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02:13 | <thor_> | Chutt, seem to be some decent patches flowing in. Sorry I've been a bit absent recently (real work). MythBurn is moving ... but very slowly .... |
02:17 | <CaCtus491> | MythBurn, that sounds interesting :) |
02:17 | <thor_> | it's coming ... albeit slowly |
02:18 | <CaCtus491> | What does it burn? |
02:19 | <thor_> | Hmmm .... discs |
02:19 | <CaCtus491> | lol, to cd or dvd or both? |
02:20 | <thor_> | at this point .... nothing |
02:20 | <thor_> | (code is a mess) |
02:20 | <thor_> | soon CDs |
02:20 | <thor_> | later, those versatile thingyies |
02:24 | <CaCtus491> | ahh, well, sounds promising, looking forward to it! |
02:25 | <tmk> | i want a button that makes svcd's of my stuff :) |
02:26 | <thor_> | tmk, yeah ... well ... the mtd is doing the transcoding |
02:26 | <thor_> | but still .... |
02:27 | <thor_> | there's something very un-mythical about software to **remove** content from your "mythical" convergence box |
02:28 | <tmk> | :) |
02:28 | <tmk> | well i wouldnt have to if storage wasn't finite |
02:28 | <CaCtus491> | Is there currently a way to record something when watching live tv? ie, I'm watching a show and an interesting segment comes that I want to keep for someone else, but its a short segment and by the time I exit go to start an instant recording it would already be halfway through |
02:29 | <thor_> | not a gui way |
02:29 | <thor_> | you could always hand copy the .nuv ring buffer somewhere |
02:30 | <CaCtus491> | yeah, unfortunately I could but the non techie people who are going to be using it. |
02:31 | <CaCtus491> | I'd really like to contribute to this project, but still in the process of getting a decent setup going |
02:31 | <thor_> | the code is not that complicated ... even I understand most of it |
02:32 | <thor_> | tmk, you still in BC? |
02:32 | <CaCtus491> | one of my main interests it to extend mythgallery a bit |
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02:33 | <thor_> | CaCtus491, MythGallery is in desperate need of day to day ownership |
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02:34 | <CaCtus491> | I'd love to see features suchs as a nice web interface + ordering prints through ppl like fotowire |
02:35 | <CaCtus491> | but it looks like it will have to wait a bit until I can arrange a bit of time |
02:37 | <tmk> | bc? |
02:38 | <thor_> | tmk, sorry .. I have youy confused with someone else .... |
02:39 | <thor_> | CaCtus49, if you want it to work better ... then .... |
02:42 | <CaCtus491> | thor_: yup, I understand that for sure and I have every intention to... need to brush up on C++ a bit first :) |
02:43 | <CaCtus491> | is there any list as to who is actively working on what atm? |
02:43 | <CaCtus491> | up until you just mentioned it, I had no idea that there was a mythburn in progress |
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02:45 | <thor_> | CaCtus491, this irc channel is the most effective guide ... it's open source, after all ... |
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02:46 | <CaCtus491> | ahh, the joys of working on open source :) |
02:46 | <CaCtus491> | btw, this irc channel is also hard to find... (well, atleast before the recent post to the list) |
02:47 | <CaCtus491> | ...I think I saw it at the end of one of the README files for one of the modules |
02:47 | <thor_> | I think that's vaguely by design\ |
02:47 | <CaCtus491> | yeah, I was thinking that, so it stays more of a development thing rather than a help chan? |
02:47 | <thor_> | hopefully |
02:48 | <thor_> | no cultural bias against newbies, just a bandwidth thing |
03:03 | <jarodwilson> | thor_, I promised you some feedback on mythmusic by the end of this past weekend... I haven't forgot, just had an unexpected funeral to deal with... |
03:04 | <jarodwilson> | I still plan to, but its been a far more hectic week than anticipated... |
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03:06 | <thor_> | jarodwilson, no biggie |
03:06 | <jarodwilson> | I actually took some time to play with it this afternoon (0.11 release version though) |
03:07 | <jarodwilson> | Better than I remembered, but very sluggish |
03:07 | <jarodwilson> | Of course, all 10k songs are on a network share, contributing to the matter |
03:07 | <thor_> | hmmmm .... |
03:08 | <thor_> | hey ... post your problems ... at worst they'll be ignored |
03:08 | <jarodwilson> | I tried to edit a playlist while in play mode, then hit escape to get back to the play screen, and there was about a 10 second pause with no feeback and no control |
03:08 | <jarodwilson> | :) |
03:09 | <jarodwilson> | I probably should limit the bitching until I try the cvs version... |
03:09 | <thor_> | mythmusic has not changed much (if at all) between 0.11 and cvs |
03:10 | <jarodwilson> | Oh yeah, last time I had a remote only. Now I have a Gyration keyboard. It makes navigating my song tree MUCH faster |
03:10 | <jarodwilson> | Ah. |
03:10 | <CaCtus491> | mythmusic? heh, one problem I had was I made a typo in the music storge location so that it was pointing to a nonexistant directory... Myth segfaults rather than politely saying that the path doesn't exist :) |
03:10 | <jarodwilson> | I think it took about 30 minutes to scan in my entire collection, the first minute or two with zero feedback |
03:10 | <thor_> | CaCtus491, yeah, that's an issue ... |
03:11 | <jarodwilson> | thor_, just to clarify, was the "has not changed much" a license to bitch now then? :) |
03:11 | <thor_> | yup |
03:11 | <thor_> | bitch away |
03:11 | <jarodwilson> | Though I was supposed to be focusing more on UI, I think... |
03:12 | <CaCtus491> | I really like some of the visualisations in mythmusic |
03:12 | <jarodwilson> | I really like feeding my amp via coax digital... |
03:13 | <thor_> | Mythmusic is a bastardization of code |
03:13 | <thor_> | Chutt wrote most of it very quickly |
03:13 | <thor_> | I have tried to clean things a bit |
03:13 | <thor_> | but it is still a bad piece of code |
03:14 | <jarodwilson> | Hey, doesn't xmms have optional lirc support? I should look at how it does things... |
03:14 | <jarodwilson> | The more I poke through the source code, things are coming back to me... |
03:15 | <jarodwilson> | I used to know how to do some programming, just never had any practical application for it... |
03:15 | <thor_> | xmms source, or myth source ? |
03:15 | <jarodwilson> | myth |
03:15 | <CaCtus491> | can the volume be adjusted from within mythmusic, or can songs be deleted from the disk? |
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03:15 | <jarodwilson> | I wonder if rhytmbox has any sort of lirc support in the works... |
03:16 | <thor_> | CaCtus491, yes and no |
03:16 | <jarodwilson> | er, rhythmbox |
03:17 | <jarodwilson> | What I'm trying to envision is an interface like that of rhythmbox, and you hit a key to move from section to section of the UI. You select something within a section, hit another key, and a contextual menu pops up |
03:17 | <thor_> | despite the degree of hodge-podging, MythMusic is still a great user-level experience |
03:18 | <thor_> | jarodwilson, from play, then 3, then what is the limitation ? |
03:18 | <jarodwilson> | Select your library from the playlist section, switch to the song list for the library, select the song (or songs) you're after, hit a key to get a menu of what to do w/the song |
03:19 | <jarodwilson> | the switching of screens bugs me, I thin |
03:19 | <jarodwilson> | k |
03:19 | <thor_> | you do have ShowWholeTree on? |
03:19 | <jarodwilson> | I like everything on one screen |
03:19 | <jarodwilson> | Probably not... |
03:19 | <jarodwilson> | Forgot to look into that... |
03:19 | <thor_> | hmmmm |
03:19 | <thor_> | do that |
03:20 | <jarodwilson> | uno momento, por favor... |
03:20 | <thor_> | up, down, left, right, and select everything in your possesion |
03:21 | <thor_> | ..... while jarod is fiddling, I'm going out for a smoke ... |
03:22 | <CaCtus491> | what keys are used to skip to the next / previous song? |
03:26 | <jarodwilson> | cripes... gotta wait another week for the music database to fill... |
03:26 | <jarodwilson> | (I'm on a different frontend than before) |
03:28 | <thor_> | CaCtus491, up/down to selection, then enter (to move to any arbitrary song). To just get to the next one in the list, PageDown. |
03:29 | <CaCtus491> | ahh, thanks |
03:30 | <CaCtus491> | is there any reason for key differences between mythtv and mythmusic? ie, volume uses different keys, ff / rw, etc? |
03:31 | <thor_> | The idea is that PageDown (and, btw, PageUp) will be mapped to Next/Prev keys on a standard remote layout |
03:44 | <jarodwilson> | 19%... |
03:49 | <CaCtus491> | wow, that does take a while :) |
03:50 | <jarodwilson> | now 22%... |
03:50 | <jarodwilson> | yep |
03:51 | <thor_> | jarodwilson, hmmm ... all mp3's ? |
03:51 | <jarodwilson> | no, a mix of mp3 and ogg |
03:51 | <jarodwilson> | oh, and a few aac |
03:51 | <thor_> | ahhh |
03:52 | <thor_> | have no idea what mmusic will do with acc |
03:52 | <thor_> | probably puke |
03:52 | <jarodwilson> | Perhaps this is a contributing factor to some of my sluggishness? |
03:53 | <thor_> | aac's ... maybe (?) |
03:53 | <thor_> | mp3 for sure |
03:54 | <thor_> | mythmusic was designed to like ogg and hate mp3 |
03:54 | <jarodwilson> | mp3 slows it down? |
03:54 | <jarodwilson> | aha. |
03:54 | <jarodwilson> | Of the 10,000 songs, I'd wager a guess at least 80% are mp3. |
03:54 | <thor_> | mp3 is not an open standard |
03:54 | <CaCtus491> | heh |
03:54 | <jarodwilson> | I know. But its what I got. :) |
03:54 | <CaCtus491> | does ogg play in wpm? |
03:54 | <CaCtus491> | err, wmp even |
03:55 | <jarodwilson> | Oh, and iTunes doesn't work very well w/ogg. |
03:55 | <thor_> | ogg is open, install the software and it will play |
03:55 | <jarodwilson> | Just the opposite problem as MM. Very quick w/mp3 and aac, slow as all hell w/ogg |
03:55 | <jarodwilson> | The quicktime ogg plugin is relative crap. |
03:56 | <thor_> | this is the same reason that mythdvd wants to sub-xvid for divx |
03:56 | <jarodwilson> | It works, but it is very slow. Reading tags and starting playback takes WAY more time than mp3/aac |
03:56 | <thor_> | yes ... but it will get faster |
03:57 | <thor_> | and you'll get to keep your files |
03:57 | <jarodwilson> | which, the ogg plug for quicktime, or the mp3 playback for MM? |
03:57 | <thor_> | both |
03:57 | <thor_> | your liberties |
03:58 | <jarodwilson> | And aac? |
03:58 | <jarodwilson> | In particular, the aac files from the iTunes music store, which have playback protection... |
03:58 | <thor_> | Play 'em if you've got 'em |
03:59 | <thor_> | but that's drm nonsense |
03:59 | <jarodwilson> | I have yet to try them on anything but a Mac, which prompts for authorization |
03:59 | <jarodwilson> | yep |
03:59 | <jarodwilson> | I can always burn them out to CD, then re-rip them, but I'd rather not. |
03:59 | <thor_> | stupid, |
03:59 | <thor_> | ... stupid ..., |
04:00 | <thor_> | and, even stupid, ... |
04:00 | <jarodwilson> | It was the only way Apple could get record labels to let them sell songs. |
04:00 | <jarodwilson> | Compared to some proposed methods, their drm is very liberal. |
04:00 | <jarodwilson> | But it still sucks. :) |
04:00 | <thor_> | it was the only way Apple could bullshit the labels that they has a "DRM" mechanism in place |
04:01 | <jarodwilson> | 31% scanned in... |
04:01 | <jarodwilson> | So when you said MM was designed to hate mp3, do you mean it is deliberately slower w/mp3 than ogg? |
04:02 | <thor_> | yup |
04:02 | <thor_> | but not cause we hate mp3's |
04:02 | <thor_> | just cause the ogg/vorbis lib is easy |
04:02 | <jarodwilson> | ah |
04:03 | <thor_> | (the ogg file format tells you where to read the playing length. With mp3, you need to actually play the file) |
04:05 | <jarodwilson> | So are you saying when I'm scanning in songs, if I want to know how long each is ahead of time, they all have to be played a bit before the track time can be determined? |
04:06 | <thor_> | If they're oggs, you need to just load the header (plus a wee bit). |
04:06 | <thor_> | If they're mp3's, you need to "play" the whole track |
04:07 | <jarodwilson> | Which of course, takes much more time, processing, data reading, etc. Huh. |
04:07 | <thor_> | Yup |
04:08 | <thor_> | MythMusic tries to be efficient if it looks like the file is Constant Bit Rate |
04:12 | <jarodwilson> | And of course, most of the mp3 rips I've done myself are HQ-VBR |
04:12 | <jarodwilson> | 42% |
04:14 | <thor_> | MP3 VBR is insanely stupid .... there is no way to know how long a rip is unless you play it ... |
04:15 | <thor_> | which means, "this is a meta-content standard which knows nothing about meta-data" |
04:18 | <jarodwilson> | If I'm not mistaken, Apple takes certain liberties with the tags... |
04:18 | <jarodwilson> | And puts the track length in a tag |
04:18 | <thor_> | Yup .... |
04:18 | <thor_> | but that's not information |
04:19 | <thor_> | it's opinion |
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04:19 | <jarodwilson> | Opinion? How do you mean? |
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04:20 | <jarodwilson> | 51% |
04:20 | <thor_> | jarodwilson, Apple can assert track length in a field |
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04:20 | <jarodwilson> | But it might not be right is what you're saying? |
04:20 | <thor_> | yup |
04:21 | <jarodwilson> | gotcha |
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04:21 | <jarodwilson> | But that info is somehow retained in ogg file header |
04:21 | <thor_> | ogg is vastly superior to mp3 |
04:22 | <jarodwilson> | I know. |
04:22 | <jarodwilson> | And I wish Apple would get off their asses and support it better... |
04:22 | <jarodwilson> | But wait!!! What about WMA!!! |
04:22 | <jarodwilson> | (jarod immediately gets kicked) |
04:23 | | * thor_ thinks copyright is fucked |
04:23 | | * thor_ is not sure that's a bad thing |
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04:28 | <jarodwilson> | ah, snort is such fun... |
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04:33 | <jarodwilson> | Can't believe the number of IIS exploit propagation attempts... Okay, yes I can... |
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04:37 | <jarodwilson> | later all, time for me to sleep... |
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04:53 | | * reza_ looks around |
04:54 | <reza_> | anyone up? |
04:55 | <o_cee\zZz> | a little |
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04:55 | <o_cee> | trying to get some work done |
05:03 | <reza_> | work on myth or on work? |
05:03 | <o_cee> | work :( |
05:03 | <reza_> | i'm having wired issues with gdb... when the external change channel command gets called, gdb gets confused |
05:03 | <o_cee> | or studies to be more specific |
05:03 | <reza_> | know anything about it |
05:03 | <reza_> | what are you studying? |
05:03 | <o_cee> | never used it |
05:04 | <o_cee> | java at the moment |
05:04 | <reza_> | and why is my cvs update taking soo long? |
05:04 | <reza_> | java sucks |
05:04 | <reza_> | a lot |
05:04 | <o_cee> | yeeesh, me knows that |
05:04 | <o_cee> | but alot of it is very similar to c++ |
05:04 | <o_cee> | wich i will be reading later on |
05:04 | <reza_> | of what i know, i like the following langs in order "perl, C, python, java".. |
05:04 | <reza_> | just picked up a book on C++, but it's easy enough to follow the code |
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05:22 | <o_cee> | CaCtus491: here? |
05:22 | <CaCtus491> | yup |
05:22 | <CaCtus491> | for a little bit |
05:23 | <o_cee> | you said you wanted to do stuff on mythgallery? |
05:23 | <KikoV> | has somebody a epia m9000 working with mythtv? |
05:24 | <CaCtus491> | o_cee: yeah, but not right now, in a few wks |
05:24 | <o_cee> | CaCtus491: we had some discussion before about it.. thumbcache needs a better inplementation, and fade/wipe isn't even read from the database as far as i can see |
05:24 | <o_cee> | okay |
05:24 | <o_cee> | you could put those on your todo if you hadn't noticed them yourself ;) |
05:26 | <CaCtus491> | to tell you the truth, I haven't really played with mythgallery much yet, basically installed it and that's it :) |
05:26 | <CaCtus491> | but, yeah, will look into it as soon as I get time |
05:27 | <o_cee> | great. what i mean with the thumbcache is that it would be nice to keep the thumbs locally if the drive is a network drive (could just be an option "Keep thumbs locally in: ") |
05:27 | <o_cee> | and the SlideshowTransition will probably be very easy to get there, just gotta read som Qt docs |
05:28 | <o_cee> | someone must have forgotten it |
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05:39 | | * ay says hi. |
05:40 | <ay> | I get router loops on my way to mythtv-cvs. |
05:41 | <ay> | border5.ge3-2.speakeasy-28.chg.pnap.net and fe2-0.spk-1-chi.speakeasy.net does some funky stuff. |
05:41 | <KikoV> | cvs up |
05:41 | <KikoV> | cvs [update aborted]: connect to cvs.mythtv.org(66.93.11.148):2401 failed: No route to host |
05:41 | | * ay would love to get his hands on mythnews (using to i develop my own little plugin) |
05:42 | <ay> | KikoV: Right you are. |
05:42 | <ay> | The original ftp-server for mythtnews seems down as well. |
05:42 | <choenig> | ay: if you like, I can send you a fresh co |
05:43 | <ay> | choenig: Thanks. That will do :-) |
05:43 | <choenig> | ok |
05:43 | <KikoV> | traceroute 66.93.11.148 -> let's see |
05:43 | <ay> | KikoV: Probably the loop i mentioned. |
05:44 | <ay> | choenig: ay@linpro.no if you need a email-address. |
05:44 | <KikoV> | 22 border5.ge3-2.speakeasy-28.chg.pnap.net (64.94.35.212) 187.930 ms 187.922 ms 350.107 ms |
05:44 | <choenig> | ok, just have to start my mythbox |
05:44 | <ay> | It isn't on 24/7? :-) |
05:46 | <choenig> | ay: mail is on its way |
05:46 | <choenig> | ay: the server should be available 24/7 |
05:47 | | * ay doesn't use the server. |
05:47 | | * ay does not have any tv-cards. |
05:48 | <ay> | Only running the frontend (and i run the backend on the same machine since some plugins live better with a database) |
05:48 | <ay> | choenig: Thanks! |
05:48 | <choenig> | ah, ay, you meant my mythbox? no, its not running 24/7 |
05:49 | <choenig> | but it powers up and down when needed to record and stuff |
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05:52 | <o_cee> | me has gotta fix that as well.. |
05:52 | <o_cee> | haven't had time yet |
05:55 | <choenig> | o_cee: fix what? |
05:56 | <o_cee> | choenig: automatik start/shutdown |
05:56 | <choenig> | I hope I get my patch to issac within the next two weeks |
05:56 | <o_cee> | with that stuff? |
05:57 | <choenig> | yepp |
05:57 | <o_cee> | nice :) but the pita is to get the bios settings |
05:57 | <choenig> | I don't use bios w/u here, I use my 24/7 router to wakeup the box using wol |
05:58 | <choenig> | but the patch is fully configurable and lets you decide the way to go |
05:59 | <o_cee> | oh.. hmm, too bad i ain't using freesco anymore. got a dsl/router thingie. |
06:02 | <choenig> | I use wol since my mobo isn't supported by the w/u tools I know of |
06:02 | <ay> | Argh. Compiling on the xbox is painfull. |
06:03 | <ay> | loopback on a fatx-partition... |
06:04 | <o_cee> | choenig: yeah, i'll have to look into that.. what tools are there? |
06:06 | <choenig> | nvram-wakeup.sf.net and http://www.malloc.de/tools/wakeup_clock.html |
06:06 | <choenig> | but the 2nd one only supports a handful mobos |
06:10 | <o_cee> | doesn't seem to exist for my mobo.. |
06:11 | <o_cee> | at least not that specific mb |
06:11 | <choenig> | nvram-w/u has some neat detection stuff |
06:12 | <o_cee> | i think i tried that but failed.. will have to redo it i guess. was alot of rebooting :) |
06:13 | <choenig> | hehe, same here |
06:17 | <reza_> | hey, does anyone know how to use sockets within QT -- but local/unix sockets, not tcp sockets? |
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08:04 | <o_cee> | cvs dead :/ |
08:09 | <reza_> | great |
08:09 | <reza_> | i spend the past 3 hours working on adding somewhat native lirc support to myth only to find it's already there... |
08:09 | <reza_> | is this a new thing? |
08:18 | <jkolb> | Looks like the first native lirc support went in Aug 4. |
08:19 | <reza_> | is this only to receive text, or are they going to add support to change channels? |
08:20 | <jkolb> | I haven't played with it, but I think it's just support so you don't need irxevent. |
08:23 | <dja> | reza_: so far it's only to receive IR -- note that if you're using mythvideo or mythdvd, you still need irxevent (as a matter of fact, I turned native lirc back off since many of the keys used by mplayer overlap with myth) |
08:28 | <ay> | Mpfp. |
08:29 | <ay> | All the mythcomponentes (mythvideo,mythgallery/mythtmusic) should be able to read files from several locations. |
08:29 | <ay> | Is that possible now? |
08:29 | <o_cee> | don't think so |
08:29 | <ay> | I have my videos in several different directories. |
08:29 | <o_cee> | would be nice indeed |
08:29 | <ay> | locally on the xbox, on two differnt samba/nfsd shares.. |
08:30 | <ay> | Hm. Routing on the internet is really fucket up today. |
08:30 | <jkolb> | You can fake it for now by making your root dir, then symlinking to each of the video dirs. |
08:31 | <ay> | Will mythvideo take subdirs? |
08:31 | <jkolb> | Yeah. All of my videos are in a nice hierarchy. |
08:31 | <ay> | Might be that everybody is updating their cisco's. |
08:31 | <ay> | (they use openssh...) |
08:31 | <ay> | mail.sourceforge.net is also down. |
08:32 | <ay> | cvs here is down because of a routerloop. |
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08:56 | <_rkulagow> | chutt: please sync docs. |
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09:10 | <ZeoTherm> | Can I put forward a question that may have been answered a lot of times? |
09:11 | <ZeoTherm> | I just updated myth to v0.11, and I updated my ivtv drivers to the latest CVS. Now when I try and browse the program guide, the backend segfaults. I saw this reported a few times in a developer forum, but I never saw a fix for it. Any suggestions? |
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09:23 | <ZeoTherm> | I guess no one is here, I'll try back another time. |
09:26 | <_rkulagow> | chutt: CVS down? |
09:28 | <dja> | Chutt isn't on...I'm wondering if he's having network problems...:-) |
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11:14 | <_rkulagow> | chutt: can you sync docs please? |
11:17 | <Chutt> | yeah |
11:17 | <Chutt> | few minutes |
11:17 | <Chutt> | just got back online |
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11:19 | <monkeyBox> | I'm curious, what's the purpose of the "oldrecorded" table? |
11:19 | <Chutt> | grep for it in the source. |
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11:44 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, the docs are in the process of uploading |
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12:11 | <monkeyBox> | I'm trying to figure out what some of the extra .nuv files are doing in my recording dir... I just want to check, are the filenames in the format of chanid_starttime_endtime.nuv ?? |
12:11 | <kja> | jup |
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12:19 | <KikoV> | has anybody tested the mythbrowser plugin? |
12:37 | <kja> | Chutt, did you move the cvs-server? It feels better... |
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12:54 | <kja> | TheWildgoose: you mentioned in a mail that channel changing was a slight bit slower in the lates releases, how so? much difference? |
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13:42 | <_rkulagow> | chutt: i edited the qmake.conf file and blanked out "strip". i'm rebuilding now to see if that in combo with the glibc repackage puts mandrake 9.2 on the "distros that don't fuck up threads and/or backtraces" |
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14:01 | <RGi> | fuck.. I think I going to kill someone !!! this fucking myth install shit is driving me crazy ! |
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14:02 | <steelep> | yes, the installer should come with a warning label :-) |
14:02 | <sfr> | RGi: but that's not likely to give you a working myth installation neither. |
14:03 | <RGi> | sfr : nah.. I know.. to bad =/ |
14:04 | <RGi> | anyone got any working systems with PVR350 and lirc installed ? |
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14:06 | <monkeyBox> | if I have .nuv files that don't exist anywhere in the DB is it safe to assume that I can delete them? |
14:09 | <RGi> | do I have to use mysql 3.xxx ? or does it work with mysql 4 to ? |
14:10 | <mecraw_> | RGi: mysql 4 should be fine |
14:10 | <sfr> | RGi: v4 works fine here |
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14:10 | <RGi> | hmm strange that this doesnt work.. |
14:16 | <RGi> | what is the latest debian ver. ? |
14:17 | <sfr> | RGi: apt-cache show mysql-server will tell you if you have an up-to-date package listing |
14:18 | <sfr> | RGi: it's 4.0.14-1 |
14:18 | <RGi> | sfr : using slackware now.. thinking of trying debian.. |
14:21 | <RGi> | I just wont this myth thigie to go straight in and work.. hehe =D I dont have the patience for this in and out with moduels and stuff like that.. hehe =) |
14:22 | <RGi> | anyone here that this worked for at the first install ?? =) |
14:25 | <RGi> | is should be a iso image that you just burned on a CD and it started an install.. installing everything like it should... working.... =) |
14:27 | <sfr> | did you check out this knoppixmyth ? |
14:27 | <RGi> | nah ? |
14:29 | <sfr> | don't know the details, check the list archives for more. it should come close to what you want. |
14:31 | <RGi> | hmm okay... |
14:42 | <tmk> | RGi: i have a pvr350 + myth |
14:43 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, not fully there, but better |
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14:45 | <_rkulagow> | chutt: what's missing? symbols in pthread/glibc? |
14:48 | <Chutt> | check out threads 5 and 6 |
14:49 | <RGi> | tmk : oh.. take an image of your system an send it to me!! =D |
14:51 | <tmk> | haha |
14:52 | <RGi> | I`m so tierd of not geting this to work =( |
14:53 | <tmk> | what's missing |
14:54 | <_rkulagow> | tmk: was that towards me/chutt? |
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14:57 | <tmk> | rk: nah that was for rgi |
14:57 | <_rkulagow> | chutt: there's a mandrake glibc-debug that i can install since it appears that threads 5 and 6 have to do with libc. |
14:57 | <_rkulagow> | let me see what that breaks. |
14:57 | <_rkulagow> | :) |
14:58 | <_rkulagow> | tmk: ok. |
15:02 | <_rkulagow> | hrmm. ok, so now i have a /usr/lib/debug where libc is 18MB instead of 1.2MB. what's the magic word to have that libc used rather than the one in /lib? |
15:03 | <_rkulagow> | (actually, that's semi-rhetorical while i search around...) |
15:04 | <monkeyBox> | Is there such thing as a TV tuner that can replace a Digital-Cable box, such as the ones given by Time-Warner Digital Cable or Cox Digital Cable ? |
15:04 | <_rkulagow> | for digital channels (>125), no. there's no digital cable standard yet. |
15:05 | <monkeyBox> | So for now we'd have to use an ir-blaster, correct? |
15:05 | <_rkulagow> | you'll have to go analog out the set top box into your capture card. |
15:05 | <_rkulagow> | ir-blaster or serial control of the STB, yes. |
15:05 | <monkeyBox> | I wonder, does the OSD on the STB interfere with MythTV's OSD? is there a way to turn off the STB's OSD? |
15:06 | <monkeyBox> | I guess it probably depends on the STB maker... |
15:06 | <_rkulagow> | that depends on the STB. check avsforum, or google around a bit. |
15:07 | <monkeyBox> | avsforum? ok.. thanks :) |
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15:07 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | evenin all |
15:07 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | anyone having segv's with the current CVS of mythvideo? |
15:08 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | specificaly when selecting 'browse video's'? |
15:08 | <_rkulagow> | have you run it in GDB? "getting a segfault" isn't particularly helpful. |
15:09 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | yeah i know, im just recompiling now |
15:09 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | how do i execute the plugin as a binary? |
15:09 | <RGi> | tmk : everything... printingt out the manual now.. and reading EVERYTHING as I do it.. |
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16:20 | <SmellyCat> | has cvs been done today? |
16:20 | <SmellyCat> | Its my first attempt to use it and it hangs at the password |
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16:25 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | ive used it ok today |
16:26 | <SmellyCat> | What is the correct procedure? I used: |
16:26 | <SmellyCat> | export CVSROOT=:pserver:mythtv@mythtv.org:/var/lib/cvs |
16:26 | <SmellyCat> | telephone-event/from |
16:26 | <SmellyCat> | cvs login mythtv |
16:26 | <SmellyCat> | (ignore telephone part) |
16:26 | <Chutt> | why don't you use the information that's in the documentation, instead of making stuff up? |
16:26 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | good point tbh, the documentation for the CVS is spot on |
16:27 | <SmellyCat> | I found this stuff in the gosammer archive |
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16:28 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | private message smellycat |
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16:45 | <o_cee> | i was recording 24 today, and it was a tad delayed.. only had 240s (4 minutes) delay, but it stopped after 2 minutes? what's up with that? i've got the time synced with ntp, so it's right on.. |
16:45 | <o_cee> | it didn't record the last minute or so :( |
16:47 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | series 2 or 3? |
16:47 | <o_cee> | ah well, bumped it up, but i thought it was prettty straaange |
16:47 | <o_cee> | 2 |
16:47 | <o_cee> | first episode |
16:48 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | ah |
16:48 | <o_cee> | we're a bit late her eyou know |
16:48 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | im still watching season 1 on DVD |
16:48 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | im upto 16:00 :) |
16:48 | <o_cee> | but i saw the problem now. the listning says it should have ended at 9:55.. ended 10:03.. bad listning and delay.. dammit |
16:48 | <o_cee> | it's great, i have it on dvd as well |
16:49 | <o_cee> | missed the first season |
16:49 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | eep! |
16:49 | <o_cee> | 9:00 24 9:55.. next program starts at 10.. right, that make sense |
16:50 | <o_cee> | anyway, bmped up the settings, shouldn't happen again |
16:50 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | do you set it to prerecord, and overrecord? |
16:50 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | ah |
16:50 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | good |
16:50 | <o_cee> | yeah |
16:50 | <o_cee> | but 4 minutes wasn't enough |
16:50 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | happens |
16:50 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | season 2, first episode, last 5 mins? |
16:50 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | hmmmmmm |
16:50 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | is that where he dies? |
16:50 | | * [DOA]Tarkie ponders. |
16:51 | <o_cee> | hahah |
16:51 | <o_cee> | we wheren't delayed when watching, so i missed like 30 seconds max |
16:52 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | how did you put your channel info in mythtv? |
16:52 | <_rkulagow> | fuck. lirc hasn't worked for a while, and it's always been annoying me, since there wasn't a good reason. now i know. running a self-compiled version to support the hauppauge remote. included the i2c 2.8.0 patch. still nothing. turns out that mandrake cooker installs lirc modules as a part of the kernel whether or not you install lirc. and since they get installed "higher up" in /usr/lib, they over-ride the ones that lirc install |
16:52 | <o_cee> | [DOA]Tarkie: ?? |
16:52 | <_rkulagow> | and they're the 0.6.6 version, not 0.7.0pre. |
16:52 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | i've managed to watch TV, live, using mplayer |
16:52 | <_rkulagow> | stupid mandrake. |
16:53 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | but i cant get my head around how i put the channels in |
16:53 | <o_cee> | uh, mythfilldatabase?? |
16:53 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | i believe, in the UK, you have to edit the database? |
16:53 | <o_cee> | mythfilldatabase --manual |
16:53 | <o_cee> | rtm |
16:53 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | could never get that to work |
16:54 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | comes up with grabbing data using tv_grab_uk_rt is not verified as working..... |
16:54 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | its not in the manual |
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16:55 | <o_cee> | install myphpadmin and enter it manually |
16:55 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | hmm |
16:55 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | good idea! |
16:55 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | :P |
16:55 | <tmk> | anyone have a good solution for tv programs that run long |
16:55 | <tmk> | like overtime sports etc |
16:56 | <o_cee> | hmm |
16:56 | <o_cee> | not really, no, don't think so |
16:56 | <lmatter> | tmk, always record the show that comes after :-) |
16:56 | <o_cee> | set the recordpast to an hour :) |
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17:02 | <tmk> | heh |
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17:04 | <o_cee> | there should be a complete manual recording.. like on a vcr |
17:05 | <o_cee> | and a way to copy the things in the ringbuffer if you decided you wanted something recorded after you started watching it.. would be very useful |
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17:09 | <o_cee> | night all, time to get some sleep |
17:09 | <monkeyBox> | Does anyone here have the Via EPIA-M 1GHz board? |
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17:13 | <tdb30_> | anyone here ever seen the coolermaster atc-620c0bx1 in person? |
17:16 | <monkeyBox> | you mean the ATC-620c ? |
17:17 | <monkeyBox> | I know CompUSA has them |
17:17 | <tdb30_> | this one is a desktop black low profile ish case |
17:18 | <tdb30_> | yeah thats probably the one |
17:18 | <tdb30_> | I was wondering if anyone saw what they realy looked like vs the pictures on the net. |
17:19 | <monkeyBox> | It basically looks like the picture... |
17:19 | <monkeyBox> | I think I'd be more proned to buying a mini-itx platform for a HTPC |
17:19 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | are they any good, as im about to order one |
17:20 | <monkeyBox> | [DOA]Tarkie: I just got the VIA EPIA-M... |
17:20 | <monkeyBox> | and a Morex Cubid 3688 |
17:20 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | i mean the coolmaster case |
17:20 | <monkeyBox> | oh.. haven't tried the coolermaster case... |
17:20 | <lmatter> | monkeyBox: how do you like the 3688? |
17:20 | <tdb30_> | I just want a little more slots for adding additional tuners possible. |
17:21 | <monkeyBox> | hi lmatter :) yeah I like it.. the case fan is louder than I expected, though I may be able to just not use it since I have no drives... |
17:21 | <monkeyBox> | but it's dead-sexy.. |
17:22 | <lmatter> | monkeyBox: Yeah, it looks nice in the photos. The fans that came with my 2688 suck. I had to replace them. |
17:22 | <lmatter> | monkeyBox: I've heard that morex fans are not good. |
17:22 | <monkeyBox> | yeah, maybe I'll replace mine too... |
17:22 | <monkeyBox> | lmatter: do you know much about the 6-ch sound on the EPIA-M board?? can you output to a spdif surround sound system? |
17:24 | <lmatter> | monkeyBox: We should prolly take this over to #epia |
17:24 | <lmatter> | monkeyBox: But I heard that you can get spdif working with alsa. I just use cheap headphones :-0 |
17:26 | <monkeyBox> | heh.. cool.. didn't know #epia existed :-\xDE |
17:28 | <Chutt> | just use one of the via supported distributions for now, if you want to use the hardware decoder. |
17:29 | <lmatter> | Chutt: Any significant changes for CLE266 after sep 5th? |
17:29 | <Chutt> | nope |
17:29 | <lmatter> | Chutt: I grabbed CVS after your "Scatch That" announcement. |
17:29 | <Chutt> | works pretty well |
17:30 | <Chutt> | i may have sped up the osd slightly |
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17:30 | <tmk> | sup chutt |
17:30 | <Chutt> | hey |
17:30 | <lmatter> | Chutt: ok, thanks. I'm getting lots of screen corruption. |
17:30 | <Chutt> | what's it look like? |
17:31 | <lmatter> | Chutt: mostly grey flickering. I could kinda see the channel logo flashing around the screen. Some green on the bottom. |
17:31 | <Chutt> | no video? |
17:32 | <tmk> | are you watching scrambled cable? :P |
17:33 | <monkeyBox> | hehe.. spanktravision |
17:33 | <lmatter> | Heh, yeah, kinda reminded me of that:-) Like the first scene in American Pie. |
17:33 | <monkeyBox> | haha... sock.. |
17:33 | <Chutt> | does normal xv output work? |
17:34 | <lmatter> | Chutt: you mean if I don't compile with hwslice? |
17:34 | <Chutt> | yeah |
17:35 | <lmatter> | dunno. I'll try tonight. I just got the driver this morning. Kinda slammed it together before work. |
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17:35 | <Chutt> | i got really bad video corruption when i tried it with the via v4l kernel patch that doesn't work |
17:37 | <tmk> | heh |
17:38 | <lmatter> | Which one does not work (is there a version number)? |
17:39 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
17:39 | <Chutt> | i'd just get the vexp stuff working first, before going on to mythtv |
17:40 | <tmk> | monkeybox: how much was the 3688 |
17:40 | <lmatter> | Chutt: yeah. I started working on that this morning. Kind of a pain as I have to "cross compile" for minimyth |
17:41 | <Chutt> | i didn't buy one of those cases because i didn't want to pay shittons of money for a laptop dvd drive =) |
17:41 | <tmk> | err nevermind, doesn't have a full-height pci slot |
17:41 | <tmk> | ack they dont take standard drives? |
17:41 | <lmatter> | who needs a harddrive :-) |
17:41 | <tmk> | i don't |
17:41 | <tmk> | but i do need a pci slot |
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17:42 | <Chutt> | you need a _bigass_ pci slot, too, for the -350 =) |
17:47 | <tdb30_> | I thought the prv-350 wasn't fully supported in linux yet |
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17:51 | <tmk> | heh |
17:51 | <tmk> | it is |
17:51 | <tmk> | 80% supported i suppose |
17:51 | <tmk> | tv-out works |
17:51 | <tmk> | just the osd stuff is still broken |
17:51 | <tdb30_> | osd? |
17:52 | <tmk> | onscreen display |
17:52 | <tmk> | Chutt: you see that half-height card some guy posted to the ivtv list? |
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17:52 | <tmk> | looks neat |
17:52 | <tmk> | i emailed the mfgr to see if i could get specs |
17:52 | <tmk> | and maybe a sample ;) |
17:52 | <monkeyBox> | half-height card? |
17:53 | <tmk> | yeah half-height pci card based on the conexant chip |
17:53 | <tmk> | aka pvr250-rev2 |
17:55 | <Chutt> | yeah |
17:55 | <monkeyBox> | tmk what date was that msg posted? |
17:56 | <monkeyBox> | or rather the subj.. |
17:58 | <monkeyBox> | nm found it |
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18:13 | <tmk> | anyone have opinions on these:http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=11-180-018-01.jpg/11-180-018-02.jpg/11-180-018-03.jpg/11-180-018-05.jpg/11-180-018-06.jpg/11-180-018-04.jpg/11-180-018-07.jpg |
18:14 | <SmellyCat> | ugly? |
18:15 | <SmellyCat> | where are the drive bays? |
18:17 | <tmk> | just one, in the front |
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18:21 | <SmellyCat> | Its expensive - but my favorite looking case is: http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/Cases/ht200.asp |
18:26 | <tdb30_> | is that an lcd on the front? |
18:26 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | anyone any good with stack traces? |
18:28 | <SmellyCat> | Yes, a VFD display - its included |
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18:43 | | * SmellyCat is back |
18:43 | | * SmellyCat is back |
18:43 | | * SmellyCat is away: dinner |
18:44 | <tmk> | that's a big honkin case |
18:45 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | in the channel table of the database, what is freqid, the channel freqency number, ie 22-69, or the frequency in hz? |
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19:03 | <mattfelsen> | does anyone have any suggested universal ir receivers? |
19:03 | <mattfelsen> | should i go for an irman? |
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19:10 | <tdb30_> | pick up a soldering iron and build your own :) |
19:11 | <mattfelsen> | eh |
19:12 | <tdb30_> | its not that hard. There are schematics at www.lirc.org |
19:12 | <tdb30_> | If you look on that site you may find links to someone selling them |
19:12 | <tdb30_> | Anyone know how well the all in wonder cards are supported? I was thinking of maybe getting one. |
19:23 | <mattfelsen> | they're like $30 |
19:23 | <mattfelsen> | ... |
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20:04 | <tmk> | i think the aiw cards have issues |
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20:04 | <steelep> | they work fine for output |
20:05 | <steelep> | I have on in my system |
20:05 | <steelep> | can't capture though |
20:05 | <tmk> | i'd call that 'issues' :) |
20:06 | <steelep> | you bet, but I don't care about analog capture anyway :) |
20:07 | <Chutt> | http://www.periapsis.org/bookcase/ |
20:07 | <Chutt> | yay, someone's started a book db program |
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20:36 | <ben_> | anyone here using an epia board for capture? |
20:36 | <ben_> | im thinking mjpeg. |
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20:41 | <tmk> | they never stay long enough |
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20:50 | <bbeattie> | thor: ?? |
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20:53 | <ChamPro> | hi all |
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20:59 | <ChamPro> | when anyone has a chance I just have a question about installing MythTV (with most of the bells and whistles) with RPMs in Mandrake |
21:03 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | just ask away, you might not get a response straight away |
21:03 | <ChamPro> | okay... |
21:03 | <ChamPro> | I'm still relatively new to Linux and the whole RPM thing |
21:04 | <ChamPro> | I have all the packages I think I need for MythTV downloaded and I wasn't sure the best way to install them |
21:04 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | which version of mandrake? |
21:04 | <ChamPro> | I tried adding the downloads folder to Mandrake's software manager.....9.1 |
21:05 | <ChamPro> | and that worked, but I still got a lot of dependency errors |
21:05 | <ChamPro> | a lot of unexpected dependencies |
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21:06 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | can you give an example of the dependencies? |
21:06 | <ChamPro> | some PERL ones and ....I guess I should try it again and get more specifics.... |
21:07 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | there are some PERL packages required for some of the software that mythtv uses |
21:07 | <ChamPro> | I downloaded everything off of thac's site |
21:07 | <ChamPro> | http://rpm.nyvalls.se/graphics9.1.html everything except the SRC packages |
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21:09 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | when you say there are a *lot* of unexpected dependencies, how many is a lot? |
21:09 | <ChamPro> | 12 or 15 |
21:09 | <ChamPro> | and my update source didn't have them |
21:10 | <ChamPro> | and Mandrake didn't request them either |
21:11 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | i would get a list tbh, and then pop back to see if they are unusual |
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21:11 | <ChamProX> | I'll try it again them |
21:11 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | as 12 - 15 rpm dependencies doesnt sound massive |
21:11 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | i remember i had to get some wiered perl dependencies when i built |
21:11 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | but i am using rh, not mandrake |
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21:13 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | i think, in the end, i needed most of these packages, so dont be surprise if your asked for any of these |
21:13 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | http://atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de/dist/rh9/ |
21:13 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | but they are rh9 ones |
21:16 | <ChamProX> | divxdecore and divxencore are 2 that it requests |
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21:17 | <tmk> | chutt: will you have a few minutes to spare tonight? |
21:19 | <ChamProX> | libdivxdecore.so.0 and libdivxencore.so.0 to be exact |
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21:30 | <ChamProX> | trying to change my sources in urpmi....that might help |
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21:46 | <ChamProNix> | putting the PLF as a source seems okay...installing all those crazy packages now |
21:46 | <ChamProNix> | win32-codecs-1.4-2plf.i586.rpm hmmmm |
21:46 | <ChamProNix> | big package |
21:54 | <ChamProNix> | transcode is a huge package too |
21:58 | <ChamProNix> | DARN IT....libcdaudio1, libcdaudio.so.1, xmltv, mpich, mpicc, mpic++, mpif77, libmpich.so.1.0, and libquicktime.so.0 |
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21:59 | <bbeattie> | thor: around? |
22:00 | <bbeattie> | *is pretty sure he is* |
22:01 | <bbeattie> | thor: I'm having problems getting AC3 audio after I've riped a dvd. Basically what I see is I rip with ac3, and when I play it through xine, I only get pro logic, not the digital stream, and idea why? (DVD playback in xine with ac3/dd/dts works. |
22:04 | <bbeattie> | thor: ahh, it's working, but it's DD, not DTS.. odd. |
22:04 | <bbeattie> | the dvd has DD and DTS, but I selected the DTS track... any idea on if you can stat a file for DD vs DTS in it? |
22:05 | <tmk> | thor isn't in the channel |
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22:06 | <bbeattie> | should I not msg him then? |
22:06 | <tmk> | well, you shouldn't expect a response :) |
22:15 | <bbeattie> | wrong thor :) |
22:15 | <bbeattie> | imposter.. |
22:16 | <bbeattie> | .. has anyone done dvdriping and ac3 encoding at that? |
22:16 | <tmk> | hmm the fb crashes fast :) |
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22:43 | <TheAsp> | Couldn't find a matching decoder for: /data2/mythtv/1039_20030918220000_20030918223000.nuv |
22:45 | <TheAsp> | anyway i can view that? |
22:46 | <tmk> | if you convert it |
22:47 | <tmk> | mailing list archives will tell you all you need to know |
22:47 | <TheAsp> | what sorta date range? |
22:48 | <TheAsp> | oh, lonng time ago |
22:48 | <TheAsp> | weird |
22:49 | <TheAsp> | hmm |
22:49 | <TheAsp> | no reply ;P |
22:51 | <tmk> | look for nuvexport |
22:52 | <TheAsp> | so why cant i play that file? |
22:53 | <tmk> | it's in nuppelvideo format |
22:53 | <TheAsp> | well, why is it and none of my others? |
22:53 | <TheAsp> | :) |
22:53 | <TheAsp> | well, arnt they all in nupple? |
22:53 | <tmk> | sure |
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22:54 | <robbie> | anyone seen thor ? |
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22:55 | <TheAsp> | tmk: you do realize it is myth giving me that error, right? |
22:55 | <tmk> | nay |
22:55 | <tmk> | file's probably corrupt |
22:56 | <TheAsp> | shittay. |
22:56 | <tmk> | how big is it |
22:56 | <TheAsp> | 4.3g |
22:56 | <TheAsp> | should only be like 1 |
22:56 | | * tmk shrugs |
22:56 | <TheAsp> | this gives me alot of confidence in this build :) |
22:58 | <TheAsp> | ahwell |
22:58 | <TheAsp> | night |
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