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01:22<FryGuy->this sucks :(
01:22<FryGuy->I can't get my second input working
01:23<FryGuy->the PIP will show the second card, but I can't hit C to change to it for some reason
01:25<FryGuy->doesn't work..
01:25<FryGuy->i already tried that
01:26<Chutt>sure it does.
01:26<FryGuy->i'm sure I screwed it up somewhere though
01:26<Chutt>doubt it, there's nothing to screw up.
01:26<FryGuy->shouldn't 'c' work too?
01:26<Chutt>c switching inputs on a card.
01:26<Chutt>it doesn't have anything to do with pip.
01:27<FryGuy->ok that explains why it worked when I had it hooked up the other way (dtv->composite / comcast->coax)
01:27<FryGuy->what about between different tuners?
01:28<FryGuy->neither b or n work
01:28<Chutt>what about what between different tuners?
01:28<Chutt>b switches which window receives key presses
01:28<Chutt>n simply swaps the channels
01:29<Chutt>it doesn't change which card is providing the video.
01:29<FryGuy->oh I understand
01:29<FryGuy->I thought it switched which tuner is in PiP and which is the big one
01:30<FryGuy->is there a key for that?
01:30<Chutt>no, can't be done.
01:30<FryGuy->ok. Is there a way to change which tuner for the Live TV then?
01:31<Chutt>first available one
01:31<FryGuy->so I have to start a recording on the second tuner and start watching it then?
01:32<FryGuy->sorry for my newbie ness :/
01:32<FryGuy->it's just that only a few of the channels on comcast are the same as the directv receiver
01:32<Chutt>it doesn't deal well with mixed sources
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01:32<FryGuy->most are 3 hours delayed, or local channels
01:32<Chutt>at least in live-tv mode
01:34<FryGuy->is it just a matter of coding it, or is it not designed to deal with multiple tuners well, and no amount of coding will fix it?
01:34<o_cee>nothing is impossible ;)
01:34<Chutt>it'd be pretty easy to put in something to allow you to select a tuner to use when entering live-tv mode
01:35<Chutt>switching while in live-tv mode is more difficult
01:35<Chutt>but it'd be fairly easy
01:35<Chutt>it's nothing i'm going to spend time on, though
01:35<FryGuy->you'd have to disconnect from the backend and then reconnect with the seperate tuner?
01:35<Chutt>it'd actually be _fairly_ similar to the live tv -> recording -> live tv stuff
01:36<FryGuy->would it be hard for a newbie to GTK (but not really to c/c++) to pick up?
01:36<Chutt>when that transitions, it tears down the player, and requests a new connection to the backend
01:36<FryGuy->i'll have to look at it then :)
01:36<o_cee>Chutt: did you forget that fix to mythgallery gallerysettings.cpp?
01:37<FryGuy->i'll have to send myself an email then
01:37<Chutt>o_cee, oh, no, i've just not committed anything to mythgallery yet
01:37<Chutt>the fix is in my local tree
01:37<o_cee>okay :)
01:38<o_cee>when doinng pip, i'd think that there's already a connection to the second stream and just a matter of rescaling them.. didn't think it was any harder than that :/
01:38<Chutt>the pip screen isn't getting scaled
01:39<Chutt>it's capturing at the lower resolution
01:39<o_cee>oh.. i see
01:40<o_cee>so that's why dvb won't work with pip. but when there's rescaling for pip, shouldn't it work like that then?
01:40<Chutt>you'd still not want to rescale if you didn't have to
01:40<Chutt>and you'd _really_ not want to rescale two streams at once in software.
01:40<o_cee>don't know if you can get any other resolution than full from something like dvb, can you?
01:41<o_cee>just one stream that needs rescaling right?
01:41<o_cee>but i guess dvb with a small window of pvr will work without problems then
01:44<o_cee>then i understand why it takes time to go to the epg, it needs to reinit the card to a lower res, right? is the rescaling alternative taking so much cpu that it wouldnt be possible at all?
01:45<Chutt>no, rescaling one thing's free.
01:45<Chutt>that's what xv is for
01:45<Chutt>but it can only do one stream
01:45<o_cee>what does the big stream need for scaling?
01:46<Chutt>displaying it?
01:46<o_cee>heh, okay :)
01:46<o_cee>but is the epg stream scaled or caputred at low res?
01:49<o_cee>how come it often takes time to go to the epg? sql queries only?
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01:50<Chutt>stuff's slower because it's doing that and still displaying video
01:51<tmk>have there been many threads on performance tuning?
01:51<FryGuy->can you precache some of it?
01:51<o_cee>tmk: heheh
01:51<Chutt>precache what of it?
01:51<FryGuy->the sql queries :)
01:52<DogBoy>hmm, i did killall mythtvfrontend and restarted and now I can't watch recordings
01:53<Chutt>tmk, i can't get X and a video to play back at the same time
01:53<o_cee>shouldn't need to be slow there.. should be able to get all data needed with a few queries.. but i also know bjk (?) said he had things to fix there
01:54<Chutt>is starting up the epg slow when it's not in tv mode?
01:54<Chutt>it's not.
01:55<tmk>chutt: yeah that's to be expected
01:55<tmk>until we come up with some way of switching X off
01:55<Chutt>i wanted x on still
01:55<tmk>oh heh
01:55<tmk>wait, x AND video?
01:55<Chutt>why not?
01:55<tmk>should be able to
01:55<Chutt>global alpha
01:55<Chutt>and all
01:56<tmk>the problem is
01:56<Chutt>i disabled mythtv's stuff to open the fbdev completely
01:56<tmk>X doesn't know bout ARGB
01:56<tmk>so it always writes 0 for the A
01:56<tmk>you sure it's global?
01:56<Chutt>i dunno
01:56<Chutt>maybe not =)
01:56<tmk>try that ivtvfbctrl or whatever
01:56<Chutt>but if i have local alpha disabled, the global stuff should take over
01:57<tmk>but if it was opaque to begin with
01:57<Chutt>now my X is all fucked up
01:57<tmk>i'm taking this week off from coding in case you didn't hear
01:57<o_cee>Chutt: that's true though :)
01:57* o_cee is away: bbl in 2hrs
01:58<Chutt>heh, ok
01:58<o_cee>later all
01:58<FryGuy->is there a script to delete programs that have orphaned channels?
01:58<Chutt>tmk, it's like X thinks the buffer stride is wrong
01:59<Chutt>after i started decoding something
01:59<tmk>did you use it with the old stride bfore?
01:59<tmk>it seems that the stride needs to be 720x2
01:59<tmk>while decoding
01:59<tmk>or all the time i guess
02:00<Chutt>i had X running before decoding
02:00<Chutt>then i started playback
02:00<Chutt>when i exited, X looked all messed up
02:00<Chutt>yeah, doesn't really matter =)
02:01<Chutt>"2)I've never used Linex before, do you think this is too difficult a first project?"
02:01<tmk>howd you get x going.. i tried for about 5 mins but didn't get anywhere
02:01<tmk>i hear theres some trick to findin the right pci-id for X
02:01<Chutt>just did exactly what's in ivtv-fb.c
02:01<Chutt>and ran lspci and got the right pci id
02:01<tmk>i'll try it again someday
02:01<FryGuy->select program.title, channel.chanid from program right join channel on channel.chanid = program.chanid having chanid is null limit 10;
02:02<FryGuy->i never can remember which join I need to use for leaving in rows in the from table without corresponding rows in the joined table
02:02<tmk>dumb question alert: any way to speed up the querys to mysql (caching/whatever) so it doesn't take 3-5 secs to open up the 'watch recordings' screen?
02:02<Chutt>tmk, most of the load time is loading in all the images
02:03<Chutt>for the screen
02:03<tmk>what images?
02:03<Chutt>all the ui stuff
02:03<tmk>can that be cached?
02:04<Chutt>are you still running at something other than 800x600?
02:04<tmk>yea :)
02:04<tmk>especially if i run x out the tv-out
02:04<Chutt>just try 800x600 sometime, see how fast it is
02:04<Chutt>and, yeah, it can be cached
02:04<Chutt>i just haven't wanted to lose the ram that takes is all yet
02:04<tmk>how might that be accomplished
02:05<tmk>oh.. it's a code thing?
02:05<tmk>not some secret /etc/.secretQTdirectory/QT.conf entry?
02:05<Chutt>it's still loading stuff from disc
02:05<tmk>of course the first time can be slow
02:05<Chutt>and it does cache the pre-scaled images
02:05<Chutt>so that helps some
02:06<Chutt>and it _is_ talking to the backend
02:06<Chutt>so that takes a little time
02:06<tmk>are some not pre-cached?
02:06<tmk>this is local server
02:06<Chutt>right, but the backend decides all that stuff
02:06<tmk>i can try 800x600 though
02:06<tmk>let's see how that goes
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02:15<tmk>that's much faster
02:15<tmk>~2secs faster in fact
02:15<tmk>but still takes 3 secs
02:35<tmk>yo chutt
02:35<tmk>you have to turn on global alpha
02:36<tmk>and OFF local alpha
02:36<tmk>for the screen to come back
02:36<tmk>other than that, it SEEMS to work great right now
02:36<tmk>no need for my monitor! :)
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03:04<tmk>chutt: check the ivtv-dev list
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10:55<accurate>Has anyone attempted to sell hardware using mythtv? I'm thinking about doing this for a few people.
10:57<o_cee>there's some reports of it on the list
10:57<thor_> <--- work in progress
10:57<thor_>plus something in Italy
10:57<thor_>and another one in Canada
10:58<thor_>all on the mailing list
10:58<o_cee>thor_: no answer from H/K yet (suprise) :)
10:58<thor_>I wouldn't hold your breath
10:58<o_cee>heheh, nah.
10:59<thor_>that would be the Italian Job
10:59<o_cee>Chutt: did you see that guy writing a review for the pchdtv card that was here some day ago?
11:00<thor_>Installazione a domicilio <--- 300 Euros for home installation
11:00<thor_>he he
11:00<o_cee>oh my
11:00<Chutt>o_cee, i think so, yes
11:00<Chutt>what about it?
11:00<o_cee>Hard disk da 40 a 600 Gigabyte <- yikes
11:00<thor_>2000 euros for the box
11:01<thor_>but it's sweet looking, DIvine case I think
11:01<o_cee>he mumbled something about you getting the card after him?
11:01<o_cee>thought he said something like that
11:02<thor_>Chutt, you have any idealogical opposition to DAAP ?
11:02<o_cee>you should.. i mean, what other good software is there to use with the card?
11:02<Chutt>thor, daap?
11:02<thor_>Digital Audio Access Protocol
11:02<Chutt>o_cee, i don't have an antenna, and have many trees near me
11:02<o_cee>oh :/ too bad
11:02<thor_>how iTunes (and some open source stuff) pushes music bits around a network
11:03<thor_>http basically, with some extra headers
11:03<Chutt>ah, whatever
11:03<Chutt>would prefer to keep dependencies down, of course
11:03<thor_>no deps
11:03<thor_>native implementation
11:04<Chutt>sounds good then
11:04<thor_>it's just transport (then existing decoders)
11:04<thor_>anybody out there got a Mac running close by?
11:04<o_cee>not really :/
11:04<thor_>(with iTunes on it)
11:04<o_cee>thought about getting an iPod though
11:07<accurate>I wonder what these mythtv/linux devices do when xmltv needs updating, this could be a problem.
11:08<o_cee>guess they've got some automatic updating system
11:08<accurate>yeah, they'd better. heh
11:08<thor_>accurate, it's been discussed to death on -user
11:09<o_cee>i think Chutt should get percentage on those boxes ;)
11:10<Chutt>like anyone would do that
11:10<thor_>Chutt, do you know (off hand) if native libc level sockets (i.e. non Qt-event driven) will place nice inside a QThread?
11:10<Chutt>thor, depends if you're doing anything to them outside of the thread
11:10<thor_>not planning to ....
11:10<Chutt>nothing at all?
11:10<Chutt>then they should work fine
11:11<thor_>cool, thanks
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11:33<o_cee>wow, chaning 1024x768->800x600 really speeds things up :)
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12:53<kvandivo>so, two of the nobel prize winners this year are affiliated with the institute where I work, and a third actually works on a project that my group has provided computer animations for. not a bad year for us
12:54<mikegrb>kvandivo: heh congrats
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13:05<Chutt>is gapless playback in mythmusic broken again?
13:06<thor_>not that I'm aware of
13:06<Chutt>probably something i did
13:06<thor_>(... don't think *I've* changed anything ...)
13:07<thor_>kvandivo, Bethesda ?
13:07<thor_>Chemistry or Medicine?
13:08<kvandivo>what? where I work? beckman institute, UIUC, theoretical and computational biophysics
13:08<thor_>ah, so the Medicine awards ?
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13:09<Chutt>yeah, gapless playback's not working =)
13:09<thor_>and it's really buggin you
13:10<kvandivo>umm.. leggett and lauteberer (not spelled correct) work with the institute (physics and medicine nobel's, i believe) and ager (today's chemistry award) works on water channels, which my group simulates on various supercomputers.. as luck would have it, we've got one of our simulation animations on the nobel website itself, as a result
13:10<Chutt>i'm fixing it
13:10<thor_>kvandivo, very cool
13:10<mikegrb>kvandivo: :)
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13:13<thor_>Chutt, it was me (I think)
13:14<Chutt>the stop() in handleTreeListSignals
13:14<Chutt>is the culprit
13:14<thor_>... ah .... not there yet
13:14<Chutt>anything bad if i remove that?
13:15<thor_>been a while ?
13:15<Chutt>Fix pause then move to another file problem.
13:15<Chutt>YASSKP (Yet Another Super Secret Key Press)
13:15<thor_>ah yeah, that was me ....
13:15<Chutt>is the changelog from the commit that broke things
13:16<thor_>you can rip that out ... or change to isPaused check
13:16<Chutt>and, yeah, removing that stop seems to break things
13:17<thor_>used to be just play()
13:18<thor_>the whole block
13:20<Chutt>ok, i think i have something that works
13:20<kvandivo>ahh.. the sound of overwhelming optimism
13:21<Chutt>there, now i can get back to real work
13:21<Chutt>just have a cd that violates the standard and about half the tracks run into each other
13:21<Chutt>sounds slightly better when played back without gaps between em
13:21<sfr>real work, yeah ;)
13:21<kvandivo>"live" cd's are notorious for that
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13:25<mechtn2>umm hi
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13:47<mechtn>i was interested in doing the mythtv mini distro of linux
13:47<mechtn>anyone know what i'm talking about?
13:47<thor_>knoppixMyth ?
13:48<FryGuy->or the epia one?
13:49<mechtn>gonna run it on my xbox
13:49<poo>it'd be sweet if the xbox could do HD out.
13:50<mechtn>HD out?
13:50<tmk>are there any consumer-level (aka < $200) tv out cards for pc that support hd?
13:51<bline>didnt someone already do "myth on xbox"?
13:51<FryGuy->see my link
13:51<jkolb>The Radeon 7500 does, I think.
13:51<mechtn>ya i looked at his
13:51<tmk>linux support?
13:51* jkolb shrugs
13:51<bline>he posts updates to the list
13:52<mechtn>i'm not very experianced with linux or modding my xbox yet
13:52<thor_>uhm, I know nothing about HD, but don't you just want an HDTV that takes VGA/component in?
13:52<mechtn>i just got linux loader on it wallago
13:52<tmk>that'd be ideal i suppose
13:52<bline>mornin tmk
13:52<tmk>a hoy hoy
13:53<jkolb>The TVs (even the HDTVs) I've seen with VGA ports only support like 640x480 on it.
13:53<tmk>i got myth's menus going over x
13:53<Chutt>naw, not all of them
13:53<jkolb>Granted, I haven't looked since I purchased mine several years ago, so it may be very different now.
13:53<tmk>you see that post chutt?
13:53<Chutt>tmk, it should be resetting the alpha stuff back
13:53<Chutt>yeah, you just did what i did, basically
13:54<tmk>it's not doing it all the way
13:54<tmk>i have a week-old myth CVS
13:54<Chutt>except when i come back from video, x is all fucked up, like 2 images of everything
13:54<tmk>that post works for me great
13:54<tmk>now i just need to figure out overscan
13:54<Chutt>do you decode any video before starting up the ivtv-fb stuff?
13:54<tmk>cause my tv has issues
13:55<tmk>reboot, load modules
13:55<Chutt>i'm thinking maybe there's something that gets changed
13:55<tmk>load myth on second head
13:55<tmk>watch video
13:55<tmk>exit from video
13:55<tmk>hit my 'cleanup' button
13:55<tmk>and it's all good
13:55<Chutt>ah well
13:55<Chutt>i'll look more into it soon
13:55<tmk>it's nice not have it all on the tv now
13:55<Chutt>i just moved that machine back out to the living room
13:56<Chutt>so it needs to be working soonish =)
13:56<Chutt>i'm down to one computer in my office, it's weird
13:56<Chutt>like a month ago, i had 4 or 5
13:57<o_cee>wonder if the nvidias are able to do 720*576 real pal tvout.. thught i read it was possible with the windows drivers..
13:58<Chutt>tmk, so you think you can do overscan stuff in the driver?
13:58<tmk>probably in the saa7127
13:58<tmk>i haven't looked at that at all
13:58<tmk>i didn't even write that one
13:58<Chutt>well, that'd be cool
13:59<Chutt>what about picture controls? brightness/contrast/tint/etc?
13:59<tmk>same deal
13:59<tmk>ugh.. so many things to do
13:59<o_cee>should overscan be needed? if it's a "real" tvout? i mean, you never need to change overscan on your dvd..
13:59<tmk>my todo list keeps growing
13:59<tmk>oc: well my TV has special issues.. it displays bigger than it has room for
14:00<tmk>so the corners are not visible
14:00<tmk>sucks for nfl scores or w/e
14:00<o_cee>but that should be an issue with the tv, right? i mean, for the tv's service menu to fix.
14:00<o_cee>okay :)
14:00<thor_>tmk, or you could rip the casing off
14:00<tmk>heh. it's off the glass already
14:00<o_cee> check the frontpage.. guess it's windows media center
14:01<tmk>it's $80 at the tv-repair shop to fix it
14:01<tmk>but i fixed it once before
14:01<tmk>and it came back
14:01<tmk>i got the tv for free, not wokring
14:01<tmk>and they fixed it
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14:05<sfr>murder, bloody murder!
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14:07<mikegrb>Subject: PHP-Nuke SQL Injection
14:07<mikegrb>er wrong win ;)
14:08<sfr>you don't need to mention it every time, we already know that :P
14:12<mikegrb>I just want to make sure everyone understands that I am genuinley sorry from the bottom of my heart ;)
14:12<Chutt>tmk, huh, x isn't getting corrupted now
14:14<thor_>hmmm ... binding C callbacks in C objects sucks
14:14<thor_>C++ objects
14:15<Chutt>i thought you were taking the week off? :p
14:15<thor_>that's tmk
14:15<Chutt>oh, sorry
14:15<Chutt>saw the 't'
14:15<thor_>I know the feeling
14:16<thor_>Meyers to the rescue (I hope)
14:18<Chutt>see avformatdecoder.cpp
14:19<Chutt>for what you're doing, i think
14:21<thor_>you talking about those C routine off on their own at the bottom?
14:22<thor_>hmmm .... what's in scope .... aghhhh ... my brain hurts
14:22<Chutt>all the friend functions
14:23<Chutt>those are all c callback functions
14:28<Chutt>tmk, current cvs now saves/restores the state properly
14:29<Chutt>so no more fix script needed
14:35<tmk>you want to tell the mailing-list?
14:35<Chutt>i'll write the ivtv list, since you also missed pointing out the line you have to comment out
14:48<o_cee>argh, the keys in the epg changed back.. cvs must have updated that file.. blergh
14:48<o_cee>had trouble finding it the last time.. let's see..
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15:50<tmk>Chutt: no i didn't miss it
15:50<tmk>i didn't know if you wanted it public yet..
15:51<tmk>people seem to ignore my 'not-supported' note and ask all kinds of decoder questions
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16:04<tmk>Chutt: you still planning to make the epg hal-transparent for the 350
16:04<tmk>and what happens if you tryit while decoding now?
16:04<tmk>i know for me it displays to my monitor when decoding
16:04<tmk>i guess it'll have to
16:05<tmk>(use the monitor)
16:05<tmk>not sure if that'll work currently, or if it'll kill the decoding
16:07<Chutt>tmk, eventually
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16:18<o_cee>does anyone remember the header of the mail with the patch that changes the epg to switch channels on enter instead of brining up the info?
16:18<o_cee>btw, how come the audio stops when going into advanced recording screen via the epg?
16:19<sfr>that's intentional afaik. no video, no sound.
16:20<o_cee>the sound continue a couple of seconds, buffer iguess
16:20<sfr>probably the recorder thread (or what it's called) is being paused/stopped.
16:21<o_cee>still don't see the reason why :)
16:21<sfr>neither me.
16:23<o_cee>can't find that bloody patch
16:24<sfr>maybe it was designed asuming you'd not record/stream video but audio or vice versa. or someting like that.
16:25<o_cee>Chutt: care to shed some light?
16:25<Chutt>you can figure it out
16:26<o_cee>hmm.. because there's no video in that window? can't it be hidden?
16:26<o_cee>just to maintain the audio?
16:27<o_cee>shed, not ched. had to look that one up :)
16:27<o_cee>now i learned something new today, hehhe
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16:35<o_cee>how come you didn't apply this "[PATCH] Fix Guide Bindings"? don't you think that's more logical mapping of the keys? just curious
16:36<Chutt>because i forgot about it originally, and haven't bothered to go find the patch again?
16:36<o_cee>"[PATCH] Fix Guide Bindings" is the subject. Aug 15.
16:38<o_cee>Hunk #1 succeeded at 284 (offset 20 lines). still applies
16:39<Chutt>i also really don't like having different keybindings for the same screen depending on how you entered that screen.
16:41<Chutt>anyway, back later
16:41<o_cee>well.. if you enter the epg from watch tv, it's probably because you want to see what's on, and switch to that channel, no? and when you enter it from "Record show" you want to sched a recording.. think that's good enough
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16:41<o_cee>well ok.
16:41<o_cee>sfr: you in .de?
16:41<o_cee>ja vohl ja vohl, ich liebe alcohol.
16:42<o_cee>are your programlistning always 30 mins blocks like in the us?
16:45<sfr>no. most evening shows start at 20.15, but they usually follow a 15min grid.
16:47<o_cee>you also noticed the epg shows the wrong ongoing show? assumes 30mins block
16:48<sfr>does it?
16:48<o_cee>yeah. the info is right (i) when watching
16:49<o_cee>but the epg jumps to a show to early
16:49<o_cee>if it doesn't follow 30mins blocks i guess
16:50<sfr>i'm just watching a movie scheduled from 22:25 to 23:40 and the epg shows it correctly (epg started from live-tv)
16:53<sfr>so what you mean is, had i started the epg at 22:28 it still would show the 30min block 22:00-22:30 as the active show?
16:56<o_cee>ah yeah, exactly
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17:27<o_cee>wb, you left just when i hit enter :)
17:28<o_cee>well.. if you enter the epg from watch tv, it's probably because you want to see what's on, and switch to that channel, no? and when you enter it from "Record show" you want to sched a recording.. think that's good enough
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21:33<mechou>Does anybody have 2 PVR-250's in one mythtv system? Any problems recording two programs simultaneously? How about commercial flagging after record, how much CPU would it take to decode two programs at once?
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21:34<kvandivo>yes, no, and your third phrase/sentence doesn't make much sense.
21:35<kvandivo>cpu used to detect commercials isn't too important, since the process is nicely niced,
21:35<kvandivo>and it is unlikely that you would be decoding more than one program at a time on a given machine
21:36<mechou>kvandivo, commercial flagging takes a long time, and I've had issues recording (dropped frames)while flagging, so to speak....
21:36<mechou>but anyhow, so you have no real complaints using 2 PVR-250's in one system?
21:36<Captain_Murdoch>if you drop frames you've got too slow of a system. I have an Athlon 700 as my master backend and it doesn't drop frames while recording and commercial flagging at the same time.
21:37<Captain_Murdoch>or something else is amiss..
21:37<kvandivo>well, I don't personally have two 250's.. your question was 'does anybody'.. those that do don't seem to complain, though
21:37<mechou>well, I got an XP2000+....
21:37<kvandivo>on, that is wayyy more juice than you need.
21:37<kvandivo>you've got a problem somewhere
21:37<Captain_Murdoch>you shouldn't drop frames at all.
21:37<Drag0n>you have dma turned on on the drive?
21:38<mechou>well, what I didn't tell you is that I have a SW encoder on this system too :)
21:38<kvandivo>doesn't matter.. a 2k+ is more than enough to handle that, imho
21:38<mechou>and that drops frames while recodding and flagging commercials....
21:38<Captain_Murdoch>I even use nfs for storage on that athlon 700, so it's reading the first tile, commercial flagging, and capturing, compressing and wrtiing the new file. all with no dropped frames.
21:39<mechou>the reason I ask is because I'd like to use something like this:
21:40<mechou>thus reducing my administrative overhead. But the Media Server SW only runs in Windows :(....
21:41<kvandivo>what _is_ it?
21:42<kvandivo>you are wanting to use it as a frontend or something?
21:42<mechou>it's a thin client that pipes media (avi, mpeg audio & video) to different parts of the house via ethernet....
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21:43<mechou>kvandivo, yea, you got it.
21:43<tmk>i have 2 pvr's
21:43<tmk>haven't noticed any problems recording twice
21:43<tmk>mechou: like videolan?
21:44<mechou>I haven't used video lan, but maybe it's the same....
21:44<mechou>$99 with no or little (client) administration is a dream come true....
21:44<tmk>videolan streams
21:44<tmk>i think there are even windows clients
21:45<mechou>I've already have a "fat" mythtv server....
21:45<thor_>mechou, if it's Hauppauge it's probably some godawful proprietary protocol (Hauppauge writes crappy software)
21:46<mechou>yeah, but the client is running linux....I'm sure it won't be too hard to hack....
21:46<Captain_Murdoch>thor_: or maybe they were lazy and just used http. ;) mechou, go ahead and buy one and let us know.
21:46<thor_>put a packet sniffer on it., won't take long to figure out
21:46<mechou>Captain_Murdoch: I was hoping someone else would take the plunge.... :)
21:47<tmk>videolan has windows/apple/linux/etc clients
21:47<Captain_Murdoch>I just took the plunge on 3 avermedia m179 cards, that's my plunge for this week/month.
21:47<tmk>Captain_Murdoch: heh do they work?
21:47<tmk>haven't heard yet
21:47<mechou>Captain_Murdoch: whats the avermedia m179?
21:47<Captain_Murdoch>installing a new system right now to test. locked up my main workstation when I tried to load the patched driver after changing the pci subsystem id.
21:47<tmk>mechou: it's a pvr-250 essentially
21:47<tmk>CX23416 chip
21:48<Captain_Murdoch>hard lock. power switch wouldn't even cut the thing off. I'm attributing it to the kt133 chipset which works mostly ok with my pvr-250.
21:48<tmk>probably not the problem
21:48<tmk>it's probably detecting as a pvr-350
21:48<tmk>or 250
21:48<Captain_Murdoch>I'm setting up another system right now to throw them all into.
21:48<Captain_Murdoch>gives me the push I've been needing to upgrade my master backend.
21:49<mechou>tmk, are ther linux drivers for m179?
21:49<tmk>it already works with it sans audio
21:49<tmk>a recent patch may make the audio possible though
21:49<mechou>tmk, so it uses pretty much the same HW chips as pvr-250?
21:50<Captain_Murdoch>I bought a machine about a year ago as a "prototype" myth box and told my wife I'd use the machine to upgrade hers after I tested out Myth. never got around to buying a faster box for myth though. now if I can just use 3 M179 cards in this older computer I can give her the athlon 700.
21:51<mechou>Captain_Murdoch: you got to let me know how that goes :)
21:52<mechou>Captain_Murdoch: did you get a good deal on m179? How much does one cost roughly?
21:52<Captain_Murdoch>I paid $39 each for refurbed ones on I think they're all gone now though.
21:53<mechou>that is a good deal.
21:53<mechou>I hope it works for you.
21:53<Captain_Murdoch>this was last week and they weren't there when I searched yesterday. they have new ones for $87 I think. at that price I'd wait till they were supported though.
21:53<Captain_Murdoch>was $117 for 3 "refurbed" cards with free shipping.
21:54<tmk>that's < 1 pvr250
21:54<Captain_Murdoch>yep, less than I paid for my 250.
21:54<mechou>do you know if m179 at least works OK in windows, I mean why are they refurbed?
21:54<Captain_Murdoch>course I did get a $50 rebate on the 250 though so it ended up being a little over 100 after taxes, etc.
21:54<tmk>they come with some media center pcs
21:54<tmk>i think .. people return the pc
21:54<tmk>and i guess they gut them
21:55<Captain_Murdoch>mechou: I think it says xp and up.
21:55<Captain_Murdoch>they look brand new, no marks, no wires soldered from one place on the board to another like a trace was missed in production, etc.
21:56<Captain_Murdoch>did get hot pretty quick though but my 250 gets hot also. the m179's have a fan on the encoder chip. I took a 2048x1365 res picture of the board.
21:56<mechou>Captain_Murdoch: so I guess you don't have a windows system handy and tell us about the tuner PQ compared to PVR-250?
21:56<tmk>250 rev1 or 2?
21:56<Captain_Murdoch>rev1 I think.
21:56<tmk>same digitizer i think
21:56<Captain_Murdoch>I've had it a while.
21:57<tmk>does it have a heatsink
21:57<Captain_Murdoch>before it was supported in Linux.
21:57<tmk>that's a rev1
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22:00<mechou>Captain_Murdoch: Is you pic of the m179 posted somewhere on the net?
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22:02<Captain_Murdoch>hold a sec, just copied off my camera.
22:04<mechou>tmk, is there a significant diff betw PVR-250 rev1 vs. rev2?
22:05<Chutt>the rev1 was just the -350 with the decoder bits masked off
22:05<Chutt>well, not connected
22:07<mechou>Chutt: hmm, interesting.... so rev2 is a differentt board than pvr-350, so to speak?
22:08<Chutt>smaller board
22:08<Chutt>uses less power, generates a lot less heat
22:11<Captain_Murdoch>mechou: and for closeups of the m179
22:11<mechou>thx, Captain_Murdoch.
22:11<tmk>sup chutt
22:12<Captain_Murdoch>some chips aren't readable, should get a better one sometime.
22:13<Chutt>captain_murdoch, did you ever fix your email problems?
22:13<Chutt>i noticed you had bounced off the lists a week or so back
22:13<Captain_Murdoch>that was courtesy of hurricane isabel.
22:13<Chutt>ah, ok
22:14<Captain_Murdoch>my mail goes through an IP at my office and MCI had problems. knocked our Norfolk, Virginia office off the net for about 8 hours.
22:14<mechou>Captain_Murdoch: that fan looks like it's going to be loud, especially as time goes on....
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22:14<Captain_Murdoch>and I think it may have been down longer but I was without power at home as well so couldn't check things.
22:15<cesman>hello everyone
22:15<Chutt>so how much should i charge leandro for advertising on my mailing lists? =)
22:18<tmk>charge him nothing
22:18<tmk>but make him buy costly support contracts
22:18<Captain_Murdoch>one pvr-350 per post. :)
22:19<Chutt>at 2000 euros per machine
22:19<Chutt>he's gotta be making a bit
22:19<tmk>good lord
22:19<tmk>thats like $3k
22:19<thor_>Chutt, 5% of the action after angel money is covered
22:20<thor_>seems about right ;-)
22:20<Chutt>i won't see a dime
22:20<mechou>Chutt, is leandro someone who "ships" mythtv systems?
22:20<Chutt>2000 euros _with_ a 40gb harddrive
22:20<tmk>you mean with a _40_ gb hard
22:20<thor_>hey, Italy *is* expensive
22:21<Chutt>yeah, but
22:21<Chutt>geez :p
22:21<Chutt>mechou, yeah, his company just started selling them
22:21<tmk>Chutt: what scares me is some folks using pvr cards for broacast tv archival
22:21<tmk>at the tv station
22:22<mechou>whats the exange rate? $1US=~1Euro?
22:22<Chutt>ew, really?
22:22<Chutt>that's kinda silly
22:22<tmk>they don't like vcr's evidently
22:22<Chutt>there's better stuff for that, unless they're just cheap
22:22<tmk>evidently the pvr performs pretty well under 'scope'
22:22<tmk>whatever scope that may be
22:22<thor_>mechou, bit more expensive (see
22:24<Captain_Murdoch>here's a pic of my building during the hurricane. It's the 5-story one on the left
22:24<Chutt>little bit of water
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22:24<Captain_Murdoch>suprisingly we never lost power there.
22:25<Chutt>have i missed any patches?
22:25<mechou>Captain_Murdoch, man you must have a some serious sewage....
22:25<Chutt>aside from kvandivo's filldatabase thing
22:27<Captain_Murdoch>nothing I can remember but I don't pay attention closely sometimes on the lists.
22:30<Captain_Murdoch>I got my bugfixes I knew about in and haven't had a chance to work on much in the past weeks because of what you saw in that picture. :)
22:34<thor_>there's the shoutcast stuff, which I don't think is ready for prime time (just glanced at it)
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22:37<warthawg>I have made a lot of progress. When I start mythtv now it goes to the channel I specified as the one to go to, and I hear the cubbies game, but the screen still goes black.
22:37<thor_>Good old babelfish: "Dreamux ... Timeshifting and to record the normal television programs without loss of quality, in digita them, is on inner hard disk is on CD and DVD."
22:42<Chutt>warthawg, errors on the console?
22:43<warthawg>chutt i cant see the console it blanks out the whole screen
22:43<Chutt>well, switch back to it :p
22:43<thor_>warthawg, ESC key ?
22:44<kvandivo>chutt: what kvandivo's filldatabase thing?
22:44<kvandivo>other than my 'recommendations' code, everything i've submitted has been committed.
22:45<warthawg>ok, i will start it up again. the ESC key should do what?
22:45<kvandivo>i think....
22:46<warthawg>brb, switching back to kde before i try it again
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22:48<warthawg>ok, now I am in kde
22:49<warthawg>and it seems i get a whole bunch of OSS errors
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22:58<accurate>How far ahead can MythTV receive programming schedule ahead of time, 10 days?
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23:03<kvandivo>depends on xmltv, accurate. you can look at filldata.cpp to see how it is received as far as myth goes
23:14<Drag0n>how far in advance does mythfilldatabase fetch listings for?
23:35<Chutt>kvandivo, oh, did i apply that last night?
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