| --- | Log | opened Sun Oct 05 00:00:52 2003 |
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| 00:38 | <anurag> | i am trying to install mythtv and whenever i start, it says backend not configured |
| 00:38 | <anurag> | any help? |
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| 00:39 | <mikegrb> | anurag: you need to run the backend setup program |
| 00:39 | <mikegrb> | did you install from source or a binary distribution? |
| 00:40 | <anurag> | well i got it working now |
| 00:40 | <anurag> | almost! |
| 00:40 | <anurag> | i type mythfrontend, start tv and then the screen goes blank |
| 00:41 | <mikegrb> | what does the error message in the console you started the frontend say? |
| 00:41 | <anurag> | i cannot do anything. the entire screen is blank and none of the keys are working |
| 00:42 | <anurag> | looks like i'll have to kill it |
| 00:42 | <mikegrb> | it should most likely say something about not being able to open the audio device |
| 00:42 | <mikegrb> | hit alt+tab |
| 00:42 | <mikegrb> | brb gotta go put a blank dvd in upstairs |
| 00:43 | <anurag> | yepz. cannot open /dev/dsp |
| 00:44 | <anurag> | it also says cannot open video device |
| 00:44 | <anurag> | btw, i am using a epia-nehemiah machine |
| 00:45 | <mikegrb> | can't open video device? can you paste that error |
| 00:46 | <anurag> | Unknown video codec open no such device |
| 00:46 | <anurag> | ioctl VIDIOC_G_FMT : Invalid argument |
| 00:46 | <mikegrb> | what capture card? |
| 00:46 | <mikegrb> | pvr-250? |
| 00:46 | <anurag> | pixel view play tv pro |
| 00:46 | <mikegrb> | hmmm |
| 00:46 | <anurag> | btw, i have not installed xml tv |
| 00:47 | <mikegrb> | are you using oss audio drivers? |
| 00:47 | <anurag> | and i am running mythvtv over my local lan (100mbps) |
| 00:47 | <anurag> | yes, i am using oss |
| 00:47 | <anurag> | shud i try alsa? |
| 00:48 | <mikegrb> | well are the frontend and backend on the same machine? |
| 00:48 | <anurag> | yes |
| 00:48 | <mikegrb> | well then it isn't going over the lan, right ; |
| 00:49 | <anurag> | i am using vnc |
| 00:49 | <anurag> | too lazy to use 2 k/b's at the same time |
| 00:50 | <mikegrb> | oh, okay |
| 00:51 | <anurag> | i am compiling alsa right now |
| 00:51 | <mikegrb> | well I'm pretty sure you cant actually run it via vnc |
| 00:51 | <mikegrb> | right you will probably need it |
| 00:51 | <mikegrb> | what that gets you is full duplex sound |
| 00:51 | <anurag> | lemme connect the k/b and try |
| 00:51 | <mikegrb> | the backend records the audio from /dev/dsp and the frontend needs to be able to open this same device /dev/dsp for output |
| 00:52 | <mikegrb> | if the driver doesn't support full duplex you will get that error abt not being able to open /dev/dsp |
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| 00:54 | <anurag> | but why does the screen go blank? |
| 00:55 | <mikegrb> | well the display goes away then it tries to open up the audio and gets stuck because it can't |
| 00:55 | <anurag> | is there any option that i can disable sound and watch tv w/o it? |
| 00:55 | <mikegrb> | nope |
| 00:55 | <anurag> | that means i must install alsa? |
| 00:55 | <mikegrb> | yes |
| 00:56 | <anurag> | okie. its getting installed |
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| 01:29 | <anurag> | okie i got alsa installed |
| 01:29 | <anurag> | but it still says cannot open audio device: /dev/dsp |
| 01:33 | <anurag> | any help in this? |
| 01:33 | <anurag> | i can get the mythtv frontend, but cannot watch tv |
| 01:34 | <josephk> | don't use kde |
| 01:34 | <josephk> | lol |
| 01:34 | <josephk> | try windowmaker |
| 01:35 | <josephk> | check if artsd is running and any aplay processes |
| 01:36 | <josephk> | search the list ... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Users_F11/ |
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| 01:46 | <anurag> | it still cant open alsa :( |
| 01:46 | <anurag> | rather , /dev/dsp |
| 01:48 | <anurag> | damn it. i'll try tomorrow |
| 01:48 | <anurag> | getting back to hw |
| 01:49 | <josephk> | kill the process that's using it |
| 01:49 | <overridex> | lsof | grep dsp might show you what's using it... |
| 01:55 | <anurag> | hang on trying |
| 01:58 | <anurag>lsof | grep dsp shows no output |
| 02:02 | <anurag> | shit! still cannot open /dev/dsp |
| 02:02 | <anurag> | DAMNNNNNNNN |
| 02:03 | <anurag> | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
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| 02:46 | <tdb30_> | humm. can anyone tell me where in the lircd package rc is located? I can't seem to find it anywhere |
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| 08:13 | <Toothpick> | Good morning. |
| 08:13 | <sfr> | g'day |
| 08:13 | <Toothpick> | Will mythtv recorde closed captioning and take a still at a selected time interval...say every 30 seconds? |
| 08:14 | <Toothpick> | I tried searching google and couldn't come up with anything. |
| 08:15 | <sfr> | no idea, but you could still look at the code, Toothpick. :) |
| 08:15 | <Toothpick> | I don't know morse code from c. |
| 08:16 | <Toothpick> | While that isn't entirely true...it is close. |
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| 10:04 | <Toothpick> | Hello, does anyone know of hand if mythtv will record closed captioning and take a screenshot at a specified interval? (Say every 30 seconds?) |
| 10:05 | <kvandivo> | close captioning: depends on the tuner card.. it doesn't for the x50's (yet). no way built in to d screenshots. |
| 10:14 | <Toothpick> | kvandivo...ok I currently use the ati wonder ve with windows...and I am able to do the closed captioning and screen shots. |
| 10:14 | <Toothpick> | Was wondering about a linux alternative that is all. |
| 10:15 | <sfr> | kvandivo: yet. is there still hope? |
| 10:19 | <Toothpick> | I wonder if wine can run the ati multimedia center |
| 10:19 | <Toothpick> | I'll have to try that. |
| 10:31 | <kvandivo> | Toothpick: sfr: for the CC? sure. just a matter of the ivtv driver supporting it |
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| 11:03 | <Toothpick> | It's great to have closed captioning with an occasional screen shot... |
| 11:03 | <Toothpick> | especially for soap operas ;) |
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| 11:37 | <memzy> | Is it just my ISP's DNS or is MyTV.org down? |
| 11:38 | <memzy> | MythTV.org** |
| 11:38 | <sfr> | down it seems, or Chutt playing with it :) |
| 11:38 | <memzy> | sorry typo |
| 11:38 | <memzy> | kewl |
| 11:40 | <memzy> | Just a query but could you use two PVR-350's with two cable lines, in a server? |
| 11:42 | <sfr> | people are doing that, i think. i only have one pvr350 and another tuner card. |
| 11:43 | <memzy> | kewl |
| 11:43 | <memzy> | that has potential for neat then, a server with a couple of them and a terabyte or so of harddrive space, and a dozen mini-ITX's running MiniMyth |
| 11:43 | <memzy> | you know? |
| 11:43 | <memzy> | kewl stuff |
| 11:44 | <sfr> | that's why we use it, cause its cool. :) |
| 11:46 | <memzy> | :) |
| 11:46 | <memzy> | I cant really afford such a massive system, btw |
| 11:46 | <memzy> | when im a multimillionaire maybe :P |
| 11:46 | <kvandivo> | nobody said you had to start that big. :) |
| 11:46 | <memzy> | Id like too |
| 11:46 | <memzy> | :P |
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| 11:56 | <Captain_Murdoch> | sfr: answer to your question sometime yesterday: commercial detection starts after the recording finishes, but for software encoding, blank frames are also detected during the recording process so you should be able to get somewhat accurate commercial skipping right after a recording finishes but before the real commercial detection is complete. |
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| 11:58 | <sfr> | Captain_Murdoch: hi. but i only use h/w encoding, ce la vie. |
| 12:03 | <pmowry_> | Good Day, http://mythtv.org has a DNS error for me, is it down or just my ISP? |
| 12:05 | <pmowry_> | sfr: I was planning on buying a PVR-350 to use for both encoding and tv out. Do you loose some features going the hardware route? |
| 12:06 | <pmowry_> | I assume commercial skipping would still work, if given time to complete before viewing. |
| 12:06 | <sfr> | not that i know of. but the h/w decoder isn't working fully yet, afaik. at least i didn't try to set it up yet. |
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| 12:09 | <pmowry_> | I'm building a system out of a P3-550mhz with 1G of ram. Given the CPU speed, I figured the more Ican off-load the better. |
| 12:11 | <sfr> | it can't hurt. but i never used s/w encoding. |
| 12:12 | <pmowry_> | But I'm not sure if the TV-out on the PVR-350 will handle the overlays, or work as a display for mame and snes9x as well. |
| 12:13 | <pmowry_> | Would anyone be interested in mythgame being expanded to frontend xstella (Atari 2600) ang Gens (Sega Genisis) emulators as well? |
| 12:15 | <pmowry_> | I've got a closet full of old systems, and I prefer to leave them there and use the emulators. |
| 12:17 | <pmowry_> | I know i'm showingmy age, but 10 minutes of yars revenge, or Sonic the hedgehog have a nice calming effect. |
| 12:17 | <pmowry_> | At least until someone else notices and laughs hysterically ;) |
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| 12:26 | | * kvandivo starts laughing hysterically. |
| 12:26 | | * sfr joins in laughing |
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| 12:37 | <brunes> | hello... who is the maintainer of the dvd plugin? |
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| 12:37 | <pmowry_> | So is it worth subbmitting a patch? Or perhaps designing generic pages for extending emulator support? |
| 12:43 | <brunes> | there seems to be a problem with mythdvd in the 0.11 release... I am using xine for the player. When I exit the DVD, focus is not returned to the mythtv screen, I can't even restore focus through alt-tab. I need to kill mythfrontend and restart it to get it working again. Anyone else see this? |
| 12:47 | <pmowry_> | sorry, never used it. |
| 12:47 | <brunes> | ill just remove it I guess |
| 12:47 | <brunes> | worked fine before when I just had my own menu entry |
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| 13:01 | <_marc> | hello everybody... what is the status on the PVR-350 decoder? How does one set it up, and can it only show TV/OSD, or the GUI as well? |
| 13:06 | <pmowry_> | Common question today.. |
| 13:06 | <_marc> | ? |
| 13:07 | <_marc> | anyplace i could look it up? |
| 13:07 | <pmowry_> | from ivtv-dev: |
| 13:07 | <pmowry_> | <vektor> My understanding (and I don't own one) is that we could turn it into a |
| 13:07 | <pmowry_> | proper TV output framebuffer. |
| 13:07 | <pmowry_> | With that in mind, I assume itcan do the overlays as well. |
| 13:07 | <pmowry_> | but i ahve not spoken to anyone who has one yet. |
| 13:08 | <_marc> | I do... but I am an utter newbie :-( |
| 13:11 | <pmowry_> | Mine will be in Wednesday. |
| 13:27 | <pmowry_> | Well, I'll be back after I get my capture card. // If I decide its worth the trouble to extend the emulator support for mythgame, I'llsubmit a patch to the -dev list. |
| 13:27 | <pmowry_> | Later |
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| 14:05 | <sfr> | rkulagow: around? |
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| 14:24 | <rkulagow> | sfr: yes. |
| 14:25 | <sfr> | Hi. i noticed the section about mythfilldatabase is lacking some information. |
| 14:25 | <DogBoy> | documentation is like sex, when it's good it's very good, when it's not so good it's still better than nothing |
| 14:26 | <rkulagow> | yes, it is. mostly the manual stuff, since i never had to use it. |
| 14:26 | <sfr> | the --preset option isn't mentioned. And --xawchannels $sourceid should probably mention what sourceid is. |
| 14:26 | <rkulagow> | sure, write something up and mail it to me. |
| 14:27 | <rkulagow> | i'm editing now, so if you can get it to me today it'll be in the next version. |
| 14:27 | <sfr> | pure ascii is ok, i hope. |
| 14:27 | <sfr> | see mythfilldatabase --help for what --preset does. :P |
| 14:27 | <rkulagow> | straight ascii is preferred. |
| 14:28 | <sfr> | i'll think about the 'rest'. |
| 14:30 | <sfr> | should it say: 'where people are used' or 'where the people are used'. I would say the former. |
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| 14:34 | <rkulagow> | chutt: you here? |
| 14:35 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 14:40 | <rkulagow> | chutt: adding a blurb for firewalls. port 6544 is TCP for status; i'm assuming that 6543 is TCP (vs. UDP) for client/server comms, correct? |
| 14:40 | <Chutt> | right |
| 14:40 | <rkulagow> | chutt: greate, thanks. |
| 14:40 | <rkulagow> | oops, merlot is yummy. |
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| 15:32 | <sfr> | since some time, every now and then my frontend stops responding to key presses. live-tv still works, though. |
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| 20:19 | <tdb30_> | how come everytime I install mythtv I feal like I'm jumping into a freezing lake. |
| 20:21 | <mikegrb> | I dunno, I feel like I'm jumping into a river of milk and honey ;) |
| 20:23 | <tdb30_> | heh, most of the pain is installing the xmltv stuff |
| 20:30 | <extremis> | hah, so.. .I had to compile 2.4.22 |
| 20:30 | <extremis> | the redhat kernel sucks |
| 20:30 | <extremis> | does not work well with dvb |
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| 20:35 | <martman> | if i get 2 tunners(for picture in picture and for recording one while watching another) would i need 2 sound cards? |
| 20:37 | <[DJ]HaCK> | martman, yes |
| 20:37 | <martman> | dam... thanks |
| 20:37 | <GreyFoxx> | Well that would epend on the cards you get for tuners |
| 20:38 | <GreyFoxx> | WinTV PVR's encode the audio directly in the mpeg stream so no sound card is needed. |
| 20:38 | <GreyFoxx> | And a lot of BT based cards can use the btaudio to grab the audio directly from the card |
| 20:38 | <martman> | what about a AVerTV Studio Deluxe Ed |
| 20:38 | <GreyFoxx> | No clue :) |
| 20:38 | <martman> | lol |
| 20:39 | <martman> | im looking for one on tigerdirect |
| 20:39 | <martman> | any one know of a good one there? |
| 20:39 | <martman> | better site( i want to build a whole comp on one site for shiopping reasons) |
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| 21:07 | <extremis> | hrm |
| 21:07 | <extremis> | not good, I did apt-get install mythtv-suite |
| 21:07 | <extremis> | and I get shitloads of : |
| 21:07 | <extremis> | error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 373 Header V3 DSA signature: BAD, key ID db42a60e |
| 21:07 | <extremis> | then it segfaults |
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| 21:07 | <extremis> | E: Sub-process /bin/rpm recieved a segmentation fault. |
| 21:07 | <extremis> | heh |
| 21:12 | <extremis> | I'm not sure what to do |
| 21:25 | <extremis> | I sure would appreciate any assistance that anyone could provide, I was hoping for an experience set here that would match what I'm encountering |
| 21:29 | <extremis> | redhat seems to be a mistake as a platform for mythtv |
| 21:32 | <[DJ]HaCK> | I'll tell you what every other gentoo user will tell you , get gentoo ! |
| 21:37 | <extremis> | I was using gentoo, and everyone told me to stop using it |
| 21:38 | <extremis> | I bought this machine 6 months ago for mythtv, and I have yet to use it |
| 21:38 | <extremis> | its only been in development |
| 21:38 | <extremis> | things half working |
| 21:38 | <extremis> | things going to work soon |
| 21:38 | <extremis> | almost working |
| 21:38 | <extremis> | mythtv has proven itself to be too much of a pain in the ass to be worthwile |
| 21:38 | <kach> | go with gentoo = emerge mythtv |
| 21:39 | <extremis> | kach: whenI was using gentoo it was super slow |
| 21:39 | <extremis> | and buggy |
| 21:39 | <extremis> | locked up once a day |
| 21:39 | <extremis> | I stopped sending video to the box |
| 21:39 | <extremis> | and reverted to livetv |
| 21:39 | <extremis> | since it was reliable |
| 21:40 | <kach> | i've been using gentoo + cvs myth with no problems |
| 21:40 | <[DJ]HaCK> | same thing here , ymmv |
| 21:40 | <extremis> | kach: dvb working for you? |
| 21:40 | <kach> | i have a pvr 250, so i don't use dvb |
| 21:41 | <extremis> | kach: I have a pvr250 also, but the reliability has been horrible |
| 21:41 | <[DJ]HaCK> | you should have tried to track the problem down instead of replacing the os |
| 21:41 | <extremis> | anyways, so all the time I invested in gentoo was lost because of the pressure to move to redhat for greater reliability |
| 21:42 | <extremis> | djhack: I did |
| 21:42 | <[DJ]HaCK> | so what was the problem , and why didn't you fixed it ? |
| 21:42 | <[DJ]HaCK> | I had lots of problem in the beginning but I managed to iron them out |
| 21:42 | <kach> | i used to use redhat but got tired of the inflexibility and rpm dependicy hell |
| 21:42 | <extremis> | djhack: locked up hard once a day |
| 21:42 | <extremis> | jitter in the video playback |
| 21:43 | <kach> | are you overclocking? |
| 21:43 | <extremis> | kach: negative |
| 21:43 | <extremis> | wierd inconsistencies also, like sound would stop working |
| 21:43 | <extremis> | or lirc would stop sending signals to X |
| 21:43 | <extremis> | or mythtv would hang on video playback and I would have to kill X |
| 21:45 | <extremis> | or the DB would lose all its program entries and I would have to clear it out and rerun mythfilldb |
| 21:45 | <[DJ]HaCK> | that could be a zillion things ... looks like hardware problem for some of the symptoms |
| 21:45 | <extremis> | or I would try to run setup and clear it and when I would put the entries back in for my settop box and areacode it would hang trying to fill the db |
| 21:45 | <extremis> | and then it would start swapping |
| 21:47 | <extremis> | djhack: doubtful |
| 21:47 | <extremis> | only had the problems when mythbackend was running |
| 21:47 | <extremis> | and the associated myth stuffs |
| 21:47 | <extremis> | all other daemons seemed to run fine |
| 21:48 | <extremis> | I've used gentoo on oether hardware with similar problems |
| 21:48 | <extremis> | odd lockups |
| 21:48 | <extremis> | slow performance |
| 21:48 | <extremis> | liek when I put it up against a trustix box for a snort sensor |
| 21:48 | <extremis> | the trustix box outperformed it |
| 21:48 | <kach> | gentoo will beat redhat in performance any day of the week |
| 21:48 | <extremis> | even outperformed it wieht pushing raw packets |
| 21:48 | <extremis> | kach: I'm sorry, from my testing it has not |
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| 21:49 | <extremis> | gentoo is nice in some ways, but horribly broken in others |
| 21:50 | <extremis> | now that you 2 have successfully steered me away from finding an acceptable solution to my problem, could someone else who has redhat expereience take a stab at my current issue |
| 21:50 | <kach> | i started out with redhat 5.0 and used it up until 7.3, since i've been using gentoo, I don't even think about install anything else |
| 21:50 | <kach> | err installing |
| 21:50 | <extremis> | kach: I'm happy for you, I'm sure it meets -your- needs |
| 21:50 | <kach> | are you using the rpms or source? |
| 21:51 | <[DJ]HaCK> | kach, give up , this is going nowhere |
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| 21:52 | <tdb30_> | so, should I go with CVS or go with the .11 release? Any pros or cons? |
| 21:53 | <kach> | depends if your are comfortiable using cvs |
| 21:54 | <kach> | if you are and there is a cvs feature you need go for it, if not stick with .11 |
| 21:58 | <tdb30_> | any decent features in cvs? I'm pretty comfortable with cvs |
| 22:00 | <kach> | i like the browse mode in "live tv". When you go to change the channels the osd pops up and tells you what show is on that channel. The channel doesn't change until you hit enter. That way you avoid the 2 sec channel change when you are just flipping channels (good for the xbox frontend too) |
| 22:01 | <tdb30_> | ooh sweet. That is a good feature |
| 22:02 | <tdb30_> | the channel changing thing. I don't care about the xbox |
| 22:02 | <kach> | aye, that is the main reason i upgraded to cvs. the xbox channel changes were painfully slow, that feature takes care of it |
| 22:03 | <kach> | there are recording profiles now (haven't really used them yet) |
| 22:05 | <kach> | support for the via decoders is in cvs too, I believe |
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| 22:13 | <extremis> | ok, so it seems that ATrpms is broken |
| 22:14 | <extremis> | and it fubarred my redhat install |
| 22:14 | <extremis> | beware |
| 22:15 | <tdb30_> | are mythweather and mythgallery and mythmusic working in cvs or are any of them broken? |
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| 22:16 | <kvandivo> | ~6~7 |
| 22:16 | <kvandivo> | ';2~;2~ |
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| 22:17 | <kvandivo> | dang cat just jumped on the keyboard. sorry bout that |
| 22:17 | <extremis> | hhas anyone used the ATrpms method? |
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| 22:23 | <kach> | all the modules are working in cvs |
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| 22:33 | | * kvandivo mutters something under his breath. |
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