| --- | Log | opened Sat Sep 20 00:00:30 2003 |
| --- | Day | changed Sat Sep 20 2003 |
| 00:00 | <nomad__> | oh well, me and my 4port hub will do ok |
| 00:00 | <CyberKnet> | you lost it? |
| 00:00 | <nomad__> | yeah cause I travel to my dads alot |
| 00:00 | <nomad__> | and i think he or someone used it for something and it wound of missing |
| 00:00 | <CyberKnet> | aah. |
| 00:01 | <CyberKnet> | that sucks. |
| 00:01 | <nomad__> | up missing^ |
| 00:01 | <nomad__> | yep |
| 00:01 | <nomad__> | I was gonna use it on a 5 computer cluster |
| 00:01 | <nomad__> | as an experiment for fast processing |
| 00:01 | <nomad__> | hubs are bad for clustering |
| 00:02 | <nomad__> | when it took 5 minutes for a kde window to popup, it wasnt worth it.. the hub had many collisions |
| 00:03 | <nomad__> | they had a small program that showed how many task where running per comp |
| 00:03 | <CyberKnet> | heh |
| 00:03 | <CyberKnet> | I havent messed with any clustering stuff |
| 00:04 | <CyberKnet> | oh, btw, 5 minutes is normal for a kde window to open. you should have tried gnome =P" |
| 00:04 | | * CyberKnet ducks |
| 00:04 | <nomad__> | ahhh! |
| 00:05 | <nomad__> | I use kde with lowest eyecandy, but use the keramik style. However, using the qt styles are faster I think. But I see no need to run it. |
| 00:05 | <CyberKnet> | I prefer KDE, to be honest. But last time I loaded linux and tried to open a program ... I was flaberghasted |
| 00:05 | <nomad__> | when I had only 128mb of ram, yes kde was slow (then). |
| 00:06 | <nomad__> | I added another 256mb of ram :) |
| 00:06 | <nomad__> | world of diffrence |
| 00:06 | <CyberKnet> | hmmm |
| 00:06 | <CyberKnet> | I only run 256 |
| 00:06 | <nomad__> | what type of ram, sdram 133? |
| 00:06 | <CyberKnet> | but still... I wouldn't expect that to be a huge problem. |
| 00:06 | <CyberKnet> | pfffsst |
| 00:06 | <CyberKnet> | DDR 333 |
| 00:06 | <nomad__> | ahh. kewl |
| 00:07 | <CyberKnet> | old news now =( |
| 00:07 | <CyberKnet> | paid some very hefty $$$ for it when it came out. |
| 00:07 | <nomad__> | :( |
| 00:07 | <CyberKnet> | This athlon system is the most stable I've ever had though. |
| 00:08 | <CyberKnet> | of course, WindowsXP is also the most stable version of Windows that was ever made =P But I've had better luck than most people, I think. |
| 00:09 | <nomad__> | last time I installed winxp(no lie), I got a worm virus within 2 mins of getting on the network |
| 00:09 | <nomad__> | I could barely get to microsofts site to get info on removal, become worm was flooding my dsl |
| 00:09 | <nomad__> | and sure enough, I managed to get a worm cleaner and it detected it |
| 00:10 | <nomad__> | The only decent software on windows is warezed apps |
| 00:10 | <nomad__> | and that only brings with it a bagage of viruses |
| 00:13 | <nomad__> | bbl |
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| 01:00 | <grogan> | so can anyone tell me what /dev/video32 and /dev/video33 are all about? (I have two PVR-250s |
| 01:00 | <grogan> | ) |
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| 01:44 | <Chutt> | hey thor |
| 01:44 | <thor_> | Hey |
| 01:44 | <thor_> | Crappy week ... too much real work |
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| 01:45 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:45 | <Chutt> | same |
| 01:45 | <thor_> | burn stuff is almost useable .... but I don't see how I'm going to be able to pull it together before middle of next week |
| 01:46 | <Chutt> | no rush |
| 01:46 | <thor_> | btw, commercial detection is currently running *amazingly* well |
| 01:47 | <thor_> | whoever wrote that .... that is good code |
| 01:54 | <thor_> | Seem to be a few myth-boxen selling sites promising to go live over the next little while ... you got any scuttlebut? |
| 01:54 | <Chutt> | nope |
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| 01:55 | <thor_> | no angel-round preferred certificates ... =) |
| 01:55 | <Chutt> | heh, hardly |
| 01:56 | <Chutt> | if i get a 'thanks for the code', i'd be impressed. |
| 01:56 | <thor_> | yup |
| 01:56 | <Chutt> | i haven't heard back from the oneboxmc people |
| 01:57 | <thor_> | heard anything from viaarena? |
| 01:57 | <Chutt> | they asked how active i'd be in helping them out |
| 01:57 | <Chutt> | i said 'that'd probably depend on how serious you are in contributing back' |
| 01:57 | <thor_> | you |
| 01:58 | <thor_> | 've probably done more for Hauppauge's bottom line that anyone else |
| 01:58 | <thor_> | =) |
| 01:58 | <thor_> | and ASUS |
| 01:58 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 01:58 | <Chutt> | certainly sold a couple boards, but nothing major |
| 01:59 | <thor_> | I bought 3 |
| 01:59 | <thor_> | =) |
| 01:59 | <thor_> | anyhooo ... it is a nice diversion |
| 01:59 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 02:00 | <thor_> | I just get vaguely ill when I think about what Redmond is spending on HTPC development and marketing .... |
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| 02:16 | <thor_> | hey, http://www.extremetech.com/print_article/0,3998,a=58657,00.asp |
| 02:17 | <thor_> | stuff I get for free shouldn't be so hard |
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| 02:28 | <thor_> | tmk, how's it going ? |
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| 02:35 | <tmk> | not bad |
| 02:35 | <tmk> | yourself? |
| 02:35 | <tmk> | getting to the bottom of some OSD crashes |
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| 02:39 | <thor_> | tmk, this on the PVR hw decoder? |
| 02:43 | <tmk> | ya |
| 02:44 | <thor_> | any chance for us PVR-250 w/ hw decoders types (but no video out)? |
| 02:46 | <tmk> | slim to none :/ |
| 02:46 | <thor_> | k |
| 02:46 | <tmk> | it's technically possible if we had docs |
| 02:46 | <tmk> | but we dont |
| 02:46 | <thor_> | ah |
| 02:46 | <thor_> | I'm amazed how much you've done already |
| 02:47 | <thor_> | you get any support from Hauppauge? |
| 02:51 | <tmk> | i got a card |
| 02:51 | <tmk> | :) |
| 02:51 | <tmk> | thats about it |
| 02:52 | <thor_> | stupid |
| 02:53 | <thor_> | (Hauppauge) |
| 02:53 | <Chutt> | they have a license agreement to abide by |
| 02:53 | <Chutt> | for the mpeg2 part |
| 02:53 | <thor_> | still .... |
| 02:53 | <thor_> | stupid |
| 02:54 | <thor_> | they have a channel to move hardware |
| 02:54 | <thor_> | and are just not exploiting it |
| 02:54 | <tmk> | sup chutt |
| 02:55 | <Chutt> | hey |
| 02:55 | <tmk> | this is slow going |
| 02:55 | <tmk> | esp when it decides to fsck my 120gb drive :/ |
| 02:55 | <thor_> | they should be showering both of you with everything that comes within a hair's breadth of violating their licensing |
| 02:55 | <Chutt> | kinda hard when you have to reboot so often |
| 02:55 | <tmk> | yeah |
| 02:56 | <tmk> | i haven't really asked for anything though |
| 02:56 | <tmk> | i need someone to bug conexant routinely |
| 02:56 | <tmk> | i heard (a rumor that) they allowed someone to try and make a driver out of the leaked devel driver |
| 02:56 | <thor_> | their the chip people? |
| 02:56 | <tmk> | nah, i just want up-to-date api docs |
| 02:57 | <tmk> | and a general overview of the hardware |
| 02:57 | <tmk> | i'm taking stabs in the dark here |
| 02:57 | <tmk> | :) |
| 02:57 | <thor_> | that would lead to a lot of reboots ... =) |
| 02:59 | <thor_> | totally annoying though ... people lined up to buy hardware if it can work .... owner of that hardware sitting with their thumbs up their asses in (probably blissful ignorance) ... |
| 02:59 | <tmk> | would and does |
| 02:59 | <tmk> | i don't know about 'lined up' |
| 03:00 | <thor_> | back of the enveloppe ... |
| 03:00 | <thor_> | Chutt, how many post 0.11 downloads? |
| 03:00 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 03:00 | <tmk> | chutt: seeking's been pretty erratic with the pvr stuff of late |
| 03:00 | <Chutt> | there's a counter on the download page on the website |
| 03:00 | <tmk> | sometimes it just twitches |
| 03:01 | <tmk> | like it doesn''t know where to ff to, so it stays where it is |
| 03:01 | <Chutt> | tmk, with the decoder? |
| 03:01 | <tmk> | yeah |
| 03:01 | <tmk> | but it's myth seeking wrong |
| 03:01 | <tmk> | has to be |
| 03:01 | <Chutt> | yeah, there's probably some issues in there |
| 03:01 | <Chutt> | i haven't bothered to look into that very much |
| 03:01 | <Chutt> | got tired of rebooting :p |
| 03:01 | <tmk> | mkay |
| 03:01 | <tmk> | well i'll get the osd stable |
| 03:01 | <tmk> | then bug ou |
| 03:02 | <thor_> | when did that counter last get reset? |
| 03:02 | <Chutt> | it doesn't |
| 03:02 | <Chutt> | it's for each file release |
| 03:02 | <thor_> | 13k |
| 03:03 | <thor_> | ok ... figure zero seconday (etc.) copies and installs |
| 03:04 | <Chutt> | i don't have download counts for the rpm or deb releases |
| 03:04 | <thor_> | 20% running PVR-x50's |
| 03:04 | <thor_> | (I'm being conservative) |
| 03:04 | <thor_> | that's 2,000 odd pci cards sold |
| 03:05 | <thor_> | (at a bottom limit) |
| 03:05 | <thor_> | if the gross margin is $10.00, chump change |
| 03:05 | <thor_> | but these things sell for $100.00+ |
| 03:06 | <thor_> | you starting to talk about hundreds of thousands |
| 03:06 | <tmk> | wonder if linux useres call support ever ;) |
| 03:06 | <thor_> | and a potential for millions |
| 03:07 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 03:07 | <Chutt> | ah well |
| 03:07 | <Chutt> | i'm goin to bed |
| 03:07 | <thor_> | good |
| 03:08 | <term> | Chutt: nite |
| 03:09 | <thor_> | tmk, my only point was ... Hauppauge is already in your debt. You should try and call them on it. |
| 03:13 | <tmk> | what do they have that i want |
| 03:13 | <tmk> | and that they can give me |
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| 03:17 | <thor_> | you're writing software that is making their harware sell |
| 03:18 | <thor_> | s/harware/hardware |
| 03:18 | <thor_> | lord knows they can't write software to save their lives |
| 03:29 | <robbie> | hi thor_ |
| 03:30 | | * robbie reminds thor_ |
| 03:34 | <thor_> | robbie, as soon as I have code which is (at least) compileable, I'll let it out |
| 03:34 | <robbie> | okey dokey |
| 03:34 | <thor_> | (sorry ... real work has been crappy this week) |
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| 05:16 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | can anyone tell me what format the channel table is? |
| 05:16 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | and what values are expected to detail the frequency? |
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| 05:45 | <overridex> | dumb question, but has anyone made any png icons for mythtv? |
| 05:46 | <overridex> | for your desktop/panel that is |
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| 05:52 | <accurate> | why is it that commercials are not skipped the first time playing back some shows, but are skipped if playing it back from the beginning again? |
| 05:52 | <accurate> | I'm guessing it hasn't got around to autoflagging the show |
| 06:00 | <overridex> | anyone using that mplayer patch for playing back .nuv files from mythtv on mplayer 1.0-pre1? it applies fine but some frames get garbled in it..... i'll try an older mplayer soon |
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| 06:18 | <o_c> | there's some really strange things with my program listning... the programs that go later this night is listed under _tomorrow_ late at night.. wtf |
| 06:20 | <o_c> | and i think i know why.. |
| 06:20 | <o_c> | is anyone here? :) |
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| 06:21 | <o_cee> | this has to be a bug in mythfilldatabase.. |
| 06:24 | <o_cee> | at 23.00 (11pm) there's a program that start.. it says "Soccer". it ends at 01:15. BUT. during that program, there's sub programs sort of. first it's "the talk before" then it's "the game" and so on. that seems to be confusing the hell out of myth, since those programs has been moved to the following day? i guess the best way would be to put those sub-programs in the sub-title thingie in myth (wich isn't beeing used by this feed anyway..) |
| 06:25 | <o_cee> | or should that be adressed by xmltv that should put those programs as "sub-titles"? |
| 06:34 | | * overridex is away: sleep |
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| 06:58 | <o_cee> | seems like the maintainer for the swedish listning haven't updated anything for quite some time.. |
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| 07:52 | <dis> | anybody else in here experiencing the "waiting for input" deadlocks? |
| 07:52 | <dis> | if so please pm me your email. I'm going to try and find out what's behind it today after work |
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| 09:16 | <choenig> | sfr: around? |
| 09:17 | <sfr> | hi choenig! |
| 09:17 | <choenig> | just curious, are you using german translation in mythtv? |
| 09:17 | <sfr> | yes |
| 09:19 | <choenig> | he, I tried that only once and was chased away by the funny translations (not that I could do it better!) :) |
| 09:19 | <sfr> | funny, do you have an example? |
| 09:20 | <sfr> | and don't write 'mythtv' :) |
| 09:20 | <choenig> | but? |
| 09:21 | <sfr> | anything specific or basically all translations? |
| 09:21 | <robbie> | we have a mitsubishi 4wd which apparently sounds like wanker in spanish |
| 09:21 | <robbie> | called a pajero |
| 09:22 | <choenig> | sfr: just checking... |
| 09:23 | <sfr> | choenig: don't hesitate to send corrections,suggestions. |
| 09:24 | <choenig> | sfr: I know, but the thing is, I tried to translate alot of stuff, but I always ended uncomfortable with my translations |
| 09:25 | <choenig> | sfr: and I have to add, that while checking the translation again, it doesn't look too bad :) |
| 09:26 | <sfr> | choenig: nice to hear!. But i'm still looking for suiting translations for e.g. 'device' or mixer'. i don't really like Geraet. |
| 09:27 | <choenig> | something I don't like i.e. is "TV Planer" or "Manuelle Planung" ... do you really 'plan' the recording? (no, again, I don't know how to make it better) |
| 09:29 | <choenig> | wow, my new radeon supports xv on both heads, thats an advantage over the matrox driver :) |
| 09:30 | <sfr> | choenig: that's a weak spot, yes. |
| 09:30 | <sfr> | choenig: which card? |
| 09:30 | <choenig> | a 9600Pro |
| 09:32 | <sfr> | choenig: you have a dual-head setup in your living room? |
| 09:32 | <choenig> | my living room is my working room, too, but my mythbox only has one monitor, my working machine three of'em |
| 09:34 | <choenig> | I have to turn my head to watch tv while working at my computer, but now I can use one monitor for remote playback again, thats nice :) |
| 09:34 | <sfr> | choenig: nice. does TV Uebersicht sound better to you? |
| 09:35 | <sfr> | or maybe just TV Programm. |
| 09:35 | <choenig> | maybe leave the 'TV' at all? |
| 09:36 | <sfr> | choenig: maybe, i did that for the recording style (daily, weekly ...) as it's pretty obvious that it's about recording a show. |
| 09:36 | <choenig> | "Manuelle Planung" could probably be smth like "Manuelle Eingabe" |
| 09:37 | <choenig> | yeah |
| 09:37 | <sfr> | yes, i think i'll change that. |
| 09:39 | <choenig> | and just "uebersicht" sounds good, too, doesn't it? |
| 09:40 | <sfr> | i think so too. |
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| 09:42 | <sfr> | why was the cvs.sql removed from CVS? But there's no 0.11-to0.12.sql file yet. Or did i just update at the wrong moment? |
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| 09:50 | <sfr> | just noticed: shouldn't recordings be deleted from the oldrecorded table when they are being deleted? i have entries in oldrecorded which are 1/2 year old and long gone. |
| 09:53 | <choenig> | what Is the actual purpose of oldrecorded? |
| 09:54 | <sfr> | choenig: i think it stores the program information for your recordings (airdate, description...); what you see in the watch recordings menu. |
| 09:54 | <choenig> | sfr: but recorded does that too ?! |
| 09:56 | <sfr> | ah yes, and this one is up-to-date. i don't know then what oldrecorded is used for. |
| 09:56 | <choenig> | :-) |
| 09:59 | <choenig> | so, about cvs.sql, is it that the updates are done automatically now? |
| 10:00 | <sfr> | was that planned? |
| 10:01 | <choenig> | I don't know, but from -commits: |
| 10:01 | <choenig> | "Quick'n'dirty database upgrading. Will be used for the profile patch soon. =)" |
| 10:01 | <choenig> | and then came Geoffreys patch and cvs.sql was removed |
| 10:02 | <sfr> | just read this commit message. and after that there is: Delete from codecparams. People who updated before I added this should probably just do that manually. |
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| 10:03 | <choenig> | I didn't update since then |
| 10:05 | <sfr> | i did, a few days ago. But recorded some shows yesterday without problems. I'll just sync to todays CVS and re-run setup again. Let's see what happens. |
| 10:06 | <accurate> | mythtv has recorded 15 shows since I started using it, and I'd just like to say that it correctly skipped the commercials from each one of them. This must be the neatest software I've used for my wintv card =) |
| 10:06 | <accurate> | I've had this card for two years, never did me a bit of good until now heh |
| 10:07 | <choenig> | accurate: I was very surprised about the quality of commflag, too |
| 10:08 | <choenig> | so, gotta go shopping now... |
| 10:08 | | * choenig is away: einkaufen |
| 10:08 | <accurate> | yeah I'm using autoflag/autoskip with strict commmercial detection turned off. |
| 10:09 | <accurate> | I've never used strict commercial detection turned on, it just seemed to be the right choice. |
| 10:09 | <accurate> | I also read it gives better results for most people. |
| 10:13 | <sfr> | choenig: for the record. mythtv now _does_ auto-update the mythconverg db. |
| 10:47 | <_rkulagow> | chutt: docs sync please. there are some new sections, so i don't know if you have a script that wildcards or goes by-name. |
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| 11:02 | <accurate> | hello |
| --- | Log | opened Sat Sep 20 12:06:31 2003 |
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| 12:14 | <Sembiance> | w00t! I now have FOUR PVR250 cards in my box. |
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| 12:14 | <Sembiance> | And they all work. Had to modify the ivtv driver to support 4 cards, but that was just a definition |
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| 12:20 | <kja> | hi |
| 12:20 | <Sembiance> | hehe |
| 12:21 | <kja> | Chutt, thanks for putting the dvb-setup stuff in cvs! |
| 12:22 | <kja> | Chutt, had any thoughts on seeking patch? |
| 12:30 | <Sembiance> | Oh AWESOME. I got FOUR mplayer windows playing at the SAME time, each pulling from one of my FOUR PVR 250 TV tuner cards in the box |
| 12:34 | <Chutt> | kja, i'd prefer to merge that in with the rest of your dvb patch |
| 12:35 | <kja> | ok, have you tested it in your local tree? |
| 12:35 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 12:35 | <Chutt> | the ivtvdecoder uses something similar |
| 12:37 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, the docs should be updating shortly |
| 12:38 | <kja> | noticed that you are well underway with doing db upgrades in code.. |
| 12:38 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 12:38 | <Chutt> | that's pretty much done, except for bugs in the sql =) |
| 12:39 | <kja> | yea (?), and a typo in the last verbose msg, 1006->1007 |
| 12:39 | <Chutt> | oh well |
| 12:39 | <kja> | :) |
| 12:39 | <Chutt> | it was late last night |
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| 12:49 | <sfr> | Chutt: when entering the adv. recordings option screen via schedule-Rec->EPG (select show and hit enter, then i), mythfrontend segfaults/gets stuck when i hit CURSOR-DOWN until passing the 'list of upcoming playtimes' button. this is with the latest CVS. Is that enough info or you _need_ a bt? |
| 12:49 | <Chutt> | that's enough info |
| 12:49 | <Chutt> | someone reported that on the mailing list as well |
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| 12:52 | <Chutt> | i probably won't have time to look at it until much later today, though |
| 12:53 | <sfr> | no problem, i'm just playing around working on translations. |
| 12:53 | <Chutt> | cool. |
| 12:56 | <kja> | Chutt, looked at the ivtvdecoder's preprocesspkt, and it might suffer the same problem as my code was..sent a mail with my solution |
| 12:56 | <Chutt> | yeah, figured |
| 12:56 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 12:57 | <kja> | np |
| 12:58 | <sfr> | is Geoff around here? my marvel g400 h/w mjpeg card seems to work ok with the new profile stuff. |
| 13:05 | <Sembiance> | I wonder if I hold the record for most number of PVR250' |
| 13:05 | <Sembiance> | s in a single box |
| 13:06 | <mdz> | Chutt: you already know about the g++ problem in unstable, right? |
| 13:06 | <mdz> | (the one that I had to recompile the debs for) |
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| 13:40 | <_rkulagow> | hey, chutt. when are you going to start running myth as a democracy? |
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| 13:42 | <billytwowilly> | hi, I was looking through the mailing list archives and on the webpage and didn't really see anything that would hint at the current status of mythtv. Are we getting close to a release? |
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| 14:10 | <o_cee> | Chutt: you in a good mood today? |
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| 14:16 | <robertj> | A web page update would be appreciated |
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| 14:16 | <engie> | Hi. Is there any way to use the mythtv frontend and all its funky modules without a tuner card? |
| 14:17 | <o_cee> | just start it up |
| 14:17 | <sfr> | engie: don't select watch tv, that's all. |
| 14:17 | <o_cee> | anyone here who's using tv_grab_sn? |
| 14:17 | <engie> | It doesn't seem to work without a backend, and the mythbackend doesn't seem to run without a tuner |
| 14:18 | <mattfelsen> | it works fine without the backend running |
| 14:18 | <mattfelsen> | only the tv stuff depends on a tuner, so don't select it |
| 14:18 | <engie> | tah |
| 14:18 | <mattfelsen> | and/or edit mainmenu.xml and remove the watch tv button |
| 14:18 | <sfr> | engie: or any tv-related function (e.g. tv guide) |
| 14:18 | <engie> | I'll try again, I could have sworn it died looking for mythbackend |
| 14:19 | <o_cee> | it'll need mysql thou |
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| 14:25 | <mythtv_> | hello gents. Anyone here gotten the Hauppauge grey remote working successfully that could offer a few tips? I had mine working in the very beginning, but now it's not recognizing anything |
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| 14:27 | <_rkulagow> | take a look at the updated HOWTO on the web page. Section 22. |
| 14:30 | <o_cee> | does the --update option for mythfilldatabase affect the way it updates the program info as well? |
| 14:30 | <sfr> | _rkulagow: hi, doesn't LVM actually man logical volume manager and not linux vol...? |
| 14:31 | <_rkulagow> | did i write the wrong thing? hold on. |
| 14:31 | <_rkulagow> | duh, thinko. thanks. |
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| 14:33 | <jbw4> | _rkulagow: are you telling me to look at the HOWTO? |
| 14:33 | <o_cee> | hehe, i think he did. |
| 14:34 | <sfr> | o_cee: only refers to channels afaik. with --update it won't add new channels to the db. |
| 14:34 | <jbw4> | o_cee: ;-) |
| 14:34 | <o_cee> | sfr: okay. trying to figure out what's messing up my listning |
| 14:34 | <jbw4> | sorry...switching back on forth here. working from a tv doesn't give a large amount of real estate ;) |
| 14:35 | <bbeattie> | is anything besides mythtv, web, dvd, video, music, weather, game and gallery in cvs? (is news or browser in there yet?) |
| 14:36 | <o_cee> | news is |
| 14:36 | <o_cee> | the cnn europe listning didn't work though |
| 14:37 | <bbeattie> | .. how stable is myth? I'm throwing a party tonight and am pondering updating, if I for sure won't have problems ;) I'm running cvs from the 16th right now |
| 14:38 | <o_cee> | why'd you want to update? |
| 14:38 | <o_cee> | lots of profiles updates |
| 14:38 | <o_cee> | don't do it :) |
| 14:39 | <_rkulagow> | jbw4: yes. here's my lesson learned. make 100% sure that there aren't other copies of the lirc_i2c and lirc_dev driver sitting around on your box. i didn't know that mandrake included them in the kernel, so i chased my tail for 2 weeks before typing "updatedb" and then "locate lirc" only to find that the lirc install put them one place, and the kernel package in another. the kernel packages "won" when depmod ran, so it was using the |
| 14:39 | <robertj> | hehe |
| 14:39 | <robertj> | rkulagow: i need to battle with my box and install the new kernel I built with lirc built in |
| 14:39 | <robertj> | I *think* I got the right kpkg options |
| 14:39 | <jbw4> | _rkulagow: yes...I think I read a thread of yours on this. I've already gone down that path and am sure that i'm using the o=correct ones. |
| 14:39 | <bbeattie> | .. how stable is myth? I'm throwing a party tonight and am pondering updating, if I for sure won't have problems ;) I'm running cvs from the 16th right now? |
| 14:39 | <jbw4> | but still no output. |
| 14:40 | <bbeattie> | bah, hit up arrow |
| 14:40 | <_rkulagow> | bbl. |
| 14:40 | <bbeattie> | o_cee that was exactly what I was worried about.. so it isn't stable enough right now? |
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| 14:41 | <o_cee> | bbeattie: it took me some time to get the profiles setup again |
| 14:41 | <sfr> | bbeattie: just updated to latest cvs earlier today. looks ok so far. but you might want/need to define profiles. |
| 14:41 | <o_cee> | might have been just me |
| 14:42 | <robertj> | go gadget go! |
| 14:42 | <robertj> | boot boot boot... |
| 14:42 | <robertj> | woot! |
| 14:42 | <robertj> | come on ssh |
| 14:44 | <jbw4> | sigh: o_cee...didn't you tell me once you were using the hauppauge grey? |
| 14:44 | <o_cee> | a.start <= b.start && b.start < a.end <--- that's exactly what happens.. let's see how it's supposed to resolve.. |
| 14:44 | <o_cee> | nope, sorry, not me |
| 14:44 | <o_cee> | never tried it |
| 14:44 | <jbw4> | alright ;-) lucky you |
| 14:45 | <o_cee> | hehe |
| 14:53 | <o_cee> | what is the sub-title thingie used for in the NA listning? |
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| 15:02 | | * robertj gets fed up and rm -rf's /usr/src |
| 15:04 | | * robertj apt-get install's kernel-source-2.6.0-test4 and tries again |
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| 15:27 | <ay> | Anyone with a xbox here? |
| 15:53 | <o_cee> | no :( |
| 15:53 | <o_cee> | but i've thought about getting one many times |
| 15:59 | | * ay runs mythtv on it. |
| 16:01 | <o_cee> | nice? only frontend i guess |
| 16:09 | <ay> | Well. Yes so far. |
| 16:10 | <ay> | I've been looking some usb1.1 tv-cards. See if I can get anything out of that. |
| 16:15 | <o_cee> | enough cpu for that? |
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| 16:18 | <ay> | Probably not. |
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| 16:19 | <ay> | Depends on how much processing is done in the device. |
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| 17:49 | <sfr> | GER-CA 0:1 if anyone cares |
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| 17:57 | <overridex-zzz> | hmmm... i wish there were a key to switch between fullscreen and windowed at a certain res... :) |
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| 17:57 | | * overridex is back (gone 11:27:54) |
| 18:01 | <accurate> | I keep mythtv at 640x480, so it is small in my high res, but I use alt ctrl + to make mythtv fullscreen, then I turn my nvidia tv-out on |
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| 18:16 | <DJHaCK> | is it significantly more load on the backend to supply 3 frontend than to supply just 1 ? |
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| 18:23 | <kwenda> | has anyone figured out how to get two soundcards working in one machine? |
| 18:23 | <kwenda> | ive got two tuners working, but only one soundcard... |
| 18:36 | <tmk> | should just work |
| 18:36 | <tmk> | one on /dev/dsp0 one on /dev/dsp1 |
| 18:38 | | * choenig is back (gone 08:29:21) |
| 18:42 | <kwenda> | yeah, i know how to do it |
| 18:42 | <kwenda> | i cant get the soundcards to both work though |
| 18:42 | <kwenda> | theres gotta be something i'm missing about this |
| 18:43 | <DJHaCK> | at what point does it "not work" ? |
| 18:44 | <DJHaCK> | kernel not seeing card , char dev not appearing or you can play stuff on the 2nd card with xmms but it's mythtv that doesn't work ? |
| 18:46 | <kwenda> | lspci sees both cards, but a device never gets created for it |
| 18:46 | <DJHaCK> | what chipset do they use ? |
| 18:46 | <tmk> | you have to create the device yourself |
| 18:46 | <tmk> | mknod etc |
| 18:46 | <tmk> | or mkdev |
| 18:46 | <kwenda> | /dev/dsp0 is the AC97 built into the motherboard, /dev/dsp1 should be the sblive |
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| 18:47 | <ay> | kwenda: What distribution? devfs? |
| 18:47 | <kwenda> | well, lsmod doesn't pick it up either - the /dev files are there |
| 18:47 | <tmk> | did you insmod it? |
| 18:47 | <kwenda> | RH9 |
| 18:47 | <kwenda> | and i do have devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 18:48 | <DJHaCK> | did you build your own kernel ? |
| 18:48 | <tmk> | insmod sblive or whatever |
| 18:48 | <ay> | Then it's something strange like /dev/sound/foo/bat |
| 18:48 | <DJHaCK> | it's emu10k1 |
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| 18:49 | <kwenda> | insmod emu10k1 made a BUNCH of lines like such: |
| 18:49 | <kwenda> | /lib/modules/2.4.20-8custom/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o: unresolved symbol sound_alloc_mididev_Rba413f87 |
| 18:49 | <tmk> | insmod soundcore |
| 18:49 | <kwenda> | says it already exists |
| 18:49 | <kwenda> | i know this kernel works with this card though - this is the first card i had in here |
| 18:50 | <kwenda> | i added another tuner and re-enabled the internal card in the bios |
| 18:53 | <kwenda> | guess i stumped everyone? |
| 18:54 | <kwenda> | http://www.kylewenda.com/modules.htm is my modules.conf |
| 18:56 | <DJHaCK> | you should rebuild your kernel |
| 18:57 | <ay> | No that shouldn't be necessary. |
| 18:57 | <DJHaCK> | will fix the unresolved symbols |
| 18:57 | <overridex> | shouldn't you be using alsa for multiple soundcards? |
| 18:57 | <ay> | Yes. But the RH9 kernel has so much goodies in it. |
| 18:58 | <ay> | kwenda: One of the cards work now, right? |
| 18:58 | <ay> | Which one? |
| 18:58 | <DJHaCK> | fixing it might take longer than rebuilding the kernel , beside an update to 2.4.22 will only help |
| 18:58 | <kwenda> | ay - the integrated card on the MB is the one that works right now. the SB card is the one that WAS working before. |
| 18:59 | <ay> | dmesg saying anything exciting? |
| 19:00 | <ay> | Which module where you using for sblive earlier? |
| 19:00 | <kwenda> | the emu10k1 |
| 19:01 | <ay> | emu10k1? I thought that was some sort of midi-unit on the sb-cards. |
| 19:02 | <ay> | softmidi. |
| 19:02 | <Chutt> | let's hear it for completely unrelated tech support hour! |
| 19:02 | <ay> | Sorry. |
| 19:04 | <overridex> | do you guys generally run ntpd on your mythtv boxes? |
| 19:04 | <DJHaCK> | I do.. |
| 19:06 | <kwenda> | i guess i have no clue what my modules.conf SHOULD look like |
| 19:07 | <overridex> | anyone using a stb with an ir blaster here? |
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| 19:13 | <DJHaCK> | does mythtv use tcp broadcast/multicast for sending video to the frontends ? I want to know , do I need a super beefy machine to serve like 4 frontend all listening to the same thing (livetv) |
| 19:18 | <kwenda> | so do i, or do i not, need to recompile the kernel on this beast? |
| 19:18 | <DJHaCK> | you should |
| 19:19 | <kwenda> | is there anything special i need to remember when i do it? obviously im going to include v4l, emu10k1, and ac_97, end eepro100 |
| 19:20 | <overridex> | DJHaCK: i was wondering about that... just started using mythtv, but should i be able to run a frontend on my laptop and watch tv off my mythtv box across my network? |
| 19:20 | <DJHaCK> | get lastest linux-vanilla , unpack in /usr/src , make menuconfig , then go through every kernel option and evaluate if you need it , also the Kernel-HOWTO is a very good source of info (not meaning that you shoudl RTFM though) |
| 19:21 | <DJHaCK> | overridex , yes that's doable |
| 19:21 | <overridex> | DJHaCK: very cool, any idea how much bandwidth it'd need? i wonder if i could do it across a wireless connection |
| 19:22 | <kwenda> | yeah, ive compiled several kernels before, just never on RH. im confused as to this soundcore |
| 19:22 | <DJHaCK> | low , 2200Kbit/s for high quality |
| 19:22 | <kwenda> | do i need it or not? |
| 19:22 | <overridex> | DJHaCK: cool, that's not too bad.... |
| 19:23 | <DJHaCK> | kwenda that's part of oss , if you modprobe emu10k1 it'll load it automatically , but I usually make monolithic kernel so just answer Y to all the modules you need when doing "make menuconfig" |
| 19:24 | <kwenda> | hmm... would the 2 cards work better, do you think, if i built them into the kernel and did away with modules altogether? |
| 19:26 | <DJHaCK> | it would just work .. it'll take a lot of guesswork out of making it work |
| 19:26 | <kwenda> | alright, compiling kernel with zero modules then |
| 19:28 | <overridex> | hmmm |
| 19:28 | <overridex> | anyone patched mplayer to play the .nuv files mythtv generates? |
| 19:29 | <overridex> | i get a garbled green frame every so often with playback in mplayer that doesn't happen with playback in mythtv.... |
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| 19:30 | <DJHaCK> | have you tried to play some reference video ? |
| 19:31 | <overridex> | reference video? |
| 19:32 | <DJHaCK> | known good video , to make sure it's that type of file that's not working and not every file |
| 19:32 | <DJHaCK> | maybe with -vo x11 output ? |
| 19:32 | <overridex> | still does it with -vo x11 |
| 19:33 | <DJHaCK> | do you have some other video files ? maybe an avi or something ? |
| 19:33 | <overridex> | oh, yeah those all play ok |
| 19:33 | <overridex> | just no other .nuv files |
| 19:33 | <overridex> | only the ones i recorded... |
| 19:34 | <overridex> | maybe i'll just upgrade to cvs and try the transcoding to svcd stuff that i've seen on the mailing list... |
| 19:34 | <overridex> | all i really wanted the mplayer support for was to use mencoder to convert them to another format and burn them |
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| 19:59 | <kwenda> | ugh that didnt work |
| 19:59 | <kwenda> | it broke VFS |
| 20:05 | <kwenda> | that was easier to fix |
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| 20:13 | | * overridex thinks this hockey season will be quite nice with mythtv :) |
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| 20:21 | <mattfelsen> | when trying to watch tv, i get.. |
| 20:21 | <mattfelsen> | Could not open audio device: /dev/dsp |
| 20:21 | <mattfelsen> | open: No such device |
| 20:21 | <mattfelsen> | and myth was working a day or two ago |
| 20:22 | <mattfelsen> | mythtv is in the audio group and has permissions.. |
| 20:23 | <mattfelsen> | i get a black screen with no audio |
| 20:23 | <mattfelsen> | and hitting escape does nothing |
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| 20:24 | <mattfelsen> | i just did a clean build of everything today |
| 20:24 | <mattfelsen> | and i set my recording profiles... |
| 20:24 | <mattfelsen> | don't know what's wrong |
| 20:31 | <mattfelsen> | nothin? |
| 20:31 | <kwenda> | hoHO rock the house, both cards now accept "cat /dev/random > /dev/dspX" |
| 20:32 | <overridex> | that must sound pleasant |