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00:16<mikegrb>Chutt: you around... I think I have a solution that will be acceptable
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00:31<phar0e>Does Chris from Forevermore stop by IRC ever?
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00:37<mikegrb>I don't think so
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01:21<Timon>Whats up with mythvideo? videomanager.h:9:30: mythtv/httpcomms.h: No such file or directory
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01:21<Timon>Just did a cvs update
01:21<mikegrb>Timon: what version of qt do you have?
01:22<Timon>ohh, its missing mythtv/httpcomms
01:22<Timon>I should update mythtv. . .
01:22<mikegrb>there are some qt issues too, it was switched from Qurl to Qhttp or some such
01:23<Timon>Why can't the damn computer antisipate what needs to be done . . .
01:23<mikegrb>so headers could be added
01:23<Timon>yeah, read that in the logs.
01:23<mikegrb>heh... save that for 30 yrs in the future
01:23<Timon>that, or the mythesp module I spoke about 1.5 months ago :-)
01:24<mikegrb>havn't seen anything more about that, how is that comming along? ;)
01:25<Timon>mikegrb: You obviously have more than enough free time, being as your on IRC. I demand you get working on the ESP module :-)
01:26<Timon>I also demand you make mtyh work seemlessly with my fat32 partition and make the files rotate @ 2gb
01:26<mikegrb>hmm... apearantly it won't work... if it would it should have anticipated it's need and written itself
01:26<Timon>hahahaha, your smart :-)
01:26<mikegrb>I pretend to be sometimes, you wouldn't believe how stupid some people are who get to set at the control panel of a nuclear reactor
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01:27* mikegrb points at mikegrb ;)
01:28<Timon>You sit at the cp of a nuke reactor?
01:28<mikegrb>not at the moment, I'm at the cp of my laptop but yes
01:28<Timon>wow, you sterile yet :-)
01:28<mikegrb>I'm in the navy, a nuclear power electronics technician
01:29<mikegrb>funny you should say that, just found out today my wife is preagnant
01:29<Timon>"Your in the Army now, your not behind a plow. Get out of the ditch you son-of-a-bitch; your in the army now"
01:29<Timon>haha, congrats!
01:30<Timon>my wife and I are practicing affuly hard to get prego. We want kids!
01:31<mikegrb>we'd been working at it for almost a year, well since christmas, my wife has endometriosis(sp?) so it makes things hard
01:31<mikegrb>looks like mplayer-skin might be a copy of mplayer-gui <g>
01:31<mikegrb>er sorry wrong win
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01:33<Timon>I understand that. We've been working on it since late nov 2002. Her dr said if we've not concieved by this time next year to come in. My wifes got some med problems as well.
01:35<Timon>One of my best friends, his wife is due to have twins any day now. Twin girls no less.
01:36<Timon>I couldn't imagine having twins
01:38<echo>well, mythtv works on my machine! except for the sound.
01:39<echo>the video is also jumpy in live tv mode.
01:41<Timon>what speed machine, what vc?
01:41<echo>Radeon 7500, STB TV/PCI Athlon 1.4Ghz 256MB ram
01:41<Timon>err what capture card
01:41<echo>Debian unstable.
01:41<echo>STB TV/PCI
01:42<echo>card works good in tvtime.
01:42<Timon>whats the cpu load on the machine when using myth?
01:42<Timon>what recording/livetv settings are you using?
01:42<echo>there's a rouge kdeinit from a previous login running
01:43<echo>lemme try without that eating all the CPU ;)
01:43<Timon>that *may* help :-)
01:43<echo>that's what it was.
01:43<echo>okay, so.. do we require alsa to work?
01:44<echo>cause I'm using oss.
01:44<Timon>from what I understand, myth uses oss
01:44<echo>well, I guess I need to run the output of my tv card into the sound card though ;)
01:44<Timon>Probably, unless your tv card supports btaudio
01:45<Timon>in which case load the btaudio modules
01:45<Timon>err module
01:45<echo>the tvaudio driver is loaded.
01:45<Timon>what about the btaudio driver?
01:46<echo>I don't seem to have that module
01:46<Timon>you may have to compile it
01:46<Timon>from the bttv source
01:46<echo>I bet my card doesn't support it, it's an old card.
01:46<echo>it's an 848
01:47<echo>well, anyway, I eventually want to get mythtv working with DirecTV on the S-Video input.
01:47<Timon>some of the 848 cards did support btaudio. AKA PCI Bus Mastering Audio
01:47<echo>anyone using DirecTV with mythtv?
01:48<Timon>lots of people. Check the mailing list for the scripts to control the direct tv box. I belive robert kuglowskey (sp?) is updating the doc's to reflect some of htis.
01:48<echo>I found some perl scripts, but I guess I need to build a cable.
01:49<Timon>doesn't a null modem cable work?
01:49<echo>right now I'm using a tivo with directv, but I'd like to build an alternative.
01:49<echo>I dunno, haven't tried yet.
01:49<Timon>or a serial straight through
01:49<echo>I noticed that mythtv doesn't do "season" passes yet :(
01:50<Timon>echo: Write the code to do it :-)
01:50<echo>also the tivo categorizes the shows. is that possible with mythtv?
01:50<Timon>It kind of does. If you tell it to record any episode of friends on nbc, it will record all episodes of friends that haven't been previously recorded (you can fix that too).
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01:51<Timon>echo: Sure, you just need to write the code. The data from zap2it is catoragized
01:51<mikegrb>echo: sort of has season pass, just select record all
01:51<echo>like, movie, drame, sitcom, sci-fi, murder mystery etc?
01:51<mikegrb>if an episode airs that has already been recorded it will skip it
01:52<mikegrb>well categories show up in the programming guide
01:52<mikegrb>diff colored squares
01:52<mikegrb>Yhea!!! I just finished updating my irc log parsing perl scripts
01:52<echo>btw, who runs zap2it and would they ever stop putting out listings?
01:53<mikegrb>now I have searchable logs for this channel and some others at
01:53<mikegrb>it's a company
01:53<echo>might they start charging?
01:53<mikegrb>I think it has been said that they don't really mind people pulling there listings like this as long as they don't sell the data
01:53<echo>well, right now.
01:53<echo>because thier servers aren't getting hammered yet.
01:54<mikegrb>I dunno xmltv is used by a lot of projects and therefor people
01:54<mikegrb>windows and linux
01:54<echo>mikegrb: exactly my point.
01:54<echo>mikegrb: the more popular it gets, the more zap2it might consider charging.
01:54<phar0e>does it even generate that much traffic?
01:55<echo>like drug dealers, giving you free access to get your hooked.
01:58<echo>I'm just being a pessimist.
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02:00<echo>are the fonts in mythtv sposed to be anti-aliased or not?
02:01<Chutt>they're antialiased if you have X setup properly.
02:01<echo>I get aa fonts in everything else.
02:01<echo>like gnome12 and kde 3
02:01<echo>er 2
02:01<Chutt>qt just uses standard xrender stuff.
02:01<Chutt>and mythtv just uses qt.
02:01<mikegrb>Chutt: quick question... would a system call to an external binary okay for changing the LED... since I am caching the last value I set it to it would only get called when needed
02:02<Chutt>mikegrb, that's fine by me, but it should really be a kernel module.
02:02<mikegrb>the gentoo distribution already distributes it, ed is probably going to include it in his debian too
02:02<mikegrb>Chutt: preaching to the choir <G>
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02:02<phar0e>does mythtv look any better at a certain resolution?
02:02<echo>well, it's not AA here.
02:03<mikegrb>I've been messing with my irc log stuff tonight... I'll put together a patch for you tommorow
02:03<Chutt>then you don't have qt setup right.
02:03<Chutt>it's really nothing at all to do with mythtv.
02:03<phar0e>echo, I'm trying to get my fonts in Mythtv smoother as well..
02:03* echo copies his .qt/qtrc from his other account.
02:03<Chutt>run qtconfig and make sure the default fonts aren't set to something crappy.
02:04<echo>that did it.
02:04<mikegrb>Chutt: I gave up on the irc bot idea, I rewrote the web log access to process my clients log files (irssi) so there are now stabile, searchable logs at
02:04<mikegrb>figured my client is damn stabile
02:05<Chutt>so you basically had aa turned off :p
02:05<echo>it should be on by default :P stupid qt.
02:05<linagee>argh. why is my mythtv now tuning into the wrong channels? is it a bad thing to be running test_ioctl with the same parameters every 8 minutes or so?
02:05<Chutt>linagee, you shouldn't be running test_ioctl at all.
02:05<linagee>Chutt: no?
02:06<linagee>Chutt: not even to mess with the bitrate and stuff?
02:06<Chutt>why would you mess with the bitrate every 8 minutes?
02:06<linagee>Chutt: i have a crontab that says to run /etc/init.d/mythbackend start every 8 minutes. because had not enough time to find some other way
02:06<Chutt>why the hell would you do that?
02:07<linagee>i want to make sure mythbackend starts back up if it dies. (it does sometimes.)
02:07<Chutt>get a backtrace.
02:07<Chutt>of the crash.
02:07<phar0e>I got visor transparency working :)) thanks chutt
02:08* mikegrb scrolls up to see what phar0e did ;)
02:08<linagee>Chutt: it was some silly error. i think it might have been a remote drive disconnecting when i used to do that
02:08<phar0e>mikegrb, qtconfig =))
02:08<Chutt>linagee, why not run mythbackend in a while (1) loop in a shell script?
02:08<linagee>Chutt: now that i don't use remote drives anymore.... i guess i can just hope mythbackend does not crash?
02:08<mikegrb>it's all good on my desktop frontend... gonna try that on the xbox
02:08<Chutt>like a normal person would do if they were worried about a process exiting.
02:09<linagee>Chutt: like i said, yes the crontab thing was a quick and dirty thing. didn't put a whole lot of seconds of the day into that...
02:09<Timon>mikegrb == michael greb?
02:09* linagee messes with his crontab
02:10<Chutt>there's a difference between quick and dirty and utterly broken.
02:10<Timon>Timon == DanM == Dan morphis
02:10<linagee>Chutt: i payed the price. :( my shows didn't record because for some odd reason it was tuned to the wrong channel.
02:10<Chutt>probably because running mythbackend resets the channel to the default.
02:11<Chutt>it doesn't check if it can run until later in the startup process.
02:11<linagee>hrm... :(
02:11<linagee>that makes sense
02:11<mikegrb>Timon: ohh... the lcd guy <g>
02:11<mikegrb>did I ever respond to your most recent email?
02:11<Timon>Yup :-)
02:12<Timon>mikegrb: I don't think so :-)
02:12<mikegrb>okay sorry... I really was planning on doing that
02:12<mikegrb>got tied up with the lcd list
02:12* mikegrb adds that to the todo list for tommorow
02:13<mikegrb>Chutt: what package is qtconfig part of in debian, or is called something else?
02:13<Timon>don't worry. I've had emails for Steven Finnegan and Edward Wildgoose sitting in my inbox :-)
02:13<Timon>I've been busy with collge/work/family/friends
02:14* mikegrb types locate qt | grep config
02:14<linagee>Chutt: wow. that solves that. i have to delete everything i had now. now that i have all this free time from not watching mythtv, i can do my physics homework. :)
02:14<Timon>mikegrb: In all likelyhood, I would have sat on your email for at least a week, so I'm not worried :-)
02:14<Chutt>apt-cache search qtconfig
02:15<mikegrb>thanks for the pointer.. didn't find anything though... trying the package database on the web
02:15* mikegrb is knew to debian but really likes it
02:15<Chutt>in unstable, at least.
02:15<mikegrb>that's it
02:16<mikegrb>I have a few unstable packages but most of the stuff is stable
02:16<mikegrb>if it aint broke don't fix it <g>
02:17<mikegrb>ugh, that will move me to qt2... guess I'll get qt3-qtconfig
02:17<mikegrb>thanks chutt
02:17<linagee>chutt knows all. :)
02:19<phar0e>I used qtconfig, but my fonts weren't affected, but I got the transparency I needed
02:20<linagee>is there a way to delete the show you are watching? just stop playing it, delete it, then back to the menu?
02:22<linagee>n0000. :( enterprise didn't record because of my stupid misconfiguration and lack of disk space. :(
02:24<phar0e>I hate when that happens :<
02:25<linagee>phar0e: i have a 120gb drive i can hook in (only a 20gb one in there right now) but the 120gb one is full of... stuff... :)
02:26* mikegrb thinks linagee should 'truncate' his pr0n collection
02:27<linagee>mikegrb: !!!!! noooo....
02:27<linagee>mikegrb: porn or lots of tv recording space...
02:28<linagee>mikegrb: i've got it. i can just buy a large harddrive, then someone else can pay my bills this month! woohoo! :)
02:28<phar0e>I'm happy on my purchase of two 120Giggers I just put in
02:29<linagee>phar0e: isn't it more price efficient for 160gig-ers now? :)
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02:31<phar0e>about $100 each, it seemed better, and they were 8meg cache drives which enticed me
02:32<bobnvic>I recompiled with native lirc support, but I get mythtv: could not connect to socket and connection refused errors when starting mythfrontend. /dev/lircd has permissions srw-rw-rw- with owner root. irxevent has no trouble started as user (not root). I followed the instructions in the faq to chmod 666 /dev/lircd, but it made no difference (I'm pretty sure it was already set to 666). Does anyone have any suggestions that I can try?
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02:34<linagee>250gb - $221 price per gig: $0.88400 200gb - $169 price per gig: $0.84500
02:34<linagee>180gb - $144 price per gig: $0.80000 160gb - $109 price per gig: $0.68125
02:34<linagee>120gb - $84 price per gig: $0.70000 100gb - $85 price per gig: $0.85000
02:34<linagee>80gb - $62 price per gig: $0.77500
02:35<linagee>as you can see, there is a sweet spot at 160gb. :)
02:35<linagee>(prices are from
02:53<phar0e>but those 160gb drives aren't 8 meg cache
02:53<phar0e>I see a lot of performance gain with 4x more cache
02:53<phar0e>and in my experience they have been quieter as well
03:03<mikegrb>phar0e: was there anything in particular you did in qtconfig or just run through it to get the transparency stuff working
03:03<mikegrb>nothing is jumping out at me
03:06<phar0e>I added the plugin path to /usr/lib/qt-3.1.2/plugins and I set the theme to Windows, and font to Lucida Sans
03:06<phar0e>just those three things, then clicked Save
03:08<mikegrb>well thanks I'll give it a shot :-)
03:09<mikegrb>already had the plugin path
03:09<mikegrb>upgraded qt though
03:09<mikegrb>thanks for the pointers
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03:35<linagee>phar0e: FDB is FDB. it has nothing to do with the cache size
03:36<linagee>phar0e: also, afaik, large caches only help when accessing lots of small files, not large contigous files.. afiak....
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07:24<sfr>anyone else awake? just updated to the latest CVS, now mythbackend doesn't detach from the terminal when started with --daemon.
07:34<sfr>ok, in addition qt complains: QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used. when starting mythbackend that is.
07:37<mikegrb>the qpixmap is probably related to the png preview generation code
07:38<mikegrb>I didn't see the change to --daemon discussed or mentioned in a bug
07:38<sfr>mikegrb: on the backend?
07:38<mikegrb>it generates the preview thumbnail and sends it to the frontend
07:38<mikegrb>did you do a make clean distclean?
07:38<sfr>mikegrb: might be debian related. i'm on unstable.
07:39<mikegrb>I dunno, chutt uses debian so if anything I would expect it to work there
07:40<mikegrb>at this time of the morning though the mailing list might be better
07:40<sfr>mikegrb: i'll dig around in the source a little first.
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09:08<sfr>got it. the --verbose command swallowed my --daemon command as --verbose now needs an argument with it. Gr, libcppopt0 exists damn it. ;)
09:09<sfr>mdz, mdz_: remember to change --verbose --daemon to --verbose blah -daemon in your start-up script.
09:10<sfr>Chutt: i'll see if i can come up with a patch to main.cpp to fix it.
09:11<mdz>sfr: eek
09:11* sfr loves perl only because CPAN exists :)
09:18<mdz>sfr: I don't have --verbose in my startup script by default
09:18<mdz>it's commented out in /etc/defaut/mythtv-backend, and when it is uncommented it gets appended to the end of the list of arguments
09:18<mdz>I guess I should update the example to have an argument, whatever that argument is supposed to be
09:19<sfr>mdz: sorry then, i once copied it from your start-up script. must have added it manually then.
09:19<mdz>what's a good default?
09:19<sfr>mdz: see mythbackend -h
09:19<mdz>I don't have a current cvs build and it takes forever
09:20<sfr>mdz: don't know yet, the help isn't really helpfull. you might check the -dev archive. there's been some discussion about it iirc
09:22<sfr>it should be save to asume that no commands argument starts with a '-'
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09:35<thor___>rkulagow, re: your e-mail, I'd be happty to put some docs together for MythDVD ....
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09:40<rkulagow>thor: coolio. i had already started some stuff. i don't know why (brain-o on my part), but i couldn't figure out why i wasn't able to press the "button" that was at the bottom of the screen. turns out that you need to press zero to start. but of course, you already know that. i'm recompiling now, and need to fix lirc first, and after that i'll start playing with mythdvd again.
09:42<thor___>rkulagow, I'll put down some basics and try and get you something later today. Want to explain how the tables work for setting recording parameters .... other people *should* be sending suggestions for VCD and SVCD settings ( for example). This suggests to me that few people understand how it works. Hopefully some docs will help (?) ...
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10:10<extremis>what is the CVS module name for the new mythweb?
10:12<mdz_>vektor: whoa, there, what are all these .dlls doing in your CVS tree?
10:13<vektor>mdz: CVS includes a lot of stuff that isn't in the dist, but even our dist includes a few DLLs.
10:13<mdz_>and wine source code?
10:13<vektor>Those are from DScaler.
10:13<vektor>We support some DScaler filters that have not been ported to Linux.
10:13<vektor>See COPYING.DScaler in data/ btw.
10:13<mdz_>I thought dscaler was open source
10:14<vektor>It is.
10:14<vektor>If you'd like to port TomsMoComp then feel free.
10:14<vektor>It's like a billion lines of macros of intel-style assembly.
10:15<vektor>I haven't had time to do it, and someone gave me code that uses the libwine fork in xine that can load the DLLs.
10:15<mdz_>I don't think it'll fly on debian-legal
10:15<vektor>It will, read COPYING.DScaler.
10:15<vektor>We spent a long time on this.
10:15<vektor>And we got the DSacler author to give us a GPL exemption.
10:16<vektor>Since we're using code you can't compile under Linux.
10:17<bline>hey vektor, you ever find that term?
10:17<vektor>bline: No I didn't, I've been thinking about it though :)
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10:21<bline>need to figure out why recorded programs in mythweb hangs
10:23<jkolb>Do you have previews turned on?
10:24<jkolb>If it has to generate a lot of previews, it may look like it's hanging.
10:25<bline>unless mythweb doesn't use myth's settings table
10:26<jkolb>It's in conf/conf.php or something like that.
10:27* bline looks
10:29<bline>yeah, that was it. Thanks.
10:36<mdz_>vektor: the exception makes it legal, but it doesn't make it DFSG-free I don't think
10:40<mdz_>vektor: it should have been brought up on debian-legal at the time this discussion was taking place
10:40<vektor>mdz: How is it not DFSG-free ?
10:41<vektor>Is DScaler not DFSG-free?
10:41<vektor>We don't require the DLLs, btw.
10:41<vektor>We'll work just fine if they're not there.
10:43<mdz_>vektor: it's not DFSG-free because you don't inlcude source code for them
10:44<mdz_>even if you did, source code that you can't build isn't enough I don't think
10:44<vektor>Yes I do.
10:44<vektor>The full DScaler source is included in our data directory.
10:45<mdz_>oh, but not in CVS?
10:45<vektor>Yes it is.
10:45<vektor>ls -al ../data/
10:45<mdz_>ah, a .zip file
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10:45<vektor>Just like the freefont source is there too.
10:45<vektor>Since we ship binaries of the freefont fonts we use.
10:46<mdz_>I don't think you need to ship the freefont source unless you modified them
10:46<vektor>If I ship binaries of a GPL program I think I need to distribute the source too.
10:47<vektor>I'm using 3(c) I think.
10:47<mdz_>I think you need to make the source available from the same location
10:47<mdz_>or upon request or whatever
10:47<vektor>I think this is safest.
10:47<mdz_>but I don't think it needs to be there in the tarball; you are allowed to distribute the binaries alone
10:47<vektor>I don't think I am allowed to do that.
10:47<vektor>Like with the DScaler source.
10:47<vektor>Can I just include that on my website?
10:47<mdz_>you can have a "binaries" tarball on your FTP server next to the "source code" tarball, that's perfectly OK
10:47<vektor>If people make SRPMs they'll forget and not distribute it.
10:48<mdz_>by the GPL
10:48<vektor>What about extra_source ?
10:48* vektor worried.
10:48* mdz_ shrugs
10:48<mdz_>people who distribute SRPMs need to be careful
10:49<vektor>They never are :)
10:49<mdz_>do you want me to bring tvtime up for discussion on -legal?
10:49<vektor>Yeah sure if you think this is ambiguous.
10:49<vektor>I'm not convinced.
10:49<mdz_>(hell, people usually distribute rpms without source at all)
10:49<vektor>But I think it would be interesting.
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10:51<mdz_>vektor: this has come up before; I'm pretty sure it's a problem
10:51<mdz_>it can probably go in contrib
10:52<vektor>I wish someone would port those deinterlacers.
10:52<mdz_>you could split out the dscaler binaries into a contrib package and get tvtime in main
10:52<vektor>That would be no problem at all.
10:52<vektor>It will work just fine right now.
10:53<vektor>It's just two DLLs.
10:53<mdz_>it's similar to's situation
10:54<Krondor>is anyone working on a unified control package for remotes? (As in mplayer and mythtv would use the same buttons for the same functions either via a translation layer that chagnes what commands are sent to irxevent or in a configuration script when mythtv installs that asks whether you intend to use xine, mplayer, etc for other video functions then changes mythtv controls to correspond)
10:54<mdz_>it requires java in order to build
10:54<mdz_>if it's only a couple of things, it's probably easiest to leave those out until they are ported
10:54<vektor>mdz: Uh, no.
10:54<vektor>They're the highest quality deinterlacers in tvtime.
10:54<vektor>Without those two DLLs the program, while still useful, is less interesting.
10:57<mdz_>if it's not a problem to split them, then that would be the best way to make all of it available
10:57<mdz_>but I'll bring it up on -legal
10:57<mdz_>ok to CC you?
10:57<mdz_>or your mailing list maybe?
10:57<vektor>mdz: I'm on -legal.
10:57<mdz_>vektor: good lord
10:58<mdz_>I don't even subscribe to -legal; I haven't the stomach
10:58<vektor>It's a fun place.
10:58<vektor>mdz: It should be trivial for you to make a package that just has the two DLLs in our dist and installs them to /usr/share/tvtime/
10:59<vektor>tvtime-dscaler-plugins or similar.
10:59<mdz_>vektor: /usr/lib/tvtime
10:59<vektor>No, not /usr/lib/tvtime.
10:59<vektor>They're not native code.
10:59<vektor>Well, I mean, they're not shared libraries.
10:59<mdz_>they're architecture-dependent
10:59<mdz_>that's the only distinction that matters
10:59<vektor>If anywhere, /usr/lib/win32.
11:00<vektor>Since that's where mplayer and xine put their windows DLLs.
11:00<vektor>But I disagree with it.
11:00<mdz_>that's the whole point of /usr/share
11:01<vektor>Sigh, but dude.
11:01<vektor>Fine, I'll update the source but then we can't make a 0.9.9 package.
11:01<vektor>It will have to be
11:01<vektor>And not /usr/lib/tvtime.
11:01<vektor>It should be /usr/lib/win32.
11:01<mdz_>I see no problem with that
11:02<mdz_>meeting, bbl
11:20<sfr>mdz_: Considerung you're starting the backend non-verbose i'd suggest to use --verbose quiet.
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12:23<TheAsp>i got enough space to not go crazy now
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12:57<Primer>Anyone using that hd card in Linux?
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13:44<poo>primer: no but i want one
13:44<poo>primer: or two
13:44<Primer>My cow-orker bought one
13:44<poo>using it w/myth ?
13:44<Primer>he's having problems compiling xine, and the mythtv support really isn't "preliminary"'s more like, non-exixtent
13:44<poo>how cool would that be if Myth beat Tivo to market with a HD PVR ?
13:45<poo>we're sooo close
13:45<Primer>I have an HDTV, but the only machine I have that can power the card is in another room
13:47<Chutt>primer, it's preliminary. you just have to mess with the db yourself :p
13:47<Primer>yeah, I hear you
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13:52<Chutt>really needs someone to help finish it off
13:52<Chutt>the guy that did most of the work so far isn't all that familiar with c++
13:53<poo>Chutt: are you talking about the hd driver?
13:56<kja>Chutt: You have alpha blending working in the ui, right?
13:57<Chutt>what ui?
13:57<Chutt>the main stuff?
13:57<kja>yea, menu
13:57<kja>like myth's
13:58<Chutt>of course
13:58<kja>any hints to why it's not working on my setup?
13:58<kja>transparency is ok
13:58<Chutt>make sure you have xft turned on in your qtconfig
14:01<kja>it's on, but ain't that fonts only (i'm talking bout the theme png part)
14:09<kja>hmm, must be something else wrong then, it does 1 bit alpha blending :)
14:10<Chutt>run qtconfig and see if there's anything weird in there
14:13<kja>looks ok to me
14:14<kja>it is not much in there that can be wrong
14:30<kja>my bad, was starting myth from inittab, and it had no user to associate with, so it generated a .qt in /
14:31<Snow-Man>I hate that.
14:36<kja>Me to, thats why i moved it to /home/myth :)
14:39<kja>It has been like that since I first started playing with myth, and then someone here mentioned it yesterday...
14:39<Chutt>huh, i wonder why ntpdate didn't reset my clock
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14:44<kja>what did it give?
14:44<Chutt>it did now
14:44<Chutt>it just didn't fix my clock when i rebooted last time
14:46<kja>ahh, u run ntpdate not ntpd on init?
14:46<kja>why? does ntpd mess with your livetv experience?
14:47<Chutt>the machine doesn't really lose time that much
14:48<jkolb>You don't run ntpd at all?
14:48<kja>ahh, mine is usually on over long periods of time
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15:07<tmk>heh oops
15:08<jkolb>Well, at least we know you're not an emacs luser. ;)
15:08<tmk>yeah, emacs is a fine operating system, but it lacks a good text editor
15:08<tmk>so i use vi
15:15<TheAsp>tmk: there is a vi mode for emacs
15:25<sfr>the trick play is nice, but a bit ackward to use i think. wouldn't be easier to just start/stop trick play with j. And when in trick play mode change the speed with cursor left/right?
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15:32* pablo__ is curious if anyone has had trouble with auto-expiring recorded programs
15:33<TheAsp>pablo: hasnt worked for me yet, but i havent been in that situation for a few weeks
15:34<pablo__>TheAsp: my 120 gig hard drive broke and now i'm stuck with a 26, but despite having the auto expire limit set and auto expire by default, it seems to be filling up to 100% and then crashing the backend
15:34<TheAsp>if you had one of those 120gb wd's with 8mb cache, i dont want to hear about it.
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15:36<pablo___>TheAsp: but yeah, its weird, i checked the permissions and it doesn't seem like it should be having any weird issues deleting things
15:36<pablo___>TheAsp: i guess i'm just going to try to fill it and then see if it puts anything interesting in mythbackend.log
15:36<TheAsp>do you have the autoexpire field set for the stuff you want to expire?
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15:36<TheAsp>like, did you check the db
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15:37<pablo___>TheAsp: in order to check that the videos are really being set to default expire or whatever?
15:37<TheAsp>a bunch of mine wern't
15:37<pablo___>TheAsp: not yet, i suppose i should
15:37<TheAsp>some old schedules didnt have it either
15:38<pablo___>TheAsp: that seems particularly likely since i did upgrade from 0.10
15:39<TheAsp>(when you update recorded, rememeber to set starttime=starttime, or stuff will suck)
15:40<pablo___>TheAsp: so all of my programs are going to auto-expire 0, is there somewhere in a mythtv setting file i should change that, or should i just change the default on the table to be 1 or something?
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15:41<TheAsp>the autoexpire is carried over from the autoexpire setting of the schedule
15:41<TheAsp>dont change the default on the table
15:41<TheAsp>set autoexpire=1 on everything in record, autoexpire=1, starttime=starttime on everything in recorded
15:42<pablo___>TheAsp: though that will only fix it for my currently scheduled programs, no?
15:46<TheAsp>i think the default you set in the settings is used for new schedules you create
15:46<pablo__>TheAsp: i think i have the default set to on though
15:47<pablo__>where does it store the setting when you set it in mythfrontend?
15:47<TheAsp>in the settings table probably
15:49<pablo__> AutoExpireDefault | 1 | NULL
15:49<pablo__>hmmm, odd
15:52<pablo__>when i just added something it still set it to autoexpire=0 in the record table
15:59<pablo__>autoexpire default seems to only set the default in the advanced recording screen
15:59<pablo__>perhaps i'll just switch to that for the future
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16:00<TheAsp>yeah, i have that on
16:00<TheAsp>man, psi's bug tracker is slick.
16:01<pablo__>should i enter a bug or somesuch, or should i just figure i probably broke something
16:01<TheAsp>just keep pestering chutt till its fixed :P~ (kidding)
16:02<TheAsp>I keep forgetting who's doing the autodeletion stuff
16:02<TheAsp>post on the list maybe?
16:02<pablo__>although its sort of annoying that i can't do additions on mythweb now though
16:02<pablo__>since it only seems to autoexpire on the advanced screen
16:03<TheAsp>yeah, that whole thing is confusing
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16:49<sfr>choenig: Hi, do you use tv_grab_de? Doesn't work anymore since a few days.
16:54<choenig>sfr: no, I don't, I use nxtvepg since my first days of mythtv :)
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16:55<sfr>choenig: me too, but it's nice to have the following days program available too.
16:56<o_cee>any new exciting commit comming up?
16:56<choenig>when I came to mythtv tv_grab_de didn't work so I needed to get something working and just in that days tom zoerner (author of nxtvepg) added the xmltv feature... that was a nice incident :)
16:56<choenig>sfr: so how many days do you get with tv_grad_de?
16:57<o_cee>i got hit by a car when i was on my bike today.. couple of seconds airtime.. never done that before..
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16:57<sfr>choenig: 0 atm :(, but used to have ~6 days.
16:57<sfr>o_cee: did you got hurt?
16:58<o_cee>not seriously..
16:58<choenig>sfr: but you get a week with nxtvepg, too, don't you?
16:58<o_cee>had alot of luck
16:58<o_cee>heh.. could have been alot worse
16:58<choenig>I never check that far ahead
16:59<sfr>choenig: right now saturday shows up in the epg.
16:59<poo>o_cee: glad you're ok. i bike commute as well and had a similar experience a few months ago
16:59<o_cee>wasn't even my fault.. :/
17:01<choenig>sfr: here 'unknown' entrys start on tuesday evening
17:02<choenig>how is it with the other grabbers like _na, do they fetch several days, too?
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17:02<choenig>or other question: are there grabbers that fetch only one or two days?
17:02<Chutt>most grabbers get a week or so
17:02<Chutt>or allow you to get that much
17:03<tmk>sup chutt
17:03<Chutt>hey tmk
17:03<o_cee>hej kja
17:04<Chutt>tmk, got things working yet? :p
17:06<tmk>i think so
17:06<Chutt>in mythtv?
17:06<tmk>but i keep having to *watch* tv
17:06<tmk>or i'm recording
17:07<tmk>so i haven't tested as much lately
17:07<o_cee>whatcha working on?
17:07<o_cee>the drivers?
17:07<tmk>ya i wrote them
17:07<o_cee>oh /me blushes
17:07<o_cee>nice work
17:07<tmk>so i think we've got the decoder working
17:07<tmk>pretty well
17:08<tmk>buffering etc
17:08<Chutt>how's the framebuffer stuff going?
17:08<tmk>i wanted to talk with you about some of the api stuff tho
17:08<tmk>i think it's about as done as it's gonna get
17:08<tmk>aka 'not fast enough for 30fps'
17:08<tmk>it seems to confuse the DMA controller if you go faster
17:08<tmk>but i didn't write that piece
17:09<Chutt>i'm more wondering about it and the rest of mythtv's uis
17:09<Chutt>making sure that all the qt stuff works ok with that
17:09<Chutt>it _should_, but..
17:09<tmk>haven't heard any complaints
17:09<tmk>who's testing that?
17:09<Chutt>no idea
17:10* tmk was implying that chutt should be testing that
17:10<Chutt>i don't have a machine hooked up to the tv right now
17:10<tmk>oh that's right
17:10<tmk>due to the via tvout
17:11<Chutt>but, yeah
17:11<tmk>OSD bout finished?
17:12<Chutt>i need to figure out why the via stuff goes all wonky
17:12<tmk>you gonna be around tonite ~9pm pst?
17:12<o_cee>any more progress on xvmc? will it be usefull (since you said it _increased_ cpu usage before)?
17:12<tmk>k, i just want to finalize some of the interface
17:20<Chutt>technical term.
17:20<o_cee>hey, i think Chutt made a joke :) j/k
17:22<o_cee>is anyone maintaining mythgame?
17:23<o_cee> <-- would be a nice addon for mythgame, don't you think?
17:24<o_cee> <-- looks really nice as well.. gotta find those old games and try em out.. favourite games all of them
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17:28<sfr>Chutt: maybe it helps: updated to latest cvs today and now see mythfrontend hang during channel change. i never saw this with cvs of ~2-3 weeks ago.
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17:29<sfr>Chutt: the backend also crashes when i stop the frontend with ctrl-c.
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17:35<Chutt>sfr, i'd need a backtrace of it when it's hung.
17:35<sfr>Chutt: i'll also just leave it the next time it happens, maybe it just takes some time.
17:40<o_cee>it was diff -u right? tiny typo in mythgame readme.. but i guess you want it as a diff
17:41<Chutt>generally easier that way
17:41<o_cee>Perl - Made by Idiots
17:41<o_cee>Java - Made for Idiots
17:41<o_cee>C++ - Envied by Idiots
17:41<o_cee>but it's just diff -u, no more?
17:41<o_cee>have a feeling it was -u and something else
17:41<sfr>o_cee: not for a single file
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17:44<o_cee>on its way. nufn important, but i could mention it as well as not doing it
17:46<pahli_bar>ok any developers awake?
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17:48<o_cee>there ya go. delivered on time as it should.
17:48<pahli_bar>mythnews plugin is ready for testing...
17:48<o_cee>i could give it a shot
17:49<o_cee>but that won't be until tomorrow.. going to bed now, 12pm here
17:49<pahli_bar>o_cee: do you know whom i can contact to upload to the myth site
17:49<o_cee>no, but i'm good at guessing. but i thought you said ready for testing? why don't you send it to the mailinglist first
17:50<o_cee>lots of ppl will test it then
17:50<pahli_bar>o_cee: mail the whole tarball?
17:50<o_cee>mail a link
17:50<o_cee>to a downloadable tarball
17:50<o_cee>or something
17:51<RGi>anyone here using this howto to install MythTV ?
17:51<pahli_bar>o_cee: okey dokey
17:51<o_cee>g'night all. take care
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17:52<RGi>anyway... when I run this command I get an error that It cant find the file... apt-get install
17:52<RGi>does that install a custom kernel or is it a stock kernel from redhat ?
17:55<sfr>RGi: looks rather like a typo to me.
17:55<TheAsp>Looks fine other then the .at
17:55<TheAsp>possibly without the rh9
17:55<TheAsp>apt-cache showpkg kernel-image
17:55<TheAsp>or kernel i spose
17:55<TheAsp>that will show you all the version #'s you can throw on there
17:56<RGi>ahh okay...
17:56<RGi>thanx... trying that =)
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18:01<georwell>hey guys I have a si7018 card and for some reason I can't get stereo sound to work. Any ideas?
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18:03<heavy>how do i compile native alsa support into mythtv?
18:03<georwell>you need to compile alsa into your kernel or load it as a module
18:04<heavy>ok, it is in as module, works great
18:04<choenig>heavy: edit
18:05<heavy>just compile away then and change the AudioOutputDevice setting in database?
18:05<heavy>choenig: using an ebuild in gentoo, can i still do that??
18:05<choenig>hmmm, you could do the emerge steps one by one...
18:06<choenig>ebuild mythtv fetch && ebuild mythtv unpack. then goto /var/tmp/portage/mythtv-something/.../work and edit settings...
18:07<choenig>then ebuild mythtv compile && ebuild mythtv install and finally ebuild mythtv qmerge
18:07<choenig>that should do it
18:08<georwell>if you are using gentoo could you just add alsa to your USE variable?
18:09<choenig>for the mythtv.ebuild? don't think so
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18:10<choenig>georwell: though I don't think that would be hard to edit the ebuild to do that
18:15<georwell>Anybody familiar with PCM Chorus?
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19:06<pahli_bar>version 0.1 of mythnews up for testing....
19:06<pahli_bar>download from:
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19:10<sfr>pahli_bar: README? :). you might want to add a table to mythconverg to store the rss feeds.
19:10<thor___>and it could use some myth-style themeability, but it looks pretty cool
19:10<pahli_bar>sfr: no README now...
19:10<pahli_bar>sfr: it does add a table to mythconverg... hidden within the code
19:11<pahli_bar>thor___: it is themeable...
19:11<thor___>pahli_bar, yup ... but lots of Qt-Widgets in there rather than Myth ones
19:11<pahli_bar>thor___: use same xml ui format as other plugins
19:11<sfr>pahli_bar: sorry, only checked the dir.
19:11<pahli_bar>thor___: ah.. the config widgets... need to work on that front
19:12<thor___>I'm not complaining ... =) just perusing
19:13<sfr>pahli_bar: for your TODO list: ability to display a news-ticker while watching tv/recordings :).
19:13<thor___>with Chutt's new OSD changes =)
19:13<sfr>thor___: what are these changes?
19:13<pahli_bar>sfr: ok will add that. but first i need to setup my pvr system :)
19:15<thor___>sfr, think the OSD interface has changed a little to make it fit better with MPEG decoding hardware ... can't tell you more than that .... a/v codecs and streaming code make my brain go all mushy
19:29<heavy>got myth working finally
19:29<heavy>now time to sleep tho :)
19:32<thor___>pahli_bar, plugin location is preset for packages, not dev tree (should go in /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins )
19:32<thor___>and ui.xml stuff (/usr/local/...)
19:33<pahli_bar>thor___: shouldn't these be $${PREFIX}/
19:33<pahli_bar>thor___: thats what the pro files use. no makefile..
19:34<pahli_bar>thor___: depends on ur qt installation
19:34<thor___>I understand ... but qmake, make should to default to /usr/local if this is going to get built out of a CVS checkout .
19:35<pahli_bar>thor___: hmmm... i pulled of these stuff from mythweather.
19:36<thor___>not a big issue ... but a README will definitely help .... and you'll probably want to separate out the db tablespace to a newsdb/ set of scripts or version upgrading will soon become a nightmare =)
19:37<pahli_bar>thor___: will include a README
19:37<pahli_bar>thor___: but all plugins seem to be currently placing there db in the maindb
19:38<thor___>not a separate db
19:38<thor___>but separate SQL scripts to create and alter news table(s)
19:39<pahli_bar>thor___: ahh... i currently using a separate newstable for the newssites and save only one config in the main settings table
19:39<thor___>right, the config thing is fine .... but if you change the columns in the news table people with a previous version need a way to be able to alter theirs
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19:40<pahli_bar>thor___: was planning on doing it from the code... (checking versions and updating the table accordingly)
19:41<thor___>pahli_bar, you can ... but you end up writing a lot more C++ than a few lines of SQL
19:42* pahli_bar is more comfortable with c++ than sql :)
19:42<pahli_bar>had to learn a bit of sql to just get this thing working :)
19:59<pahli_bar>gotta go now... bye all
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20:46<echo>anyone here use the visor theme?
20:46<echo>with 0.11?
20:46<echo>mine crashes when i go into the program guide/program finder
20:47<echo>watch recordings does the same thing.
20:47<echo>Error parsing: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/visor/ui.xml
20:48<Chutt>you're not using qt 3.2, are you?
20:48<echo>yeah.. is that it?
20:48<Chutt>the spanish and catalan translations are broken
20:49<Chutt>they're fixed in the blue theme, but not in the other themes on the website
20:49<echo>I'm not spanish or catalan ;)
20:49<Chutt>you can just delete the offending lines
20:49<echo>can I disable?
20:49<Chutt>it should tell you which ones they are when it gives back the parsing errors, no?
20:52<TheAsp>Any other themes have the status icons in the view recordings screen?
20:54<echo>visor is a nice theme.
20:55<echo>grep \"ES\" -v ui.xml > ui.xml.stripped
20:55* echo grins.
20:55<Chutt>theasp, nope
20:59<echo>the mythtv gui is almost as slow as the tivo gui! way to clone ;)
21:00<Chutt>if you have an nvidia card, turn on render accel in your x config
21:00<Chutt>speeds it up quite a bit
21:00<echo>ATI card.
21:00<Chutt>sucks to be you, then =)
21:00<moegreen>echo: what resolution are you using?
21:00<Chutt>it's probably falling back on the render extensions's horribly slow alpha blending
21:00<echo>oh, I know my machine is slow.
21:01<Chutt>software alpha blending, that is
21:01<echo>it works much better without xinerama.
21:01<Chutt>also, if you just run the ui at 800x600, should be a bit better
21:01<Chutt>or 640x480 or whatnot
21:01<echo>there's also an annoying radeon 7500 bug in X 4.3
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21:31<crasure>Hello, all. I'm having troubles getting my pvr-250 remote (grey) to work. Everything installed fine, but I simply get no response out of the irw program at all. Any ideas?
21:33<crasure>I'm beginning to think that I must have a bad remote. I've read every FAQ and Googled every webpage/usenet posting I can find and nothing has worked.
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21:48<TheAsp>No one has written a patch to handle turning on/off xscrensaver?
21:52<rozo>crasure: i just got my remote working. I used this site to get it working. You have to follow it to the letter and make sure you use the lirc/irw from the CVS and not the current version
21:56<crasure>rozo: thank you but I have done that allready. Three times. I'm at a complete loss. /var/log/lircd shows "accepted new client" and everything , but I simply get no output from irw. I've seriously spend about two full days trying everything.
21:58<crasure>So I am here with my head hung low begging for insight before I go and return the damn thing to Circuit City :)
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22:32<mythtv>lircd 0.7.0pre1: lircd(hauppauge) ready
22:32<mythtv>lircd 0.7.0pre1: registering local client
22:32<mythtv>lircd 0.7.0pre1: accepted new client on /dev/lircd
22:32<mythtv>lircd 0.7.0pre1: driver supports receiving
22:32<mythtv>lircd 0.7.0pre1: removed client
22:33<mythtv>This is my debugging output, but still nothing from irw
22:35<dwmurphy>isn't there a newer prerelease?
22:36<mythtv>I don't think so, I just got this from CVS
22:37<mythtv>but let me check...
22:38<vektor>Chutt: Hey, you there?
22:38<dwmurphy>oh.. i thought i downloaded a pre4 the other day
22:38<vektor>Chutt: What do you do when the XMLTV programme listing doesn't have an end time?
22:39<dwmurphy>actually, i have pre2
22:40<mythtv>hmmm, is pre2 newer?
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22:40<dwmurphy>there's a good question :)
22:41<vektor>Chutt: Nevermind, fixed. :)
22:42<mythtv>that must be it, it is newer. Thanks
22:44<dwmurphy>hope it helps
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23:30<mikegrb>greetings tmk
23:31<mikegrb>oh, I have a quick question
23:31<mikegrb>I've looked, though not extensively, into one aspect of the PVR cards. Will one card do both NTSC and PAL or are there different versions?
23:37<vektor>There are different tuners, but the cards can handle either PAL or NTSC no problem.
23:48<tmk>only the pvr350 can do both
23:48<tmk>the audio chip has limitations
23:48<tmk>on the pvr250's
23:48<tmk>of course
23:48<tmk>if you use line-in
23:48<tmk>the cards don't care, any card can do PAL or NTSC
23:49<tmk>the limitation is only for the tuner
23:49<tmk>hmm, yeah i think the tuner will be a problem too
23:49<vektor>That's what I said. :)
23:49* tmk talks before he thinks
23:50<vektor>It works fine if you're going from, say, a DVD player.
23:50<vektor>It's only if you move from North America to Europe and want to receive cable.
23:50<vektor>Or the other way around.
23:50<tmk>hows tvtime?
23:50<vektor>tmk: Awesome, released a version with an OSD menu
23:50<vektor>and now in CVS we have xmltv support
23:51<vektor>it's nifty.
23:51<tmk>you support the pvr-[23]50''s yet? :P
23:51<vektor>i think i've got enough features that I can do MPEG2/PVR-250 input yet :)
23:51<vektor>now i mean :)
23:51<tmk>it's pretty easy
23:51<vektor>that part is easy
23:51<vektor>linking to libmpeg2 and converting 4:2:0 -> 4:2:2 sucks
23:51<vektor>i worry about CPU time
23:52<vektor>and complexity
23:52<tmk>oh well
23:52<tmk>ima go program some
23:53* vektor asleep
23:53<mikegrb>tmk: okay, thanks for the info
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