| --- | Log | opened Wed Nov 12 00:00:04 2003 |
| --- | Day | changed Wed Nov 12 2003 |
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| 00:09 | <D-side> | well my project failed. |
| 00:10 | <tmk> | :< |
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| 00:10 | <D-side> | i handed a configured myth box to a friend with no linux knowledge whatsoever. |
| 00:12 | <D-side> | it came down the the quality he was getting on recordings, which he mainly blames on the crap quality of the tuner card. |
| 00:12 | <D-side> | cant say i blame him. wish it were otherwise. |
| 00:13 | <josephk> | what card? |
| 00:14 | <josephk> | bttv? |
| 00:14 | <D-side> | just a regular run of the mill bt878. not sure which, its either the hauppauge or pctv |
| 00:14 | <D-side> | yeah |
| 00:15 | <josephk> | yeah...they do seem to be pretty cruddy |
| 00:15 | <D-side> | i've got a wintv in mine, using the composite in, and its still crappy in comparison |
| 00:15 | <D-side> | thats why i was looking for a straight rca/svideo in (no tuner) capture card. too bad no one makes one. :/ |
| 00:15 | <D-side> | i was actually wondering about the pinnacle DC10+ mjpeg cards. |
| 00:16 | <D-side> | is it the same type of quality on the 250/350's? i'd have to assume so |
| 00:17 | <DogBoy> | crappy in comparison to what |
| 00:18 | <tmk> | d-side: no i think it's worse |
| 00:18 | <D-side> | tivo/replay |
| 00:18 | <tmk> | but i'd have to see side-by-side |
| 00:18 | <D-side> | tmk: to the mjpeg or the 250s? |
| 00:18 | <tmk> | mjpeg is worse |
| 00:18 | <D-side> | yeah as far as encoded files go, absolutely.. for the purposes of this conversation though, i mean solely the video input. |
| 00:19 | <D-side> | like, bttv cards look washed out and just... fuzzy, for lack of a better term. |
| 00:19 | <tmk> | i see |
| 00:19 | <D-side> | i'd give anything for a crisper, cleaner picture |
| 00:19 | <tmk> | it's probably the digitizer |
| 00:19 | <Teflon-> | pvr-250! |
| 00:19 | <tmk> | heh |
| 00:19 | <D-side> | i'm half tempted to try a higher end nvidia card with VIVO just to see if i'm right. |
| 00:19 | <tmk> | thank you for your patronage |
| 00:19 | <Teflon-> | i have lovely "sharp" images from S-Video in. |
| 00:19 | <Teflon-> | (I've played the files on various devices now) |
| 00:20 | <D-side> | hey i'd love to buy a 250 or this silly avermedia card. |
| 00:20 | <D-side> | tmk: whats your opinion on those cheap things, at this stage in the game |
| 00:20 | <tmk> | i hear there are quality issues with the avermedia |
| 00:20 | <tmk> | i can't' see why tho |
| 00:20 | <tmk> | it's the same digitizer and encoder |
| 00:20 | <tmk> | unless they were sloppy with grounding o something |
| 00:20 | <D-side> | oh that |
| 00:20 | <tmk> | i hear you can get real pvr250's for ~$90 |
| 00:20 | <D-side> | tmk: that rumor from the MCE guys? |
| 00:20 | <tmk> | it was on the ivtv maailing list |
| 00:20 | <Teflon-> | freestyles not pvr250s |
| 00:21 | <D-side> | i read somewhere (i think a -users post) that they blame that on the windows drivers |
| 00:21 | <tmk> | hm |
| 00:21 | <tmk> | well use em with ivtv :) |
| 00:21 | <D-side> | whats the diff between the freestyle and the 250 again? |
| 00:21 | <D-side> | tmk: and i would! |
| 00:21 | <tmk> | freestyle has no ir |
| 00:21 | <Teflon-> | D-side, lack of IR |
| 00:21 | <D-side> | oh. |
| 00:21 | <Teflon-> | (which i dont use) |
| 00:21 | <D-side> | F IR |
| 00:21 | <tmk> | i use mine |
| 00:21 | <tmk> | it's nice |
| 00:21 | <Teflon-> | i should really order a freestyle |
| 00:21 | <tmk> | get a pvr350 |
| 00:21 | <tmk> | it's worth $180 :) |
| 00:21 | <Teflon-> | tmk, i have an ATI Remote Wonder leftover from my ATI TV Wonder VE |
| 00:21 | <D-side> | i'm planning on having seperate frontends to the single backend. |
| 00:21 | <tmk> | d-side: i'm doing that now |
| 00:21 | <tmk> | i built a set-top box |
| 00:22 | <tmk> | i'll let you know how it goes |
| 00:22 | <Teflon-> | i need to build a settop |
| 00:22 | <D-side> | tmk: which leaves you without a need for the 350's IR. :) |
| 00:22 | <Teflon-> | need to find fast enough hardware. |
| 00:22 | <D-side> | tmk: what parts are you using? tell me an EPIA |
| 00:22 | <tmk> | yeah |
| 00:22 | <tmk> | epia nehemiah |
| 00:22 | <D-side> | excellent, excellent. |
| 00:22 | <tmk> | pvr350, dvd+cdrw |
| 00:22 | <D-side> | 512mb ram? |
| 00:22 | <tmk> | home-made case |
| 00:22 | <tmk> | 128mb |
| 00:22 | <Teflon-> | tmk how well does it play back 4.4mbps DVD format Mpeg-2? |
| 00:22 | <tmk> | what do i need with ram |
| 00:22 | <D-side> | good god. |
| 00:22 | <D-side> | but wait. |
| 00:22 | <D-side> | a 350 on a frontend machine? why? |
| 00:22 | <tmk> | tv-out |
| 00:22 | <Teflon-> | D-side, decoder |
| 00:23 | <D-side> | oh thats right that works now. |
| 00:23 | <tmk> | pvr350 tv-out kicks butt |
| 00:23 | <tmk> | i can't tell the difference |
| 00:23 | <D-side> | now i know i can find this info on the list, but i'm going to ask anyway... :) |
| 00:23 | <Teflon-> | and the frontend can nfs mount the backend's disk to also write to the spool |
| 00:23 | <Teflon-> | recording doesn't use much cpu power fortunately. |
| 00:23 | <D-side> | the tv out is the same as a regular vga out? |
| 00:23 | <josephk> | if it wasn't so damn finicky |
| 00:23 | <tmk> | no |
| 00:23 | <D-side> | thats a crap question. let me rephrase. |
| 00:24 | <tmk> | it's out the pvr350 |
| 00:24 | <D-side> | yeah i know, i retract that question |
| 00:24 | <D-side> | will the 350 display the menus and OSD, or merely the decoded mpeg ? |
| 00:24 | <tmk> | all of it |
| 00:24 | <tmk> | it's an X framebuffer |
| 00:24 | <josephk> | it is god-like |
| 00:24 | <D-side> | oh shit. |
| 00:24 | <D-side> | wow. |
| 00:24 | <josephk> | much like chutt |
| 00:24 | <tmk> | hehe |
| 00:25 | <D-side> | need a patched to hell and back X? |
| 00:25 | <tmk> | well, i can't get it working on my VIA |
| 00:25 | <tmk> | no |
| 00:25 | <tmk> | standard X |
| 00:25 | <D-side> | i'm liking this idea. |
| 00:25 | <tmk> | it was working on my celeron 433 |
| 00:25 | <D-side> | i picked up a 340mb CF microdrive. any bets on whether i can make a frontend go on it? :) |
| 00:25 | <Teflon-> | D-side, ROTFL! |
| 00:25 | <josephk> | works on a 440bx2,815, or KT400 |
| 00:25 | <Teflon-> | microdrives are sloooow |
| 00:26 | <Teflon-> | use it in a digicam |
| 00:26 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I put the exact phrase "email me PRIVATELY and ask" in my post about M179 samples and some guy still emails the whole list asking me for the link. |
| 00:26 | <D-side> | Teflon-: yeah, but whats the need for speed on it? |
| 00:26 | <D-side> | its not going to have recordings on it. |
| 00:26 | <tmk> | people don't read |
| 00:26 | <Teflon-> | D-side, make linux boot as slowly as windows! |
| 00:26 | <D-side> | just the OS and the frontend itself. |
| 00:26 | <D-side> | <perk> |
| 00:26 | <D-side> | samples? |
| 00:26 | <josephk> | can I have a link please...oh hold on, let me send it to every list I can find |
| 00:28 | <Teflon-> | sleepy time |
| 00:29 | <tmk> | chutt: you around? |
| 00:29 | <D-side> | hm. now to find out where freestyles can e had |
| 00:29 | <D-side> | be even. |
| 00:30 | <tmk> | ebay i think |
| 00:30 | <tmk> | search hauppaauge mce |
| 00:30 | <tmk> | was what i heard |
| 00:32 | <ChaosExiguum> | z-buy.com used to have them, they might still |
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| 00:33 | <D-side> | yeah. $85 on z-buy |
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| 00:33 | <D-side> | so its worth it just for the tv-out, eh? |
| 00:34 | | * Captain_Murdoch wonders if that guy is in #mythtv now since he just emailed me privately. :) |
| 00:34 | <D-side> | haha |
| 00:34 | <tmk> | well |
| 00:34 | <ChaosExiguum> | which, the 350? |
| 00:34 | <tmk> | d-side: up until i gto this box going |
| 00:34 | <tmk> | the only tv-out i had was pvr350 |
| 00:35 | <tmk> | if i had to buy a pvr250 ($130 new?) |
| 00:35 | <tmk> | and a vidcard with tv-out |
| 00:35 | <tmk> | then it's definately worth it |
| 00:35 | <D-side> | i've already got a geforce4mx card doing tv out, so i'm wondering if i just want to wait until the avertv cards are fully supported, or just buy the stupid freestyle card |
| 00:35 | <ChaosExiguum> | I have found the svideo on my 350 to be about 4x better than the builtin svideo on my epia m10k |
| 00:36 | <D-side> | ChaosExiguum: ever compare it to an nvidia tv out? |
| 00:36 | <Captain_Murdoch> | the card on z-buy isn't a 350 |
| 00:36 | <tmk> | chaos: can i msg you |
| 00:36 | <D-side> | afk a bit |
| 00:36 | <ChaosExiguum> | sure |
| 00:36 | <ChaosExiguum> | err. tmk sure... d-side, no I have not |
| 00:36 | <tmk> | d-side: only other tv-out i'd recommend is the matrox directfb stuff |
| 00:36 | <tmk> | aka g400 |
| 00:38 | <Viddy> | has mdz been in recently? |
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| 00:39 | <Captain_Murdoch> | Viddy: yesterday sometime I think. |
| 00:39 | <Viddy> | cool |
| 00:39 | <D-side> | tmk: dont suppose theres overscan settings for the 350s tv out? just in case it doesnt fill the screen |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | tmk, whatcha need? |
| 00:40 | <tmk> | chutt: was wondering if you had any trouble getting the fb to work on your via box |
| 00:40 | <tmk> | mine's angry |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | naw, worked fine |
| 00:41 | <D-side> | tmk: let me know if you get it working. then tell me all the parts you put in it so i can get the same stuff. :) |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | didn't have any issues with it |
| 00:41 | <tmk> | what vid driver for the via display? |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | not using one |
| 00:42 | <tmk> | so your only display is the pvr350? |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 00:42 | <tmk> | mind sending me your X config? |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | sure, 'sec |
| 00:42 | <tmk> | cool |
| 00:42 | <tmk> | rh9? stock X? |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | rh8 |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | stock x |
| 00:42 | <tmk> | ha |
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| 00:44 | <Chutt> | sent |
| 00:44 | <tmk> | th |
| 00:44 | <tmk> | x |
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| 00:44 | <tmk> | heh. looks almost identical to mine |
| 00:45 | <tmk> | i may have to diff them :) |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | not surprised |
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| 00:46 | <tmk> | hmm. did find one thing that may be significant |
| 00:46 | <josephk> | had a problem with a via board...solution... |
| 00:47 | <josephk> | I dropped it from 3 floors |
| 00:47 | <Chutt> | the epia-m's don't have the dma/pci problem or whatever the hell it is |
| 00:47 | <josephk> | would hope not |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | i need to find a replacement cpu fan for mine |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | the damn thing keeps getting louder |
| 00:49 | <josephk> | my vantec tmd is ok |
| 00:49 | <btatton> | Evening.. |
| 00:49 | <Chutt> | 40mm, low profile |
| 00:49 | <josephk> | ah ok |
| 00:49 | <josephk> | not even close |
| 00:49 | <josephk> | :) |
| 00:49 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 00:50 | <Chutt> | i have a 40mm papst in the power supply that's quiet |
| 00:50 | <Chutt> | but the place i ordered that from doesn't carry em anymore |
| 00:53 | <josephk> | directron is out |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | yup, that's what i just said :p |
| 00:53 | <josephk> | hehe |
| 00:54 | <josephk> | at what point did you say directron? |
| 00:54 | <Chutt> | 'the place i ordered that from' |
| 00:55 | <josephk> | bah nevermind that I'm psychic |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | hm |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | time to potentially fuck up cvs |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | well, if this diff would ever complete |
| 00:57 | <Chiphead> | got a bug with lastest cvs, parsign date of recordings id wrong and giving errors: QDate::setYMD: Invalid date 2935-93-02. Where should I look to fix it? |
| 00:57 | <Chutt> | update your backend and frontend at the same time. |
| 00:58 | <Chiphead> | hmmm I did |
| 00:58 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 00:58 | <Chiphead> | ill do it again :) |
| 00:58 | <ChaosExiguum> | did you restart it? |
| 00:58 | <Chutt> | you're running an older version of one of them |
| 00:58 | <Chiphead> | or should I wait till you commit |
| 00:58 | <Chutt> | this is only potential breakage |
| 00:58 | <Chutt> | i doubt you want it |
| 00:58 | <Chiphead> | :) |
| 00:59 | <Chiphead> | doing simultanious update |
| 01:00 | <Chiphead> | no chanes :( |
| 01:00 | <Chiphead> | changes |
| 01:00 | <Chutt> | then you forgot to make install or something |
| 01:00 | <Chutt> | pretty much the only way you can get stuff like that is if it's out of sync |
| 01:01 | <Chiphead> | I dont think so... I usually build on both system at same time |
| 01:01 | <Chiphead> | Ill try again |
| 01:02 | <josephk> | in cases such as these I often rm the entire directory and start over...that bad? |
| 01:03 | <josephk> | hehe |
| 01:05 | <ChaosExiguum> | its no worse than d/ling the latest stable release |
| 01:07 | <Chiphead> | messed up my recordedmarkup table somewhere along the way tyoo, mysql was erroring about it couldnt open recordedmarkupMYD existsd. Had to drop and recreate the table |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | mysqlcheck can generally fix that right up |
| 01:09 | <D-side> | uh oh. |
| 01:09 | <D-side> | the freshrpms site.. is it .com? |
| 01:10 | <D-side> | blah. nevermind. |
| 01:10 | <Chiphead> | so what you going to break Chutt? |
| 01:12 | <josephk> | yo face:) |
| 01:12 | <Captain_Murdoch> | chip, if you drop and recreate recordedmarkup, you can run mythcommflag afterwards to reflag commercials for all your recordings. |
| 01:12 | <Chiphead> | Captain_Murdoch, yep already done |
| 01:14 | | * Chiphead is always amazed at the power of lots of ram... myth compiles 2x faster on my backend(ppro400 w/512 megs) that my frontend (celeron 733 w/64 megs) |
| 01:14 | <Captain_Murdoch> | globalsettings.cpp |
| 01:14 | <Chutt> | well over 100MB, due to g++ =) |
| 01:14 | <Chiphead> | yep its a dog |
| 01:15 | <term> | whee |
| 01:15 | <term> | Chutt: so the whole load average problem is gone. |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | that's cool, too |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | you saw there's almost an in-kernel nic driver now? |
| 01:16 | <term> | now I just have to get the screen to fill in the blank area at the bottom and top of the screen, and make the font readable. :) |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | allright, cvs is updated |
| 01:16 | <term> | in-kernel nic driver? |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | test please =) |
| 01:16 | <tmk> | aren't all nic drivers in the kernel? |
| 01:16 | | * Chiphead waits has had enough problems today :P |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | not for the nforce built in stuff |
| 01:16 | <tmk> | ah |
| 01:17 | <term> | tmk: hey, I took an ebuild file I found on the web and made a nearly-compliant ebuild thing for ivtv. |
| 01:17 | <tmk> | cool i think |
| 01:17 | <tmk> | what's an ebuild |
| 01:17 | <term> | ebuild is gentoo's packaging file stuff |
| 01:17 | <ChaosExiguum> | gentoo package |
| 01:17 | <term> | like a debian/ directory |
| 01:17 | <term> | it warns about something in the ebuild file but it compiles fine anyway. |
| 01:18 | <term> | only caveat is it likes versioned sources to pull. :) |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | having a versioned release means having to officially support it and stuff |
| 01:19 | <Chiphead> | :) |
| 01:19 | <tmk> | i support nothing! |
| 01:19 | <term> | I'm just announcing that I've created it. |
| 01:19 | <term> | either way it's in my local portage tree, so it's trivial for me to keep messing with. :) |
| 01:20 | <tmk> | does gentoo do everything from source |
| 01:20 | <term> | yep. |
| 01:20 | <tmk> | or do they package stuff |
| 01:20 | <term> | though you can get a prepacked set of stuff for the release |
| 01:20 | | * josephk is away: I'm actually away...I don't believe me either |
| 01:20 | <tmk> | interesting |
| 01:21 | <term> | takes 2 days on a fast machine to install and build kde, etc, but it's well done imo |
| 01:21 | <Chiphead> | is mythosd part of the front or back end? |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | frontend |
| 01:21 | <term> | I installed prelink, which also seems to be speeding things up. |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | term, did you see the numbers i was pasting in here a couple nights ago? |
| 01:21 | <term> | Chutt: no |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | doing some speed tests with some work code |
| 01:22 | <Chiphead> | would be nice to have a setting in the settings.pro to say to build a backend only or a frontend only |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | -march=athlon-xp is 50% slower than -march=pentiumpro =) |
| 01:22 | <term> | eek. |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | chiphead, the source dependencies are identical |
| 01:22 | <term> | g++ or gcc? |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | g++ |
| 01:22 | <term> | oh. |
| 01:22 | <term> | crap. |
| 01:22 | <ChaosExiguum> | are we talking running or building here? |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | run time |
| 01:23 | <term> | well if I start to care I'll fix my CFLAGS and emerge -e world :) |
| 01:23 | <Chutt> | 'course, that's not a user app |
| 01:23 | <Chutt> | heavy math database stuff |
| 01:23 | <term> | ah. |
| 01:23 | <Chutt> | but, still |
| 01:23 | <Chiphead> | but like the frontend, I dont need mythcommflag, filldb backend etc. |
| 01:23 | <term> | I donno, my machine's doing fairly well atm. |
| 01:23 | <term> | but I'll keep that in mind. |
| 01:23 | <Chutt> | chiphead, you can always comment stuff out of programs/programs.pro really easily |
| 01:24 | <Chiphead> | I do and then cvs nicely merges em back in :) |
| 01:24 | <Chutt> | -march=pentiumpro with all the "common" l33t boy optimizations was about the same speed as -march=athlon-xp |
| 01:24 | <Chutt> | ie, 50% slower than -O3 -march=pentiumpro |
| 01:24 | <ChaosExiguum> | lol |
| 01:24 | <term> | haha |
| 01:24 | <term> | so basically -O3 -march=pentiumpro is fastest so far |
| 01:24 | <Chutt> | well |
| 01:25 | <Chutt> | on older g++ versions |
| 01:25 | <term> | "older"? |
| 01:25 | <Chutt> | and an older, but similar codebase |
| 01:25 | <ChaosExiguum> | what processor were you acutally running on? |
| 01:25 | <Chutt> | i was able to get like a 10% speed increase by playing with the optimizations |
| 01:25 | <Chiphead> | what version of gcc do you use Chutt? |
| 01:25 | <Chutt> | xp 1800+ |
| 01:25 | <Chutt> | g++ 3.3.2 |
| 01:25 | <term> | you ran the tests on g++ 3.3.2? |
| 01:25 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 01:25 | <term> | hm |
| 01:26 | <term> | I have 3.2.3 on my gentoo machine.. |
| 01:26 | <Chiphead> | ick... 3.3 gave me nothing but problems on the xbox seg faults all the time |
| 01:26 | <Chutt> | works fine here |
| 01:26 | <Chutt> | aside from producing assy code |
| 01:26 | <tmk> | heh |
| 01:26 | <Chiphead> | yeah works fine on my ppro too |
| 01:31 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:31 | <Chutt> | so the software mpeg2 decoding was one frame off the video clock |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | i wonder if anyone ever noticed |
| 01:32 | <tmk> | audio you mean |
| 01:32 | <tmk> | ? |
| 01:33 | <Chutt> | no, i was interpreting the video pts one off |
| 01:33 | <tmk> | oh |
| 01:33 | <tmk> | heh |
| 01:33 | | * Chiphead never noticed |
| 01:33 | <Chutt> | well, it's fucked up, really |
| 01:33 | <Chutt> | i/p frames have different rules |
| 01:34 | <Chutt> | the new stuff that's in cvs now should be right |
| 01:34 | <term> | Chutt: is there a way to reduce the lag time between when a frame actually comes over the wire and when it displays to the user? |
| 01:34 | <term> | s/wire/cable/, to be more accuate |
| 01:34 | <term> | +r |
| 01:35 | <Chutt> | yeah, you can always play with the buffering |
| 01:35 | <term> | ah, so changing the buffer size in the driver? |
| 01:35 | <D-side> | term: so gentoo gets your seal of approval eh? |
| 01:35 | <term> | mpg_buffers or whatever? |
| 01:35 | <Chutt> | no, in mythtv |
| 01:35 | <term> | D-side: yep, now I'm wrestling with mythtv and lirc |
| 01:35 | <term> | Chutt: ahh. |
| 01:36 | <D-side> | the lirc ebuild pissed me off. |
| 01:36 | <D-side> | mainly thats due to my lack of knowledge. |
| 01:36 | <term> | D-side: xmltv .21 and my cable listings aren't getting along. |
| 01:36 | <D-side> | all i want to do is pass a stupid config option to tell it to use the ir200l crap |
| 01:36 | <term> | I've already built lirc a bunch of times under debian, so I'm ready for it. |
| 01:36 | <term> | I wrote the author, and he claims they're working on a version of lircd that can handle multiple devices at once |
| 01:36 | <ChaosExiguum> | D-side, I find gentoo refreshingly uncluttered and streamlined |
| 01:36 | <Chiphead> | whew... backend completed just in time to catch nova |
| 01:37 | <term> | I had offered to do it myself |
| 01:37 | <D-side> | ChaosExiguum: you're preaching to the choir. I run it on my backend and frontend. |
| 01:37 | <term> | seeing as most of the daemon already has all the device-specific stuff in structures |
| 01:37 | <D-side> | term: yeah i read that on their lists. |
| 01:37 | <ChaosExiguum> | :o) |
| 01:37 | <D-side> | uh oh. a sync is taking a while |
| 01:37 | <D-side> | might be a big one tonight. |
| 01:37 | <term> | kind of odd to write the daemon with everything nicely parsed out and then only allow the main loop to handle a single device. |
| 01:38 | <Chutt> | xmltv used to be the worst thing to get installed |
| 01:38 | <Chutt> | now it's lirc |
| 01:38 | <term> | heh |
| 01:38 | <term> | xmltv still drives me nuts. |
| 01:38 | <Chutt> | since xmltv is packaged everywhere now |
| 01:38 | <D-side> | xmltv guys promise not to f with settings that screw us? :) |
| 01:39 | <term> | at this point I just want consistant listings :( |
| 01:39 | <Chutt> | i get periodic updates from zap2it about their service |
| 01:39 | <Chutt> | never a go-live date, though |
| 01:39 | <D-side> | how much is it going to be? |
| 01:40 | <Chutt> | never heard |
| 01:40 | <term> | doh. |
| 01:40 | <D-side> | eh, its probably worth it. |
| 01:40 | <term> | I'll probably do it. |
| 01:40 | <D-side> | so long as it provides the kind of info the tivo/replay listings have. |
| 01:40 | <term> | yeah. |
| 01:40 | <Chutt> | be the same feed |
| 01:40 | <Chiphead> | my cable co uses zap2it for their listings on their webpage |
| 01:40 | <D-side> | oh excellent. |
| 01:40 | <term> | I hope Comcast isn't. |
| 01:41 | <D-side> | i suppose then someone could forge ahead and setup the same kind of searches, say by actor et al |
| 01:41 | <term> | they regularly get some shows wrong. |
| 01:41 | <tmk> | woot |
| 01:41 | <tmk> | set-top box is running |
| 01:41 | <D-side> | tmk: heh. now please kindly email me with the system specs and all your config files. :D |
| 01:41 | <ChaosExiguum> | so does mythfilldatabase refresha evey day in the database, or just the days that are new? |
| 01:41 | <term> | haah |
| 01:41 | <tmk> | D-side: you don't even have a pvr350 |
| 01:41 | <Chutt> | tmk, in current-ish mythtv cvs, i've got it only doing 6 buffers and have turned off prebuffering |
| 01:41 | <term> | ChaosExiguum: I think it's only what's not already done. |
| 01:42 | <D-side> | tmk: that'll change, if your settop box works good. :) |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | seems to work well, and really improves speed |
| 01:42 | <tmk> | really? cool |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 01:42 | <tmk> | d-side i'll keep you posted |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | no big long delay for seeking anymore |
| 01:42 | <tmk> | jens made that an ioctl right |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | i did :p |
| 01:42 | <D-side> | tmk: hey, i was kidding but i'll take whatever charity i can get. |
| 01:42 | <tmk> | heh |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | because i wanted to try em out |
| 01:42 | <tmk> | so far the biggest thing was to do 'make oldconfig' to pull the config from the kernel |
| 01:42 | <D-side> | i had considered the pundits, but somehow it seems like more trouble than its worth |
| 01:42 | <term> | hm, so I'll have a working backend in a week, I hope. |
| 01:43 | <D-side> | term: a week? wtf |
| 01:43 | <term> | D-side: 3 day shipping. |
| 01:43 | <term> | today's wednesday. |
| 01:43 | <btatton> | can I run multiple prv 250's inthe same box?? |
| 01:43 | <D-side> | oh okay fine. |
| 01:43 | <tmk> | yeah |
| 01:43 | <D-side> | term: oh thats right, the ir blaster. |
| 01:43 | <term> | yeah. |
| 01:43 | <tmk> | btatton: yes you can |
| 01:43 | <Chutt> | btatton, 'course |
| 01:43 | <btatton> | I thought so.. |
| 01:43 | <tmk> | you can even run a 250 and a 350 |
| 01:43 | <tmk> | and probably also a yuan and a m129 |
| 01:43 | <btatton> | I have a couple differnt cards. |
| 01:43 | <D-side> | now i have to figure out how to tell portage to stop trying to upgrade something i just f'ing unmerged. :/ |
| 01:43 | <btatton> | thanks.. |
| 01:44 | <Chiphead> | can the cards use different feeds? |
| 01:44 | <Chutt> | 'course |
| 01:44 | <term> | then I only have uh, 3 more projects to do related to computers |
| 01:44 | <tmk> | i have 2 feeds in each card |
| 01:44 | <tmk> | on efor tuner |
| 01:44 | <Chutt> | the only limitation is you can't switch while in live-tv |
| 01:44 | <tmk> | one for video-in |
| 01:44 | <term> | I need to figure out all the new features in mythtv, too. ;) |
| 01:44 | <Chutt> | and once i do an osd menu, i should be able to have it tear down and reconnect to the other card if asked to |
| 01:45 | | * tmk goes off to update mythtv again |
| 01:45 | <Chutt> | i like my spiffy osd text scroller |
| 01:45 | <Chutt> | though, it's not that smooth on the pvr-350 =) |
| 01:45 | <D-side> | so any osd irc clients yet? :) |
| 01:45 | <Chiphead> | like I would want one to have my analog cable channels 2-69 and the other to have the feed from the digi cable box channels 2-999 |
| 01:45 | <Chutt> | need to figure out how to get that updating faster |
| 01:46 | <tmk> | chutt: with only 6 buffers, the double-buffering osd trick might work |
| 01:46 | <ChaosExiguum> | speaking of cards, does anyone know anything about support for the wintv-d? |
| 01:46 | <Chutt> | tmk, oooh, true |
| 01:46 | <tmk> | i think it might have stolen extra mem from teh osd space |
| 01:46 | <tmk> | chutt: probably wouldn't speed it up any however |
| 01:47 | <tmk> | it'd jsut be smoother |
| 01:47 | <Chutt> | smoother would be fine |
| 01:47 | <tmk> | :) |
| 01:47 | <Chutt> | allright, bed time |
| 01:47 | <Chiphead> | g'night Chutt |
| 01:47 | <D-side> | later. |
| 01:48 | <tmk> | now to install alsa |
| 01:48 | <D-side> | term: so what do you think... would an imap based OSD email notification mod be a good idea, or should i shut the fuck up and go to bed |
| 01:48 | <tmk> | bed |
| 01:48 | <D-side> | sigh. |
| 01:49 | <term> | D-side: massive overkill? :) |
| 01:49 | <D-side> | you dont think a little email icon fading into the right corner would be a nice idea? :) |
| 01:49 | <D-side> | term: overkill? thats the POINT of this to me. |
| 01:49 | <term> | I just prefer a tv and my laptop. :) |
| 01:49 | <D-side> | i could have just up an bought a tivo. |
| 01:49 | <term> | besides, I'M not writing it. :) |
| 01:49 | <tmk> | if anyone's going to go hack at myth |
| 01:49 | <tmk> | i have an idea |
| 01:49 | <tmk> | :P |
| 01:49 | <tmk> | a 'thinking' icon |
| 01:49 | <tmk> | like hourglass or soemthing |
| 01:50 | <tmk> | so you know if you pushed the button on the remote |
| 01:50 | <tmk> | i hate hitting 'enter' to go to watch recordings |
| 01:50 | <tmk> | and not know if it's working on it or not |
| 01:50 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ditto |
| 01:50 | <D-side> | oh, i see what you mean. |
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| 01:50 | <D-side> | hm. |
| 01:50 | <ChaosExiguum> | ill 4th that |
| 01:50 | <D-side> | wonder how you'd accomplish that without it looking like ass |
| 01:51 | <term> | I need to finish all of these other projects so I can start writing code after work again |
| 01:51 | <D-side> | as theres no cursor, you'd want to put it somewhere noticable, but not obscenely glaring. |
| 01:51 | <term> | D-side: upper-right hand corner. |
| 01:51 | <tmk> | or lower-left |
| 01:51 | <term> | most things do the former |
| 01:51 | <D-side> | term: hard to say that though. it'd depend on the theme and the elements within it. |
| 01:52 | <D-side> | hm. |
| 01:52 | <term> | D-side: I suppose. |
| 01:52 | <D-side> | possibly a fading effect on the "button" pressed? |
| 01:52 | <D-side> | lightly pulsing maybe |
| 01:52 | <tmk> | that's easy i think |
| 01:52 | <tmk> | sounds good! make it so |
| 01:52 | <D-side> | should be fairly easy to implement |
| 01:52 | <tmk> | :P |
| 01:52 | <D-side> | hah! |
| 01:52 | <D-side> | i wish i could code. :) |
| 01:52 | <D-side> | if i could, i'd have the voicemodem integration going, with CID and the works. :) |
| 01:53 | | * Chiphead loves it when non-codes say "uit should ne easy" :P |
| 01:53 | <D-side> | a call comes in, livetv or recording pauses, osd CID info pops up.. option to pick it up and talk through a mic, like a speakerphone.. :) |
| 01:53 | <D-side> | Chiphead: hey THAT idea doesnt seem so hard to me. |
| 01:53 | <ChaosExiguum> | dont forget the usb coffie pot |
| 01:53 | <ChaosExiguum> | and firewire kitchen sink |
| 01:54 | <term> | programming is easy |
| 01:54 | <Chiphead> | D-side, the code it :) |
| 01:54 | <D-side> | oh shut up. my ideas arent THAT asinine. |
| 01:54 | <term> | software engineering is a pain in the ass. |
| 01:54 | <D-side> | the OSD irc client... well thats ridiculous. |
| 01:54 | <tmk> | i was entertained. please proceed |
| 01:54 | <ChaosExiguum> | :o) |
| 01:54 | <D-side> | an email notification is fairly stupid too though. |
| 01:55 | <D-side> | anyone who has to pause tv to find out what email the got is... that person needs an intervention. |
| 01:55 | <term> | I see the spammers are working to continue my 100+ spams/day count |
| 01:55 | <tmk> | is mythlcd for the mini lcd-displays |
| 01:55 | <tmk> | like 2line x 16char |
| 01:55 | <term> | D-side: no, that person needs a second monitor. :) |
| 01:55 | <Chiphead> | mikegrb has emil notification |
| 01:56 | <Captain_Murdoch> | tmk, yeah, I think it uses lcdproc |
| 01:56 | <term> | wow, I caught up on most of my email today. |
| 01:56 | <term> | scary. |
| 01:58 | <D-side> | i think i really like the new visor osd |
| 01:58 | <D-side> | shame it doesnt look so hot on high res displays. |
| 01:58 | <term> | the fonts on all of those drive me nuts. |
| 01:58 | <term> | they ignore the global settings :( |
| 01:58 | <D-side> | so change them ffs |
| 01:58 | <term> | it's the font size. |
| 01:58 | <term> | I'll have to look into it another time. |
| 01:58 | <D-side> | again, change them |
| 01:59 | <D-side> | get into the ui's xml file and change it. |
| 01:59 | <term> | I'll have to setup bootsplash too. |
| 01:59 | <D-side> | i couldnt get that working on tv out. |
| 01:59 | <D-side> | no problem on the monitor, but not tv out. odd stuff. |
| 01:59 | <term> | shouldn't make a different |
| 01:59 | <term> | er difference |
| 01:59 | <D-side> | yeah tell me aout it |
| 01:59 | <D-side> | about even. |
| 01:59 | <term> | odd. |
| 02:00 | <D-side> | my only problem with bootsplash type stuff is the fact that it can never be seamless. |
| 02:00 | <D-side> | bootsplash goes, then display changes to xdm, then an X session pops up, yadda yadda. |
| 02:00 | <term> | hm why is this package masked |
| 02:00 | <D-side> | which one? |
| 02:00 | <term> | * media-gfx/bootsplash [ Masked ] |
| 02:00 | <term> | Latest version available: 0.6-r2 |
| 02:00 | <D-side> | shrug. |
| 02:01 | <term> | changing ACCEPTED_KEYWORDS didn't fix it. |
| 02:01 | <D-side> | just specify the category and full ebuild filename and it'll go |
| 02:01 | <D-side> | like emerge media-gfx/bootsplash-0.6-r2.ebuild |
| 02:01 | <term> | hm |
| 02:02 | <term> | might just be pics. |
| 02:02 | <term> | donno if it includes the splash program. |
| 02:02 | <term> | ah well, let's find out |
| 02:03 | <term> | might need libmng |
| 02:03 | <D-side> | i'm not sure there IS a splash program. |
| 02:03 | <D-side> | yeah it does |
| 02:03 | <D-side> | IF you plan on using the animated status display |
| 02:03 | <term> | well, there definately is a splash program, just donno if it's in there. |
| 02:04 | <term> | I mean, I have this working on my workstation |
| 02:04 | <term> | complete with filling in the progress bar. |
| 02:04 | <D-side> | so, can you think of any ways to make it a seamless transition from bootsplash to mythfrontend? |
| 02:04 | <term> | I wrote a script to do it. :) |
| 02:04 | <term> | not in my case, I have that lovely nvidia logo inbetween. |
| 02:04 | <D-side> | term: oh yeah? i'd like to see that sometime. |
| 02:04 | <D-side> | term: er, turn it off. |
| 02:04 | <term> | you won't if I convert to gentoo :) |
| 02:04 | <term> | I can turn it off? |
| 02:05 | <D-side> | OF COURSE |
| 02:05 | <term> | I figured I didn't get a choise |
| 02:05 | <term> | er choice |
| 02:05 | <term> | interesting. |
| 02:05 | <D-side> | Option "NoLogo" "True" |
| 02:05 | <D-side> | device section |
| 02:06 | <term> | needed ~x86 and libmng. |
| 02:06 | <term> | interesting |
| 02:06 | <D-side> | call me lame, but i think a frontend in FB would be dynamite. |
| 02:06 | <tmk> | it's ok |
| 02:06 | <tmk> | you should be able to link myth against qt/embedded |
| 02:06 | <tmk> | and get just that |
| 02:07 | <D-side> | less resources... easier to setup |
| 02:07 | <tmk> | no X required :) |
| 02:07 | <term> | /sbin/splash |
| 02:07 | <D-side> | it'd also make it way easier to have startup "look pretty" |
| 02:07 | <term> | yep, bootsplash has the splash program. |
| 02:07 | <term> | and I kept the instructions on my workstation. ;) |
| 02:08 | <D-side> | especially with new motherboards that allow you do dump a splash image in bios. |
| 02:08 | <tmk> | can it animate and such? |
| 02:08 | <D-side> | bootsplash can, sure. |
| 02:08 | <tmk> | hmm |
| 02:08 | <term> | I haven't tried the animation, beyond a progress bar. |
| 02:08 | <tmk> | do you just have it update the image at different places in /etc/rc.d? |
| 02:08 | <tmk> | ie S10image10percent |
| 02:08 | <o_cee> | i'm using bootsplash |
| 02:09 | <tmk> | ie S20image20percent |
| 02:09 | <tmk> | etc |
| 02:09 | <D-side> | i dont know to be honest. |
| 02:09 | <o_cee> | something like that |
| 02:09 | <D-side> | i've never tried. |
| 02:09 | <o_cee> | look att www.bootsplash.org |
| 02:09 | <term> | I wrote an rc script that gets called as stuff completes. |
| 02:09 | <term> | I figured out how much to increment it each pass so it looks right. |
| 02:09 | <D-side> | term: well fix it to work in gentoo. :) |
| 02:09 | <term> | D-side: I probably will |
| 02:09 | <o_cee> | gentoo works like a charm |
| 02:09 | <term> | it's a simple script. |
| 02:09 | <term> | just messy math to do in bash shell :) |
| 02:10 | <o_cee> | i didn't write anything to get it going |
| 02:10 | <D-side> | i'd love to have a bios splash screen, then dump directly to a lilo/grub splash, then bootsplash, then mythfrontend immediately. |
| 02:10 | <D-side> | without any stuttering or hiccups. |
| 02:10 | <o_cee> | after the bootasplash i see the console for a couple of seconds |
| 02:10 | <o_cee> | but i think that can be turned off.. but then you'll have the bootsplash when you go to a console i think.. |
| 02:10 | <o_cee> | didn't bother |
| 02:11 | <term> | I haven't looked into a bios splash screen. |
| 02:11 | <D-side> | my nforce board does it. |
| 02:11 | <term> | hm |
| 02:11 | <term> | then maybe mine does too. |
| 02:11 | <D-side> | probably. |
| 02:12 | <D-side> | i'd likely have it display the mythtv logo (bios i mean), then mirrored backgrounds on the lilo/grub splash screens and bootsplash's. |
| 02:12 | <term> | wow that's some insane math. |
| 02:12 | <o_cee> | just set 0 secs on grub? |
| 02:13 | <D-side> | o_cee: i dont like that concept. :) |
| 02:13 | <D-side> | eh. |
| 02:13 | <D-side> | i think i retract that statement |
| 02:13 | <D-side> | its not like i cant load grub from a floppy, in times of dire emergency |
| 02:13 | <D-side> | hell, for that matter, usb keychain |
| 02:13 | <term> | /usr/local/bin/progress $(($bs_x+$bsdiff)) $(($bs_y+$bsdiff)) $(($bsvar-($bsdiff*2)+2)) $(($bs_h-($bsdiff*2))) $bscol |
| 02:13 | <term> | whee :) |
| 02:14 | <term> | hm, the bootsplash package didn't install the progress program |
| 02:15 | <o_cee> | hmm, if you're using a box only for myth it's silly to have grub show up |
| 02:15 | <term> | weird, the tarball came with it. |
| 02:16 | <o_cee> | you need other patches for the progressbar in gentoo |
| 02:16 | <D-side> | know which ones? |
| 02:16 | <o_cee> | of course |
| 02:16 | <D-side> | well share with the group |
| 02:16 | <o_cee> | serach bugs.gentoo.com |
| 02:16 | <o_cee> | for progress bar |
| 02:17 | <o_cee> | no idea why it hasn't been merged |
| 02:17 | <term> | hm, this guy's site doesn't show the really nice bootsplash logo I'm using. |
| 02:17 | <term> | the one with the penguin on the black background with the "__ Linux" on it (where __ is the distribution) |
| 02:18 | <term> | aha, it's called blacktux. |
| 02:20 | <D-side> | well, i was a jackass an hour ago for being up this late. now i'm doubly so. laters. |
| 02:20 | -!- | D-side is now known as D-sleep |
| 02:21 | <D-sleep> | term: let me know how that progresses. i'm interested. |
| 02:21 | <D-sleep> | and 'night. |
| 02:22 | <term> | hm, someone ported it to 2.6. |
| 02:23 | <term> | D-sleep: it'll be a few days, since it's one of the last things I'll do the machine. |
| 02:23 | <term> | sleep sounds good. |
| 02:23 | <term> | nite all. |
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| 07:46 | <bobbyd> | hi |
| 07:46 | <marc> | good morning |
| 07:47 | <bobbyd> | does anyone know if anyone's thought about interactive content from dvb? or even getting the program guide from the dvb data like VDR does? |
| 07:47 | <bobbyd> | or does noone that uses mythtv care about dvb? ;) |
| 07:47 | <marc> | not me... sorry. |
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| 08:58 | <bobbyd> | do the origional myth developers hang out here? |
| 09:03 | <mikegrb> | on occasion |
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| 09:39 | <kvandivo> | Captain_Murdoch: I got the m179 working last night about 1.. err.. this morning, rather |
| 09:39 | <kvandivo> | Captain_Murdoch: after more reboots that I care to count |
| 09:40 | <kvandivo> | I ended up having to go with cvs from 11/01/03. I absolutely couldn't get anything newer than that to work. As soon as i cat'd dev/video the machine would hang.. without exception |
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| 11:34 | <mikegrb> | find / -name \*yourbase\* -exec chown us:us {} \; |
| 11:34 | <mikegrb> | er |
| 11:36 | <Chiphead> | lol |
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| 11:49 | | * thor_ is still scratching his head trying to figure out what mikegrb was doing ... |
| 11:50 | <mikegrb> | all your base our belong to us |
| 11:50 | <thor_> | all your base are belong to us.us |
| 11:50 | <mikegrb> | well groups and owner permissions |
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| 16:19 | <o_cee> | blah blah blah |
| 16:20 | <bline> | blah |
| 16:21 | <sfr> | blaha! |
| 16:24 | <kvandivo> | rabble rabble |
| 16:26 | <sfr> | buh |
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| 16:56 | <sfr> | 'mpeg-2 playback was rather heavily affected by this' that should have been warning enough. anyway, mythfrontend grabs memory like hell ~2MB/sec. |
| 16:57 | <dopez> | hm, i had the backend crash with a out-of-memory error today, not sure why tho, its running a few hours now |
| 16:58 | <thor_> | balapalooza |
| 16:58 | <sfr> | googi googi dooo |
| 16:58 | <kvandivo> | rabble rabble |
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| 16:59 | <bobbyd> | hi |
| 16:59 | <bobbyd> | any dvb-t users here? |
| 16:59 | <sfr> | giggeli giggela |
| 16:59 | <kvandivo> | why do i think of the movie Grease everytime i see bobbyd log in or out? |
| 17:01 | <mikegrb> | heh |
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| 17:07 | <sfr> | how can i do a cvs checkout of mythtv just before the last commit? |
| 17:08 | <kvandivo> | cvs update -D timespec |
| 17:09 | <kvandivo> | timespec is very versatile |
| 17:12 | <kvandivo> | like, for instance, i think you can say something like -D 3 hours ago |
| 17:13 | <kvandivo> | the man page discusses it in detail |
| 17:13 | <sfr> | yes, just reading the manpage |
| 17:13 | <kvandivo> | :) |
| 17:13 | <kvandivo> | note that once you do that your tree will be tagged with that date |
| 17:13 | <kvandivo> | and you'll want to remove that tag to get newer updates |
| 17:16 | <sfr> | so cvs really means more than just 'cp -rp cvshost:repository ./' :) |
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| 17:16 | <kvandivo> | oh, absolutely. cvs rocks |
| 17:16 | <mikegrb> | much more :D |
| 17:16 | <kvandivo> | it has a couple of pitfalls, but, all things considered, it rocks |
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| 17:17 | <mikegrb> | my voicemail service for home phone changed, now I get an email with caller id and wav attatched |
| 17:17 | <mikegrb> | now to figure out what spiffyness to make it do |
| 17:17 | <o_cee> | wow, 1300 unread mails in mythtv-users.. heh. "Mark all as read" |
| 17:18 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 17:18 | <kvandivo> | if you do that we'll pelt you mercilessly when you ask questions that have been answered already |
| 17:18 | <mikegrb> | does mutt have a kill thread option? so I don't see any more |
| 17:18 | <kvandivo> | you mean like, delete entire thread? |
| 17:18 | <sfr> | o_cee: thats fine if instead you keep working on that theme. |
| 17:18 | <kvandivo> | ^D |
| 17:19 | <o_cee> | sfr: ah sheit. yeah :) i moved some things so now i gotta move more things.. been kinda busy, hope i'll get a real preview thingie soon |
| 17:19 | <mikegrb> | well delete the entire thread and remember it so I don't see it again |
| 17:19 | <mikegrb> | the office mail system has that, quite spiffy |
| 17:19 | <o_cee> | and i'm pissed at qtlook.txt |
| 17:20 | <sfr> | mikegrb: i didn't know outlook could do that |
| 17:20 | <mikegrb> | no |
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| 17:20 | <o_cee> | hard to get it right, guess icould release something and someone would make suggestions ;) |
| 17:20 | <mikegrb> | sfr: mail system built into "CHCS" comprehensive health computing system... runs on vms |
| 17:21 | <o_cee> | g'night |
| 17:21 | <kvandivo> | ahh, the model of a modern major mail system |
| 17:21 | <mikegrb> | well I dunno if I'd go that far |
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| 17:50 | <bobbyd> | anyone here use dvb? |
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| 18:31 | <kvandivo> | i have to say that i think today has been the slowest weekday on #mythtv since I started tracking it |
| 18:32 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 18:32 | | * mikegrb needs to set the log analyzer stat thing up again on the new server |
| 18:33 | <kvandivo> | if you wrote the code for that thing, why don't you make it sort in reverse order, so that you don't have scroll down 15 pages to get to the latest logs |
| 18:34 | <mikegrb> | for the dates? |
| 18:34 | <mikegrb> | oh |
| 18:34 | <mikegrb> | the search? |
| 18:34 | <kvandivo> | umm.. ya.. i don't remember exactly which screen, but on one of them you have scroll way down and i find myself wishing it was sorted the opposite of what it is |
| 18:34 | <kvandivo> | let me check |
| 18:35 | <kvandivo> | index.pl?chan=mythtv&year=2003 |
| 18:35 | <mikegrb> | okay |
| 18:35 | <mikegrb> | the search results page should be that way too |
| 18:36 | <kvandivo> | haven't used search, to be honest |
| 18:36 | <mikegrb> | most likely you want the most recent results |
| 18:36 | <mikegrb> | it used to display a calendar |
| 18:36 | <mikegrb> | with clickable dates |
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| 18:39 | <mikegrb> | got the dates reversed now |
| 18:39 | <kvandivo> | wow.. that was quick. :) |
| 18:39 | <mikegrb> | ;) |
| 18:39 | <kvandivo> | at mikeandheidi? |
| 18:39 | <kvandivo> | i'm not seeing it |
| 18:39 | <mikegrb> | well |
| 18:39 | <mikegrb> | thegrebs.com/irc |
| 18:39 | <mikegrb> | sorry |
| 18:40 | <mikegrb> | heh new domain |
| 18:40 | | * kvandivo mutters about being up to three now. |
| 18:40 | <mikegrb> | the other one is a dif virtual host in apache |
| 18:40 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 18:40 | <mikegrb> | I have four actually |
| 18:40 | <mikegrb> | this will be the final url |
| 18:40 | <kvandivo> | nice.. much more usable, now.. |
| 18:40 | <kvandivo> | well, more convenient, anyway |
| 18:40 | <mikegrb> | I felt michalandheidi.net is too long |
| 18:41 | <mikegrb> | right |
| 18:42 | <mikegrb> | search results may take me a moment longer |
| 18:42 | <mikegrb> | gotta check some perl syntax |
| 18:42 | <kvandivo> | that's a handy thing to have, btw.. if I can make another request (with more baggage) start doing ivtv-dev |
| 18:43 | <rkulagow> | chutt: anyone reporting mythfrontend consuming _huge_ amounts of memory when pausing a previously recorded PVR-250 program? (this is with CVS) load average was 13, kswapd was taking up all of the CPU. killall mythfrontend brought stuff back to normal. mythfrontend was at 833MB when I finally killed it. |
| 18:43 | | * kvandivo shudders at the though of mythfrontend taking up 800 megs on his little xbox. |
| 18:43 | <mikegrb> | lol |
| 18:44 | <mikegrb> | kvandivo: no that is fine lemme add it |
| 18:47 | <bobbyd> | does anyone know how to add channels for a dvb card? |
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| 18:47 | <mikegrb> | kvandivo: done |
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| 18:48 | <kvandivo> | cool. that will be handy |
| 18:48 | <mikegrb> | :) |
| 18:50 | <Chiphead> | is there anything I can add to the append line in linuxboot.cfg to have video come up with bpp=32 ? |
| 18:51 | <Chiphead> | it seems to default to 8 |
| 18:51 | <Chiphead> | oops sry wrong window |
| 18:52 | <rkulagow> | chutt: mythfrontend console : 16:40 - started watching Nova. 1705: "prebuffering pause" and then 17:05:30 seconds later it has "waited too long for decoder to pause". i've just started and paused again while watching top to see what happens. |
| 18:52 | <mikegrb> | Chiphead: ;) |
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| 18:59 | <[DJ]HaCK> | anything special I should know for the 0.11 to 0.12 transition ? just plug&pray ? |
| 19:02 | <mikegrb> | read the upgrading instructions |
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| 19:02 | <[DJ]HaCK> | UPGRADING FROM RELEASE 0.11 Database updates are now done automatically. |
| 19:02 | <[DJ]HaCK> | that's it ? |
| 19:03 | <flyer> | Yep. |
| 19:04 | <[DJ]HaCK> | pretty smooth for a major update mmm |
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| 19:06 | <mikegrb> | :) |
| 19:06 | <mikegrb> | check your profiles afterwords though |
| 19:07 | <mikegrb> | I believe there were some changes |
| 19:07 | <mikegrb> | I think that was when the changes were |
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| 19:23 | <rkulagow> | That's not good: Turns out that it's not related to pausing, but watching? |
| 19:23 | <rkulagow> | 1953 root 16 0 620 108 0 R 8.4 0.0 0:09.67 nmbd |
| 19:23 | <rkulagow> | 2917 mythtv 20 0 688m 252m 156 R 8.4 53.7 0:08.65 mythbackend |
| 19:23 | <rkulagow> | 2648 mysql 14 0 3216 948 0 R 8.2 0.2 0:24.52 mysqld |
| 19:23 | <rkulagow> | 2563 mythtv 14 0 2808 584 0 R 8.1 0.1 0:03.83 kdeinit |
| 19:23 | <rkulagow> | 2916 mythtv 19 0 688m 252m 156 R 7.8 53.7 0:07.29 mythbackend |
| 19:23 | <rkulagow> | 2936 mythtv 19 0 164m 155m 440 R 7.6 33.0 0:40.38 mythfrontend |
| 19:23 | <rkulagow> | 2937 mythtv 19 0 164m 155m 328 R 6.6 33.0 0:05.11 mythfrontend |
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| 19:51 | <D-side> | anyone want to help me fit a fully featured mythfrontend in 298mb? :) |
| 19:52 | <mikegrb> | rm -rf / |
| 19:52 | <mikegrb> | oh |
| 19:52 | <mikegrb> | full featued |
| 19:52 | <Chiphead> | :() |
| 19:52 | <mikegrb> | er full featured |
| 19:52 | <mikegrb> | Chiphead is working on fb output support |
| 19:52 | <mikegrb> | so you can cut out x |
| 19:52 | <D-side> | oh? |
| 19:52 | <D-side> | thats precisely what i wanted to hear. |
| 19:52 | <Chiphead> | yeah but its going slow |
| 19:53 | <D-side> | i'll test anything youdo |
| 19:53 | <mikegrb> | I believe he said it works right now if you have a 350 |
| 19:53 | <Chiphead> | I dont understand how it all works |
| 19:53 | <D-side> | whats it based on, sid? |
| 19:53 | <btatton> | How does myth run on a 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:53 | <Chiphead> | yes should work for any of the fb hw players |
| 19:53 | <mikegrb> | no just the myth code |
| 19:53 | <Chiphead> | cle and 350 |
| 19:53 | <mikegrb> | not a full distro |
| 19:53 | <D-side> | ah. |
| 19:54 | <D-side> | basically i want an EPIA board, and just run it off a microdrive. |
| 19:54 | <mikegrb> | well then get a pvr-350 :) |
| 19:54 | <D-side> | eh, if i had a 350 i'd want to put it in the backend. |
| 19:55 | <mikegrb> | heh |
| 19:55 | <D-side> | ever use the via mpeg decoding? |
| 19:55 | <mikegrb> | oh you sead epia |
| 19:55 | <mikegrb> | er said |
| 19:55 | <mikegrb> | with the cle hw decoder |
| 19:55 | <D-side> | thats what i'm hoping for anyway. |
| 19:55 | <Chiphead> | one thing you can do is edit the programs/programs.pro to only build mythepg mythprogfind mythtv mythfrontend |
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| 19:55 | <D-side> | i'm not going for looks, i'm going for "this is under the couch where no one will see it" |
| 19:56 | <D-side> | Chiphead: that sounds simple enough |
| 19:56 | <Chiphead> | but X is your big space hog |
| 19:56 | <D-side> | yeah. the thought of an FB based setup makes me happy. |
| 19:57 | <D-side> | in that case, it would be cake to get it going in 300mb. |
| 19:58 | <Chiphead> | yeah... if you have a hwfb that is current supported you can build the current cvs with qt/e |
| 19:58 | <D-side> | oh? |
| 19:58 | <Chiphead> | as long as myth ises you hwfb for playback the gui will run under fb |
| 19:58 | <D-side> | nvidia cards would fall into that category, no? |
| 19:58 | <Chiphead> | i dont think so |
| 19:59 | <Chiphead> | 350 is the only one I know for sure |
| 19:59 | <D-side> | oh i see what you're saying. |
| 19:59 | <D-side> | those freestyle's are the same as the 350, just w/o IR, right? |
| 19:59 | <D-side> | at least thats what i got out of yesterdays similar conversation |
| 19:59 | <Chiphead> | no same as 250 |
| 19:59 | <mikegrb> | the nvideo cards are XVmc |
| 20:00 | <mikegrb> | so I don't think they work outside of x |
| 20:00 | <Chiphead> | does the via use hwfb? |
| 20:01 | <Chiphead> | i dont think the via code is x dependant |
| 20:01 | <Chiphead> | would have to ask chutt |
| 20:02 | <D-side> | i'm going to try debootstrap'ing sid. not sure if that even works. |
| 20:02 | <btatton> | Are any of you guys using myth on a 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:02 | <Chiphead> | nope |
| 20:03 | <btatton> | Good enough then.. :-) |
| 20:03 | | * Chiphead is using 2.4.22 |
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| 20:03 | | * btatton is too |
| 20:04 | <btatton> | I can't recomile it however in FC1!! ugghh |
| 20:04 | | * Chiphead had hard enough time getting ivtv to work in 2.4.22 and will not tempt fate |
| 20:06 | <btatton> | LOL I have had 0 issues with either of my machines. Working out of the box, but on my frontend I am attempting to add lirc support and need modular support in the kernel and it will not build |
| 20:07 | <Chiphead> | Oh the system has worked great... it was just getting the ivtv compiled and installed that was a bitch... |
| 20:07 | <Chiphead> | very little doccumentation for it |
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| 20:25 | <fulbert> | anyone else had issues with ivtv CVS recording corrupt video? |
| 20:32 | <Chiphead> | nope |
| 20:32 | <Chiphead> | just upgraded last night to current and have 5 hours recorded |
| 20:32 | <fulbert> | I had been using drivers circa ~08/15/03 until 2 nights ago when I built from the CVS tarball on the website, now I get a lot of corruption in my video. |
| 20:32 | <fulbert> | I get tons of stuff on the debug that looks like first mb_incr damaged, skiped MB in I frame at 1 28, ac-tex damaged at 0 29, concealing errors |
| 20:33 | <Chiphead> | I grabed streight from the cvs lastnight and upgraded was 8/15 as well and all is good |
| 20:33 | <fulbert> | I have a dual pvr250 setup, switching back to the old ones works fine. |
| 20:33 | <Chiphead> | I just have a single |
| 20:33 | <fulbert> | did you use the tarball or cvs from server? |
| 20:33 | <Chiphead> | cvs server |
| 20:33 | <fulbert> | I used tarball, maybe try the server in a few. |
| 20:34 | <fulbert> | options ivtv num_devices=2 debug=1 mpg_buffers=60 - is what I have in the modules conf, that still applies to newer ones? |
| 20:34 | <Chiphead> | Umm I got an error with the debiug flag had to take it otu |
| 20:34 | <[DJ]HaCK> | mmm crap ... no more video in live tv :\ I shouldn't have fixed the unbroken ! |
| 20:36 | <fulbert> | yeah, I get a warning about the debug also, but it seems harmless, it passes and loads the module anyhow |
| 20:42 | <[DJ]HaCK> | is there a file or doc somewhere that says what key is mapped to what action in livetv/epg ? |
| 20:49 | <Captain_Murdoch> | keys.txt |
| 20:52 | <[DJ]HaCK> | thanks |
| 20:52 | <mikegrb> | no shit Captain_Murdoch? |
| 20:52 | <[DJ]HaCK> | I didn't noticed it :\ |
| 20:52 | | * mikegrb neither |
| 20:53 | <mikegrb> | sorry just getting agrivated by some stupid people elsewhere |
| 20:53 | <mikegrb> | took me a while to find it |
| 20:53 | <mikegrb> | I think I may have asked, I had looked at it before and remembered there was a list, couldn't remember where I found it |
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| 20:56 | <D-side> | so for a dist-upgrade, do i want to specify sid or unstable? |
| 20:56 | <[DJ]HaCK> | is there a goto channel key for the EPG ? |
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| 20:57 | <[DJ]HaCK> | there isn't one in the EPG section of keys.txt :\ I hope there's an undocumented way |
| 20:58 | <[DJ]HaCK> | scrolling about 500 channels takes a long time (because the server with the mysql db is sloowwww) |
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| 21:09 | <Chiphead> | I think 1 and 3 are pgup and pgdn not goto but helps |
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| 21:10 | <[DJ]HaCK> | yep , it'll have to do |
| 21:10 | <Chiphead> | :) |
| 21:11 | <[DJ]HaCK> | mmm , I updated to .12 , now I go to live tv mode , but no video or sound :\ , it says Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV and the screen goes black , esc still works but I can't pause or rewind or change channel (so it's not just recording black) , the oss sound works too |
| 21:11 | <Chiphead> | set your channels to display hightr and you can page quicker |
| 21:11 | <Chiphead> | Im running CVS and I get recorded busy even when its not :) |
| 21:12 | <Chiphead> | but as I recall 0.12 live tv worked for me |
| 21:12 | <[DJ]HaCK> | I think if I just add some ram in the mysql server it's going to give a very good boost (it only got 64mb and it's also a nfs ) |
| 21:13 | <[DJ]HaCK> | yeah , it's probably just a glitch .. I'll try the windows way of fixing problems |
| 21:14 | <D-side> | hm. |
| 21:14 | <D-side> | debootstrap + woody, dist-upgrading to sid.. its going to be under 300mb. |
| 21:17 | <[DJ]HaCK> | well , I'll be damned |
| 21:17 | <[DJ]HaCK> | the windows way worked |
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| 21:52 | <[DJ]HaCK> | mm something in mythtv doesn't like to encode or playback fade to blacks |
| 21:56 | <bbeattie_> | does mythtv use the transcode program to do it's transcoding? |
| 22:04 | <bbeattie_> | I'm just looking for a command line argument to do a test mythtranscode (check time to transcode a show) |
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| 22:06 | <bbeattie_> | but I don't have mythtv fully installed on the system I need to do the test on. is there a way to just use mythtv to transcode a file from one format to another? |
| 22:18 | <Chiphead> | ping chutt |
| 22:20 | <thor_> | Chiphead, something I can help with (?) ... |
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| 22:23 | <Chiphead> | I was wondering how old of a ivtv snapshot I can use with current myth cvs |
| 22:23 | <cmorgan> | 3110XX |
| 22:23 | <cmorgan> | i think thats when the ioctls were fixed |
| 22:24 | <Chiphead> | current ivtv is not working right. i have to unload and reload the driver between recordings or I get no data |
| 22:24 | <cmorgan> | yeah |
| 22:24 | <cmorgan> | any error messages in /var/log/messages? |
| 22:24 | <Chiphead> | no myth thinks it is recording and nothing fron ivtv |
| 22:25 | <cmorgan> | ahh |
| 22:25 | <thor_> | don't really know ... I know mine are old (like 3 weeks), but my myth is about 4-5 days old as well |
| 22:25 | <Chiphead> | take that back dmesg has a gazillion ivtv: silently returning |
| 22:25 | <cmorgan> | ahh |
| 22:26 | <cmorgan> | appears to be some dma overflow error |
| 22:26 | <Chiphead> | I can cat the video several times w/o issue |
| 22:26 | <cmorgan> | what is the first error msg? |
| 22:27 | <fulbert> | I've got problems with the current ivtv, corrupt video, so I am back to using ivtvi from ~Aug 15, with myth current, and it's working |
| 22:27 | <cmorgan> | fulbert: cvs requires 31st or later drivers |
| 22:27 | <Chiphead> | ivtv: DMA buffer DeQueue failed! got 1, want 1 shows up after a dozen or so returning silently |
| 22:27 | <cmorgan> | at least i think it does |
| 22:28 | <fulbert> | ? my CVS is from maybe 2-3 days ago. |
| 22:28 | <cmorgan> | ahh |
| 22:28 | <thor_> | I've got ivtv from Sept. 10, myth is about 4 days old |
| 22:28 | <cmorgan> | that might make sense too, that was prior to the ioctl changes |
| 22:28 | <thor_> | 250 only, no 350 stuff |
| 22:28 | <Chiphead> | so you think I can roll back to 10-31? |
| 22:28 | <fulbert> | when I use the ivtv current, I get badly corrupt video. |
| 22:28 | <fulbert> | I have a dual 250 setup |
| 22:28 | <cmorgan> | Chiphead: you can roll back to either version that fulbert or thor are suggesting |
| 22:29 | <Chiphead> | 9-10 ok I was running 8-15 and had problems with the current myth |
| 22:29 | <cmorgan> | anyone here that is familar with the ivtv source? |
| 22:29 | <Chiphead> | Ok will try that... I upgraded cause the 8-15 was giving endless out of buffer errors while recording |
| 22:29 | <fulbert> | invalid mb type in B Frame at 7 0, ac-tex damaged at 22 1, slice missmatch, invalid cbp at 36 27, concealing errors, I get tons of that from ivtv debug messages |
| 22:29 | <pmowry> | Latest ivtv CVS segfaults for me, I'm using decoder-alpha-091103A.tar.gz |
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| 22:30 | <pmowry> | for a PVR-350 |
| 22:30 | <thor_> | I get a gazillion of these: ivtv: Not enough free buffers, stream 0 |
| 22:30 | <cmorgan> | yeah |
| 22:30 | <cmorgan> | heh |
| 22:30 | <thor_> | but things are pretty stable |
| 22:30 | <fulbert> | I sometimes see that with my older driver, but it does not cause any video problems, and the system is stable also. |
| 22:30 | <Chiphead> | yeah chutt said thats cause of old ivtv thats why I upgraded |
| 22:30 | <cmorgan> | i get mostly "timed out waiting for firmware" |
| 22:31 | <thor_> | cmorgam, tmk will probably be on later, no-one is more familiar with it :-) |
| 22:31 | <Chiphead> | thor_, those errors just hammer my hd... sounds like a machinegun durring recordings |
| 22:31 | <thor_> | hmmm |
| 22:31 | <thor_> | works fine here |
| 22:31 | <fulbert> | try upping the buffers? |
| 22:31 | <Chiphead> | yep to 99 |
| 22:31 | <thor_> | not even aware of them unless I do a dmesg |
| 22:32 | <cmorgan> | thor_: apparently none here is familiar with it ;-) heh |
| 22:32 | <thor_> | yup |
| 22:32 | <Chiphead> | neither was I till sometime after 0.12 |
| 22:32 | <fulbert> | I have two 250s in the system and buffers=60 and I don't get that error except once or twice a day or so |
| 22:32 | <pmowry> | Who is ijr? ogg.c cant find header files in todays cvs. |
| 22:32 | <Chiphead> | but that was 8-15 ivtv Ill try the 9-10 |
| 22:33 | <Chiphead> | ijr=isaac the author |
| 22:33 | <pmowry> | oh, ok |
| 22:33 | <thor_> | pmowry, locate ogg.c |
| 22:34 | <pmowry> | its in /opt/mythtv/mythtv/libs/libavformat |
| 22:34 | <pmowry> | ogg.c:12:21: ogg/ogg.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:34 | <pmowry> | ogg.c:13:30: vorbis/vorbisenc.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:35 | <pmowry> | I'm looking for those files now |
| 22:35 | <thor_> | you probably need libogg and libvorbis installed (developer versions if you're using some kind of package) |
| 22:35 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: is there any documentaiton on mfd so I can read about what it is, and what it's suppost to do? (Curiousity) |
| 22:36 | <thor_> | there are some README's |
| 22:36 | <thor_> | which do actually contain a bit of info |
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| 22:36 | <thor_> | and the code is mostly well documented |
| 22:40 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: readme doesn't even say what mfd stands for.. my question is, what is mfd? |
| 22:40 | <thor_> | ah |
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| 22:40 | <bbeattie_> | some sort of control system? |
| 22:40 | <thor_> | (trying to think of a clever answer) |
| 22:40 | <thor_> | myth friggin' daemon |
| 22:41 | <thor_> | hehe |
| 22:41 | <bbeattie_> | myth frontend daemon was my guess, |
| 22:41 | <thor_> | yup |
| 22:41 | <bbeattie_> | what is the goal of mfd? |
| 22:41 | <thor_> | headless core that GUI clients can talk to |
| 22:41 | <pmowry> | I see in the commits that ogg.c is a new file added at 6:13 today. I'll track them down. |
| 22:42 | <thor_> | that offers services (audio, video content, etc.) |
| 22:42 | <thor_> | pmowry, install libogg and libvorbis |
| 22:43 | <thor_> | bbeattie, if you run two mfd's now (current cvs) on two different machines, they'll discover each other |
| 22:43 | <thor_> | (no configuration) |
| 22:43 | <thor_> | soon either will be able to access the other's content |
| 22:44 | <thor_> | so plugging in myth boxes becomes a trivial exercise |
| 22:44 | <thor_> | also, a GUI client can hop around to control any myth box on your network very easily |
| 22:45 | <thor_> | ... that's the general drift of things ... |
| 22:45 | <bbeattie_> | hmm, I had the idea of having two clients. one client to do control, the other that displays/manipulates data. Then there would be sessions. a user loads a frontend for a pc, it loads a control client and then a meta client that knows what services that device can handle (video+audio+weather, etc for a pc, but maybe only audio for some, or video for others, etc) a user would create a session and if that person went into another room |
| 22:45 | <bbeattie_> | hey could connect to that session and be able to data at both places, (or change locations). You could also have several sessions at once, all run by a backend myth box (ie, a home media server with clients all over, some just displaying data (computer+tv) and some for control only (pda) but you could control sessions.. (does this make any sense)... Does mfd move in this direction? |
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| 22:45 | <bline> | the final goal is to make my touch screen work |
| 22:45 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: I wrote that without seeing what you had said, but this is an idea I have been thinking about for over a year |
| 22:46 | <thor_> | similar ideas |
| 22:46 | <fulbert> | mmm touch screen |
| 22:46 | <Chiphead> | doh 9-10 errors out on build. doesnt havds the NEW_I2C def |
| 22:46 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: if you wanted to record say 3 shows a once, and scheduled them from one computer, but all three computers had tuner cards, would then communicate to record all three shows without conflict? |
| 22:47 | <bbeattie_> | s/then/they |
| 22:47 | <thor_> | ... well ... haven't really thought about tv scheduling yet .... |
| 22:47 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: it's meta sharing for now though? |
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| 22:47 | <thor_> | and audio playing |
| 22:47 | <thor_> | (cause audio's headless) |
| 22:48 | <thor_> | mfd already does that |
| 22:48 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: what about viewing recorded shows? |
| 22:48 | <thor_> | mfd would know what's available and stream it to you on an http socket |
| 22:48 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: nice. :) |
| 22:48 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: how stable is it currently? |
| 22:48 | <thor_> | very |
| 22:49 | <thor_> | but it doesn't have any clients |
| 22:49 | <thor_> | and it has a *LOT* left to do |
| 22:49 | <thor_> | you can fiddle with it using telent though |
| 22:49 | <thor_> | telnet |
| 22:49 | <thor_> | and it will autostream audio content to anything that understands DAAP (i.e. iTunes) |
| 22:50 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: will mfd be added to mythtv's frontend? or will new clients be made? |
| 22:50 | <fulbert> | could the telnet interface be used to control with a wireless pda then? |
| 22:51 | <thor_> | at some point I'll probably start "adapting" clients, probably mythmusic first |
| 22:51 | <thor_> | fulbert, conveivably |
| 22:51 | <thor_> | conceivably |
| 22:51 | <thor_> | but there's a lot of missing pieces |
| 22:51 | <fulbert> | maybe a zaurus app to send some quick commands |
| 22:51 | <thor_> | yup |
| 22:52 | <thor_> | that's definitely on the agenda |
| 22:52 | <thor_> | but there's no way to ask it for metadata yet |
| 22:52 | <thor_> | so this is still a bit premature |
| 22:53 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: who is working on this besides you? |
| 22:53 | <thor_> | that would be me |
| 22:53 | <fulbert> | cool, I've been wanting to pickup a zaurus, maybe when that get's close it will give me an excuse to play and help develop an interface. |
| 22:53 | <thor_> | and Chutt explains things to me when I do something stupid |
| 22:53 | <fulbert> | it would be a welcome change from the little silver thing ;) |
| 22:54 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: I've seen chutts commit comments ;) |
| 22:54 | <bbeattie_> | he |
| 22:54 | <bbeattie_> | he can be very blunt and harsh but for good reasons, including for a joke |
| 22:55 | <thor_> | bbeattie, you have a WinXP, Mac, or something else around that can run iTunes |
| 22:55 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: do you plan on doing most everything yourself, or are you looking for others to help? |
| 22:56 | <thor_> | running iTunes and firing up an mfd is the best way to get a sense of how useful it could be ... |
| 22:56 | <thor_> | they both see each other and share content |
| 22:56 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: No, I'm going to create a new system just for recording shows (a p3-450 with 3 HDTV cards) and storing content, then I plan to make my current mythbox (amd 2600+) into a dual boot so I can play some bf 1942 and still have it connected to my home theater. |
| 22:56 | <thor_> | no configuration |
| 22:56 | <thor_> | no fiddling |
| 22:56 | <thor_> | just works |
| 22:56 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: so you can just pull files onto your itune directly? |
| 22:56 | <thor_> | help is more than appreciated ... |
| 22:56 | <bbeattie_> | off of the myth system? |
| 22:56 | <thor_> | nope |
| 22:57 | <thor_> | Myth just appears in the iTunes left panel |
| 22:57 | <thor_> | playlists, whatever |
| 22:57 | <thor_> | click on something in iTunes, and it streams over |
| 22:58 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: very nice, so the future would be to adapt ice/shout caste to read from mfd also? or to videolan, or other video streamers? |
| 22:58 | <thor_> | yup |
| 22:58 | <thor_> | quite possibly videolan |
| 22:58 | <thor_> | but I still have a lot of work getting the audio finished and a proper 24/7 backend metadata model |
| 22:59 | <thor_> | (and real work is really busy right now) |
| 23:00 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: in all this sounds great. -- any lucky with mythdvd? (I'd still like to be able to select the correct audio channel rather than have it use the first audio channel, even if I select the second ;) heh |
| 23:02 | <Chiphead> | OMG : You've not seen the last of willy! |
| 23:02 | <Chiphead> | |
| 23:02 | <cmorgan> | heh |
| 23:02 | <Chiphead> | ivtv dmesg |
| 23:02 | <cmorgan> | yeah |
| 23:02 | <cmorgan> | its a great message ;-) |
| 23:02 | <Chiphead> | never seen it before |
| 23:02 | <thor_> | heh |
| 23:03 | <thor_> | bbeatie, odd ... I thought that was working .... it may depend on your version of transcode |
| 23:03 | <cmorgan> | i'd love to find a wav of that line ;-) |
| 23:03 | <thor_> | (mtd is sort of on the back burner as the mfd should supplant it) |
| 23:04 | <Chiphead> | I cant get any older version to compile... get errors in the saa115 |
| 23:04 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: maybe transcode is having issues, I can't select anything but perfect, but transcode is installed and the latest version |
| 23:04 | <thor_> | Chiphead, what kernel source? |
| 23:04 | <Chiphead> | 2.4.22 |
| 23:04 | <Chiphead> | sry |
| 23:04 | <Chiphead> | 2.4.20 |
| 23:04 | <thor_> | hm, me too |
| 23:05 | <Chiphead> | with the lastest I got same error and have to define NEW_I2C but thats not in the older code |
| 23:05 | <thor_> | what's saa115 complaining about |
| 23:05 | <Chiphead> | unknown field `inc_use' specified in initializer |
| 23:06 | <Chiphead> | saa7115.c:68:2: warning: #warning Using temporary hack for missing I2C driver-ID for saa7114 |
| 23:06 | <Chiphead> | saa7115.c:1105: unknown field `inc_use' specified in initializer |
| 23:06 | <Chiphead> | saa7115.c:1105: warning: excess elements in struct initializer |
| 23:06 | <Chiphead> | saa7115.c:1105: warning: (near initialization for `i2c_driver_saa7114') |
| 23:06 | <Chiphead> | saa7115.c:1106: unknown field `dec_use' specified in initializer |
| 23:06 | <Chiphead> | saa7115.c:1106: warning: excess elements in struct initializer |
| 23:06 | <Chiphead> | saa7115.c:1106: warning: (near initialization for `i2c_driver_saa7114') |
| 23:06 | <Chiphead> | make: *** [saa7115.o] Error 1 |
| 23:06 | <thor_> | bbeattie, perfect rips *all* the audio tracks, tell mplayer to use a different one |
| 23:07 | <thor_> | Chiphead .... I dunno ... i2c defined and built in your kernel config ? |
| 23:07 | <Chiphead> | yep |
| 23:07 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: Oh, crap, no wonder it's been 3-5 gigs a movie. Hah, alright, what's the procedure to encode rip just one audio channel? (Does perfect mean it records all video stream on the dvd, ie delete scenes, etc?)? |
| 23:08 | <thor_> | bbeattie, perfect is all of angle 1 of a title (99% of DVD titles have only 1 angle) and all audio tracks |
| 23:08 | <thor_> | if it won't do non-perfect, it may not recognize the format on the disc (what's the mtd.log say?) |
| 23:09 | <thor_> | Chiphead, you copy over the video2 header from utils (I'm grasping at straws here) |
| 23:09 | <Chiphead> | ahh maybe thats it.. Ill compair em |
| 23:10 | <bbeattie_> | 21:26:47: DVD inserted: Finding Nemo |
| 23:10 | <bbeattie_> | 21:26:47: : Title 1 is of type 2 (dvdinput table) |
| 23:10 | <bbeattie_> | 21:26:47: : Title 2 is of type 2 (dvdinput table) |
| 23:10 | <bbeattie_> | up to Title 99, then |
| 23:11 | <bbeattie_> | 21:26:47: : Title 99 is of type 2 (dvdinput table) |
| 23:11 | <bbeattie_> | 21:28:52: launching job: job dvd 3 2 0 0 -1 /misc/myth/video//Finding Nemo |
| 23:11 | <bbeattie_> | 21:28:52: job thread beginning to rip dvd title |
| 23:11 | <bbeattie_> | 21:29:43: a client socket has been closed |
| 23:11 | <bbeattie_> | 21:55:07: job finished succesfully: job dvd 3 2 0 0 -1 /misc/myth/video//Finding Nemo |
| 23:12 | <thor_> | so it cranks away for 25 minutes, and there's no file left at the end? |
| 23:12 | <thor_> | or you can't select anything but perfect to begin with? |
| 23:13 | <bbeattie_> | there's a file, but it's a 5gig with 5.1, even when I selected English 2 Channel DD for audio, |
| 23:13 | <thor_> | right, but no options other than perfect ? |
| 23:13 | <bbeattie_> | mplayer reports it's 5.1, AC3: 5.1 (3f+2r+lfe) 48000 Hz 448.0 kbit/s ...... AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, 16 bit (0x10), ratio: 56000->192000 (448.0 kbit) |
| 23:13 | <thor_> | (perfect doesn't care about your audio selection) |
| 23:13 | <thor_> | it's perfect (throws away no information) |
| 23:14 | <Chiphead> | Ok the videodev2.h in my kernel src is different from all the ones in my ivtv dirs. should I update it or just have the make file point to the one in utils |
| 23:14 | <thor_> | but can you select anything other perfect in the dialog |
| 23:14 | <bbeattie_> | thor_ correct, just being able to select different titles, enable/disable ac3 (Which never has done anything different with or without it, it encodes the exact same file size/md5sum) |
| 23:14 | <thor_> | Chiphead, I have no idea ... I've always copied over from util to driver |
| 23:14 | <Chiphead> | ok |
| 23:15 | <Chiphead> | thast prolly what I did when I first installed 8-15 |
| 23:15 | <thor_> | bbeattie, and now .... the magic question ... did you build mythDVD with ./configure --enable-transcode ? |
| 23:15 | <bbeattie_> | yes |
| 23:15 | <thor_> | darn |
| 23:15 | <pmowry> | hehe |
| 23:15 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: I will go and re-encode a dvd, and save the mtd from each, |
| 23:16 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: what is the ac3 option suppost to do, as for me it isn't changing anything. |
| 23:16 | <thor_> | bbeattie, if you can't select anything other than perfect, there's a more fundamental problem |
| 23:17 | <thor_> | the ac3 option, audio track option, etc., etc., only apply to less than perfect transcodes |
| 23:17 | <thor_> | perfect keeps all those audio tracks in place |
| 23:17 | <thor_> | (this is by design) |
| 23:17 | <thor_> | the question is why you can't select anything other than perfect |
| 23:18 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: so perfect will save say all 5 audio subchannels (french 5.1, 2, english 5.1, 2, etc?) |
| 23:18 | <thor_> | yup |
| 23:18 | <thor_> | it's perfect! |
| 23:18 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: I'll run and do some more testing, what option should be there besides perfect if I want perfect video, but only 1 audio subchannel? |
| 23:18 | <thor_> | well ... dvdinput of type 2 ... hang on |
| 23:19 | <thor_> | Excellent, good and medium |
| 23:20 | <thor_> | select * from dvdtranscode where input=2; |
| 23:21 | <thor_> | (you might want to check that yourself, that SQL against your mythconverg ) |
| 23:22 | <thor_> | Chiphead, that do it? |
| 23:24 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: so how would one have a perfect video rip, but only 1 subchannel (ie, 2 channel DD, or 5.1 channel, but not both)? |
| 23:24 | <thor_> | you could just add a row to the dvdtranscode table that did no video transformation at all |
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| 23:25 | <thor_> | but audio is such a small percentage when compared to video ... |
| 23:26 | <thor_> | "excellent" for input type 2 does no resizing, but does a 2-pass Xvid/DivX encoding (plus the audio track of your choice) |
| 23:27 | <bbeattie_> | thor_: so excellent should have no noticible (hopefully? :) ..) video quality loss, but will give me just 1 audio channel? |
| 23:28 | <bbeattie_> | (that's probably just rephrasing your statement, but in how my mind thinks (oddly) |
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| 23:33 | <thor_> | yeah, and a lot smaller file |
| 23:42 | <Chiphead> | Thor_ nope. still get that error. its the same error I get when compiling the current w/o -DNEW_I2C |
| 23:47 | <thor_> | hmmm .... |
| 23:47 | <Chiphead> | but that define is not in any of the older stuff |
| 23:47 | <thor_> | you do a make install on the current ... perhaps that left a header around that is getting included on the 9/10 code .... (really, really grasping at straws here) |
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| 23:48 | <Chiphead> | yes I did but it is just copying the modules to the modules dir |
| 23:49 | <Chiphead> | Im reciording right now with the current and it will change recordings in 11 mins and I can see all the errors |
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| 23:51 | <thor_> | I just recompiled mine ... I get the saa7127.c:214:4: warning: #warning Using temporary hack for missing I2C driver-ID for saa7127 |
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| 23:52 | <Chiphead> | yeah my errors follow that |
| 23:52 | <thor_> | but it builds just fine |
| 23:52 | <Chiphead> | I get that even in the current with -DNEW_I2C |
| 23:53 | <pmowry> | thor: I got that error in all versions of ivtv I've used. None older than october though. |
| 23:53 | <pmowry> | Even the most recent CVS and from jens' patches. |
| 23:54 | <pmowry> | For an october 15th or Sept 10th, are those versions from sourceforge without tv-out support your talking aboutas stable? |
| 23:55 | <kvandivo> | tvout support was merged in on oct 31/nov 1 |
| 23:55 | <kvandivo> | update -D 10/31 doesn't get it, -D 11/01 does |
| 23:56 | <pmowry> | opps, Ment August 15 instead of October, I'm using the November 9th version now. |
| 23:57 | <Chiphead> | do you have a problem with concetive recordes? |
| 23:57 | <thor_> | me ? |
| 23:57 | <thor_> | (No) |
| 23:57 | <Chiphead> | pmowry, |
| 23:58 | <pmowry> | chiphead: Ihave not tried it yet, with the CVS version from about 2 weeks ago, back-to-back was fine. |
| 23:59 | <pmowry> | But the current CVS version segfaults for me on load. |
| 23:59 | <Chiphead> | I get DMA errors and have to reload the driver before myth can record again |
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