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---Logopened Wed Dec 03 00:00:20 2003
---Daychanged Wed Dec 03 2003
00:00<Lenolium>It is builtin... I can compile it out into a module, if you think it would help, but the oss emulation stuff is in modules.
00:01<thor_>well, wouldn't hurt, but if it's built in and came in on dmesg, what's xmms do on /dev/dsp0 ?
00:01<billytwowilly>Lenolium: follow this:
00:02<thor_>the alsa docs are actually very good if you follow them to the letter
00:02<Lenolium>Grr... vnc and clipboards..
00:02<billytwowilly>yah. The alsadocs worked for me when I was running mandrake 9.1 with the same setup.
00:04<Lenolium>aplay plays .wav files properly (just tested), alsamixer also works
00:04<thor_>sounds like you're pretty much there
00:05<Lenolium>What device name should I tell mythfrontend to use?
00:05<thor_>probably /dev/dsp0
00:05<thor_>unless you've got btaudio stuff coming in first
00:06<thor_>man aplay
00:06<thor_>and check the device setting
00:06<thor_>to make sure
00:08<thor_>scratch that
00:08<thor_>the aplay bit
00:09<thor_>Chutt, if you're up ... the thread pool stuff in backend looks about right :)
00:10<Lenolium>thor_: Bad news, there is no /dev/dsp*
00:10<thor_>but it's really the server itself that has to be thread-safe, the threads just execute all over it, correct
00:11<Lenolium>thor_: I'll read up my alsa docs.
00:12<thor_>Lenolium, I think you want the snd_pcm (oss *emulation*) stuff loaded ... I've found Myth talking OSS to be very happy with alsa modules as long as the emulation is there
00:15<Lenolium>thor_: Okay... but it seems to be giving me fits...
00:17<thor_>Chutt ... if you catch this on scrollback .... I'm a bit confused by how you can have a pool of threads running over MainServer::ProcessRequest(QSocket *sock)
00:17<thor_>... not a mutex in sight .... ?
00:22<Lenolium>Back to "Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!" around 24 times a second...
00:25<Lenolium>I think it might be a backend issue...
00:25<Lenolium>tons of this in the backend dmesg buffer: bttv0: skipped frame. no signal? high irq latency?
00:26<rcam>thor_ Gonna get that album art in?
00:26<Lenolium>That would probably do it, wouldn't it?
00:27<thor_>Lenolium, sounds likely
00:27<thor_>rcam, not tonight :-) it's sleepy time for me
00:28<Lenolium>xawtv seems to get along without a problem...
00:28<thor_>not full duplex
00:31<Lenolium>Why would I need full duplex? This is a pure backend, recording only should be fine...
00:32<thor_>sorry, sleepy .... not making too much sense
00:32<Lenolium>thor_: Hey, sleepy, drunk, I ain't picky, I just need some help, the dents in my wall are becoming far too large.
00:33<Lenolium>2003-12-02 22:32:01 9 0[]:[]596 <-- I wish I knew what these ment
00:35<Lenolium>btw, xawtv is running to a remote display, so it's not just overlay that is working...
00:40<Lenolium>and if I startup mythbackend, I hear the audio from to the proper channel.
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00:48<Lenolium>Hrm... well, it changes to the correct channel...
00:50<CyberKnet>Boy. It sure is a good feeling to see TV happening for the first time =)
00:50<D-side>bttv isnt showing up in a kernel config. what could i be missing. all options for i2c are done already.
00:54<D-side>well, nevermind that crap.
00:59<Lenolium>Grrr... my bttv device is on the same interrupt line as like 4 other devices
01:08<Lenolium>I just wish that it worked! That's all ;)
01:10<tmk>move it to a diff. pci slot. that may change its irq
01:10<tmk>also disable stuff you're not using (serial ports? printer port?)
01:12<Lenolium>if xawtv works, should it be fine?
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01:12<rcam>Lenolium No.
01:13<rcam>Lenolium Try knoppmyth @ Also check the channel #knoppmyth
01:14<Lenolium>What should I set MaxBufferFill to?
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01:21<Lenolium>Any versions of GCC I should avoid?
01:22<billytwowilly>but that was ages ago..
01:23<Lenolium>Using 3.3.2 ...
01:23<billytwowilly>that's fine.
01:25<Lenolium>Any debian package to play .nuv files? or do I need to export them?
01:25<billytwowilly>someone made a modified mplayer a while ago.. probably have to export them.
01:25<billytwowilly>unless you have a pvrx50. then just rename them to .mpg.
01:27<Lenolium>no, I have a crappy bttv based card.
01:28<billytwowilly>then export.
01:29<Lenolium>where is the exporter?
01:29<Lenolium>I have the CVS tree downloaded...
01:30<billytwowilly>I don't know... You sounded like you knew what you were doing, I was just agreeing with you;)
01:32<Lenolium>hehe, I know what I am doing, but mythtv is always one step ahead of me, and now has a solid track-record of defeating me soundly.
01:33<DogBoy>it's called nuvexport
01:34<DogBoy>the mplayer on knoppmyth plays the nuv files directly
01:36<Lenolium>Okay, so my frontend gets stuck at "wating for prebuffer..." ... and after I kill it, I can no longer get any data from my backend...
01:38<billytwowilly>Just grab knoppmyth and stop hurting yourself;)
01:38<billytwowilly>This is starting to get painful;)
01:38<Lenolium>my backend server runs debian. And has a lot more on it than just mythtv.
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01:41<billytwowilly>then you can probably just grab the debs..
01:41<billytwowilly>You won't be cutting edge, but it won't be as painful.
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02:02<Lenolium>0.11 never worked for me either...
02:03<Lenolium>I guess I am just cursed when it comes to mythtv
02:03<billytwowilly>Probably;) Or you have funky hardware..
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02:17<fiberguy>does MythTV have an own media player? I can't see if it's using for example MPlayer
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02:20<Lenolium>fiberguy: for the TV stuff? for for mythvideo?
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02:28<rcam>I am running a backend... I am running a front end off cd. It is not connecting to the database... I have never done this before any one that has... please explain what i need to know?
02:29<DogBoy>you're asking this stuff in the wrong channel
02:30<DogBoy>you need a static ip on the backend
02:30<DogBoy>you boot the cd and put that ip in and voila
02:31<rcam>wish it worked that way
02:31<rcam>DogBoy What do I need todo on my backend?
02:31<DogBoy>it did for me
02:31<DogBoy>re run mythtv-setup
02:31<rcam>DogBoy join knoppmyth so we can talk about this hehe.
02:32<DogBoy>under general set the ip of the backend to something other than loopback
02:33<rcam>i think i got it
02:37<rcam>DogBoy still wont connect on my front end
02:38<rcam>The login and password should be set as mythtv / mythtv right?\
02:40<DogBoy>there are some instructions for using cd frontend on his site
02:40<rcam>Where? I cannot see to well with Lynx?
02:41<DogBoy>man, that's a bummer
02:42<DogBoy>it's in the topic in that other chatroom
02:42<rcam>I know that... I founded it.
02:42<rcam>But I mean where on the site?
02:42<DogBoy>yeah, so what was the basis for your question...
02:43<rcam>i found it...
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02:50<DogBoy>jeez, zoning out, why am I watching commercials
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03:15<emice>hey, anyone up?
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04:18<o_cee>kvandivo: you around?
04:18<robbie__>hey o_cee
04:18<robbie__>what country you in ?
04:20<robbie__>doing a cvs update and rebuild to see if your theme looks proper
04:20<billytwowilly>Is CVS pretty stable?
04:20<o_cee>i'm running it
04:20<billytwowilly>What's different/better than in 0.12?
04:20<o_cee>robbie__: make sure you make a distclean
04:21<billytwowilly>Is it worth me upgrading?
04:21<robbie__>did do
04:21<o_cee>billytwowilly: you don't want cvs unless you're aware what's new
04:21<robbie__>current cvs runs very nice
04:21<o_cee>lot of stuff beeing changed
04:21<billytwowilly>I'm curious what's new;)
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04:21<o_cee>read the commit list
04:21<robbie>well current as in few days ago
04:21<o_cee>where? hmm
04:21<robbie>billytwowilly: its a list you subscribe to at
04:22<robbie>you get emails about updates
04:22<billytwowilly>robbie: I'm familiar with that, I'd much rather be able to see it online like with the other mailing lists.
04:22<billytwowilly>Is it cached anywhere?
04:22<robbie>duno, have a look at
04:22<o_cee>why don't you look at the friggin page??
04:22<robbie>mythtv even
04:22<billytwowilly>nothing on
04:22<billytwowilly>point to an archive.
04:23<o_cee>it's on the bloody page
04:23<billytwowilly>err. pointing to an archive.
04:23<billytwowilly>nothing on pointing to an archive of the emails.
04:23<o_cee>then you're blind.
04:23<o_cee>stopd making noise before you find it.
04:24<billytwowilly>no link to an online searchable archive.
04:24<o_cee>who said anything about searchable?
04:24<billytwowilly>sigh... there isn't an online archive other than browsing the source directly listed on the page is what I'm trying to get at.
04:25<o_cee>what else would you want from a commits list? hmm
04:26<billytwowilly>If it was an archive of the emails it would give an easy to see chronology of what was committed. No point searching through the source in its entirety to see all the commits.
04:26<robbie>google helps
04:26<billytwowilly>robbie: Thank you.
04:27<billytwowilly>that should be linked on the webpage.
04:27<o_cee>IT IS DAMMIT!
04:27<o_cee>on the same page you pasted before.
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04:28<robbie>billytwowilly: you know,
04:28<robbie>GOOGLE HELPS
04:28* o_c\annoyed_as_h is away: stupid people
04:31<billytwowilly>robbie: Not being an asshole also helps. I was quite civil with o_cee and he was a jerk.
04:32<billytwowilly>It's true.
04:32<o_c\annoyed_as_h>i told you, it IS in the PAGE. you didn't even bother to look
04:34<billytwowilly>I did look. it isn't on that page I linked to.
04:34<o_c\annoyed_as_h>yes it is.
04:34<o_c\annoyed_as_h>wich proves that you STILL haven't looked close enough.
04:35<billytwowilly>no it isn't. There is a link to the sign up page to the cvs commits list which has the link to the online archive.
04:35<o_c\annoyed_as_h>good boy, now you got it.
04:35<o_c\annoyed_as_h>was it that hard to find?
04:36<billytwowilly>the other two mailing lists have links to the online archives right there next to the link to sign up.
04:36<billytwowilly>It's illogical that there would be a link to the archive on the signup page and not have it linked right there on the page I linked to, thus I said it should be linked to on that page.
04:38<billytwowilly>it should be linked right on the webpage, like the other two mailing lists.
04:38<billytwowilly>after I made that comment you went off into a blind rage calling me stupid even though I was right that it wasn't linked on the page.
04:38<billytwowilly>thus you were being a jerk.
04:40<o_c\annoyed_as_h>if you want to be a jerk, be my guest
04:40<o_c\annoyed_as_h>that page is still
04:40<o_c\annoyed_as_h>and it links to the archive
04:40<o_c\annoyed_as_h>so, yeah, there is a link to the arhive on
04:41<o_c\annoyed_as_h>now i've got better things to do.
04:41<billytwowilly>Not on the page I linked to asking you to show me where the link was and the page that didn't have the link on it.
04:42<o_c\annoyed_as_h><billytwowilly> nothing on
04:42<o_c\annoyed_as_h><billytwowilly> point to an archive.
04:42<o_c\annoyed_as_h>wich is wrong
04:42<o_c\annoyed_as_h>now i won't talk to you about this anymore.
04:43<billytwowilly>Then I clarified with the direct link to the page that should have the link on it.. sigh.. I hope you are decent at coding because you are certainly lacking in social skills.
04:43<billytwowilly>Goodnight. I wish you well in all your future endevours.
04:45<robbie>hehe, people ar funny
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04:59<robbie>o_cee: no luck, still looks the same
04:59<robbie>oh well
05:00<robbie>btw my themes are in /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/
05:00<robbie>if thats any interest
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07:00<o_cee>robbie: looks right, depends on your setup really
07:06<robbie>oh well
07:06<robbie>im happy how it looks
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09:12<o_cee>kvandivo: around?
09:13* mikegrb is certain he is around /somewhere/
09:13<mikegrb>maybe just not here
09:14<o_cee>doesn't seem like it..
09:14<o_cee>and no captain_murdoch either
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09:33<o_cee>i've fixed the countdown times
09:33<o_cee>and added the global preroll to the calculation
09:34<o_cee>now i just need help to fix ProgramInfo so i can get per recording preroll as well
09:34<kvandivo>i was wondering last night as i had to make my browser window bigger to see the entire page (well, the descriptions, actually).. does it need to be defined as wide as it is?
09:34<o_cee>could you make a screenshot? it shouldn't be any problems on 800x600
09:34<o_cee>or are you running lower than that?
09:35<kvandivo>hmm.. probably about 600x1000.. I run at 1280x1024 and put two browsers side by side
09:35<o_cee>this recording will start in 0 hours and -1 minutes...
09:35<kvandivo>but there didn't seem to be any obvious reason that it _needed_ to be as wide as it is..
09:35<o_cee>friggin preroll and conflicts!
09:35<kvandivo>perhaps a percentage number instead of an absolute number of pixels..
09:36<o_cee>nah, i just made it look good with 800x600
09:36<o_cee>this countdown crap is driving me nuts
09:36<o_cee>now the preroll didn't kick in because it's already recording another show
09:36<kvandivo>i hope you are making the function nice and general so that it can be used in other places in myth to determine how long it is until a show is going to start
09:37<o_cee>could do, just put it inside the other stuff for now
09:37<o_cee>but how the hell should i fix this
09:38<o_cee>need to check if it's conflicting as well.. :\
09:38<o_cee>why can't the rectime just return the actual starttime of the recording?
09:38<o_cee>and not when it _might_ or _should_ start :)
09:39<o_cee>i'll just do "will record soon" if the minutes are going negative for now
09:41<o_cee>another thing kvandivo
09:41<o_cee>the countdown is now not showing the seconds
09:41<kvandivo>are you familiar with bug #5 from my list?
09:41<o_cee>but, it should, if they where there.. 1 minute and 59 seconds. isntead it says just 1 minute.. should i subtract 60 seconds for that you think?
09:42<o_cee>kvandivo: haven't seen it
09:42<o_cee>or maybe i have...
09:42<kvandivo>you could always round the number and say approximately if you don't want the seconds.
09:42<o_cee>seconds felt silly having there
09:42<o_cee>but when it says 1 minute, it's really more than 1 minute..
09:42<mikegrb>howdy kvandivo
09:42<kvandivo>well, there is always the issue of the web page not being dynamic
09:42<kvandivo>hola, mg
09:43<kvandivo>which is why absolute times are nice to have..
09:44<o_cee>like in?
09:45<kvandivo>like in... this show will start at 7pm, as well as how long it will be until it starts
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09:45<kvandivo>that way it doesn't matter if the web page you are looking at happens to have been retrieved 3 hours ago
09:46<dja>o_cee: are you working on the status webpage?
09:46<kvandivo>o_cee: refer to;search_string=;guest=1698299&t=search_engine#83862
09:47<kvandivo>for a description of what i was talking about with bug #5 on my list
09:47<kvandivo>the bug in the GetAllPending code is what i am talking about.
09:47<o_cee>dja: yeah
09:48<dja>one small request? Would it be easy to include the version?
09:48<o_cee>kvandivo: "as well as how long it will be until it starts" isn't that what i'm trying to do? :)
09:48<o_cee>dja: version of?
09:48<o_cee>i'll have a look
09:49<dja>cool -- thanks....I was gonna look at it, but I'm having troubles with my pvr-250 all of a sudden (bad audio, occasional freezes) -- gotta spend time trying to get it stable again. :-(
09:49<kvandivo>yes, o_cee.. i was just providing some input on why absolute times can be more useful in a web (ie., non dynamic) environ
09:51<o_cee>ah, okay :)
09:51<o_cee>will try to sort things out
09:54<o_cee>have to talk to someone who knows the schedules
09:55<Peitolm>are all of the plugins available from the same cvs server?
10:03<o_cee>kvandivo: maybe a meta-refresh of 60 seconds?
10:04<kvandivo>i would prefer not. i wouldn't want my backend busy serving that web page if not needed
10:05<o_cee>probably true
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10:15<jeroen_>I get "Broken for card:" error's afther mythfilldatabase
10:16<jeroen_>what's the problem ? everyting seems to work nicly
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10:27<chiphead>o_cee, nice status page! I like it very much
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10:32<rcam>DobBoy Join knoppmyth.
10:33<rcam>Please note the channel for KnoppMyth is #knopmyth
10:33<rcam>Please note the channel for KnoppMyth is #knoppmyth
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10:34<_Nero_>Does anyone here have the doppler radar image coming up in MythWeather? (I am running 0.12, and it always says "Map Unavailable")
10:35<fiberguy>does anyone know where I can get the theme showed at
10:35<chiphead>_Nero_, yep, works for me
10:35<_Nero_>chiphead- strange..
10:36<_Nero_>i hI have tried several zipcodes.. and none get the image..
10:36<_Nero_>(yet the image is available on
10:36<chiphead>I am not... at least no stranger that anyone else here
10:36<chiphead>I dunno... Im actually running cvs
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10:37<_Nero_>ahh.. ok.. maybe it is a 0.12 issue then
10:40<rcam>_Nero_ I don't have it ethier.
10:40<rcam>_Nero_ I think they changed the image name.
10:40<_Nero_>dont have the maps either? or the problem?
10:40<_Nero_>ahhh.. gotcha..
10:41<rcam>I have no map.
10:41<rcam>And I did a few days ago.
10:41<_Nero_>so did I.. any way, short of going into the code, to change what file it looks for?
10:43<rcam>I have no idea.
10:44<rcam>Obviously something in MythWeather.
10:44<rcam>Find out who wrote MythWeather and ask them.
10:48<CyberKnet>re the radar doppler image... I get it.
10:49<o_cee>chiphead: thx :)
10:50<chiphead>o_cee, are you going to change the status page inside myth to reflect the new look?
10:50<o_cee>you mean the new system status thingie?
10:51<o_cee>wouldn't think that's html.. :)
10:51<chiphead>it currently only shows the status ofr the guide data
10:51<chiphead>no its not
10:52<o_cee>haven't looked at it at all
10:52<o_cee>maybe i will
10:52<rcam>Do you guys know who wrote MythWeather?
10:52<chiphead>it would be nice to have all the data you display on the web status there as well
10:52<o_cee>rcam: take a look at the README
10:53<o_cee>fiberguy: that theme isn't maintained anymore
10:53<rcam>Any idea whtas wrong with MythWeather in 0.12?
10:53* o_cee is back (gone 06:25:27)
10:53<fiberguy>o_cee: ok, thanks
10:54<chiphead>rcam, since the problem seems to be fixed in the current cvs, I would diff the current with the 0.12 release and see what changed
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10:54<fiberguy>when asking, I seem to have a problem with MythVideo and MPlayer, the keybindings are all wrong, I can't quit the player or do anything
10:55<o_cee>then setup mplayer in the way you want?
10:55<fiberguy>MPlayer is properly configured
10:55<middy>has there been any discussion about the changes to the xmltv pull? I can't seem to pull listings anymore
10:55<fiberguy>when launching it outside MythTV, it works fine
10:56<chiphead>middy, what version of xmltv ?
10:57<middy>0.5.21 I believe, let me check before I just blurt out the version though
10:58<middy>yes 0.5.21
10:58<rcam>There is a new version... I think thats not it.
10:58<rcam>Let me check.
10:59<chiphead>yes 0.5.23 is current
10:59<rcam>Anyone have the sources for Apt-get that have the new XMLTV debs?
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11:05<Peitolm>is thor_ the author of mythweb?
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11:06<bitbyte>he's one of the Hiney brothers
11:06<bitbyte>his brother is "Big Red"
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11:08<middy>0.5.23 makes it all better, i guess going from 0.5.14 to 0.5.21 wasn't enough.
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11:26<hculver>fwiw, i810 audio hardware and alsa sound drivers are a bad combo.
11:29<steelep>mine work fine
11:29<steelep>I have to remove/reset them occassionally but not enough to cause me to seek another card
11:30<hculver>could not get sound (mandrake 9.2). Went back to oss and its fine.
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11:30<steelep>i'm on debian, not that it really makes much difference, BUT what I did do is compile the drivers myself.
11:31<steelep>I had to hack the driver a little until the last version was released
11:31<hculver>was going to go there next, but was working multiple issues.
11:31<steelep>all I did before was add a block specifically for the i810 by copying another block and changing the name
11:32<hculver>I've got my pvr-350 audio out going to my line-in.
11:33<hculver>I missed the damn msp3400 in /lib/modules/blah/kernel/3rdparty/mod_marvel
11:34<_Nero_>hculver- that got me for the longest time as well!!
11:35<hculver>It was driving me crazy. If I boot and then load the drivers manually with insmod everything worked, but modprobing ivtv I would get no sound.
11:35<_Nero_>hculver- have you tried running the mandrake mm kernel??
11:36<hculver>No, I'm running 2.4.22-21mdkcustom built from their kernel-source.
11:36<_Nero_>I am running a customized mandrake mm kernel, with i810, and have had no problems with my i810 and ALSA.
11:36<_Nero_>(by customized, I mean, built from their source.. had to switch serial to a module for lirc)
11:38<hculver>OK, now I feel stupid. I've never seen kernel-multimedia-source before.
11:38<_Nero_>its on the contrib mirrors..
11:39<hculver>Ah, that explains it. I only just urpmi.addmedia'd a contrib mirror a day or two ago. I had a hard enough time finding kernel-source for 9.2.
11:39<hculver>I was astonished that it wasn't on the 9.2 download cds.
11:40<_Nero_>that was pretty appauling..
11:40<_Nero_>made it hard for me to compile nvnet drivers.. lol
11:41<_Nero_>well.. gotta run to some meetings.. hculver- I'd give that mm kernel a try.. it might solve your problems.
11:41<hculver>Thanks, have a good one.
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11:54<rcam>I had something paused and the frontend seems to be frozen. What can I do to recover the video?
12:03<hculver>is the backend frozen? check /mnt/store/ringbuf1.nuv. This is the video (or wherever you set this up to be).
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12:58<middy>I am having an annoying problem with mythtv where the fonts are really tiny, if I adjust the fonts in the general window, the fonts are still tiny except for the dialogs which get huge, is there an easy way to correct this?
12:59<thor_>you're not running X at 100x100 dpi
13:00<thor_>xdpyinfo | grep inch
13:01<o_cee>right oooon
13:01<o_cee>no ipod yet :/
13:02<o_cee>need to get a hold of chris
13:03<thor_>for mythweb <--> status links ?
13:04<o_cee>the other chris
13:04<o_cee>[mythtv] can not compile after CVS update
13:04<o_cee>i got that email _now_
13:06<Peitolm>thor is there any plans to have the channel number in the mythweb interface changed to say, the cml id or something?
13:07<Peitolm>or as a user-selectable option
13:07* Peitolm realises he can probably work out how to edit th .php to do that anyway, so shuts up and goes home
13:08<thor_>I think you want to speak to Chris Petersen
13:08<thor_>I wrote the old myth web
13:08<thor_>(the crappy one no-one uses anymore :-) )
13:08<Peitolm>coo, fair enough :)
13:08<Peitolm>right off home.
13:09<thor_>but I'm sure he's be delighted to see a patch on the -dev list ....
13:09<thor_>he's very good about incorporating other people's code
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13:31<Peit|Home>did that bt make any sense thor_? (the channel number issue) not seen any replies or requests on -dev, or am i being to hasty?
13:32<thor_>made sense to me ... but I didn't write _any_ of that code ....
13:33<Peit|Home>it seemed odd that more combinations crashed it with cvs than 0.12
13:33<thor_>chanNumber = 4294967293
13:33<thor_>looks a wee bit odd
13:33<Peit|Home>someone pointed out that it was -3 or some small number, which led me to check the number of channels
13:34<Peit|Home>as i knew that only 2 of them initially actually had something in the channel number field in mythtvconverg
13:35<Peit|Home>it's fine now that i have nearly all my channels with channel numbers, so it's acedemic to me, i don't think there was anything unique to my setup that anyone else couldn't test
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13:35<kvandivo>just hopping in the conversation now.. but did you send a bt from cvs ?
13:35<Peit|Home>kvandivo: yeah
13:35<thor_>sounds like your channel table was wonky ... but, as I said, I don't really know anything about GuideGrid
13:35* kvandivo goes off to look at it.
13:35<Peit|Home>kvandivo: replied to my first post
13:35<Peit|Home>let me check it actualy went to the list, i belive it , but..
13:35<thor_>it did
13:36<thor_>but the list mail server has been doing odd things
13:36<Peit|Home>yeah, it did :) thought i'd used reply to list
13:36<kvandivo>getting it from gossamer as we speak..
13:36<Peit|Home>i almost certainly should have considered compressing it
13:38<kvandivo>what's line 1066 in _your_ gg.cpp? in mine it is if (chinfo->iconpath != "none" && chinfo->iconpath != "")
13:38<kvandivo>ahh.. ok.. nm.. #1 shows that..
13:40<kvandivo>do you have icon paths, i wonder..
13:41<kvandivo>when you do a 'select * from channel;' in mysql, are you getting icon paths?
13:42<kvandivo>select chanid, channum, icon from channel; would work as well
13:42<kvandivo>although you shouldn't be required to have an icon path in the first place..
13:45<kvandivo>nm.. doesn't have anything to do with that..
13:46<kvandivo>line 1038 is grabbing element 4294967293 of the array, which, obviously, points to bad data
13:47<Peit|Home>o.k. is that grabing anything like currentchannel - (lines to display / 2)
13:47<Peit|Home>is that gg.cpp?
13:48<kvandivo>gridguide.cpp is what i meant
13:49<kvandivo>i'd like to know what value m_currentStartChannel has, and what the size of m_channelInfos is
13:50<Peit|Home>is that in sql?
13:50<kvandivo>no. it's in code.
13:51<kvandivo>in your settings.. i don't have a gui in front of me..
13:51<kvandivo>there is a setting for that.. what is it set to?
13:52<Peit|Home>DefaultTVChannel | 3
13:52<Peit|Home>chanPerPage | 7
13:52<Peit|Home>i think chanperpage was 8 when it crashed
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14:39<Peit|Home>um, anyone having problems with an external channel change command, mythtv doesn't appear to be passing it any arguments
14:40* mikegrb brings another freevo user to the mythtv side
14:40<Peit|Home>perhaps i'm reading it wrong, but if i have "/usr/bin/change_channel" doesn't mythbackend call it with "/usr/bin/change_channel <channel_number>"
14:48<emice>how well does mythtv work with widescreen?
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14:54<emice>I would assume most widescreen TVs use a zoom mode on the 4:3 output mythtv provides.. is mythtv usable that way?
14:54<mikegrb>I stretch mythtv's output to 16:9
14:55<mikegrb>but that is just because we got used to watching 4:3 stuff stretched to full screen already
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15:14<Peit|Home>anyone with an external channel change command on and awake?
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15:18<Peit|Home>Chutt: got a sec for a potentially braindead question
15:19<Peit|Home>does the channel change command work like "change_channel <channel_number>"?
15:21<emice>mikegrb: when you stretch, does the top and bottom of the myth interface get cut off?
15:21<mikegrb>no I use the "full" mode on the tv
15:22<emice>my TV isn't here yet but from what I read online a combination of cropping and non-linear stretching is used to make things look somewhat believable..
15:22<mikegrb>it stretches the sides
15:22<mikegrb>there is some stuff in mythtv for 16:9 output but I haven't used it
15:22<mikegrb>emice: yha mine has that too
15:23<emice>I see.. so I should stick to full mode.. I'll have to see how it looks
15:23<emice>or maybe take a peek at the 16:9 code..
15:23<mikegrb>emice: I just prefer full mode, the strectching really isn't that noticeable /especially/ after you have watched for a week or so
15:23<thor_>Chutt, should I assume the lack of killit() calls in backend is just that we don't really care ... if someone's taking down mythbackend, there's little point in cleanly dropping responding threads ?
15:23<mikegrb>if you can get your video card to do 16:9 output especially
15:24<emice>is the stuff for 16:9 in myth ready for release?
15:24<Peit|Home>is there a way of getting the actual command that it runs, i'm running with "/usr/local/bin/mythbackend -v channel,osd" and all i see is "change_channel &"
15:24<emice>I'll probably toy with that
15:24<emice>though then I would assume myth would have to stretch TV images
15:24<emice>using its own algorithm
15:25<emice>if it ran at widescreen resolution at least
15:25<mikegrb>emice: there has been some sort of code for a long while now it has been changed a bit lately
15:25<Peit|Home>i would expect to see "change_channel 30 &" or something similar
15:25<emice>yeah, a lot of people are getting widescreen now..
15:25<Chutt>thor, right
15:26<emice>is there documention on that code anywhere mikegrb?
15:26<Chutt>peit|home, why don't you just set the command to 'echo' for a second :p
15:26<Peit|Home>just echo?
15:26<emice>or would I have to download it and go picking through myself?
15:26<Peit|Home>i get a blank line
15:28<emice>I'm curious how it works.. whether it depends on display the myth interface at a widescreen resolution or if it squishes the interface anamorphically while running at a 4:3 resolution..
15:28<Chutt>then your database isn't setup right or whatnot.
15:29<Peit|Home>2003-12-03 20:40:54 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
15:29<Peit|Home>2003-12-03 20:41:01 External channel change: /bin/echo &
15:29<Peit|Home>2003-12-03 20:41:07 External channel change: /bin/echo &
15:29<Peit|Home>ith a blank line after the second line
15:29<Chutt>it's extremely simple code, dive in
15:30* Peit|Home gets his waders and flotation units
15:30<mikegrb>emice: I'm pretty sure it uses a widescreen resolution
15:30<mikegrb>emice: try some searches of the dev list archives
15:31<Peit|Home>does QString work like sprintf ?
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15:54<hculver>This may be a stupid question, but is there a way to have mythvideo use the decoder of the pvr-350 (what is the mplayer cmd line?).
15:54<hculver>I can certainly use something like mplayer -vo fbdev (but that doesn't use the decoder).
15:54<Peit|Home>hmm, um, channum appears to be empty :(
15:56<chiphead>Chutt, are there any other contexts that can be set in keybindingd besides "Global" and "TV Frontend"?
15:58<Peit|Home>is there a way of telling mythtv to use the channum rather than the freqid when changing channels?
16:00<Chutt>chiphead, of course.
16:00<Chutt>peit|home, err, no, that's the point of having a separate field for it.
16:01<Peit|Home>Chutt: o.k. that was my problem, freqid was empty
16:01<Peit|Home>update channel set freqid=channum; solved that one
16:05<chiphead>chutt, sorry, I guess I was asking in a round-about way... Whay are they? :)
16:06<Chutt>use the stuff i put in mythweb last night
16:06<chiphead>ahhh didnt see the new link on the mythweb sry
16:08<Peit|Home>thanks for your help chutt
16:08<chiphead>chutt so does TV Playback for recordings aswell? I see seperate ones in the jump table
16:13<o_cee>captain_murdoch.. where art thou
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16:13<Chutt>chiphead, i can't answer questions that don't make sense
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16:15<chiphead>well in the jumpoint there is a TV Recording Playback but in bindings there is a TV Playback, so Im asking if the TV playback bindings are for both live tv and recordingsd or for just Live TV? Some dont make sence for recordings, thats why Im asking
16:16<Chutt>they're for both.
16:16<chiphead>ok thx
16:16<Chutt>jumpoints are totally separate, i don't understand why you're bringing those in.
16:16<chiphead>well its on the same page I thought they were related somehow. Sorry for being dence
16:17<isaac_>Chutt: could you do me a quick favour?
16:17<o_cee>Chutt: have you got the new per show preroll and the new shcedule stuff under control? trying to figure out how to handle conflicts and stuff like that in the statuspage.. when there's a delay in a recording because something else is recording on the same channel (the preroll gets ignored) things doesn't look good..
16:18<o_cee>would be better if i could get a _real_ recording starttime
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16:27<o_cee>btw, i changed the fontsize in the theme as you suggested.. but with that size, i had to remove the logo on the left side and move the menu there (and making it wider)..
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16:52<o_cee>is table 'jumppoints' supposed to be empty in the db?
16:53<o_cee>makes it hard for mythweb to get a hostname..
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17:23<o_cee>Chutt: care to shed some light?
17:24* kvandivo shines his flashlight in o_cee's eyes.
17:25<steelep>bright idea
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17:25<kvandivo>can you see it now?........ Good..
17:26<o_cee>i can't see shit now
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17:34<Chutt>yes, the jumppoints table should have stuff in it.
17:35<o_cee>mines are all empty?
17:35<Chutt>mine's not.
17:36<kvandivo>nor are mine
17:37<o_cee>from where are they filled the first time? mythfrontend? that'd explain it since it's not running since i rebuild
17:37<o_cee>okay, i'll check it out tomorrow instead then :) turned off the tv for the night
17:38<o_cee>maybe i should use a more narrow font for the theme.. would make space for more text that way.. think verdana is pretty wide
17:39<kvandivo>question for anyone interested in offering input.. I'm putting the finishing touches on some code that will add a button to the 'delete program' popup box that can be used for deleting programs that were recorded incorrectly (ie., the ballgame ran over, the station changed the schedule, etc) which indicates that the program should be deleted, but it should also be eligible to be recorded the next time that it shows up.
17:40<kvandivo>essentially, it will delete it, and remove entries from the oldrecorded table (via the forgetHistory function that sent the patch for yesterday)
17:40<kvandivo>Right now, I'm calling the button "Yes, wrong show recorded" or something like that. anyone have a suggestion for better wording?
17:40<o_cee>what screen is this on?
17:41<kvandivo>the 'delete program' popup box
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17:42<o_cee>don't really understand what the difference is..? when deleting a recorded program, the schedule isn't touched, is it?
17:42<kvandivo>by default, myth only records a show once. once it has recorded it, it will never record it again, if it has the same title/subtitle/description
17:43<kvandivo>but in the case of a wrong recording this is not the desired behavior
17:44<o_cee>"Incorrectly recorded"
17:44<Peit|Home>forget show?
17:44<kvandivo>'forget show' would be a bit too nebulous for a user that doesn't already know what it means
17:45<o_cee>this applies when using "reord this show at any time"? not a fixed timeslot?
17:45<kvandivo>doesn't matter, actually
17:45<o_cee>when will it b erecorded if it was supposed to be at that time then?
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17:45<kvandivo>the next time it happens to be on
17:45<o_cee>on that time.. allright :)
17:45<Peit|Home>who looks after/maintains mythweb these days,
17:46<o_cee>chris petersen
17:46<o_cee>what about "Incorrectly recorded" then?
17:46<Peit|Home>does he come on irc?
17:47<o_cee>makes sense now ;)
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17:51<o_cee>changing the font in the menu to 'Impact' was actually a good idea. no problem fitting large translations now
17:51<Peit|Home>if something is recording, yet i change the setting that tells mythbackend to record x mins past the end of the show, will it take effect?
17:51<o_cee>and i can probably go even higher than 26 in size
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17:53<o_cee>weh, now the keybindings works :)
17:53<o_cee>this looks awesome!
17:57<o_cee>only thing is that i wish i could change the EPG to switch channel on Enter instead of having to patch it all the time
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18:08<jeffpc>2003-12-03 14:00:02 Started recording "Star Trek: The Next Generation" on channel: 2041 on cardid: 2, sourceid 2
18:08<jeffpc>2003-12-03 14:00:02 Changing from None to RecordingOnly
18:08<jeffpc>2003-12-03 15:00:00 Changing from RecordingOnly to None
18:08<jeffpc>2003-12-03 15:00:00 Found changes in the todo list.
18:08<jeffpc>it was supposed to record another episode of ST:TNG at 15:00
18:09<jeffpc>and then it says something about recording ST:TNG at 17:42:20....
18:09<jeffpc>but there was no episode of ST:TNG at that time
18:09<jeffpc>delayed reaction?
18:10<jeffpc>btw, I started up the frontend at 16:20
18:10<thor_>eh ?
18:11<jeffpc>oh, and yesterday, it also recorded only the 14:00 episode and not the 15:00
18:11<jeffpc>and I had the frontend on
18:11<o_cee>something wrong with your schedule
18:12<jeffpc>what do you mean? that the DB is changing on me?
18:13<o_cee>that you set it up wrong somehow?
18:13<jeffpc>I didn't...debian did :-D
18:14<jeffpc>that was with 0.11...but I made my own CVS .debs on monday
18:14<jeffpc>and it is still happening...
18:14<jeffpc>is there a way to check the DB integrity?
18:15<josephk_>Chutt: which fan was it that you were looking for?
18:16<dja_>quick question in case anyone has any ideas: about once/week my mythbackend "doesn't let go" of /dev/video1 after a recording. The 6544 status page says it's not recording anything, but "Watch TV" returns "MythTV is already..." (I can watch the recorded shows)...ideas? should I go away and post the list instead? :-)
18:17<josephk_>Reboot during a time you're not recording...and post to the list
18:17<josephk_>or should I say restart the backend
18:18<o_cee>thor_: did you look at doing a clock thingie?
18:18<josephk_>or as Chutt would say...go away
18:18<thor_>o_cee, not as such
18:18<thor_>nor the date sensitve icons
18:19<o_cee>not even sure how i'd use it
18:19<dja_>restarting the back end fixes it...the odd thing it isn't "locked up", just the video portion...oh well, I'll post to the list (and crawl back under my rock -- sorry :-)
18:19<thor_>but I have written a new post it note !
18:19<o_cee>weh :) prioritize clock if you ask me ;)
18:19<thor_>post note now has numbers
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18:24<o_cee>kvandivo: got time to try the fixes i made for 6544?
18:24<o_cee>still not doing preroll per recording, and somewhat untested, but shouldn't be any problems
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18:40<Peit|Home>is there a key to the icons by the recorded shows?
18:41<Peit|Home>ie what the $ with the red ring and bar through it means
18:41<o_cee>there's is a comercial cutlist
18:41<o_cee>look at the filenames, that's the easiest way
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18:45<jeffpc>is there a way to clear the autoexpire flag?
18:45<jeffpc>without touching the db directly?
18:46<jeffpc>I don't want Star Trek to disappear
18:46<Chutt>hit i on the watch recordings screen.
18:52<o_cee> <-- would that work on a skin?
18:54<o_cee> sweet
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18:56<_Nero_>I'm not sure I understand mythtranscode too well. I just recorded a 30 minute show, MPEG2 @ 6000-8000 bitrate. The resulting file was about a gig. I then transcoded it to mpeg4 @ 2200 bitrate. I ended up with a 1.6gb file, and the quality was terrible. I am not sure what happened. I was under the impression that 2200 bitrate mpeg4 would be smaller than a 6000 bitrate mpeg2..
18:58<DogBoy>was the orinal noisy?
18:59<thor_>only when I was peeing in it
18:59<thor_>HA HA HA
18:59<_Nero_>no.. it was actually very clear..
19:01<jeffpc>Chutt: thanks
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19:02<_Nero_>is there any way to transcode, and keep the original file for comparison??
19:04<jeffpc>ok, let's 20:00 it is supposed to record ST:TNG, and at 21:00 it is supposed to record U-571
19:04<Peit|Home>_Nero_: did you transcode the already transcoded file?
19:04<jeffpc>back to back, different channels
19:05<jeffpc>I didn't restart the backend...(that normally fixes it but only for one recording)
19:05<_Nero_>Peit- no.. I transcoded the mpeg2
19:05<Peit|Home>as for keeping it, you could cp it out to another directory, or perhaps add a hardlink,..
19:05<_Nero_>ahhhh... I think I know the problem..
19:06<_Nero_>I set up the mpeg4/rjpeg to do mpeg4.. mpeg2 profile was still set on rjpeg..
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19:10<jeffpc>hmmm...lost connection to the backend
19:22<_Nero_>what database table contains the cutlist info?
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19:46<o_cee>still no murdoch :/
19:47<_Nero_>strange.. when I delete a recording, it doesnt delete the file from my recordings directory.
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19:49<kslater>Anyone here using a VIA EPIA? I have a question..
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20:09<emice>hey what would the minimum processor requirements be for a MythTV box with a PVR-250?
20:09<emice>I have 566 celeron here and it is chopping up trying to do LiveTV on a WinTV PCI
20:10<emice>even with rtjpeg quality low and doing 160x160 pixel live capture
20:10<emice>so it is fuzzy and choppy now..
20:10<o_cee>"There's no guide data availible! You need to run mythfilldatabase!" great :) that was another thing on my list to get fixed on 6544. weh :)
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20:10<_Nero_>emice- sounds to me like you are having write speed trouble.. what kind of hard drive you running? UDMA?
20:11<o_cee>Chutt: you want a diff for it? some other stuff as well, but there will be more.. need to fix the per recording preroll stuff
20:11<emice>hrmm.. not sure..
20:11<_Nero_>I have an athlon 2600+ (much faster than yours) but recording mpeg2 720x480, I am lucky if I see 3% of my processor in use.
20:11<emice>I tried using hdparm
20:11<emice>to enable dma
20:11<emice>and my kernel log showed DMA
20:11<emice>but still the choppiness
20:11<o_cee>lots of noise
20:11<_Nero_>what does hdparm -i /dev/hda (or whatever your drive is) say?
20:12<_Nero_>(the lines for dma and or udma modes that is)
20:12<emice>just did that
20:12<emice>DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 *udma4 udma5
20:13<_Nero_>humm.. what does top say when you are viewing? (do you have a seperate machine you can SSH in with??)
20:13<emice>yeah I can do that
20:14<_Nero_>(right now I am watching live tv.. top says I am 98.7% idle..
20:15<emice>what TV card are you using?
20:15<_Nero_>Hauppauge PVR-250
20:15<emice>I am using software encoding.. I have a WinTV PCI in there now
20:15<_Nero_>that is your problem then.. (thought I read you were using a PVR-250)
20:15<emice>but I was wondering if a PVR-250 would work on that same setup
20:15<emice>the 566
20:16<emice>the software encoding stinks on a 566
20:16<_Nero_>I would guess it should..
20:16<emice>yeah.. I will put a PVR-250 in I guess..
20:16<_Nero_>mythbackend is currently using 0.4% of my processor.. bascially uses almost no processor to record with an mpeg2 card.
20:16<emice>though if I get digital cable
20:17<_Nero_>though I'm not sure you will be able to play back.. :-/
20:17<emice>the PVR-250 will not work with it.. so that'd be a waste.. does mythv support digital cable?
20:17<_Nero_>why will the PVR250 not work with it??
20:18<emice>it uses a separate tuner
20:18<emice>in a box
20:18<_Nero_>I am using my PVR250 with a DirecTV satalite receiver..
20:18<_Nero_>then you just have to set up lirc to change the channels for you :)
20:18<emice>how would the pvr250 tune into a channel?
20:18<emice>with an ir emitter?
20:18<_Nero_>yup, or a serial transmitter if your cable box supports it..
20:19<emice>ahh.. makes sense
20:19<_Nero_>I am using an ir blaster (very simple circuit- cost me about 75 cents to build) and it works great.
20:19<_Nero_>(my cheapie directv box has no low speed data interface)
20:22<emice>nice.. after the pvr-250, next thing will be to see how mythtv acts in widescreen resolution
20:22<emice>I want to output to DVI
20:22<_Nero_>cant help you on that one.. I just have a lowly Sony Trinitron TV.. :)
20:23<_Nero_>you might want to considder a bit quicker processor eventually.. the mpeg2 files from the PVR250 take up quite a bit of space (to get good quality).. so having some processor speed to do transcoding is a nice thing.
20:24<jeffpc>can I stop a scheduled recording before it finishes without deleting the recorded file?
20:24<emice>yeah.. once the budget allows
20:25<_Nero_>jeffpc- yes
20:25<jeffpc>_Nero_: how?
20:25<_Nero_>just go to "watch recordings" select the recording from that screen, and hit "i"
20:25<_Nero_>it will bring up a screen that will ask if you want to stop recording
20:25<jeffpc>let me guess..."i" in "watch recordings" is really special?
20:25<jeffpc>and useful
20:26<_Nero_>I have found it useful :)
20:26<_Nero_>It would be nice to have an option to stop recording while watching (if recording and watching at the same time).
20:27<_Nero_>Just a warning- I have found that on longish recordings, it will sometimes freeze my system up to stop the recording manually.. I suspect (as do others) that it is an ivtv issue.
20:27<jeffpc>I don't use ivtv
20:28<_Nero_>then you shouldnt have any problems :)
20:28<jeffpc>but the backend is blowing up
20:28<_Nero_>when you tried to stop it?
20:28<jeffpc>just when I do just about anything
20:29<jeffpc>sometimes, "view recordings" freezes
20:29<jeffpc>and without restarting the backend, it is impossible to do anything
20:29<_Nero_>humm.. any output from the backend?
20:30<jeffpc>just switching from None to None, I think...
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20:30<jeffpc>it is Monday's CVS
20:30<jeffpc>I have to make new packages...
20:30<_Nero_>not sure.. I am running 0.12.
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20:31<jeffpc>I used 0.11 before
20:31<jeffpc>some things got fixed when I switched, but others showed up
20:36<_Nero_>humm.. is there a reason manualy scheduled recordings dont show up in the scheduled recordings screen?
20:40<o_cee>Chutt: diff sent, got time to look at it now? if not, i'll go to bed now
20:46* o_cee is away: zZz
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20:54<Lenolium>jeffpc: I'm glad I'm not the only one without problems with mythtv
20:56<jeffpc>well, I like MythTV, so I'll do two things, try to live with some of those problems using workarounds, and I'll try to make a patch once in a while... :-)
20:57<Lenolium>I want to like mythtv, but it has me defeated.
20:58<thor_>Lenolium, still with the sound problems ?
20:59<Lenolium>thor_: I think the problem is actually on the backend, dmesg fills up with errors about bttv0: skipped frame/etc
21:00<thor_>how are you doing audio on the backend, btaudio or sound card capture ?
21:01<Lenolium>thor_: sound card capture.
21:01<thor_>ok ... is there a frontend on the backend machine ?
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21:01<Lenolium>thor_: Yes.
21:02<thor_>and if you fire that up, what do you get ?
21:02<Lenolium>thor_: With, or without the backend?
21:03<thor_>with the backend running
21:05<Lenolium>thor_: Gives me the same audio buffer overflow like when I'm running the frontend on a seperate machine... I think I'm not getting video (it's always a black screen)
21:06<thor_>so audio is the cuplrit
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21:08<thor_>(black screen)
21:08<Lenolium>bttv0: skipped frame. no signal? high irq latency? <-- even with that error?
21:10<thor_>well ....
21:10<thor_>have you tried the xawtv | arecord test on debugging audio in the docs ?
21:10<thor_>that's the best way to narrow things down ...
21:11<thor_>just back up one sec though
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21:11<thor_>does xawtv work on its own on the backend ?
21:11<Lenolium>Yup, works great
21:11<thor_>ok, so try the audio test
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21:15<Lenolium>will do...
21:16<Chutt>did you ever make the tuner card not share irqs with everything else on your machine?
21:17<Lenolium>Chutt: havn't rebooted yet, will try that next.
21:17<Chutt>seeing as that's probably it, try that first.
21:20<thor_>Chutt, in copying the pool stuff from mythbackend .... I guess I don't really understand re-entrancy .... you only have to protect from internal data (inside the class, if you like) not variables declared in a method, even if there's only one instance of the object ...
21:21<thor_>(I think that's a yes or no question)
21:22<thor_>time to take out a bunch of mutex's :-)
21:22<Chutt>you only have to protect data that's shared, so class member variables
21:22<Chutt>stuff defined in functions is always local
21:23<thor_>and even then, you only have to protect changes, not reads ?
21:23<Chutt>technically, you should lock reads
21:23<Chutt>it's not necessary quite often, though
21:24<thor_>well, that makes life simpler
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21:45<thor_>and the only reason you need that readReady.lock() is cause your sockets are being driven off the QT event loop, yes ?
21:47<thor_>scratch that, I don't think you need that readReady lock
21:47<Chutt>yeah, i think that's a carryover from an older revision of the code
21:47<thor_>it's not locked anywhere else ...
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21:57<thor_>which brings me to my next question .... is locking/unlocking a mutex expensive ?
21:58<Chutt>it's not super expensive
21:58<Chutt>but it's not completely free
22:00<Chutt>so don't worry about it unless you're doing it a few thousand times a second :p
22:04<thor_><vector> preferred to QValueVector
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