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---Logopened Wed Oct 22 00:00:22 2003
---Daychanged Wed Oct 22 2003
00:00<Pedersen>There are times I regret building alsa. Seems to create more problems than it's worth.
00:01<josephk>MythTV: It's only funny until someone gets hurt. Then, it's hilarious.
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00:01<Pedersen>josephk: Those from mythweb?
00:02<josephk>I'm just making stuff up
00:02<josephk>its fun
00:02<Pedersen>Ah, okie.
00:02<josephk>I'm sure I've heard it before though...hehe
00:03<davatar>I'm getting some sort of wierd database problem.. transcode fails with "aborted because of cutlist update", if I make any manual edits to the "recorded" table (no real change) backend/frontend give an error saying it can't find that .nuv file (even though the filename it prints is OK).
00:04<beau>is the .nuv file present in your recordings dir?
00:04<josephk>#MythTV: "What is this a techsupport line?" -Chutt
00:04<davatar>yes, that never changes. if I destroy the db and reload from backup, I can view the filename again.
00:05<davatar>josephk: this is a bug..
00:05<josephk>davatar: not directing towards you...just reminded me of something funny:)
00:06* beau wonders if the autoexpire hits and the limits are such that the existing recording must be deleted to comply with settings. just not enough free space to do what you have setup
00:07<davatar>eh, 65gb?
00:08<davatar>something is definatley strange. i.e. I go into mysqlcc and change "editing" colum for one recording from "0" to "0". go back to mythfrontend, try and play video "/mnt/myth/etcetcetc.nuv" not found, where filename exists, exactly.
00:08<Pedersen>~:ahs, davatar...
00:09<Pedersen>I've seen something similar in the past, and it's a factor of how mysql behaves.
00:09<Pedersen>here's what you do: read the starttime for the row, and then update editing (from 0 to 0), and check the starttime again.
00:10<davatar>ok, let me restore my backup and try..
00:11<davatar>btw, does mysql store usernames?
00:12<Captain_Murdoch>beau, I think that if that happened, it should just stop the recording. The auto-expire stuff uses the same delete function as is normally used by the backend when you delete a recording interactively.
00:12<Chutt>need to update the starttime when you change stuff in the record table
00:12<Chutt>since it's a timestamp type
00:13<beau>Captain_Murdoch: thanks for clarifying, the thought crossed my mind while I was setting up but I wasn't about to setup the situation to test outcomes
00:13<davatar>Pedersen: no changes in the table, I even tried re-writing the 'old' starttime.
00:13<Chutt>if you don't, it changes to the current time
00:13<Chutt>and thus you get the 'file not found' stuff, since it's looking for the wrong filename.
00:13<davatar>Chutt: update to what? I copy/pasted the old value in.
00:14<Chutt>... set starttime = starttime ...
00:15<Chutt>whenever you change anything in the recorded table manually
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00:16<Pedersen>Chutt, my readings of what was happening had something to do with the fact that the column was named starttime? Did I just misunderstand?
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00:18<davatar>Pedersen: That worked, but it also flew over my head....
00:19<Pedersen>davatar: Tell me the title and subtitle of a row in your recorded table, and I'll tell you the commands you can run to see what's been talked about.
00:19<davatar>anyways, on to the root of the problem, I should only receive a "Transcoding .. aborted because of cutlist update: if editing=1?
00:20<beau>it's so over for the marlins atthis point excellent game tho
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00:22<Captain_Murdoch>davatar: I think you'll get that also if a -3 type record (MARK_UPDATED_CUT) is inserted into recordedmarkup for that recording which I know happens at the end of commercial flagging.
00:22<Pedersen>davatar 'select starttime, editing, title, subtitle from recorded where title="angel" and subtitle="conviction"'
00:23<Pedersen>davatar 'update recorded set editing=editing where title="angel" and subtitle="conviction"'
00:23<Pedersen>davatar (re-run that select)
00:23<Pedersen>You'll see that starttime is now a different value than when it started.
00:24<davatar>Captain_Murdoch: I saw this, No -1 or -3 for m, all 3 and 7, and all chanid 1012 (wtf?
00:26<davatar>Pedersen: nope :) mysqlcc would have showed that too, didn't..
00:26<Captain_Murdoch>yeah, the -1 indicates that commercial flagging is running, -3 is something the transcode guy added to indicate that transcoding would need to be rerun for some reason.
00:26<davatar>Pedersen: needed number in quotes for editing=.. ok
00:27<Chutt>pedersen, naw, it's because the starttime column is a timestamp, and the first timestamp in a row gets updated to the current time anytime something is modified, unless you override that behavior
00:28<davatar>Captain_Murdoch: I don't see how that is possible, as ProgramInfo::IsEditing() only seems to check "editing" from "recorded"
00:28<Chutt>captain_murdoch, did you see that patch of david engel's?
00:29<Chutt>thor, so it's sharing both ways?
00:29<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt, yeah. was trying to think of a cleaner way but haven't come up with anything yet.
00:29<Chutt>figured that that was your code originally, so =)
00:29<Pedersen>Okay, rebuilt using alsa. Still getting same behaviors :(
00:29<Captain_Murdoch>I like the concept though. been wanting to solve that problem for a while.
00:30<Chutt>pedersen, yeah, that's not it, as it doesn't use the alsa output stuff unless specifically told to
00:30<Chutt>what's the _first_ error you get?
00:30<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt, did he do any of the themes?
00:30<Chutt>i'm not sure
00:30<Chutt>haven't looked at anything but the email
00:30<Chutt>been busy with stuff
00:30<Pedersen>Here's some copy/paste from mythfrontend output...
00:30<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:26:25 Enabled verbose msgs : important general
00:30<Pedersen>mythtv: could not open config file
00:31<Pedersen>mythtv: No such file or directory
00:31<Pedersen>Failed to init /home/marvin/.mythtv/lircrc for mythtv
00:31<Pedersen>connecting to backend server:
00:31<Pedersen>Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'.
00:31<Pedersen>Over/underscanning. V: 0.000000, H: 0.000000, XOff: 0, YOff: 0
00:31<Pedersen>Using XV port 69
00:31<Pedersen>Changing from None to WatchingPreRecorded
00:31<Pedersen>Changing from WatchingPreRecorded to None
00:31<Pedersen>Changing from None to None
00:31<Pedersen>taking too long to be allowed to read..
00:31<Pedersen>(above repeated 5 more times)
00:32<Pedersen>Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'.
00:32<Pedersen>Over/underscanning. V: 0.000000, H: 0.000000, XOff: 0, YOff: 0
00:32<Pedersen>Using XV port 69
00:32<Pedersen>Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
00:32<Pedersen>And then nothing, complete hang of mythfrontend, and mythbackend is using 90%+ of cpu
00:32<Chutt>and errors from the backend?
00:33<Pedersen>c/p from mythback follows
00:33<Pedersen>Starting up as the master server.
00:33<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:25:02 Enabled verbose msgs : important general
00:33<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:25:05 Found changes in the todo list.
00:33<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:25:34 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback
00:33<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:25:34 adding: eddie as a player 1
00:33<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:25:59 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback
00:33<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:25:59 adding: eddie as a player 1
00:33<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:26:56 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback
00:33<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:26:56 adding: eddie as a player 1
00:33<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:27:41 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback
00:33<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:27:41 adding: eddie as a player 0
00:33<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:27:41 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback
00:33<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:27:41 adding: eddie as a player 0
00:33<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:27:41 adding: eddie as a remote ringbuffer
00:33<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:27:41 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
00:33<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:28:40 Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None
00:33<Chutt>turn on verbose mode
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00:36<Chutt>for the backend, that is
00:36<Pedersen>Okay, --verbose to mythbackend shows nothing different. Paramaters for --verbose?
00:37<Chutt>it's in --help, i don't know offhand
00:37<Pedersen>It's worth noting that, following the audio troubleshooting docs on the website, I fire up tvtime (not xawtv, since that has been known to lock up due to the all-in-wonder card), and use aplay, and sound works as described at
00:40<Chutt>recordings play back ok?
00:40* Pedersen will guess that this is the section you're looking for (taken from the end of the output, when I was trying to watch live tv just now), using --verbose all
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:03 Found changes in the todo list.
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 adding: eddie as a player 1
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 2 OK
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 24 1[]:[][]:[]6543
00:40<Chutt>older ones, that is
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 adding: eddie as a player 0
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 2 OK
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 92 rbuf://
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 adding: eddie as a player 0
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 2 OK
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 adding: eddie as a remote ringbuffer
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 2 OK
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 Using profile 'Live TV' to record
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 2 ok
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 1 1
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:09 5 29.97
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:20 1 0
00:40<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:30 1 0
00:41<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:41 1 0
00:41<Pedersen>2003-10-22 00:39:41 Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None
00:41<Pedersen>And yes, recordings that were done before playback okay. Color is off, but that's a setting I can adjust, so I'm not worried about that.
00:41<Chutt>i'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary
00:41<Chutt>probably should compile in debug mode and see what thread is taking up 100% cpu
00:41<Chutt>it is only one, right?
00:42* Pedersen nods. Gets onto getting debug mode going.
00:42<Chutt>you know how to use gdb enough to figure out how to do that? =)
00:43<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt, I'll think about that patch and see if I can think of a cleaner way. he's just expanding on it, leaves oriiginal method of just %DESCRIPTION% intact. I assume the programinfo::tostringlist mod is out though the way it is because it uses ?: operators which I think you don't prefer. do you think that function is ok as is or should it be fixed to not modify data?
00:43<Pedersen>Yes. As I've tried to explain, I'm not an idiot (hell, I can read quadruply indirected pointers in my head). I just was hoping that this was something which could be fixed before needing to do that.
00:43<Chutt>i dunno
00:44<Chutt>i'm fine with the programinfo mod
00:44<Chutt>it doesn't really matter for that function
00:45<pmowry>Why do I make things difficult... Spent 20 minutes looking for a playback section of configfile,instead ofjust going to settingsin mythfrontend.
00:45<Captain_Murdoch>ok. when I do something with the regex stuff I'll look over and commit the programinfo stuff as well then.
00:45<Chutt>captain_murdoch, thanks =)
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01:04<Pedersen>Rather annoying with that... Getting short reads from /dev/dsp, but that's all I'm pickup from gdb right now.
01:04<Chutt>it doesn't go crazy and use all cpu in gdb?
01:05<Pedersen>Sorry, it does indeed, and I still get a pretty black screen for video.
01:05<Chutt>well, which thread is using all the cpu?
01:07<Pedersen>Well, in this realm, I'm an idiot, I have to admit. I've dealt with single threaded debugging, but mt debug in gdb I don't know. If I try and break it, so that I can at least get a backtrace, it breaks in libc.
01:07<Chutt>heh, ok
01:07<tmk>sup chut
01:07<Chutt>what you want to do is make note of which pid is using all the cpu
01:07<Chutt>then, break execution in gdb
01:07<Chutt>'info threads'
01:07<Chutt>to get a list of the available threads
01:08<Chutt>then 'thread X' to get the internal number
01:08<Chutt>well, to switch to the thread
01:08<Chutt>X is the internal number that matches the pid
01:08<Chutt>then you can get a normal backtrace of it
01:08<Chutt>tmk, how's things?
01:09<Pedersen>Okay, now THAT is bizarre... QMapPrivate??? Here's the info line for the pid which was sucking down the cpu:
01:09<tmk>ok.. not much time this week
01:09<Pedersen>13 Thread 180236 (LWP 7684) 0x08102cc1 in QMapPrivate<QString, QString>::clear(QMapNode<QString, QString>*) ()
01:10<tmk>i'm building a set-top box
01:10<Chutt>with my mini-itx? =)
01:10<tmk>so all my creative energy (and cash) is going into that right now
01:10<tmk>i'll post it to when i finish
01:10<Chutt>doing the case?
01:10<tmk>it's sure to be /.'d </sarcasm>
01:10<Chutt>pedersen, what's the rest of it?
01:10<tmk>yeah.. a little custom work
01:10<tmk>it's an old cd-player case
01:10<Chutt>cool. mention mythtv prominently =)
01:10<tmk>i'm gonna put a nice front on it
01:11<tmk>will do
01:11<Chutt>but, wait
01:11<Chutt>you're _not_ going to get to work on that guy's critical list of issues?
01:11<tmk>the test_ioctl guy?
01:11<Pedersen>flood warning.....
01:11<Pedersen>(gdb) info threads
01:11<Pedersen>* 16 Thread 229391 (LWP 7687) 0x40b7f9d1 in select () from /lib/
01:11<Pedersen> 15 Thread 213006 (LWP 7686) 0x40996beb in read () from /lib/
01:11<Pedersen> 14 Thread 196621 (LWP 7685) 0x40b5a426 in nanosleep () from /lib/
01:11<Pedersen> 13 Thread 180236 (LWP 7684) 0x08102cc1 in QMapPrivate<QString, QString>::clear(QMapNode<QString, QString>*) ()
01:11<Pedersen> 12 Thread 163851 (LWP 7683) 0x40b5a426 in nanosleep () from /lib/
01:11<Pedersen> 11 Thread 147466 (LWP 7676) 0x40993b88 in __pthread_sigsuspend () from /lib/
01:11<Pedersen> 10 Thread 131081 (LWP 7675) 0x40993b88 in __pthread_sigsuspend () from /lib/
01:11<Pedersen> 9 Thread 114696 (LWP 7674) 0x40993b88 in __pthread_sigsuspend () from /lib/
01:11<Pedersen> 8 Thread 98311 (LWP 7673) 0x40993b88 in __pthread_sigsuspend () from /lib/
01:11<Pedersen> 7 Thread 81926 (LWP 7672) 0x40993b88 in __pthread_sigsuspend () from /lib/
01:11<Pedersen> 6 Thread 65541 (LWP 7671) 0x40b5a426 in nanosleep () from /lib/
01:11<Pedersen> 5 Thread 49156 (LWP 7670) 0x40b5a426 in nanosleep () from /lib/
01:12<Pedersen> 4 Thread 32771 (LWP 7669) 0x40b5a426 in nanosleep () from /lib/
01:12<Pedersen> 3 Thread 16386 (LWP 7668) 0x40993b88 in __pthread_sigsuspend () from /lib/
01:12<tmk>i await his patch with bated breath
01:12<Pedersen> 2 Thread 32769 (LWP 7667) 0x40b7dea4 in poll () from /lib/
01:12<Pedersen> 1 Thread 16384 (LWP 7659) 0x40b5a426 in nanosleep () from /lib/
01:12<tmk>let's do that in /msg next time
01:12<tmk>shall we?
01:12<Chutt>pedersen, ok, so 'thread 13'
01:12<Chutt>then bt it
01:12<Pedersen>sorry tmk
01:12<tmk>i know how chutt loves /msg
01:12<Chutt>if that's indeed the pid, etc
01:12<tmk>Chutt: that guy can use james's record_v4l2 program
01:13<Chutt>tmk, mine's working pretty well
01:13<Chutt>(mini-itx w/ pvr-350)
01:13<tmk>cool. Live tv is nice
01:13<Chutt>little slow
01:13<tmk>i've made it a monday-nite habit
01:13<Chutt>need to work on that
01:13<tmk>for football
01:13<tmk>ff while paused still causes problems sometimes
01:13<Chutt>think if i can switch to using select() instead of just blocking write()s for the video writing
01:13<tmk>oh sure
01:13<Chutt>i can make it much more responsive
01:13<tmk>i can do that this week
01:14<tmk>no problem
01:14<tmk>code's already pretty much in there
01:14<tmk>just need to hook it up
01:14<Chutt>pedersen, so, obviously, that didn't help =)
01:14<Pedersen>Nope... Lemme see if I can make it happen elsewhere (somehow)...
01:15<Chutt>i dunno
01:15<Chutt>_maybe_ run it outside of gdb
01:15<Chutt>then attach to the pid that's going crazy
01:16* Pedersen comes back, and gets it in the same spot. I'll see what else I can do with an external gdb (hopefully)...
01:16<Chutt>i really have no idea what the problem could be
01:16<Chutt>so i'm just reaching, here
01:17* Pedersen nods. Well, I AM on qt3.1. Maybe qt3.2 will do something (upgrading that right now as well).
01:17<Chutt>3.1's pretty decent
01:18<Chutt>it's 3.0 that had a bunch of thread-safety issues
01:19<davatar>we need to have a function to scan the db after a crash... unforntunately I don't as of yet know much about the db format..
01:21<Pedersen>Wow.... So, Chutt, it's not just a simple case of my stupidity, at least? That at least makes me feel somewhat better :)
01:25<Pedersen>For reasons that don't make a lot of sense to me, I think it's somewhere around abouts the opening of the video device.... Maybe... frontend is obviously waiting for permission to read. And from what you've just said, I can make sense of where it's waiting. Is it possible that the backend is failing to give it that permission?
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01:36* Pedersen waits for rebuild with new qt lib version...
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01:57* Pedersen hates waiting for these long compiles...
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02:16* Pedersen considers crying. Same damned issues. And I really really wanted this working before I went to bed.
02:23<pmowry>For a PVR-350,do you need to load ivtv-fband run X on it to get OSD?
02:25<pmowry>I have not touched the framebuffer configs yet, pause,ff,etc work fine, but frontend segfaultswhen exiting video.
02:26* Pedersen doesn't know, sorry, but I've never even seen a pvr-350.
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02:27<pmowry>I could not findone locally, Expected to pay $200+,but ended up ordering online for $177 inc shipping.
02:28<pmowry>Playing a recorded show while recording another is 3%CPU on a P3-500
02:29<Pedersen>Right now, I'd settle for being able to record a show of any sort. 0.12 looks to be a bad move for me, and I'm not sure I'm going to keep on upgrading anything at this point.
02:31<Pedersen>i've been fighting with this in one form or another since about 8:30, and it's now 2:30. I'm downgrading, and saying to hell with 0.12 for the foreseeable future.
02:32<pmowry>I started witha fresh install of RH9 (not the best choice for MythTV) and installed only the packages listed in the docs. I've always used current CVS versions for the hardware encoder support.
02:34<Pedersen>I started with 0.7 last December, and tried to stay semi-current. But with fighting this for 6 hours, it's no longer worth it. I want to go to bed, but since I need this to be working within the hour, I can't do so yet.
02:34<pmowry>QT 3.1.1 is what I have
02:34<Pedersen>That's where I just was, 30 minutes ago. Upgraded to qt3.2 to no effect.
02:35<Pedersen>But, step down to 0.10, and I'll be fine again.
02:35<Pedersen>Once it finishes compiling, anyway.
02:36<pmowry>I joined the conversation late, what are you using for video-out?
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02:37<Pedersen>video-out? Standard monitor. video-in is standard cable tv, onto a bttv card.
02:38<pmowry>I'm waiting for an office in London to open, so Ihavesome time to kill, Although I'm sure your skills greatly surpass mine.
02:39<Pedersen>I find that a skill rating is highly overrated. I learn stuff from people who still aren't sure of how to turn computers on, and I learn stuff from people whose skills are widfely acknowledged as great.
02:43<Pedersen>I'm going to quit. I'm going to run this setup for 0.12 one more time. And then I'm going to reboot, and it either works or it doesn't. I stop caring.
02:44<pmowry>The only time I had an issue with no video was when i did not have my soundcard driver loaded properly. but Igot errors with /dev/dsp and I did not see that in your flood.
02:45<Pedersen>Nope, that works fine. In fact, according to mythtv docs, I should be working just fine. BRB.
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02:50* Pedersen_ comes back. Suffice to say, I'm not happy with 0.12. I can't record. And, somehow, 0.10 (which I was using as recently as last night) is now gone as well.
02:51<Chutt>so it's something else, then
02:51<Pedersen_>And I know it's not device openings that are the problem, since any other program uses them just fine.
02:52<pmowry>also meaning no IRQ conflicts or other low level things.
02:53<Pedersen_>No, I don't believe it's that, not when other programs can access sound/video just fine.
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02:54<Chutt>sure you have all the device names set right?
02:54<srl>Chutt: I think mythgame might be a bit broken
02:54<Chutt>stupid question, but =)
02:54<Pedersen_>Using drop-downs, I select /dev/video, /dev/vbi, and /dev/dsp
02:55<Chutt>try disabling the closed captioning stuff
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02:55<srl>I tried giving it joystick options both through the combo box and through extra arguments
02:55<srl>And neither appeared to affect the command that is run
02:55<pmowry>Chutt: Hey, Stupid questions is my job ;)
02:55<Chutt>srl, dunno, i don't use the command line options
02:59<Pedersen_>Removed /dev/vbi device entry. Any other places I can pull out closed captioning?
03:00<Chutt>the general section of setup
03:00<Chutt>make it 'none' instead of 'ntsc cc'
03:00<Chutt>last page or something
03:00<pmowry> /dev/video is a symlink to/dev/video0 on my system. Is /video normal for bt card?
03:01<Chutt>it's just a symlink, generally
03:01<Pedersen_>No effect when cc is disabled.
03:02<Pedersen_>I've used both /dev/video and /dev/video over the past 6 hours.
03:02* Pedersen_ says /dev/video0
03:02<Chutt>your AIW isn't causing problems?
03:02<Pedersen_>Can't be. No hardware tuner on it.
03:06<Chutt>if i could get a good backtrace, i might be able to see what's going on
03:06<Chutt>but, without it, i really don't know what's up
03:07<Chutt>there's nothing blocking it from opening the soundcard for recording, right?
03:07<Pedersen_>Give me an ssh public key, and you're in.
03:07<Chutt>naw, i'm going to bed in a fe
03:08<Pedersen_>Nothing blocking the sounds card at all. I just did "aplay /dev/dsp"
03:08<Pedersen_>And that worked just fine.
03:08<Chutt>that's more of an alsa util, though
03:08<Chutt>but, yeah, should be fine
03:11<Chutt>what distribution are you using?
03:11<Pedersen_>Debian unstable.
03:12<Chutt>when did you last update it?
03:12<Chutt>well, what version of g++ are you using?
03:12<Pedersen_>Full update? Long time ago... g++ version? 3.3? Lemme check.
03:12<Chutt>full debian version string of it
03:12<Chutt>want the deb revision
03:13<Pedersen_>If this means what I think it means, I'm going to be very very pissed with myself...
03:13<Pedersen_>Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.2/specs
03:13<Pedersen_>Configured with: ../src/configure -v --enable-languages=c,c++,java,f77,pascal,objc,ada,treelang --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/3.3 --enable-shared --with-system-zlib --enable-nls --without-included-gettext --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-debug --enable-java-gc=boehm --enable-java-awt=xlib --enable-objc-gc i486-linux
03:13<Pedersen_>Thread model: posix
03:13<Pedersen_>gcc version 3.3.2 20030908 (Debian prerelease)
03:14<Chutt>dpkg -s g++
03:15<Pedersen_>Well, I'm trying an update of g++-3.3, and gcc-3.3. Hopefully, there's a fix or two in there.
03:15<Chutt>what version was it?
03:16<Pedersen_>Version: 4:3.3.1-2
03:16<Chutt>read that for what i'm thinking the problem is.
03:16<Chutt>that's the current version, not the one you had before :p
03:17<Chutt>the date you pasted in before's right.
03:17<Pedersen_>Yep. I'm getting the update, and trying one more build tonight...
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03:18<Chutt>i'm going to be pissed if that was the problem :p
03:19<Pedersen_>And if that was the problem, I'm going to offer up a heartfelt apology.
03:19<Pedersen_>And a 6pack.
03:19<Chutt>naw, not your fault
03:19<Chutt>shoulda thought to ask earlier
03:19<Pedersen_>No, but my reactions to it have been.
03:19<Pedersen_>On the plus side, rebuild is about 17 minutes on this machine.
03:19<Chutt>there was a tiny thread on mythtv-dev about it
03:20<Chutt>last month, of course
03:20<Pedersen_>I missed it entirely (and yes, I am subscribed to mythtv-dev).
03:20<Chutt>Warning: mythtv debs version 0.11-5 are broken
03:20<Pedersen_>See, that would be why. I don't use .debs.
03:20<Chutt>i had a set of kde cvs debs compiled with the bad g++
03:21<Chutt>konq would infinite loop on complex web pages
03:21<Chutt>pain in the ass
03:21<Pedersen_>Well, not for mythtv. I've been compiling it by hand since at least 0.9 (I think 0.8).
03:21<Pedersen_>And an infinite loop would definitely fit with what we're seeing here. damn... if that's it, I'm going to kick myself really hard.
03:22<Chutt>that's the problem with unstable
03:22<Chutt>don't want to update _too_ often, but you do have to do it _fairly_ often
03:22<Pedersen_>I know. I keep meaning to drop myself down to testing, and leaving it there.
03:23<Pedersen_>Every so often, though, I find something that I feel I gotta have, and it's always in unstable :(
03:23<Pedersen_>So help me, if this is it, I'm going to be the world's biggest fan of checkinstall.
03:25<Pedersen_>checkinstall is a great little tool for people who like to compile their software, but still want to use the "official" packaging system. Builds .rpms, .debs, and Slack .tgz files, and does so VERY easily.
03:26<Pedersen_>And, the last time I looked, there were .debs for it, and they did work :)
03:27<Pedersen_>Bathroom break, BRB.
03:28<Pedersen_>on file 147 of 228.
03:29<Chutt>g++ 3.4 is supposedly even slower
03:29<Pedersen_>Man, when are they going to stop adding features, and start fixing the speed issues?
03:30<Chutt>and i saw mention of 3.5 being twice as slow as the current stuff
03:30<Chutt>but that's rather far down the road, so i'd _hope_ that gets changed
03:31<Chutt>compile time for mythtv doubled when stuff switched from 2.95 -> 3.0
03:31<Pedersen_>That's the one issue I'd like to see open source folkses address more readily (and I know that I try to do so myself): Speed. I want my programs to be as speedy as possible while still being featureful (I know, tough target to hit, though).
03:32<Pedersen_>As long as the runtime saw a suitable performance boost, I suppose I could live with the compiler going more slowly. But, I gotta admit, I'd still like to see the compiler be noticeably faster than it is.
03:34<Pedersen_>on file 189 of 228
03:35<Chutt>not to globalsettings.cpp yet =)
03:35<Chutt>that's the biggie
03:35<Pedersen_>Hey, don't suppose you know if getting multithreaded builds is going to happen any time soon? (and yeah, that's number 211)
03:35<Chutt>qmake doesn't really handle dependencies well enough for that
03:36<Pedersen_>That's a shame. A truly well done build on a multi-cpu machine could be so much faster (and, someday, I'll have one of them :)
03:37<Pedersen_>Ya know, qmake doesn't have to handle dependencies really at all. If qmake can output some lines directly, writing up a multi-threaded build is pretty straightforward.
03:37<Chutt>it has hooks for that
03:38<Pedersen_>Then a possible idea would be to setup a section of which is the make dependency list, and have qmake dump them out into the makefile (only the top level one has to handle it, most likely).
03:41<Pedersen_>And yes, I've done something like that. Hell, I made makefiles which were almost self-maintaining in their dependency tracking. All you had to do was list the .o file names, and where the source files could be found, and gnu make did the rest. Rather nice.
03:41<Pedersen_>Hey, 214 of 228! :)
03:45<Pedersen_>Chutt: Since I doubt I can legally send alcohol through the mail, where would you like me to send the check so you can buy it?
03:45<Chutt>no worries
03:47<Pedersen_>I owe you a huge favor. You solved this problem, and I don't know when (or even if) I ever would have. How can I pay you back?
03:47<Chutt>it's not necessary :p
03:47<Chutt>and it works now?
03:48<Pedersen_>Works very well, in fact. Only issue that I have is a minor one (fix conflicts just decided to crap out on me, but that's okay).
03:49<Chutt>time for bed, then =)
03:50<Pedersen_>Well, I can think of two ways I -=CAN=- say thank you.
03:50<Pedersen_>1) I'll try and help out here with questions.
03:50<Pedersen_>2) I'll make sure people continue to know of my love of mythtv, and my appreciation for the people who make and support it.
03:50<Pedersen_>And those two things, I will do (though, as you pointed out, it's bed time right now)
03:52<Pedersen_>G'night. And thanks again (I'll be back on thursday, most likely. tomorrow is pretty much dead due to this and work).
03:54<pmowry>For my own little issue, ivtv-fb is required for OSD on the pvr-350 tv-out.
03:54<pmowry>Looks like my segfault issues are gone too.
03:55<Pedersen_>Ahhh, very cool. I wish I could have been useful, but I really do know nothing about those cards (except that I want one).
03:55<pmowry>I do not have X running directly to the frame buffer device.
03:55<pmowry>NO problem, Ihad the easier task tonight.
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06:44<boogee>Hey guys, What should I be running my display resolution on my TV with Mythtv 800x600 or 640x480?
06:46<boogee>Hey guys, What should I be running my display resolution on my TV with Mythtv 800x600 or 640x480?
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11:17<josephk>I bet my decoding dies when the buffer hits the limit
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11:38* Pedersen_ waves?
11:38<Pedersen_>Anybody awake?
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11:41* Pedersen_ must ask for one more bit of help... The colors are way off, and the color changing controls make no sense to me.
11:42<josephk> dies after it goes over the limit
11:42<Chutt>did you turn on the xv picture controls?
11:42<josephk>I'm going to up the limit and see if there's a pattern
11:43<Chutt>you most likely don't want to use those
11:44<Pedersen_>Yep, and I'm trying without them. Seems that was a bad idea for me, maybe.
11:44<Chutt>they don't really work on ati cards
11:44<Chutt>unless you know what the defaults were, it may take a restart of X or a reboot to get it back
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11:46<Pedersen_>That's worth doing. BBIAM.
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11:47<mikegrb>not a good ideal to irc as root
11:47<josephk>blah blah blah
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11:48<root>ug ... I hate KSirc
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11:49<Pedersen_>Thank you so much again.
11:49<josephk>next thing you'll be telling me its bad not to have a root password
11:49<josephk>or to log into X as root
11:49* choenig is away: einkaufen
11:49<mikegrb>only when it is connected to a network ;)
11:49<jkolb>No no no. That's just fine. What's your IP address again?
11:50<Pedersen_>okay, shower/work time. Gotta go for now, but thanks again. IO'll be back tomorrow to try and help with answering questions, rather than asking them.
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11:50<josephk>fix my mythbox? what was that?
11:50<josephk>well if you're offering:)
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12:02<josephk>ok...froze before it even got to the limit this time
12:03<josephk>no segfault...nothing showing in dmesg
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12:04<josephk>I'll try debug=3
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12:07<josephk>well it froze up at 200MB this it doesn't appear to be a problem with the ringbuffer...still increasing in size
12:07<Chutt>it's _probably_ something in the driver
12:08<josephk>I'm checking...yours doesn't do it though correct?
12:10<josephk>I'm running decoder-devel from changes on October 5th...on the site is October 3rd...same problem in both...I'll see if they've updated recentl
12:10<thor_>learn something new everyday: there's a gcc flag called -Wno-unknown-pragmas
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12:16<josephk>maybe I should try the borked branch...hehe
12:18<Chutt>josephk, use your new gdb skills to get a backtrace of the frontend when it's stuck like that
12:18<josephk>well its not stucj
12:18<josephk>stuck even
12:18<josephk>just asking for data
12:18<Chutt>ok, so both backend and frontend
12:19<josephk>when I try I have to stop them...and the ouput is the same as if I were just interrupting them normally
12:20<josephk>I will try attaching after the fact
12:22<josephk>I'm grabbing the verbose output also...and having fun:D
12:23<josephk>I'm serious...kind of fun trying to figure it out
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12:43<Chutt>thor, hey, so when do i get a tarball =)
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12:50<thor_>Chutt, I can send you one now
12:50<thor_>(but it doesn't *do* much)
12:50<thor_>hang on
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12:54<thor_>btw, saw you mentioned select() in threads ... discovred a couple of days ago that a named pipe added to the select fd's is a great way to get one thread to pop another out of a select() call
12:56<Chutt>i'd probably just set a timeout to the select and check every so often
12:57<thor_>yeah, but if you need ownership of the file descriptors back in *this* thread, it's great to be able to pop the other out (assuming it releases a lock on them as soon as it comes out of selec())
12:57<thor_>I'm using it for sockets in the audio plugin which you will get shortly
12:58<thor_>one thread that just watches file descriptors for new socket connections and incoming data from clients
12:58<thor_>(but hey, I'm just making this up as I go along)
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13:09<o_cee>DELETE * FROM program WHERE chanid = 5; <-- hmm, what's wrong with that? gotta dig up my book about sql, hehe
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13:14<jkolb>You just want delete from program, no *
13:14<thor_>Chutt, fun things to try:
13:14<thor_>start like this ./mfd -l 10
13:14<thor_>run another one on another box: ./mfd -l 10
13:15<thor_>telnet localhost 2342
13:15<thor_>services list
13:15<thor_>(ah, we have an audio service)
13:15<thor_>telnet localhost 2343
13:15<thor_>play file:///whatever/content.mp3
13:15<o_cee>jkolb: thanks :)
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13:16<thor_>also, ps axf | grep mfd
13:19<Chutt>need an include assert.h in mfd/plugins/zeroconfig/zc_responder.cpp
13:21<Chutt>MFDService object could not call gethostbyaddr()
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13:21<thor_>shouldn't be a big problem, just can't tell if a service is local to host or not
13:24<Chutt>what about visualization info, though?
13:24<thor_>on a socket
13:24<thor_>almost done actually
13:25<thor_>I already have server sockets running in their own threads (QSocketDevice), so it's just more of the same
13:27<Chutt>so you're not using straight QSockets, good
13:28<thor_>only up at the top
13:28<Chutt>since qsocket needs the event loop, that's a good thing
13:29<thor_>you can do multiple connects on 2343 (audio service) from multiple clients, and they'll all get updated .... that's all inside some threads two levels down
13:30<thor_>which would be your Zauraus remote
13:30<Chutt>there's not a status message if you give it a bad filename
13:30<thor_>on the log, or the client?
13:30<Chutt>on the client
13:30<thor_>should say huh, will fix (of course)
13:31<thor_>spaces need to be %20
13:31<thor_>easiest is file://1.cda
13:31<thor_>(if that's working in the one I sent you)
13:32<thor_>(and you have a cd loaded)
13:32<Chutt>doesn't say huh
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13:32<thor_>will soon =)
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13:36<Chutt>this works pretty well
13:37<thor_>lots of framework, and lots more to come .... audio must undertand play daap://host/content and then things will get really interesting
13:37<thor_>oh, and then maybe a GUI client ;-)
13:38<Chutt>why don't you check this stuff into cvs sometime?
13:38<Chutt>just so it's backed up, etc
13:38<thor_>I've been ftp'ing it around just in case
13:38<thor_>but why don't you plop that tarball in (I still don't know how to do initial CVS imports) and I'll put in changes
13:39<thor_>you see anything radically stupid about the whole everything is a service and every service sits in its own threads ?
13:46<josephk>I should update gcc
13:48<josephk>I'm 3.2.2
13:48<thor_>Chutt, you're not runnin ip6 by any chance, are you?
13:51<thor_>you running on a box that has no entry in /etc/hosts trying to figure out why you couldn't do gethostbyaddr()
13:52<Chutt>i'll check it out later, don't worry 'bout it
13:52<thor_>I'll add some debug info to the warning()
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16:02<thor_>Chutt, do I need to anything other than: cvs import -m "Intitial Import" mfd foo start
16:02<thor_>to do
16:03<Chutt>if you're in the mfd dir
16:03<thor_>that do sub dirs ?
16:03<Chutt>and that should do it properly
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16:03<thor_>you can correct this if I bugger it up?
16:03<Chutt>of course
16:04<thor_>in a bit
16:06<warlord>Hmm, the "fix conflicts" screen is hanging on me. Let me update CVS and see if it helps.
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16:33<warlord>ok, it does. good.
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17:03<mikegrb>welcome beau
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18:01<thor_>beau, btw it wasn't an AP gateway problem, seems XP decided it should turn on a firewall when using a wireless network adaptor
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18:21<DogBoy>after transcoding, when do the old files get deleted?
18:26<mikegrb>when you delete them
18:30<o_cee>there's a setting for that as well
18:31<o_cee>in the setup program
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18:35<DogBoy>so they are not deleted automatically by mythtv?
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18:35<DogBoy>been looking for some setting for that but have not found one
18:35<DogBoy>maybe it's in there with the auto expire thing
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18:52<D-side>so whats new and exciting
18:54<D-side>anyone running gentoo as a backend?
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19:03<mikegrb>In case anyone is curious...
19:04<mikegrb>A dual 2.66 ghz Xeon kicks the pants off a uni 1.7ghz celeron
19:04<mikegrb>of course there are several more gigs of ram on the 2.66 but hey, whos counting?
19:04<D-side>that is indeed shocking news. have you called reuters yet?
19:04<sfr>hard to believe actually ;p
19:04<mikegrb>not yet
19:04<mikegrb>I started a compile locally
19:04<D-side>post it to /. now and i'll get the FP!
19:04<mikegrb>ssh'ed into the server, modified some files and started the compile there
19:05<D-side>dont talk to me about compiling, i'm about to do a stage 1 gentoo install on an xp2000 w/ a half a gig ram
19:05<mikegrb>I saw configure finishing and thought it must be the server... no it was local, server was already into the compile, nice'd down at that
19:05<mikegrb>these are both gentoo
19:06<D-side>welp, brb. bringing the freshly burned gentoo cd downstairs.
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19:06<mikegrb>heh the xeon is already on the next program
19:06<mikegrb>my celeron has been lapped
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20:50<warlord>hmm... interesting focus issue.. We were watching LiveTV, then went into the EPG.. While in the EPG it popped up a dialog saying that it wanted to use the tuner to record something else... We lost focus and couldn't do anything except kill the frontend.
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20:56<pmowry>What do you hit to get EPG from Live TV? I just hit exit.... I wanna try to duplicate.
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21:05<pmowry>Duh, The Menu key on my remote or M. I'll try in 30 minutes. I actually had something to record. So I'll try to duplicate the lost focus when its over.
21:06<thor_>warlord, 0.12 ?
21:07<warlord>thor_: well, current-CVS
21:07<warlord>(current as of about 4-6 hours ago)
21:08<thor_>thought we had this issue licked
21:08<thor_>please tell me your running some godawful obscure window manager in "screw up" focus mode
21:08<warlord>well, strangely the pop-up dialog was in the little preview window...
21:08<warlord>I'm running kde
21:09<warlord>we were in EPG, and the "popup" showed up in the live-tv preview window...
21:09<thor_>don't do that
21:09<warlord>what do you mean, "dont do that"...
21:09<thor_>kidding ....
21:10<warlord>How am *I* supposed to know when it wants to take my tuner out from under me?
21:10<thor_>that "popup" is really an OSD
21:10<thor_>but nothing I can fix (unfortunately)
21:11<thor_>if you want to help Chutt on this, setup a recording and repeat the same thing, but in gdb
21:13<warlord>i'll try... although rh9 + gdb + multithread seems to have a LOT of problems.
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21:16<pmowry>Is it worth trying to duplicate with twm as well? I'm RH9 and latest CVS too.
21:17<pmowry>ivtv-fb for display.
21:20<warlord>sure, go ahead...
21:20<warlord>i'm using nvidia tv-out
21:23<thor_>video out shouldn't matter ... I suspect the OSD popup thinks it has focus ... but not my code. A backtrace on the lockup can show Chutt exactly where things are spinning
21:24<pmowry>Gnome is installed too, kde might be around. // Thor, so you dont think it is window manager specific?
21:25<thor_>I doubt it ...
21:25<thor_>but I've been known to be wrong
21:29<pmowry>wow, gdb is not on the box. gottafix that.
21:44<thor_>what kind of a nutbar puts methods in a struct ?
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22:16<D-side>now that kde and gnome are gone, i need to pick a decent lightweight wm
22:18<josephk>feh...I use windowmaker
22:18<D-side>i was considering blackbox or the like
22:18<D-side>just wondering about possible focus problems
22:18<josephk>blackbox is nice too
22:19<D-side>i'm redoing the whole box w/ gentoo, so i guess i'm just looking for ideas
22:20<josephk>southpark is ridiculous
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22:21<warlord>I see nothing wrong with kde as a WM -- it's pretty much just swapped all the time.
22:21<josephk>I had trouble using least on a slower machine
22:21<josephk>but that was probably my fault
22:22<josephk>using windowmaker or blackbox made myth a wee bit zippier
22:22<warlord>I've got a fast machine, so I guess I just dont have a problem.
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22:29<D-side>well i figured that since i'm going with gentoo anyway i might as well streamline it as much as possible.
22:29<D-side>this might still end up being solely a backend anyway.
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