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02:10<tmk>chutt: you here?
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02:38<tmk>ah well
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09:20<gerhard>hi all, is there enybody who might be able to help me with my pvr250 card?
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09:57<o_cee>hiya today
09:58<o_cee>could someone try something? this has hung (totally) my mythbox two times now..
09:58<o_cee>happened both times when i left it at the "Watch recordings" screen with previews running..
09:59<o_cee>don't know how long time it takes, i've been away for like 5 hrs
09:59<o_cee>no clue how to get a backtrace on something like this, it fucks up the computer real bad.. have to cold reboot
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11:02<Griffon26>o_cee: what do you want me to do?
11:03<o_cee>Griffon26: just leave your mythbox at the view recordings screen and see if it happens for you too
11:04<o_cee>i've got previews enabled..
11:04<o_cee>but as i said, i have no clue how long it took for it to happen, could be as much as 5 hrs
11:04* o_cee is away: bbl
11:11<Griffon26>Hmm, my frontend locked up as soon as I started an instant recording and now I don't know where to stop this recording
11:12<Griffon26>without deleting it entirely of course
11:12<josephk>don't do instant recording
11:13<josephk>I don't think it works for anyone...not sure about CVS though
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11:15<Griffon26>hmm, it now stopped on its own
11:15<Griffon26>recording was successful, how do you like that =]
11:16<josephk>what good is recording, if you are unable to do anything else...hehe
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11:36<gerhard>hi all, is there anybody out there who might be able to help me with IVTV on mandrake 9.1 I am about to go nuts here. PLEASE
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12:31<tmk>Chutt: you here?
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12:48<Chutt>tmk, yeah
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13:00<tmk>chutt: you experience the ff/rew bug yet?
13:00<tmk>i did some 'live tv' watching
13:00<tmk>i paused
13:00<tmk>then played
13:00<tmk>then on my first ff, it rewound, and then thought it was at the end
13:00<tmk>ie it wouldn't ff any further
13:01<tmk>but the buffer still showed 1% full or w/e
13:01<tmk>then it happened again an hour later or whatever
13:01<tmk>i ended up just exiting live tv at halftime then watching again to ff through the buffer i couldn't see
13:02<Magick>tmk: his client disconnected a few moments ago
13:03<tmk>err doh
13:04<robertj>hey Chutt, are we nearing .12 yet?
13:04<tmk>he's gone!
13:07<Soopaman>Happy Thanksgiving
13:12<robertj>doh ;)
13:12<robertj>slippery little slug ;)
13:30<davatar>There is definately a bug in the rtjpeg quality settings, transcoding from a 2.1 GB rtjpeg file at 170 quality to rtjpeg at 170 quality results in a 13GB file.. I knew it wasn't just me :)
13:33<robertj>I need to make mythtv connefessions to someone
13:33<robertj>I'm afraid I've got to buy another box for myth because I started abusing my myth box
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13:38<robertj>"well I can run xchat, xcalc, a few small apps, and that will leave plenty for the tv usage"
13:38<robertj>"well some frozen bubble won't seriously impact it"
13:38<robertj>"noone needs to use the tv now, I can use that to test my agents on"
13:38<robertj>and now I pretty much keep it booked up :0
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13:53<thor_>hey Chutt, I'vr been away fro 2 days,miss anything I should be doing?
13:54<Chutt>i've been busy
13:55<thor_>want to send you a tarball of the mfd to have a look at, but probably not for another day or so
13:55<Chutt>sure, that'd be cool.
14:16<o_cee>Chutt: did you read what i wrote here about 4 hours ago?
14:17<Chutt>now stop being annoying.
14:18<o_cee>whatever. did you try it Griffon26?
14:20<josephk>looks back 4 hours...
14:20<josephk>ooo, sounds bad
14:20<Chutt>if your computer hangs, it's not mythtv's fault.
14:20<Chutt>it's your machine's fault.
14:21<Chutt>that should be obvious to anyone with half a brain.
14:21<o_cee>then you did read it. just find it strange that it happened two times at the same place when myth was doing the same thing.
14:22<Chutt>repeat after me: user-space programs can not make your entire computer freeze
14:22<o_cee>user-space programs can not make your entire computer freeze
14:22<o_cee>right, think i got it.
14:23<o_cee>thanks, now i learned something new today.
14:24<Kasperle>user space programs can trigger driver bugs though
14:24<Chutt>of cousre
14:24<Chutt>but that's not my problem.
14:25<josephk>but your chutt:D
14:25<josephk>you're even
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14:49<tmk>Chutt: got some more info on that ff/rew problem if you've got a moment..
14:50<tmk>so i was doing live tv
14:50<tmk>watching a football game
14:50<tmk>i paused while i got up for a moment
14:50<tmk>then when i ff'd, it actually skipped back about 30 sec or so
14:51<tmk>and when i tried to ff again to catch up, it thought it was caught up
14:51<tmk>so i 'lost' that space
14:51<tmk>then about 30 mins later it happened again
14:51<tmk>the buffer still showed 2% full tho
14:51<tmk>so it knew it had data
14:51<tmk>playback was fine
14:52<tmk>just to clarify, the ff was after unpausing
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15:57<jcap>hi, folks
15:58<jcap>I just refreshed my CVS yesterday after a 2-week hiatus... can anyone give me a hand with the new profile group stuff?
16:00<Magick>I believe there was info posted to the mailinglists about how to update the database.
16:00<jcap>I thought the new database update code should handle it
16:01<Magick>I can't recall if that was mentioned or not
16:01<sfr>it does. but you need to change the default profiles to your needs.
16:02<sfr>the old codecparams are simply deleted afaik.
16:02<jcap>I did change the profiles, but it seems like every time I go in, it's duplicated all of my profiles *again*! I've got like 16 profiles now!
16:05<sfr>if you have bad luck, your previous cvs version is broken. afaik cvs was broken re profiles for ~ 1 day some time ago.
16:06<jcap>Yes, I recall that, but I believe my last CVS was not during that time period
16:07<jcap>...if it was broken, I guess I should just follow the directions in the mailing list to delete all of my old profiles?
16:09<jcap>Just check; my last CVS was from 9/15. IIRC, the profile groups patch didn't get committed until after that.
16:11* sfr can tell you what song is streaming right now. via mythmusic. well, not the gui yet but still ;)
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16:32<o_cee>sfr: :)
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16:42<jcap>heh... never mind about my profile group problem... I forgot I hadn't upgraded my remote frontend yet
16:43<sfr>looks like noone bothered anyway :)
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16:45<jcap>sfr, I figured everyone was off feverishly working to help me out :-)
16:46<sfr>that would have been the case on #mythtv-users, but not here.
16:47<jcap>is there a #mythtv-users now, or are you joking?
16:48<sfr>just joking
16:50<jcap>*phew*. I didn't want to be 'that idiot' who polluted the channel with O-T requests!
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17:27<Chutt>there, patches applied.
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17:49<Bishop>i already have lirc configured (and working) with a hauppage remote. can i still do ir blaster? (my directv has NO inputs)
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17:55<davatar>does anybody have plans to expand the filter applications? i.e. not just per channel record?
17:59<davatar>Chutt: are you here?
18:08<Bishop>looking for a detailed howto for directv and irblaster. i've been searching the mailing lists for hours.
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18:16<ByteNik>I'm doing simultaneous HDTV recording (pcHDTV) and PVR250 recording, while playing back an HDTV stream. If I have the choice between a high (2.4ghz) Celeron with less cache or an Athlon (1.5ghz) with more, do I want the Celeron?
18:18<josephk_>intel board is probably better
18:19<josephk_>I'd be more concerned about having to use a VIA chipset with the amd
18:19<josephk_>celeron would be better I'd think
18:20<josephk_>even though it's a celeron:)
18:21<deadparrot>I've heard things about the AMD/VIA combo (or just VIA mobos) being bad. I'm running it right now with two PVR250s. Am I asking for trouble?
18:21<Bishop>is there a difference between using ./test_ioctl and having a .ivtvrc file?
18:23<deadparrot>ByteNik: how are you handling the HD2000/V4L1 and PVR250/V4L2 problem? I have my PVR250s and my HD2000 running in separate backends right now.
18:23<josephk_>I had no trouble with 2 PVR's
18:23<josephk_>newer via boards probably aren't bad
18:23<ByteNik>deadparrot: I don't have it set up yet. :P
18:23<josephk_>kt400 worked fine for me
18:23<ByteNik>deadparrot: There's issues?
18:24<deadparrot>josephk_: Yeah, I've got a KT333.
18:24<josephk_>probably the only boards you need to stay away from are the older via boards
18:25<josephk_>everyone has their own mental baggage when it comes to boards now anyway:D
18:25<deadparrot>ByteNik: AFAIK, the HD2000 requires V4L and the IVTV requires V4L2. It can be difficult to get them working at the same time.
18:25<ByteNik>deadparrot: pcHDTV == HD2000 I assume?
18:26<deadparrot>Yes, the HD2000 is the product from the pcHDTV company.
18:26<ByteNik>Oh, right, that's the model num.
18:26<sfr>v4l2 contains a v4l-compat module, i'm using it with a pvr350 (v4l2) and a matrox marvel g400 (v4l)
18:26<ByteNik>I've just been using the company name.
18:26<ByteNik>sfr: So I don't need to run v4l seperately?
18:27<sfr>ByteNik: afaik, no.
18:28<ByteNik>Has anyone ever gotten either the front end or the back end running in Windows? Or does cygwin not support v4l and Xv?
18:29<ByteNik>My parents want to use my backend but they run Windows.
18:29<deadparrot>sfr: Are you using videodevX, or is that not necessary?
18:29<ByteNik>And I'd like them to run a backend from home (I'm at college) so I can watch TV from there.
18:29<ByteNik>But again, Windows.
18:29<josephk_>you could use myhtpc...I don't think it's as good...but
18:29<josephk_>it would probably work
18:29<ByteNik>josephk_: Is it compatible with myth?
18:30<ByteNik>So that doesn't help me.
18:30<sfr>what is videodevX?
18:30<ByteNik>I have myth installed and running with my PVR250
18:30<josephk_>well it works with the 250
18:31<sfr>deadparrot: what is videodevX?
18:31<ByteNik>I am already running myth tho. :P
18:31<josephk_>but its its own entity
18:31<josephk_>well you're screwed then...hehe
18:31<deadparrot>videodevX is a way to use both V4L and V4L2 at the same time with two different devices that use the two different APIs.
18:31<mikegrb>look at the posts about playback on windows to the list the last few days
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18:32<sfr>deadparrot: i have a module videodev loaded right now. maybe that's it.
18:34<deadparrot>videodev is the V4L module; the same name is used for the V4L2 module after the patch I believe.
18:35<sfr>deadparrot: probably. i'm using a wolk kernel which is already patched with v4l2.
18:40<deadparrot>Sorry, it looks like videodevX was an old name of concurrent 1 & 2 support which seems to have been patched into V4L2 upstream.
18:41<deadparrot>I'm going to give the HD/IV combo another try soon, I think (I'd rather have only one backend). Is anyone currently running a box with both?
18:43<deadparrot>Has anyone seen bbeattie recently?
18:45<Bishop>anyone have resources on how to get an ir blaster to work (I have the pvr-250 remote working)
18:48<deadparrot>Unless you want to do a lot of software (lirc) tweaking, you'll probably want to create a combination receiver/transmitter for use on a serial port.
18:48<deadparrot>LIRC by default only easily supports one device.
18:50<deadparrot>Then again, you may have no interest in soldering, etc. ;) I made mine, and I'm no electronics wiz.
18:51<Bishop>my directv box doesn't have any inputs on the back (except this little 1/8' plug labeled rf remote
18:52<deadparrot>Mine only has an infrared receiver, so I _had_ to make a transmitter.
18:54<deadparrot>BTW, if your DirecTV receiver ever fails, don't take DirecTV's $50 deal for a replacement.
18:55<deadparrot>I lost S-Video and Low-Speed Data Port, and the company said, "Tough" (in so many words).
18:55<Bishop>i have the IR receiver on the PVR-250, and an actisys ir200L (which I _think_ receives and transmits)
18:58<deadparrot>If you can get the actisys to receive the Hauppauge remote's signal, you'll probably only want to use it alone (due to the LIRC one-device problem).
18:58<Bishop>i just have the cheap (free) directv receiver. i was looking at new ones (around $80) that have the data port
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18:59<Bishop>but doesn't the actisys need to point at the directv so it can change the channel? (which would make it kind of useless to receive)
19:00<deadparrot>Do a search on for the brand before counting on using the low-speed data port; you have to know the protocol and have a corresponding LIRC config.
19:03<deadparrot>Actually, I don't know much about the actisys device, but my transceiver is in a black plastic project box with the emitter on one side pointing toward the STB and the IR receiver on the other side pointing toward the couch.
19:04<Bishop>nice hack!
19:05<deadparrot>BTW, it's all Radio Shack parts and accepts the PVR-250 remote signals just fine.
19:05<deadparrot>The diagrams are on the LIRC site.
19:14<Bishop>tv is still choppy. cpu is still 90% idle. anything i can do to tweak that?
19:20<mikegrb>Bishop: you sure dma and 32bit transfers are enabled?
19:21<Bishop>hdparm /dev/hda3 shows dma on, where do i check for 32bit transfers
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19:22<mikegrb>'hdparm /dev/hda3 ' should have it in the output also
19:23<pmowry>Hi, I just did an checkout for mythtv from CVS and it looks like nearly everything has been updated within the past few days.
19:24<Bishop>IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit)
19:24<Bishop>doesn't look so
19:24<mikegrb>try changing that, I think it is -c 1 lemme check though
19:24<pmowry>Is there someplace I can read for what happened?
19:24<mikegrb>yes hdparm -c 1 /dev/hda3
19:24<mikegrb>pmowry: the commits list
19:24<mikegrb>and the dev list
19:25<mikegrb>you shouldn't be using cvs without at least being on the commits list anyway
19:25<Bishop> HDIO_SET_32BIT failed: Invalid argument (not supported?0
19:27<mikegrb>you did -c 1? maybe -c1?
19:27<mikegrb>maybe the drive or controller don't support it
19:27<deadparrot>Check the CMOS.
19:28<pmowry>mikegrb: I'll be working with a PVR-350 so I figured it would be the best place to start. I've subscribed to myth-dev, but only the rolled-up version.
19:29<pmowry>I'll be patient and wait until the next archive. And do a make clean ; make in the mean time.
19:30<pmowry>Is there any interest in Mythgame being extended to support Sega Genesis and other older consoles?
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20:16<gerhard>hi all, is there anybody
20:24<pmowry>sorry, didn't notice my focus had changed.
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20:25<eco>Excellent, I'm glad this channel exists
20:26<pmowry>Hi, I'm glad mythtv exists ;)
20:27<eco>Anyone know the key differences between the Hauppauge WinTV PVR 250 and 350?
20:27<pmowry>350 has TV-Out (experemental) and hardware decoder.
20:27<pmowry>I have one on order, should be in Wed.
20:28<eco>Have people gotten it to work with MythTV then?
20:29<pmowry>ivtv-dev says "It should work as a proper framebuffer" so I'm not sure how cpu driven it will be.
20:29<pmowry>I've yet to speak with anyone who has one, I can let you know in a few days.
20:29<josephk_>I have one
20:30<eco>You like it? Or more directly, is it worth the extra $100 (ebay prices)?
20:30<josephk_>I do...but it crashes frequently while decoding at this point
20:30<josephk_>every few hours
20:30<josephk_>doesn't take out the machine
20:30<josephk_>just have to restart playback
20:31<eco>And you are using the TV out on that card?
20:31<pmowry>eco: I ordered frrom for $170 new.
20:31<josephk_>tv looks great
20:31<eco>pmowry: Cool, thanks for the tip
20:31<josephk_>while it's working:)
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20:32<gerhard>hi all, I start getting this to work, finally. its just that the picture is not in sync with the audio any idea why?
20:32<mikegrb> audio is ahead of picture?
20:34<gerhard>not shure I'll check
20:34<gerhard>yepp, quite a bit too
20:35<mikegrb>did you read the docs?
20:35<mikegrb>this issue is specifically addressed
20:35<gerhard>could you be so kind as to point me in the right direction?
20:37<mikegrb>um yha
20:41<eco>Now, time to decide which other parts to use in this computer
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20:49<gerhard>any suggestion, whats better for live tv mpeg4 or rtjpeg?
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21:14<eco>Would a AMD K6-2 350mhz with a Hauppauge WinTV PVR 250/350 have enough horse power? Because if it does I just need the 250/350 and I'd be happy if that's all I need to buy ;)
21:16<tmk>eco: not for decoding
21:17<tmk>but if you get the pvr350 and use that for tv-out
21:17<tmk>it will be fast enough
21:17<eco>Hmm, but the 350 decoding is still buggy but getting better...I'll have to think about it.
21:17<tmk>yeah it's a little buggy :)
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21:18<eco>I would think a 350mhz could decode MPEG2...maybe I'm just thinking my old computers were more powerful than they really are.
21:27<davatar>eh, pII 233 seemed to be good enough at the time, just need hardware assist.. i.e. xvideo.
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21:36<tmk>well i hvae a celeron 433
21:36<tmk>it has trouble with 480x480
21:36<tmk>but it might not have XV support
21:36<tmk>not sure
21:36<gerhard>its starting to work and I love it, even though my wife does not appreciate the mess i make with all the cables lying around
21:36<josephk_>tmk: 199 fw seems to last longer than the 227 fw
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21:42<josephk_>extracting fw from the cd gives me green tv...hehe
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21:52<tmk>that's odd
21:55<gerhard>hi all, I have not conf the remote control, where can I find a list over what keys are doing what?
21:55<josephk_>well its like 1.6A fw
21:55<josephk_>I extracted both images and the first doesn't work, so I went back to 199
21:55<josephk_>which do you guys use?
21:55<mikegrb>gerhard: keys,txt
21:57<gerhard>sorry about that, could have checked a bit on my own, thanks
21:57<mikegrb>no prob
21:57<mikegrb>I asked the same question
21:58<eco>"Hauppauge WinTV-D Digital TV Receiver" Does a digital tv reciever work with MythTV?
21:58<eco>Because that would rock.
22:00<gerhard>there is so much documentation about myth, it's easy to miss something
22:00<mikegrb>rhough it is all pretty important
22:03<deadparrot>eco: Not Hauppauge, but the pcHDTV HD-2000. (
22:04<deadparrot>(I shouldn't say that Hauppauge doesn't because I don't have one to prove it.)
22:05<gerhard>One thing I dont get. The "program finder" lists all progr. the "Program guide" is emty. Does anybody know why?
22:05<eco>deadparrot: Cool, thanks.
22:08<deadparrot>I'm going to test my HD-2000 backend with Las Vegas in HD tonight. (Molly Sims... grrr, baby, grrr)
22:09<eco>What res is HDTV at again?
22:09* eco tries to remember that ancient Popular Science article...
22:11<deadparrot>Most broadcasters are (or will be) doing 1920x1080i or 1280x720p.
22:11<eco>Ooo, that's nice.
22:12<eco>Speaking of interlacing, does MythTV handle De-Interlacing?
22:18<deadparrot>The playback part of TV settings has a de-interlacing option; I would imagine that includes live-tv (since that's "playing back" what was recorded a second ago).
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22:19<gerhard>does someone know why the "program guide" is emty and "program finder" shows all"
22:19* mikegrb sticks a dirty sock in bbeattie's mouth
22:20<gerhard>also i cannot chane the channel, i get the last channel i uses with xawtv
22:20<gerhard>i meant change channel
22:20<tmk>eco: yes myth deinterlaces
22:21<tmk>needs > a pentium 2 though
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22:36<mikegrb>greetins paulproteus, long time no see :)
22:42<term>surely there's a good reason why the pvr250 works great with the direct cable signal, and doesn't even begin to work with the cable box.
22:43<mikegrb>er hmmm
22:44<mikegrb>the cable box is evil?
22:44<term>that's not a good answer :(
22:44<mikegrb>perhaps the box isn't outputing right at the freq it is supposed to
22:45<mikegrb>if the freq is off a bit perhaps the tv still sees a good picture due to auto fine tuning but the pvr-250 tunes to the exact freq specified by spec
22:46<term>the vcr has no problem dealing with the signal though
22:48<mikegrb>right, it may do some sort of auto fine tune
22:48<mikegrb>just an idea
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22:56<mikegrb>'evening tmk
23:01<gerhard>I'm trying to get the tv guide with xmltv but i noticed that its looking at the wrong date.
23:02<gerhard> did not find any table containing listings, skipping at /usr//bin/tv_grab_sn line 440.
23:02<term>whee more random pauses
23:02<term>I can try the latest version for that though.
23:02<term>I think I saw some committed fixes for it..
23:03<gerhard>can someone tell me please how to fix that and where, the date and time on my system is correct
23:09<eco>How well does MythGame work?
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23:31<gerhard>hi there, can someone help me here, I have a probl. with xmltv
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23:35<tmk>gerhard: you're in the wrong channel
23:37<gerhard>its a probl. with mythtv and xmltv
23:37<tmk>they don't work together do they?
23:38<Bishop>while ripping a dvd, can you leave the screen? and does that work for ripping cd's as well?
23:38<mikegrb>Bishop: yes for dvd's not sure abt cd's at the moment I think not but it is planned for the future
23:38<gerhard>mythtv uses xmltv for the program lising doesnt it?
23:38<Bishop>sweet! thanks
23:39<tmk>oh sorry
23:39<tmk>i thought you said xawtv
23:40<moegreen>gerhard: which date do you think it should be looking at?
23:40<Bishop>i'm confused about this parental pin for videos....
23:40<gerhard>the probl, is that when xmltv tries to get the progr. info from the net it is about a week ahead
23:41<gerhard>I think it should start from today
23:41<Chutt>look at the code and figure it out.
23:41<term>so has anyone (besides mikegrb) heard of a situation where the signal from the raw tv signal works fine, but when the signal is pushed through the cable box, doesn't? mikegrb theorized that the cable box signal is not spec'd right
23:41<Chutt>it's not complicated.
23:41<Bishop>testing this out i add a video and assign it 4, set the pin in setup. now i have to enter a pin to see the video manager, and the video is not browsable in the "browse videos". but i can still got o "video list" and hit enter and play it.
23:41<tmk>sup chutt
23:41<term>Chutt: hey.
23:42<Chutt>hey guys
23:43<mikegrb>sorry term that's all my head could come up with
23:43<term>mikegrb: it's an interesting idea, I just don't know what to do about it ;(
23:43<mikegrb>you are using rf output of the cable box?
23:44<term>so I guess rf.
23:44<mikegrb>you can use xawtv and it has finetunning, try getting a picture there
23:44<term>I'll try that in a bit
23:44<mikegrb>then you can get it's fine tuning value and put that in the channels table
23:44<mikegrb>though I'm not certain about that
23:44<term>actually I'll have to try it in the morning, wife's watching tv.
23:44<Chutt>you only have coax out of your cable box?
23:44<mikegrb>Chutt: how does one specify finetuning in a case such as this?
23:45<term>Chutt: err, how else would I get the signal into the pvr250?
23:45<Chutt>would be preferred
23:45<Chutt>better quality
23:46<term>well, I'd need more svideo cable.
23:46<term>so I couldn't fix the coax?
23:47<Chutt>i dunno
23:47<Chutt>most people use the svideo or composite in for cable boxes
23:48<term>there's a lot of details I didn't know before I did this.. :(
23:48<Chutt>davatar, don't msg me.
23:48<mikegrb>it would make a significant difference in quality term
23:49<term>mikegrb: well the raw signal looked fine..
23:49<Chutt>i don't see why coax wouldn't work, of course
23:50<term>but the coax coming out of the cable box works fine when input into the vcr, doesn't work right at all via the pvr250
23:50<term>damn sciat box.
23:51<davatar>Chutt: So did you? I don't know if it's caught in a spam trap..
23:51<Chutt>i probably did
23:51<Chutt>oh, yeah
23:51<Chutt>yes, you need to clean up your code and resubmit it
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