| --- | Log | opened Sun Nov 16 00:00:20 2003 |
| --- | Day | changed Sun Nov 16 2003 |
| 00:00 | <Doukegata> | it looked lie this before: srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Nov 15 20:12 lircd= |
| 00:00 | <Doukegata> | s/lie/like |
| 00:04 | | * Doukegata explodes |
| 00:05 | <cmorgan> | lircd device? |
| 00:05 | <cmorgan> | you'll be using the lirc device i would imagine |
| 00:11 | <Doukegata> | nevermind about the lircd thing, I figured it out. sort of. it's still not working for me, though |
| 00:11 | <Doukegata> | back to my transcoding zombie... |
| 00:11 | <Doukegata> | I'm getting: 2003-11-15 23:05:09 Transcoding /var/video/record/1054_20031106013000_20031106020000.nuv aborted because of cutlist update |
| 00:12 | <Doukegata> | in the backend.log |
| 00:23 | <Doukegata> | 2003-11-15 23:15:29 Position map found |
| 00:23 | <Doukegata> | IVTVFB_IOCTL_GET_STATE: Invalid argument |
| 00:24 | <Doukegata> | my front end crashes every time i want to playback in myth |
| 00:34 | <Teflon-> | yuck |
| 00:35 | <Doukegata> | yeah, yuck is right |
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| 00:37 | <Chutt> | you don't have the ivtv-fb module loaded, or your ivtv driver is out of sync with your mythtv install. |
| 00:38 | <Doukegata> | it IS loaded |
| 00:38 | | * Doukegata waits for mythcommflag to finish |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | then your ivtv driver is the wrong version for the version of mythtv you're running. |
| 00:39 | <Doukegata> | it's pretty new... either CVS or axboe's |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | what's that have to do with anything? |
| 00:40 | <josephk> | well you need nov 8th which I believe is cvs |
| 00:41 | <josephk> | plus latest myth cvs = fun fun fun |
| 00:41 | <Doukegata> | so, what. now that a new ivtv cvs is out, it's incompatible with myth? |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | unless you're using mythtv cvs, yes. |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | i emailed the ivtv list, and both mythtv lists about that |
| 00:42 | | * Doukegata explodes |
| 00:42 | <josephk> | I belive I read both emails |
| 00:42 | <josephk> | or believe |
| 00:42 | <Doukegata> | could I get a subject line on that? |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | you can search for it, or i can search for it |
| 00:45 | <josephk> | ivtv/mythtv cvs changes for pvr-350 decoder. |
| 00:45 | <josephk> | Nov\xA08,\xA02003,\xA02:00\xA0PM |
| 00:45 | <josephk> | Post #1 of 1 (68 views) |
| 00:45 | <josephk> | |
| 00:46 | <josephk> | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Dev_F10/ivtv/mythtv_cvs_changes_for_pvr-350_decoder._P89009/ |
| 00:48 | <Doukegata> | well, there goes my effortless gentoo package installation |
| 00:49 | <Chutt> | use an older ivtv driver |
| 00:49 | <Chutt> | current one's busted, anyway |
| 00:49 | <josephk> | howso chutt? |
| 00:49 | <Chutt> | the internal buffering's messed up |
| 00:50 | <Chutt> | much more fragile, easier to break it |
| 00:50 | <josephk> | ahh |
| 00:50 | <josephk> | which are you using? |
| 00:50 | <josephk> | 10/29? |
| 00:50 | <Chutt> | something around there |
| 00:50 | <josephk> | hehe |
| 00:51 | <Doukegata> | anything before 11/08/03 would work okay, i take it? |
| 00:51 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 00:51 | | * Doukegata reads up on CVS |
| 00:51 | <josephk> | that might explain why sometimes I would get 20 minutes, and others I would get 20 hours |
| 00:52 | <josephk> | thats my slogan now |
| 00:55 | <CyberKne2> | :| Why does mysql hate me so? |
| 00:55 | <CyberKne2> | Oracle and I ... we're such great pals, but mysql ... it abhors me. |
| 00:55 | <josephk> | it smells oracle on you |
| 00:56 | <CyberKne2> | is mysql's IN (subquery) syntax different? |
| 00:56 | -!- | CyberKne2 is now known as CyberKnet |
| 00:57 | <CyberKnet> | With oracle, I can just use... 'AND COL NOT IN (SELECT COL FROM TAB)' or 'AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT COL FROM TAB WHERE COL=OTHER_TABLE.COL)' |
| 00:57 | <CyberKnet> | but mysql seems to not like it, though the docs say it should. |
| 01:00 | <josephk> | no it doesn't |
| 01:00 | <josephk> | apparently IN only likes values |
| 01:00 | <josephk> | no subselects |
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| 01:03 | <CyberKnet> | Hmm. I'm gonna have to read the docs again. |
| 01:03 | <CyberKnet> | I swear I read in there that it supported subselects within an IN |
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| 01:03 | <josephk> | I'm reading comments that say it aint so...hehe |
| 01:03 | <CyberKnet> | I must be wrong though. =) Because it sure doesn't work! heh |
| 01:03 | <josephk> | so take that with a grain of salt |
| 01:03 | <CyberKnet> | Thanks joseph |
| 01:03 | <CyberKnet> | Appreciate your insight. |
| 01:03 | <josephk> | not insight |
| 01:04 | <josephk> | just reading:) |
| 01:04 | <CyberKnet> | Yeah. Apparently I was reading the 4.1 docs, not the 4.0 docs. Sorry for the hassle. |
| 01:04 | <josephk> | insight comes through ones own experience doesn't it?;) |
| 01:04 | <CyberKnet> | I did try to do the right thing and read the docs though =) |
| 01:05 | <CyberKnet> | thus my exasperation when it didn't work. heh |
| 01:05 | <josephk> | hey I don't care...I'm not chutt...I won't kill you |
| 01:05 | <josephk> | :D |
| 01:05 | <CyberKnet> | =D |
| 01:05 | <CyberKnet> | The force runs deep within that one. *grin* |
| 01:05 | <josephk> | Chutt KILL HIM! |
| 01:05 | <josephk> | hehe |
| 01:05 | <CyberKnet> | At first when I joined the mailing list, I thought I was misinterpreting it. |
| 01:06 | <CyberKnet> | then ... I realised his way... you really get to appreciate it after a while. heh |
| 01:07 | <josephk> | riight:) |
| 01:07 | <CyberKnet> | It's like he says "You're an idiot!" and I would at first try to calm the noobs ... "You're taking it the wrong way!" and he would reply "No, they're just an idiot!" |
| 01:09 | <CyberKnet> | cause ... I'm definitely not one of those noobs ... really. heh. |
| 01:09 | <josephk> | riight:) |
| 01:09 | <CyberKnet> | You can tell that because I say 'noobs'. Only a non-noob would say that. |
| 01:10 | <josephk> | zzzz |
| 01:11 | <linagee> | Slashdot requires you to wait 20 seconds between hitting 'reply' and submitting a comment. |
| 01:11 | <linagee> | It's been 4 seconds since you hit 'reply'! |
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| 01:15 | <kro`> | Does anyone know how to rebuild the program guide database? Mine got corrupted somehow. |
| 01:15 | <kro`> | mythfilldatabaase only seems to add new stuff, it won't touch the stuff that is currently corrupt. |
| 01:18 | <josephk> | try using setup to clear you current program settings? |
| 01:22 | <kro`> | hmm. I'll give it a try |
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| 01:31 | <josephk> | hmmm....10/29 and 10/31 wouldn't work with my mythcvs |
| 01:31 | <josephk> | time to update |
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| 02:00 | <Doukegata> | I thought chutt was telling me that if you have the cvs of either myth or ivtv, you need the cvs of the other |
| 02:06 | <warlord> | I just "upgraded" to current-cvs today, and my myth box is now extremely unstable. |
| 02:06 | <warlord> | I keep getting ivtv dma timeouts. |
| 02:09 | <josephk> | well I didn't have much trouble with current-cvs of ivtv |
| 02:09 | <josephk> | besides the normal waiting for data |
| 02:10 | <warlord> | Well, it's feeling like myth isn't reading the data fast enough off my card.. |
| 02:10 | <josephk> | I tried reducing the bitrate, which seems to stabilize live tv |
| 02:11 | <warlord> | I did, too, but it hasn't helped. |
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| 02:11 | <josephk> | but that is only from little testing |
| 02:11 | <josephk> | are you using current-cvs of ivtv? |
| 02:11 | <warlord> | yes |
| 02:11 | <josephk> | chutt tells me the internal buffering is screwed up |
| 02:11 | <warlord> | Lovely.. |
| 02:12 | <chopra> | anyone have thoughts on mythtv along with directv? Does it work well, or just mostly, or perhaps suck? |
| 02:12 | <josephk> | dunno |
| 02:13 | <chopra> | I guess I'll troll the list archives some more for a bit |
| 02:16 | <warlord> | ok, I just sent my backend backtrace to the -dev list. |
| 02:17 | <warlord> | hopefully it will help. |
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| 04:28 | <engie> | Sound - Yay! |
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| 04:46 | <robbie> | moegreen been around ? |
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| 04:47 | <Kasperle> | huhu |
| 04:51 | <marc> | moin |
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| 05:49 | <engie> | Captain_Murdoch: Thanks for the help you gave me yesterday. Now I'm using ALSA I've got sound working great! |
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| 06:21 | <engie> | Note to self: Before checking through thousands of lines of config files and log outputs, try turning the volume up... |
| 06:45 | <engie> | Is it possible to get myth to change channel using an external script if the source is a tuner? |
| 06:51 | <cesman> | yes, it should be possible |
| 06:52 | <cesman> | My boxen is off at the moment so I cannot double check |
| 06:53 | <cesman> | but if you run setup, you should see an option there for a external script that will change the channel |
| 06:53 | <cesman> | try that... |
| 06:53 | <robbie> | cept theres no documentation on how to parse a channel to the script |
| 07:20 | <engie> | I've set that script (the script works manually by setting the channel to the first argument) but it doesn't seem to be used |
| 07:20 | <engie> | any ideas how I could debug this |
| 07:20 | <engie> | ? |
| 07:21 | <engie> | the docs seem to suggest this is for use where there isn't a tuner involved - the tuner has to be used but its channel not changed |
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| 12:18 | <josephk> | Chutt...are you sure you can use an earlier ivtv driver with current myth-cvs...I'm finding the opposite...thought that was the point of the emails to the list. |
| 12:22 | <josephk> | s |
| 12:33 | <Chutt> | try jens' latest patch |
| 12:35 | <josephk> | am right now |
| 12:35 | <josephk> | :) |
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| 12:36 | <josephk> | Doukatega is going to come back pissy;D |
| 12:37 | <Chutt> | he wasn't using cvs mythtv, so he has to use an older ivtv cvs snapshot |
| 12:37 | <josephk> | ah ok |
| 12:37 | <josephk> | nevermind then |
| 12:38 | <josephk> | mmm...Reese's for breakfast |
| 12:38 | <josephk> | Reese's and pepsi |
| 12:40 | <josephk> | can't believe how often jens updates |
| 12:41 | <josephk> | may have decoder at beta in a month;) |
| 12:43 | | * kvandivo is going to hold off on jens' latest since there are reports of SMP being even more unstable than before. |
| 12:44 | <josephk> | I think the 11/16 patch is to address smp |
| 12:44 | <josephk> | isn't it? |
| 12:44 | <cmorgan> | it fixes some smp issues |
| 12:44 | <cmorgan> | apparently not the ones i was seeing with the previous version and with ivtv cvs |
| 12:45 | <Chutt> | bah, who needs smp :p |
| 12:45 | <cmorgan> | :-P |
| 12:45 | <josephk> | hehe |
| 12:45 | <sfr_> | pfff |
| 12:47 | <kvandivo> | honestly, I don't need it on one box.. but the other box is a dual 400, and that extra 400 on that box is quite handy |
| 12:48 | <Chutt> | i can imagine that |
| 12:48 | <kvandivo> | on one box it's just giving my hyperthreading, and I am not yet convinced of the extreme additional value of having SMP yet |
| 12:49 | | * kvandivo goes off to work on the Recording Priorities word change. |
| 12:57 | <term> | so apparently the lirc people didn't feel it necessary to have the daemon go, "gee, I tried to open /dev/lirc, and it came back "it's a directory".. maybe I should figure out it's devfs and scan the directory underneath.." |
| 12:57 | <Chutt> | for that, just include what files should be renamed to what, and i'll take care of it |
| 12:58 | <Chutt> | not the text substitutions, of course, but =) |
| 12:58 | <term> | include what files should be renamed..? |
| 12:58 | <term> | oh. |
| 12:58 | <term> | nevermind, I thought you meant lirc |
| 12:59 | <term> | mythtv still wants lircd and lircmd, right? |
| 13:00 | <term> | I can make this work using --device, but then it logs 5-6 entries a second of no key being pressed. |
| 13:04 | <josephk> | hmmm...Reese's and pepsi may have been a bad choice |
| 13:04 | <kvandivo> | will do, chutt |
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| 13:14 | <davatar> | can someone help me get mythbackend to dump core on segfault? |
| 13:14 | <cmorgan> | gdb mythbackend |
| 13:15 | <cmorgan> | assuming you've built mythbackend with symbols run bt after the hang and you should see a bunch of functions |
| 13:15 | <davatar> | yes.. |
| 13:15 | <cmorgan> | priv msg me with them if you'd like |
| 13:16 | <davatar> | ok, I'm going to compile the latest cvs first.. |
| 13:17 | <Chutt> | multi threaded core files on linux tend not to have anything useful in them. |
| 13:18 | <Chutt> | best way to debug is by running it through gdb, as cmorgan said |
| 13:19 | <davatar> | hmm. I just want to find which functions are segfaulting.. |
| 13:19 | <cmorgan> | that will do it |
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| 13:39 | <quink> | anyone else having trouble wiht the sound being lagged and not syncing to whats on tv? |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | read the 'setting up the mixer' section of the docs. |
| 13:44 | <quink> | ok |
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| 13:46 | <josephk> | reading is fun and mental |
| 13:47 | <quink> | i don't use alsa. i have emu10k1 drivers |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | it's not about alsa. |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | try reading it next time |
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| 14:16 | <bishop> | having error with mythgame. snes9x <romname> works fine from cmd line. but mythgame is passing extra flags that don;t work. where can i change that? |
| 14:19 | <josephk> | Your problem is important to us...we will have an answer to your problem in the order it was received. Thank you for holding. |
| 14:20 | <bishop> | i can't find the options to not make mythgame load snex9x -soundquality 4 -alt etc... |
| 14:20 | <josephk> | hmmm |
| 14:21 | <josephk> | dunno |
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| 14:35 | <Chutt> | i wonder if i can get someone to redo the themes section on the website |
| 14:35 | <Chutt> | be nice to have it support more than one screenshot of the theme |
| 14:35 | <Chutt> | and have it more automatic to make my work easier |
| 14:36 | <cmorgan> | who works on the website? |
| 14:36 | <josephk> | monkeys with typewriters |
| 14:37 | <josephk> | on horseback |
| 14:39 | <josephk> | I kid I kid |
| 14:39 | <josephk> | I joke with you |
| 14:39 | <Chutt> | define 'works' |
| 14:40 | <Chutt> | no one does, really |
| 14:40 | <josephk> | who attacks the website from time to time |
| 14:41 | <cmorgan> | i would imagine it would be easy to solicit screenshots from people here |
| 14:42 | <Chutt> | no, no, that's not the problem |
| 14:42 | <Chutt> | the problem is the code supporting it on the site |
| 14:42 | <cmorgan> | ahh |
| 14:43 | <josephk> | my flash of "Badger Badger Mushroom Snake" goes out of sync after 1 hour and stops audio after 3 ...is this myth's fault? |
| 14:43 | <Chutt> | be nice if it better supported versioning and stuff as well |
| 14:46 | <bishop> | found it. it was in the snessettings table. but it was uneditable because there was no primary key, so i had to add one |
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| 15:16 | <D-side> | afternoon. |
| 15:17 | <sfr_> | night |
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| 15:26 | <warlord> | hmm, i'm trying to find the configuration for PiP location -- how do I reset which quadrant displays PiP? |
| 15:28 | <sfr_> | is it even configurable? |
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| 15:58 | <Captain_Murdoch> | warlord: I don't think it's configurable. |
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| 15:59 | <warlord> | Captain_Murdoch: that's what I thought... |
| 16:02 | <Captain_Murdoch> | would be easy to add an option I would think if you want to check into it and submit a patch. |
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| 16:03 | <warlord> | my wife is swearing to me that i was able to move the location of the PiP... |
| 16:03 | <warlord> | I dont recall that, tho. |
| 16:05 | <sfr_> | prob. that's her way of asking you to add that feature. |
| 16:05 | <warlord> | LOL. |
| 16:06 | <Captain_Murdoch> | is PIP in the upper left hand corner about 50 pixels down and 50 pixels over? |
| 16:06 | | * Captain_Murdoch has never used it. |
| 16:06 | <warlord> | Captain_Murdoch: yes |
| 16:07 | <Captain_Murdoch> | yeah, it's hardcoded in videooutbase.cpp. from a quick look, I think it centers the picture at the pixel 50 down and 50 over. |
| 16:07 | <warlord> | Hmm, I wonder what we'd have to do to get PiP to work with a pvr-350 output. |
| 16:08 | <Captain_Murdoch> | is the osd in color? |
| 16:08 | <Captain_Murdoch> | if so pip could probably be done, but if Chutt hasn't implemented already it there's probably a good reason why. |
| 16:09 | <warlord> | yes |
| 16:09 | <warlord> | I suspect it's because it would require s/w decode for the embedded picture |
| 16:10 | <warlord> | Hmm, why is hdparm -tT reporting onlky 15MB/sec -- that seems pretty poor for a UDMA(100) HDD, no/ |
| 16:10 | <warlord> | ? |
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| 16:18 | <Captain_Murdoch> | software decode isn't a problem really, I think it's the speed you can update the framebuffer at, but I"m not sure. |
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| 16:21 | <warlord> | Hmm, I suppose that could be a problem... |
| 16:21 | <warlord> | let me ask tmk ;) |
| 16:23 | <josephk> | I don't think 15MB is too slow |
| 16:23 | <josephk> | My system drive is that fast..although my buffer/recording drive is 25MB/sec |
| 16:24 | <josephk> | I have recorded to the system drive and don't see a problem...at least any different than the other |
| 16:25 | <warlord> | But are you recording 4 MPG streams? |
| 16:25 | <warlord> | (my buffer reads are like 200+MB/sec) |
| 16:26 | <josephk> | 4?? |
| 16:26 | <warlord> | Yes. 4 |
| 16:26 | <sfr_> | 4 x pvr cards? |
| 16:26 | <josephk> | have you tried reducing that to 2?:) |
| 16:26 | <warlord> | sfr_: yes |
| 16:27 | <warlord> | josephk: why? i want use all of my cards. |
| 16:27 | <sfr_> | warlord: how many channels? |
| 16:27 | <warlord> | besides, a UDMA(100) drive should be able to do more than 15MB/s |
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| 16:27 | <warlord> | sfr_: what do you mean? I've got cable and can tune in analog to (almost) all channels from 2 to 97 |
| 16:27 | <josephk> | warlord...do you do anything for the purposes of testing hypotheses or what?:D |
| 16:28 | <warlord> | josephk: Well, it was always working fine with 3 tuners. it's the fourth that seems to have started the instabilities. |
| 16:28 | <sfr_> | warlord: how many hours does your day have? wonder when you're watching all the recordings. ;) |
| 16:28 | <warlord> | sfr_: during the time when there is CRAP on TV |
| 16:29 | <warlord> | I dont use all four encoders all the time. Indeed, the 4th is only used once a week. |
| 16:29 | <warlord> | But I want it to _work_ |
| 16:29 | <davatar> | these are pvr's? in the same machine? |
| 16:29 | <warlord> | davatar: yes |
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| 16:30 | <warlord> | 3 pvr-250s and 1 pvr-350 |
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| 16:30 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I have 3 M179 cards (Aver's version of the 250) in an old P2-400 and have had all three recording at the same time before |
| 16:30 | <josephk> | bitbytebit uses 4 cards |
| 16:31 | <warlord> | Captain_Murdoch: which is why I'm questioning my HDD I/O b/w, not the # of PVR cards I'm using. |
| 16:31 | <davatar> | it may not be disk issues, but then again 15mb/s read, write speed is probably half that, factor in fragmentation. |
| 16:31 | <josephk> | he said he had trouble with recent drivers |
| 16:33 | <Captain_Murdoch> | warlord: yeah, I know, my message was directed at the people who were asking about the # of cards. |
| 16:33 | <warlord> | True, i have had problems with recent drivers. I was considering dropping today's tarball C and seeing if that helps. |
| 16:33 | <warlord> | Captain_Murdoch: ok. :) |
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| 16:46 | <Captain_Murdoch> | warlord, you running current CVS of Myth? |
| 16:47 | <warlord> | Captain_Murdoch: well, current CVS as of like yesterday I think. |
| 16:47 | <warlord> | I'm about 27 or 28 hours old. |
| 16:48 | <warlord> | Should I pull down the changes from yesterday and today? |
| 16:49 | <Captain_Murdoch> | nah, just asking because I about have that movable PIP window change ready. compiling to test now. gives 4 options, upper left, upper right, lower left, lower right. |
| 16:50 | <warlord> | Cool... |
| 16:50 | <warlord> | How hard do you think it would be to put the PiP window into the OSD on a -350? ;) |
| 16:51 | <Captain_Murdoch> | dunno, haven't even looked at how the osd is done on the 350 cards. look in videoout_ivtv.cpp I think. |
| 16:51 | <warlord> | Is the PiP screen treated differently than the "main" video out? |
| 16:52 | <Captain_Murdoch> | when using software decoding, pip is decoded separately and overlayed on the main video in videooutbase.cpp |
| 16:53 | <warlord> | Ahh, Cool.. So perhaps I can do something similar for the 350. I'll take a look at some point. first I need to get the -350 working with a reasonably stable base system before I go hack on it .. |
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| 16:56 | <brunes> | can anyone else not connect to zap2it.com ? |
| 16:58 | <henry_> | I'm running mythtv and ivtv from cvs (this morning) on a pvr-350. Are there any recommendations for stablizing it (freezes after channel changes). I know this is an ivtv issue. Are there settings that can help? Is there a particular cvs date that I should use? |
| 16:58 | <Captain_Murdoch> | brunes: came up fine here |
| 16:58 | <brunes> | must be my isp |
| 16:59 | <warlord> | henry_: grab the ivtv driver from the other site listed on ivtv's home page. |
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| 17:09 | <henry_> | warlord: I'm sorry, english really is my first language. Does the paragraph on the ivtv website mean I should grab the diff from axboe/ivtv? |
| 17:09 | <warlord> | henry_: yes. |
| 17:10 | <henry_> | thanks |
| 17:10 | <warlord> | you're welcome. |
| 17:10 | <warlord> | the 'C' driver seems to be working pretty well, so far. |
| 17:12 | <henry_> | Its just that the following line (on the web page) says "His patches as of today are merged into ivtv CVS", so I was a little confused. |
| 17:13 | <henry_> | I should have realized that today meant 10-31 duh. |
| 17:17 | <warlord> | Yea |
| 17:17 | <brunes> | what is this ivtv ? |
| 17:17 | <henry_> | So take the 10-31 version and apply the 031116C diff? |
| 17:18 | <warlord> | henry_: or just download the full tarball. |
| 17:19 | <warlord> | brunes: it's the driver for the Hauppauge PVR-250/350 cards |
| 17:19 | <henry_> | ivtv -> driver for hauppauge pvr-250/350 |
| 17:20 | <henry_> | thanks warlord. |
| 17:20 | <brunes> | ah |
| 17:20 | <brunes> | id like one of those babys. how much do they run anyways? |
| 17:21 | <brunes> | I have been looking at upgrading my cpu and getting another tuner.. but it' dprobably be better to just get a PVR card to do the hardware encoding, right? |
| 17:22 | <warlord> | brunes: the -250 is about $130, the -350 is about $190 |
| 17:24 | <brunes> | what is the difference between them |
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| 17:24 | <warlord> | -350 also includes an mpg DECODER with tv-out |
| 17:25 | <brunes> | can you use the decoder w/o the tv out function? |
| 17:25 | <jmw> | hi, i have a problem where my backend crashes when i start frontend and watch tv |
| 17:25 | <jmw> | if i run frontend on another box, it works fine. |
| 17:25 | <warlord> | brunes: no |
| 17:26 | <brunes> | oh well that kinda blows :/ |
| 17:26 | <jmw> | error reading from: /dev/video0 is all i get. |
| 17:26 | <brunes> | how can you use two in one box then? |
| 17:27 | <warlord> | brunes: you have two TVs connected to one box? |
| 17:28 | <warlord> | brunes: the mpeg ENCODER (tv-in) is separable from the mpeg DECODER (tv-out) |
| 17:28 | <brunes> | no., but like, I have two tuners (or that was the plan) |
| 17:28 | <brunes> | hrmm |
| 17:28 | <brunes> | does mythtv still do the overlays on the output? |
| 17:30 | <jmw> | does anyone know if perhaps an irq conflict would prevent backend and frontend from playing well together on the same box? (i can play mpg with a regular player and record at the same time, but can't run the frontend and backend together) |
| 17:30 | <jmw> | using pvr250 and an nvidia card on the same interrupt |
| 17:30 | <warlord> | jmw: what kind of hardware (cpu/memory/etc.)? |
| 17:31 | <jmw> | warlord: dell 420, 866 mhz pIII, 1.5 gig memory |
| 17:33 | <jmw> | warlord: i can run mplayer to play the video i cat from /dev/video0, but i can't watch it on frontend with out crashing backend. |
| 17:33 | <warlord> | jmw: that might not be a fast enough processor.. |
| 17:34 | <warlord> | how does the backend crash?: |
| 17:34 | <warlord> | run it under gdb? get a backtrace? |
| 17:34 | <warlord> | (see the FAQ for how to do that) |
| 17:35 | <jmw> | ok. i'll try to get a backtrace |
| 17:35 | <josephk> | 11/16 appears to be much better than 11-08 |
| 17:38 | <warlord> | josephk: Yea.. I've got 11/16C |
| 17:39 | <brunes> | namely, I dont really care about hardware decoding so much as hardware encoding anyways |
| 17:40 | <warlord> | brunes: then you dont need the -350 |
| 17:40 | <brunes> | wonder if i shoul dget one fo those 250s |
| 17:40 | <jmw> | warlord: actually, backend doesn't segfault, i just get "unable to capture video for 15 seconds, game over man" |
| 17:40 | | * brunes scours ebay |
| 17:40 | <warlord> | jmw: that's probably the ivtv driver.. what version are you using? |
| 17:40 | <jmw> | warlord: should i just capture the gdb output around the time that message comes out? |
| 17:40 | <brunes> | hrm 99 CDN |
| 17:40 | <brunes> | not bad |
| 17:40 | <warlord> | jmw: nope. |
| 17:41 | <brunes> | Note: The Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-250 TV Tuner Card must be placed in the middle PCI slot on the motherboard. |
| 17:41 | <brunes> | ? |
| 17:41 | <brunes> | whats with that? |
| 17:41 | <warlord> | I dont know |
| 17:41 | <warlord> | I've got 3 250s and a 350... |
| 17:41 | <warlord> | they work fine next to each other |
| 17:41 | <jmw> | warlord: my ivtv is an rpm: ivtv-0.12-cvs20031004_16.rh9.at |
| 17:41 | <brunes> | heh |
| 17:41 | <warlord> | just make sure they are in bus-mastering slots. |
| 17:42 | <brunes> | 4 tuners, holy crap you must watch a lotta tv to need that :P |
| 17:42 | <warlord> | jmw: I have no clue what driver that is, but I suspect it's a broken driver. |
| 17:42 | <jmw> | ok. i'll try building a new one |
| 17:42 | <warlord> | brunes: not really -- just a few shows which happen to be broadcast at the same time |
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| 17:43 | <Kasperle> | huhu |
| 17:43 | <Captain_Murdoch> | brunes, I think that's because the motherboard they are talking about only has one busmastering slot |
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| 19:07 | <D-side> | warlord: where did you get the 350s anyway? i'm looking for one |
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| 19:23 | <warlord> | D-side: amazon.com |
| 19:23 | <D-side> | wellthen. |
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| 21:13 | <josephk> | dum dum dittaaaaay |
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| 21:16 | <kvandivo> | dittaaaaaaay dum dittaaaay do |
| 21:17 | <josephk> | kvandivo: did you try 11/16 just to check? |
| 21:18 | <kvandivo> | yes. and it works |
| 21:18 | <kvandivo> | busy working on the rank->recording priorities, but i took time out to check that |
| 21:19 | <kvandivo> | 11/16 with the 179 patch seems to work fine, though |
| 21:21 | <josephk> | much more consistant than previous drivers...for the 350 that is...for me I should also say:) |
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| 21:35 | <warlord> | '179 patch'? |
| 21:35 | <warlord> | is that 11/16C? |
| 21:37 | <kvandivo> | yes, and yes |
| 21:37 | <warlord> | What's the "179 patch"? |
| 21:37 | <kvandivo> | for the avermedia m179 card |
| 21:38 | <warlord> | Oh. |
| 21:39 | <josephk> | much cheaper card isn't it?...same connexant chip? |
| 21:40 | <kvandivo> | chutt, you around? |
| 21:40 | <kvandivo> | same video as the 250, different audio (hence the patch from the Captain) |
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| 21:41 | <warlord> | ok |
| 21:42 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I'm recording 2 shows right now using the 031116c driver with M179 patch. recorded about 6 earlier today using it as well. just stopped in to check on them, bbl. |
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| 21:48 | <josephk> | I've been using B...have to try C |
| 21:49 | <warlord> | C fixes a locking/race condition. |
| 21:51 | <brunes> | Who is the maintainer of mythweb? |
| 21:51 | <brunes> | I have a small patch for him |
| 21:52 | <brunes> | ill just mail the list I guess |
| 22:03 | <kvandivo> | mail patches to dev. they'll end up in the correct place |
| 22:11 | <brunes> | done |
| 22:16 | <kvandivo> | good deal. best to not attempt to send to an individual dev unless they have explicitly asked for it.. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#uselists |
| 22:19 | <brunes> | well different projects have different policies |
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| 23:01 | <warlord> | Hmm, why is myth recording Taken twice? |
| 23:01 | <warlord> | It recorded it at 9, and now it's trying to record the 11pm show too.. |
| 23:09 | <cmorgan> | heh |
| 23:09 | <kvandivo> | do you not like it that well? |
| 23:09 | <warlord> | :-P |
| 23:10 | <warlord> | Not particularly, no. |
| 23:10 | <cmorgan> | wait until myth starts learning what you like |
| 23:10 | <warlord> | And my backend just crashed |
| 23:10 | <cmorgan> | i read a story about tivo getting confused and recording all kinds of shows, the guy was complaining that it thought he was gay, it was recording lifetime specials and decorating shows |
| 23:10 | <warlord> | (no core dump, as far as I can tell) |
| 23:10 | <warlord> | Yea, common urban legend (even if it may be true) |
| 23:11 | <kvandivo> | http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/living/4662397.htm |
| 23:12 | <cmorgan> | yeah, thats the story ;-) |
| 23:12 | <cmorgan> | even if it isn't true its still pretty funny |
| 23:13 | <warlord> | yea. |
| 23:15 | <warlord> | I wish the backend had dropped a corefile... |
| 23:17 | <warlord> | Grf.. redhat's 'daemon' function sets the coredump limit to 0 -- no wonder it's not dumping core! |
| 23:19 | <warlord> | Ok, well, next time it's restarted it'll be fixed. |
| 23:25 | <kvandivo> | whew.. I can go back to work now, then. |
| 23:26 | <warlord> | well, the backend may still crash -- i haven't fixed THAT, yet. |
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| 23:26 | <warlord> | In fact, I got: |
| 23:26 | <warlord> | 2003-11-16 21:10:35 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| 23:26 | <warlord> | ERROR: file I/O problem in 'safe_read()' |
| 23:26 | <warlord> | : Invalid argument |
| 23:26 | <warlord> | ERROR: file I/O problem in 'safe_read()' |
| 23:26 | <warlord> | : Invalid argument |
| 23:26 | <warlord> | ERROR: file I/O problem in 'safe_read()' |
| 23:26 | <warlord> | : Invalid argument |
| 23:26 | <warlord> | ERROR: file I/O problem in 'safe_read()' |
| 23:26 | <warlord> | : Bad address |
| 23:26 | <warlord> | ERROR: file I/O problem in 'safe_read()' |
| 23:26 | <warlord> | : Bad address |
| 23:26 | <warlord> | ERROR: file I/O problem in 'safe_read()' |
| 23:26 | <warlord> | : Bad address |
| 23:26 | <warlord> | (before it crashed) |
| 23:27 | <josephk> | can you access that video source after that? |
| 23:28 | <kvandivo> | you checked the obvious things? df -k, kernel logs for read errors on the disk, etc? |
| 23:28 | <josephk> | I would get that when my vidsource went kerplunk |
| 23:29 | <warlord> | plenty of disk space |
| 23:29 | <warlord> | nothing in the kernel logs. |
| 23:30 | <warlord> | The only thing close is |
| 23:30 | <warlord> | Nov 16 22:56:29 mythtv kernel: ivtv: timed out waiting for firmware |
| 23:30 | <warlord> | (which is about when the backend died) |
| 23:30 | <warlord> | but there were no other ivtv messages |
| 23:30 | <josephk> | do you know which card it was using? |
| 23:31 | <warlord> | and in fact those came AFTER I restarted the backend |
| 23:31 | <warlord> | It was using cards 1 and 2 (both pvr-250s) |
| 23:31 | <warlord> | (or 0 and 1, depending how you count) |
| 23:31 | <josephk> | if those came after it definitely sounds like one of them is not sending data |
| 23:31 | <josephk> | can you cat them both? |
| 23:33 | <warlord> | No need -- myth is running just fine right now.. recording off #1 and livetv off #2 |
| 23:33 | <warlord> | the backend died. I restarted it.. restarted the frontend, and it's happy again. |
| 23:34 | <josephk> | ok...I noticed not too long ago my cards would stop sending data even after I shutdown the backend |
| 23:34 | <josephk> | hasn't happened with more recent drivers |
| 23:35 | <warlord> | what version of the ivtv driver? |
| 23:35 | <warlord> | I'm running 11/16C |
| 23:35 | <josephk> | I believe it was all hallows eve |
| 23:35 | <josephk> | hehe |
| 23:36 | <warlord> | I'm just wondering why the backend crashed. I didn't get a core dump due to redhat's scripts, so I dont know. I'll have to wait until I can restart the backend another time. |
| 23:36 | <warlord> | (it's still running with cordumpsize limited to 0 |
| 23:37 | <cmorgan> | can't change the coredump size on the fly? |
| 23:37 | <josephk> | what drive is this that you only get 15MB on an udma 100 interface? |
| 23:37 | <warlord> | cmorgan: i have no idea.. |
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| 23:38 | <warlord> | josephk: uh, i think it's a maxtor. /dev/hda (my one and only drive) |
| 23:38 | <josephk> | size? |
| 23:39 | <warlord> | 200gb |
| 23:39 | <cmorgan> | that seems a bit low by todays standards |
| 23:39 | <josephk> | I guess it's 5400? |
| 23:39 | <kvandivo> | depends on the speed of the machine, too.. i went from 40 megs down to about 15 when i went from a 2.4 to a 400 |
| 23:39 | <warlord> | and my last test (after a reboot) I got 30MB/sec |
| 23:39 | <warlord> | I thought it was 7200 |
| 23:39 | <bbeattie> | Could some offer some ideas on why when building a new myth server and I've loaded up a database from another system, everything is there except song ratings in mythmusic are not there? Meaning I'm unable to change song ratings and I have no rating at all (No stars, on any song, and I can't "up a rating" that I can see that occurs. |
| 23:39 | <cmorgan> | should be around the 30's |
| 23:39 | <josephk> | yeah...my 8GB seagate does 15 |
| 23:39 | <josephk> | sounds right |
| 23:39 | <warlord> | I've got a 2600+ athlon xp |
| 23:40 | <warlord> | it should be getting better performance, but it's possible I dont have the RH kernel configured properly. |
| 23:40 | <cmorgan> | the latest scsi drives are up around 70-80mb/s |
| 23:41 | <warlord> | 80mb/s is 10MB/s, which is less than I'm seeing |
| 23:41 | <warlord> | (or do you mean 80MB/s?) |
| 23:41 | <cmorgan> | my bad, i meant 80MB/s |
| 23:41 | <warlord> | Ah. |
| 23:41 | <warlord> | Well, as I said, I did see 30MB/s earlier. |
| 23:42 | <cmorgan> | ide disks aren't that far behind |
| 23:42 | <kvandivo> | when I get to the point of needing 70 streams of tv at once, i'll consider getting one of those |
| 23:42 | <kvandivo> | ;-P |
| 23:42 | <cmorgan> | even though they often spin slower they have high data densities |
| 23:42 | <warlord> | right now I get 206 MB/s on buffer-cache reads, and 25MB/s on buffered disk reads. |
| 23:42 | <warlord> | But it's also got two MPG streams going right now. |
| 23:43 | <cmorgan> | yeah, ide drives are great for sequential workloads, not so hot for random ;-) |
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| 23:43 | <warlord> | but myth is pretty sequential |
| 23:43 | <cmorgan> | yep |
| 23:44 | <cmorgan> | thats why they recommend you get 5400 rpm drives for pvr stuff, keeps the temperature down and less noise |
| 23:46 | <warlord> | hda: 390721968 sectors (200050 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=24321/255/63, UDMA(100) |
| 23:46 | <cmorgan> | have to love a drive that reports 255 heads ;-) |
| 23:46 | <warlord> | sorry, it's a western digital, not a maxtor |
| 23:47 | <warlord> | Model=WDC WD2000JB-32EVA0, FwRev=15.05R15, SerialNo=WD-WMAEH1218086 |
| 23:47 | <warlord> | Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec SpinMotCtl Fixed DTR>5Mbs FmtGapReq } |
| 23:47 | <warlord> | RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=57600, SectSize=600, ECCbytes=74 |
| 23:47 | <warlord> | BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=8192kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16 |
| 23:47 | <warlord> | CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=268435455 |
| 23:47 | <warlord> | IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120} |
| 23:47 | <kvandivo> | potay-toe, pataah-toe |
| 23:48 | | * kvandivo is seriously considering a beefier backend. Waiting an hour for myth to compile for testing a code change is just too much. |
| 23:48 | <josephk> | go for it! |
| 23:49 | <josephk> | :D |
| 23:49 | <warlord> | I should probably pull down current CVS to grab the fixes from yesterday afternoon and today.. |
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