| --- | Log | opened Fri Sep 05 00:00:20 2003 |
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| 00:25 | <teratorn> | hello |
| 00:27 | <tmk> | hi |
| 00:29 | <teratorn> | can anyone recommend a video capture card? |
| 00:29 | <teratorn> | i friend of mine says wintv is the way to go..is there anything better? |
| 00:30 | <nitrogen> | teratorn: the flyvideo 3000 might be a good option in the near future as the driver matures |
| 00:30 | <tmk> | tera: what are you looking for? |
| 00:30 | <tmk> | requrements, etc |
| 00:31 | <teratorn> | tmk: i'm not 100% sure :) |
| 00:31 | <teratorn> | i'll be using it with a directv box |
| 00:31 | <teratorn> | stereo sound would be nice |
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| 00:32 | <tmk> | ok, so you need line-in then |
| 00:32 | <tmk> | svideo i presume |
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| 00:33 | <tmk> | do you have an IR device already on your computer? |
| 00:33 | <teratorn> | nope |
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| 00:34 | <tmk> | probably want one with a remote control/IR receiver then |
| 00:34 | <jbwiv> | lo guys |
| 00:34 | <teratorn> | i'll probably just use a wireless keyboard for the mythtv box |
| 00:34 | <tmk> | suit yourself |
| 00:34 | <tmk> | hi |
| 00:35 | <teratorn> | i've heard about methods of hooking up the myth box to the directv box so it can change channels, i guess that's with an IR transmitter? |
| 00:35 | <tmk> | or serial port |
| 00:35 | <tmk> | i believe |
| 00:35 | <tmk> | not 100% sure on that one though |
| 00:35 | <teratorn> | perhaps, i need to look on the back of my sat box and see if it has one |
| 00:36 | <jbwiv> | quick question...i've got two tuners...a pvr-250 and a ati tv-wonder. i know for sure that the pvr-250 is /dev/video0, but i'm not sure what device the ati would be on. do you guys have any idea? thx in advance! |
| 00:36 | <knight-> | jbwiv, if the kernel modules are loaded properly, then video1 |
| 00:37 | <knight-> | if /dev/video1 doesnt exist, you didnt load the modules right |
| 00:37 | <knight-> | tmk, you have any ideas on where to start for extending a backend to allow multiple frontends view the same source? |
| 00:37 | <mikegrb> | tmk, if I have a define on the g++ cmd line (-D option) I can use it in code right? Like if (SOMETHING_DEFINED) { do something } ? |
| 00:38 | <tmk> | hold on |
| 00:38 | <tmk> | 3 questions heh |
| 00:38 | <mikegrb> | jbwiv: try 'ls -l /dev/video*' |
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| 00:39 | <mikegrb> | jbwiv: you might also try checking dmesg and see if it has anything of interest |
| 00:39 | <o_cee> | hey all |
| 00:39 | <tmk> | jbwiv: check /proc/video/dev |
| 00:39 | <tmk> | if you have procfs configured |
| 00:39 | <tmk> | it will create a device for each video interface in there |
| 00:39 | <tmk> | knight: i don't know mythtv internals at all |
| 00:40 | <knight-> | tmk, ok |
| 00:40 | <tmk> | mike: yes that's how -D should work |
| 00:40 | <knight-> | what i want to do, is begin allowing multiple frontends to request watching a broadcast from the backend |
| 00:40 | <knight-> | i.e. a security camera, a movie that people in different rooms/dorms/offices/etc can watch at the same time, etc |
| 00:41 | <jbwiv> | mikegrb and knight- and tmk: i've got the modules loaded I believe, video1 exists, and /proc/video/dev shows: vbi0, vbi1, video0, video1, video32. Is there anyway to test out which on would be the tv-wonder? Testing the PVR-250 was easy with ivtv... |
| 00:41 | <mikegrb> | tmk: thanks a bunch, just wanted to check as the xbox is slow to compile <g> |
| 00:41 | <tmk> | video1 is the ati |
| 00:42 | <knight-> | jbwiv, if you said video0 worked for the pvr250, then it's video1 |
| 00:42 | <o_cee> | http://freevo.sourceforge.net/screenshots_blue_round2.html#freevo_ss1 <--- look at that top bar for plugins.. that actually looks like a _really_ nice idea IMO.. maybe that would be something to keep in mind for future OSD updates? whatcha think? the newsticker could go there, and so on.. |
| 00:42 | <jbwiv> | knight- : ok, great. But is there a way to make sure it's working? |
| 00:42 | <tmk> | run xawtv on it |
| 00:42 | <knight-> | what tmk said |
| 00:43 | <o_cee> | don't you think Chutt? it could be playing mp3's there while watching tv.. newsticker, readmail.. messages from icq.. hheh.. |
| 00:44 | <knight-> | o_cee, we've been talking about this on the dev list |
| 00:44 | <knight-> | We'd need to restructure mythtv to let the modules talk to each other |
| 00:44 | <jbwiv> | knight- and tmk: ok, it brings up a screen with xawtv -c /dev/video1, but I just get static, which would lead me to believe I need to switch to a channel. Sorry to keep bugging you guys, but would you happen to know a quick and easy way to do this? If you want to tell me to RTFM, I totally understand ;-) |
| 00:44 | <knight-> | i.e. have video capturing happening while listening to music, or weather while music, etc |
| 00:45 | <o_cee> | knight-: yeah, and this is a way of practically making it look at the end.. i know there's been discussion, but not at the end result. |
| 00:45 | <knight-> | ahhh |
| 00:45 | <tmk> | i think reading the xawtv manual is appropriate :) |
| 00:45 | <jbwiv> | tmk: sigh...guess I asked for that ;-) |
| 00:46 | <o_cee> | a top toolbar like this would be a great way if inplementing it i think |
| 00:47 | <jbwiv> | ahh...found an old .xawtv file on another box of mine. Working perfectly! Thanks guys!!! |
| 00:48 | <tmk> | :) |
| 00:49 | <jbwiv> | one final question, what about vbi device? Do they correspond via number? |
| 00:49 | <jbwiv> | i.e., /dev/video0 and /dev/vbi0? |
| 00:49 | <knight-> | yes |
| 00:51 | <jbwiv> | knight-: great thanks. |
| 00:52 | <tmk> | vbi0 won't work |
| 00:52 | <tmk> | pvr's don't support it yet |
| 00:52 | <tmk> | vbi1 may |
| 00:53 | <knight-> | o_cee, well, the toolbar looks neat, but i'm not sure i'd want to see it ALL the time |
| 00:53 | <knight-> | perhaps a setting to enable and disable it |
| 00:54 | <knight-> | in the config |
| 00:54 | <knight-> | also, for example, how will we get alerts to display on top of an mplayer |
| 00:54 | <knight-> | or, on top of internal playbacks |
| 00:57 | <knight-> | heh |
| 00:57 | <jbwiv> | tmk: hmmm....so should both cards share /dev/vbi1? |
| 00:57 | <jbwiv> | and should both use /dev/dsp? |
| 00:58 | <tmk> | pvr cards encode audio with the video |
| 00:58 | <tmk> | jb: no vbi info is availible for the pvr250 |
| 00:58 | <tmk> | not sure how ati does audio |
| 00:59 | <jbwiv> | hmmm. |
| 00:59 | <tmk> | does it just use bttv? |
| 00:59 | <jbwiv> | tmk:yes |
| 00:59 | <tmk> | if the btaudio module supports it |
| 00:59 | <tmk> | then use /dev/dspX |
| 00:59 | <tmk> | X will print out in dmesg probably |
| 00:59 | <tmk> | when you load btaudio |
| 00:59 | <knight-> | hmm |
| 01:00 | <knight-> | i think what is also needed, is a minimalistic scripting language built in |
| 01:00 | <jbwiv> | seems like no matter what I do on the card config screen, I get two /dev/video0 devices. I click to add anther, change it to /dev/video1, click enter, and damn it, two /dev/video0, not /dev/video0 and /dev/video1. Am I doing something obviously wrong? |
| 01:00 | <knight-> | for the event timer |
| 01:01 | <teratorn> | knight-: a scripting language in mythtv? |
| 01:01 | <knight-> | indeed |
| 01:01 | <knight-> | but very basic |
| 01:01 | <teratorn> | that does sound like a good idea |
| 01:01 | <teratorn> | might i recommend python? |
| 01:01 | <knight-> | i think that would be too heavy |
| 01:01 | <teratorn> | hmm, how so? |
| 01:01 | <knight-> | because it would be better to have any heavy programming done in c++ |
| 01:02 | <knight-> | but having a myth specific script would be useful for alerts, etc. |
| 01:02 | <teratorn> | well yeah, if you really got to crunch some data, sure |
| 01:02 | <knight-> | like at a specific time have it run: MYTHTV ON, LIVE TV, CHANNEL 4, MYTHTV OFF 30 MINS |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | trolltech has their qt script stuff |
| 01:04 | <teratorn> | so your not looking to write the UI, and various other high-level things in the script langauge? |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | already has bindings for qt and crap |
| 01:05 | <knight-> | Chutt, ahh |
| 01:06 | <knight-> | Although I was thinking much higher level |
| 01:06 | <Chutt> | _should_ be pretty lightweight. |
| 01:06 | <knight-> | a language that represents mythtv functionality |
| 01:06 | <Chutt> | by bindings i just meant that it's signal/slot aware |
| 01:06 | <knight-> | for use by home automation and event timer stuff |
| 01:06 | <Chutt> | so it'd fit into the codebase easier. |
| 01:07 | <knight-> | teratorn, i dont think that would be a good idea. |
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| 01:07 | <knight-> | teratorn, everyone has tried very hard to stay with c++ for consistency, performance, etc. |
| 01:08 | <teratorn> | knight-: well let me explain my point of view |
| 01:09 | <teratorn> | python is a lot better than C++ at everything, except writing highly speed critical code. |
| 01:09 | <knight-> | Uhm. |
| 01:09 | <knight-> | That I disagree with . |
| 01:09 | <knight-> | I've used python, java, objc, and c++ for many many years. |
| 01:09 | <teratorn> | ok |
| 01:09 | <tmk> | evenin' chutt |
| 01:09 | <Chutt> | tmk, yo |
| 01:10 | <knight-> | They're all very similar, but you can't just attack C++ that easily. |
| 01:10 | <teratorn> | python isn't very similar to C++ |
| 01:10 | <tmk> | i've finished up what i plan for the api to control the decoder |
| 01:10 | <tmk> | you want to sanity check it? |
| 01:10 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 01:10 | <Chutt> | email it to me? |
| 01:10 | <tmk> | hmm |
| 01:10 | <tmk> | lemme see if it makes sense as-is :) |
| 01:11 | <knight-> | teratorn, i see very little advantages in python over c++ |
| 01:11 | <mikegrb> | Chutt: would a modification to the xml parsing depend code that checks for a EnableXbox setting in the database be acceptabe? |
| 01:11 | <tmk> | yeah i'll send it over |
| 01:11 | <teratorn> | knight-: i could start naming things, but i don't want to get into a language war :) |
| 01:11 | <Chutt> | mikegrb, if it were generic |
| 01:11 | <Chutt> | dependsetting or whatnot |
| 01:11 | <knight-> | teratorn, indeed it isn't appropriate. |
| 01:12 | <Chutt> | python's _obviously_ better |
| 01:12 | <Chutt> | just look at how much better freevo is! |
| 01:12 | <knight-> | hahaha |
| 01:12 | <teratorn> | Chutt: oh come on now ;) |
| 01:12 | <Chutt> | sorry :p |
| 01:12 | <teratorn> | keep it above the belt :) |
| 01:12 | <Chutt> | i've never even looked at python |
| 01:12 | <mikegrb> | hmm, so how about the depend line is something like <depends>EnableXbox</depends> and it checks to see if stated setting is true? |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | mikegrb, <dependsetting>EnableXbox</dependsetting> |
| 01:13 | <mikegrb> | okay got you :-) |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | shouldn't be all that difficult |
| 01:15 | <mikegrb> | no I don't think so, I already did the previos, just adds checkDependSetting instead of checkDepends or whatever the function name was |
| 01:16 | <hadees> | does nvtv work with the binary nvidia driver? |
| 01:16 | <mikegrb> | s/previos/previous/ |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | hadees, if the card's supported, yes |
| 01:16 | <hadees> | would you recommend the binary nvidia driver over the default one? |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | yes |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | not the latest version |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | the one previous to that |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | since it allows you to turn on the 'experimental a/v sync' code |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | and have very smooth video =) |
| 01:17 | <knight-> | has anyone put any thought into the remote streaming of live tv and recordings? |
| 01:18 | <hadees> | i am intrested, do you have any docs on that? |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | knight, define remote |
| 01:19 | <knight-> | Chutt, local lan, internet, et |
| 01:19 | <knight-> | etc |
| 01:19 | <knight-> | via Quicktime/Winamp |
| 01:19 | <knight-> | WMV |
| 01:19 | <knight-> | etc |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | that just requires transcoding on the fly. |
| 01:19 | <knight-> | Yep |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | local lan streaming works, obviously, between mythtv boxes. |
| 01:20 | <knight-> | But then it needs to be piped to a streaming server |
| 01:20 | <Chutt> | remote would be fine as well if you had the bandwidth. |
| 01:20 | <knight-> | For example, here at my office, I dont have any mythtv boxes |
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| 01:21 | <phar0e> | Greetings |
| 01:22 | <tmk> | chutt: you've got mail |
| 01:22 | <knight-> | Perhaps we could make a plugin for Darwin Streaming Server |
| 01:22 | <knight-> | to just bridge over the video source at the same time |
| 01:22 | <hadees> | Chutt: do you have version number for the nvidia binary driver you recommend? |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | hadees, the most recent but one |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | i don't know the version #. |
| 01:23 | <hadees> | okay |
| 01:26 | <o_cee> | nvidia #4363 |
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| 01:27 | <tmk> | does that look satisfactory chutt? |
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| 01:31 | <monkeyBox> | sweet, I just got my VIA EPIA-M board :) Can't wait to try it out as a diskless frontend :) |
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| 01:37 | <linagee> | wow. this show has absolutely no black frame from commercial to show transition. i can step frame by frame. one frame, fully commercial. next frame, fully show. |
| 01:48 | <hadees> | they do that trick now because of vcrs that can skip commercials |
| 01:49 | <mikegrb> | Chutt: where are the recognized tages defined? I have my new xml tag added to the code in themedmenu but frontend dies with an unrecognized tag, grep -r "depends" * for the root of mythtv src doesn't yield any hits other then themedmenu and the xml files |
| 01:49 | <hadees> | really the best commercial skip i ever saw was this one on a vcr i had, you fast foward till you see the commerical then you hit stop when you see the show again and it rewinds like 6 seconds and starts playing so you don't miss anythign |
| 01:51 | <mikegrb> | hadees: mythtv has that, turn on sticky keys and ff/rr repositioning (not sure the name of the setting but it is just below sticky keys) |
| 01:53 | <mikegrb> | sorry chutt, found it :) |
| 01:54 | <phar0e> | I had a question about mythbackend.. why are so many processes started by default? |
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| 01:58 | <knight-> | Ok, I'm going to figure out how to push the mythtv stream into mpeg4ip |
| 01:58 | <knight-> | which can then push the compressed mp4 stream to any streaming server |
| 01:58 | <mikegrb> | phar0e: just one process, they are multiple threads |
| 01:58 | <tmk> | why not push to videolan? |
| 01:58 | <tmk> | i think that's mo' flexible |
| 01:58 | <mikegrb> | knight-: you should look at the new transcoder code |
| 01:58 | <knight-> | videolan isn't as widely supported is it? |
| 01:58 | <tmk> | videolan has windows clients even i think |
| 01:58 | <Chutt> | tmk, looks fine to me |
| 01:58 | <knight-> | mikegrb, the new transcoder has support for mp4? |
| 01:58 | <tmk> | thx chutt |
| 01:59 | <phar0e> | okay mikegrb, about all the threads, why do I need them if half of them remain idle 24/7? |
| 01:59 | <knight-> | plain mp4 in RTP/RSTP format? |
| 01:59 | <knight-> | i highly doubt it has the RTP/RSTP handling :) |
| 01:59 | <mikegrb> | knight-: no but it has raw export to fifos which might help |
| 01:59 | <Chutt> | phar0e, does it matter? |
| 01:59 | <knight-> | indeed |
| 01:59 | <knight-> | ok |
| 01:59 | <mikegrb> | phar0e: they don't take more resources |
| 01:59 | <knight-> | the export to fifos is in what format? nuv? |
| 02:00 | <Chutt> | raw video/audio |
| 02:00 | <knight-> | tmk, a videolan client might be to specific of a client to demand have installed at all remote locations... |
| 02:00 | <phar0e> | oh wait, I understand now |
| 02:00 | <knight-> | Chutt, ahh |
| 02:00 | <knight-> | so the raw export to fifos is prior to the transcoder/streamer? |
| 02:01 | <Chutt> | i would assume so, yes. |
| 02:01 | <knight-> | it would be nice to attach the raw export to some sort of device emulation |
| 02:01 | <knight-> | but maybe not |
| 02:03 | <knight-> | If you have another program that wants to simultaneously process the raw |
| 02:03 | <knight-> | audio and/or video from the capture cards, there is typically a problem |
| 02:03 | <knight-> | in that many drivers only support one reader at a time. To address this |
| 02:03 | <knight-> | issue, mp4live can be configure to write the raw audio and/or video that |
| 02:03 | <knight-> | it reads from the capture cards to a named pipe (fifo). A named pipe looks |
| 02:03 | <knight-> | like a file, but the data only exists in memory and never goes to disk. |
| 02:03 | <knight-> | This is an efficient way to have the two applications share the media data. |
| 02:04 | <knight-> | oh neat, so the pipe will look just like a dev |
| 02:08 | <knight-> | Ok, so question, how can I have the transcoder on all the time? |
| 02:08 | <mdz> | not quite "just like" it |
| 02:09 | <knight-> | sure, it wont have device control, etc |
| 02:09 | <mdz> | the only operation they have in common is read() |
| 02:09 | <knight-> | yeah |
| 02:09 | <knight-> | i suppose you're right |
| 02:11 | <Chutt> | neat |
| 02:11 | <Chutt> | the OSDs don't look so bad in 16 color grayscale |
| 02:12 | <Chutt> | when it's properly dithered, at least |
| 02:13 | <Primer> | so what's the story with that pchdtv.com card? |
| 02:13 | <mikegrb> | Chutt: just sent the patch for <dependssetting> to the list |
| 02:14 | <Primer> | I think I'm gonna get one of them |
| 02:16 | <jbwiv> | hey guys...is it safe to run mythtv for the first time without downloading the full xmltv output? as long as I rerun the filldatabase script later? It's running long............ |
| 02:17 | <Chutt> | jbwiv, as long as one day's been downloaded already |
| 02:17 | <Chutt> | you don't have to wait for the entire week to download |
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| 02:18 | <Chutt> | mikegrb, i'm going to not use the separate function |
| 02:18 | <jbwiv> | Chutt: yeah, a day has downloaded. Actually, I believe 8 days have downloaded. So, time t o kill it ;-) |
| 02:20 | <knight-> | oh man, mythfrontend over vnc is so horrid :P |
| 02:21 | <knight-> | so is anyone aware of a way to get the transcoder on all the time? |
| 02:22 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 02:22 | <knight-> | so i'm going to have to initiate the transcoder after every channel event? |
| 02:22 | <Chutt> | mikegrb, just committed your patch |
| 02:22 | <knight-> | ack, that's wicked... ok, is there another way to export a raw fifo pipe from inside mythbackend? |
| 02:24 | <Chutt> | no |
| 02:26 | <knight-> | Don't you agree setting up the transcoder for every channel change would be inappropriate |
| 02:26 | <knight-> | ? |
| 02:28 | <teratorn> | knight-: vnc, yeah. do you know about x0rfbserver? |
| 02:29 | <knight-> | teratorn, indeed. i expect vnc quality to be crap :P |
| 02:29 | <Chutt> | it's not something i'd want to do, so, i really don't care :p |
| 02:29 | <knight-> | Chutt, understood, but a little direction about how you want to see this go so it's eventually commitable would be nice |
| 02:29 | <jbwiv> | hey guys...I'm getting no sound from myth on (I assume) the pvr-250 card. Sound is working from the sound card to the tv(I can drop out to xmms and play tunes). Is there aything special hardware wise that should be configured for sound on the pvr-250? |
| 02:30 | <knight-> | I could call Transcoder::UpdateTranscoder all the time |
| 02:30 | <knight-> | But I think that would be a little silly |
| 02:31 | <knight-> | Are you opposed to me introducing raw fifo pipe settings per capture card? |
| 02:31 | <Chutt> | yes. |
| 02:31 | <Chutt> | the entire thing's rather silly |
| 02:32 | <knight-> | Why is it silly? |
| 02:32 | <Chutt> | videolan does all that |
| 02:32 | <Chutt> | so does mpeg4ip, no? |
| 02:32 | <knight-> | Uhm. |
| 02:32 | <Chutt> | so why not use a tool that's meant for what you want to do? |
| 02:32 | <knight-> | Mythtv blocks the devices. |
| 02:32 | <Chutt> | not when it's not using them it doesn't. |
| 02:32 | <knight-> | Mythtv and those applications can't access the capture cards at the same time. |
| 02:32 | <knight-> | Ahh, but mythtv uses them all the time |
| 02:33 | <knight-> | In many scenarios. |
| 02:33 | <Chutt> | then buy another capture card. |
| 02:33 | <knight-> | I have 3. |
| 02:33 | <knight-> | On top of that, I have 4 mythfrontend's |
| 02:33 | <knight-> | some constantly being used |
| 02:33 | <knight-> | It doesn't seem very silly to me. |
| 02:33 | <knight-> | No reason I can't tap into the raw stream |
| 02:34 | <Chutt> | other than the fact that the raw stream doesn't exist anywhere? |
| 02:34 | <knight-> | hmm. |
| 02:34 | <Chutt> | the transcoder is decoding on the fly and trying to do some a/v sync on it. |
| 02:37 | <knight-> | Well, hmmm. |
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| 02:38 | <knight-> | Judging on the activity on the mailing lists about streaming capabilities, I don't think it's unreasonable for me to implement it |
| 02:40 | <Chutt> | here's the thing. |
| 02:40 | <Chutt> | it already streams just fine. |
| 02:40 | <knight-> | between mythfrontend and mythbackend |
| 02:41 | <Chutt> | add .nuv playback capability to whatever you want to play it back with. |
| 02:41 | <knight-> | heh. nuv's compression isnt suitable for internet streaming |
| 02:41 | <Chutt> | there is no .nuv compression. |
| 02:41 | <Chutt> | it's a container format, it can be anything you want |
| 02:42 | <knight-> | ok, so how do you access the nuv stream then? |
| 02:42 | <Chutt> | you ask it to send it to you |
| 02:42 | <knight-> | via the api? |
| 02:42 | <Chutt> | the protocol's very, very simple. |
| 02:43 | <knight-> | but can multiple clients read that stream at the same time? |
| 02:43 | <Chutt> | not live tv ones, no |
| 02:43 | <knight-> | i.e. mythfrontend and my custom streaming client? |
| 02:43 | <knight-> | ahh, and thats where we run into problems |
| 02:43 | <Chutt> | but static files, sure |
| 02:43 | <Chutt> | the ringbuffer isn't designed for multiple readers. |
| 02:47 | <knight-> | that's too bad :( |
| 02:47 | <knight-> | what do you think would be involved to make the ring buffer capable of multiple readers? |
| 02:48 | <knight-> | (considering that has many other advantages than just passing to an internet streamer... like security camera viewing on multiple frontends at the same time, watching a movie in multiple rooms at the same time, etc) |
| 02:49 | <Chutt> | dunno, hadn't really thought about it when i wrote the code |
| 02:50 | <knight-> | indeed |
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| 03:05 | <tmk> | can multiple frontends not watch the same stream? |
| 03:05 | <tmk> | or just not identical copies |
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| 03:07 | <tmk> | chutt: you still up? |
| 03:09 | <knight-> | tmk, each frontend requires a capture card |
| 03:10 | <knight-> | in the backend |
| 03:11 | <tmk> | but if you're watching live tv |
| 03:11 | <tmk> | it's streaming from disk |
| 03:12 | <tmk> | and if you're watching recordings |
| 03:12 | <tmk> | its from disk |
| 03:12 | <Chutt> | you can't watch the same live tv stream. |
| 03:12 | <tmk> | ah chutt: will you be sending 1 frame's worth of mpg at a time |
| 03:12 | <tmk> | or just x bytes at a time |
| 03:13 | <tmk> | (for the decoder) |
| 03:14 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 03:14 | <Chutt> | how would you want it? |
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| 03:14 | <tmk> | well, frame per xfer seems to be the normal way of doing these things |
| 03:15 | <tmk> | and in current code, it skips once (i think after first GOP) on a new decode |
| 03:15 | <tmk> | from disk |
| 03:15 | <dwmurphy> | if my ether card and sound card are sharing an irq, could that cause recording problems? |
| 03:15 | <tmk> | frame-at-a-time (ie cat /dev/video0 -> /dev/videooutput1) works fine |
| 03:16 | <tmk> | what's easier for you |
| 03:17 | <Chutt> | doesn't really matter to me |
| 03:17 | <tmk> | hmm |
| 03:18 | <tmk> | well i'd say write it as a frame per write() |
| 03:18 | <tmk> | that's probably best |
| 03:18 | <Chutt> | sure, then |
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| 03:23 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 03:23 | <Chutt> | think i fixed the cle266 decoder corruption |
| 03:24 | <Chutt> | but i broke somethin else, so, hmmmm |
| 03:29 | <Chutt> | this machine is so slow :( |
| 03:33 | <jarodwilson> | scary that 1GHz is now so slow... |
| 03:34 | <Chutt> | well |
| 03:34 | <Chutt> | it's not a ghz |
| 03:34 | <jarodwilson> | Ah. |
| 03:34 | <Chutt> | at least compared to a p3 |
| 03:34 | <jarodwilson> | Still scary. :) |
| 03:34 | <Chutt> | it's really only about as fast as my p3-550 |
| 03:34 | <jarodwilson> | Ack. |
| 03:35 | <jarodwilson> | Haven't ever used one of those... |
| 03:35 | <Chutt> | i don't have one anymore |
| 03:35 | <Chutt> | died last weekend |
| 03:35 | <jarodwilson> | ? Then what is being so slow right now? |
| 03:36 | <jarodwilson> | The P3? |
| 03:36 | <jarodwilson> | (my firewall is a P3-933...) |
| 03:36 | <jarodwilson> | (I have WAAAY too much hardware) |
| 03:37 | <jarodwilson> | Quick question, anyone tried much with a cx88-based card yet, and had any success? |
| 03:37 | <Chutt> | via epia-m |
| 03:37 | <Chutt> | nehemiah, m10k |
| 03:37 | <jarodwilson> | I thought you said it died, or do you have a loaner? |
| 03:37 | <jarodwilson> | <-confused, as usual. |
| 03:39 | <Chutt> | my p3-550 died |
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| 03:39 | <jarodwilson> | Gotcha. How sad. The first Myth box is no more... |
| 03:40 | <Chutt> | it was only the first myth box for a couple weeks |
| 03:40 | <Chutt> | and that was mostly experimentation |
| 03:40 | <jbwiv> | hello again. Anyone care to field an audio /dev/dsp question? I'm trying to get this box going for my wife's birthday tomorrow (today), and she'll be home in around 4 hours. I'm starting to panic! ;-) |
| 03:40 | <jarodwilson> | But still the first! |
| 03:41 | <jarodwilson> | Hm... Well, I've managed to install an entire working system from bare metal in under 3 hours... |
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| 03:41 | <jarodwilson> | What's the /dev/dsp question? |
| 03:41 | <jbwiv> | jarodwilson: |
| 03:42 | <jbwiv> | I have two tuners |
| 03:42 | <jbwiv> | one is a pvr-250. |
| 03:42 | <jbwiv> | the other is an ATI TV-wonder. |
| 03:42 | <jarodwilson> | okay |
| 03:42 | <jbwiv> | The wonder is wired directly into the sound card's onboard input. |
| 03:42 | <jarodwilson> | Internal? |
| 03:43 | <jbwiv> | I can play, say, xmms from within KDE and listen to music |
| 03:43 | <jbwiv> | yes, internal. |
| 03:43 | <jbwiv> | but if I attempt to use MythTV for watching/recording, no sound. |
| 03:43 | <jarodwilson> | Have you killed off artsd? |
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| 03:44 | <jbwiv> | jarodwilson.. |
| 03:44 | <jbwiv> | no, did I miss that in the instructions! |
| 03:45 | <jbwiv> | just kill -9 it? |
| 03:45 | <jarodwilson> | Perhaps. It is a fairly commond thing for artsd to interfere |
| 03:45 | <jarodwilson> | That should work, or killalll artsd |
| 03:45 | <jbwiv> | alright, let me give it a go |
| 03:45 | <jarodwilson> | Then disable it in the control center so it doesn't load next login |
| 03:46 | <jbwiv> | sigh...no luck. |
| 03:46 | <jarodwilson> | What distro? |
| 03:46 | <jarodwilson> | What kernel, how old are the ivtv drivers, etc |
| 03:46 | <jbwiv> | in the myth output, I see "Opening OSS audio device /dev/dsp" |
| 03:46 | <jbwiv> | jarodwilson: Red Hat 9. |
| 03:46 | <jarodwilson> | And does cat /dev/videoX > testfile.mpg work for the PVR? |
| 03:47 | <jbwiv> | followed the instructions online. complete apt-get install... |
| 03:47 | <jarodwilson> | You might also need to go into the setup section within the frontend and step through everything. |
| 03:47 | <jbwiv> | it did earlier. Now just getting a black screen, but I think it must be a channel setting. But yes, I was getting sound going that route |
| 03:48 | <jbwiv> | jarodwilson: yup...did that I believe. Verified that /dev/dsp is what is selected.... |
| 03:48 | <jarodwilson> | I've seen issues with /dev/dsp not cooperating until you go through the section that includes where you set it. |
| 03:48 | <jbwiv> | let me take a quick 'nother loook. |
| 03:48 | <jarodwilson> | Okay, did you get all the way to the end and select Finish? |
| 03:48 | <jarodwilson> | Definitely make sure to do that... |
| 03:49 | <jarodwilson> | Setup->General |
| 03:49 | <jarodwilson> | Flippin' Mariners... 6 hits in 2 days against the f'ing Devil Rays... |
| 03:50 | <jbwiv> | aggh...!!! no luck again. Sigh... |
| 03:51 | <jarodwilson> | Which device is your PVR? |
| 03:51 | <jarodwilson> | /dev/video0 or /dev/video1? |
| 03:51 | <jbwiv> | I believe /dev/video0 is the PVR-250 |
| 03:51 | <jbwiv> | /dev/video1 is the TV-wonder. Is there a quick way to be absolutely sure? |
| 03:52 | <jarodwilson> | Did you add the TV-wonder at the same time as the PVR, or after? |
| 03:52 | <jarodwilson> | Look through /var/log/messages and/or /var/log/dmesg to see which device registered as what |
| 03:53 | <jarodwilson> | I believe bttv likes to load really early in the startup under Red Hat, while ivtv loads much later, so the bttv card probably hijacked /dev/video0 |
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| 03:53 | <jarodwilson> | So it is possible you had the PVR as 0, but it got bumped to 1, and thus things are now problematic |
| 03:54 | <knight-> | this might be obvious, but have you set the sound levels? |
| 03:54 | <knight-> | since you have sound going from the card to your aux input on your sound card, be sure aux is turned up |
| 03:55 | <jbwiv> | nope...looks like bttv9: registered device video1\n tvaudio: TV audio decoder + audio/video linux driver |
| 03:55 | <jbwiv> | knight-: yeah, adjusted like crazy. Let me make sure again.... |
| 03:55 | <jarodwilson> | Ah, using bttv9. Okay, different situation than Red Hat's stock bttv |
| 03:55 | <knight-> | also keep in mind that tuner does not have the ability to have two types at once |
| 03:55 | <knight-> | hence, you need to use a hacked ivtv driver |
| 03:56 | <knight-> | that lets you pass the tuner type as an option to the ivtv module, and then the ati's type to the tuner module |
| 03:56 | <jarodwilson> | I'd say rewind and try to get the cat /dev/video0 working |
| 03:56 | <knight-> | i'm willing to bet that the pvr250 and the all-in-wonder uses different tuners |
| 03:56 | <jarodwilson> | Ah, yes... I forgot about that. My bttv card and ivtv card are both type 2. |
| 03:57 | <knight-> | what tuner type number is the ati all-in-wonder? |
| 03:57 | <jbwiv> | jarodwilson: sorry, that should read bttv0: |
| 03:57 | <knight-> | if it isnt 2, you'll have to install the hacked ivtv driver |
| 03:57 | <jbwiv> | knight-: hang on. |
| 03:57 | <jarodwilson> | Well, the PVR-250 will work with either 2 or 8 for me... (philips or temic) |
| 03:58 | <jbwiv> | # tv wonder config |
| 03:58 | <jbwiv> | options bttv pll=1 radio=0 card=63 tuner=2 gbuffers=4 |
| 03:58 | <jbwiv> | options tuner type=2 |
| 03:58 | <knight-> | ok, so i'm assuming you found out the all-in-wonder is type 2 |
| 03:58 | <jarodwilson> | So tuner hopefully isn't a problem... |
| 03:58 | <jbwiv> | I pulled that from the old box I had this card in and dropped it in /etc/modules.conf |
| 03:58 | <knight-> | the ati? |
| 03:58 | <jbwiv> | yes |
| 03:58 | <knight-> | ok that shouldnt be the problem then |
| 03:59 | <knight-> | the module loading order is VERY important |
| 03:59 | <jbwiv> | i've had the ati awhile. Just got the PVR from amazon yesterday (the whole birthday thing) :-) |
| 03:59 | <jbwiv> | knight-: can I message you with a paste of my modules.conf? Would that be informative? |
| 03:59 | <knight-> | well |
| 04:00 | <jbwiv> | I'm very much a novice when it comes to modules..... |
| 04:00 | <jbwiv> | one thing interesting to note....I can't seem to get audio with xawtv against /dev/video1 either... |
| 04:01 | <jarodwilson> | hrm |
| 04:01 | <jarodwilson> | so about that module load order, knight... |
| 04:01 | <jbwiv> | xawtv says volumne at 98%...no sound. |
| 04:01 | <jarodwilson> | Oh, but wait. |
| 04:01 | <jbwiv> | should I do some rmmod/insmod'ing? |
| 04:02 | <jarodwilson> | If you've set up your mixer for MythTV, you'll have no sound in xawtv |
| 04:02 | <jarodwilson> | you'll have to unmute the line in for xawtv to have sound |
| 04:03 | <jbwiv> | hang on.... |
| 04:03 | <jbwiv> | line in isn't muted... |
| 04:03 | <jbwiv> | afaict |
| 04:03 | <jarodwilson> | not good |
| 04:03 | <jbwiv> | sigh... |
| 04:03 | <jbwiv> | sorry to be such a pain ;*( |
| 04:04 | <jbwiv> | I've been at this for over 8 hours now! ;) |
| 04:04 | <jarodwilson> | I like a good problem, and who needs sleep? |
| 04:05 | <jbwiv> | lol....yes. |
| 04:05 | <jbwiv> | looks like I'm coming down with a stomach flu (good work excuse). ;-) |
| 04:05 | <jarodwilson> | heh |
| 04:05 | <jarodwilson> | My wife had that today. ;p |
| 04:05 | <jbwiv> | lol |
| 04:06 | <jbwiv> | If i can get this thing working, it'll be worth it to see the look on my wife's face! She's been wanting a PVR for awhile now. Hate to miss that ;-) |
| 04:06 | <jbwiv> | let me give the cat thing a try again. |
| 04:06 | <jarodwilson> | Fire me off a copy of that modules.conf too |
| 04:07 | <knight-> | cat both devices |
| 04:07 | <jarodwilson> | just the PVR |
| 04:07 | <jarodwilson> | ? |
| 04:07 | <jarodwilson> | d'oh |
| 04:07 | <jarodwilson> | never mind |
| 04:08 | <jarodwilson> | What does one cat a bttv card to? |
| 04:08 | <jarodwilson> | A raw capture for the PVR creates an mpeg2 file, but a bttv card can't... |
| 04:21 | <tmk> | is the audio line-in mutedd |
| 04:21 | <tmk> | check your mixer settings |
| 04:21 | <jarodwilson> | We just got it fixed. |
| 04:21 | <tmk> | ah ok |
| 04:21 | <tmk> | what was it? |
| 04:21 | <jarodwilson> | It was a module config problem |
| 04:21 | <tmk> | ahso |
| 04:21 | <jarodwilson> | He'd cut and pasted the ATi card's mod config from another machine |
| 04:22 | <tmk> | ok sleep time |
| 04:22 | <jarodwilson> | and it had alias char-major-81 bttv |
| 04:22 | <jarodwilson> | instead of char-major-81-1 |
| 04:22 | <tmk> | that'll do it |
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| 04:27 | <jarodwilson> | g'night all... |
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| 08:43 | <michal> | do you guys know anything about what the best tvoutput capable video card is? |
| 08:43 | <michal> | sounds like the best thing available under linux is matrox via directfb |
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| 09:21 | <jbwiv> | morning guys... |
| 09:21 | <pahli_bar> | morning jbwiv |
| 09:21 | <jbwiv> | anyone running multiple capture cards? I'm having a small issue ;-) |
| 09:26 | <choenig> | jbwiv: I am |
| 09:27 | <jbwiv> | sweet choenig. |
| 09:27 | <jbwiv> | are you able to record in the background and watch live tv at the same time? |
| 09:28 | <choenig> | yes |
| 09:29 | <jbwiv> | choenig: sigh....I'm having a bit of a problem. MythTV just slows down and I get a black screen if I try to do that. |
| 09:30 | <jbwiv> | choenig: how can I verify what device is currently in use? |
| 09:30 | <choenig> | I think the first defined is used first |
| 09:31 | <jbwiv> | hmmm.... |
| 09:31 | <jbwiv> | I'm at a loss. |
| 09:31 | <jbwiv> | ;-) |
| 09:31 | <choenig> | you get the problem both when you start recording first, then livetv and vice versa? |
| 09:31 | <jbwiv> | Thanks for the answers. Now, I[m not even sure what questions to ask ;-) |
| 09:32 | <jbwiv> | at least the first scenario... |
| 09:32 | <jbwiv> | haven't tried the second. |
| 09:33 | <jbwiv> | how do I start recording *after* live tv? |
| 09:33 | <choenig> | schedule a recording within short time, then watch livetv and wait |
| 09:34 | <jbwiv> | ok, stand by. |
| 09:34 | <vektor> | michal: You were reading my page? :) |
| 09:40 | <jbwiv> | choenig: hmmm....in that scenario it works fine?!? |
| 09:41 | <jbwiv> | choenig: wonder what could be going on? |
| 09:42 | <jbwiv> | choenig: even more interesting...if I quit watching, go view some of the currrently being recorded show, and the go back to watching live tv, I lose sound on the live tv portion! |
| 09:42 | <jbwiv> | now I know I setup both tuners to use /dev/dsp....could that be the culprit? |
| 09:42 | <choenig> | hmm |
| 09:44 | <jbwiv> | sigh...what a pain ;-) |
| 09:48 | <jbwiv> | choenig: any ideas? |
| 09:49 | <choenig> | nope, sorru |
| 09:49 | <choenig> | sorry |
| 09:49 | <jbwiv> | choenig: ok, thanks anyway. Do you know if it's okay to have two tuners share the same dsp file? In other words, do your cards both use /dev/dsp? |
| 09:50 | <choenig> | no, you can't do that |
| 09:50 | <choenig> | I'm using btaudio for my first card, a pci card for my second one, and the onboardsound for my third capture card |
| 09:50 | <jbwiv> | ah...that's probably my problem then. |
| 09:51 | <jbwiv> | Ok, well, my PVR-250 supposedly sends directly to the Soundblaster card I have. My TV-wonder has a line that runs from it to the Soundblaster's onboard analog input. |
| 09:52 | <jbwiv> | Do I need to have two sound cards to use two tuners? |
| 09:52 | <jbwiv> | by line I mean an actual wire. |
| 09:53 | <choenig> | I don't know how those PVRs are handled with sound, but normally you need one for every capture card if you cannot use btaudio |
| 09:53 | <rkulagow> | the pvr-250 encodes sound directly in the stream that mythtv reads. it doesn't need a patch cable to a sound card. |
| 09:55 | <jbwiv> | hmmmm what does btaudio provide? I'm assuming that since the TV-wonder uses bttv that I can probably get that to work? |
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| 10:02 | <jbwiv> | ahha! got it. |
| 10:03 | <jbwiv> | choenig: changed the output on the TV-wonder card to use the cards audio-out and had that go into my cards external audio-in. then set the video1 to use dsp1. Works like a charm. |
| 10:03 | <jbwiv> | THanks for your help man! |
| 10:04 | <choenig> | its not that I brought the sollution, but noprob :-) |
| 10:04 | <jbwiv> | choenig: you stated that two devices coudn't share /dev/dsp ;-) |
| 10:05 | <choenig> | ok :) |
| 10:06 | <jbwiv> | hey, does anyone know if there's a way to get myth to support streaming mp3s? ala internet radio? |
| 10:09 | <choenig> | I think there were several ppl working on that, but AFAIK there never came anything out |
| 10:09 | <jbwiv> | choenig: ok, that's a shame. thanks. |
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| 10:16 | <choenig> | bbl |
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| 11:13 | <hurdel> | is cvs access working? i entered the password and it has been about a minute already |
| 11:15 | <ForsGump> | is pcHDTV seeking functional in myth? |
| 11:16 | <hurdel> | doh: cvs [login aborted]: connect to cvs.mythtv.org(66.93.11.148):2401 failed: Connection timed out |
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| 11:18 | <dwmurphy> | what was taht about char-major-81 vs -81-1? |
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| 11:29 | <RGi> | I have some trouble installing lirc... =/ |
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| 11:38 | <RGi> | arg.. this sux.. |
| 11:38 | <RGi> | ah. well.. look at it later.. just want this mythTV thingie to work =D |
| 11:42 | <hurdel> | does mythweb really need to run on the same machine as mythbackend? I'm asking because this never used to be the case |
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| 12:09 | <RGi> | hmm.. I cant get TV in mythTV... but when i do cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test_capture.mpg it captures video.....? |
| 12:10 | <RGi> | any good surgestions on what coul be wrong ? |
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| 12:15 | <mdz_> | slackware users are weird |
| 12:16 | <RGi> | slackware is nice =) |
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| 12:18 | <hurdel> | RGi : sound problems? |
| 12:19 | <RGi> | hurdel : nah.. the screen gets black.. nothing on it... =/ |
| 12:20 | <RGi> | hurdel, : havent connected anything to my soundcard yeat.. |
| 12:20 | <hurdel> | RGi : what does it say on your console? |
| 12:20 | <hurdel> | RGi : myth will still be trying to deal with sound tho |
| 12:20 | <hurdel> | when you cat /dev/video0 are you doing that as the same user that you are running myth as? |
| 12:21 | <RGi> | hurdel, : connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 |
| 12:21 | <RGi> | root. |
| 12:21 | <ForsGump> | pvr card? |
| 12:21 | <RGi> | hauppauge PVR 350 |
| 12:22 | <ForsGump> | hang on sshing into my mythbox |
| 12:22 | <hurdel> | when you try to watch tv tho and the screen is black, alt-tab to the console where you started mythfrontend |
| 12:22 | <hurdel> | see what it says |
| 12:22 | <ForsGump> | using tuner or composite/s-video |
| 12:23 | <RGi> | hurdel : I just wrote what it says... connecting to backend server....... |
| 12:23 | <RGi> | ForsGump : tuner |
| 12:24 | <ForsGump> | 'k i remember I had to pick Composite 4 to get the composite to work... but there's only 1 tuner |
| 12:25 | <ForsGump> | so never mind, sorry :( |
| 12:26 | <RGi> | could it be that I configured something wrong in mythtvsetup under general ?? (IP addresses etc..) |
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| 12:29 | <hurdel> | RGi : mythbackend is on the same box? |
| 12:29 | <RGi> | hurdel: yes.. |
| 12:29 | <RGi> | ehmm.. I dont have to run mythfilldatabase first to see anything right ?? =P |
| 12:30 | <hurdel> | don't think so |
| 12:30 | <RGi> | ok.. |
| 12:31 | <hurdel> | i just got myth working yesterday, so i'm not mr. experience by any stretch |
| 12:31 | <RGi> | =) |
| 12:31 | <mecraw> | i ran into problems changing channels the other night because i hadn't run mythfilldatabase yet |
| 12:31 | <RGi> | what TV card ? |
| 12:32 | <ForsGump> | that's probably on any card as it tries to query the DB for program info. |
| 12:32 | <RGi> | well.. I meant.. what card hurdel was using =) |
| 12:32 | <Chutt> | you do have to run mythfilldatabase first. |
| 12:32 | <hurdel> | hauppauge wintv |
| 12:33 | <Chutt> | like the docs tell you to. |
| 12:33 | <hurdel> | if Chutt had a nickel for every time he references the docs....... |
| 12:33 | <ForsGump> | been using myth since before it was client/server but that doesn't make me an expert |
| 12:33 | <RGi> | Chutt, : hmm okay... have to wait for some time then =/ |
| 12:34 | <ForsGump> | it does make me an expert on MY configuration however |
| 12:34 | <hurdel> | ForsGump : i had it rocking then too, until my mobo decided to die, didn't get it reinstalled until yesterday, been following the dev with envy since then :) |
| 12:34 | <ForsGump> | isn't myth one of the SWEETEST, COOLEST open source projects out there |
| 12:34 | <ForsGump> | ? |
| 12:34 | <ForsGump> | :) |
| 12:34 | <mecraw> | just put a few channels in you xxx.xmltv file and cancel out of mythfilldatabase to get a days worth of info if you're just testing |
| 12:36 | <ForsGump> | I'll ask my question from earlier: does anyone know if the pchdtv (hd-2000) has all live-tv functionality? |
| 12:36 | <Chutt> | not yet |
| 12:36 | <Chutt> | there's a bug w/ seeking forward, apparently |
| 12:36 | <RGi> | does the TV out work on the PVR 350 with MythTV ?? |
| 12:37 | <Chutt> | no. |
| 12:37 | <Chutt> | it barely works in the driver yet. |
| 12:37 | <RGi> | hehe.. okay... got to buy a new Video card with TV out then.... |
| 12:39 | <ForsGump> | chutt: thx for the info. am getting ready to jump on the hd-2000 but will wait for the kinks to be worked out since I have a dedicated mythbox and my wife is NOT a geek like me ;) |
| 12:39 | <Chutt> | the kinks _won't_ get worked out until someone does the work |
| 12:39 | <RGi> | ForsGump, =) |
| 12:40 | <ForsGump> | wish i remembered my c++ programming |
| 12:40 | <RGi> | ForsGump, I have a MSi Mega PC as a MythTV box =) |
| 12:40 | <ForsGump> | so long ago (10 years) since I did any *real* programming (beyond perl and bash scripts) |
| 12:41 | <ForsGump> | RGi i built a watercooled (for silence not overclocking) box to go with our hdtv :) |
| 12:41 | <RGi> | ForsGump, nice =) |
| 12:42 | <ForsGump> | RGi: thx :) |
| 12:55 | <poo> | ForsGump: nice! |
| 12:55 | <poo> | ForsGump: do you use the new pchd card(s) ? |
| 12:56 | <ForsGump> | am ordering one today |
| 12:56 | <ForsGump> | :) |
| 12:56 | <poo> | nice |
| 12:58 | <poo> | sounds like you have a high-end system. thats cool; thats what i want to build.. :P |
| 12:58 | <ForsGump> | poo: thx been slowly building up to it :) |
| 12:59 | <RGi> | where can I get NES and SNES games ? =) |
| 13:00 | <poo> | toys r us? :) |
| 13:02 | | * ForsGump is chucklin |
| 13:10 | <ForsGump> | brb |
| 13:26 | <RGi> | well.. the sound works... |
| 13:26 | <RGi> | just waiting for the TV database now... ugh.. |
| 13:26 | <RGi> | still waiting.. |
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| 13:42 | <rozo> | you don't need to wait |
| 13:42 | <rozo> | just run it in the background |
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| 13:46 | <orangebits> | Does the download on from the website support DVB? |
| 13:52 | <RGi> | rozo, : it does.. but I still have to wait for it to dl complet before I run the TV app right ? |
| 13:54 | <rozo> | nope. |
| 13:55 | <hurdel> | i just dl'd nuvexport and I see that the svcd support is currently disabled, is that going to be fixed? |
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| 14:02 | <Chutt> | thor, hey |
| 14:02 | <thor_> | Hey |
| 14:02 | <thor_> | how's it going? |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | decently |
| 14:05 | <thor_> | I've got some burning stuff working .... trying to get it a little more fleshed out |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 14:05 | <thor_> | will be nice |
| 14:06 | <Chutt> | i've gotten most of the OSD stuff done |
| 14:06 | <thor_> | cool |
| 14:06 | <thor_> | I may actually have to plug in a PVR-250 one of these days |
| 14:06 | <Chutt> | and i fixed the video corruption i was getting on the epia-m decoder =) |
| 14:06 | <Chutt> | so that's working ok now |
| 14:06 | <thor_> | er, 350 |
| 14:06 | <thor_> | cool |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | the osd doesn't look all that bad in 16 color greyscale |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | properly dithered, that is |
| 14:07 | <thor_> | after the burning and a few other tweaks, I want to do some serious rethink of a monolithic player that understands all metadata and has all "modules" in memory at all times ... |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 14:08 | <Chutt> | each module registers what it can handle |
| 14:08 | <thor_> | nice clean metadata class hierarchy |
| 14:08 | <thor_> | one object to ->play() video and audio |
| 14:08 | <Chutt> | the only thing i'm worried about is that i still think music should be presented differently than tv recordings |
| 14:09 | <thor_> | visually, yup |
| 14:09 | <Chutt> | but internally it can all be the same |
| 14:09 | <thor_> | yup yup |
| 14:10 | <thor_> | anyway .... worth burning some hours on |
| 14:10 | <tmk> | what was the corruption issue chutt? |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | the damn driver doesn't have any internal locks |
| 14:10 | <tmk> | heh |
| 14:11 | <Chutt> | and no way to get status information, ie, if it's still using an internal buffer or not |
| 14:11 | <Chutt> | i assumed that it did |
| 14:11 | <tmk> | silly chutt |
| 14:11 | <Chutt> | the locking, that is |
| 14:11 | <Chutt> | so i had to enforce some external locking on it |
| 14:12 | <tmk> | gotcha |
| 14:13 | <tmk> | find your day-job bug yet? |
| 14:13 | <Chutt> | heh no |
| 14:13 | <Chutt> | i think the machine's having hardware problems. |
| 14:13 | <tmk> | haha |
| 14:13 | <tmk> | yeah my box is like that sometimes |
| 14:13 | <tmk> | that's REALLY frustrating |
| 14:13 | <tmk> | spend all day debugging |
| 14:13 | <tmk> | change nothing |
| 14:13 | <Chutt> | i just had to have my boss drive in and reboot it manually |
| 14:13 | <tmk> | turn it off, let it cool down |
| 14:13 | <Chutt> | didn't respond to manually reboots |
| 14:13 | <tmk> | come back and it's fine |
| 14:14 | <Chutt> | err, remote reboots |
| 14:14 | <tmk> | you should get one of those network-controllable powerstrips |
| 14:14 | <tmk> | i have one at home |
| 14:14 | <tmk> | in case i feel like doing remote driver work and the machine locks |
| 14:14 | <Chutt> | cut power to it? |
| 14:14 | <tmk> | just power it off |
| 14:14 | <tmk> | ya |
| 14:14 | <tmk> | :) |
| 14:14 | <Chutt> | i'd need to setup a serial console, though |
| 14:15 | <tmk> | they have a web interface ususally |
| 14:15 | <tmk> | apc ones at least |
| 14:15 | <Chutt> | no, for the machine |
| 14:15 | <Chutt> | to handle fscks |
| 14:15 | <tmk> | oh it's a linux box? |
| 14:15 | <tmk> | yeah |
| 14:15 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 14:15 | <tmk> | that's easy tho |
| 14:15 | <Chutt> | yeah, but it takes time |
| 14:16 | <tmk> | in lilo.conf: |
| 14:16 | <tmk> | image=/vmlinuz |
| 14:16 | <tmk> | label=linux-scon |
| 14:16 | <tmk> | append="root=/dev/hda1 console=ttyS0,115200n8" |
| 14:16 | <tmk> | read-only |
| 14:17 | <tmk> | then you just need to run the cable |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | there's slightly more than that, but, yeah |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | i've done it a lot :p |
| 14:17 | <tmk> | i have it at home too |
| 14:17 | <tmk> | okok |
| 14:18 | <tmk> | just have to make sure the kernel supports it |
| 14:18 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 14:18 | <Chutt> | which, i don't believe that kernel does |
| 14:18 | <Chutt> | it's an old 2.4.6 custom job i did, modified to support a bunch of soundcards at once =) |
| 14:19 | <Chutt> | i don't think i turned on options i didn't need |
| 14:19 | <tmk> | that always bites me too |
| 14:26 | <RGi> | arg... I cant figure out why I cant watch TV.... |
| 14:27 | <RGi> | the only thing it writes on my console is ...connecting to backend server: 80.232.114.210:6543 |
| 14:27 | <Chutt> | what's the backend say? |
| 14:28 | <RGi> | ehmm... GOOD question ! I havent look at that yeat.. hehe |
| 14:29 | <RGi> | Probed: /dev/video0 - S-Video 3 |
| 14:29 | <RGi> | Cable is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput. |
| 14:30 | <Chutt> | so you didn't do section 4 of the setup program, most likely. |
| 14:30 | <RGi> | I did.. |
| 14:31 | <ForsGump> | the truth squirts out... :) |
| 14:31 | <RGi> | 2003-09-05 20:29:12 WARNING: Capture device /dev/dsp is not reporting full duplex capability. |
| 14:31 | <RGi> | See docs/mythtv-HOWTO, section 18 for more information. |
| 14:31 | <RGi> | Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| 14:31 | <RGi> | error reading from: /dev/video0 |
| 14:31 | <RGi> | read: Input/output error |
| 14:31 | <RGi> | hmm..... |
| 14:31 | <Chutt> | your ivtv driver is not installed/working properly. |
| 14:32 | <RGi> | Chutt, : well it works when I do cat /dev/vide0 > /file |
| 14:32 | <RGi> | but.. Il look at it.. |
| 14:34 | <RGi> | how can I delte a video source ?? |
| 14:34 | <Chutt> | a channel source? |
| 14:34 | <Chutt> | through the database. |
| 14:35 | <RGi> | mysql right ? |
| 14:35 | <Chutt> | yup. |
| 14:36 | <jkolb> | Should it even be trying to open /dev/dsp with a pvr? |
| 14:36 | <Chutt> | jkolb, if you set it to, yeah |
| 14:36 | <Chutt> | if you do like the howto says and set it to none instead of /dev/dsp, then no |
| 14:37 | <ForsGump> | and aren't we all supposed to rtfm? ;) |
| 14:37 | <jkolb> | Does myth still do the no video thing if you can't play audio? |
| 14:37 | <sfr> | yes |
| 14:37 | <jkolb> | So if it's opening /dev/dsp for capture, and it can't do full duplex, could that be the problem? |
| 14:37 | <RGi> | chutt : I used this howto.. http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-page.php?pageName=rh9pvr250 |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | no |
| 14:38 | <Chutt> | rgi, you're supposed to be reading the official docs. |
| 14:38 | <jkolb> | Why not? |
| 14:38 | <Chutt> | jkolb, it's not used beyond testing it for full-duplex capabilities in this case |
| 14:38 | <jkolb> | Oh, it closes it after that msg? |
| 14:39 | <RGi> | Chutt, : okay...*doh* going to do it now... =) |
| 14:39 | <Chutt> | jkolb, yeah |
| 14:46 | <hurdel> | sorry to repeat, but is nuvexport going to get svcd featrues back in it? |
| 14:47 | <hurdel> | they are currently disabled (dl'd it today) |
| 14:50 | <Chutt> | ask on the list. |
| 14:54 | <hurdel> | shall do |
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| 15:08 | <jbwiv> | lo all... |
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| 15:16 | <sfr> | hm, my frontend just got stuck while watching TV (rebuffering ...) should i wait for it to recover, or stop it with ctrl-c and take a backtrace with gdb? |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | backtrace |
| 15:17 | <Chutt> | see what it's doing |
| 15:17 | <sfr> | frontend or backend :) |
| 15:18 | <sfr> | i mean both are started with gdb so which one should i kill first? |
| 15:18 | <Chutt> | try to get em both done close to the same time |
| 15:18 | <Chutt> | but frontend first |
| 15:20 | <sfr> | ok, frontend is stopped, backend seems to do fine. will send the bt to the -dev list. |
| 15:21 | <Chutt> | leave it in gdb if you don't mind |
| 15:21 | <Chutt> | assuming the backtrace is good, i may want to look at it |
| 15:22 | <Chutt> | you noticed i applied your command line options patch, right? |
| 15:23 | <sfr> | yupp, yupp |
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| 15:27 | <sfr> | should be there now. |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | not yet |
| 15:28 | <sfr> | but shows up in the ml archive :) |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | getting delivered takes time |
| 15:29 | <cadavis> | I get errors manually building mythtv in debian. I need to recompile for VIA c3 processor so I can apt-get it. help!! |
| 15:29 | <sfr> | sorry Chutt the backend segfaulted just now. :( another mail? |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | just leave it |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | it probably didn't like the frontend going away |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | is all |
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| 15:30 | <cadavis> | I get errors when I try and use the "make" command |
| 15:30 | <Chutt> | cadavis, how the hell do you think someone can help you without you saying what the error is? |
| 15:30 | <thor_> | cadavis, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.1 |
| 15:30 | <cadavis> | sorry yall, I get the "No rule to make target" |
| 15:31 | <sfr> | Chutt, it seems to me, the backend of about 3 weeks ago wasn't so picky, or was i just lucky? |
| 15:31 | <cadavis> | I read and re-read the docs thor_ I just need to get this compiled and I'm good |
| 15:31 | <Chutt> | sfr, hasn't changed. |
| 15:33 | <thor_> | cadavis, "I need to recompile for VIA c3 processor so I can apt-get it" <-- huh? |
| 15:33 | <Chutt> | why are you messaging me? |
| 15:33 | <Chutt> | cadavis, you did _not_ read the docs _at all_ |
| 15:33 | <Chutt> | as that's covered in there. |
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| 15:34 | <cadavis> | I read the instructions, and I'm aware of what I need to do. I just am not that good at compiling. always have troubles |
| 15:34 | <Chutt> | you did not read the instructions. |
| 15:34 | <Chutt> | if you did, you wouldn't be asking that question |
| 15:34 | <Chutt> | as it's covered in there. |
| 15:35 | <Chutt> | hell, it's even in the troubleshooting section |
| 15:35 | <cadavis> | I have to manually build mythtv and edit the settings.pro to allow my VIA proc to work but I cannot sucessfully build the mythtv package. that why I asked for help |
| 15:35 | <Chutt> | with that _exact_ error message |
| 15:35 | <thor_> | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-singlehtml.html#ss19.20 |
| 15:35 | <cadavis> | oh damn |
| 15:36 | <cadavis> | I just saw that |
| 15:36 | <Chutt> | thor, next one. |
| 15:36 | <Chutt> | .21 |
| 15:36 | <cadavis> | sorry Chutt, sorry thor. didn't read far enough down... |
| 15:36 | <Chutt> | sfr, i don't see anything wrong |
| 15:36 | <Chutt> | sfr, aside from information missing (those first 3 threads missing backtraces) |
| 15:37 | <sfr> | Chutt: hm thats what script put in the log file. |
| 15:39 | <Chutt> | actually |
| 15:39 | <Chutt> | when did you pause it? |
| 15:39 | <sfr> | sorry? |
| 15:39 | <Chutt> | you hit pause somewhere in there, right? |
| 15:40 | <Chutt> | see thread 3 |
| 15:40 | <sfr> | earlier, yes, the last i think i did was a channel change, maybe 20 sec. before. |
| 15:41 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 15:41 | <Chutt> | odd. |
| 15:42 | <sfr> | Chutt, why does it say: no symbol table available for threads 7-4? |
| 15:42 | <Chutt> | i don't konw |
| 15:42 | <Chutt> | know |
| 15:42 | <Chutt> | would help to have those |
| 15:43 | <sfr> | i'm on debian unstable btw. |
| 15:43 | <Chutt> | huh, weird |
| 15:44 | <Chutt> | always works fine here |
| 15:44 | <sfr> | but i'm using WOLK kernels if that matters. |
| 15:44 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 15:44 | <Chutt> | i just wish i could reproduce this |
| 15:44 | <sfr> | the missing symbol table thing? |
| 15:45 | <Chutt> | no, the hang |
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| 15:46 | <sfr> | Chutt: this happens occasionally while watching live-tv (well, thats all i do). |
| 15:46 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:48 | <sfr> | i mean't i didn't record any movies lately :) |
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| 15:52 | <orangebits> | How does mythfilldatabase know what command to run? |
| 15:52 | <thor_> | eh? |
| 15:52 | <orangebits> | I keep getting "config file /home/ed/.mythtv/free.xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure" |
| 15:53 | <thor_> | perhaps run it with --configure ? |
| 15:54 | <orangebits> | Run what with --configure? It's not a valid option for mythfilldatabase |
| 15:54 | <sfr> | and no, not mythfilldatabase :) |
| 15:54 | <orangebits> | What then? |
| 15:54 | <sfr> | orangebits: the xmltv grabber you selected. |
| 15:55 | <orangebits> | I've already done that |
| 15:55 | <sfr> | tv_grab_na for US |
| 15:55 | <orangebits> | tv_grab_uk |
| 15:56 | <thor_> | orangebits, did you do setup as root and now trying to run mythfilldatabase as "ed"? |
| 15:57 | <orangebits> | I've tried as both users |
| 15:57 | <orangebits> | I've copied tv_grab_uk.conf to ~/.mythtv/free.xmltv and something seems to be happening |
| 15:57 | <cadavis> | okay guys, one more question, in woody stable there is no mkspecs dir in qt3 dir. do I need to recompile qt3 to get that or is it in another place in debian? |
| 15:58 | <thor_> | cadavis, I *think* you just need your QTDIR defined |
| 15:58 | <sfr> | cadavis: you installed the qt -dev package, right? |
| 15:59 | <cadavis> | is it qt3-dev or what is the package called? |
| 16:00 | <cadavis> | wait, okay libqt3-dev is installed |
| 16:00 | <cadavis> | so is there a howto on how I can define my qtdir? |
| 16:00 | <sfr> | for what thor_ said: export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3 |
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| 16:00 | <RGi> | WEE ! |
| 16:00 | <cadavis> | I tried to follow the mythtv FAQ but I hit errors |
| 16:00 | <cadavis> | ok |
| 16:00 | <RGi> | got it working ! |
| 16:00 | <ForsGump> | RGi: congrats |
| 16:00 | <sfr> | cadavis: it's all in the mythtv documentation. |
| 16:01 | <RGi> | it was problem with gnome (that I didnt read before now =( ) and with my sound card... =) |
| 16:03 | <sfr> | rkugalow: you there? |
| 16:04 | <cadavis> | holy shit it compiled! haha. okay so I was setting my qt dir wrong. |
| 16:05 | <sfr> | cadavis: and as an excuse: i don't find that mentioned for debian in the HOWTO 4.3 section. |
| 16:05 | <cadavis> | yeah, that's what I was saying |
| 16:05 | <cadavis> | it turned out the qt dir was in /usr/share/qt/mkspec |
| 16:05 | <cadavis> | not /usr/share/qt3/mkspec |
| 16:05 | <cadavis> | so that was my prob |
| 16:06 | <sfr> | cadavis: oh, i use debian instable only. |
| 16:06 | <cadavis> | ah, yeah I'm still in stable |
| 16:06 | <sfr> | cadavis: so you needed QTDIR=/usr/share/qt ? |
| 16:07 | <cadavis> | yeah, and then I made a soft link to that dir using "ln -sf linux-g++ default" |
| 16:07 | <cadavis> | then it worked fine |
| 16:07 | <cadavis> | still compiling BTW |
| 16:08 | <sfr> | cadavis: you are using mdz source packages? |
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| 16:09 | <cadavis> | no not the debain source |
| 16:09 | <cadavis> | just the reg source |
| 16:09 | <cadavis> | is that a prob? |
| 16:09 | <harrih> | Hi, is Chutt around ? |
| 16:09 | <sfr> | cadavis: i don't think. |
| 16:09 | <cadavis> | well I got install probs now |
| 16:09 | <cadavis> | install error 2 |
| 16:10 | <cadavis> | Ooo, no g++ installed. that's why |
| 16:10 | <sfr> | cadavis: that's why i asked :) no missing packages with those. |
| 16:10 | <harrih> | I get errors when recording some programs (some work without errors), mythbackend log show stuff like this: |
| 16:10 | <cadavis> | hmm.. would it be a similar compile method?? |
| 16:10 | <harrih> | header damagedMarker bit missing before time_incrementMarker bit missing before vop_codedvop not codedMarker bit missing before time_incrementMarker bit missing before vop_codedvop not codedMarker bit missing before time_incrementMarker bit missing before vop_codedvop not codedMarker bit missing before time_incrementMarker bit missing before vop_codedvop not coded |
| 16:11 | <harrih> | anyone know what might cause that |
| 16:11 | <thor_> | harrih, what kind of recording? |
| 16:11 | <cadavis> | sfr: I'm gonna try and recompile again. maybe it'll work better with g++ installed! :) |
| 16:11 | <harrih> | mpeg4 bt 878 |
| 16:12 | <sfr> | harrih: there is a mythtv-users ml. did you post there? No, sorry don't know what this means. |
| 16:12 | <thor_> | cadavis, I suspect that will work a little more smoothly? |
| 16:12 | <harrih> | not yet, this is also related to the FF freezing (going into rebuffering loop) that some people (me included) have |
| 16:12 | <thor_> | harrih, you got me ... sorry |
| 16:12 | <harrih> | i noticed that the files that were recorded and backend was giving these errors enter the loop |
| 16:13 | <harrih> | k. thanks thor.. I'll post a message in the mailing list |
| 16:13 | <sfr> | Chutt: the bt i sent yesterday also looks ok? |
| 16:13 | <cadavis> | thor_: haha yeah I think so |
| 16:14 | <thor_> | be sure to mention if you're using a release or CVS ... |
| 16:14 | <thor_> | (harrih) |
| 16:14 | <orangebits> | How does channel_dvb get filled? |
| 16:14 | <harrih> | yeah, using cvs |
| 16:16 | <RGi> | QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range. ? |
| 16:16 | <hadees> | anyone know where i can get help setting up tv out on my nvidia graphic card, for some reason nvtv isn't displaying it |
| 16:16 | <RGi> | I see that on my mythfrontend console. |
| 16:18 | <sfr> | Chutt: ahem, just to make sure: having libmyth and the mythfroned executable compiled for debugging is enough? (did a release install first and only copied these two over later on) |
| 16:19 | <sfr> | Chutt mythfronted resp. mythbackend |
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| 17:45 | <o_cee> | how does myth handle a properly broadcasted 16:9 anamorfic show on a 4:3? does it add borders? |
| 17:46 | <knight-> | do the screens in all the myth modules extend something? |
| 17:48 | <tmk> | has anyone written a digital cable serial connection channel-changer yet? |
| 17:48 | <tmk> | someone tried to get me to write one |
| 17:48 | <mikegrb> | tmk: there has been talk about it on the list |
| 17:49 | <tmk> | yeah, but did anyone actually DO it |
| 17:49 | <mikegrb> | from the list posts it sounded like more then one person was using a script so I'd say yes |
| 17:49 | <o_cee> | with a SVHS->SCART cable.. is it possible to trigger the "switch to this input" on the tv? anyone who knows? would be great if myth would tell the tv to switch automatically.. |
| 17:49 | <knight-> | the windows are extensions of MythDialog right? |
| 17:49 | <mikegrb> | dunno if it was written by a myth person or someone else though |
| 17:50 | <RGi> | hmm anyone here that hav had problems running make on lirc CVS and stable ? |
| 17:51 | <hadees> | where can i get a config file for the hauppauge remote that came with the pvr250 |
| 17:51 | <hadees> | for lirc |
| 17:51 | <sfr> | o_cee: don't know, i thought vcr's also output a 'switch' signal on one pin, but i could be wrong. |
| 17:51 | <hadees> | i didn't see it in the lirc remote dir for hauppauge |
| 17:52 | <o_cee> | sfr: yeah.. but i'm not sure if it's connected to the svhs pins.. |
| 17:52 | <knight-> | hadess, look in the contrib |
| 17:52 | <knight-> | erm |
| 17:52 | <knight-> | look in the ivtv utils dir |
| 17:52 | <sfr> | o_cee: i meant when using a scart-to-scart connection. |
| 17:52 | <o_cee> | sfr: yeah, scart->scart wouldn't be any problems.. my dvd works like that.. |
| 17:53 | <o_cee> | http://www.deviantart.com/view/2842280/ <-- friggin awesome icon for moz firebird |
| 17:53 | <vektor> | Chutt: How do you do mappings from XMLTV channel names to channels? |
| 17:54 | <sfr> | vektor: i'll just stomp in :) there's a xmltvid field for every channel in the channels table. |
| 17:55 | <vektor> | and the user does that manually? |
| 17:55 | <vektor> | i have like 60 channels i'm just wondering what heuristic chutt uses, there must be some :) |
| 17:56 | <vektor> | cause it works fine here, i just do string compares on the display-name field, but i have some european/australian users who don't seem to have this luxury :) |
| 17:56 | <sfr> | vektor: no, it's set up when running mythfilldatabase afaik |
| 17:56 | <tmk> | ooh someone did |
| 17:56 | <tmk> | excellent |
| 17:57 | <vektor> | sfr: manually ? |
| 17:57 | <sfr> | vektor: meaning mythfilldatabase will propagate the channels table with the info from the grabber script. |
| 17:57 | <vektor> | sure but you miss my point :) |
| 17:57 | <vektor> | i did xmltv support in mythtv |
| 17:58 | <vektor> | oops |
| 17:58 | <vektor> | in tvtime :) |
| 17:58 | <sfr> | vektor: i think so :) |
| 17:58 | <vektor> | and i want to know how to map from these xmltv channel names to like frequencies that i tune to |
| 17:58 | <vektor> | at some point, an association needs to be made that i should use frequency blah and that == xmltv channel name bar |
| 17:59 | <tmk> | get the channel # |
| 18:00 | <tmk> | and the cable-tv frequencies list |
| 18:00 | <tmk> | mapit |
| 18:00 | <vektor> | that works for me, not for european users ;) |
| 18:00 | <vektor> | they don't use channel #s consistently like that :) |
| 18:00 | <tmk> | the video::Frequencies perl module for ivtv has all the euro channels and such |
| 18:00 | <sfr> | vektor: ok, a bit of guessing now: every channel has a freqid field which i think maps to the frequencies list tmk mentioned. (like SE9 E12 and so on) |
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| 18:01 | <RGi> | parameterless "use IO" deprecated at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/XML/Writer.pm |
| 18:02 | <RGi> | that isnt a good line when I start mythfilldatabase right ? |
| 18:02 | <vektor> | sfr: Sure if it had that info, that would be acceptable. I have some output from an australian user that has an "xmltv compatible" output, and it only gives: <channel id="C28.ebroadcast.com.au"><display-name lang="en">SBS</display-name></channel> |
| 18:02 | <vektor> | sfr: And that's it :) |
| 18:02 | <vektor> | sfr: So, I was just wondering if that's normal or what. |
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| 18:03 | <michal__> | is the matrox g400 - g550 the best card for proper synced tv out? |
| 18:03 | <vektor> | Cause I can't map from SBS to anything, and I don't think I'm supposed to parse that C28.ebroadcast.com.au part, but maybe I am. |
| 18:03 | <michal__> | oi!! |
| 18:03 | <michal__> | "g'day" |
| 18:03 | <tmk> | i think just the g400 has support |
| 18:03 | <sfr> | vektor: sorry, its late over here. what do you mean by normal? |
| 18:03 | <tmk> | and i hear it's tricky to setup, but good quality |
| 18:04 | <tmk> | but i don't know everything, and don't run a g4xx |
| 18:04 | <sfr> | vektor: i guess xmltv doesn't care about frequencies, that's left to you. |
| 18:04 | <michal__> | tmk: read that the g400 has full specs, but that the g400 - g550 work almost exactly the same.. with the g450 amd g550 having a couple of extra features |
| 18:04 | <vektor> | sfr: Well that's what I want to know I guess, how does MythTV do it, but I guess you don't know. |
| 18:05 | <sfr> | tmk: Hey no false accusations, please. :) I got it working so it can't be that bad. |
| 18:05 | <vektor> | michal_: If you're writing a program that requires output to an interlaced device, I would recommend the G400 or G450 or G550. |
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| 18:05 | <sfr> | vektor: not really :) |
| 18:05 | <vektor> | michal_: If you're trying to use a program like mythtv though, you should look more into how it works and stuff. |
| 18:05 | <michal__> | vektor: i specifically want to take advantage of the scart rgb out capability.. |
| 18:05 | <vektor> | michal_: The nice TV output driver for the matrox cards is in DirectFB based on some leaked source code. |
| 18:05 | <vektor> | Yeah, I'm pretty sure the DirectFB driver supports that. |
| 18:06 | <vektor> | I don't think MythTV will work with DirectFB though :) |
| 18:06 | <michal__> | it does.. i read up on it last night |
| 18:06 | <michal__> | that would be a secondary step |
| 18:06 | <michal__> | first i want to get the best possible hardware |
| 18:06 | <michal__> | then i want to make the software work with it |
| 18:07 | <michal__> | vektor: what sort of setuo do you have? |
| 18:07 | <michal__> | setup |
| 18:07 | <Chutt> | vektor, qt/directfb |
| 18:08 | <Chutt> | and, the channel id field in xmltv is just an internal id |
| 18:08 | <Chutt> | the first display name is a human readable name |
| 18:08 | <Chutt> | and the second display name, if it exists is the tuneable channel number |
| 18:08 | <Chutt> | if it doesn't exist, you have to ask the user |
| 18:08 | <michal__> | i can't really play with mythtv properly yet as i don't require the environment it provides, AND I don't have the sort of hardware that it needs. at least not all in the same computer |
| 18:09 | <michal__> | but i'm still interested in getting it going.. at least to see what it's like |
| 18:09 | <michal__> | vektor: btw.. the xml tv grabbing script for au is still pretty broken. |
| 18:09 | <vektor> | michal_: ah, thanks. |
| 18:10 | <vektor> | Chutt: Ok, that's exactly what I wanted to know, thanks. |
| 18:10 | <michal__> | it mis-parses a lot |
| 18:10 | <michal__> | or makes incorrect assumptions |
| 18:10 | <Chutt> | vektor, that's _only_ true with 0.5.15 and newer |
| 18:10 | <Chutt> | older versions were different |
| 18:10 | <vektor> | fuckers |
| 18:10 | <michal__> | bbl.. breakfast |
| 18:10 | <Chutt> | and the source of much annoyance on my part |
| 18:11 | <Chutt> | ed avis, the main xmltv guy, finally subscribed to my mailing list |
| 18:11 | <Chutt> | guess he realized that most problems are asked about there before on the actual xmltv lists =) |
| 18:14 | <RGi> | Chutt, : how is the support on Norway/sweden on xlmtv ? |
| 18:14 | <o_cee> | RGi: it's good |
| 18:14 | <o_cee> | www.dagenstv.com |
| 18:14 | <o_cee> | grabs from there |
| 18:14 | <o_cee> | works like a charm for me |
| 18:14 | <Chutt> | i don't really know about anything other than _na |
| 18:14 | <RGi> | good =) |
| 18:14 | <RGi> | o_cee, from norway ? |
| 18:15 | <o_cee> | swe |
| 18:15 | <RGi> | ahh.. okay |
| 18:15 | <o_cee> | and you're a norweigian "gutt"? |
| 18:16 | <RGi> | yapp =) |
| 18:16 | <o_cee> | ;) |
| 18:16 | <RGi> | fuck.. I just get errors on this... ARG |
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| 18:19 | <RGi> | hmm.. |
| 18:19 | <RGi> | have you had any other Norwegians had problem with xmltv ? |
| 18:29 | <o_cee> | thinking about doing a theme for myth.. |
| 18:29 | <o_cee> | maybe.. the default is nice, but it could be even cooler :) |
| 18:31 | <o_cee> | http://www.deviantart.com/view/2826775/ <-- mayb that kind of style? |
| 18:32 | <sfr> | rkulagow: ? |
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| 18:47 | <o_cee> | alot of icons that is needed for a theme |
| 18:47 | <o_cee> | alot of icons needed for a theme.. |
| 18:47 | <o_cee> | ops |
| 18:48 | <o_cee> | :) |
| 18:49 | <thor_> | o_cee, myth will use defaults if it doesn't find theme-specific icons ... you can build it out gradually |
| 18:50 | <o_cee> | yeah.. but it's a huge project to make a icon based theme |
| 18:50 | <o_cee> | like the default |
| 18:51 | <thor_> | a journey of a thousand miles begins with one step =) |
| 18:51 | <o_cee> | hehehhe |
| 18:51 | <o_cee> | true |
| 18:51 | <o_cee> | :) |
| 18:52 | <tmk> | yeah, one step to the car |
| 18:52 | <tmk> | then a lot of sitting |
| 18:52 | <sfr> | tmk: Buh! |
| 18:52 | <tmk> | :) |
| 18:53 | <michal__> | anyone here actually have a matrox card? i'm having trouble finding out which oone is the overall best under linux |
| 18:53 | | * sfr raises hand |
| 18:54 | <michal__> | it looks pretty much like a competition between the g450 and the g550 .. i don't really know what the pros and cons of either are though |
| 18:54 | <o_cee> | did anything happen with the discussion about animations in the themes? |
| 18:55 | <thor_> | o_cee, expected overhead of alpha blending over and/or under an animation was regarded as just too computationally expensive |
| 18:55 | <sfr> | michal___ i only have a g400/marvel-g400, don't know about the later cards. use google. |
| 18:55 | <tmk> | http://www.poptix.net/ivtv/Jul-2003/msg00368.html |
| 18:56 | <tmk> | see that thread for g400 tv-out setup |
| 18:56 | <o_cee> | thor: but at the menus nothing is actually done? except maybe recording, but that's the backend anyway.. |
| 18:56 | <michal__> | ok.. thanks. but does anyone anywhere mention the differences between the different models of these cards? |
| 18:57 | <tmk> | i don't think anything past the 400 is supported |
| 18:57 | <tmk> | unless matrox wrote drivers themselves |
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| 18:57 | <thor_> | o_cee, yup ... but do you want to explain to users that they have jitters in their recording because of animated buttons and backgrounds ? |
| 18:57 | <tmk> | ask vektor |
| 18:57 | <o_cee> | tmk: the rev1 pvr250, that has the same chip as the 350.. is it possible to use the better chip somehow? |
| 18:57 | <michal__> | i don't think the g400 supports scart rgb out |
| 18:57 | <tmk> | o_cee: perhaps someday |
| 18:57 | <tmk> | but not for now |
| 18:58 | <sfr> | tmk, michal__: afaik there are fb drivers for the later models in the kernel. |
| 18:58 | <o_cee> | thor: well.. stupid users.. |
| 18:58 | <o_cee> | tmk: okay.. |
| 18:58 | <o_cee> | got one of those big cards :) |
| 18:59 | <tmk> | big cards? |
| 18:59 | <o_cee> | the rev1 is bigger then the rev2 i think? no? |
| 19:00 | <tmk> | dunno |
| 19:00 | <tmk> | i have a 250r1 and a 350 |
| 19:00 | <o_cee> | think it is. asked a friend to measure one, and the one i got was bigger then that |
| 19:00 | <o_cee> | aren't they about the same size? |
| 19:00 | <tmk> | mine seem the same |
| 19:00 | <tmk> | haven't really looked though |
| 19:00 | <tmk> | my box is plenty big for 2 |
| 19:01 | <o_cee> | mine isn't :) built it myself.. gotta rebuild it a little.. |
| 19:01 | <o_cee> | and finish it up.. bah. |
| 19:03 | <michal__> | i wonder if there is any advantage with going with a g550 over a g450 |
| 19:06 | <michal__> | my problem is that i WANT a g450 but the g550 is much more common, and cheaper |
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| 19:09 | <michal> | i wish tvtime worked with budget dvb cards :\ |
| 19:10 | <michal> | looks like a great app.. i love the interface |
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| 19:22 | <mecraw> | I'm looking at the ToggleInputs functionality (hitting 'C' while watching TV), and it's checking for an empty string in the inputTuneTo array, but I doesn't look like it could ever be empty |
| 19:23 | <mecraw> | the query that fills that info puts "Undefined" in there if it empty in the database |
| 19:26 | <mecraw> | When I have a composite input plugged into my pvr and hit 'C' it stops at each of the other 4 composite inputs even though they don't have video sources defined |
| 19:26 | <mecraw> | anyone else see this too? |
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| 19:29 | <tmk> | i think it cycles through all available video inputs |
| 19:29 | <tmk> | attached or not |
| 19:29 | <tmk> | cause you may have a direct-in |
| 19:30 | <tmk> | and no channel-list should be on them |
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| 19:31 | <mecraw> | right, but i want to deactivate the 4 "phantom" composite inputs, since there is really only one physical composite input |
| 19:35 | <tmk> | you could disable them in the ivtv soruces |
| 19:35 | <tmk> | not sure if there's any way to mask them in myth |
| 19:35 | <tmk> | if it's a database entry, maybe |
| 19:35 | <tmk> | but i have a feeling it's probed on startup |
| 19:35 | <tmk> | chutt? |
| 19:43 | <tmk> | does the 'del' key work in the setup program for inputs |
| 19:43 | <tmk> | ie to delete the input from being used |
| 19:43 | | * tmk grabs at straws |
| 19:43 | <tmk> | i'll bbl |
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| 19:52 | <michal> | i wish budget dvb cards provided /dev/video :\ |
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| 20:12 | <michal> | is there any way to emulate /dev/video on a budget dvb card? |
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| 20:17 | <michal> | seems like bttv based cards are the only ones worth having :\ |
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| 22:50 | <monkeyBox> | Sweet! I just got minimyth to work on my EPIA-M board :) :) :) |
| 22:50 | <monkeyBox> | Although I can't get it to read the boot file for some reason, so I have to type in kernel params manually... |
| 22:51 | <monkeyBox> | still awesome though |
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| 23:02 | <dsotm> | im having some trouble with initial setup |
| 23:02 | <dsotm> | im using the debs |
| 23:02 | <dsotm> | and it keeps dying on the database package |
| 23:02 | <dsotm> | tried docs, and i cant seem to find what i need to know |
| 23:02 | <dsotm> | anyone got a clue to hit me with? |
| 23:03 | <hadees> | i am getting some wierd errors when i try to use lirc |
| 23:04 | <hadees> | i run irw and it just stops with no errors, so looked at the log |
| 23:04 | <hadees> | and this is what i got |
| 23:04 | <hadees> | could not open /dev/lirc |
| 23:04 | <hadees> | irman_init(): Connection timed out |
| 23:04 | <hadees> | caught signal |
| 23:06 | <hadees> | anyone seen an error like this before? |
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| 23:21 | <dwmurphy> | i've got some specific info regarding my audio problems.. anyone wanna try to help? |
| 23:22 | <hadees> | if you figure out why my lirc doesn't work |
| 23:22 | <hadees> | i'll help you out |
| 23:22 | <hadees> | to the best of my ablity |
| 23:22 | <dwmurphy> | heh |
| 23:22 | <dwmurphy> | fair 'nuff |
| 23:23 | <hadees> | when i run irw |
| 23:23 | <dwmurphy> | ok.. if i plug headphones into my *rear* line out, i can watch tv in a way that demonstrates that it is being digitized, etc. (i.e. the sound pauses when the video stutters) |
| 23:24 | <hadees> | i get errors in my /var/log/lircd |
| 23:24 | <hadees> | could not open /dev/lirc |
| 23:24 | <hadees> | irman_init(): Connection timed out |
| 23:25 | <monkeyBox> | wow.. booted into X in 45 seconds.. not bad :) |
| 23:25 | <hadees> | caught signal |
| 23:25 | <dwmurphy> | does /dev/lirc exist? |
| 23:25 | <hadees> | yup |
| 23:25 | <dwmurphy> | is lircd running? |
| 23:26 | <hadees> | yup |
| 23:26 | <dwmurphy> | monkeyBox: cheer :) |
| 23:27 | <dwmurphy> | hadees: what card do you have? |
| 23:27 | <hadees> | you mean what irc reciver? |
| 23:27 | <hadees> | irman |
| 23:27 | <monkeyBox> | still can't get my keyboard to work though... this minimyth distro doesn;t have kernel loggin :p |
| 23:28 | <dwmurphy> | monkeyBox: doh! does it have serial consoles? |
| 23:28 | <monkeyBox> | I can telnet into it |
| 23:28 | <dwmurphy> | hadess: what card does that run on? |
| 23:28 | <hadees> | what do you mean by card? |
| 23:28 | <monkeyBox> | dwmurphy: actually, the keyboard works until X loads... hmm. |
| 23:28 | <hadees> | you mean the irman chipset? |
| 23:29 | <dwmurphy> | monkeyBox: itneresting... |
| 23:29 | <dwmurphy> | hadess: what capture card are you running? |
| 23:30 | <hadees> | oh pvr250 but that shouldn't have anything to do with lirc, should it? |
| 23:30 | <dwmurphy> | hadees: the setup is different from one card to another. my winfast wasn't too bad. which version of lirc are you using? |
| 23:31 | <hadees> | 0.6.6 |
| 23:31 | <dwmurphy> | try getting the lastest cvs snapshot from their site. i needed to |
| 23:31 | <dwmurphy> | http://lirc.sourceforge.net/software/snapshots/ |
| 23:38 | <hadees> | i installed the latest lirc same damn error |
| 23:42 | <dwmurphy> | pre2? |
| 23:42 | <dwmurphy> | i don't have a pvr250, so i'm not sure. sec. |
| 23:44 | <dwmurphy> | http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-page.php?pageName=rh9pvr250#lirc |
| 23:45 | <monkeyBox> | Is there anything in the XFree85 configuration that would keep me from using a keyboard? |
| 23:46 | <hadees> | hey /dev/lircd doesn't point to anything yet /dev/lirc points to the serial device |
| 23:46 | <hadees> | should /dev/lircd point to somthing? |
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| 23:51 | <dwmurphy> | my /dev/lircd down't point to anything |
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| 23:51 | <dwmurphy> | neither does my /dev/lirc, but i think that has to do with the type of remote. |
| 23:52 | <dwmurphy> | are you sure that serial port isn't bneing used? |
| 23:54 | <hadees> | how could it be being used if it is the only thing attached |
| 23:56 | <dwmurphy> | serial consoles or mice can user a serial device |
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