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---Logopened Wed Oct 01 00:00:40 2003
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00:23<cbreen>anyone here use dxr2 driver?
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00:39<cesman>hi hEximal
00:40<hEximal>hey cessy
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00:40<cesman>just ces is fine
00:41<cesman>saw you message earlier...
00:42<cesman>sorry, I cannot make mdk RPMs
00:42<hEximal>i found some
00:44<tmk>chutt: does the seek function change any of the frame positional stuff
00:44<tmk>or does it just move the pointer like lseek
00:44<hEximal>ces: i think it was in the docs.
00:44<hEximal>the link that is
00:45<cesman>shows you how long it have been since I looked at them
00:45<cesman>or at least that part :)
00:49<cesman>got everything setup?
00:50<hEximal>not at all
00:52<hEximal>i haven't started
00:52<hEximal>I was getting my nvidia stuff set up
00:52<hEximal>but that works
00:52<cesman>oh, ok
00:53<cesman>I'm testing my latest beta
00:53<hEximal>w/ ivtv ?
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00:56<cesman>yes, but I still need to resolve some issue w/ firmware
00:57<cesman>it will probably require inserting CD w/ drivers or wget
00:57<hEximal>oh yeah
00:57<hEximal>that's pesky
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00:59* tmk pokes chutt
01:00<tmk>looks like it's never finding the seek pos in the map
01:01<cesman>tmk:I emailed Anthony at shspvr, he stated including the firmware is a NO NO
01:01<hEximal>it hardly makes sense, can the firmware be used without the hardware?
01:02<cbreen>anyone had problems playing avi's with mplayer where they are all jumpy
01:02<cesman>true, but you know how companies are...
01:02<cbreen>while mpeg's play properly?
01:02<cbreen>using the dxr2 driver?
01:02<cesman>cbreen:don't have dxr2
01:05<tmk>ces: :<
01:06<tmk>but what about hauppauge drivers
01:06<tmk>surely they can permit that
01:06<cesman>tmk:I should get a response back from him on that tomorrow
01:08<cesman>I ask how he got permission to redistribute and who I can ask at Hauppauge
01:08<tmk>from whom?
01:09<tmk>no, who got permission
01:09<cesman>Anthony at shspvr
01:10<tmk>he's in good with hauppauge
01:10<cesman>he has the drivers for download
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01:31<cesman>Nyquil, will help you get some ZZZZZz
01:31<cesman>nite everyone
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01:31<Chutt>tmk, well, what's the map look like?
01:31<Chutt>is it actually missing where it wants to go?
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01:44<Chutt>i should remove that ban, but i'm really too lazy to do so
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01:45<tmk>hey chutt
01:45<tmk>so i'm at kind of a loss
01:45<tmk>i put a bunch of printf's in
01:45<tmk>and the seeking is fine within the "DoFastForward" function
01:46<tmk>but inbetween somehow 'framesPlayed' gets changed
01:46<Chutt>and that's what's wrong, i assume?
01:46<tmk>so now i have to track down everything that touches framesPlayed
01:46<tmk>so far it's only on a ff, then ff again
01:46<Chutt>probably the result from videooutivtv::writebuffer()
01:46<tmk>that i've noticed it
01:47<tmk>but once it's done it once
01:47<tmk>it's fine
01:47<Chutt>remember how i was complaining about the frames position number being really wrong?
01:47<Chutt>maybe that's tripping it for you...
01:47<Chutt>i dunno
01:48<Chutt>check out the very bottom of videoout_ivtv.cpp
01:48<Chutt>the comment there
01:48<Chutt>i dunno, something to look at
01:50<tmk>on reopen .. getting the # of frames played
01:50<tmk>that could be it
01:50* tmk debugs
01:50<tmk>oh another bug i''ve run across
01:50<tmk>is that if that function returns error
01:50<tmk>then something keeps calling it over and over
01:51<Chutt>what function?
01:51<tmk>so it just scrolls the screen with 'IVTV_IOC_FRAMESYNC
01:51<Chutt>well, it doesn't test, i don't think =)
01:51<tmk>perhaps it should! :P
01:53<tmk>i'll just make it return -1
01:53<tmk>and check for that
01:55<tmk>hmm but what should it do
01:55<Chutt>i dunno
01:55<tmk>i'll test it and see if it ever happens during decoding
01:56<tmk>or if it only fires afterwards
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02:07<tmk>chutt: uhm i think i found a fix for that problem
02:07* tmk duh
02:07<tmk>i wasn't doing what i thought i was in that ioctl
02:07<tmk>so hopefully i can make it a straight API call, and it'll not return wierd values anymore
02:12<Chutt>but, that may not be the seeking problem =)
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02:16<Chutt>why exactly did some dumbass forward an email he sent to the list less than an hour ago to the list again?
02:17<bline>low IQ?
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02:19<o_cee>hey, that's even worse than me ;)
02:19<Chutt>tmk, someone answered it 5 minutes before he sent his forward
02:20<bline>NPD more likly
02:20<Chutt>7 minutes, rather
02:20<o_cee>he even got an answer for it
02:21* o_cee is back (gone 08:32:42)
02:24<o_cee>our closest neighbour denmark lowers their tax on liquor today with 47%.. takes me 15 minutes to get there by car.. heheh :) (sweden got one of the highest taxes on liquor.. damn expensive here)
02:25<Timon>o_cee: whats a fifth of say schmernof (sp?) vodka go for in euro?
02:25<o_cee>a fifth? how much is that?
02:25<Timon>Sorry, 750 ml
02:26<o_cee>lemme see
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02:29<o_cee>one 700ml Smirnoff is 28.80$ or 24.77\x80... (in sweden)
02:29<Timon>what about in denmark?
02:30<o_cee>probably about half that price now.. don't know exactly
02:30<Timon>Thats like $32 us, thats about $13-14 more than we pay. The state I live in has high taxes on booze.
02:30<Timon>Government manipulation through taxation.
02:30<o_cee>Timon: oh so true.
02:30<tmk>just as i get ready to debug my decoder code
02:30<tmk>it starts recording
02:31<o_cee>Timon: the funny thing here, that i think we're alone about, is that liquor/beer/wine, everything, is sold in special government owned stores...
02:31<Timon>At least I'm not in new york, US$7 / pack if I recall correctly.
02:32<Timon>o_cee: Why do they do that?
02:32<Timon>Previous statement about packs is in regards to cigerettes
02:32<o_cee>oh. don't smoke, but that's expencive
02:33<o_cee>well, thats to protect their citizens..
02:33<Timon>I don't smoke either, but I resent the taxation.
02:33<Timon>Or so they say. Its a way of generating revenue
02:33<Timon>If it was truely about protecting citizens, then they would ban them. . .
02:34<o_cee>yeah. good to have so close to denmark now.. :)
02:34<Timon>heh. Whats your poison o_cee?
02:35<o_cee>nothing special ;)
02:35<Timon>Canadian Club whiskey and ginger-ale is good. So is malibu rum and 7-up. Coors is good too!
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02:36<o_cee>whiskey and ginger-ale? gotta try that..
02:37<o_cee>raspberry vodka is very nice, but it's empty now
02:37<Timon>Never tried it. Cranberry juice and vodka is good, real good :-)
02:38<o_cee>you're making me wanne drink :) it's 8:30am here dammit
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02:38<Timon>haha, 10:45pm here. Time for bed. Nite folks
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02:45<Chutt>oh wow
02:45<Chutt>he's sent it a third time to the list
02:45<o_cee>funny guy
02:50<tmk>i wonder if he's in here
02:51<tmk>right now
02:51<tmk>watching us get angry
02:51<tmk>9 minutes till it's done recording
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02:52<tmk>i think it angered the database though
02:52<Chutt>if i have to make an effort to manually unsubscribe the guy, then i'll get annoyed :p
02:53<tmk>'can't insert positionmap into the database'
02:53* overridex clicks send, send, send
02:53<overridex>j/k :)
02:53<tmk>(not a verbatium quote)
02:56<Chutt>tmk, yeah, that's an angry database
02:58<Chutt>god damnit
02:58<Chutt>the fucking ignorant people on my mailing list piss me off
03:04<tmk>(i think he's annoyed now)
03:05<hEximal>at least they aren't in your irc channel
03:05<overridex>damn straight
03:05<hEximal>or are they? :o
03:05<overridex>now how do i setup mythtv on windows 95?
03:05<overridex>j/k :)
03:05<hEximal>i think I know
03:05<Chutt>this channel change thread just pisses me off
03:06<Chutt>I HAVE THE BEST IDEA EVAR!@#!#@!
03:06<Chutt>THEN IT"D BE QUICKER!@#!@#
03:06<Chutt>no one's bothered to look at the code
03:06<Chutt>not one single person
03:06<Chutt>well, aside from bruce
03:06<overridex>not like it's opensource or anything
03:10<hEximal>well i'm still setting it up.. so i'll remain hush.
03:11<hEximal>I did want a teletubbies filter at some point
03:13<hEximal>holy crap, it works.
03:15<tmk>your teletubbies filter?
03:16<Chutt>tmk, so, get it working? =)
03:18<hEximal>no, mythtv itself
03:18<tmk>chutt: no, infact it killed the decoder
03:18<tmk>i put a sleep in so as not to hammer it
03:18<hEximal>this is great
03:19<overridex>has anyone successfully encoded a rtjpeg .nuv with mencoder to another format without having the weird green frames every so often?
03:19<tmk>chutt: do mythbackend and mythfrontend dependon any of the other 'programs'
03:19<Chutt>overridex, as the mplayer patch is extremely out of date, i doubt that
03:19<tmk>i'm thinkin about editing them out of the Makefile in programs/
03:19<Chutt>tmk, like what other programs?
03:19<tmk>like mythtv
03:19<tmk>or mythcommflag
03:20<Chutt>faster link times? =)
03:20<overridex>Chutt: looking back in the mailing list archives, i'm not sure it ever handled rtjpeg right even when the patch was new...
03:20<Chutt>no, it didn't
03:21<overridex>i've been trying to just get the rtjpeg files into mpeg2 so i could encode from there, but the nuvexport script craps out
03:21<tmk>by when must i update xmltv again?
03:22<tmk>overr: i dont think mpg2 works right with libavcodec, at least for encoding
03:22<Chutt>tmk, soon
03:22<overridex>tmk: darn....
03:23<overridex>i want to get the rtjpeg into something i can use mencoder with, without losing quality.... just because i'd like to use some of mencoder's filters like denoise to encode to xvid for keeping
03:23<tmk>uh oh
03:23<tmk>i think i pissed off the database
03:23<tmk>now nothing can find its keyframes
03:24<Chutt>well, it should fall back to looking for them, then
03:25<tmk>that doesn't work at all
03:25<tmk>just thinks for a second, then skips forward like 1/8 a second
03:26<tmk>ok i take that back
03:26<tmk>it works if i rewind past where i've been
03:26<tmk>so is it updating the database again
03:26<tmk>or just memory
03:27<Chutt>well, the playback finding stuff only goes into memory
03:27<Chutt>doesn't use the db
03:28<hEximal>is there a 'cheatsheet' of commands?
03:28<tmk>hmm.. is it possible to fix a database?
03:28<Chutt>tmk, depends on what's wrong with it
03:28<Chutt>generally, yeah
03:28<tmk>i better go look then
03:28<Chutt>i need to go to bed
03:28<tmk>i have a recording scheduledin 3.5 hrs
03:28<tmk>ok nite
03:28<tmk>any last-second tips?
03:29<Chutt>sorry, dunno
03:33<lmatter>tmk, probably a long shot, but I found this:
03:39<tmk>larry: thanks that looks like what i'm experiencing
03:39<tmk> to dump a database..
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03:47<lmatter>tmk, on mandrake it's mysqldump -u root mythconverg > foo.sql
03:50<tmk>got it repaired
03:50<tmk>repair table <tablename> from the mysql console
03:52<phar0e>I need to resample some of my recordings from 44100Hz down to 32000Hz, tried mythtranscode without luck, anyone have any suggestions?
03:52<lmatter>tmk, now perhaps you have enough confidence to upgrade xmltv?
03:53<tmk>that doesn't scare me
03:53<tmk>i'm just lazy
03:53<tmk>hmm box locked
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04:14<tmk>xmltv upgraded. ya
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04:17<sfr>good morning
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10:40<extremis>hrm, cvs doesn't seem to be generating a makefile anymore when I configure
10:40<extremis>am I doing something wrong?
10:42<extremis>ahh qmake
10:42<warlord>yea, it is..
10:43<warlord>I guess they didn't know how to use auto-*
10:43<extremis>hrm, now to figure out how to get -march=athlon-xp in
10:43<extremis>it changed
10:43* warlord isn't sure about that.
10:43<o_cee>does those make much difference anyway?
10:43<extremis>yeah, I added it there, but its not behaving like it did before qmake came in
10:43<extremis>o_cee: well it seems to ignore my changes to
10:43<extremis>its not adding the march anymore
10:43<o_cee>maybe more difference with amd's
10:43<warlord>Actually, I'm not sure it makes a difference between -march=athlon-xp and -march=i686
10:44<o_cee>i've put pentium3 everywhere anyway
10:44<extremis>warlard: it was -march=pentiumpro
10:44<extremis>thats the default
10:44<extremis>its not even using march at all in the compile now
10:45<Chutt>it doesn't really make much difference
10:46<o_cee>thought i read that somewhere as well
10:49<o_cee>anyone know of a xmltv channel on freenode?
10:49<Chutt>there's a mailing list
10:49<o_cee>have had direct contact with Ed Avis, thought i'd catch him on irc instead
10:49<o_cee>fixed some stuff with the swedish grabber
10:56<o_cee>you using phpMyAdmin Chutt?
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11:02<o_cee>okay.. nevermind then
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11:06<PNY>isnt mysqlcc useful for you?
11:08<PNY>I guess not
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11:26<tmk>chutt: fixed the problem
11:26<tmk>in cvs
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11:28<Helius_>what does it take to get Mythfrontend to run on the EPIA-m (neiamiah) board?
11:28<Chutt>nothing special?
11:28<Helius_>I compiled the kernel according to the config found at
11:29<Helius_>ok, just wondered if that onboard GPU was going to be enough to run Xv
11:30<Helius_>I noticed that the patches to make the streamzap remote work with lirc seem to be broken... anyone have a suggestion?
11:30<Helius_>anyone using a sreamzap remote?
11:31<Helius_>thinking of building my own serial IR receiver
11:39<PNY>I have been using another brand IR receiver, but now I though I would try Nova-T / Nexus-S ir receivers... any ideas on why /dev/lirc seem not to be available for irrecord?
11:39<Chutt>this isn't the lirc help channel.
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11:41<PNY>Heh, has somebody actually got help on something else either ;-)
11:42<thor_>hey Chutt, can you help me speed up my channel changes ?
11:42<Chutt>sure, i'll get right on that
11:42<Chutt>pny, this isn't a help channel, period.
11:43<PNY>I know - just could not resist the temptation.
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11:51<kvandivo>ya, i agree, thor.. i've been annoyed with the channel changing speed for some time now, but no one else seems to notice anything about it. i'm glad you brought it up
11:52<thor_>oh, and when is the stupid development team going to finish ATI All-In-Wonder support?
11:54<kvandivo>and the development team really needs to get to work on providing better guide data, too. I want at least 4 weeks of data, and I don't know why the development team won't let me have it.
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11:55<thor_>and get rid of that icky Nipple Video Format, what kind of proprietary junk is that ?
11:55<henry>Well, now that you've identified all the problems, we need to write them down and have a meeting to prioritize them.
11:56<thor_>need a committee to decide who should be allowed to particiapte in the prioritization methedology
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11:57<warlord>and we need some advisors to create the committee...
11:57<chris>is this the chan for development or user or both?
11:57<Chutt>development, preferably
11:58<thor_>and a selection panel to draft tems of reference for advisors
11:58<thor_>ahhhhh ..... I feel much better now
11:59<chris>is there mythtv-devel documentation? doxygen generated or otherwise?
11:59<thor_>chris .... what are you looking for ?
12:00<chris>thor_: a way to figure out wtf is going on in mythtv
12:01<thor_>core TV recording and playing, or how other modules work?
12:01<chris>not really sure.. just wanting to look
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12:01<thor_>MythVideo is relatively small and not badly documented ....
12:01<chris>i'm a qt/c++ @ work... figured i could poke around and see if i could add/change something that is requested.
12:02<chris>doxygen commented?
12:02<chris>i saw there was a todo list created somewhere...
12:02<chris>i ran doxygen against it this morning. the whole mythtv tar ball.
12:03<thor_>no ... just read the code
12:03<kvandivo>it's one of the rites of passage
12:04<chris>yeah.. but good documentation would speed the ramp up for a potential developer. i understand the RTFS and RTFM but tools are useful too.
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12:16<nulltank>for gentoo users is it recommended that we use the ebuilds or stick with the tarballs/cvs?
12:16<thor_>nulltank, you toggle your list as shuffled setting?
12:16<warlord>I think the answer is "up to you"
12:16<Chutt>use whatever you want
12:17<tmk>Chutt: you see my note earlier
12:17<Chutt>does that fix the seeking problem?
12:17<tmk>seems to
12:17<nulltank>thor_: i've been too busy with preparing for a Chicago trip that I haven't been able to play with my myth in a couple of days; thanks for asking though
12:17<tmk>fortuantely, it seems to set one of the fields to '0'
12:18<kvandivo>personally, nulltank, i installed the first time using ebuilds, because that took care of all the dependencies for me, and then i installed cvs with the same config settings as make.conf, and have used it ever since
12:18<tmk>when it has that wierd value
12:18<tmk>so i just look for that then get it again if it's bogus
12:18<nulltank>thor_: i'll let you know how it works when i get a chance to try it ;-)
12:18<tmk>anyhoo. any chance you can look into the 'bad file descriptor on IVTV_IOC_FRAMESYNC ' errors at some point?
12:19<nulltank>kvandivo: do you cvs all the modules or just the main mythtv one?
12:19<tmk>seems to happen after a capture
12:19<kvandivo>nulltank: all
12:19<kvandivo>nulltank: if you go cvs, you need to go cvs all the way. you'll get library problems otherwise
12:20<nulltank>kvandivo: ah, ok
12:25<Chutt>tmk, yeah, if i can reproduce it
12:27<tmk>cool. it's very easy for me..just record and watch the console when it's done :)
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13:31<FryGuy->who is the guy that made the knoppmyth distro?
13:37<thor_>Cecil Watson
13:43<FryGuy->come on irc?
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13:53<thor_>I think so
13:53<thor_>email is Cecil Watson <>
13:54<FryGuy->i just wanted to know if I did something wrong to cause the knoppix menu to only have 1. partition and 2. quit when I rebooted.
13:54<FryGuy->i'm going to try downloading the r3 version at work and burning it. my burner here is shot :(
14:05<Chutt>warlord, um
14:06<Chutt>you _do_ realize that the widget you just wrote in with suggestions for isn't a qt widget, right?
14:06<warlord>oh? it's a gtk widget?
14:06<Chutt>no, it's something thor wrote.
14:06<warlord>based on qt, right?
14:07<warlord>so it has no parent class?
14:07<Chutt>all of the UI stuff is custom.
14:07<warlord>Really? Weird.
14:07<warlord>No, I didn't know that.
14:07<Chutt>see, it's not hard to find those things out :p
14:07<warlord>It doesn't matter -- my analysis still stands.
14:07<Chutt>your analysis is totally bunk
14:08<Chutt>since you didn't even bother to look at what it's doing
14:08<warlord>does it have a freeze/thaw capability?
14:08<warlord>is it being used in this instance?
14:08<Chutt>it's being used all the time, from what i understand.
14:08<Chutt>stuff doesn't get redrawn in the middle of the event loop.
14:08<warlord>have YOU looked to verify?
14:09<thor_>warlord, it's only slow when it has resort itself to handle a Shuffle mode which is not the same as its display mode
14:09<o_cee>hmm, i must be getting some delay on my emails from the list, don't know what you're talking about :)
14:09<warlord>My point was that 4000 entries in any reasonable list shouldn't be slow.
14:09<Chutt>it's not, until it resorts itself.
14:09<thor_>it isn't
14:10<thor_>and it's not a list
14:10<thor_>it's a tree
14:10<warlord>sorry, braino.. (in gtk2 a "list" is a subset of "tree" and they use the same interfaces)
14:10<Chutt>same as in qt
14:11<Chutt>but qt's tree widget is actually sane
14:11<Chutt>unlike the crap they came up with for gtk2
14:11<thor_>it's actually very fast at sorting if you have lots of hierarchy (treelists withing treelists), cause it only sorts what it needs to. Not so efficient when people insists on having a flat list.
14:11<warlord>I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the gtk2 crap..
14:12<Chutt>warlord, in freeamp, i had to make it be able to drag an item from a tree to a list (back in gtk1, when they were separate)
14:12<Chutt>took, if i recall correctly, 3000 lines of code
14:12<Chutt>that's what turned me off of gtk, by the way =)
14:13<warlord>i haven't played with any drag/drop interfaces..
14:13<warlord>but I believe you.
14:14<warlord>does Qt have a 'glade' like feature (a UI designer tool where you build your GUI and then it writes out a config file that will load your GUI in your app?)
14:14<Chutt>i've never used any of that, though
14:14<Chutt>don't generally like the code those things churn out, so i spend more time rewriting it than i would have to write it manually
14:15<warlord>oh, I dont use glade to generate code, only the UI description file... (and the libglade will build the dialog or window based on the description and let you get a handle on any widgets you want)
14:15<warlord>I wouldn't trust the C it outputs
14:16<thor_>friggin semicolons
14:16<Chutt>heh, missed one? =)
14:16<thor_>forehead was getting bloody too
14:18<warlord>those brick walls aren't meant for head-banging, you know....
14:21<thor_>oh yes!
14:30<warlord>Chutt: as for my algorithm analysis.. from personal experience I've seen people write an O(n) 'list.insert()' method -- it walks O(n) to the end of the list and then appends your new item to the end. This can cause you to perform an O(n^2) operation to insert a list into another list.
14:34<Chutt>right, but before commenting, you should at least look to see what it's doing :p
14:37<warlord>i'll keep that in mind for next time
14:41<kvandivo>so, last night i changed my crontab back from being 11:59pm, and those duplicate entry errors that I had been getting in mythfilldatabase went away.. So i'm in the process of looking through mythfilldatabase to figure out what might be screwing up if the day changes while mythfilldatabase is running
14:41<Chutt>it probably doesn't like straddling midnight is all
14:42<warlord>that's my guess..
14:42<kvandivo>i agree entirely.. i don't see a reason that it should matter, though..
14:42<kvandivo>so i'm going to try and find and fix it..
14:42<warlord>Perhaps we should just change the fillData(*it,1); to 0?
14:42<Chutt>well, it's probably getting the system time everywhere
14:42<Chutt>instead of just at startup
14:43<warlord>to force-update "today" instead of "tomorrow"?
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14:43<kvandivo>that potentially adds a lot of unnecessary grabbing
14:43<warlord>kvandivo: eh? how is it any more unnecessary than what it currently does?
14:43<kvandivo>because if you run it at 11:59pm, it's going to get a full day of data that is useless
14:44<warlord>it does that if you run it at 12:01, too
14:45<kvandivo>no, it just verifies that data starting 23 hours and 59 minutes from 12:01 is accurate. not useless, though
14:45<warlord>and since the docs suggest using cron.daily, which is run at 4am, changing from 0 to 1 makes sense.
14:45<warlord>er, 1->0
14:45<kvandivo>cron.daily is run whenever the distribution wants to run it (assuming the user hasn't changed the time)
14:45<kvandivo>on gentoo it runs at midnight, for instance
14:45<warlord>right, which means it will be "tomorrow", and not "today", so '0' is correct
14:46<kvandivo>ideally, xmltv could be told to retrieve the next 24 hours, instead of a particular day. _that_ would be idea. but i'm guessing that xmltv doesn't work like that.
14:46<kvandivo>ideal, i mean. :)
14:46<warlord>no, I dont think it does work that way (but yes, that would be ideal)
14:48<kvandivo>at any rate, that's why i was running it at 11:59.. i figured 'tomorrow' would provide updates to the timeframe starting 1 minute later. and, on a whim, I was hoping that by the time it ran the tail end check to grab data a week out there, the day would have switched and it would grab an extra day of data for me.
14:48<warlord>Actually, i think it does. I ran it at 11am today and the first entry in the xml file is: tv date="20031001110002 -0400" ...
14:49<kvandivo>having said that, i hadn't bothered looking at the code to know if that was what was going to happen or not.. and now i've uncovered this other little thing that i'm going to take care of first
14:50<warlord>Er, wait, that's just the xmltv timestamp, not the program data timestamp.
14:50<warlord>It looks like it chooses a 0000-1159 timeframe and grabs programs for that timeframe, regardless of what the current time is.
14:52<warlord>anyways, gotta run
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15:17<kvandivo>was thinking about a recording that i accidentally deleted last night and was thinking that undelete functionality would be handy. the user could specify a max amount of space to allocate to it, it would integrate with the other code that deletes old recordings, etc..
15:22<Chutt>that's why it confirms each deletion
15:22<kvandivo>:) ya.. but some of us are too stupid to read that closely
15:23<kvandivo>actually, though.. there's this thing that I've noticed that led to that happening.. from my 'plans' file:
15:23<kvandivo>look into coming out of a recording and having the cursor jump to the next
15:23<kvandivo>program up. this caused me to delete a program other than the one i
15:23<kvandivo>was wanting.
15:24<kvandivo>it might just be me imagining things, though. i've got to investigate more
15:24<kvandivo>i had watched a show, hit escape, and i could swear that i ended up on the recording line _above_ the show i had just watched
15:25<kvandivo>and then i hit 'd' and the automatic 'yes' ;( and deleted a show i hadn't watched yet
15:25<kvandivo>ya.. it's just something i've got on my list to look at..
15:32<thor_>god damn non reentrant QSockets
15:33<Chutt>well, my beef with those is that they need the eventloop running
15:34<Chutt>i'd be happy with a similar class that was synchronous instead of qt's async stuff
15:34<thor_>thought I was really clever .... pass threads a pointer, and give them a method that passes back an event with a pointer to the socket
15:34<thor_>post an Event that is
15:35<thor_>but .... if client goes away and new client connects, the new client socket will often have the same address
15:35<thor_>so .... time for a unique identifier
15:35<Chutt>check out how the mainserver.cpp code does it
15:36<thor_>ah .... ok
15:36<Chutt>i think it does something similar to what you're talking about
15:36<thor_>first part, yes
15:37<thor_>but that socket pointer you pass back (parent->ProcessRequest(socket)) could end up being a pointer to a socket that just came into existence
15:37<thor_>I think
15:38<thor_>but then I'm an idiot
15:38<Chutt>i guess i'm assuming that stuff's not going to get shut down that quickly
15:39<thor_>I'm debugging with telnet (my thing, not mythbackend) ... and it happens a lot (quit, restart) under somewhat artifical circumstances
15:39<Chutt>well, i dunno
15:39<Chutt>maybe have a way to notify the handler thread that their socket went away?
15:39<Chutt>instead of leaving it up to the parent to do that?
15:39<thor_>just building a tiny class on top of QSocket that holds a unique int
15:40<thor_>pass the int around instead of the socket pointer
15:40<thor_>check if the int still corresponds to an existing socket, and use that
15:47<thor_>'cause the handler thread might want to do what the client asked even if the client went away (transcode a DVD 'fer example)
15:54<thor_>hmmm ... attribution to "fixing" playlists seems a tad over precise
15:59<thor_>arrrrgggghhhh .... I swear I'm gonna write a programming language called C;; that doesn't require friggin semicolons everywhere
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16:01<thor_>and does require them at the end of if()'s !
16:03<nulltank>thor_: ok, i'll bite; how would the compiler know a statement is finished? and please don't say say EOL
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16:05* nulltank can't stand python because whitespace matters in it
16:05<thor_>just like COBOL, stay in your columns
16:05<thor_>(i am kidding(
16:10<sfr>hey guys, what do think about freeing some screen space by changing the misc. recording options from a list to a combobox?
16:11<sfr>i'm refering to the 'basic' recordings options screen.
16:12<thor_>hmmm, don't try and test it by selecting Unkown in the Program Guide
16:15<thor_>nothing important
16:17<Chutt>sfr, i like that screen as it is
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16:18<sfr>but the misc. options (daily, weekly...) take up a lot of space that could be better used to show the description imho.
16:19<sfr>i switched to a program listing that provides quite long descriptions
16:21<Chutt>i don't really like to use combo boxes for important stuff in the ui
16:21<Chutt>except where it's needed in the settings code, for instance
16:22<Chutt>hard to see what the available options are
16:23<sfr>i agree, but it's being already used in the adv. recordings option screen, due to the limited space
16:23<Chutt>i don't use that screen at all
16:24<Chutt>it's 'advanced' :p
16:24<sfr>and anyway we expect new users to read the docs, so they should know the power of mythtv.
16:25<Chutt>would it be considered rude to tell that guy on -users to stop being a whiney bitch and use google to answer simple questions instead of the mailing lists?
16:25<sfr>or you could simply ignore him
16:25<Chutt>but that's no fun
16:26<sfr>heh, no
16:26<thor_>the key is to be biting and funny .... nobody does it better than Torvalds
16:30<thor_>also, try to avoid Nazis
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19:58<bline>a day for multiple posts
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20:10<tmk>you had any free cycles to look into that bug from earlier chutt?
20:10<tmk>the IVTV_IOC_FRAMESYNC one
20:19<cesman>tmk:which would you recommend a PVR 250 or 350?
20:19<phar0e>has there been any reports of recent CVS audio problems? or is my system posessed?
20:20<tmk>cesman: depends what you want
20:20<tmk>if you have a slow box, you almost need a 350
20:20<tmk>if you have a fast box, why get a 250? :)
20:20<sfr>b/c of the mpeg2 decoder?
20:20<tmk>i hear the quality of the video is good however
20:20<tmk>i've never used any other cards
20:21<tmk>sfr: ya
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20:25<cesman>tmk:so I can kick some a$$ win XMAME while recording something
20:25<tmk>hehe ok fair enough
20:26<tmk>i am quite fond of my 350
20:26<tmk>but it won't be able to play mame games on the output i don't think
20:26<cesman>I was wondering about that...
20:26<tmk>run the svideo out from the video card
20:26<tmk>to the svideo in on the card
20:27<tmk>it can do 'passthru'
20:27<cesman>thought about that as well ;)
20:27<tmk>i've been meaning to make it an option to be 'passthru by default'
20:27<tmk>ie when not recording
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20:32<cesman>tmk:forgot to say THANKS for the ivtv drivers!
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20:58<Chutt>tmk, no, been busy with stuff at work
20:59<Chutt>tmk, did notice that newegg is selling refurb avermedia m179 cards or whatever their version of the 250-1 is for $44
20:59<Chutt>in case you wanted to pick one up cheap to make it work or something :p
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21:02<phar0e>when I use mythtranscode it uses profile id now, but, under that profile id there are Default, Live TV, High & Low Quality
21:02<phar0e>how do I select say.. Low Quality?
21:10<tmk>someone posted that earlier
21:10<tmk>i was trying to get someone to buy me one so i could make it work
21:10<tmk>they currently work ok for video, but the sound chip is different
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21:16<phar0e>what is funny DogBoy?
21:16<DogBoy>trying to figure out how to add a second tv card in mythtv-setup
21:17<DogBoy>I was asking cesman about it and he said there was a #mythtv channel
21:17<tmk>press enter while selecting the (create new card) option
21:18<DogBoy>and then the second card will be just like the first but with like /dev/video0 rather than /dev/video ?
21:18<tmk>well first card should be /dev/video0
21:18<tmk>second /dev/video1 etc
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21:21<DogBoy>hmm confusing
21:21<phar0e>you'll have cardid 2, then you'll have to get a second set of channels.. 20xx for that card I believe
21:22<tmk>you can use the same channel source
21:22<tmk>on multiple cards/inputs tho
21:23<tmk>you shouldn't define duplicates of listsings
21:23<tmk>ie 2 "digital-cable" entries for the same zipcode
21:23<tmk>just need one
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21:46<bbeattie>Chutt: Someone sent a patch through for fixing mpegts, but I don't think it was cvs patch (It was about 4 lines added) will you be posting that, or do you want a real cvs diff patch?
21:47<Captain_Murdoch>tmk: so the CX23415 on newegg is a typo and it's actually a CX24315 chip?
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22:12<Captain_Murdoch>doh: just noticed tmk left a while ago. :)
22:16<Chutt>bbeattie, naw, i can apply it manually, no prob.
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22:53<DogBoy>gee it takes a long time to do that tv grab thing
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22:58<sdh>anyone have any idea why my backend dies with a decoding error message after it finishes recording a show?
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23:04<kvandivo>sometimes i just feel compelled to post this URL:
23:05<DogBoy>eric s. raymond
23:06<DogBoy>he had the best laugh in "revolution os"
23:08<sdh>kvandivo: well I can provide more info, that's the beauty of it
23:08<sdh>is this something that requires a backtrace?
23:08<Chutt>sdh, well, a backtrace probably wouldn't help, if it's dying with an error message
23:09<sdh>ok, well it's cvs from a few days ago with a pvr 250
23:09<sdh>say I have 2 shows lined up to record back to back
23:09<sdh>the first records fine
23:09<sdh>then the backend dies at exactly the end of the show
23:10<Chutt>well, it's decoding for the commercial detection stuff
23:10<kvandivo>what 'decoding error message' is it giving, exactly?
23:11<sdh>that's it
23:11<sdh>decoding error
23:11<sdh>very descriptive
23:11<Chutt>heh, well, it's from avcodec
23:11<bline>Chutt: is there something that happens every 70 seconds in some thread?
23:11<Chutt>there's no error return, just a -1, so the error message really can't be any more descriptive
23:11<Chutt>bline, every 70 seconds?
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23:12<Chutt>i don't think so, why?
23:12<bline>Yeah, 68-70
23:12<bline>ok, thanks
23:12<Chutt>what's it doing?
23:12<cbreen>anyone know where Ic an find more information on getting two ir receivers working at one
23:12<bline>pvr is dropping frames every 68-70 seconds like clockwork
23:12<bline>strange that it is like clockwork
23:12<Chutt>it syncs to disk every second or two
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23:12<sdh>Chutt: so are you inferring that somehow my mpeg capture is borked?
23:12<Chutt>might be the db writes?
23:12<Chutt>sdh, yup
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23:13<Chutt>or something else is wrong
23:13<sdh>odd, cause myth will play the file fine
23:13<bline>ill debug it someday heh
23:13<sdh>I suppose I could disable commercial skip...
23:13<Chutt>sdh, huh, weird
23:14<kvandivo>bline.. how many frames is it dropping?
23:14<kvandivo>a bunch, or a few?
23:14<Chutt>it's using the exact same code for the commercial stuff as it is for playback
23:14<sdh>yeah, I figured
23:14<sdh>so where else can I look
23:14<bline>7 to 8 hundred
23:14<kvandivo>700 - 800? wow..
23:14<bline>assuming a buffer is a frame
23:14<Chutt>sdh, dunno, really
23:14<bline>and i think tmk said it is
23:15<Chutt>depends on how skilled you are, really =)
23:15<kvandivo>so every 70 seconds, you are loosing up to 26 seconds of frames?
23:15<Chutt>next thing to do would be to look in libavcodec to see what the hell's going on in there to make it avcodec_decode_video return with an error
23:16<bbeattie>if I haven't done an update in 2 weeks, are there any cvs updates? I know stuff was moved out of the cvs.sql, but I just want to double check that it isn't needed.
23:16<bline>kvandivo: Oct 1 19:35:40 localhost last message repeated 745 times\nOct 1 19:36:52 localhost last message repeated 826 times
23:16<Chutt>bbeattie, it's all automatic now
23:16<bline>see it in the video pretty well
23:17<dopez>bline: any mpeg decoding artifacts?, might be firmware problems
23:17<bbeattie>Chutt: thanks, .. does that include other modules?
23:17<bline>i've tried every firmware there is and 4 different kernerl. beginning to think it is hardware
23:17<Chutt>bbeattie, not yet, but no other modules have any database updates
23:17<bbeattie>Chutt: thank you.
23:18<sdh>I can also trigger the same error when I go to recorded programs in mythweb and it tried to generate the screenshot and fails
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23:19<Chutt>sdh, yeah, same code as the commercial skip stuff
23:19<kvandivo>bline, have you tweaked the bitrate? that might help isolate if it is a situation with a buffer filling up
23:20<kvandivo>(you said 'pvr', so i'm assuming an x50)
23:24<warlord>bline: how fast is your HDD?
23:24<warlord>and your CPU and bus?
23:26<bline>fast, new 160G seagate liguid bearing, athlon xp 1800
23:27<bline>the only reason I asked was it didnt do this till latest cvs update 5 days ago
23:27<bline>but it could just as well be the board starting to go out
23:27<warlord>did you update ivtv, too?
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23:39<ajayrockrock>any gentoo users in here? I'm having a problem with building xmltv
23:40<ChaosExiguum>what kinda problem?
23:40<ajayrockrock>actually the problem is with dev-perl/perl-tk-800.024-r2
23:40<ajayrockrock>there's a bug report already, I just wanted to know how you worked around it.
23:42<ChaosExiguum>hmm, hang on a sec
23:42<bline>install it manually?
23:42<ChaosExiguum>it emerged fine for me, thats the version im running
23:43<ajayrockrock>what version of perl and ExtUtils-MakeMaker
23:43<ajayrockrock>I've got perl-5.8.1 and ExtUtils-MakeMaker is at 6.16-r1
23:44<ChaosExiguum>let me check
23:46<ChaosExiguum>hmm, 5.8.1 is devel, im running 5.8.0-r12
23:46<ChaosExiguum>and no makemaker
23:47<ajayrockrock>thanks. I'm going to try downgrading perl.
23:47<bline>MakeMaker comes with perl, the stuff gentoo does with it is slightly perverted
23:47<ChaosExiguum>any reason your using unstable ebuilds?
23:47<bline>why not just install it manually?
23:47<bline>perl -MCPAN -e 'install "Tk"'
23:47<ajayrockrock>I've been running ~x86 for a while.
23:48<ChaosExiguum>ahh, I'd try the downgrade, then manual as a last resort
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23:49<ajayrockrock>yeah, I like CPAN but I get this feeling like it will conflict with the portage vresions.
23:49<bline>perl doesn't work like that...
23:49<bline>but whatever
23:50<ChaosExiguum>bline, work like what?
23:50<bline>You will not have problems installing Perl
23:50<bline>'s tk ontop of it's selfd
23:50<bline>ugg, damn keyboard
23:51<ChaosExiguum>ahh, right
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23:54<bbeattie>Chutt: for first time mythtv users, does the database autoload for them into the mythconverg database?
23:54<Chutt>though i haven't tested that yet
23:54<Chutt>need to sometime soon
23:55<Chutt>mc.sql still needs to be run
23:55<Chutt>but all it does now is create the database and the user to access it
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