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06:46<o_cee>Chutt: still no opinion on my problem? i'd just like to know how you'd like it to be solved.
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07:48<vektor>Chutt: xmltv timezones seem to suck like no other
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09:00<o_cee>very quiet today.
09:00<warlord>don't complain...
09:00<warlord>i wonder if there is some way to tell mythtv to prefer a particular encoder when viewing livetv.
09:01<warlord>(but that NOT be the prefered encoder for recording)
09:01<o_cee>don't think so..
09:01<o_cee>cvs still unplugged? :/
09:01<sfr>warlord: you read my mind. i'll get a 2nd tuner soon and was wondering the same.
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09:02<o_cee>haven't looked at that at all since i only have one card
09:02<warlord>sfr: well, my problem right now is that I've got digital cable.. But I dont need to cable-box to get channels 2-97. The problem is that livetv wont switch between alternate encoders, so there is NO WAY for me to tune to the digital channels (which happens to be on encoder #3)
09:04<warlord>Most of my recording is off of regular cable (2-97), so it could use encoders #1 and #2 the vast majority of the time... But that presumes I could get mythtv to default live-tv to encoder 3.
09:09<warlord>Honestly, I'd rather give mythtv the opportunity to change encoders for livetv.
09:11<mecraw_>warlord: i've been thinking about a similar problem
09:12<mecraw_>i, too, have digital cable and analog coming into mythtv
09:12<mecraw_>i actually removed the analog channels from the digital video source so it uses analog for channels below 120
09:13<mecraw_>except for the pay channels like hbo
09:13<mecraw_>my frustration is not being able to watch channel 9 on analog, then type channel 180 and have it switch to the digital input
09:14<mecraw_>i'm planning to write a patch for this at some point, but it gets more complex the more i think about it
09:15<warlord>mecraw_: yes, that is exactly the problem I face.. and that's exactly my wish..
09:15<mecraw_>problems arise with multiple tuners cards each having multiple inputs with video souces that have the same programming but different channel numbers...
09:16<mecraw_>there needs to be some sort of tuner/video source preference information stored
09:16<warlord>Yea.. but I'm assuming a 1:1 mapping of channel <-> input source
09:16<warlord>(even if an input source is duplicated on multiple encoder inputs)
09:16<mecraw_>not a good assumption to make, though
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09:17<warlord>No, it's not.. But it's a _simplifying_ assumption ;)
09:17<mecraw_>i get Bravo on analog on channel 61, and it's also on digital channel 180
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09:17<warlord>mecraw: sure, but you only have a single instance of "channel 61"
09:17<mecraw>does anyone know if channel callsigns are unique with regards to their programming?
09:18<warlord>I dont know.
09:18<mecraw>warlord: right, but if i want to tape west wing on bravo, they are really both the same
09:19<warlord>mecraw: true..
09:19<mecraw>but what if i had satellite that had a channel 61 that had something completely different on it?
09:19<warlord>but the program ID would be the same for both channels.
09:19<warlord>then your EPG would be very screwed up...
09:19<mecraw>is it?
09:20<warlord>I dont know... you tell me -- run xmltv and look at the output.
09:23<mecraw>how do i run xmltv on its own? i only use it via mythfilldatabase
09:26<mecraw>I also want to look into a way to consolidate channels in the EPG that have the same programming, so far the callsign seems like a possibility in the US
09:26<warlord>Well, it's not quite accurate, because you might have "HBO East" and "HBO West" both called "HBO"
09:27<mecraw>but isn't HBO East's callsign actually something like hboe?
09:27<warlord>but I think you can just run the xmltv grab_na code by hand. I dont know the command-line offhand -- try running mythfilldatabase and run "ps" to find it.
09:28<warlord>mecraw: I dont know.. It _might_ be, but I dont think so.. If you're in the East then "HBO" is HBO East, and if you're in the west, then "HBO" is HBO West -- it depends on your zipcode
09:29<mecraw>i wonder how we can find out
09:29<warlord>i dont know..
09:30<warlord>in my case there is no channel overlap.. (well, there IS, but I blocked it all)
09:31<warlord>The first time through I got double-channels :)
09:32<mecraw>i had the same thing, very annoying
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09:33<warlord>so i just removed the duplicates, because I can get all the channels via non-digital cable.
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09:35<racer32>cvs is down?
09:36<warlord>Is it?
09:36<Chutt>i'm doing stuff to the machine.
09:37<Chutt>probably be back in 10-15 minutes.
09:37<racer32>thnx man
09:37<racer32>i installed in the weekend a pvr350 in stead of a wintv pci
09:37<racer32>i also updated to the latest cvs
09:38<racer32>but now i have profiles in my setup screen
09:38<racer32>if i go to the Hauppauge profile
09:38<racer32>than things don't work as far i see
09:39<racer32>how can i select a different resolution? instead of 480x480
09:39<Chutt>you switch it to a different resolution.
09:40<racer32>is this a joke? :)
09:40<Chutt>you're not making any sense
09:41<racer32>sorry for my english
09:41<racer32>i'm dutch
09:41<warlord>racer: set your Default and LiveTV settings to whatever resolution you want.
09:41<Chutt>that's all there is to it
09:41<racer32>in the past i had default and live tv
09:41<racer32>but its gone now
09:41<Chutt>ah, you updated cvs at the wrong time
09:42<racer32>i only have hauppauge (pvr250 pvr350)
09:42<Chutt>you get to fix your database manually
09:42<racer32>and transcoding
09:42<Chutt>have fun.
09:42<Chutt>things were broken if you were using mysql 3.x for a day or so
09:43<Chutt>i figure people using cvs should be able to fix things themselves
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09:43<racer32>think it will be no problem if i know what to fic
09:43<Chutt>if they can't, they shouldn't be using cvs in the first place.
09:43<racer32>youre right
09:43<mecraw>Chutt: was my backtrace for the "Mythfrontend hangs" thread useful at all?
09:43<warlord>racer32: I believe there was email to -dev with the SQL patch, but I could be misremembering
09:44<Chutt>mecraw, no, sorry
09:44<Chutt>warlord, yup
09:44<racer32>sorry i'm only on the commits mail list
09:45<Chutt>it's waiting on data from the backend
09:45<racer32>so the sql patch would be nice, saves me a lot of time i think
09:45<mecraw>Chutt: any idea why the backend backtrace had so little info in it?
09:45<Chutt>without a good backtrace from there, it's kinda useless =)
09:45<Chutt>mecraw, nope, no idea
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09:45<mecraw>i've been trying to get one, it's just hard to get it to happen in the first place and then the box becomes unresponsive too quickly to get it
09:46<mecraw>i'll keep trying
09:46<warlord>mecraw: how much RAM do you have?
09:46<mecraw>shuold I not even worry about getting the frontend backtrace then?
09:46<Chutt>racer32, libs/libmythtv/dbcheck.cpp
09:46<Chutt>look at the changes through viewcvs
09:46<Chutt>mecraw, well, having both is nice
09:47<mecraw>Chutt: ok
09:47<warlord>hmm... swap?
09:47<Chutt>warlord, oh, the pip stuff should be fixed
09:47<warlord>(unresponsiveness usually means either 100% CPU utilization, or out of memory)
09:47<racer32>ok thnx I.
09:48<warlord>Chutt: oh, you fixed the swap/active problem? Cool. What was the problem?
09:48<_rkulagow>chutt: how did that backtrace example i emailed look? any better, details wise?
09:48<Chutt>it was caching the channel number too long
09:48<Chutt>on the pip window
09:48<Chutt>rkulagow, well, no =)
09:48<warlord>Cool. I'll update it later today (software is in use at the moment)
09:49<Chutt>it had info from libc
09:49<_rkulagow>damn. i think it's because pthreads is stripped.
09:49<mecraw>warlord: unfortunately i can't even run top to see what is doing what once it happens, i'll have to start it first from now on
09:49<Chutt>but nothing from mythtv
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09:49<Chutt>well, for some threads
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09:52<racer32>thnx guys will have a try to fix things!
09:52<racer32>thnx for this great program!
09:58<m0j0>Chutt: Did my second backtrace (after running 'cont') for my "Live TV locks" thread contain any useful data for this issue?
09:58<Chutt>the second one killed off some stuff since the frontend was gone
09:58<Chutt>so it wasn't as useful
09:58<Chutt>but that hang, and the one you sent in previously
09:59<Chutt>were both waiting on mysql
09:59<Chutt>which i find interesting
09:59<warlord>maybe we should change mythtv to use postgres? ;)
10:00<Chutt>i doubt that'd help
10:00<Chutt>unless its client library can handle multithreaded lookups
10:00<Chutt>on a single connection
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10:00<Chutt>that would simplify things
10:00<warlord>Hmm, *that* I dont know -- I think it still wants one connection per thread.
10:01<warlord>(using TLS)
10:01<m0j0>is it possible I have some messed-up data in the DB causing issues?
10:01<Chutt>yeah, so doesn't really help
10:01<Chutt>m0j0, i'd doubt it
10:03<Chutt>i'd _really_ like it if someone with that problem could revert back to various cvs checkins and see what broke it
10:05<m0j0>ahhh... I'll try to find some time this week to try different version. Unfortunately, I don't really remember when I started having this issue... duh.
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10:11<tmk>feeling better today?
10:12<Chutt>i did narrow it down to the dma operation
10:12<warlord>hiya tmk
10:12<Chutt>that just totally messes up X for me
10:12<tmk>wonder if you're opening the wrong /dev/fb device
10:12<tmk>hmm probably not
10:12<Chutt>your example code does the same stuff
10:13<Chutt>once that dma happens, stuff in X starts dying
10:13<tmk>did you commit anything?
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10:13<Chutt>some stuff to mythtv, yeah
10:13<Chutt>but i have no idea if it works or not
10:13<tmk>i'll try it out
10:13<Chutt>but it should give you an idea of how it should look
10:13<tmk>yeah i'll make my patented 2 line patches
10:14<tmk>and heya warlord
10:15<tmk>does it kill x? or just make it look funny
10:15<Chutt>stuff starts dying
10:15<Chutt>and i can't restart it
10:15<Chutt>like if i have kmail open, it can't open any more windows once it goes weird.
10:16<tmk>i haven't tried opening any new windows
10:16<Chutt>anything that makes a borderless window dies
10:16<Chutt>it's really quite strange
10:17<tmk>yeah i bet that'd be annoying
10:17<tmk>does it still reboot your box all the time?
10:17<Chutt>if i exit out of X
10:17<Chutt>it hangs the machine
10:17<tmk>yeah that's not happening
10:17<tmk>does it hang
10:17<Chutt>not all the time
10:17<tmk>or does the console go out the tv-out
10:18<Chutt>but it does occasionally
10:18<tmk>i get the console out the tv-out, black on black
10:18<tmk>all i see is the cursor blinking
10:18<Chutt>anyway, try out what i checked into cvs
10:19<tmk>err .. will-do
10:19<tmk>seeking's still borked for the pvr .nuv files btw
10:19<Chutt>try with current cvs
10:19<tmk>it'll randomly skip 10mins when i hit the right-arrow
10:19<warlord>tmk: how are they b0rked?
10:20<tmk>i just said it :)
10:20<Chutt>bruce markey committed some stuff
10:20<Chutt>there's also another fix i have to put in
10:20<warlord>hmm, i haven't noticed that...
10:20<tmk>cool i'll try it
10:20<tmk>it sucks when watching sports
10:20<warlord>OBTW, the slow-mo patch is REALLY cool. :)
10:21<tmk>which on'es that
10:21<warlord>I wonder if it's possible to slow it down more than 1/16?
10:21<tmk>you have a pvr350 i take it :)
10:21<Chutt>warlord, it's only for the ivtv decoder
10:22<warlord>my bad
10:22<Chutt>tmk, software playback can do smooth slow-mo/ff
10:22<Chutt>too :p
10:22<tmk>does myth use the speed ioctls on the pvr350
10:22<tmk>i've never tried actually ff'd ing
10:22<tmk>i just skip
10:23<Chutt>it doesn't
10:23<warlord>Perhaps it's just me, but I'm seeing some combination of pixelation and playback jumps using livetv (pvr-250 + s/w playback)
10:23<Chutt>was waiting to get stuff actually, ya know, _working_ for that
10:24<tmk>i feel lunch coming on
10:24<Chutt>warlord, if you have an nvidia card, turn on the 'experimental av sync' option
10:24<Chutt>in playback settings
10:24<Chutt>should smooth playback out
10:24<warlord>I do.. do I need anything in the X config?
10:24<Chutt>just have to be using the nvidia driver, version 4363
10:24<Chutt>not 4496
10:25<warlord>Hm, not sure which one I've got...
10:26<Chutt>cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
10:27<warlord>I can't get into the machine at the moment (and ssh is dead)...
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10:28<warlord>Anyways, I turned on the feature.. it doesn't look different.
10:28<warlord>(but I think I've got the 4496 driver)
10:28<Chutt>it smooths out jitter
10:29<Chutt>doesn't make it look different
10:29<Chutt>but if you're using 4496, it makes playback very jerky
10:29<warlord>Yea... Let me go turn it back off.. ;)
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10:30* kvandivo is glad that he hasn't yet upgraded to 4496.
10:31<nulltank>overridex: i couldn't get mythtv to work with the pvr-250 remote natively; i'm just running irxevent and it works fine
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10:48<mato>better :)
10:48<mato>glad to see there's a channel devoted to mythtv
10:48<mato>i'm having problems to have it running...
10:48<mato>i can only see a blank screen and only hear the audio
10:48<mato>what am i doing wrong?
10:49<kvandivo>i don't suppose the screen saver has kicked on, has it?
10:49<o_cee>Chutt: did you see my messages (here) about the conflict resolution problem?
10:50<mato>i start kde, and a second after, mythtvfrontend, and when i click Live TV i can only see a blank screen
10:50<warlord>are color/brightness settings "sticky"?
10:50<o_cee>warlord: per channel
10:50<sfr>mato: did you read: ?
10:51<warlord>Ugg... There are no "global" settings??
10:51<mato>sfr: sure, i think i've checked all, but....
10:51<warlord>Chutt: FYI: NVRM version: NVIDIA Linux x86 nvidia.o Kernel Module 1.0-4496 Wed Jul 16 19:03:09 PDT 2003
10:52<sfr>mato: i'd say your audio setup is not ok. what you hear is simply the audio-out from the tv-card.
10:53<mato>so, what can i do?
10:53<mato>i only told mythtv to get audio from /dev/dsp
10:53<o_cee>look at the lists and follow the howto, it's the most commonly discussed problem.
10:54<sfr>mato: did you try the xawtv/aplay test?
10:54<mato>no, but i'm watching tv right now with xawtv...
10:55<mato>what must i do?
10:55<sfr>mato: read:
10:56<sfr>mato: mute line-in (or wherever you connected the audio-out of you tuner card) and start aplay /dev/dsp. see if you get sound
10:56<mato>let me check that...
11:01<mato>apt-getting alsa ;)
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11:04<mato>no such device
11:05<mato>what can i do?
11:07<mato>is it possible for me not to have /dev/dsp device?
11:07<mato>i'm using a via card integrated in my mother board...
11:08<warlord>Hmm, looks like I get to perform a global replace on colour and hue on all channels, once I get a good baseline setting.
11:09<kvandivo>if you check the archives i remember ijr giving the exact sql to do that.. it's not that difficult
11:10<mato>seems that /dev/dsp is not working, what can i do?
11:10<kja>try loading a sound driver?
11:11<warlord>Yea, I know it's not hard...
11:11<warlord>finding the correct defaults is more challenging..
11:12<warlord>(is it a record or playback default?)
11:12<kvandivo>go to live tv, and play with f1-f4 until you get it how you want it
11:13<kvandivo>that's brightness/contrast... color and hue are the higher f's, i believe.. keys.txt tells
11:14<warlord>So it only works with livetv, not replay?
11:14<kvandivo>it's a record thing. doesn't have an effect on playback
11:14<warlord>Ah, oh well... :(
11:14<kvandivo>at least with the 250 it is that way. i assume it is that way for software encoders as well
11:16<warlord>"update channel set colour=xxx;"
11:16<kvandivo>sounds right
11:18<warlord>Well, I got that from
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11:58<dexter>are there any uk mythtv users here?
11:58-!-dexter is now known as dexter`
12:01<dexter`>can someone please give me a hand getting mythtv to recognise more than 2 channels? :/
12:01<dexter`>it's been driving me mad for days now
12:02<dexter`>i've even tried manually adding them to the database
12:02<dexter`>with no success
12:04<warlord>doesxmltv not find your channels?
12:04<Chutt>xmltv in the _uk sucks.
12:04<dexter`>tv_grab_uk finds them
12:04<Chutt>same with everywhere other than tv_grab_na, actually
12:05<dexter`>but mythfilldatabase selects only 2 out of 607
12:05<dexter`>and those are the 2 i'm stuck with
12:05<Chutt>you have to run --manual.
12:05<Chutt>and input everything
12:05<dexter`>i did that and it didn't change anything
12:05<Chutt>other than that, no, there's not all that many uk users
12:05<dexter`>i reran it and it even remembered what i put in before
12:05<dexter`>mythweb shows all the channels
12:06<dexter`>but only program details for the 2 working ones
12:06<o_cee>Chutt: are you ignoring my polite questions or are you just plain busy? i'm not asking you to do anything more than input your opinion on the best solution.
12:07<Chutt>i'm busy, and i really don't care.
12:07<Chutt>it's not an issue for me, as my guide data doesn't suck.
12:07<o_cee>if i'd work out a solution, i want to do something that would get accepted, that's why i'm asking on how you feel it should be done.
12:09<Chutt>do it first, then ask.
12:09<Chutt>don't expect me to tell you how to do it.
12:09<kvandivo>(it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission?) :)
12:10<warlord>well, it's nicer to a developer to get some pre-work commitment so you dont spend hours and hours of work on something that will be turned down outright.
12:10<warlord>Now, having said that, Chutt seems like a reasonable gatekeeper.
12:10<Chutt>how the hell will i know if i'm going to turn it down outright without seeing the code?
12:10<o_cee>you might have an idea of how you _don't_ want it to be :)
12:11<o_cee>i just thought i'd ask first, that's all.
12:11<warlord>well, you might have a pre-existing notion for how a certain feature should work..
12:11<Chutt>that would require work on my part.
12:11<Chutt>as this is for something i could care less about...
12:11<o_cee>just saying so would have helped me :)
12:11<warlord>o_cee: i say you should just go off and do it, and send your changes to -dev
12:12<warlord>(not that i'm sure what "it" is ;)
12:12<warlord>that way you dont use up Chutt's valuable time...
12:12* o_cee wishes we had better xml data here :/
12:12<Chutt>it's just annoying to have people ask how to do things
12:13<Chutt>if i have to explain in enough detail how to do it, i might as well just do it
12:13<o_cee>i'm not asking how to do things in that way man, you misunderstand my intentions.
12:14<kvandivo>for those of you that are in the US... Have you been to Dairy Queen yet today to get your free ice cream cone?
12:14<warlord>oh, that's TODAY?
12:15<GreyFoxx>Free today ? What for ?
12:15<kvandivo>today is the 100th anniversary of the ice cream cone.
12:15<GreyFoxx>Cool. I'll have to check the one on the way home and see if they are doing it here as well (Canada)
12:16<o_cee>Chutt: i'll see what i can come up with, and we'll see then, okay? :) friends?
12:17<sfr>o_cee: come up with what?
12:17<o_cee>sfr: my xmltv info for a channel is formatted so that mythfilldatabase misinterprets it sometimes.
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12:48<o_cee>anyone from sweden here? guess not
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12:48<o_cee>might write a new parser for the swedish site. ah well, g'night
12:48<warlord>good night, o_cee
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13:03<dexter`>can anyone tell me what I might have done to make mythfilldatabase --manual say "DB Error: Channel insert failed" for every channel I add?
13:05<Chutt>sfr, did you attach the patch to that email?
13:06<sfr>huh? that was fast ;) i'm just sending it again.
13:07<Chutt>ok, so you did forget it =)
13:07<Chutt>i wasn't sure if i just wasn't seeing it or not
13:07<sfr>Chutt: no, it's not your eyes.
13:09<warlord>hey, here's a cool feature... If you're watching PiP and then enter the EPG the sample picture still includes the PiP double-image.. And if you choose a channel to watch from the EPG, it will affect the currently-active PiP window. neat!
13:10<sfr>warlord: isn't the PiP just a little too small?
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17:13<warlord>well, yea, it is..
17:13<warlord>but it works (and doesn't crash)
17:13<warlord>right now I'm trying to fix the colors...
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17:17<kvandivo>something I've been curious about with the PIP. Try as I might, I can't get it to do anything since I don't have two tuners. Is there a technical reason that two tuners are required? Why can't I having a recording going in one, and live tv in another, or even two recordings?
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17:17<henry_>OK, I feel a little dumb here. But I've installed mythmusic and can't get into the setup screen.
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17:18<sfr>Chutt: do you remember who sumbitted the patch for the 16:3->4:3 scaling?
17:19<sfr>henry_: you compiled mythmusic from source? check in the terminal for errors.
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17:19<kvandivo>the toggle?;search_string=16%3A9%204%3A3;guest=1231395&t=search_engine#77444
17:20<sfr>kvandivo: thanks!
17:21<henry_>No, the make and make install went cleanly. ran the metadata.sql in the musicdb directory, checked it with mysql.
17:21<henry_>mythweather and mythvideo seem fine (I can get to the setup menus).
17:22<warlord>w00t. colors are right!
17:22<warlord>update channel set brightness=36698, colour=19668, hue=32768;
17:22<sfr>henry_: but do you see an error message in the terminal like: plugin not initialised when going into music settings.
17:25<henry_>I'll have to start it from another machine for reasons that I'm sure you're not interested in.
17:26<henry_>Is there a way to exit mythfrontend (I've been alt-ctrl-bksp and exiting X)?
17:27<sfr>henry_: try alt-esc or esc only.
17:27<henry_>esc doesn't work, that I tried.
17:28<Chutt>you have to set up the exit key.
17:29<henry_>OK, I trust its in the docs somewhere.
17:30<henry_>Unable to run plugin 'mythmusic': not initialized
17:31<warlord>did you create the db tables?
17:32<warlord>put a .mp3 or .ogg into your music data directory and then run the mythmusic scan?
17:32<henry_>OK, what is the default for the music data directory (since I can't get into setup)?
17:32<sfr>henry_: i'm sure Chutt will correct me on this, but it might be your mythmusic sources need a more current libmyth. At least they both don't match.
17:33<henry_>hmm, everything I'm working from is mythxxx-0.11
17:34<kvandivo>did you dl all of it and compile it at the same time? if any of it is from cvs, just being the same major version number doesn't guarantee that the library versions have the same minor numbers
17:34<kvandivo>( "all of it" meaning mythtv as well as mythmusic )
17:34<sfr>henry_: but maybe you compiled mythmusic against an older version of the myth libs. happened to me. or you need to run a make distclean in the mythmusic dir first.
17:35<henry_>I'll look into it, but since this has been my first install, I'm guessing there's not a previous version out there.
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17:36<henry_>The only thing I've pulled out of cvs was the zoran driver for my dc10+
17:37<sfr>henry_: did you consider using the debian packages or the rpm's?
17:37<kvandivo>and everything else was the official myth 11 distribution?
17:37<henry_>no, I'm one those who has to compile everything that's on my machine (I should see somebody about that).
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17:38<sfr>henry_: i never understood that. Debian. Just Do it. :)
17:39<henry_>I'm a RH, Mandrake, gentoo kinda guy.
17:39<warlord>weird.. playback just hung. does the automatic commerical skip not work right?
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17:45<henry_>It is a little annoying that Mandrake 9.1 has a cdparanoia rpm but not a cdparanoia-devel.
17:45<duende>Question : Is there a way to use Lirc other then with irxevent? I do other things while mythtv is running, and myth keeps loosing focus.
17:45<warlord>duende: you can tell itxevent which window(s) to send events to.
17:45<warlord>(i.e., it doesn't have to be "CurrentWindow")
17:46<duende>warlord, off the top of your head, do you know how? Is it in the .lircrc file?
17:47<duende>it works, thanks
17:47<warlord>look for examples on the web..
17:48<duende>I got tv-out set up, and I wanted Myth to run constantly on it
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17:48<duende>now, if only i could figure out how to get sound to my tv, but that's for a different day
17:48<duende>warlord, thanks!
17:50<warlord>you';re welcome
17:51<henry_>forgot to do an ldconfig after installing libcdaudio into /usr/local/lib (ldd on showed not found).
17:51<henry_>I can now get to the menus.
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17:59<warlord>UI question: is there some way to make the checkboxes bigger? they are very hard to read on my TV screen (even though I've got a 27" screen)
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18:09<mato>i mean, i can't get mythtv to work, i only see a blank screen, it surely is because myth can't access /dev/dsp
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18:09<sfr>mato: what does ls /dev/dsp* say?
18:10<mato>what can i do, i own a via 82xxx card
18:10<mato>sfr: it only shows one /dev/dsp
18:11<sfr>mato: can you paste the output of ls -l /dev/dsp* ?
18:11<mato>"/dev/dsp /dev/dsp0 /dev/dsp1 /dev/dsp2 /dev/dsp3"
18:11<sfr>mato: i count 4 dsp devices :)
18:12<mato>:), you're right :)
18:12<mato>i'm using the built-in kernel via82xxx driver
18:12<mato>it worked ok until now...
18:13<mato>fuser /dev/dsp
18:13<mato>fuser /dev/dsp0
18:13<mato>fuser -v /dev/dsp
18:13<mato>fuser -v /dev/dsp0
18:14<sfr>mato: xawtv still works?
18:14<mato>yes xawtv works, but the soud is from inline
18:16<sfr>mato: can you try using rec, its part of sox.
18:17<sfr>mato: start xawtv and try to record audio with 'rec'.
18:19<mato>sorry, i can't install sox
18:20<sfr>why not?
18:20<mato>i', using kde 3.1 in sarge and installing sox will erase my kde instalation
18:20<mato>because of certain dependencies with libvorbis
18:21<sfr>mato: if you checked everything else, you still could try the alsa drivers.
18:21<mato>but, i'm a bit lost with alsa
18:22<mato>in debian i only have modules for 2.4.16 kernel, but i'm using 2.4.21
18:23<sfr>mato: install alsa-source
18:23<DJHaCK>you'll have to compile alsa-driver alsa-oss and alsa-lib from scratch
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18:30<mato>compiling right now....
18:32<sfr>is there a description of these icons in the watch-recordings screen? spec. for the hammer and the crossed $
18:33<kvandivo>hammer means that it is commercial skipping or otherwise doing stuff...
18:33<kvandivo>crossed $ means that commercials have already been detected
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18:33<kvandivo>open book means that a bookmark has been set for the show
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18:34<sfr>kvandivo: yeah i figured that and the gravestone.
18:34<warlord>Hmm, I _thought_ i had my digital cable channels working, but now it wont tune them..
18:35<DJHaCK>does mythtv have native alsa support ?
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18:37<sfr>DJHaCK: yes but you have to enable it manually in the db. search the archives on how to do it. i'm using oss.
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18:38<mythtv_newbie>Hi everybody.. Can somebody help me w/ gdb & backtraces? (I apologize for being a newbie!)
18:39<warlord>did you follow the instructions at
18:39<mythtv_newbie>yes... here's my problem..
18:39<mythtv_newbie>the backend locks up and I don't get a chance to ctrl^c out..
18:39<mythtv_newbie>can't even login ssh :(
18:40<kvandivo>myth shouldn't ever be able to do that. sounds like there is some other problem
18:40<mythtv_newbie>does myth crash a lot for others too?
18:40<mythtv_newbie>(well, the system that is)
18:41<kvandivo>i don't think i've ever had it take my system out
18:41<kvandivo>(and it _shouldn't_ be able to)
18:41<mythtv_newbie>wow.. what hardware do you have?
18:41<sfr>mythtv_newbie: the system? never did. itself? hmm, yes
18:42<mythtv_newbie>I'm running on a Leadtek K7NCR18G-Pro2 w/ 512 meg of PC3200.. PNY GeForce4 MX 440
18:42<henry_>Never crashed the system, had video freeze while watching livetv
18:42<mythtv_newbie>I can watch TV sometimes for a minute, sometimes for days..
18:42<kvandivo>when does it hang, newb?
18:42<kvandivo>ever hang in recordings, or just live tv?
18:42<mythtv_newbie>when I record or pause for a while... or instant record
18:42<mythtv_newbie>yes, on Live TV too
18:42<mythtv_newbie>(not as much as when recording though)
18:42<kvandivo>what tuner card?
18:42<mythtv_newbie>ATI TV Wonder VE
18:43<mythtv_newbie>and Hercules Fortissimo2 soundcard
18:43<kvandivo>are you running the newest versions of all the drivers?
18:43<mythtv_newbie>also, had big problems w/ 0.10
18:43<mythtv_newbie>upgraded to 0.11 (and a few less problems)
18:43<kvandivo>you ever do any other high bandwidth type applications?
18:43<mythtv_newbie>now am running CVS
18:43<mythtv_newbie>sometimes... mostly just large ftp
18:44<kvandivo>i'm wondering if you have memory or disk problems
18:44<mythtv_newbie>but not when I'm running myth
18:44<mythtv_newbie>I've even set my bios to "optimal" settings
18:44<mythtv_newbie>I do have onboard stuff (another GF4 & sound), but I've disabled them..
18:44<mythtv_newbie>could that be messing things up?
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18:45<mythtv_newbie>dma is on too...
18:45<mythtv_newbie>160 gb hard drive (7200 rpm)
18:45<mythtv_newbie>could the fact that I run it as root be at fault?
18:45<mythtv_newbie>(backend & frontend)
18:46<sfr>kvandivo: i don't think so. been there, tested everything.
18:46<kvandivo>although many would consider that unwise, that shouldn't cause it to lock
18:46<kvandivo>sfr: you mean you tested the hardware thoroughly?
18:46<mythtv_newbie>yea... I took off windows b/c it was VERY stable
18:46<mythtv_newbie>installed MDK 9.1
18:47<mythtv_newbie>and love it...
18:47<mythtv_newbie>I never have any problems (crashing/etc) with anything else..
18:47<mythtv_newbie>uptime of many, many days...
18:47<sfr>kvandivo: yes, very. in the end a code rewrite by Chutt fixed one smp-related bug.
18:47<kvandivo>that's why i was wondering if you had any other progs that you ran regularly that had a similar profile to myth (extremely high bandwidth)
18:47<mythtv_newbie>but when I launch mythbackend (or frontend) it crashes after a bit
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18:48<mythtv_newbie>play quake all the time! :) (not when I'm running myth though..)
18:48<kvandivo>do you mean 'locks' or 'crashes'
18:48<mythtv_newbie>sometimes it simply locks and I can either force quit or kill...
18:48<kvandivo>if it 'crashes' then gdb could be used
18:48<mythtv_newbie>but most of the time (~ 90%) it hard locks up and I can't seem to figure out gdb
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18:48<henry_>Can mythmusic use existing m3u playlists?
18:49<mythtv_newbie>can't say that I've ever tried
18:49<mythtv_newbie>mythmusic works great!
18:49<mythtv_newbie>weather works great, video works great, web works great..
18:49<henry_>you beat me to saying it, so "I second that".
18:49<kvandivo>typically, if a system is locking, either hardware is going bad, or drivers are causing problems. since myth doesn't do that to me, I can't provide much else
18:50<mythtv_newbie>that's cool... thanks for trying! :)
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18:50<mato>the alsa drivers just hang my machine
18:50<mythtv_newbie>anybody know the newest NV driver release # ?
18:50<sfr>henry_: not yet, and it might take q while until it does (i'm working on s/t related that might add this function)
18:51<kvandivo>hmmmm.. time to go. later, all
18:52<mythtv_newbie>nevermind... 4496 :)
18:52<dopez>mythtv_newbie: it seems the nforce2 chipset is very sensitive with memory (or at least the board i had) everything would work 'ok' but compiles would segfault once in a while and sometimes hard lockups, try running memtest86 a few passes
18:52<henry_>Thanks sfr.
18:52<kvandivo>some would recomment 4463 instead of 96...
18:52<sfr>henry_: thank me once it's finished. :)
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18:52<henry_>This time was for the answer.
18:53<sfr>henry_: ok
18:53<mythtv_newbie>dopez - don't have that one... what is it?
18:53<dopez>mythtv_newbie: google ;)
18:57<henry_>anybody got htpc enclosure recommendations?
18:58<DJHaCK>IN-WIN L545
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18:58<henry_>DJHaCK: sorry, was that in response to my query?
19:02<henry_>nice looking case, but I just sold my house and was hoping to get in a few lap dances and buy a few toys before I have to dump it back into another one so I was considering overpaying for something like an Ahanix D.Vine.
19:04<mythtv_newbie>dopez -- I'll give memtest86 a try.. thanks!
19:04<mythtv_newbie>be back later..
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19:05<DJHaCK>eek ! 600 bucks !
19:06<henry_>which one. The one I was looking at was $230.
19:07<DJHaCK>the one with the VFD/control board/remote 600CAD .. 230 is more sensible though , the finish is real nice
19:08<henry_>Well, the VFD, silent power supplya nd remote add $129 on top of the $230.
19:09<henry_>I was llooking at
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19:13<henry_>and lastly,
19:18<tmk>you guys discussing cases?
19:20<henry_>I was sort of rambling, hoping to get input before I shelled out dough.
19:20<tmk>i see
19:20<tmk>can you msg me the list? i don't want to spam the channel :)
19:21<henry_>Not sure, just moved, new connection, new firewall.
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19:40<DJHaCK>mmm I'm getting white noise added to the sound when using mythtv , anybody had that (using alsa)
19:43<henry_>Feel free to smack me if this is a stupid suggestion, but have you checked the audio levels (tv, sound card)?
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19:45<DJHaCK>yeah I'm thinking it's getting very low input and very high amplification but the setting in alsamixer "look" ok
19:51<warlord>does audio sound fine if you just use something like xmms to play an mp3?
19:52<DJHaCK>eek , I got a minute and a half lag between actual live tv and the frontend
19:53<warlord>ok.. have you tried using mplayer or sometihng similar (instead of mythtv) to play your video?
19:53<warlord>wow -- usually I sit around 5 seconds behind.
19:53<DJHaCK>mm , this computer stinks , I think I'll go plan B and have the backend and frontend on separate computer
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19:56<warlord>what kind of 'puter? how much ram? and what input card?
19:56<DJHaCK>P3 800 / 384 SD-RAM / generic Bt8x8
19:57<warlord>hmm.. p3-800 is on the low end, as you're doing s/w encoding...
19:57<DJHaCK>it's probably just sucky sound card syndrome but this machine will server as master backend with one or 2 more backend and maybe 4 frontends
19:58<warlord>are you using btaudio?
19:58<DJHaCK>no I use a C-Media card
19:58<warlord>What, got a GigE connecting them?
19:58<warlord>Ahh, well, if you're taking analog audio out of the BT card and into a sound card, you could be getting white noise there.
19:59<DJHaCK>no I'm only using the svid in from the bttv card and sound from the sat receiver directly in the line-in of the card
20:00<DJHaCK>I'll try the mic-in since it's pre amplified it might help
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22:08<bishop1>just installed 1st mythtv system sat. kickass!
22:09<bishop1>where can i get a ir blaster? any support for ripping cd to mp3 instead og ogg? what about dvd-r burning?
22:10<bishop1>using directv. any issues?
22:13<bishop1>anyone here?
22:14<dis>just got back from classes
22:14<dis>hi, gets quiet in here at times
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22:15<dis>i'm pretty sure you can rip to mp3 as long as you enable lame support in mythmusic
22:17<dis>if i remember right the low/medium quality settings rip to mp3, high to ogg, and perfect to flac
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22:47<bishop1>ahh. didn't see settings for that. how about directv support with an ir blaster (or better way)?
22:48<bishop1>and dvd recording?
22:49<echo>bishop1: you can do directv over a serial port with the right cable.
22:49<echo>bishop1: to the DTV's "Low band data" port.
22:50<bishop1>only input i have on the directv system is for an rf remote
22:50<kslater>I need some help with last night's cvs and the new profile group stuff. Anyone?
22:51<bishop1>also saw something about an add-on that will let you stream mysic from the mythweb
22:54<echo>bishop1: you don't have Low Band Data port on the back?
22:55<bishop1>nope. it;s a basic huges system.
22:57<accurate>I bet there isn't another PVR application that has near the quality of commercial detection that mythtv has, if not any at all. Anyone know :)
22:57<accurate>this surprises me
22:58<accurate>actually it doesn't surprise me, open projects are nice
22:58<kslater>No commercial appliance will go near that since ReplayTV already got taken to court.
22:58<bishop1>also. tv plays fine, but i can't get dvd's tp play in widescreen.
22:58<accurate>oh yeah I forgot about the court stuff
22:58<bishop1>anyone tried to change the player to xine?
23:00<accurate>i dont know nothing about dvd, except converting them to divx
23:00<accurate>I always use mplayer for dvd
23:01<bishop1>i was referring to mythdvd. it plays my movies fine, but i don;t get access to the menus or widescreen options. xine has support for these,.
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23:05<mikegrb>Chutt: you around
23:05<DJHaCK>libdvdnav what buggy at best last time I tried it , but that was 2 yrs ago
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23:08<kslater>any of the devs who know the database schema around?
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23:15<DJHaCK>is there a way to get the front end to work on very low resources ? like Pentium Mobile 233 with 32MB and only xfree on fluxbox running ?
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23:16<warlord>I doubt it... I'm having trouble with 512M ram...
23:16<warlord>both the frontend and backend are taking about 150-200MB each.
23:16<mikegrb>warlord: you prob have a config prob
23:16<warlord>(after a few hours at least)
23:17<mikegrb>I have frontend running in a system with only 64mb ram, some people have it running on same platform with no swap
23:18<mikegrb>warlord: you prob have something fishey going on if they are using that much ram
23:18<warlord>Well, I just rebooted the system, and right now I've got backend taking up 152MB (15M resident) and the frontend is taking up 94MB (40MB resident)
23:18<mikegrb>where are you getting your numbers?
23:18<mikegrb>adding the lines?
23:18<DJHaCK>this is with the buffer and each thread's memory usage added
23:19<DJHaCK>they share most of it
23:19<warlord>ps auxww | grep myth | grep end
23:19<warlord>root 2923 0.6 3.1 152032 15244 ? S 23:10 0:02 /usr/local/bin/mythbackend -d -l /var/log/mythbackend.log
23:19<warlord>mythtv 3270 6.8 8.1 94064 39344 ? S 23:11 0:23 /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend
23:19<knight->I'm getting freezes when trying to do a TVout only xserver... It always occurs during the nvidia logo, and i see the screen probes, but then all of a sudden, the logo appears on half the screen and freezes the entire box. any ideas?
23:19<knight->Works fine when i have several Screen's set for CRT and TVout
23:20<DJHaCK>knight- try to set nview clone mode maybe ?
23:21<warlord>mikegrb: i might have bogus settings, but I didn't really change all that much from the default.
23:21<knight->DJHaCK, ahh i see
23:21<mikegrb>hmm I dunno
23:21<mdz>warlord: why are you running the backend as root and the frontend as mythtv?
23:21<knight->DJHaCK, well i was hoping to have seperate xservers running for crt and tvout
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23:22<knight->i dont want to use TwinView or multiple Screen's
23:22<warlord>mdz because the backend runs out of init and the frontend runs out of a kde/Autorun.
23:22<mdz>warlord: I run the backend from init as well, but as mythtv
23:23* warlord shrugs
23:24<warlord>the contributed init file for the backend doesn't change the user when starting the backend
23:24<mikegrb>warlord: I dunno, my backend only had 80mb ram + 0 swap for everything on the system, kernel, courier smtp+imap, apache, mysql, mythbackend etc
23:24<DJHaCK>knight- if you set xinerama to off it'll behave almost as 2 xservers
23:25<kslater>mdz how well do you know the database schema?
23:25<knight->i know
23:25<DJHaCK>mmm , I get "Illegal Instruction" when I execute any myth* command
23:25<knight->so will TwinView or multiple screens
23:25<knight->but i actually want two seperate xservers running
23:25<mdz>kslater: er...pretty well
23:25<knight->i dont want the mouse to cross screens
23:25<knight->i intend on putting two keyboards and two mice on the box
23:25<mdz>I wrote some of it, I suppose
23:26<knight->a wireless RF keyboard/mouse combo, and a regular keyboard mouse combo
23:26<DJHaCK>mm last I checked multiple keyboard where total PITA
23:26<kslater>my system (which my family is quite attached to) got hosed up when I did a compile from last night's cvs.
23:26<kslater>Basically, the profile group stuff didn't go well.
23:26<mikegrb>DJHaCK: did you see the the section in the howto?
23:26<knight->not when you have seperate x servers
23:26<knight->multiple keyboard and mice combos work fine then
23:27<DJHaCK>if you don't want the mouse to cross I think you only need to not set the screens relation to each other like RightOf and stuff
23:27<kslater>was looking to see what it expects. I think I have it right now, but was looking to verify.
23:28<DJHaCK>mm you're lucky I spent 2 weeks getting 2 keyboard to work on my sparc .. it never worked :\
23:28<Chutt>djhack, threads share _all_ ram
23:28<knight->i know how to do that shit dood
23:28<DJHaCK>mikegrb I'll take a look , I though this machine was so underpowered there was so many reason for it to fail that it wouldn't be documented anywhere eh..
23:29<knight->TwinView and multiple Screens both work fine
23:29<mikegrb>Chutt: do you have objections of having the url for searchable irc logs in the chan topic
23:29<knight->i dont WANT the mouse to cross
23:29<mikegrb>DJHaCK: heh, what processor is it?
23:29<knight->it's not a system i'll be using with a CRT almost ever
23:29<Chutt>i dunno
23:29<knight->so i suppose i'll just rig up TwinView with mirroring
23:29<DJHaCK>it's called Pentium Mobile but I thing it's just a plain pentium-mmx
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23:30<knight->pentium m's are actually quite bad ass
23:30<knight->smaller form factor, lower heat, and lower power consumption
23:30<knight->the centrino's are even more bad ass
23:30<kslater>mdz: should codecparams have a complete set of entries for each profile in recordingprofiles?
23:31<mikegrb>Chutt: heh
23:31<DJHaCK>Chutt , oh I though maybe each thread had a little reserved memory for control and stuff ... just a guess
23:31<mdz>kslater: more or less, yes
23:32<mdz>kslater: I honestly haven't looked at any of the profile group stuff, so I don't know what has changed
23:32<mikegrb>DJHaCK: you may need to change the -march= in
23:32<mdz>the way it worked before, if there were no entries, it used the defaults for everything
23:32<mdz>I don't know if that's still true
23:33<kslater>I'm afraid to say that I'm behind on reading the mailing lists. (Drove 840 miles last weekend.)
23:33<DJHaCK>mikegrb I used gentoo to build it , I set the flags to -O3 -mcpu=pentium-mmx -funroll-loops -pipe
23:33<DJHaCK>maybe the ebuilds overrided to something higher ? :\
23:34<mikegrb>hmm lemme look
23:35<Chutt>kslater, see libs/libmythtv/dbcheck.cpp for what the current schema should have in it
23:35<mikegrb>DJHaCK: nope, looks like it uses yours
23:35<kslater>will do. thanks Chutt. My 5 yr old is not liking Daddy right now.
23:36<DJHaCK>mm k , I'll go read the FAQ maybe something about it in there
23:38<Chutt>kslater, basically, codecparams only has stuff for customized profiles.. missing data uses the default settings
23:39<kslater>one thing I wasn't able to do last night is to enter text in the name field for a new profile.
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23:40<kslater>I'm thinking maybe I'm running into a QT3.0 vs 3.1 thing. I keep putting off upgrading from RH 7.3 to 9.0
23:40<Chutt>there's a few problems with creating new profiles
23:41<kslater>ok. no problem I can see what's expected by looking at dbcheck.cpp. (Lots of stuff missing from my db right now.)
23:43<mikegrb>Chutt: so a final verdict on the logs? I didn't even know anyone was using them much but a guy msg'ed me this afternoon asking about them... just rebuilt the system so it wasn't up yet
23:43<mikegrb>but it is all there now
23:44* tmk recompiles myth
23:44<tmk>so anyone have a good way of killing 3 hours?
23:45<mikegrb>tmk an endless loop?
23:45<knight->damn kdm... i even set /usr/kde/3.1/share/config/kdm/Xservers to add my -layout option, but it doesnt look like it set it
23:45<tmk>well this is for me
23:45<knight->root 20556 6.3 2.5 281876 13396 ? SL 19:36 0:15 /etc/X11/X -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-vcdXuY
23:45<tmk>my computer's already quite busy
23:45<mikegrb>tmk: heh
23:46<DJHaCK>tmk frozenbubble
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23:47<tmk>what be that
23:48<tmk>perhaps i shall continue my quest for a good htpc case
23:49<DJHaCK>mmm is sse deinterlace on by default in gentoo ebuilds ?
23:50<mikegrb>DJHaCK: that shouldn't be a problem... the default is off anyway
23:51<mikegrb>but the instructions wouldn't be executed until you go to playback
23:52<DJHaCK>I start any myth* command and it takes a little while before it crashes , maybe it just filled the ram and the swap ?
23:53<DJHaCK>mm scratch that , it would take more than 7 seconds to fill 384M of swap space on this slow thing
23:53<mikegrb>you shuldn't get an illegal instruction for full space
23:54<DJHaCK>anyway I think it says Killed. right ?
23:54<mikegrb>I beleive so
23:54<DJHaCK>is there a log somewhere I could look for other errors ?
23:54<mikegrb>nope :/
23:54-!-warlord is now known as warlord-afk
23:55<DJHaCK>there was nothing in syslog .. mmm
23:55<DJHaCK>maybe it's just that -O3 or someother flag it doesn't like
23:57<DJHaCK>i'll try a less aggressive "-O1 -march=pentium-mmx" and there goes 4 days of compiling :\
23:59<DJHaCK>I'll build mythfrontend instead of mythtv , maybe it'll be ready in the morning instead of next week
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