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---Logopened Fri Sep 12 00:00:01 2003
00:01<mikegrb> <--- this looks good
00:01<mikegrb>use set an enviroment varialbe LIRC_OPTS="--with-driver=blah"
00:08<mikegrb>hadees: that help you out?
00:10<mikegrb>hadees: google turned that up as the first hit :-)
00:11<hadees>mikegrb: kind of but i am not sure what my driver name is
00:12<hadees>its the irman
00:12<hadees>but is irman just irman
00:12<mikegrb>you should be able to get that from the normol docs
00:13<hadees>and if i say irman as the driver will it get libirman?
00:15<mikegrb>I dunno
00:16<mikegrb>you might just try irman the docs on the lirc site say you have to run ./configure --help to find out what the drivers are
00:17<mikegrb>if configure doesn't recognize it as a driver hopefully it would exit with an error code
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00:22<tmk>chutt: i think i got it all in.
00:30<tmk>somthing's acting funny though
00:30<tmk>won't compile properly
00:35<tmk>got it
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00:40<tmk>chutt: you've got /msg
00:42<tmk>it's in CVS
00:42<tmk>i'll be on irc in 20-30 mins (have to go in to work :/)
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00:42<Chutt>i'll check it out later tonight
00:44<hadees>mikegrb: did you have any problems setting up lirc like an error when running irw that said connect: No such file or directory
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01:05<mikegrb>I don't use IRC so I can't help you there :/ .... I use an X-10 PC Anywhere RF remote on one computer and then I've got an xbox using the dvd remote (shows up as an usb keyboard)
01:13<hadees>you don't use lirc?
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01:38* tmk envisions chutt coding away
01:38<tmk>but it's more likely that he's sleeping
01:38* thor_ wonders if tmk ever sleeps
01:39<Chutt>naw, i'm still looking at what i broke
01:39<thor_>reducing channel changing time stuff ?
01:39<Chutt>something else
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01:39<tmk>i'm in PST
01:39<tmk>i sleep at night
01:39<tmk>it's 10:40 here now
01:40<tmk>usually go to bed round midnite
01:40<jarodwilson>Egad! Sleep? What ever for?... :)
01:41<jarodwilson>tmk: did you catch the email on the mythtv-users list from Keith C, saying that the module config I settled on last night fixed two outstanding issues he was having?
01:42<tmk>no i don't read myth mailing lists :)
01:42<tmk>too much traffic
01:42<tmk>but congrats :)
01:42<tmk>it's nice to help people
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01:42<jarodwilson>Aha. True... I was away from my email for the entire day, and something like 150 messages built up...
01:42<jarodwilson>Yes, indeed.
01:43<tmk>i figure i get so much free software, i should give back once in a while
01:43<thor_>signal to noise ratio bad of late ... someone earlier tonight actually asked about getting an All In Wonder working
01:43<jarodwilson>No doubt.
01:43<tmk>so every few years i do a project of some kind
01:43<jarodwilson>That was my whole theory behind the writing I did, since I haven't programmed in a few years.
01:44<tmk>i'm so happy that the pvr-350 tv out is working with myth
01:44<tmk>and working pretty well i might add
01:44<jarodwilson>Now I almost wish I'd spent the extra for a 350 instead of a 250! :)
01:44<thor_>tmk, this is mpg out, or X on the fb on 350 out ?
01:44<jarodwilson>I'm having a complete bitch of a time grying to get this VGA->component video adapter working...
01:44<tmk>thor_: neither really
01:45<tmk>well half mpg out
01:45<tmk>it's working properly with ff/rewind
01:45<tmk>and soon the OSD will come
01:45<thor_>ah ....
01:46<jarodwilson>anyone seen bbeattie around of late?
01:46<jarodwilson>I've got some questions for him...
01:46<tmk>he was here last nite round this time i think
01:46<bobnvic>any ideas on why test_ioctl would fail? if I do a -f, -u or even -a options I get a failed message. but otherwise ivtv works fine.
01:46<tmk>what're those options
01:47<thor_>bodnvic, -d and the right device ?
01:47<tmk>always you get those options?
01:47<jarodwilson>my pcHDTV card hasn't shown up just yet, but I wanna pick his (or anyone else's that can help) brain about getting video out to my tv via component video working...
01:47<bobnvic>-a lists all of your settings
01:47* tmk still surprised how many people use pvr cards :)
01:47<bobnvic>I love 'em! better than my bttv card picture
01:47<jarodwilson>Lord, WAY better than my bttv card...
01:48<jarodwilson>But not as good as the picture from the Motorola DCT5100 Comcast dropped off yesterday!
01:48<tmk>chutt sez his wintv go + radio (i think) has similar quality
01:48<tmk>DCT5100 eh
01:48<jarodwilson>Similar quality to a PVR?!?
01:48<tmk>in mpg4
01:48<jarodwilson>Yep, it KICKS ASS
01:48<tmk>i have a DT2000
01:48<tmk>i need to get it replaced
01:49<tmk>so i can get a serial port
01:49<bobnvic>thor: what is the -d option, I didn't see it on the ivtv FAQ page
01:49<jarodwilson>I have one of those too.
01:49<tmk>it's got other problems also
01:49<tmk>so i can justify the replacement
01:49<tmk>does the 5100 have faster menus?
01:49<thor_>bobnvic, if the card is /dev/video2, you do test_ioctl -d /dev/video2 -a
01:50<jarodwilson>The DCT5100 has a built-in cable modem (though I've already got one), a SO-DIMM slot, onboard Ethernet, firewire, usb, internal IDE connectors, component video out, s-video out, s/pdif digital and coax audio out...
01:50<tmk>wow, fancy
01:50<jarodwilson>Yes, the menus are MUCH faster. I was noticing that tonight.
01:50<tmk>did it cost extra or something?
01:50<jarodwilson>They're pretty much instantaneous
01:50<jarodwilson>One-time $16 trip fee for the Comcast sub-contractor to deliver it.
01:51<jarodwilson>No change in monthly cost.
01:51<tmk>you just called up and asked?
01:51<jarodwilson>DEFINITELY worth it. :)
01:51<bobnvic>thor_: BINGO! that worked. thanks man, your better than the ivtv FAQ and the mythtv mailing lists. I didn't see that anywhere.
01:51<jarodwilson>Pretty much. I told them I've got an HDTV, and wanted a HD box.
01:51<tmk>i see
01:51<jarodwilson>The 5100 is what they brought out.
01:51<tmk>does it have a serial port?
01:51<jarodwilson>Can't remember, just a sec...
01:51<tmk>i don't wanna build an ir transmitter
01:52<thor_>bobnvic, just set up a PVR-250 yesterday, so it was fresh in my mind ...
01:52<tmk>but serial connectors i've got
01:52<jarodwilson>No serial port, but there's an IR Blast port
01:52<tmk>bobnvic: i think if you do test_ioctl -h it describes the -d option
01:52<jarodwilson>(looks like a mini stereo plug)
01:52<tmk>ir blast is outpu
01:53<tmk>i wonder if it's got a web interface
01:53<jarodwilson>And IR Blaster code 0476 is supposed to work nicely with it
01:53<tmk>for input?
01:53<jarodwilson>Good question. I haven't hooked up the ethernet port yet
01:53<jarodwilson>(for input)
01:53<jarodwilson>(it also has DVI-D out)
01:53<bobnvic>I was thinking of sending in some changes to the pvr install section and I think that's worth adding as well
01:54<jarodwilson>I'm feeling inspired. I'm going to go plug it in to my network...
01:54<tmk>bobnvic: sure, send em in
01:54<tmk>i'll add em if they're good :)
01:54<tmk>err for ivtv or for myth?
01:55<bobnvic>for mythtv howto on pvr install. simple stuff like you need to do make in the /utils directory and such
01:56<bobnvic>that step was skipped so if you follow the docs it is a bit confusing when test_ioctl hasn't been compiled and the docs assume they have.
02:00<jarodwilson>Huh. The DCT5100 doesn't seem to wanna grab an IP via DHCP...
02:00<jarodwilson>Time for a packet sniffer...
02:03<thor_>jarodwilson, it may be listening for some client software connect on the ethernet level ... like a cheap ethernet print server dongle ... have you checked the Motorola site for support/config software? ... just a guess
02:03<jarodwilson>thor_, I've only briefly looked around. I saw some docs that said the ethernet port was "disabled" by default...
02:04<jarodwilson>And other places that mention controlling it from a computer somehow...
02:04<jarodwilson>I know it'll do IP one way or another, because it has an integrated cable modem
02:05<thor_>it may well want some kind of low level ethernet "kick" to tell it what IP address to use
02:05<jarodwilson>I'll poke around motorola some more...
02:05<jarodwilson>yeah, could be. An ethereal capture isn't revealing anything, but I suppose it may sit dormant until you kick it. :)
02:08<thor_>tmk, btw, the ivtv software works *really* well ... thanks
02:08<jarodwilson>aha... found some more pdfs on moto's site...
02:09<jarodwilson>And I concur. ivtv kicks.
02:11<jarodwilson>well, the dct5100 user's manual is mostly worthless on the ethernet front
02:12<tmk>well thx
02:12<jarodwilson>it basically says "contact your service provider" to figure out anything with the ethernet, usb or firewire
02:13<tmk>i think the old cable modems were always or something
02:13<tmk>you could http to them
02:14<tmk>perhaps this has a web mgmt also
02:15<tmk>that'll tell you what the ethernet is set to
02:15<jarodwilson>tmk: my mistake, the IR Blast port is for controlling an external device from the 5100, not controlling the 5100 from another device
02:15<tmk>err click the link under 'Latest news for the 5100'
02:15<tmk>right :)
02:15<tmk>the 2000's have an optional serial port
02:15<jarodwilson>ah yes, I've actually already been there
02:16<tmk>since i barely have svideo support
02:16<jarodwilson>yeah, my 2000 has one also
02:16<tmk>i'd prefer actual serial control
02:16<tmk>vs building an ir setup
02:16<jarodwilson>Well, there's the USB ports...
02:16<tmk>i have a feeling that's for addons, not for controlling it
02:16<jarodwilson>Not sure if a usb->serial adapter would do any good, of if there's a way to directly control it via usb
02:16<jarodwilson>yeah, probably.
02:17<jarodwilson>the pic in the manual show a mouse, keyboard, joystick, hard drive, a computer, a printer and a digital camera as things that might interface via usb...
02:18<jarodwilson>Is there such a thing as a component or DVI input capture card supported under Linux?
02:18<jarodwilson>I could go s-video from the 5100 to my PVR, but I'd love to be able to do full HD...
02:19<Chutt>you really don't want to compress hd resolutions in real time in software.
02:19<jarodwilson>oooh... I just found a mention of a thin client for the 5100...
02:20<jarodwilson>No, I'd just capture the raw HD stream
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02:20<jarodwilson>er, that's what I'd want to do, anyhow.
02:20<Chutt>i highly doubt that the cable box outputs raw mpeg2.
02:20<jarodwilson>d'oh. I'm sure you're right on that.
02:20<jarodwilson>(removing head from ass)
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02:21<jarodwilson>It DOES have a DVI-D output though...
02:22<jarodwilson>Okay, no, there's no way to get raw from it.
02:22<jarodwilson>When will that pcHDTV card show up...
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02:23<jarodwilson>But that supposedly only works with terrestrial broadcast HD, unless Comcast uses the same freq tables...
02:23<Chutt>they don't even use the same encoding method.
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02:25<jarodwilson>"The functionality of each data device port requires, adn depends on, installed application software"
02:26<jarodwilson>brandon thought that perhaps if I could use a TV w/o a cable box and still get TV that I might be able to receive Comcast's HD w/the pcHDTV...
02:26<jarodwilson>(and I can use a TV w/o a cable box)...
02:27<Chutt>you can get the hd channels without their cable box?
02:27<jarodwilson>I'm guessing my pcHDTV card will probably be useless.
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02:27<jarodwilson>No (or at least I don't think so). Brandon was talking about ntsc stuff, I believe. I have one tv straight into the wall that works w/o a box.
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02:28<jarodwilson>But of course, it doesn't get the digital guide stuff that my other other TV gets.
02:29<jarodwilson>I'll definitely give it a shot to see if I can get Comcast HD channels with the pcHDTV once it gets here...
02:29<jarodwilson>But chances are I probably have a $190 piece of worthless hardware. :)
02:30<jarodwilson>(can't get much of any broadcast signal where I live)
02:33<tmk>does anything realyl broadcast in hdtv anyhow?
02:33<jarodwilson>A few channels. And might I say WOW. They look unbelievable.
02:34<jarodwilson>I now get ABC, Fox Sports Net, ESPN, PBS, HBO and Showtime in HD
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02:35<jarodwilson>Of course, some of the shows are originally shot for NTSC, so they don't look a huge amount better
02:35<jarodwilson>but the ones in true HD are unbelieveable
02:35<jarodwilson>Having both optical and coax s/pdif outs is nice too
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02:37<jarodwilson>tmk, that link you sent DOES have info on controlling the 5100 w/an IR Blaster...
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02:39<tmk>what is an ir blaster anyways
02:39<tmk>ther eare like 10 different products that claim they are the ir blaster
02:40<jarodwilson>Not sure! To date, I've just been going straight from the wall into my PVR. :)
02:40<jarodwilson>Never really had a reason to otherwise
02:47<jarodwilson>OTA HD uses 8VSB, Cable HD uses QAM... Incompatible with one another, so probably 99.999% chance I have a useless pcHDTV card showing up.
02:47<jarodwilson>(different modulation standards)
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02:57<jarodwilson>Okay, I got into the 5100's diagnostic mode...
02:58<jarodwilson>Software for the Ethernet port: not installed
02:58<Chutt>didn't i just ask Ian Forde the other day not to post things to the mailing list twice?
02:58<jarodwilson>I believe I do recall that.
02:59<jarodwilson>So he can pass the RHCE exam, but not listen to simple instructions?
02:59<bline>I only got one
02:59<Chutt>he sent one to and one to
03:00<Chutt>i wonder if i should commit this stuff to cvs
03:00<Chutt>can't wait for the bitching, then
03:01<jarodwilson>I promise not to bitch.
03:01<Chutt>i broke everything =)
03:01<jarodwilson>(actually, I can't recall if I've ever bitched... At least not to you... :)
03:01<Chutt>well, it mostly works now
03:01<bline>the pvr stuff?
03:01<Chutt>no, live tv, playback of recordings
03:01<jarodwilson>minor detail.
03:02<bline>break everything!
03:02<tmk>i wonder how hard the RHCE exam is
03:03<Chutt>bline, and, just fyi, the majority of the channel change time is waiting for it to prebuffer back up =)
03:03<Chutt>well, at least half of it
03:03<tmk>i've submitted patches in lieu of complaining
03:03<tmk>but i've also complained i think
03:03<jarodwilson>The RHCE exam is no joke.
03:03<bline>yeah, I figured that.
03:03<Chutt>it used to be 50/50, half buffering up, half doing various backend stuff
03:03<tmk>hmm, can't get around the buffering can we
03:04<Chutt>now it's more 75/25 buffering/backend stuff
03:04<tmk>realtime is realtime :/
03:04<Chutt>sure, i can stop buffering
03:04<Chutt>it just plays back all jerkily =)
03:04<tmk>hehe yeah
03:04<bline>a friend mentioned tivo does it quickly ;)
03:04<tmk>can we cut it a ltitle closer though?
03:04<Chutt>tivo's doing it in hardware
03:04<Chutt>tmk, the -350 should be faster to change
03:05<Chutt>well, maybe
03:05<tmk>yeah it seems pretty good
03:05<Chutt>depending on its internal buffers
03:05<tmk>you can set those as low as you want :)
03:05<Chutt>xvmc and the cle266 decoder should be faster, since they only buffer a few frames
03:05<tmk>down to like 96k
03:05<Chutt>since they only _have_ a few frames
03:05<tmk>96k is < 1 frame
03:05<Chutt>tmk, yeah, but it still does 6 decoded frames on top of that
03:05* bline decides to buy a pvr350 for christmas
03:05<tmk>i can turn that off :)
03:05<tmk>9 frames actually
03:05<Chutt>naw, you want some buffering
03:06<Chutt>you have a choice of 6 or 9 frames, no?
03:06<tmk>yeah, it's set to 9
03:06<tmk>i tried that awhiel back
03:06<tmk>i may try commenting that out
03:06<tmk>see if things change at all
03:06<Chutt>it does say you only need 9 if you want to do reverse playback
03:06<tmk>which i don't really want to do
03:06<Chutt>and i don't see the point of that, really
03:07<tmk>it's a neat trick i suppose
03:07<tmk>have you tried the ff/slow ioctls yet?
03:07<tmk>i hear they work
03:07<tmk>but have never tesetd it
03:07<Chutt>the software decoding in myth does that now
03:07<Chutt>works _fairly_ well
03:07<tmk>so if i ff in 350 mode
03:07<tmk>how does it work?
03:07<tmk>skips some B frames?
03:08<Chutt>it probably doesn't =)
03:08<Chutt>the software stuff works by massaging the video output data
03:08<Chutt>so, i'll have to add some extra calls to that to drill down to the pvr-350 stuff
03:08<tmk>make it so! :)
03:08<Chutt>same with the edit mode
03:08<Chutt>need to have a single frame advance =)
03:08<tmk>you want the pause + single frame
03:09<Chutt>it'd be really cool if there was a small wrapper in the driver that did 'decode X frames then pause'
03:09<tmk>does commercial detection work on the pvr files
03:09<tmk>you can kind of
03:09<tmk>you can say stop at X PTS
03:09<Chutt>right, but
03:09<tmk>and leave the last frame up
03:09<Chutt>i'm not storing the pts's at all
03:09<Chutt>so i'd have to guess
03:10<tmk>you can calculate it
03:10<Chutt>i can also use the single frame advance stuff =)
03:10<tmk>if it's possible to do decoding to memory
03:10<Chutt>but, i only ever really need to decode one frame at a time
03:11<tmk>i think it will hinge on the single frame advance
03:11<tmk>there's an IFRAME done interrupt
03:11<tmk>but if only it'd fire :)
03:11<Chutt>i wouldn't really worry about the 250-1
03:11<tmk>i'm not
03:11<tmk>but so many ask about it
03:11<tmk>and it was one of my goals at the start
03:11<tmk>before i had a 350 :)
03:12<Chutt>yeah, but hauppage was nice
03:12<tmk>yeah.. thanks claude!
03:13<tmk>i wish they'd let me bug their engineers
03:13<tmk>they said they might at some point
03:13<tmk>what they *really* wanted
03:13<Chutt>that'd be cool
03:13<bline>how do you pronounce hauppage? hawp-page?
03:13<Chutt>so what'd they want? :p
03:13<tmk>what they *really* wanted was for me to wrap their dll's in some magic code that would make it work on linux
03:13<tmk>'since linux can load dll's now'
03:14<tmk>it might be possible
03:14<tmk>but i don't care
03:14<Chutt>but for a kernel driver?
03:14<tmk>yeah wine-like
03:14<tmk>yeah makes little sense
03:14<tmk>they'd have to abstract the DMA/Hardware calls
03:14<jarodwilson>spelled hauppauge, actually... :)
03:14<Chutt>yea yea
03:14<tmk>or i'd have to trap them
03:14<Chutt>i can't spell past 3 am
03:15<jarodwilson>icky dlls...
03:15<thor_>never ceases to amaze me that a company that is famous for good hardware and crappy software wants to "protect" their software
03:15<tmk>they're protecting their NDA with conexant
03:15<tmk>who evidently has a deal with NEC
03:15<bline>tell thim to just give you the source
03:15<tmk>says they won't release specs to OSS
03:15<tmk>for their firmware or smth
03:15<tmk>since NEC has a pvr that uses the conexant chip
03:16<Chutt>too bad, so sad
03:16<Chutt>they seemed happy enough to send me a card
03:16<bline>bunch of fags
03:16<thor_>stupid, stupid, stupid
03:16<tmk>cards are one thing
03:16<tmk>but if you want the firmware code
03:16<tmk>forget it
03:16<Chutt>don't really need the firmware code
03:16<Chutt>do you? :p
03:16<tmk>i have like no docs
03:16<Chutt>it'd make some things easier
03:16<tmk>also we wanted to make it mpg4 :)
03:17<Chutt>ya, right
03:17<tmk>and we wanted to get NORMAL yuv from the card
03:17<Chutt>the poor thing's probably struggling as is with mpeg2
03:17<tmk>instead of conexant-macroblock-wierd nv12
03:18<tmk>it sends 16x16 blocks
03:18<tmk>instead of lines
03:18* tmk shakes head
03:18<Chutt>right, they're just dumping stuff out of the encoder pipeline early
03:18<tmk>plasmajohn thinks its from the mpg preprocessor
03:19<tmk>i need to go home
03:19<tmk>and possibly sleep
03:19<Chutt>ah well
03:19<tmk>i may watch soem mythtv :)
03:19<Chutt>i'll commit this tomorrow night or something
03:19<jarodwilson>Need to go home?!?
03:19<Chutt>you're using the X fb driver, right?
03:19<tmk>haven't tried it yet
03:19<Chutt>ah, ok
03:20<tmk>did my instructions make sense?
03:20<tmk>jarodwilson: yeah i'm at work
03:20<tmk>have to do maintenance on networks at nite :)
03:20<tmk>when fewer people use them
03:20<Chutt>i'll let you know when i get around to doing that
03:20<jarodwilson>Ah, I recall those days... :)
03:21<tmk>that's fine.. did you write them down?
03:21<tmk>or willyou ask me later when you're ready to try? :P
03:21<Chutt>they're in the buffer here
03:21<Chutt>i dunno
03:21<Chutt>seems fairly simple
03:22<tmk>may the windows reboot gremlins stay away :)
03:22<tmk>yeah it shuold be
03:22<tmk>i'm not sure if it gives you the correct pointer tho
03:22<tmk>it may not be user-writable
03:22<bline>hmm, a ramdisk
03:22<tmk>X uses it, but X knows about hardware
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03:23<Chutt>bline, a ramdisk would work, except i like a bigass pause buffer =)
03:25<bline>I wonder how big the ramdisk would have to be
03:25<bline>1gig maybe
03:25<Chutt>i don't allow the size setting to be any less than a gig
03:25<jarodwilson>Could you fudge it to use RAM for the first part of the buffer, then disk for the rest?
03:25<bline>I should get more ram and try it :)
03:26<thor_>Chutt, probably not the right time to ask (what with things broken at your end), but any thoughts on a 0.12 timeframe?
03:26<jarodwilson>Sort of like spanning swap across multiple partitions, one being memory...
03:26<bline>then I may use myth for live tv
03:26<Chutt>thor, ivtv decoder working
03:26<Chutt>and the profile stuff that geoffrey hausheer's working on
03:26<thor_>want to try and get burning ready
03:27<Chutt>beyond that, i dunno
03:27<Chutt>bline, the buffer's not really slowing things down
03:27<Chutt>it's not writing _that_ much data to disk
03:27<bline>Chutt: would it be possible to build up the buffer in a thread and then switch to it when it is full enough disabling any ff/rew/etc. while it builds?
03:28<Chutt>that's essentially what it does
03:28<Chutt>the previous channel history stuff?
03:28<Chutt>it was adding .1 seconds to the channel change time, on average
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03:29<bline>I should track down where the ~2 sec delay is coming in
03:29<bline>but I'm lazy
03:29<Chutt>well, try cvs once i commit this crap
03:29<Chutt>should be faster
03:30<Chutt>probably tomorrow sometime
03:30<bline>I'm still using my "disable focus events" patch
03:31<bline>err un-focus
03:31<Chutt>no ill effects?
03:32<Chutt>sounds good
03:32<bline>I use one screen for irc/mail and the other for myth
03:32<bline>with the remote controling myth
03:32<bline>with the lirc stuff :)
03:32<Chutt>but how well does it work with a keyboard?
03:33<bline>no problems with it, I use the keyboard when I have to do conf editing and stuff with mythvideo
03:33<bline>X sends the events to myth when my mouse is over it
03:34* bline uses slopy focus
03:34<bline>not sure if it will cause problems for click to focus people
03:35<bline>anyway, it is X that decides which window to send the event to, disabling un-focus event in Qt should not affect events from X
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03:55<thor_>that would be Florida, not Russia
03:57<jarodwilson>"But if you do nothing but look at the screen shots, you'll surely get an appreciation for what bored, brilliant hackers can come up with."
03:57<jarodwilson>Nice. :)
03:58<bline>Serious nerds
03:59<thor_>pathetic geeks ?
03:59<bline>sorry "serious, hard-core nerds"""
04:00<jarodwilson>Probably guilty as charged. But my kid can still beat up their kids.
04:00<jarodwilson>(well, he's not even a year old, but...)
04:01<thor_>jarodwilson, tried Baby Einstein yet?
04:03<bline>we are geeks, not nerds. get your terminology right!
04:04<thor_>semantics ... a long and complicated word that has something to do with ontologies ...
04:05<jarodwilson>Haven't tried Baby Einstein yet.
04:05<jarodwilson>Probably will soon though. :)
04:05<jarodwilson>I'm just hoping he's left-handed, and built like Dad.
04:05<jarodwilson>Well, and smart...
04:06<thor_>jarodwilson, forget all the marketing crap about "early learning", they are just great ways to occupy the little one when Mom and Dad need 20 minutes of peace.
04:06<jarodwilson>I'm 6'3", 220lbs, and used to throw a baseball 92mph in college. Then I got hurt, and I was right-handed. I'm hoping the kid'll throw just as hard (if not harder), but from the left. :)
04:07<jarodwilson>Well, that 20 minutes is worth it sometimes... :)
04:07<jarodwilson>Actually, he's a really good kid, and entertains himself most of the time anyhow.
04:07<thor_>.... money well spent ...
04:08<jarodwilson>Does the average myth person have kids? Are they married? What's the median age?
04:08<jarodwilson>Okay, I should probably go to bed now...
04:08<jarodwilson>(1 kid, married, 25 years old)
04:09<thor_>seem to be a fair number of (anecdotal) references to spouses on the mailing lists ... beyond that, no idea
04:09<jarodwilson>Now I wanna move to Bloomington, IN...
04:09<jarodwilson>Yeah, I've seen plenty of "she let me buy this", etc....
04:10<jarodwilson>Yep. The latest RH UTB says the city just decided to switch any and all computer systems over to Red Hat.
04:10<thor_>ah ...
04:10<bline>I'd like to move to Tx
04:11<jarodwilson>well that didn't come out right...
04:12<jarodwilson>Why Texas?
04:12<thor_>bline, I've been to Austin a few times and enjoyed it, but I spent a few weeks in Dallas once and it was pretty awful ...
04:12<bline>I lived there for sometime when I left the army
04:12<jarodwilson>I'm generally happy with Seattle, outside of the crappy IT market...
04:12<bline>And it is close to home. Louisianan.
04:12<jarodwilson>NEVER move to Memphis. That's all I can say. Two of the crappiest years of my life. HATED it.
04:12<thor_>ah ... new orleans ?
04:13<bline>Yeah, I'd be moving to Austin is I went back.
04:13<jarodwilson>Memphis is SOOO different from the west coast
04:13<bline>Near Lake Charles.
04:13<jarodwilson>Born and raised in Seattle, with stops in DC, Portland, SoCal, NorCal, Memphis, and back to Seattle
04:13<bline>I loved Austin. Lived there for a year.
04:14<thor_>it's a cool town
04:14<jarodwilson>I've only passed through a few times. Ever go to Austin City Limits?
04:14<bline>Dell is there and IBM has a few large outlets there.
04:14<bline>6th Street is so fun :)
04:14<jarodwilson>I've contemplated moving back to the Bay...
04:15<thor_>jarodwilson, that moving around with the military?
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04:15<jarodwilson>We started in Seattle, then my dad got a job w/a WA state senator, which necessitated the move to Washington, DC.
04:15<bline>I should send my resume to a few austin companies.
04:16<thor_>sfr, guten morgen
04:16<jarodwilson>When that was over, he got a job offer in Portland, OR, where we stayed for two years, then back to Seattle.
04:16<thor_>jarodwilson, I'm in DC now
04:16<sfr>thor_: Hi, it's not such a good morning for me. Just returned from the dentist.
04:16<jarodwilson>I headed down to Cali for college, to play juco baseball
04:16<jarodwilson>Wow. Gettin' a bit late in DC...
04:16<thor_>sfr, ah ....
04:17<jarodwilson>no fun... (the dentist)
04:17<sfr>never is
04:17<thor_>jarodwilson, just got back from the middle east a few days ago, so I'm off by several hours
04:17<jarodwilson>Played 1 year at one juco, hated the coach (who got canned), then transferred elsewhere
04:18<jarodwilson>did well at my 2nd Cali juco, got a full athletic scholarship for my last 2 years of eligibility at the U. of Memphis
04:18<jarodwilson>Moved back to Seattle after I was done at Memphis, REALLY wishing I'd just played for the UW or a Cali school...
04:19<sfr>thor_: is it 4am in your area? Crazy people those linux junkies.
04:19<jarodwilson>Despite all my travels (saw lots of east coast and south while playing ball @ Memphis), I've only been outside the US to Canada, which really doesn't count as a foreign country in my book.
04:19<thor_>sfr, can't sleep
04:19<jarodwilson>Because the border is less than 3hr away. :)
04:19<jarodwilson>So there's my life story.
04:19<thor_>jarodwilson, hey ... Seattle is "almost Canada"
04:20<jarodwilson>(abridged version)
04:20<jarodwilson>Vancouver, BC is almost in Washington. :)
04:20<jarodwilson>We don't say goofy stuff like 'eh'
04:21<thor_>I'm Canadian, so .... Seattle is almost Canada, eh?
04:21<jarodwilson>Strange Brew... I gotta dig that back out...
04:21<jarodwilson>Heh. :)
04:21<jarodwilson>With the name Thor? I probably figured you were Swedish or Norweigan or something...
04:21<sfr>thor_: you are working today?
04:22<thor_>jarodwilson, Icelandic (originally)
04:22<thor_>sfr, yes ...
04:22<jarodwilson>Aha. I'm like some mess of Swedish, German and English, if you go back a bit...
04:23<jarodwilson>So are you Canadian-born or Icelandic-born?
04:23<jarodwilson>Okay, I'm just a mutt American.
04:23<thor_>jarodwilson, Canadian born
04:24<thor_>sfr, but only from the home office for the next 24 hours (thankfully)
04:24<sfr>thor_: that link you posted: they brought to the point. But what do mean: "incomplete software-based"?
04:25<sfr>thor_: that's ok.
04:25<jarodwilson>They're probably just jealous, and couldn't get mythtv working themselves.
04:26<thor_>not consumer-level simplicity
04:26<thor_>buy at store, take home, plug in
04:26<jarodwilson>No, ma and pa probably couldn't manage...
04:26<sfr>as far as the setup goes, i agree. But not feature-wise.
04:27<thor_>which is actually a great testament to how well the tivo developers did their job ... they started from the same base (Linux kernel & bash prompt) and wrote some bullet proof code.
04:27<jarodwilson>Very true.
04:28<sfr>Is the tivo very popular in the US?
04:28<thor_>~ about 700,000 units sold
04:31<jarodwilson>I wanna play some more with the Motorola DCT5100 I just got...
04:32<jarodwilson>Supposedly, you can put a hard drive in it, among many other things you can do with it...
04:35<sfr>anyone here has a pvr350 and a dvb card in use?
04:35<thor_>jarodwilson, there's an outside chance you might be able to actually run Myth on that box ...
04:35<jarodwilson>Hm... What happens with other cards if you use a PVR-350's output...
04:36<jarodwilson>thor_, oh yeah?
04:36<sfr>it would be interesting to see wether the pvr decoder can handle the mpeg2 stream from the dvb card.
04:36<jarodwilson>sfr, that's what I was just thinking (or more acurately, one 350 and one 250)
04:37<jarodwilson>thor_, there's also a SODIMM slot I can see inside...
04:37<sfr>jarodwilson: you mean to decode a pvr250 mpeg2 stream?
04:37<thor_>Motorola cpu ... probably a standard bus ....
04:37<jarodwilson>and ethernet, built-in calbe modem, usb, component video out, DVI out, coax and optical digital audio out
04:37<sfr>i'd _assume_ they are compatible.
04:38<jarodwilson>Interesting idea.
04:38<jarodwilson>sfr, yes, I'm thinking output to TV w/the 350
04:38<thor_>sfr, tmk understands the Hauppauge cards (deeply), but I suspect it would be a difficult problem
04:38<jarodwilson>Oh, yeah, that should certainly work
04:39<jarodwilson>The 350 shouldn't know if it or the 250 actually encoded the file
04:39<thor_>"mpeg2" is a standard for standards, not a file format
04:39<jarodwilson>It'd likely be another story with another card...
04:40<thor_>similarily, DV(B) is a collection of things
04:40<jarodwilson>Not that I have a 350, or plan to get one anytime soon...
04:40<jarodwilson>And like I've painfully discovered, HDTV ? HDTV
04:40<sfr>thor_: i didn't know that. i
04:40<sfr>i'm still in analog tv land. :)
04:41<jarodwilson>Standards vary in how it is transmitted over cable and terrestrial broadcast
04:41<jarodwilson>Just got my HDTV cable box yesterday. :)
04:41<thor_>sfr, I don't really understand a lot of this stuff .... my Myth contributions are all on GUI/XML parsing/other modules
04:41<jarodwilson>I've got a pcHDTV card on the way, which it appears will be useless for me, since I get squat for a broadcast signal where I live.
04:42<jarodwilson>Heh. That's more useful than my contributions. :)
04:42<thor_>video formats/codecs/etc. are still a complete mystery to me
04:43<sfr>well, most of myth is a mystery to me.
04:43<thor_>libmyth is quite simple
04:43<thor_>GUI stuff is simple
04:43<thor_>most of the other modules are actually not a lot of code
04:45<thor_>the tree browser for MythVideo is well under 1000 lines of code
04:45<sfr>i only looked at mythmusic (parts of it) more closely so far.
04:45<thor_>ah, you're trying to writing streaming decoders ....
04:46<thor_>radio/internet radio
04:47<sfr>thor_: not really. yesterday i figured everything (almost) is already in place. only need to understand and modify it a little. But that little is enough for me. :)
04:47<sfr>thor_: so i'm rather 'enabling' it only.
04:47<thor_>yeah, most of it is there already ....
04:48<thor_>but mythmusic is far and away the most complicated of the "other" modules
04:48<jarodwilson>And far and away the one I least use, because it is miserable for handling my 10k+ library of songs...
04:49<jarodwilson>I know, if you don't like it, write some code to make it better. :)
04:49<thor_>joardowilson, bad for playing, or bad for scanning in ?
04:49<sfr>jarodwilson: b/c it keeps the playlist in memory?
04:49<jarodwilson>Too much of a pain to sort through stuff and build playlists, mostly
04:50<jarodwilson>But then I don't think I've even tried it since 0.9...
04:50<jarodwilson>I'm used to iTunes. :)
04:50<sfr>jarodwilson: i don't think much has changed since 0.9
04:50<jarodwilson>Playback was fine though
04:50<thor_>people keep saying that .... but iTunes is insanely mouse based
04:51<jarodwilson>I didn't think so, judging by the screen shots and readmes
04:51<jarodwilson>Yeah, I know.
04:51<jarodwilson>I've got a Gyration wireless keyboard and mouse...
04:51<thor_>you can't do those kinds of clever things on something that's supposed to be keyed off a remote control
04:51<jarodwilson>I've been meaning to install rhythmbox, and just make a button that launches taht
04:52<jarodwilson>and use my mouse and keyboard, because yes, a remote only wouldn't work great for iTunes
04:53<sfr>jarodwilson: how do you backup this amount of data?
04:53<thor_>anyway ... I wrote all the playlist stuff for mythmusic and I'd be extatic if someone could clearly explain both the functionality they want and a way to implement it in an interface that really only understands up/down/left/right/ok/esc
04:54<jarodwilson>RAID-5 array
04:54<jarodwilson>I have most of it on CD/DVD also
04:55<thor_>and it's only going to get worse .... cause I need the same interface "push points" to handle burning ... which is soon to be commited
04:56<jarodwilson>thor_, heh, didn't realize you were mythmusic. :)
04:56<sfr>thor_: couldn't it be be similar to a mobile mp3 player interface? they usually don't have that many buttons. But i don't have one myself.
04:56<jarodwilson>thor, ever used or seen an iPod?
04:56<thor_>sfr, I don't have an mp3 player .... or a Tivo
04:56<thor_>jarodwilson, nope
04:56<thor_>not in real life
04:56<jarodwilson>Something like that could work. :)
04:57<thor_>how does it work?
04:57<jarodwilson>Though with those, you usually build your custom playlists under iTunes, then send them to the iPod
04:57<thor_>same deal
04:57<jarodwilson>I don't actually have one, but my brother and father do...
04:57<thor_>iTunes .... mouse does wonders
04:58<thor_>MythTV ... there is no mouse
04:58<jarodwilson>But you start out with a choice of sort by artist, genre, playlist, etc
04:58<jarodwilson>then filter through selections
04:58<jarodwilson>Yes, indeed. Well, I have a mouse...
04:58<thor_>how do you make those selections >
04:59<jarodwilson>There's a scroll wheel that lets you move up and down the listing, then a selection button in the middle that goes to the next column
04:59<jarodwilson>(it operates a bit like OS X's column view, if you've ever seen or used that)
04:59<thor_>UP, DOWN, RIGHT ....
04:59<jarodwilson>Yes, pretty much
05:00<thor_>is this really that different from mythmusic with showWholeTree turned on?
05:00<jarodwilson>I believe all the buttons are forward, stop, play, back, select, and the scroll wheel
05:01<jarodwilson>Honestly, it's been so long since I've really played with mythmusic, I couldn't say.
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05:01<jarodwilson>I don't even recall that option at the moment... :)
05:01<KikoV>ummm... how does work the new compilation system?
05:02<KikoV>hi anyway ;)
05:02<thor_>KikoV, qmake ; make
05:02<thor_>jarodwilson, try a recent CVS and then send me some comments ... they'd be very useful
05:02<sfr>maybe a separation of _using_ mythmusic and _organising_ one's music files makes sense?
05:02<KikoV>thor_: ok.. perfect... the Makefiles have been deleted...
05:03<thor_>sfr, Select Music vs. Play Music ?
05:03<sfr>yes, but also the playlist generation, maybe.
05:03<jarodwilson>KikoV, just run qmake
05:03<thor_>KikoV, dealing with newer Debian stupidity
05:03<KikoV>yes... I'm testing it...
05:03<jarodwilson>it'll create them
05:04<KikoV>thor_: welll... I think that's the correct way...
05:04<jarodwilson>why is it so many projects seem to have to deal with Debian stupidity...
05:04<KikoV>thor_: simplely I was used to ./configure && make, not qmake && make :]
05:04<thor_>KikoV, recent Debian decided to hardwire an environmental variable ...
05:04<jarodwilson>Debian is like the only major distro horribly wonked out with respect to mondorescue, too...
05:04<KikoV>I don't think it is a stupidity, gentoo could use this way, and redhat too...
05:05<KikoV>thor_: QTDIR?
05:05<KikoV>anyway, QTDIR must BE DEFINED... qmake && make without QTDIR is broken yet xDD
05:05<KikoV>( CVS : 2 minutes ago )
05:05<jarodwilson>thor_, I like the idea of separate 'play music' and 'create playlist'
05:06<thor_>yes ... but the user may want to define it ... it is, after all, the user's computer
05:06<thor_>jarodwilson, that separation is already there .... just wondering if it needs refinement
05:07<jarodwilson>thor, I've been meaning to roll some cvs rpms for myself, and I've got some spare time tomorrow, so I'll put it on my list to spend some time w/mythmusic
05:07<KikoV>I was thinking about making a mpeg4 player inside mythtv... it could be funny...
05:07<jarodwilson>and on that note, I think I'm going to head off to catch some z's.
05:07<thor_>KikoV, mythDVD could desperately use a native mpeg player ....
05:07<KikoV>I have seen some examples of JAVA shit reading XML ( don't remember the schema )
05:08<thor_>jarodwilson, night
05:08<KikoV>showing several input streams, composing scenes, links, and so... it could be very interesting... interactivity...
05:08<jarodwilson>I'll try to throw you some feedback tomorrow night, or at least by the end of this weekend, thor
05:08<thor_>KikoV, ok ... you lost me .... what are you talking about ?
05:08<jarodwilson>later all
05:08<KikoV>mpeg4 not mpeg2
05:08<sfr>thor_: ah, one thing i'd like to mention: imho the mini-visualizer could be removed. The full-screen options is sufficient for me.
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05:09<thor_>sfr, yes .... should be user option .... and/or replaceable by cover art .... I hear you, but it's not a high priority
05:10<thor_>KikoV, mpeg2 or mpeg4, what are you talking about?
05:10<KikoV>xmt-a, xmt-o, smil...
05:10<KikoV>let's find url... :P wait a second
05:11<thor_>I have no idea what any of those acronyms mean ....
05:11<KikoV>thor_: do you know french?
05:11<thor_>bien oui
05:12<thor_>mais plutot Quebecois ...
05:12<KikoV>it's a way to compose mpeg4...
05:12<KikoV>I don't know french :P
05:13<KikoV>more things...
05:13<thor_>this is talking about reverse engineering gaming formats
05:14<thor_>or , at least, 3D formats
05:14<thor_>what do you think all those VRML references are about?
05:15<KikoV>or... shit unsopported by me ;)
05:17<KikoV>this is the complete guide ;)
05:17<thor_>this is actually hilarious:
05:18<bline>I seriously doubt the FS has much to do with a 2 second delay
05:18<thor_>KikoV, you're being burried by high level "tools" and "descriptions"
05:19* bline points to the dev mailing list
05:20<thor_>yeah ... I just switched to Reiser and it shaved 10 milliseconds off my 3 second channel change
05:20<KikoV>well... low level tools could be reused
05:20<thor_>KikoV, mpeg4 is a way to package audio and video content ... myth could use a native player ...
05:21<bline>3 seconds with an ir blaster or something?
05:21* sfr agrees with KikoV: FS?
05:21<bline>I get 2 seconds...
05:21<KikoV>FS= Full Screen?
05:21<bline>I just timed it
05:21<thor_>FS = file system
05:22<KikoV>:P, yeah, I have read it on the list :P
05:22<KikoV>"I havn't bother tracking> > What FS do you use? reiserfs"
05:22<sfr>Aha, written in small letters fs is _much_ more intuitive.
05:22<thor_>(at least I think that's what bline was referring to)
05:22<sfr>i'm quite happy with XFS
05:22<bline>FS is common
05:23<KikoV>hehe... well... fs has nothing to do with 2 seconds delay
05:23<bline>for File System.
05:23<KikoV>I'm with bline
05:23<bline>Well, someone is saying it does on the mailing list.
05:24<sfr>well, ok. next time i'll call FSck ;)
05:24<KikoV>10ms? errr... excuseme... 10ms could be the error :P
05:24<KikoV>in the measure
05:24<thor_>seriously, this is really, really funny,
05:24<KikoV>thor_: I have read it.. what happen?
05:25<sfr>thor_: music companies to distribute videos over internet? never.
05:25<thor_>music companies want to control ....
05:26<thor_>with permissions
05:26<bline>thor: you get 3 second deley?
05:26<thor_>(KikoV ... I'm not picking on you ... thanks for the URL)
05:26<thor_>bline, on channel change?
05:27<thor_>around a second
05:27<bline>I always get 2 or more seconds
05:27<KikoV>thor_: anyway... the idea is very good... mixing contents from different sources, composed with xml or in an mpeg4 file into a unique image...
05:27<thor_>Chutt's vastly improved it in the last 6 hours or so, but hasn't committed because it (apparently) broke a lot of other things
05:28<bline>yeah, he mentioned it
05:28<thor_>KikoV, the idea is superb
05:28<KikoV>the mythdvd player reproduce mpeg4?
05:28<sfr>thor_: how did he improve it?
05:29<thor_>KikoV, but actual functional code is a long way away from what that web site talks about =)
05:29<thor_>sfr, changed a lot of Mutex's to WaitConditions (I think)
05:30<thor_>KikoV, in "perfect", mythDVD just copies .vob files off the DVD
05:39<thor_>hee hee, do these guys think any of these are defensible against the Microsoft DRM legal juggernaut:
05:39<KikoV>thor_: I have seeing this...
05:39<KikoV>I was seeing ( excuseme.. )
05:40<thor_>KikoV, no worries, I used to work with a guy that was (is?) the CEO of contentguard
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08:09<dimmm>Does anyone know if mythtv plays with directfb for Matrox G$))
08:10<dimmm>-->Matrox 400
08:18<sfr>no, afaik. as it's compiled with qt, which depends on the X window system.
08:19<dimmm>:( thanks
08:25<sfr>it was stated that it might be possible to make myth compile against qt-embedded which, so i've heared, supports directfb. So if you are talented programer.
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11:21<Chutt>blah blah blah
11:22<sfr>show me yours and i show you my fs?
11:24<Chutt>how silly
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11:25<sfr>but this ringbuffer change/setup takes a 'lot' of time?
11:25<Chutt>it took like 20 seconds for me to make it not truncate the file on channel change
11:26<Chutt>bunch of lazy people on the lists
11:26<mecraw_>i resemble that remark
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11:29<sfr>Chutt: any plans about the next release? i'd like to update the translations before.
11:30<Chutt>get the pvr-350 decoder working fully
11:30<Chutt>get the profile groups stuff geoffrey hausheer's working on in
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11:30<Chutt>and if thor's not going to be too much longer on the burning stuff, that too
11:31<sfr>so >2 weeks to the next release, i guess.
11:32<Chutt>eh, maybe
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11:46<Chutt>captain_murdoch, is the mutex lock in the autoexpire code actually doing anything?
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12:17<linagee>weird. my tuner was all weird like, with vertical lines of color through the picture. i rebooted, and it's no longer like that
12:22<vektor>Were they like purple?
12:22<vektor>It have have been macrovision.
12:39<linagee>vektor: they were fuzzy like. i thought the cable was loose or something. (it wasn't)
12:40<Chutt>can i put 'Don't use if you're a whiney bitch' in a cvs commit message?
12:41<Chutt>or would that offend half the people on my lists
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12:45<poptix>wow, that sucked
12:45<poptix>TV died when the roommate nuked his lunch
12:45* poptix tosses out the microwave
12:45<vektor>Damn, I read that as 'roommate died when the TV nuked his lunch'
12:45<poptix>vektor: i'm running mythtv on my laptop over 802.11g
12:45<poptix>w/ the pvr-250
12:46<poptix>takes between 8 and 12mbit constant throughput
12:46<poptix>microwave knocked it down to 1mbit
12:46<vektor>Wow, interesting.
12:46<poptix>although, the microwave is directly between me and the AP
12:47<poptix>maybe i should put an 8dB omni on the AP instead of the 3db ducky antennas it came with
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12:48<linagee>poptix: run a long ethernet cord. :)
12:48<Chutt>cvs is so braindead sometimes
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13:01<poptix>linagee: no way
13:09<lmatter>linagee, I got those lines once after tweaking contrast. It's been mentioned on the ivtv list. rebooting helped.
13:10<Chutt>lmatter, so, you looking into the hardware decoder on the cle266 at all?
13:11<Chutt>it works fairly well in mythtv, now
13:11<Chutt>well, aside from edit mode
13:11<Chutt>figured you'd want it in your distro =)
13:12<lmatter>Guess I
13:12<lmatter>Guess I'll have to use VeXP for MythDVD.
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13:16<o_cee>damn strange network, keeps kicking me off if i go idle.. very odd
13:16<o_cee>"Small optimizations abound." <- whatoptimization of what
13:17<o_cee>what's been optimized+
13:18<Chutt>read the source.
13:19<o_cee>i will look at it right away.
13:19<linagee>Chutt: never heard that one before. RTFS
13:20<o_cee>since it said: "needs testing" i thought it'd be good to know what to test
13:20<Chutt>everything, really.
13:20<Chutt>well, everything tv related.
13:20<o_cee>okay.. like channelswitching?
13:22<Chutt>no, everythinh
13:22<o_cee>hehe, okay :)
13:22<o_cee>did you see the suggestion about putting the ringbuffer on a ramdisk? haven't got that much ram at the moement, so it'd be hard for me to test.. but wouldn't that make a huge difference?
13:23<Chutt>not really.
13:23<Chutt>disk accesses don't take that long.
13:23<Chutt>and certainly aren't a bottleneck
13:23<o_cee>10ms against 10ns is pretty much difference in my eyes..
13:24<o_cee>"Game over, man" <-- lol
13:29<o_cee>btw.. what is the cause of "rebuffering" messages? the backend not delivering data fast enough i guess.. but what can be causing that on backend/frontend system? and it shouldn't be hardware caused either i think.. really strange..
13:35<o_cee>oh yeah Chutt.. i left myth running today, and when i got back and the 5gb ringbuffer was filled, i got messages like these:
13:35<o_cee>ERROR: file I/O problem in 'safe_read()'
13:35<o_cee>: Invalid argument
13:35<o_cee>ERROR: file I/O problem in 'safe_read()'
13:35<o_cee>: Bad address
13:35<o_cee>alot of them.. and the picture was frozen..
13:36<o_cee>thought i'd try it again later to see if the same thing happens..
13:51<o_cee>how's the pvr350 output coming along? thinking about getting one of those since it seems like it will be a really nice tvout
13:54<o_cee> <-- nice article about hdparm and speeding up harddrives
13:59<linagee>i just got "Not Enough Free Buffers" sporatically. i do have free HD space.... hrm
13:59<linagee>(from the ivtv module)
13:59<linagee>ivtv mpg_buffers=50
14:00<o_cee>i've set it to 100 now
14:00<o_cee>haven't seen those messages anymore, but i still get audio glitches
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14:22<hadees>anyone have any troulbe with mythtv on gentoo? its really wierd i did the ebuild and everything worked no errors during the intstall but when i try to view live tv it freezes and nothing happens
14:22<hadees>is it possible its an issue with the windows manager? i am using blackbox, oh and a pvr250
14:22<Chutt>run mythfrontend first
14:23<Chutt>and look for any errors on the console you ran mythbackend and mythfrontend from.
14:23<hadees>well the problem is when it freezes i can't get back to the console
14:24<Chutt>so run it from a console you can get back to.
14:28<o_cee>make sure your audio is working, and you've got oss working as well.
14:30<hadees>audio is working, i got alsa
14:30<o_cee>have you got oss-alsa as well?
14:30<hadees>don't need it do i?
14:30<hadees>if i have just alsa
14:30<Chutt>if you're not going to look at the error messages, you don't get any help.
14:31<o_cee>if you aren't using the native alsa stuff (not sure how the ebuild does it)
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14:31<hadees>Chutt: i am getting the error message now, i am new to blackbox, so i am figuring out how to switch windows
14:36<o_cee\tv>you need bbkeys for that
14:36<o_cee\tv>emerge bbkeys
14:36<o_cee\tv>then man bbkeys
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15:20<Chutt>two kernel compiles to get ivtv-fb working right
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15:21<hadees>is ivtv-fb the stuff for pvr350?
15:21<Chutt>yeah, the framebuffer driver
15:21<hadees>so it is working?
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15:32<Chutt>for some definitions of 'working'
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15:39<Drikus_>FYI did get ivtv-fb wotking without prob but only with tv-out,. Tried duo monitor,tv-out X setup but that didn't work for me. Example in ivtv-fb is a bit confusing imo.
15:40<hadees>well i finaly got the error, it seems it can't find my audio device, i guess i over looked it in the setup but when i went back i couldn't choose my sound card, i just had none
15:41<hadees>i got alsa as my driver, shouldn't it just see the device? i mean it works
15:41<Chutt>you have to use the alsa-oss modules
15:42<Chutt>like o_cee told you a looong time ago.
15:42<Chutt>drikus, i've got the -350 video out hooked into my wintv-radio
15:42<Chutt>so i'm watching mythtv play in xawtv
15:42<hadees>i thought he just said i had to do it if i didn't have native alsa support... okay thx
15:43<Chutt>i highly doubt you compiled in the native alsa support.
15:51<hadees>mabey not but in my USE variables i have alsa, i kind of assumed the ebuild would check for that
15:52<hadees>guess it doesn't
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16:05<Chutt>this ivtvfbctl doesn't seem to work properly
16:21<hadees>how well does native alsa support in mythtv work?
16:30<m0j0>hadees: i don't think all modules support it yet
16:31<m0j0>hadees: i tried native alsa a while back, but alsa and my nvidia sound card weren't happy together. alsa-oss sounds excellent though.
16:34<hadees>yeah but i can't get it to find my card...
16:35<hadees>everything seems loaded right just no audio device shows up in mythsetup
16:36<Chutt>try creating /dev/dsp
16:40<m0j0>run snddevices from alsa-driver to create the interfaces (if i'm remembering correctly)
16:41<Chutt>your distribution should do that for you, of course.
16:43<hadees>i figured it out finaly, its the same thing i had with the tuner, it keeps setting the stuff in dev to root
16:55<steelep>anyone know what causes this error:
16:55<steelep>QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used
16:55<steelep>from my backend
16:56<Chutt>qt being annoying
16:56<Chutt>it's a warning
16:56<steelep>so I can just ignore it then?
16:57<steelep>ok, ty
16:57<Chutt>i'll probably fix it eventually
16:57<Chutt>it's just a matter of moving a couple lines around
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18:51<tmk>a hoy hoy
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18:58<Chutt>tmk, hey
18:59<tmk>did those ioctls work?
18:59<Chutt>haven't really tried yet
18:59<Chutt>was trying to figure out ivtvfbctl
18:59<tmk>still cleaning up after yourself eh
18:59<tmk>he said it has bugs
18:59<Chutt>and what the various stuff does
19:00<Chutt>i had to recompile my kernel to get the ivtv-fb driver working :p
19:00<tmk>yeah i saw this coming last time and put fbdev in
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19:08<tmk>chutt, how much would it take to support nv12?
19:09<hadees>anyone here setup lirc with an irman on gentoo?
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19:21<Chutt>tmk, for what?
19:21<tmk>that's what the pvrx50's output
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19:21<Chutt>why would you want to use that, though?
19:21<Chutt>and not mpeg?
19:21<tmk>in case you want mpg4 directly
19:22<tmk>for space or w/e
19:22<Chutt>well, hmm
19:22<Elumin8>anyone in here use a Motorola DCT2224?
19:22<Chutt>shouldn't be too hard, but it _needs_ to be in yv12 for compression
19:22<Chutt>so, just a converter
19:22<tmk>i suppose it would be more efficient to just support their default, wacky stuff
19:22<tmk>oh hrm
19:22<tmk>yeah transcode is probably better :)
19:23<tmk>can you tell the difference between 480x480 and 720x480? it looked same to me
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19:23<Chutt>like, you don't spend >= $100 on a capture card with mpeg2 encoding and use it like a $40 card :p
19:23<Chutt>not on my tv
19:23<Chutt>on my monitor, i can
19:23<mythtv>Anyone have success with the sis7012 alsa drivers?
19:23<tmk>wow, it's mr mythtv
19:23<mythtv>I can't read from /dev/dsp! anytime a program tries to read, it returns 0 bytes!
19:24<tmk>i love your product
19:24<jcw>I can see a diff between 480 and 720 on my TV...
19:24-!-hadees is now known as ivtv
19:24<ivtv>hi mythtv
19:24<mythtv>:-D Hehe.. sorry, guys.. I'm logged in as the recommended mythtv user!
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19:24<alsa>hi there mythtv
19:24<mythtv>Hey, alsa!!!
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19:24<Elumin8>is there a different channel for digital cable boxes and tivo or mythtv type stuff?
19:24<mythtv>Do you know how to get the intel_8x0 alsa driver working?
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19:25<hauppauge>Hows it going mythtv
19:25<jcw>Install alsa, and configure modules.conf
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19:26<mythtv>jcw: yeah, I did that!
19:26<o_cee>i'm using the intel, works great.
19:26<jcw>Use a recent alsa rev, earlier ones had issues w/the 8x0
19:26<mythtv>I keep getting the error: only read 0 from 4096 bytes from '/dev/dsp'
19:26<Hadees>anyone use lirc with irman on gentoo?
19:26<jcw>is something using /dev/dsp already?
19:26<jcw>What DE?
19:27<mythtv>jcw: recent rev? you mean the latest version? Yeah, I think its the latest.. I just downloaded and compiled today... 0.9?
19:27<mythtv>jcw: no, nothing's using it... fuser /dev/dsp doesn't report anything
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19:27<mythtv>er, yeah 0.9.6. that's what I have
19:28<jcw>And you have modules.conf entries as shown for the 8x0 on the alsa site?
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19:28<mythtv>I copied a code snippet from oriely that opens /dev/dsp for read/write, and reads then writes what it read. Everytime it reads, read() returns 0!!
19:28<mythtv>jcw: yes, I have that all set up the way they say to do so
19:29<mythtv>and I made sure that the old OSS kernel drivers aren't being insmodded
19:29<jcw>And you have the alsa ones loaded? (just checking)
19:29<mythtv>lsmod returns with snd-intel8x0, not intel_8x0 or whatever
19:30<mythtv>yeah, pretty sure that's all right
19:30<jabooty>in debian what is the default password for the mythtv user? it's not blank. or.. how can I set it to something I want?
19:31<jcw>jabooty: I haven't a clue about the deb pwd, but if you're root, just passwd mythtv
19:31<jcw>mythtv, what distro?
19:31<mythtv>o_cee: what is your soundcard? Mine is onboard sis7012
19:32<mythtv>So, according to o'riely, /dev/dsp read()s should never return 0 (EOF)
19:32<mythtv>but that's all I get
19:32<jcw>Wait, if you've got an onboard sis7012, why are you using the intel 8x0 driver?
19:32<jabooty>jcw: okay, got one more question. when I run the cron file I get "config /home/mythtv/.mythtv/cable_us.xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure"
19:32<mythtv>well, the alsa page says to use the intel8x0
19:33<mythtv>I think its essentially the same thing
19:33<jcw>jabooty, then it doesn't exist. You probably ran setup as root instead of mythtv, so the file is in /root/.mythtv/cable_us.xmltv
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19:33<jcw>mythtv, sorry, I'm not familiar with that particular sound card. That just sounds goofy...
19:33<jabooty>jcw: can you tell me real quick how to create a config in /root ??
19:33<mythtv>yeah! arg! I've been up till 5:30 am working on this
19:34<jcw>mythtv, ah, so it does...
19:34<mythtv>could it be a bug in alsa?
19:34<jcw>mythtv, probably not
19:34<jcw>jabooty, which config file?
19:35<mythtv>hmm... maybe SiS has published an alsa driver of their own...
19:35<jabooty>the cable_us.xmltv config. can I just copy it from root to /home/mythtv?
19:35<jcw>jabooty, I'd suggest 'mv /root/.mythtv/cable_us.xmltv /home/mythtv/.mythtv/cable_us.xmltv && chown mythtv.mythtv /home/mythtv/.mythtv/cable_us.xmltv"
19:36<jcw>Yes, you can copy it, but I think you'll need to adjust the permissions (which the above line will do)
19:36<jabooty>jcw: alright, I'll give that a shot
19:36<jcw>mythtv, SiS isn't very linux-friendly, from what I understand...
19:36<jcw>So I doubt they have their own alsa driver
19:37<mythtv>darn :(
19:37<jcw>jabooty, good luck! It SHOULD work... :)
19:37<jabooty>jcw: ypu don't have to chown it when you run as root I guess.. :) well I got channels now, let's see if this works
19:37<jcw>mythtv, what distro was that again?
19:37<mythtv>I bit the bullet and downloaded RH9
19:38<jcw>"bit the bullet"?
19:38<mythtv>there's that tut on myth's website about how to do it with RH9
19:38<mythtv>jcw: yeah... I really don't like redhat that much.. but
19:38<mythtv>I wanted things to be simple.... Look where that got me! ;-)
19:38<jcw>You mean the thing NOT on myth's web site?
19:38<jcw>Over at PVRHW?
19:39<jcw>So you're doing source-based alsa instead of rpm?...
19:39<mythtv>well... yeah, but myth links to it.. : Jarod Wilson's "HOWTO Build a MythTV System on Red Hat Linux 9 w/ATrpms on
19:40<jcw>Did you catch the header file trick you have to pull off to get alsa to compile right against Red Hat's source?
19:40<jcw>jcw = Jarod C. Wilson. :)
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19:40<mythtv>You're my hero!!
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19:40<jcw>I've typically been 'jarodwilson' on here, but its too long
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19:41<mythtv>omg, I didn't make the connection!
19:41<jcw>So back to that alsa problem... Was there some reason you didn't go with alsa from rpms? Or did you?
19:41<mythtv>cool! so you know exactly where I'm coming from
19:41<mythtv>oh.. I did.. and was having this problem
19:41<mythtv>So I decided maybe the rpms wer corrupt or somethign
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19:42<mythtv>so I rpm -e 'ed them and downloaded alsa-0.9.6 drivers, libs, etc.
19:42<mythtv>but alas, same problem
19:42<jcw>No, the rpms are definitely good. I've gone and reinstalled some of them just today after upgrading the kernel on one of my machines
19:42<Jerry>hi guys, i'm brand new to this mythtv subject although i'm decent with unix linux distros. my question is: if i were to build a box for this purpose what would be the absolute best hardware if cost is no object?
19:42<jcw>Quad-proc Opteron.
19:43<Timon>A Pentathlalon
19:43<jcw>mythtv, did the sound work with OSS?
19:43<Jerry>hehe umm let me back up just a bit, pentium 4 fastest single cpu then what?
19:43<mythtv>I get slightly different results... let me try to repeat them..?
19:44<jcw>Jerry, you don't even need that much, really.
19:44<itvdev>heres one, what is the minimum config you can get this to work with assuming hardware compression decompression ?
19:44<jcw>Depends on exactly what you want to do.
19:44<Timon>Is there a way to convert your fs without formatting?
19:44<jcw>mythtv, slightly different results?...
19:44<Jerry>i want to use the box for dvdr svcds and networking to my home net as well as tv out
19:44<jcw>Timon, from ext2 to ext3, and vice versa, yes...
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19:45<jcw>Jerry, you'd probably be best served by reading the hardware section of the mythtv docs to start out
19:45<Timon>jcw: from ext3 to reiserfs
19:46<jcw>Timon, I had a feeling it probably wasn't ext2 to 3. :) Hm. I'm not familiar of a way to go ext3 to reiser w/o reformatting...
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19:46<Jerry>i read it and decided that the depends on your budget wasn't an answer i could accept. i looked at the goldfish page with the different configs and still was undecided how to proceed
19:46<mythtv>jcw: yeah... one second I'll see what they were
19:47<mythtv>lots of moduls to rmmod
19:47<Timon>jcw: You know of a way of formatting your primary fs without having to do a reload?
19:47<jcw>Jerry, it also depends on how much noise matters, how many recordings you'll want to keep around, etc...
19:47<hadees>anyone know what this means in lirc
19:47<Jerry>i was thinking to get a hauppauge 350 but still not sure if it's the best way to go and if i do will i still need a seperate video card?
19:47<hadees>irxevent: could not connect to socket
19:47<Jerry>noise isn't an issue
19:47<hadees>irxevent: Connection refused
19:47<jcw>Timon, as in back up everything, reformat, restore everything?
19:48<Timon>hadees: I get that, haven't figured it out
19:48<Timon>jcw: Yeah, but without borking it as its my boot partition. Can I do it live?
19:48<Timon>ie, boot off hdb1, backup hdb1, format hdb1, restore hdb1, lilo
19:49<jcw>Hm... I'd suggest heading over to and poking around there.
19:49<hadees>Timon: does lirc still work?
19:49<Jerry>hard drive space i can deal with, no problem there, just really concerned with the best way to display and capture the video
19:50<tmk>Chutt: any chance of that osd stuff getting in today?
19:50<jcw>W/mondo, you dump everything to a secondary partition, CD image, network volume, etc, then boot off a CD and do a restore
19:50<Timon>Oh, I misread your message. The error means lircd isn't running
19:50<Timon>jcw: cool, thanks
19:50<jcw>Jerry, I'd say get pretty much whatever you want if money and noise are not an issue.
19:51<jcw>Lots of people have had great success w/the GF4MX for video out to TV
19:51<jcw>other than that, whatever's clever
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19:51<Jerry>ok, also i couldn't find much on mpeg4, is it suppported by any cards? and will it work with mythtv?
19:51<tmk>myth can encode to mpg4
19:51<tmk>with just about any card
19:52<jcw>Jerry, there's quite a bit on mpeg4 and mythtv's support of it in the docs... :)
19:52<tmk>cept pvr-x50
19:52<jcw>(pvr-x50 is hw mpeg2)
19:52<Jerry>is there a card that does mpeg4 hardware encoding?
19:52<Jerry>and decoding?
19:52<jcw>not that I'm aware of...
19:52<tmk>they may be one that decodes
19:52<tmk>but no encoders yet
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19:53<jcw>But with a halfway decent processor, software encode/decode is easy enough
19:53<tmk>there's only one card in linux i think that supports mpg2 encoding even
19:53<jcw>And what card would that be, tmk? :)
19:53<Jerry>ok thanks for all your help. i've got a better idea of what to do than i've gotten from reading in my spare time for a month!
19:53<robbie>hi everybody
19:54<tmk>actually i heard the dvb project kind of had support for the kfir chips
19:54<tmk>but i hear they are also crappy
19:54<robbie>hey whenever i got to play a dvd in mythtv, nothing happens, ps shows mplayer running bu thte dvd player is doing nothing, i can run mplayer and watch the dvd manually ??
19:54<jcw>I hear someone wrote a pretty decent driver for the PVR-x50 cards or something...
19:54<tmk>yeah, but he doesn' really know what he's doing
19:54<jcw>I thought not.
19:55<jcw>Pretty good for a blind guy with one arm.
19:55<tmk>uphill both ways in the snow
19:55<tmk>barefoot on broken glass
19:55<jcw>robbie, sometimes there are focus issues and/or improper execing issues
19:55<robbie>hmm, console shows mplayer: could not connect to socket
19:56<robbie>mplayer: connection refused
19:56<o_cee>robbie: you might have a problem in that case
19:56<robbie>bah, thats lirc :P
19:56<jcw>oh, I get it. :)
19:56<Timon>robbie: I've never gotten anything to connect to lirc
19:56<mythtv>okay, jcw:
19:56<robbie>im running the debs
19:57<robbie>jcw: focus ?
19:57<robbie>ps shows it running as specified in the cofnig
19:57<jcw>robbie, some folks suggest chaning the launch command to exec "mplayer ..." or something like that...
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19:57<robbie>btw, whoever is here and contributed to mythtv, many thanks to you all
19:57<jcw>as for focus, I've seen it launch in the back of mythtv a time or two.
19:58<robbie>hmm k
19:58<jcw>I think Chutt contributed something...
19:59<Timon>robbie: your welcome
19:59<mythtv>jcw: when I use the kernel oss implementation, I read the correct number of bytes from /dev/dsp, but when I try to WRITE to the FD, I get -1: ENODEV ("No such device")
19:59<jcw>the FD? the floppy drive?
20:00<mythtv>sorry, file_descriptor
20:00<robbie>Timon: you seen netjuke ?
20:00<Timon>robbie: nope
20:00<robbie>i was about to expand it to do a few things, then someone pointed here
20:01<Timon>moegreen: You around?
20:02<jcw>mythtv, not sure about the write problem, never tried anything like that
20:03<mythtv>it's this simple code snippet that reads 3 seconds of audio from /dev/dsp, and then tries to play it back
20:03<o_cee>mythtv: haven't followed your issue. but have you setup alsa-oss?
20:04<mythtv>o_cee: umm.. I believe so
20:04<o_cee>mythtv: oookay then. :)
20:04<jcw>Did you compile and install the oss compat source also?
20:04<jcw>it is separate from the alsa source
20:05<o_cee>because myth doesn't use alsa (if you don't compile it in). it uses oss. but alsa-oss is the best, as far as i understand it
20:05<o_cee>does aplay work?
20:05<mythtv>oss compat source??
20:06<mythtv>o_cee: aplay works.. but, like the mythtv docs say, you SHOULD be able to run aplay /dev/dsp, and hear audio that's channeled in. Of course when I do it, I get a read error
20:07<o_cee>have you got snd-pcm/mixer-oss loaded?
20:07<o_cee>check with lsmod
20:08<mythtv>snd-intel8x0 25092 0 (autoclean)
20:08<mythtv>snd-ac97-codec 52600 0 (autoclean) [snd-intel8x0]
20:08<mythtv>snd-pcm 96576 0 (autoclean) [snd-intel8x0]
20:08<mythtv>snd-timer 22532 0 (autoclean) [snd-pcm]
20:08<mythtv>snd-page-alloc 10356 0 (autoclean) [snd-intel8x0 snd-pcm]
20:08<mythtv>snd-mpu401-uart 5840 0 (autoclean) [snd-intel8x0]
20:08<mythtv>snd-rawmidi 20608 0 (autoclean) [snd-mpu401-uart]
20:08<mythtv>snd-seq-device 6716 0 (autoclean) [snd-rawmidi]
20:08<mythtv>snd 54564 0 (autoclean) [snd-intel8x0 snd-ac97-codec snd-pcm snd-timer snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device]
20:08<mythtv>soundcore 6468 0 [snd]
20:08<o_cee>calm down dammit
20:08<jcw>Are you in an X environment, or only cli?
20:09<mythtv>sorry everyone!!
20:09<mythtv>jcw: X
20:09<o_cee>see, you haven't got snd-mixer/pcm-oss loaded
20:09<o_cee>do that and be happy.
20:10<jcw>I'm out of ideas, so hopefully o_cee is right. :)
20:10<mythtv>uhh... where do I get those modules?
20:10<jcw>Oh, are you logged into X as mythtv or another user?
20:11<mythtv>oh, right...
20:11<jcw>They should have been installed...
20:11<mythtv>okay they're insmodded
20:11<o_cee>in gentoo the package is called "alsa-oss"...
20:12<mythtv>read stlll returns 0
20:12<o_cee>is the user in the audio group?
20:12<robbie>hey i see lots of talk about alsa, is there anything wrong with using oss modules ?
20:12<mythtv>yeah, I have make installe'ed the alsa-oss package
20:12<mythtv>mythtv user?
20:12<o_cee>that's my last suggestion. :)
20:13<jcw>In Red Hat, devices (like /dev/dsp) change ownership to the primary logged in user
20:13<jcw>So if you logged in as bob, then su to user mythtv, I believe you wouldn't be able to access /dev/dsp as user mythtv
20:13<mythtv>well, /dev/dsp* have rw access (mode 666)
20:13<jcw>but you would be able to as bob
20:14<jcw>never mind then
20:14<mythtv>and I'm doing this experiment as root...
20:14<jcw>well, if you're root, it definitely ought to work...
20:14<mythtv>oh!! some news from #alsa!
20:14<jcw>robbie, oss can work
20:15<mythtv><jcdutton> mythtv: I have noticed a problem with intel8x0 sound recording. You get 0 bytes if the mixer items are not set correctly.
20:15<jcw>alsa is a bit better though
20:15<robbie>any issues with 2.6-testx ?
20:15<jcw>mythtv, did you remember to go into alsamixer and boost up the volumes and unmute stuff?
20:16<jcw>robbie, alsa is the sound system in 2.6. It replaces oss.
20:16<mythtv>jcw: yeah, I did... everything is almost 100% up, and unmuted.. but there's a few in there that are weird that I don't understand...
20:17<jcw>I know what ya mean. I haven't a clue what half the stuff in there is really for...
20:17<jcw>well, I'm going to have to duck out. The wife and kid just got home, and they want some attention too. :)
20:18<jcw>later, all...
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20:18<mythtv>jcdutton suggests that I use alsamixergui
20:18<robbie>odd, i can run xine in mythtv, but mplayer still just sits there
20:19<o_cee>what errors do you get?
20:20<robbie>ps shows mplayer running but i doesnt do anything
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20:20<robbie>i can run mplayer as user mythtv fine
20:20<o_cee>what's your commandline then?
20:20<robbie>from an xterm
20:20<robbie>ive tried a few
20:20<robbie>including just mplayer /dev/dvd
20:20<robbie>and the default
20:20<o_cee>and what does the console say? mplayer talks alot
20:20<robbie>ya, last thing it does is stop after the lirc bit
20:21<robbie>its like its waiting for some input
20:21<o_cee>disable lirc?
20:21* robbie is running debian unstable
20:21<robbie>might try that
20:21<o_cee>wouldn't that be the obvious thing to try?
20:22<robbie>cause it works fine from console
20:22<robbie>hmm, still no joy
20:23<o_cee>still, mplayer outputs alot to the console. what does it say?
20:24<robbie>hmm, when i try to run a dvd, and mplayer sits there, the capslock and scoll lock lights flash on the lb
20:25<robbie>doh,, crash :P
20:25<robbie>leme try again and see
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20:30<Chutt>when did this become tech support central?
20:31<o_cee>beats me
20:31<Chutt>and why is there some dumbass using 'mythtv' as a nick?
20:31<o_cee>i tried the new code briefly, seemed quicker :)
20:31<robbie>thise more a dev channel ?
20:32<robbie>might be a good idea to make a myth-help channel or suck
20:32<robbie>such even :)
20:32<Chutt>nope, it wouldn't be a good idea.
20:32<o_cee>good work, as always. take care, good night.
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20:33<robbie>we meld dev and help in one ourselves
20:34<robbie>though we have an unnatural tolerance to stupid questions
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20:45<mythtv>Chutt: hay. I'm no dumbass
20:45<Chutt>uh, right.
20:45<Chutt>use a different nick, then, genius.
20:48<mythtv>can mythtv be recompiled so that it records sound without using /dev/dsp?
20:49<Chutt>how's it supposed to record, then, magic?
20:50<mythtv>well, /dev/dsp uses OSS or OSS emulation, right?
20:50<Chutt>you still haven't changed your nick.
20:50<mythtv>can't alsa record without OSS?
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20:52<Timon>that works
20:54<hadees>mabey he wanted to be the mascot
20:56<robbie>or bot
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22:52<hadees>Chutt: you should register the mythtv nick and use it as a bot so no one else can come in here like that
22:55<Chutt>naw, i don't like bots.
22:56<hadees>well atleast register the nick so that idiot can't come back on
22:56<Chutt>he's still using it
23:18<robbie>can i ask a stupid qeustion ?
23:19<robbie>no Makefile in mythtv cvs ?
23:20<kja>robbie: I *think* i read something about that on the mailing lists
23:20<robbie>ahh, have to run qmake first
23:21<robbie>the weather module looks first rate
23:21<robbie>only weather ive seen that looks better the the blond on the morning news
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23:58<hadees>hey when images change fast on my TV i star to see lines
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