| --- | Log | opened Fri Sep 19 00:00:31 2003 |
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| 00:26 | <overridex> | hey guys, i having this issue running setup: |
| 00:26 | <overridex> | QSqlDatabase warning: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded |
| 00:26 | <overridex> | Unable to connect to database! |
| 00:26 | <overridex> | No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| 00:27 | <overridex> | i have qt compiled with mysql support, the libqsqlmysql.so plugin exists but from strace it's never mentioned when running setup.... |
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| 00:41 | <claybo> | hey, does anyone here know how myth is running on the epia boards now with the latest cvs releases? |
| 00:49 | <Chutt> | try it and see. |
| 00:51 | <claybo> | i like your advice. |
| 00:51 | <claybo> | but i'd like to make sure my trials and money don't end up wasted. ;) |
| 00:51 | <Chutt> | i wouldn't buy one of those boards, as there's better alternatives out there |
| 00:52 | <claybo> | like what? i actually don't know much about that scene. |
| 00:52 | <Chutt> | people on the mailing lists like the asus pundit |
| 00:52 | <Chutt> | which you can put a real cpu in |
| 00:52 | <claybo> | i want something small and fanless. i was looking at something like the me-6000 board from via, but if there's better i'm all for that. |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | oh, you won't even be able to play back full-sized video with that. |
| 00:53 | <claybo> | wait, wha? |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | read a review or three :p |
| 00:53 | <claybo> | i thought i had. |
| 00:54 | <bline> | sup |
| 00:54 | <Chutt> | i wouldn't recommend anything less than the nehemiah m10k |
| 00:55 | <Chutt> | which is decidedly _not_ fanless |
| 00:56 | <claybo> | yeah. |
| 00:56 | <claybo> | how quiet can the pundit get to be? assuming it's using a "real cpu", then i'm guessing not too quiet. |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | check the mythtv list archives |
| 00:57 | <Chutt> | it's been discussed there quite a bit |
| 00:57 | <claybo> | ok. |
| 00:57 | <claybo> | thanks. |
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| 01:01 | <accurate> | I'm curious, I'm currently using a ntsc wintv tuner -- but say if my cable service went 100% digital, do they got tuner devices for the pc for things like that? |
| 01:01 | <_rkulagow> | no. you'll need to go analog out from your set top box. there aren't any digital cable tuner cards. |
| 01:02 | <_rkulagow> | chutt: docs sync please? |
| 01:02 | <overridex> | my digital cable box has an IR in on the back, could i get a serial cable that connects to that so that mythtv can change the channel on it? |
| 01:04 | <_rkulagow> | well, since we're not mind readers and don't live in your house, how are we to know what sort of STB you have? yes, mythtv can run an external channel changer, either a serial port or an IR blaster. the type you need depends on your STB. you should read the gossamer-thread archives and see what others have done. |
| 01:04 | <_rkulagow> | not all STBs that have serial ports have them enabled, or have the correct firmware. tell your cable company you're going to get a tivo. they understand that. |
| 01:05 | <overridex> | hehe, k |
| 01:05 | <_rkulagow> | but they might still say "no, use our PVR" |
| 01:05 | <overridex> | hopefully i can disable the hud/guide on the stb everytime i change a channel, or that'd be annoying |
| 01:05 | <_rkulagow> | that's why the archives (and avsforum.com) exist. google is your friend. |
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| 01:14 | <JonnyRo> | hello, i am having a problem getting myth to work on a remote machine |
| 01:14 | <JonnyRo> | does anyone here use myth on more than one machine? |
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| 01:52 | <JustinSan> | I'm using a bttv card, but all my recordings have thin black bars on the left and right side, anyone know how to fix this? |
| 01:52 | <bline> | overscan |
| 01:54 | <JustinSan> | yeah, not sure how to mess with bttv's overscan options |
| 01:54 | <reza_> | ok, my code is coming together |
| 01:55 | <reza_> | do you thin issac will have problems with overloading the externalChangercommand in the database? |
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| 01:55 | <reza_> | s/thin/think |
| 01:55 | <reza_> | JustinSan - it's a function of you video driver (output), not the bttv |
| 01:55 | <reza_> | one |
| 01:56 | <JustinSan> | my video output is fine, it's just that mythtv gets sent video with bars on the left and right |
| 01:57 | <JustinSan> | I cans ee them in xawtv as well |
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| 02:01 | <Chutt> | justinsan, ok, two people just told you the proper answer, and you ignored them both. |
| 02:01 | <Chutt> | good job! |
| 02:02 | <JustinSan> | I try. |
| 02:03 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, docs updated |
| 02:03 | <_rkulagow> | chutt: thanks. |
| 02:06 | <_rkulagow> | still showing 2.75, should be 2.78? |
| 02:06 | <Chutt> | it takes a few minutes for the webcache to update |
| 02:07 | <_rkulagow> | ah, never mind then. thanks. |
| 02:07 | <Chutt> | 5 or so |
| 02:07 | <Chutt> | i think |
| 02:07 | <Chutt> | cuts down on the cpu usage for all those crappy dynamic php pages |
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| 02:31 | <nomad> | mysql -p < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql works if I use the -p arguement so it uses a password, is it possible to prevent it from needing a password? Or can mythtv have a command to use this password, because "mythtv" command is saying "Could not connect to backend server", I guess this is because it needs the password? |
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| 02:41 | <o_cee> | standard password is found in the mysql.txt file |
| 02:41 | <o_cee> | should have been set with the mc.sql import i think |
| 02:41 | <o_cee> | rtm, it's all there |
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| 02:46 | <o_c> | hmm |
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| 02:49 | <nomad> | Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| 02:49 | <nomad> | audio volume set to '65535' |
| 02:49 | <nomad> | strange error flushing buffer ... |
| 02:49 | <nomad> | Couldn't load osdtheme: at /usr/share/mythtv/themes// |
| 02:49 | <nomad> | Unable to find font: |
| 02:49 | <nomad> | No OSD will be displayed. |
| 02:49 | <nomad> | Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| 02:49 | <nomad> | all I get is a black screen when typing mythtv |
| 02:49 | <nomad> | maybe it'll load in a few seconds |
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| 02:55 | <nomad> | nm, i got it to work |
| 02:56 | <josephk> | anyone use pvr250 with nvidia for tv out |
| 02:56 | <josephk> | ? |
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| 02:59 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | yup |
| 02:59 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | gf4mx440-tvo |
| 02:59 | <josephk> | do you use deinterlacing? |
| 03:00 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | not at the moment, as im only running a cheepy celleron |
| 03:00 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | by the end of the week, yes |
| 03:00 | <josephk> | so you lose field sync in playback right |
| 03:01 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | yup |
| 03:01 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | ironicaly, TV was the last thing i wanted mythtv for |
| 03:01 | <josephk> | need better deinterlacing though...the linear produces artifacts due to ghosting |
| 03:02 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | there is a ghosting issue on the pvr-250 somewhere in the faq, with some suggested changes |
| 03:02 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | you tried that? |
| 03:03 | <josephk> | I shouldn't say ghosting...motion blur is more like it |
| 03:03 | <josephk> | linear deinterlacing is bad at motion |
| 03:05 | <josephk> | I saw a post somewhere by the tvtime creator...he said he was working on applying the tvtime deinterlacing algorithms for use on pvr output |
| 03:05 | <josephk> | ...but I think that was from May, so who knows |
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| 03:07 | <nomad> | quick question, the feature list on mythtv.org mentions fully automatic commerical removal, is this enabled by default? Where can I enable it? |
| 03:12 | <josephk> | not by default...they are flagged by default |
| 03:14 | <nomad> | hmm |
| 03:14 | <nomad> | so mythtv has an option to remove commercials while recording? I don't see it |
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| 03:15 | <nomad> | im reading mythcommflag, i might find info on it |
| 03:16 | <josephk> | Well you can not play the commercials in recordings, and I think in mythtvsetup you can configure it to not record commercials...but it may only apply to transcoding |
| 03:16 | <nomad> | ok |
| 03:17 | <josephk> | the setting for just skipping in playback is the second page of options in TV Settings > Playback |
| 03:17 | <nomad> | thanks |
| 03:17 | <josephk> | the other I think is in General of mythtvsetup...probably 3rd page |
| 03:17 | <josephk> | no prob |
| 03:30 | <overridex> | anyone here running mythtv on gentoo? |
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| 03:48 | <o_cee> | yes |
| 03:48 | <o_cee> | on gentoo. me is leaving in 2 minutes, whatcha need overridex? |
| 03:49 | <overridex> | o_cee: just wondering if you ran into this problem, i have qt compiled with mysql support but it's still not finding the driving |
| 03:49 | <overridex> | driver* |
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| 03:49 | <overridex> | bash-2.05b$ mythsetup QSqlDatabase warning: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded |
| 03:49 | <overridex> | etc.... i won't flood the channel |
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| 03:50 | <o_cee> | no, haven't had any problems with that. just added mysql into use and recompiled |
| 03:50 | <o_cee> | sorry |
| 03:50 | <overridex> | o_cee: k |
| 03:50 | <overridex> | o_cee: could you ls /usr/qt/3/plugins/sqldrivers/ |
| 03:50 | <overridex> | ? |
| 03:50 | <overridex> | all i have there is libqsqlmysql.so |
| 03:50 | <o_cee> | me too |
| 03:51 | | * o_cee leaves. later, leave a priv message and email if you want me to check more things |
| 03:51 | <accurate> | Ok, playback settings was the only thing I found that had anything to do with commercial skipping methods, I assume this will also prevent commercials from being recorded as well. Sorry if I'm missing anything said earlier. |
| 03:51 | <lmatter> | overridex, try doing ldd on the plugin and make sure you have what it needs. |
| 03:51 | <accurate> | Tv show will record in 9 minutes, hope this works |
| 03:51 | <lmatter> | That caused me some probs with minimyth. |
| 03:52 | <overridex> | lmatter: hmmm yep that seems ok, only error it has is i don't have exe perms for it, but i'm not sure that's needed for that? |
| 03:53 | <lmatter> | overridex, well you could try strace on mythfrontend and see if anything obvious shows up. |
| 03:53 | <overridex> | lmatter: i'm still trying to run the setup program..... i tried strace on it and didn't find anything at all about that plugin's filename.... i was expecting it was looking in the wrong directory or something for it but it didn't mention it at all.... |
| 03:54 | <accurate> | any of you used the blank frame/scene change method? |
| 03:54 | <lmatter> | overridex, and you have /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.* |
| 03:54 | <overridex> | out of curiosity btw, i haven't used it yet - what does mythtv display if you have it skip commercials.... i mean what it if doesn't have that much of the show buffered to just continue over it? |
| 03:55 | <overridex> | lmatter: yep, /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.12 |
| 03:55 | <lmatter> | overridex, then I don't know. I don't use gentoo, sorry. |
| 03:55 | <overridex> | lmatter: thanks anyway |
| 03:56 | <lmatter> | overridex, commercial skipping works best after the show has been recorded as it runs a process to index their location |
| 03:56 | <overridex> | lmatter: ah ok, not so great on livetv? |
| 03:56 | <lmatter> | Haven't really tried it on live tv. I don't really do livetv. Mostly just watch recordings. |
| 03:57 | <overridex> | lmatter: ah ok |
| 03:57 | <lmatter> | Actually, I don't really watch TV that much. I just like to tinker with this stuff. |
| 03:57 | <phar0e> | you might get hooked!! |
| 03:57 | <accurate> | so the commercial skipping doesnt actually effect the recorded file itself? |
| 03:57 | <phar0e> | once you find out how much fun it is to record shows then not watch commercials... |
| 03:57 | <lmatter> | But the skipping is really nice for recorded shows. It even skips right to the start of a show when you select it, if it can. |
| 03:58 | <overridex> | lmatter: and does it miss any commercials? how accurate is it? |
| 03:58 | <overridex> | accurate: i read that you can have it ditch the commercials when you transcode the file |
| 03:59 | <accurate> | oh using mythtranscode I suppose |
| 03:59 | <overridex> | yeah |
| 03:59 | <lmatter> | overridex, seems pretty accurate, but not perfect. Seems to depend on the channel a bit. Works great on TLC |
| 03:59 | <overridex> | lmatter: i see |
| 03:59 | <lmatter> | Havne't tried transcode yet. |
| 04:00 | <accurate> | --honorcutlist or -l: Specifies whether to use the cutlist. |
| 04:00 | <phar0e> | can you configure it to only be activated with certain shows? |
| 04:00 | <overridex> | i wouldn't mind it missing a few commercials, as long as it didn't have any false positives and cut out part of the show :) |
| 04:00 | <lmatter> | phar0e, dunno, don't think so. There is a global setting in settings/playback |
| 04:01 | <lmatter> | overridex, I have seen it do a false positive. |
| 04:01 | <overridex> | i wonder what the heck is going on...... |
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| 04:03 | <lmatter> | I haven't played with it enough to get a good feel. It seems sensitive to the timing of when the recording starts. Like how many seconds of commercials there are before the show starts. |
| 04:03 | <lmatter> | But the sample size is small so don't take my word for it. |
| 04:04 | <lmatter> | Anyway, you leave autoskip off, and just hit a button on the remote when you see the start of a commercial. That should work pretty well. |
| 04:04 | <overridex> | well.... that all requires getting it working first :) |
| 04:05 | <lmatter> | yeah, good luck. It's loads of fun. |
| 04:05 | <overridex> | hehe i bet |
| 04:05 | <overridex> | i'm using tvtime right now with my tv tuner, have been for a while now.... figured i'd give mythtv a shot, been meaning to |
| 04:05 | <overridex> | by the way, have you tried freevo? any idea how it and mythtv compare? |
| 04:06 | <lmatter> | geeze. It's past 1 am here - how'd that happen. Gotta get some Z's. |
| 04:07 | <overridex> | hehe, g'night |
| 04:07 | <lmatter> | Tried freevo about a year ago, it wouldn't record then, haven't looked back. There mail threads on this in the archive. |
| 04:07 | <lmatter> | later... |
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| 04:24 | <overridex> | access("/var/tmp/portage/qt-3.2.1/image//usr/qt/3/plugins", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) <-- hmm, that could be a problem |
| 04:24 | <overridex> | mythtv should be looking in /usr/qt/3/plugins/ instead.... |
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| 05:17 | <o_cee> | rtm, look at your qtdir |
| 05:17 | <o_cee> | do "set" |
| 05:18 | <o_cee> | set | grep QTDIR |
| 05:19 | <o_cee> | overridex: wake up |
| 05:19 | <overridex> | QTDIR=/usr/qt/3 |
| 05:19 | <overridex> | so that's not the prob, i had already looked |
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| 05:21 | <o_cee> | goodie, gentoo seems to install it different |
| 05:21 | <o_cee> | you're sure you've got set mysql? |
| 05:21 | <overridex> | o_cee: yeah, the gentoo guys think it's an ebuild bug |
| 05:21 | <overridex> | yep.... |
| 05:22 | <overridex> | what version of mythtv are you using o_cee? did you install with the ebuild? |
| 05:22 | <overridex> | i'm just compiling on my own to see if that's any better right now... |
| 05:22 | <accurate> | ok, I ran "mythcommflag --all" and it shows "Cow & Chicken . . . 3", so it has 3 breaks. Now, how can I use this data to cut out the commercials? |
| 05:22 | <o_cee> | okay |
| 05:22 | <o_cee> | play it, goto edit mode, press q to load it, press x to transcode it |
| 05:22 | <o_cee> | i think |
| 05:24 | <o_cee> | make sure you've setup the transcoding correctly and that you're using cvs.. don't think the transcoding is that nice in 0.11 |
| 05:24 | <overridex> | o_cee: are you using mythtv cvs? |
| 05:25 | <o_cee> | of course |
| 05:25 | <overridex> | o_cee: hehe, i have a feeling the ebuild is screwed then |
| 05:25 | <o_cee> | oh, never tried the myth ebuilds |
| 05:25 | <accurate> | thats what im using :/ |
| 05:26 | <o_cee> | blargh, new gentoo-sources.. not in the mood of recompiling the kernel+nvidia+alsa.. blergh |
| 05:28 | <accurate> | heh, kernel+nvidia+qce(webcam)+who knows whatelse here |
| 05:28 | <o_cee> | :P |
| 05:28 | <accurate> | i prefer to keep the kernel setup i got |
| 05:28 | <overridex> | so is the 0.11 mythtv that much older than current cvs? |
| 05:28 | <o_cee> | annoying to have things in emerge -pv world |
| 05:29 | <o_cee> | pretty much new stuff |
| 05:29 | <o_cee> | and fixes |
| 05:29 | <accurate> | something I found annoying about emerge is that theres no way for sure to know if removing a package breaks anything else |
| 05:29 | <o_cee> | but you could wait for 0.12 also :) |
| 05:29 | <accurate> | as far as I know ^ |
| 05:30 | <accurate> | i love the compatibility though, I got kde2 and kde3 apps on here |
| 05:42 | <accurate> | these .nuv files readable by mplayer or just mythtv |
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| 06:42 | <nomad> | What's the best way to view .nuv files outside mythtv? |
| 07:06 | <ay> | Has Imbd-support stopped working again (using latest cvs that worked a few days ago) |
| 07:07 | <ay> | I know that amazon changed it after 0.11. |
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| 08:00 | <moegreen> | ay: what isn't working with MythVideo? Searching or entering the #? |
| 08:00 | <ay> | Looking up imdb. |
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| 08:04 | <moegreen> | ay: do you have the source code handy? |
| 08:06 | <ay> | moegreen: Yes. |
| 08:06 | <ay> | Todays checkout. |
| 08:07 | <moegreen> | ay: ok, I'm rebuilding now, but it looks like they might have changed some capitalization and the parseData( function is case sensitive now. In videomanager.cpp look for VideoManager::parseData( |
| 08:07 | <moegreen> | about 7 lines down 'int start = data.find(beg) + beg.length();' change to: 'int start = data.find(beg, 0, false) + beg.length();' |
| 08:08 | <moegreen> | and 'int endint = data.find(end, start + 1);' to 'int endint = data.find(end, start + 1, false);' |
| 08:09 | <moegreen> | ay: the structure of the html that the video manager is looking for is still the same. But without seeing the error, this may be the problem |
| 08:10 | <moegreen> | that code starts on line 262, btw |
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| 08:18 | <moegreen> | brb |
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| 08:22 | <moegreen> | ay: did that work? |
| 08:24 | <ay> | endint = data.find(end, start + 1); <- Only finding that on line 345 |
| 08:24 | <o_cee> | anyone using mythnews? doesn't seem to load here or something.. the .so is where it should, but there's no menu entries? |
| 08:24 | <ay> | Mine says int endint = data.find(beg) + beg.length(); |
| 08:24 | <ay> | o_cee: You need to add it to the mainmenu.xml |
| 08:25 | <o_cee> | oh |
| 08:25 | <moegreen> | ay: 271 & 272 don' have it? I just checked out the latest - should be there |
| 08:25 | <ay> | int start was correct. |
| 08:25 | <moegreen> | ay: there are about three places that need to be changed |
| 08:26 | <ay> | moegreen: Do you have permission to commit to cvs? |
| 08:26 | <moegreen> | ay: search for 'data.find(' |
| 08:26 | <moegreen> | ay: yes |
| 08:26 | <ay> | commit :-) |
| 08:26 | <moegreen> | ay: my build is almost done, I'll test it and commit |
| 08:26 | <moegreen> | :P |
| 08:26 | <ay> | moegreen: Nice. |
| 08:27 | | * ay is a asambler and perlprogrammer and has problems parsing c++ code :-) |
| 08:27 | <o_cee> | while you're here moegreen.. you don't know anything about mythgallery do you? |
| 08:27 | <ay> | But I guess it's about time to start. Before I'm too old to learn. |
| 08:28 | <moegreen> | o_cee: not much, I haven't really messed with it |
| 08:28 | <moegreen> | o_cee: what are you having problems with? |
| 08:28 | <o_cee> | moegreen: because it doesn't use the transition value stored in the database.. very strange.. just seems like someone forgot it or something |
| 08:29 | <o_cee> | is the profile stuff safe to checkout now? been holding back since it was quite big |
| 08:31 | <moegreen> | o_cee: heh, not sure about that either. I'd assume so |
| 08:32 | <o_cee> | that's why i didn't have the mythnews menu files commits |
| 08:32 | <o_cee> | i'll dive into it i guess :) |
| 08:34 | <o_cee> | anyone who's made a (better) script to update and compile from cvs? |
| 08:34 | <o_cee> | mine isn't very beautiful :) |
| 08:42 | <o_cee> | In file included from recordingprofile.cpp:1: |
| 08:42 | <o_cee> | recordingprofile.h:8: warning: aggregate has a partly bracketed initializer |
| 08:43 | <o_cee> | just a warning |
| 08:43 | <o_cee> | but still |
| 08:59 | <overridex> | o_cee: downgrading QT in gentoo fixed the prob i had ;) |
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| 09:25 | <o_cee> | ooohkay, that didn't go well. all the profiles are fucked now.. hmm. what tables is it? profilegroups and codecparams? more? |
| 09:31 | <o_cee> | when doing the profile stuff, i can only select mpeg4 and rtjpeg, for a pvr250? |
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| 09:35 | <_rkulagow> | o_cee: yes, because it doesn't matter what you put in there, mythtv will only honor the dimensions you specify for the PVR-250 cards. |
| 09:35 | <o_cee> | hm, says profile 5 and 6.. |
| 09:36 | <o_cee> | dvb and transcode? hmm |
| 09:41 | <o_cee> | what should recordingprofiles.videcodec be then? |
| 09:42 | <o_cee> | 2003-09-19 15:41:52 Using profile 'Default' to record |
| 09:42 | <o_cee> | Segmentation fault |
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| 09:44 | <o_cee> | :\ |
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| 09:55 | <o_cee> | think i sorted it out.. deleted a bunch of tables :) |
| 09:56 | <o_cee> | hm, is_default.. it's "1" on all of them except the one that's working now.. odd |
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| 10:15 | <JonnyRo> | Myth always starts 5 minutes early and cuts off 5 minutes early |
| 10:15 | <JonnyRo> | is there a way to set a 5 minute offset |
| 10:15 | <JonnyRo> | in the times returned by xmltv? |
| 10:15 | <o_cee> | think so |
| 10:15 | <Chutt> | try setting your system clock right. |
| 10:16 | <JonnyRo> | I use NTP |
| 10:16 | <JonnyRo> | so believe me, it's right |
| 10:16 | <JonnyRo> | my freaking cable network is off |
| 10:16 | <Chutt> | then it shouldn't be starting early. |
| 10:16 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 10:16 | <Chutt> | then, you should have said that |
| 10:16 | <JonnyRo> | is there a way to specify an offset? |
| 10:16 | <JonnyRo> | because it does this with every show |
| 10:16 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 10:17 | <JonnyRo> | is it on mythsetup or mythfrontend |
| 10:18 | <Chutt> | mythfrontend. |
| 10:18 | <Chutt> | or setup |
| 10:18 | <Chutt> | there's two different ways to do it. |
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| 10:19 | <JonnyRo> | i know you can specify a certian amount of time after a recording |
| 10:19 | <JonnyRo> | to record |
| 10:19 | <Chutt> | and before. |
| 10:19 | <JonnyRo> | can you specify a negative value for before? |
| 10:20 | <Chutt> | why would you start late? |
| 10:20 | <o_cee> | JonnyRo: there's the same option for before, yes |
| 10:20 | <o_cee> | 240 seconds by default i think |
| 10:20 | <Chutt> | 0 by default. |
| 10:20 | <o_cee> | oh. |
| 10:21 | <o_cee> | what does the is_default in profilegroups mean? i can't get the new profiles right.. |
| 10:21 | <JonnyRo> | Thanks for your help |
| 10:22 | <Chutt> | o_cee, there's this really common unix tool called 'grep' |
| 10:22 | <Chutt> | it answers all such questions :p |
| 10:23 | <o_cee> | yeah. but i need this fixed now. but i'll do it your way. |
| 10:23 | <Chutt> | you don't need anything 'fixed now', if you're using CVS. |
| 10:24 | <o_cee> | didn't mean like that. meant that my girlfriend is home in an hour and if it's not working by then i'm dead :) |
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| 10:28 | <o_cee> | now if i goto the profile manager, and pres enter on the pvr250 i get to the same screen as "new profile" instead of the settings for that group.. |
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| 10:31 | <Chutt> | why did you make a new profile group? |
| 10:33 | <o_cee> | it's the standard one |
| 10:34 | <o_cee> | what tables should i drop to get a fresh start? |
| 10:35 | <Chutt> | you can't do that right now. |
| 10:35 | <Chutt> | as you won't have any way to populate the tables properly. |
| 10:35 | <o_cee> | okay. |
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| 10:55 | <KikoV> | has anybody tested the actual cle266 mpeg decoder? |
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| 11:01 | <o_cee> | Chutt: do i need to fix the profiles on the scheduled recordings now as well? |
| 11:02 | <o_cee> | heh, a bit hard to do in mythweb. :) |
| 11:07 | <Chutt> | mythweb doesn't do the new profile stuff yet. |
| 11:08 | <o_cee> | noticed :) |
| 11:09 | <o_cee> | the --update on mythfilldatabase, does it affect anything more than not touching the channelinfo? is it any different in the updating of the programinfo? |
| 11:10 | <_rkulagow> | chutt: getting connection timed out on cvs. |
| 11:11 | <Chutt> | it's unplugged right now |
| 11:11 | <Chutt> | doing a lot of stuff remotely to the office |
| 11:11 | <Chutt> | need to restart things now that the power is back on down there |
| 11:14 | <_rkulagow> | ok |
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| 12:50 | <o_cee> | my programlistning has been toally borked.. wonder if it's the --update option.. |
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| 13:11 | <o_cee> | very strange.. dropped the whole program table, re-run mythfill, and it's fucked once again. doesn't look like the original site |
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| 13:28 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | any stack trace experts in? |
| 13:28 | <_rkulagow> | chutt: i'm looking at the docs, getting rid of old shit. any reason to believe that the focus problems are still around now that myth has been re-designed? |
| 13:29 | <Chutt> | yeah, with anything that runs an external program |
| 13:30 | <_rkulagow> | ah. ok, i'll leave that in then. |
| 13:31 | <_rkulagow> | mythnews readme says to double-click on stuff to setup, implying mouse. won't that have the same issue that people who try to use the mouse in setup have? |
| 13:46 | <Chutt> | yes |
| 13:46 | <Chutt> | the mythnews stuff needs improvement |
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| 13:56 | <steelep> | i'd like to see them add a ticker |
| 13:57 | <steelep> | i'm talking about an alpha blended one that comes up in the osd, spits out the new news and disappears |
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| 14:22 | <term> | hm, nice is still causing oops's |
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| 14:49 | <nomad> | anyone know if mplayer 1.x can play mythtv video files, or know any other way besides the .90 patch |
| 14:51 | <jkolb> | Capture with a PVR? |
| 14:51 | <nomad> | :( |
| 14:51 | <jkolb> | Or transcode them. Although I have no idea how to use the transcoding capabilities. |
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| 14:56 | <lmatter> | Chutt, which via cle driver are you using. 40032 for RH9? |
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| 14:57 | <ccp> | Anyone happen to know off hand the up2date command to get the latest redhat sources so i can install some drivers |
| 14:59 | <Chutt> | lmatter, 40030, rh8, i haven't bothered to upgrade to 32 |
| 15:02 | <lmatter> | Chutt, thanks. |
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| 15:12 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | anyone know about european channel settings? and putting them in the channel db table? |
| 15:12 | <nomad> | "program finder" rocks |
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| 15:25 | <tmk> | doa: there's a perl module you can get from the ivtv cvs that has all the channel settings |
| 15:25 | <tmk> | frequencies etc |
| 15:25 | <tmk> | not sure if that's what you want |
| 15:25 | <nomad> | Does the --allkeys function using mythtranscode make videos readable outside mythtv? |
| 15:25 | <tmk> | if you're talking XMLtv, then i can't help |
| 15:26 | <nomad> | I also have mythvideo installed, no idea what it does |
| 15:27 | <nomad> | btw, this smaller transcoded file still isn't readable by mplayer, "MPEG: FATAL: EOF while searching for sequence header." |
| 15:29 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | tmk, im having problems getting mythtv to display anything, whereas, ptune.pl works |
| 15:29 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | so, i've got the freq table to allow me to convert from channel number to frequency |
| 15:29 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | and i know what channels i need |
| 15:29 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | what i dont know is: |
| 15:30 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | what do i need to put in each channel DB entry to give mythtv enough info to tune |
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| 15:39 | <nomad> | If I'm right, --allkeys is a similiar patch that was given to mplayer |
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| 15:39 | <nomad> | "I've incorporated Geoff's patch from earlier today, and added it to my |
| 15:39 | <nomad> | own patch I'm attaching here. |
| 15:39 | <nomad> | " |
| 15:40 | <nomad> | hmm.. even with --allkeys, mplayer still fails to read it |
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| 16:12 | <nomad> | Can mythtranscode be used to convert a .nuv into a readable file by mplayer? |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | err, no. |
| 16:17 | <nomad> | I'm thinking there is a way with ffmpeg |
| 16:17 | <Chutt> | right. |
| 16:17 | <Chutt> | not by itself, of course. |
| 16:17 | <nomad> | fifo or something |
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| 16:20 | <sfr> | just a heads-up: one shouldn't install unclutter on a system without mouse. the wm might get confused about which window to give keyboard focus. :) (noticed two seconds before blaming myth for that) |
| 16:25 | <nomad> | i give up, i'll just compile mplayer with a patch |
| 16:26 | <nomad> | otherwsie i'll be at this all day |
| 16:26 | <tmk> | hey chutt: question about your experience with the fb-osd stuff |
| 16:26 | <tmk> | does it crash when you change channels |
| 16:26 | <tmk> | or just after 3 or 4 seconds |
| 16:27 | <nomad> | Question: Does the commercial skip feature work on 'playback' of files inside mythtv |
| 16:27 | <nomad> | or just livetv |
| 16:27 | <Chutt> | tmk, randomly, all the time. |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | nomad, err, what would be the point if it didn't work during playback? |
| 16:28 | <tmk> | i wonder if it just crashes after a close/reopen of /dev/video16 |
| 16:28 | <nomad> | chutt, nm. wasn't sure it worked on a video I had recorded |
| 16:28 | <tmk> | are there any osd functions that don't do that sort of thing? |
| 16:28 | <tmk> | ie just put stuff on the screen |
| 16:29 | <Chutt> | hit i |
| 16:29 | <Chutt> | or pause |
| 16:29 | <nomad> | kewl |
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| 17:33 | <alkern> | howdy...does anyone else have mythbacked die when mythweb connects to "recorded programs" ? |
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| 19:56 | <tmk> | chutt: do you have a moment or two? |
| 20:01 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | he's not spoken since 9:29 |
| 20:01 | <tmk> | that's ok |
| 20:01 | <tmk> | he's a lurker |
| 20:01 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | little devil :) |
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| 20:09 | <nomad__> | when watching live tv, it slows down every 15 seconds.. any way to put less drain on the cpu? |
| 20:10 | <nomad__> | I have a 733mhz processor |
| 20:13 | <tmk> | lower resolution |
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| 20:16 | <henry_> | anyone use an ati radeon with video out? |
| 20:17 | <henry_> | sorry, late in the day, tv-out |
| 20:17 | <kja> | why? |
| 20:17 | <kja> | problems? |
| 20:18 | <henry_> | wondering if there is a better config that vesa (I can't seem to make tv-out work unless its vesa). |
| 20:18 | <henry_> | with vesa I don't get xv |
| 20:18 | | * tmk pokes chutt |
| 20:18 | <tmk> | i fixed the osd for you |
| 20:18 | <tmk> | :P |
| 20:18 | <tmk> | but now it doesn't play back |
| 20:19 | <jkolb> | That's an interesting interpretation of 'fixed.' |
| 20:19 | <tmk> | well |
| 20:19 | <tmk> | the osd hung the box before |
| 20:19 | <tmk> | but video played before it hung |
| 20:19 | <tmk> | for about 1/2 second |
| 20:19 | <tmk> | now nothing plays |
| 20:19 | <tmk> | but the osd works great |
| 20:19 | <tmk> | 'great' |
| 20:20 | <tmk> | i'll send a patch i guess |
| 20:20 | <kja> | henry: dunno, think there is some drivers around, tried googling for it? |
| 20:22 | <henry_> | yeah, I've found ati.2/drm/something, but was hoping hear somebody say "oh yeah that works great" before I went thru the motions. |
| 20:22 | <kja> | i've heard nothing but complaints from ati users.. |
| 20:23 | <henry_> | This system is at least a year old. I was thinking of getting a new shuttle sn41G2 for mythtv w/builting geforce2 |
| 20:24 | <kja> | same box in front of me, works great |
| 20:24 | <henry_> | not sure whether to stick with my dc10+ for video capture (since that is my other problem). |
| 20:24 | <henry_> | what do you use for capture? |
| 20:25 | <kja> | hauppauge nexus-s dvb card |
| 20:25 | <henry_> | and is the system fairly quiet? |
| 20:25 | <kja> | yea, no hd, nfsroot..exchanged the fan..yea, very quiet |
| 20:26 | <henry_> | heat sink/no fan on the cpu? |
| 20:26 | <nomad__> | lets see if I understand this correctly, with auto commerical flagging & skipping enabled, any recorded shows that I play later inside mythtv will have it's commercials skipped? |
| 20:27 | <kja> | henry: combined case/cpu fan, heat pipes, read more on their web |
| 20:27 | <henry_> | thanx kja |
| 20:27 | <kja> | np |
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| 20:50 | <nomad__> | commercial skip doesnt seem to work for playback of recorded shows. Maybe it's only for live tv? Sorry, it's just there so little written about it. |
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| 20:50 | <nomad__> | I think I may forget about commercial skip altogether, dunno. |
| 20:51 | <Chutt> | tmk, yo |
| 20:52 | <tmk> | chutt: nevermind |
| 20:52 | <tmk> | i didn't really fix it :) |
| 20:52 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 20:52 | <tmk> | turns out the osd works fine as long as it's not decoding |
| 20:52 | <Chutt> | something conflicting? |
| 20:52 | <tmk> | ie there was some buffer issue, so it didn't decode |
| 20:52 | <tmk> | but myth thought it was |
| 20:52 | <tmk> | yeah must be |
| 20:52 | <tmk> | i'm tyring a few things out now |
| 20:52 | <tmk> | might HAVE to double buffer |
| 20:58 | <Chutt> | well |
| 20:58 | <tmk> | hmm it seems much happier now |
| 20:58 | <Chutt> | whatever it takes.. |
| 20:58 | <tmk> | without writing to the active buffer |
| 20:58 | <tmk> | so hopefulyl double-bufferring will work |
| 20:58 | <Chutt> | cool. |
| 20:58 | <tmk> | though i did manage to segfault mythtv |
| 20:58 | <tmk> | heh |
| 20:59 | <tmk> | does only one thread write to the OSD? |
| 20:59 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 20:59 | <tmk> | ok good :) |
| 21:01 | <Chutt> | there, think i have this stop recording patch worked in |
| 21:01 | <Chutt> | i like getting patches that i decide to rewrite completely before applying |
| 21:03 | <tmk> | hehe |
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| 21:04 | <tmk> | chutt: something i've noticed.. with my remote control.. it skips 10 mins instead of 1 sometimes |
| 21:04 | <tmk> | it's sending "Right" to mythfrontend |
| 21:04 | <Chutt> | this just added this convenience class to wrap another class |
| 21:04 | <Chutt> | and i decided it was totally unnecessary |
| 21:04 | <tmk> | :) |
| 21:04 | <Chutt> | tmk, ah, i dunno |
| 21:04 | <Chutt> | never seen it do that before |
| 21:04 | <tmk> | it does it with the keyboard if i hold it down i think |
| 21:04 | <Chutt> | there _is_ a jump forward skip |
| 21:04 | <tmk> | might be a key-repeat thing |
| 21:04 | <tmk> | i'll check lircd |
| 21:10 | <Chutt> | someone just emailed me, wants to store the video files in mysql |
| 21:10 | <tmk> | hehe |
| 21:10 | <tmk> | grand |
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| 21:11 | <tmk> | chutt: the osd is the same size as the video screen right |
| 21:11 | <tmk> | ie 720x480 |
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| 21:14 | <vektor> | yeah, square pixels suck |
| 21:14 | <vektor> | down with squares |
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| 21:56 | <nomad__> | ok, just watched a show.. commercials skipped perfectly each time :) |
| 21:56 | <nomad__> | finnaly, now I can start adding shows to schedule |
| 21:56 | <nomad__> | finally^ |
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| 22:19 | <term> | sigh |
| 22:19 | <term> | hm |
| 22:19 | <term> | why does mythfilldatabase calling nice keep oopsing |
| 22:21 | <mdz> | heh, then you could have ALL communication through the db |
| 22:22 | <mdz> | just append to a blob for the live tv buffer... |
| 22:22 | <mdz> | term: buggy kernel |
| 22:22 | <term> | mdz: I figured, but there's no way to tell it to change the nice value, I guess. |
| 22:22 | <term> | hm |
| 22:22 | <mdz> | you can change it in the source |
| 22:22 | <term> | or maybe nice is getting confused and calling it |
| 22:22 | <term> | nod |
| 22:23 | <term> | I'm probably going to recompile it soon anyway, the buffering changes made recently probably fix one of the problems I've been seeing |
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| 23:01 | <Chutt> | term, i changed the nice level in cvs for you |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | back when you first mentioned it |
| 23:06 | <term> | odd |
| 23:06 | <term> | still crashes :( |
| 23:06 | <term> | unless it didn't make it into .11 |
| 23:06 | <term> | but I thought it did |
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| 23:23 | <nomad__> | I got Simpsons, King of the Hill, A-Team, Twilight Zone, mash, and a few other shows set to auto record.. this is the kewlest app |
| 23:23 | <nomad__> | heh |
| 23:23 | <CyberKnet> | one of these days I'll actually be able to buy the components to run it =) |
| 23:24 | <nomad__> | I've had my wintv card for many many years, just no real use for until now :) |
| 23:24 | <CyberKnet> | every time I get the money together to buy a new part, my car breaks down. |
| 23:24 | <CyberKnet> | heh |
| 23:24 | <nomad__> | ouch |
| 23:24 | <CyberKnet> | nah, it's all good. |
| 23:25 | <CyberKnet> | I mean, the car is much more important =) |
| 23:25 | <nomad__> | yes it is |
| 23:25 | <CyberKnet> | I don't mind too much. It's a lot of fun just to be involved and watch something like this grow. |
| 23:25 | <nomad__> | You do programming? |
| 23:25 | <CyberKnet> | And, as an added bonus, by time I get all my gear, the decoder on the PVR-350 might be supported! |
| 23:26 | <CyberKnet> | not for Myth yet |
| 23:26 | <nomad__> | I'm just an ignorant end user who can only make software run, i can't even write hello world |
| 23:26 | <nomad__> | heh |
| 23:26 | <CyberKnet> | I can write hello world in a multitude of languages. |
| 23:26 | <nomad__> | kewl |
| 23:26 | <CyberKnet> | the least of which would be assembler =) |
| 23:26 | <CyberKnet> | the easiest being Visual basic. heh. click, type, click done =) |
| 23:27 | <CyberKnet> | the typing constituting "Hello World" =P" |
| 23:27 | <nomad__> | I doubt from what I've seen in commercial tv capture apps, most of which can not compare to mythtv |
| 23:27 | <nomad__> | so many options |
| 23:27 | <CyberKnet> | Myth is outstanding. Isaac deserves several standing ovations. |
| 23:27 | <nomad__> | yes |
| 23:28 | <CyberKnet> | It outperforms and outfeatures several pay-for PVR programs. |
| 23:28 | <CyberKnet> | but it seems like a lot of people have great difficulty getting it working in the first place. |
| 23:28 | <nomad__> | I think mysql is the worst part about it |
| 23:29 | <nomad__> | i didnt even know what it was until I started using mythtv yesterday |
| 23:29 | <CyberKnet> | you didn't know what mysql was? |
| 23:29 | <nomad__> | yeah I heard from a friend a while back it was something about databases, that is all |
| 23:29 | <nomad__> | but other than that, no |
| 23:29 | <CyberKnet> | what gear do you run? |
| 23:30 | <nomad__> | 733mhz intel, Gentoo |
| 23:30 | <CyberKnet> | I'm thinking of running a 2ghz celeron pundit. That pundit case just looks so nice in the pictures... |
| 23:31 | <nomad__> | if I ever goto a new system, I'll just switch most of my existing hardware to a barebones setup |
| 23:31 | <nomad__> | use all my exisiting agp/pci devices, etc |
| 23:32 | <CyberKnet> | yeah. The only old gear I have is an old PIII 450, and I think that wouldn't cut it for DVD playback, which is why I decided to buy new stuff. |
| 23:32 | <nomad__> | I'm hoping this comp last another 2-3 yrs |
| 23:32 | <nomad__> | but im doubtful |
| 23:32 | <CyberKnet> | so far I have actually managed to buy the 802.11g stuff and a nice I/R keyboard (LiteOn Airboard). |
| 23:33 | <CyberKnet> | I got all excited when I saw someone post on the list today about a pundit for $140 ... heh |
| 23:33 | <nomad__> | :) |
| 23:33 | <CyberKnet> | Had the check-card out and all, searched google for an hour or so looking for where they might have gotten it... |
| 23:34 | <CyberKnet> | the myth users list traffic has increased quite a bit since I joined a few months ago. |
| 23:34 | <nomad__> | kewl. |
| 23:34 | <CyberKnet> | about 80-100 messages a day now if I guage correctly... |
| 23:34 | <nomad__> | I usally monitor how many users are on Gnomemeeting at certain times of the day |
| 23:35 | <nomad__> | 150-200 |
| 23:35 | <CyberKnet> | gnomemeeting? |
| 23:35 | <nomad__> | yeah, its a netmeeting clone |
| 23:35 | <nomad__> | I use it to webcam/mic to friends |
| 23:35 | <nomad__> | with my logictech quickcam |
| 23:36 | <nomad__> | I got a good deal on it too, $30 |
| 23:36 | <CyberKnet> | and there are 150-200 myth users on gnomemeeting? |
| 23:36 | <nomad__> | no no, just normal users |
| 23:37 | <CyberKnet> | aha =) |
| 23:37 | <nomad__> | I'm just saying I try and keep uptodate with linux app use |
| 23:37 | <CyberKnet> | I was gonna say ... I had no idea gnomemeeting was that popular with Myth users! |
| 23:37 | <nomad__> | gentoo has some sort of usage app, but i dont have mine installed |
| 23:37 | <CyberKnet> | I used to run linux as my home desktop, but work and my wife's college intervened, and so now I'm back on the Windows chain. |
| 23:38 | <CyberKnet> | although I have a nice 120gb drive coming soon, so dual boot is sounding attractive =) |
| 23:38 | <nomad__> | everytime I install anything on windows, I feel like I'm breaking the system |
| 23:38 | <nomad__> | its a sence of insecurity |
| 23:39 | <CyberKnet> | yeah. I justify it by switching everything possible to open source software... |
| 23:39 | <nomad__> | :) |
| 23:39 | <CyberKnet> | I like mozilla a lot more than ie, and OOo is almost as good as MS Office |
| 23:39 | <nomad__> | yep |
| 23:39 | <CyberKnet> | And miranda makes a great convergance messenger. |
| 23:40 | <CyberKnet> | I'm thrilled with how well that one turned out. |
| 23:40 | <nomad__> | in Linux, I was a fan on amsn, but Kopete is my favorite now |
| 23:41 | <nomad__> | somebody must like my nickname, nomad exist, nomad_ exist, then here I am |
| 23:41 | <CyberKnet> | heh |
| 23:41 | <CyberKnet> | That's why I chose this one. |
| 23:41 | <nomad__> | yeah its unique |
| 23:42 | <nomad__> | I usally go by the nickname accurate, which nobody uses for some reason.. but its amazing how many people use the word 'accurate' |
| 23:42 | <nomad__> | so channels are always highlighted in xchat by people using the word |
| 23:42 | <CyberKnet> | hah |
| 23:42 | <CyberKnet> | =) |
| 23:42 | <CyberKnet> | nobody uses my name unless they're talking about/to me |
| 23:43 | <CyberKnet> | even the shortened form that I watch for (knet) is nigh on never used. |
| 23:43 | <nomad__> | yeah thats the best way, specially now that everyone is used to using tab key for autonick |
| 23:43 | <nomad__> | really doesnt matter how long it is |
| 23:43 | <CyberKnet> | yep. |
| 23:44 | <nomad__> | in a few minutes, I'll have had recorded 3 mash episodes back to back.. im gonna see if the autoskip feature worked on the commercials |
| 23:44 | <CyberKnet> | neat. |
| 23:44 | <nomad__> | yeah it worked with Bewitched |
| 23:44 | <CyberKnet> | I'm reading up on the new BTX format. |
| 23:44 | <nomad__> | whats that |
| 23:45 | <CyberKnet> | some new form factor like ATX |
| 23:45 | <nomad__> | kewl |
| 23:45 | <CyberKnet> | supposed to be much better for cooling |
| 23:45 | <CyberKnet> | http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1876&p=2 |
| 23:46 | <nomad__> | I saw a pic where they put a mobo under liquid nitrogen |
| 23:46 | <nomad__> | heh |
| 23:46 | <CyberKnet> | heh. |
| 23:46 | <nomad__> | looking |
| 23:47 | <nomad__> | wow, its amazing how they can examine cooling like that, must use thermal watchamacallem's |
| 23:48 | <nomad__> | people use them to detect bad wiring and stuff |
| 23:48 | <nomad__> | its kinda neat to see |
| 23:49 | <CyberKnet> | yeah |
| 23:49 | <CyberKnet> | I'd like to be able to identify hotspots in my pc like that |
| 23:49 | <CyberKnet> | instead of the "damn that's hot" method =P" |
| 23:50 | <nomad__> | yeah, thats sorta like the "dont taste" rule in science |
| 23:50 | <nomad__> | hmm.. acidic or a base, :) |
| 23:50 | <CyberKnet> | hehehe |
| 23:52 | <CyberKnet> | why are people in such a hurry to get rid of ps/2 and parallel ports from motherboards? |
| 23:52 | <CyberKnet> | I've not had a particularly great time with USB. |
| 23:53 | <nomad__> | I can understand why discontinuing parallel(maybe), but ps2 must stay |
| 23:53 | <nomad__> | they never include usb cables with any products I buy |
| 23:53 | <CyberKnet> | My mouse and my keyboard are both USB, and I have put converters on both to ps2 ports because the USB functionality was just not as reliable |
| 23:53 | <nomad__> | maybe killing off ps2 will increase usb sales |
| 23:54 | <CyberKnet> | my printer and my scanner also are USB, but if I try and put everything on one USB channel, god help me |
| 23:54 | <CyberKnet> | even if I'm not actually using the printer and the scanner at that moment in time. |
| 23:54 | <CyberKnet> | (and that is *with* a powered USB hub) |
| 23:54 | <nomad__> | I use my gameport for my gravis gamepad(though I think modern gravis is usb), webcam is usb, my hp cam is usb.. they all work |
| 23:55 | <nomad__> | but both mouse and keyboard are ps2 |
| 23:55 | <nomad__> | i want one of them infrared mouses |
| 23:55 | <CyberKnet> | infrared? or laser? |
| 23:56 | <nomad__> | I thought it was laser, but someone told me infrared.. im not familiar with these new gadgets |
| 23:56 | <nomad__> | only seen one once |
| 23:56 | <CyberKnet> | The optical ones? |
| 23:56 | <nomad__> | yeah |
| 23:56 | <CyberKnet> | that have no mouse ball |
| 23:56 | <nomad__> | yep |
| 23:56 | <CyberKnet> | where do you live that you've only seen one once? =) |
| 23:57 | <CyberKnet> | BTW, if you want the sweetest optical mouse: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm?page=products/details&CRID=3&CONTENTID=4999&countryid=19&languageid=1 |
| 23:57 | <nomad__> | america, lol. One time I seen them was a friends laptop used one, and when I goto the store -- i never look for mouse |
| 23:57 | <nomad__> | looking |
| 23:58 | <nomad__> | wow |
| 23:58 | <CyberKnet> | no kidding |
| 23:58 | <CyberKnet> | I lust after that mouse =) |
| 23:58 | <nomad__> | yep |
| 23:59 | <nomad__> | areo dynamic |
| 23:59 | <CyberKnet> | I was about to buy it, but then I got my new 802.11g wireless router + NIC instead =) |
| 23:59 | <CyberKnet> | which is also very very nice. |
| 23:59 | <nomad__> | yeah gotta have good net stuff |
| 23:59 | <nomad__> | I lost a 16port networking switch |
| 23:59 | <nomad__> | can't believe it, |
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