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00:26<overridex>hey guys, i having this issue running setup:
00:26<overridex>QSqlDatabase warning: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded
00:26<overridex>Unable to connect to database!
00:26<overridex>No error type from QSqlError? Strange...
00:27<overridex>i have qt compiled with mysql support, the plugin exists but from strace it's never mentioned when running setup....
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00:41<claybo>hey, does anyone here know how myth is running on the epia boards now with the latest cvs releases?
00:49<Chutt>try it and see.
00:51<claybo>i like your advice.
00:51<claybo>but i'd like to make sure my trials and money don't end up wasted. ;)
00:51<Chutt>i wouldn't buy one of those boards, as there's better alternatives out there
00:52<claybo>like what? i actually don't know much about that scene.
00:52<Chutt>people on the mailing lists like the asus pundit
00:52<Chutt>which you can put a real cpu in
00:52<claybo>i want something small and fanless. i was looking at something like the me-6000 board from via, but if there's better i'm all for that.
00:53<Chutt>oh, you won't even be able to play back full-sized video with that.
00:53<claybo>wait, wha?
00:53<Chutt>read a review or three :p
00:53<claybo>i thought i had.
00:54<Chutt>i wouldn't recommend anything less than the nehemiah m10k
00:55<Chutt>which is decidedly _not_ fanless
00:56<claybo>how quiet can the pundit get to be? assuming it's using a "real cpu", then i'm guessing not too quiet.
00:56<Chutt>check the mythtv list archives
00:57<Chutt>it's been discussed there quite a bit
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01:01<accurate>I'm curious, I'm currently using a ntsc wintv tuner -- but say if my cable service went 100% digital, do they got tuner devices for the pc for things like that?
01:01<_rkulagow>no. you'll need to go analog out from your set top box. there aren't any digital cable tuner cards.
01:02<_rkulagow>chutt: docs sync please?
01:02<overridex>my digital cable box has an IR in on the back, could i get a serial cable that connects to that so that mythtv can change the channel on it?
01:04<_rkulagow>well, since we're not mind readers and don't live in your house, how are we to know what sort of STB you have? yes, mythtv can run an external channel changer, either a serial port or an IR blaster. the type you need depends on your STB. you should read the gossamer-thread archives and see what others have done.
01:04<_rkulagow>not all STBs that have serial ports have them enabled, or have the correct firmware. tell your cable company you're going to get a tivo. they understand that.
01:05<overridex>hehe, k
01:05<_rkulagow>but they might still say "no, use our PVR"
01:05<overridex>hopefully i can disable the hud/guide on the stb everytime i change a channel, or that'd be annoying
01:05<_rkulagow>that's why the archives (and exist. google is your friend.
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01:14<JonnyRo>hello, i am having a problem getting myth to work on a remote machine
01:14<JonnyRo>does anyone here use myth on more than one machine?
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01:52<JustinSan>I'm using a bttv card, but all my recordings have thin black bars on the left and right side, anyone know how to fix this?
01:54<JustinSan>yeah, not sure how to mess with bttv's overscan options
01:54<reza_>ok, my code is coming together
01:55<reza_>do you thin issac will have problems with overloading the externalChangercommand in the database?
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01:55<reza_>JustinSan - it's a function of you video driver (output), not the bttv
01:56<JustinSan>my video output is fine, it's just that mythtv gets sent video with bars on the left and right
01:57<JustinSan>I cans ee them in xawtv as well
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02:01<Chutt>justinsan, ok, two people just told you the proper answer, and you ignored them both.
02:01<Chutt>good job!
02:02<JustinSan>I try.
02:03<Chutt>rkulagow, docs updated
02:03<_rkulagow>chutt: thanks.
02:06<_rkulagow>still showing 2.75, should be 2.78?
02:06<Chutt>it takes a few minutes for the webcache to update
02:07<_rkulagow>ah, never mind then. thanks.
02:07<Chutt>5 or so
02:07<Chutt>i think
02:07<Chutt>cuts down on the cpu usage for all those crappy dynamic php pages
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02:31<nomad>mysql -p < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql works if I use the -p arguement so it uses a password, is it possible to prevent it from needing a password? Or can mythtv have a command to use this password, because "mythtv" command is saying "Could not connect to backend server", I guess this is because it needs the password?
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02:41<o_cee>standard password is found in the mysql.txt file
02:41<o_cee>should have been set with the mc.sql import i think
02:41<o_cee>rtm, it's all there
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02:49<nomad>Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
02:49<nomad>audio volume set to '65535'
02:49<nomad>strange error flushing buffer ...
02:49<nomad>Couldn't load osdtheme: at /usr/share/mythtv/themes//
02:49<nomad>Unable to find font:
02:49<nomad>No OSD will be displayed.
02:49<nomad>Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
02:49<nomad>all I get is a black screen when typing mythtv
02:49<nomad>maybe it'll load in a few seconds
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02:55<nomad>nm, i got it to work
02:56<josephk>anyone use pvr250 with nvidia for tv out
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02:59<josephk>do you use deinterlacing?
03:00<[DOA]Tarkie>not at the moment, as im only running a cheepy celleron
03:00<[DOA]Tarkie>by the end of the week, yes
03:00<josephk>so you lose field sync in playback right
03:01<[DOA]Tarkie>ironicaly, TV was the last thing i wanted mythtv for
03:01<josephk>need better deinterlacing though...the linear produces artifacts due to ghosting
03:02<[DOA]Tarkie>there is a ghosting issue on the pvr-250 somewhere in the faq, with some suggested changes
03:02<[DOA]Tarkie>you tried that?
03:03<josephk>I shouldn't say ghosting...motion blur is more like it
03:03<josephk>linear deinterlacing is bad at motion
03:05<josephk>I saw a post somewhere by the tvtime creator...he said he was working on applying the tvtime deinterlacing algorithms for use on pvr output
03:05<josephk>...but I think that was from May, so who knows
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03:07<nomad>quick question, the feature list on mentions fully automatic commerical removal, is this enabled by default? Where can I enable it?
03:12<josephk>not by default...they are flagged by default
03:14<nomad>so mythtv has an option to remove commercials while recording? I don't see it
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03:15<nomad>im reading mythcommflag, i might find info on it
03:16<josephk>Well you can not play the commercials in recordings, and I think in mythtvsetup you can configure it to not record commercials...but it may only apply to transcoding
03:17<josephk>the setting for just skipping in playback is the second page of options in TV Settings > Playback
03:17<josephk>the other I think is in General of mythtvsetup...probably 3rd page
03:17<josephk>no prob
03:30<overridex>anyone here running mythtv on gentoo?
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03:48<o_cee>on gentoo. me is leaving in 2 minutes, whatcha need overridex?
03:49<overridex>o_cee: just wondering if you ran into this problem, i have qt compiled with mysql support but it's still not finding the driving
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03:49<overridex>bash-2.05b$ mythsetup QSqlDatabase warning: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded
03:49<overridex>etc.... i won't flood the channel
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03:50<o_cee>no, haven't had any problems with that. just added mysql into use and recompiled
03:50<overridex>o_cee: k
03:50<overridex>o_cee: could you ls /usr/qt/3/plugins/sqldrivers/
03:50<overridex>all i have there is
03:50<o_cee>me too
03:51* o_cee leaves. later, leave a priv message and email if you want me to check more things
03:51<accurate>Ok, playback settings was the only thing I found that had anything to do with commercial skipping methods, I assume this will also prevent commercials from being recorded as well. Sorry if I'm missing anything said earlier.
03:51<lmatter>overridex, try doing ldd on the plugin and make sure you have what it needs.
03:51<accurate>Tv show will record in 9 minutes, hope this works
03:51<lmatter>That caused me some probs with minimyth.
03:52<overridex>lmatter: hmmm yep that seems ok, only error it has is i don't have exe perms for it, but i'm not sure that's needed for that?
03:53<lmatter>overridex, well you could try strace on mythfrontend and see if anything obvious shows up.
03:53<overridex>lmatter: i'm still trying to run the setup program..... i tried strace on it and didn't find anything at all about that plugin's filename.... i was expecting it was looking in the wrong directory or something for it but it didn't mention it at all....
03:54<accurate>any of you used the blank frame/scene change method?
03:54<lmatter>overridex, and you have /usr/lib/*
03:54<overridex>out of curiosity btw, i haven't used it yet - what does mythtv display if you have it skip commercials.... i mean what it if doesn't have that much of the show buffered to just continue over it?
03:55<overridex>lmatter: yep, /usr/lib/
03:55<lmatter>overridex, then I don't know. I don't use gentoo, sorry.
03:55<overridex>lmatter: thanks anyway
03:56<lmatter>overridex, commercial skipping works best after the show has been recorded as it runs a process to index their location
03:56<overridex>lmatter: ah ok, not so great on livetv?
03:56<lmatter>Haven't really tried it on live tv. I don't really do livetv. Mostly just watch recordings.
03:57<overridex>lmatter: ah ok
03:57<lmatter>Actually, I don't really watch TV that much. I just like to tinker with this stuff.
03:57<phar0e>you might get hooked!!
03:57<accurate>so the commercial skipping doesnt actually effect the recorded file itself?
03:57<phar0e>once you find out how much fun it is to record shows then not watch commercials...
03:57<lmatter>But the skipping is really nice for recorded shows. It even skips right to the start of a show when you select it, if it can.
03:58<overridex>lmatter: and does it miss any commercials? how accurate is it?
03:58<overridex>accurate: i read that you can have it ditch the commercials when you transcode the file
03:59<accurate>oh using mythtranscode I suppose
03:59<lmatter>overridex, seems pretty accurate, but not perfect. Seems to depend on the channel a bit. Works great on TLC
03:59<overridex>lmatter: i see
03:59<lmatter>Havne't tried transcode yet.
04:00<accurate> --honorcutlist or -l: Specifies whether to use the cutlist.
04:00<phar0e>can you configure it to only be activated with certain shows?
04:00<overridex>i wouldn't mind it missing a few commercials, as long as it didn't have any false positives and cut out part of the show :)
04:00<lmatter>phar0e, dunno, don't think so. There is a global setting in settings/playback
04:01<lmatter>overridex, I have seen it do a false positive.
04:01<overridex>i wonder what the heck is going on......
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04:03<lmatter>I haven't played with it enough to get a good feel. It seems sensitive to the timing of when the recording starts. Like how many seconds of commercials there are before the show starts.
04:03<lmatter>But the sample size is small so don't take my word for it.
04:04<lmatter>Anyway, you leave autoskip off, and just hit a button on the remote when you see the start of a commercial. That should work pretty well.
04:04<overridex>well.... that all requires getting it working first :)
04:05<lmatter>yeah, good luck. It's loads of fun.
04:05<overridex>hehe i bet
04:05<overridex>i'm using tvtime right now with my tv tuner, have been for a while now.... figured i'd give mythtv a shot, been meaning to
04:05<overridex>by the way, have you tried freevo? any idea how it and mythtv compare?
04:06<lmatter>geeze. It's past 1 am here - how'd that happen. Gotta get some Z's.
04:07<overridex>hehe, g'night
04:07<lmatter>Tried freevo about a year ago, it wouldn't record then, haven't looked back. There mail threads on this in the archive.
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04:24<overridex>access("/var/tmp/portage/qt-3.2.1/image//usr/qt/3/plugins", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) <-- hmm, that could be a problem
04:24<overridex>mythtv should be looking in /usr/qt/3/plugins/ instead....
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05:17<o_cee>rtm, look at your qtdir
05:17<o_cee>do "set"
05:18<o_cee>set | grep QTDIR
05:19<o_cee>overridex: wake up
05:19<overridex>so that's not the prob, i had already looked
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05:21<o_cee>goodie, gentoo seems to install it different
05:21<o_cee>you're sure you've got set mysql?
05:21<overridex>o_cee: yeah, the gentoo guys think it's an ebuild bug
05:22<overridex>what version of mythtv are you using o_cee? did you install with the ebuild?
05:22<overridex>i'm just compiling on my own to see if that's any better right now...
05:22<accurate>ok, I ran "mythcommflag --all" and it shows "Cow & Chicken . . . 3", so it has 3 breaks. Now, how can I use this data to cut out the commercials?
05:22<o_cee>play it, goto edit mode, press q to load it, press x to transcode it
05:22<o_cee>i think
05:24<o_cee>make sure you've setup the transcoding correctly and that you're using cvs.. don't think the transcoding is that nice in 0.11
05:24<overridex>o_cee: are you using mythtv cvs?
05:25<o_cee>of course
05:25<overridex>o_cee: hehe, i have a feeling the ebuild is screwed then
05:25<o_cee>oh, never tried the myth ebuilds
05:25<accurate>thats what im using :/
05:26<o_cee>blargh, new gentoo-sources.. not in the mood of recompiling the kernel+nvidia+alsa.. blergh
05:28<accurate>heh, kernel+nvidia+qce(webcam)+who knows whatelse here
05:28<accurate>i prefer to keep the kernel setup i got
05:28<overridex>so is the 0.11 mythtv that much older than current cvs?
05:28<o_cee>annoying to have things in emerge -pv world
05:29<o_cee>pretty much new stuff
05:29<o_cee>and fixes
05:29<accurate>something I found annoying about emerge is that theres no way for sure to know if removing a package breaks anything else
05:29<o_cee>but you could wait for 0.12 also :)
05:29<accurate>as far as I know ^
05:30<accurate>i love the compatibility though, I got kde2 and kde3 apps on here
05:42<accurate>these .nuv files readable by mplayer or just mythtv
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06:42<nomad>What's the best way to view .nuv files outside mythtv?
07:06<ay>Has Imbd-support stopped working again (using latest cvs that worked a few days ago)
07:07<ay>I know that amazon changed it after 0.11.
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08:00<moegreen>ay: what isn't working with MythVideo? Searching or entering the #?
08:00<ay>Looking up imdb.
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08:04<moegreen>ay: do you have the source code handy?
08:06<ay>moegreen: Yes.
08:06<ay>Todays checkout.
08:07<moegreen>ay: ok, I'm rebuilding now, but it looks like they might have changed some capitalization and the parseData( function is case sensitive now. In videomanager.cpp look for VideoManager::parseData(
08:07<moegreen>about 7 lines down 'int start = data.find(beg) + beg.length();' change to: 'int start = data.find(beg, 0, false) + beg.length();'
08:08<moegreen>and 'int endint = data.find(end, start + 1);' to 'int endint = data.find(end, start + 1, false);'
08:09<moegreen>ay: the structure of the html that the video manager is looking for is still the same. But without seeing the error, this may be the problem
08:10<moegreen>that code starts on line 262, btw
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08:22<moegreen>ay: did that work?
08:24<ay>endint = data.find(end, start + 1); <- Only finding that on line 345
08:24<o_cee>anyone using mythnews? doesn't seem to load here or something.. the .so is where it should, but there's no menu entries?
08:24<ay>Mine says int endint = data.find(beg) + beg.length();
08:24<ay>o_cee: You need to add it to the mainmenu.xml
08:25<moegreen>ay: 271 & 272 don' have it? I just checked out the latest - should be there
08:25<ay>int start was correct.
08:25<moegreen>ay: there are about three places that need to be changed
08:26<ay>moegreen: Do you have permission to commit to cvs?
08:26<moegreen>ay: search for 'data.find('
08:26<moegreen>ay: yes
08:26<ay>commit :-)
08:26<moegreen>ay: my build is almost done, I'll test it and commit
08:26<ay>moegreen: Nice.
08:27* ay is a asambler and perlprogrammer and has problems parsing c++ code :-)
08:27<o_cee>while you're here moegreen.. you don't know anything about mythgallery do you?
08:27<ay>But I guess it's about time to start. Before I'm too old to learn.
08:28<moegreen>o_cee: not much, I haven't really messed with it
08:28<moegreen>o_cee: what are you having problems with?
08:28<o_cee>moegreen: because it doesn't use the transition value stored in the database.. very strange.. just seems like someone forgot it or something
08:29<o_cee>is the profile stuff safe to checkout now? been holding back since it was quite big
08:31<moegreen>o_cee: heh, not sure about that either. I'd assume so
08:32<o_cee>that's why i didn't have the mythnews menu files commits
08:32<o_cee>i'll dive into it i guess :)
08:34<o_cee>anyone who's made a (better) script to update and compile from cvs?
08:34<o_cee>mine isn't very beautiful :)
08:42<o_cee>In file included from recordingprofile.cpp:1:
08:42<o_cee>recordingprofile.h:8: warning: aggregate has a partly bracketed initializer
08:43<o_cee>just a warning
08:43<o_cee>but still
08:59<overridex>o_cee: downgrading QT in gentoo fixed the prob i had ;)
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09:25<o_cee>ooohkay, that didn't go well. all the profiles are fucked now.. hmm. what tables is it? profilegroups and codecparams? more?
09:31<o_cee>when doing the profile stuff, i can only select mpeg4 and rtjpeg, for a pvr250?
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09:35<_rkulagow>o_cee: yes, because it doesn't matter what you put in there, mythtv will only honor the dimensions you specify for the PVR-250 cards.
09:35<o_cee>hm, says profile 5 and 6..
09:36<o_cee>dvb and transcode? hmm
09:41<o_cee>what should recordingprofiles.videcodec be then?
09:42<o_cee>2003-09-19 15:41:52 Using profile 'Default' to record
09:42<o_cee>Segmentation fault
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09:55<o_cee>think i sorted it out.. deleted a bunch of tables :)
09:56<o_cee>hm, is_default.. it's "1" on all of them except the one that's working now.. odd
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10:15<JonnyRo>Myth always starts 5 minutes early and cuts off 5 minutes early
10:15<JonnyRo>is there a way to set a 5 minute offset
10:15<JonnyRo>in the times returned by xmltv?
10:15<o_cee>think so
10:15<Chutt>try setting your system clock right.
10:16<JonnyRo>I use NTP
10:16<JonnyRo>so believe me, it's right
10:16<JonnyRo>my freaking cable network is off
10:16<Chutt>then it shouldn't be starting early.
10:16<Chutt>then, you should have said that
10:16<JonnyRo>is there a way to specify an offset?
10:16<JonnyRo>because it does this with every show
10:17<JonnyRo>is it on mythsetup or mythfrontend
10:18<Chutt>or setup
10:18<Chutt>there's two different ways to do it.
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10:19<JonnyRo>i know you can specify a certian amount of time after a recording
10:19<JonnyRo>to record
10:19<Chutt>and before.
10:19<JonnyRo>can you specify a negative value for before?
10:20<Chutt>why would you start late?
10:20<o_cee>JonnyRo: there's the same option for before, yes
10:20<o_cee>240 seconds by default i think
10:20<Chutt>0 by default.
10:21<o_cee>what does the is_default in profilegroups mean? i can't get the new profiles right..
10:21<JonnyRo>Thanks for your help
10:22<Chutt>o_cee, there's this really common unix tool called 'grep'
10:22<Chutt>it answers all such questions :p
10:23<o_cee>yeah. but i need this fixed now. but i'll do it your way.
10:23<Chutt>you don't need anything 'fixed now', if you're using CVS.
10:24<o_cee>didn't mean like that. meant that my girlfriend is home in an hour and if it's not working by then i'm dead :)
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10:28<o_cee>now if i goto the profile manager, and pres enter on the pvr250 i get to the same screen as "new profile" instead of the settings for that group..
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10:31<Chutt>why did you make a new profile group?
10:33<o_cee>it's the standard one
10:34<o_cee>what tables should i drop to get a fresh start?
10:35<Chutt>you can't do that right now.
10:35<Chutt>as you won't have any way to populate the tables properly.
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10:55<KikoV>has anybody tested the actual cle266 mpeg decoder?
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11:01<o_cee>Chutt: do i need to fix the profiles on the scheduled recordings now as well?
11:02<o_cee>heh, a bit hard to do in mythweb. :)
11:07<Chutt>mythweb doesn't do the new profile stuff yet.
11:08<o_cee>noticed :)
11:09<o_cee>the --update on mythfilldatabase, does it affect anything more than not touching the channelinfo? is it any different in the updating of the programinfo?
11:10<_rkulagow>chutt: getting connection timed out on cvs.
11:11<Chutt>it's unplugged right now
11:11<Chutt>doing a lot of stuff remotely to the office
11:11<Chutt>need to restart things now that the power is back on down there
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12:50<o_cee>my programlistning has been toally borked.. wonder if it's the --update option..
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13:11<o_cee>very strange.. dropped the whole program table, re-run mythfill, and it's fucked once again. doesn't look like the original site
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13:28<[DOA]Tarkie>any stack trace experts in?
13:28<_rkulagow>chutt: i'm looking at the docs, getting rid of old shit. any reason to believe that the focus problems are still around now that myth has been re-designed?
13:29<Chutt>yeah, with anything that runs an external program
13:30<_rkulagow>ah. ok, i'll leave that in then.
13:31<_rkulagow>mythnews readme says to double-click on stuff to setup, implying mouse. won't that have the same issue that people who try to use the mouse in setup have?
13:46<Chutt>the mythnews stuff needs improvement
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13:56<steelep>i'd like to see them add a ticker
13:57<steelep>i'm talking about an alpha blended one that comes up in the osd, spits out the new news and disappears
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14:22<term>hm, nice is still causing oops's
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14:49<nomad>anyone know if mplayer 1.x can play mythtv video files, or know any other way besides the .90 patch
14:51<jkolb>Capture with a PVR?
14:51<jkolb>Or transcode them. Although I have no idea how to use the transcoding capabilities.
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14:56<lmatter>Chutt, which via cle driver are you using. 40032 for RH9?
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14:57<ccp>Anyone happen to know off hand the up2date command to get the latest redhat sources so i can install some drivers
14:59<Chutt>lmatter, 40030, rh8, i haven't bothered to upgrade to 32
15:02<lmatter>Chutt, thanks.
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15:12<[DOA]Tarkie>anyone know about european channel settings? and putting them in the channel db table?
15:12<nomad>"program finder" rocks
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15:25<tmk>doa: there's a perl module you can get from the ivtv cvs that has all the channel settings
15:25<tmk>frequencies etc
15:25<tmk>not sure if that's what you want
15:25<nomad>Does the --allkeys function using mythtranscode make videos readable outside mythtv?
15:25<tmk>if you're talking XMLtv, then i can't help
15:26<nomad>I also have mythvideo installed, no idea what it does
15:27<nomad>btw, this smaller transcoded file still isn't readable by mplayer, "MPEG: FATAL: EOF while searching for sequence header."
15:29<[DOA]Tarkie>tmk, im having problems getting mythtv to display anything, whereas, works
15:29<[DOA]Tarkie>so, i've got the freq table to allow me to convert from channel number to frequency
15:29<[DOA]Tarkie>and i know what channels i need
15:29<[DOA]Tarkie>what i dont know is:
15:30<[DOA]Tarkie>what do i need to put in each channel DB entry to give mythtv enough info to tune
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15:39<nomad>If I'm right, --allkeys is a similiar patch that was given to mplayer
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15:39<nomad>"I've incorporated Geoff's patch from earlier today, and added it to my
15:39<nomad>own patch I'm attaching here.
15:40<nomad>hmm.. even with --allkeys, mplayer still fails to read it
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16:12<nomad>Can mythtranscode be used to convert a .nuv into a readable file by mplayer?
16:14<Chutt>err, no.
16:17<nomad>I'm thinking there is a way with ffmpeg
16:17<Chutt>not by itself, of course.
16:17<nomad>fifo or something
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16:20<sfr>just a heads-up: one shouldn't install unclutter on a system without mouse. the wm might get confused about which window to give keyboard focus. :) (noticed two seconds before blaming myth for that)
16:25<nomad>i give up, i'll just compile mplayer with a patch
16:26<nomad>otherwsie i'll be at this all day
16:26<tmk>hey chutt: question about your experience with the fb-osd stuff
16:26<tmk>does it crash when you change channels
16:26<tmk>or just after 3 or 4 seconds
16:27<nomad>Question: Does the commercial skip feature work on 'playback' of files inside mythtv
16:27<nomad>or just livetv
16:27<Chutt>tmk, randomly, all the time.
16:28<Chutt>nomad, err, what would be the point if it didn't work during playback?
16:28<tmk>i wonder if it just crashes after a close/reopen of /dev/video16
16:28<nomad>chutt, nm. wasn't sure it worked on a video I had recorded
16:28<tmk>are there any osd functions that don't do that sort of thing?
16:28<tmk>ie just put stuff on the screen
16:29<Chutt>hit i
16:29<Chutt>or pause
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17:33<alkern>howdy...does anyone else have mythbacked die when mythweb connects to "recorded programs" ?
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18:41<henry_>anybody here use a dc10+ for video capture?
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19:56<tmk>chutt: do you have a moment or two?
20:01<[DOA]Tarkie>he's not spoken since 9:29
20:01<tmk>that's ok
20:01<tmk>he's a lurker
20:01<[DOA]Tarkie>little devil :)
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20:09<nomad__>when watching live tv, it slows down every 15 seconds.. any way to put less drain on the cpu?
20:10<nomad__>I have a 733mhz processor
20:13<tmk>lower resolution
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20:16<henry_>anyone use an ati radeon with video out?
20:17<henry_>sorry, late in the day, tv-out
20:18<henry_>wondering if there is a better config that vesa (I can't seem to make tv-out work unless its vesa).
20:18<henry_>with vesa I don't get xv
20:18* tmk pokes chutt
20:18<tmk>i fixed the osd for you
20:18<tmk>but now it doesn't play back
20:19<jkolb>That's an interesting interpretation of 'fixed.'
20:19<tmk>the osd hung the box before
20:19<tmk>but video played before it hung
20:19<tmk>for about 1/2 second
20:19<tmk>now nothing plays
20:19<tmk>but the osd works great
20:20<tmk>i'll send a patch i guess
20:20<kja>henry: dunno, think there is some drivers around, tried googling for it?
20:22<henry_>yeah, I've found ati.2/drm/something, but was hoping hear somebody say "oh yeah that works great" before I went thru the motions.
20:22<kja>i've heard nothing but complaints from ati users..
20:23<henry_>This system is at least a year old. I was thinking of getting a new shuttle sn41G2 for mythtv w/builting geforce2
20:24<kja>same box in front of me, works great
20:24<henry_>not sure whether to stick with my dc10+ for video capture (since that is my other problem).
20:24<henry_>what do you use for capture?
20:25<kja>hauppauge nexus-s dvb card
20:25<henry_>and is the system fairly quiet?
20:25<kja>yea, no hd, nfsroot..exchanged the fan..yea, very quiet
20:26<henry_>heat sink/no fan on the cpu?
20:26<nomad__>lets see if I understand this correctly, with auto commerical flagging & skipping enabled, any recorded shows that I play later inside mythtv will have it's commercials skipped?
20:27<kja>henry: combined case/cpu fan, heat pipes, read more on their web
20:27<henry_>thanx kja
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20:50<nomad__>commercial skip doesnt seem to work for playback of recorded shows. Maybe it's only for live tv? Sorry, it's just there so little written about it.
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20:50<nomad__>I think I may forget about commercial skip altogether, dunno.
20:51<Chutt>tmk, yo
20:52<tmk>chutt: nevermind
20:52<tmk>i didn't really fix it :)
20:52<tmk>turns out the osd works fine as long as it's not decoding
20:52<Chutt>something conflicting?
20:52<tmk>ie there was some buffer issue, so it didn't decode
20:52<tmk>but myth thought it was
20:52<tmk>yeah must be
20:52<tmk>i'm tyring a few things out now
20:52<tmk>might HAVE to double buffer
20:58<tmk>hmm it seems much happier now
20:58<Chutt>whatever it takes..
20:58<tmk>without writing to the active buffer
20:58<tmk>so hopefulyl double-bufferring will work
20:58<tmk>though i did manage to segfault mythtv
20:59<tmk>does only one thread write to the OSD?
20:59<tmk>ok good :)
21:01<Chutt>there, think i have this stop recording patch worked in
21:01<Chutt>i like getting patches that i decide to rewrite completely before applying
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21:04<tmk>chutt: something i've noticed.. with my remote control.. it skips 10 mins instead of 1 sometimes
21:04<tmk>it's sending "Right" to mythfrontend
21:04<Chutt>this just added this convenience class to wrap another class
21:04<Chutt>and i decided it was totally unnecessary
21:04<Chutt>tmk, ah, i dunno
21:04<Chutt>never seen it do that before
21:04<tmk>it does it with the keyboard if i hold it down i think
21:04<Chutt>there _is_ a jump forward skip
21:04<tmk>might be a key-repeat thing
21:04<tmk>i'll check lircd
21:10<Chutt>someone just emailed me, wants to store the video files in mysql
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21:11<tmk>chutt: the osd is the same size as the video screen right
21:11<tmk>ie 720x480
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21:14<vektor>yeah, square pixels suck
21:14<vektor>down with squares
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21:56<nomad__>ok, just watched a show.. commercials skipped perfectly each time :)
21:56<nomad__>finnaly, now I can start adding shows to schedule
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22:19<term>why does mythfilldatabase calling nice keep oopsing
22:21<mdz>heh, then you could have ALL communication through the db
22:22<mdz>just append to a blob for the live tv buffer...
22:22<mdz>term: buggy kernel
22:22<term>mdz: I figured, but there's no way to tell it to change the nice value, I guess.
22:22<mdz>you can change it in the source
22:22<term>or maybe nice is getting confused and calling it
22:23<term>I'm probably going to recompile it soon anyway, the buffering changes made recently probably fix one of the problems I've been seeing
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23:01<Chutt>term, i changed the nice level in cvs for you
23:01<Chutt>back when you first mentioned it
23:06<term>still crashes :(
23:06<term>unless it didn't make it into .11
23:06<term>but I thought it did
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23:23<nomad__>I got Simpsons, King of the Hill, A-Team, Twilight Zone, mash, and a few other shows set to auto record.. this is the kewlest app
23:23<CyberKnet>one of these days I'll actually be able to buy the components to run it =)
23:24<nomad__>I've had my wintv card for many many years, just no real use for until now :)
23:24<CyberKnet>every time I get the money together to buy a new part, my car breaks down.
23:24<CyberKnet>nah, it's all good.
23:25<CyberKnet>I mean, the car is much more important =)
23:25<nomad__>yes it is
23:25<CyberKnet>I don't mind too much. It's a lot of fun just to be involved and watch something like this grow.
23:25<nomad__>You do programming?
23:25<CyberKnet>And, as an added bonus, by time I get all my gear, the decoder on the PVR-350 might be supported!
23:26<CyberKnet>not for Myth yet
23:26<nomad__>I'm just an ignorant end user who can only make software run, i can't even write hello world
23:26<CyberKnet>I can write hello world in a multitude of languages.
23:26<CyberKnet>the least of which would be assembler =)
23:26<CyberKnet>the easiest being Visual basic. heh. click, type, click done =)
23:27<CyberKnet>the typing constituting "Hello World" =P"
23:27<nomad__>I doubt from what I've seen in commercial tv capture apps, most of which can not compare to mythtv
23:27<nomad__>so many options
23:27<CyberKnet>Myth is outstanding. Isaac deserves several standing ovations.
23:28<CyberKnet>It outperforms and outfeatures several pay-for PVR programs.
23:28<CyberKnet>but it seems like a lot of people have great difficulty getting it working in the first place.
23:28<nomad__>I think mysql is the worst part about it
23:29<nomad__>i didnt even know what it was until I started using mythtv yesterday
23:29<CyberKnet>you didn't know what mysql was?
23:29<nomad__>yeah I heard from a friend a while back it was something about databases, that is all
23:29<nomad__>but other than that, no
23:29<CyberKnet>what gear do you run?
23:30<nomad__>733mhz intel, Gentoo
23:30<CyberKnet>I'm thinking of running a 2ghz celeron pundit. That pundit case just looks so nice in the pictures...
23:31<nomad__>if I ever goto a new system, I'll just switch most of my existing hardware to a barebones setup
23:31<nomad__>use all my exisiting agp/pci devices, etc
23:32<CyberKnet>yeah. The only old gear I have is an old PIII 450, and I think that wouldn't cut it for DVD playback, which is why I decided to buy new stuff.
23:32<nomad__>I'm hoping this comp last another 2-3 yrs
23:32<nomad__>but im doubtful
23:32<CyberKnet>so far I have actually managed to buy the 802.11g stuff and a nice I/R keyboard (LiteOn Airboard).
23:33<CyberKnet>I got all excited when I saw someone post on the list today about a pundit for $140 ... heh
23:33<CyberKnet>Had the check-card out and all, searched google for an hour or so looking for where they might have gotten it...
23:34<CyberKnet>the myth users list traffic has increased quite a bit since I joined a few months ago.
23:34<CyberKnet>about 80-100 messages a day now if I guage correctly...
23:34<nomad__>I usally monitor how many users are on Gnomemeeting at certain times of the day
23:35<nomad__>yeah, its a netmeeting clone
23:35<nomad__>I use it to webcam/mic to friends
23:35<nomad__>with my logictech quickcam
23:36<nomad__>I got a good deal on it too, $30
23:36<CyberKnet>and there are 150-200 myth users on gnomemeeting?
23:36<nomad__>no no, just normal users
23:37<CyberKnet>aha =)
23:37<nomad__>I'm just saying I try and keep uptodate with linux app use
23:37<CyberKnet> I was gonna say ... I had no idea gnomemeeting was that popular with Myth users!
23:37<nomad__>gentoo has some sort of usage app, but i dont have mine installed
23:37<CyberKnet>I used to run linux as my home desktop, but work and my wife's college intervened, and so now I'm back on the Windows chain.
23:38<CyberKnet>although I have a nice 120gb drive coming soon, so dual boot is sounding attractive =)
23:38<nomad__>everytime I install anything on windows, I feel like I'm breaking the system
23:38<nomad__>its a sence of insecurity
23:39<CyberKnet>yeah. I justify it by switching everything possible to open source software...
23:39<CyberKnet>I like mozilla a lot more than ie, and OOo is almost as good as MS Office
23:39<CyberKnet>And miranda makes a great convergance messenger.
23:40<CyberKnet>I'm thrilled with how well that one turned out.
23:40<nomad__>in Linux, I was a fan on amsn, but Kopete is my favorite now
23:41<nomad__>somebody must like my nickname, nomad exist, nomad_ exist, then here I am
23:41<CyberKnet>That's why I chose this one.
23:41<nomad__>yeah its unique
23:42<nomad__>I usally go by the nickname accurate, which nobody uses for some reason.. but its amazing how many people use the word 'accurate'
23:42<nomad__>so channels are always highlighted in xchat by people using the word
23:42<CyberKnet>nobody uses my name unless they're talking about/to me
23:43<CyberKnet>even the shortened form that I watch for (knet) is nigh on never used.
23:43<nomad__>yeah thats the best way, specially now that everyone is used to using tab key for autonick
23:43<nomad__>really doesnt matter how long it is
23:44<nomad__>in a few minutes, I'll have had recorded 3 mash episodes back to back.. im gonna see if the autoskip feature worked on the commercials
23:44<nomad__>yeah it worked with Bewitched
23:44<CyberKnet>I'm reading up on the new BTX format.
23:44<nomad__>whats that
23:45<CyberKnet>some new form factor like ATX
23:45<CyberKnet>supposed to be much better for cooling
23:46<nomad__>I saw a pic where they put a mobo under liquid nitrogen
23:47<nomad__>wow, its amazing how they can examine cooling like that, must use thermal watchamacallem's
23:48<nomad__>people use them to detect bad wiring and stuff
23:48<nomad__>its kinda neat to see
23:49<CyberKnet>I'd like to be able to identify hotspots in my pc like that
23:49<CyberKnet>instead of the "damn that's hot" method =P"
23:50<nomad__>yeah, thats sorta like the "dont taste" rule in science
23:50<nomad__>hmm.. acidic or a base, :)
23:52<CyberKnet>why are people in such a hurry to get rid of ps/2 and parallel ports from motherboards?
23:52<CyberKnet>I've not had a particularly great time with USB.
23:53<nomad__>I can understand why discontinuing parallel(maybe), but ps2 must stay
23:53<nomad__>they never include usb cables with any products I buy
23:53<CyberKnet>My mouse and my keyboard are both USB, and I have put converters on both to ps2 ports because the USB functionality was just not as reliable
23:53<nomad__>maybe killing off ps2 will increase usb sales
23:54<CyberKnet>my printer and my scanner also are USB, but if I try and put everything on one USB channel, god help me
23:54<CyberKnet>even if I'm not actually using the printer and the scanner at that moment in time.
23:54<CyberKnet>(and that is *with* a powered USB hub)
23:54<nomad__>I use my gameport for my gravis gamepad(though I think modern gravis is usb), webcam is usb, my hp cam is usb.. they all work
23:55<nomad__>but both mouse and keyboard are ps2
23:55<nomad__>i want one of them infrared mouses
23:55<CyberKnet>infrared? or laser?
23:56<nomad__>I thought it was laser, but someone told me infrared.. im not familiar with these new gadgets
23:56<nomad__>only seen one once
23:56<CyberKnet>The optical ones?
23:56<CyberKnet>that have no mouse ball
23:56<CyberKnet>where do you live that you've only seen one once? =)
23:57<CyberKnet>BTW, if you want the sweetest optical mouse:
23:57<nomad__>america, lol. One time I seen them was a friends laptop used one, and when I goto the store -- i never look for mouse
23:58<CyberKnet>no kidding
23:58<CyberKnet>I lust after that mouse =)
23:59<nomad__>areo dynamic
23:59<CyberKnet>I was about to buy it, but then I got my new 802.11g wireless router + NIC instead =)
23:59<CyberKnet>which is also very very nice.
23:59<nomad__>yeah gotta have good net stuff
23:59<nomad__>I lost a 16port networking switch
23:59<nomad__>can't believe it,
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