moving it
21:31<EricL>mattfelsen: I have never built Debian packages from source before...
21:31<mikegrb>I wan't to talk to chut about it, make sure it is okay with him... would serve the same purpose kind of as the gosamar threads archive
21:31<EricL>I am trying it right now, but it doesn't seem to be working with the source packages.
21:32<paulproteus|lapt>Yeah, mikegrb.
21:32<mikegrb>like last week when people kept comming in and asking for instructions to apply the tv_grab patch
21:32<paulproteus|lapt>I suggest putting up a Wiki.
21:32<mikegrb>well I know chutt doesn't like wiki's
21:32<paulproteus|lapt>Really? That's interesting.
21:32<paulproteus|lapt>Golly, I wonder why.
21:33<mikegrb>heh I'm kind of on the fence, seeing both sides, though leaning a bit against them but just based on the implementations I've seen
21:33<paulproteus|lapt>moinmoin ? TWiki?
21:33<paulproteus|lapt>Anyway, I'm having strange problems, the discussion of which is mosly off-topic.
21:34<paulproteus|lapt>But I doubt that'll stop me
21:34<paulproteus|lapt>I just jammed a DWL-120 USB WiFi adapter into the Xbox.
21:34<paulproteus|lapt>It gets detected as eth1, hooray.
21:34<paulproteus|lapt>But when I unplug the ethernet cable, I can't access the Xbox, even from the WiFi IP.
21:35<mattfelsen>EricL: in your apt sources, add a deb-src line for the myth packages
21:35<mattfelsen>then apt-get -b source mythtv
21:35<mattfelsen>or similar
21:35<mikegrb>I'm liking the log output, it puts an a name on each time-stamp for searching
21:35<paulproteus|lapt>Yeah, but it's so unstructured.
21:36<paulproteus|lapt>Quick structure is why I like Wikis.
21:36<mikegrb>yes, I can always massage it
21:37<mikegrb>the web output for the logs
21:37<mdz>EricL: as I said, you can always install from source if you don't want to upgrade the dependencies
21:37<paulproteus|lapt>Well, if you're going to do that, you may as well toss 'em into a Wiki!
21:38<mdz>EricL: libqt3-mt as a virtual package won't satisfy the dependencies because it requires a specific version
21:38<mikegrb>heh, I believe this perl based one has a wiki plugin
21:38<paulproteus|lapt>That's bizarre, but probably acceptable.
21:38<mikegrb>oh well... time to head outside
21:38<paulproteus|lapt>But MoinMoin has {{{ }}} , which is magical.
21:38* mikegrb heads out for a smoke
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21:43<mattfelsen>installing from cvs really isn't hard
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21:44<mattfelsen>i was using the debs for a few days and the external channel change command wasn't being run, and i didn't want to use cvs because i thought it'd be too's really not a big deal though
21:44<mattfelsen>all the dependencies are available in debian proper, just as the docs say
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21:45<EricL>mattfelsen: I added it and d/l the src's already, I just don'
21:46<krondor>is there anyway to make my pvr 250 flip channels faster in mythtv? That delay gets annoying.
21:46<EricL>t know how to build the deb.
21:46<EricL>mdz: Requires as in = or requires as in >= ?
21:46<mattfelsen>well if you already downloaded the src deb, you can use dpkg-deb
21:47<mattfelsen>dpkg-deb -h or --help for info
21:47<mdz>EricL: >=
21:47<mdz>EricL: doesn't matter; virtual packages never satisfy a versioned dependency
21:47<mdz>EricL: to build the deb, do "apt-get build-dep mythtv && apt-get source -b mythtv"
21:48<EricL>mdz: Thanks, I am running that now.
21:48<mdz>hmm, mattfelsen already told you that
21:48<mdz>EricL: I recommend reading over the APT HOWTO
21:48<mdz>it explains this kind of thing
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21:55<Chutt>mdz, did i get all the +x files in there?
21:56<mdz>Chutt: dunno, I'd have to do a fresh checkout to find out
21:56<mdz>cvs is really dumb about permissions
21:56<mdz>I changed them in my local repository and working directory already
21:57<Timon>Chutt: I'm getting ready to send the patches for the updated LCD stuff. Want them at the list, or your personal or both?
21:57<Chutt>doesn't matter
21:57<Chutt>i'm more likely to see it to the lists
21:57<Timon>works for me
21:58<mattfelsen>mdz: `apt-get build-dep pkg` will install all dependencies for the given package?
21:58<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt, is it OK if I move TV::calcSliderPos from tv_play.cpp to NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp. I'm modifying the commercial skip info on the OSD to show the new position and total time and don't want to duplicate that code from tv_play.cpp
21:58<Chutt>sure, i guess
21:58<Captain_Murdoch>most of the stuff in there just calls functions from the player and recorder anyway.
21:59<mikegrb>Chutt: So, got a question for you <g>, are you opposed to a bot logging this channel that allows a web page for people to search the logs for help?
21:59<Chutt>that's fine
21:59* mikegrb points at mythfan
21:59<Chutt>bots must be silent, though
21:59<mattfelsen>mmm perlbot
22:00<mattfelsen>why not fill it with factoids?
22:00<mikegrb>you can see the stock web stuff at It's a bit slow but I'm planning on moving it to another server once I redo the web pages
22:00<mikegrb>Chutt: yes, planned on it being silent... lemme check to see if it will talk in the channel
22:01<mikegrb>!calc 12312/23
22:01<mikegrb>:-) silent
22:01<Chutt>i will ban it if it gets chattery, just a warning :p
22:02<mattfelsen>anyone have an idea why nothing in my .xinitrc is being picked up?
22:02<mikegrb>heh no, problem... don't want it to talk <g>... though you can search logs and request specific times ver irc as /msgs ... I'll put all those details on the web
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22:11<mattfelsen>Chutt: is there a way to make menu buttons top-aligned via theme/ui.xml, or is that hard-coded in themedmenu.cpp?
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22:38<mdz>mattfelsen: all of the build-time dependencies, not the installation dependencies
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22:49<Kuwanger>Apparently however mythbackend determines how to record audio is along the same lines as starcraft.
22:53<Kuwanger>I should say, how it determines if it can..
22:57* Kuwanger just had a crazy idea..
22:58<Kuwanger>Does every thread get a hardware channel?
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23:03<srl>Hmm, didn't pgdn used to work in MythGame?
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23:09<mattfelsen>wee, got my buttons top-aligned
23:10<Kuwanger>Well, after some checking, I'm pretty sure that's a no.
23:12<mattfelsen>anyone know which theme this is and what its status is?
23:15* Kuwanger wonders how wine opens the sound device..
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23:26<paulproteus>/dev/dsp by default, kw
23:26<paulproteus>/dev/dsp by default, Kuwanger
23:26<Timon>mattfelsen: Its the Iulius theme
23:27<paulproteus>But it's configurable in your winerc.
23:27<Kuwanger>paulproteus: I meant if it uses mmap or not.
23:27<Kuwanger>paulproteus: I'm wonder if mmap blocks the record channel and if there's only one such channel for an emu10k1.
23:28<Chutt>kuwanger, mmap generally blocks everything else
23:29<Kuwanger>I'm also wondering how to enable volume on the record source in oss without hearing it directly through Line.
23:30<Kuwanger>Ah..don't have to.
23:30<Kuwanger>Chutt: :(
23:30<Kuwanger>Chutt: Wish there was a way around that.
23:32<Kuwanger>Ah, need to leave igain on.
23:38<mattfelsen>Timon: and i'm guessing it's out-of-date since it's not up on the themes page
23:38<Timon>mattfelsen: Probably, don't remember who made it originally
23:39<mattfelsen>i'm searching the archives now
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23:46<srl>Chutt: Would pgdown be easy to add to mythgame?
23:53<Kuwanger>Well, woo. :)
23:53<Kuwanger>The oss driver doesn't have a problem with this.
23:54<Kuwanger>So, I can apparently play rtcw and record.
23:56<srl>Chutt: Or is it done through libmyth and adding pgdown will mess up mythmusic?
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