| --- | Log | opened Fri Dec 05 00:00:30 2003 |
| 00:04 | <topgun98> | billytwowilly: well, that's not really an option for us due to physical limitations |
| 00:05 | <topgun98> | I don't really need to stream it anyway |
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| 00:13 | | * kvandivo wonders who is on right now. |
| 00:15 | <dopez> | i am, sorta.. |
| 00:15 | <topgun98> | not I. |
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| 00:22 | <thor_> | bah |
| 00:24 | <kvandivo> | do remoteutil functions _need_ QStringLists returned? What if I just want to fire and forget a command to the backend? |
| 00:24 | <thor_> | boy I hope that's not a question for me ? |
| 00:26 | <kvandivo> | i'll let anyone that wants to answer it answer it. :) |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | kvandivo, naw, they don't need it, i just made most of em wait for a return |
| 00:27 | <kvandivo> | i'm not picky, as long as the answer is guaranteed to be correct |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | and i only exported sendreceivestringlist =) |
| 00:27 | <kvandivo> | i'm adding a FORGET_RECORDING command and it doesn't really need to return anything |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | eh, just make it be the same |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | queries like that don't take that long |
| 00:28 | <kvandivo> | ok. can do.. i'll just send back an empty stringlist, then |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | well, send back _something_ |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | 'ok' or whatnot |
| 00:29 | <kvandivo> | fair enough.. how about zero, to indicate correctness. :) |
| 00:29 | <kvandivo> | i'll dig.. maybe i can uncover an error condition somewhere i can return non zero for.. ;) |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | whatever, really |
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| 01:02 | <Chutt> | xmltv is broken!@! |
| 01:02 | <Chutt> | wait! |
| 01:02 | <Chutt> | i know! |
| 01:02 | <Chutt> | i'll email the several thousand people on the mythtv lists! |
| 01:02 | <Chutt> | that'll get me an answer quicker than visiting the xmltv website! |
| 01:02 | <ChaosExiguum> | lol |
| 01:02 | <dopez> | sounds like a plan :) |
| 01:02 | <thor_> | 0.5.23 |
| 01:03 | <thor_> | it's in incoming |
| 01:03 | <Chutt> | they're up to .24 now :p |
| 01:03 | <thor_> | crap |
| 01:03 | <Chutt> | nothing to do with tv_grab_na, though |
| 01:03 | <dopez> | im still using 0.5.19 i think :) |
| 01:03 | | * thor_ thinks dopez is not in North America |
| 01:03 | <ChaosExiguum> | guessing your not in na then :o) |
| 01:03 | <dopez> | indeed |
| 01:04 | <thor_> | Can mythbackend be run on a system without kde? |
| 01:04 | <thor_> | I mean ... |
| 01:05 | <thor_> | how do you even begin? |
| 01:05 | <ChaosExiguum> | yea |
| 01:05 | | * thor_ sighs |
| 01:05 | <thor_> | ... back to work |
| 01:06 | <thor_> | heh |
| 01:07 | <thor_> | this is hilarious --> http://www.sco.com/copyright/ |
| 01:07 | <thor_> | (from /.) |
| 01:08 | <thor_> | and bad grammar to boot |
| 01:10 | -!- | vax is now known as vax_ |
| 01:11 | <robbie> | i got a copy of sco server to take to linuxconf.au next year for a ritual burning |
| 01:12 | <kvandivo> | wow.. it violates the constitution.. you go, GPL! |
| 01:15 | <thor_> | Jefferson isn't rolling in his grave, he's just shaking his head from side to side and chuckling |
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| 01:19 | <ChaosExiguum> | gotta love sco, keeping that positive outlook :-P |
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| 01:30 | <kvandivo> | just got a 'select: Bad file descriptor' on frontend stdout at some point while watching a recording.. |
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| 01:36 | <Chutt> | ah, just a warning to people using cvs |
| 01:37 | <Chutt> | i didn't test the change i just committed, so key bindings in video watching may be a tad broken |
| 01:37 | <topgun98> | heheh |
| 01:37 | <kvandivo> | ahh.. fair nuff.. |
| 01:37 | <thor_> | heh |
| 01:37 | <topgun98> | what does Debian/unstable use? |
| 01:38 | <topgun98> | cvs snapshots? |
| 01:38 | <Chutt> | err |
| 01:38 | <Chutt> | in what respect? |
| 01:38 | <thor_> | eh? |
| 01:38 | <topgun98> | I meant, do they wait for a release, or use snapshots |
| 01:38 | <Chutt> | there aren't any mythtv packages in debian unstable. |
| 01:38 | <topgun98> | ahh, you're right |
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| 01:40 | <thor_> | Chutt, my current fix for "play child" in mythvideo is pretty weak, but to fix it properly, I need to change the table a bit ... which means I have to finally figure out how the automagic table updating is done ... what's the ETA on 0.13 (ie. how much time do I have) ? |
| 01:41 | <Chutt> | mid next week or so |
| 01:41 | <thor_> | k |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | maybe a little earlier, maybe a little later |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 01:42 | <thor_> | I'll try and deal with it this weekend (and play with the key bindings stuff) |
| 01:43 | <Chutt> | cool. |
| 01:43 | <Netslayer> | .13 is next week. cool next weekend i'm setting up a new box. maybe i'll just use cvs |
| 01:45 | <Netslayer> | cvs at the same time of a version release is relatively the same right |
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| 01:46 | <thor_> | before the next commit, yes |
| 01:46 | <thor_> | except the release code base goes for extensive QA |
| 01:46 | <thor_> | (heh) |
| 01:47 | <Netslayer> | u being sarcastic? |
| 01:47 | <Netslayer> | u guys don't actually reformat a spare box and test out each version do you heh |
| 01:48 | <Chutt> | hell no |
| 01:48 | <Netslayer> | didn't think so |
| 01:48 | <thor_> | absolutely |
| 01:49 | <kvandivo> | we reformat _two_ boxes! just to be sure |
| 01:49 | <Netslayer> | heh |
| 01:49 | <topgun98> | is mythbrowser in working condition? |
| 01:49 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 01:49 | <billytwowilly> | hehe. now I know why you haven't released a 1.0 yet;) actually requires testing. |
| 01:49 | <Netslayer> | well i'm using a ~.12 cvs, it hasn't crashed yet on me, so i'm really happy with stability nowadays |
| 01:50 | <Netslayer> | in MythNews is there an ability to make a news article go fullscreen, not just in that little window at the top i can't read? |
| 01:50 | <thor_> | sure |
| 01:50 | <Chutt> | most rss feeds don't contain much text. |
| 01:51 | <thor_> | ... just write a bit of code ... |
| 01:51 | <thor_> | :-) |
| 01:51 | <topgun98> | what's it coded in C or C++? |
| 01:51 | <Netslayer> | ya well the whole point is to read news, and i can't read it heh |
| 01:52 | <thor_> | no, to read news _headlines_ |
| 01:52 | <thor_> | topgun98, C++ |
| 01:52 | <topgun98> | Netslayer: then disable the plugin until you finish the addon for it =] |
| 01:52 | <thor_> | that's the spirit |
| 01:52 | <Netslayer> | heh, just curious if i was missing something |
| 01:52 | <Netslayer> | i have to try mythbrowser one of these days |
| 01:53 | <topgun98> | the RSS feeds contain a 'full article' URL of some sort in nearly every case, so I doubt it would be hard to make that work with mythbrowser... |
| 01:53 | <topgun98> | of course, it may already do that, as I haven't setup my mythTV yet |
| 01:53 | <Netslayer> | that reminds me, when was that feature added that shows icons for different types of records in watch recordings? i emerged 12 on my laptop and noticed it has that |
| 01:54 | <topgun98> | if mythtv is coded in C++, I'll see if I can't make mythnews work with mythbrowser or something |
| 01:54 | <topgun98> | after I get it up and running, of course |
| 01:55 | <topgun98> | I'm still waiting on my 160gb drive and a slimline DVD drive |
| 01:55 | <topgun98> | my mom has been asking for a Tivo, so this will be her xmas gift, heheh |
| 01:56 | <topgun98> | I'll have to build one of my own once I move off to college, if it's any good |
| 01:56 | <topgun98> | and it looks DAMN good =] |
| 01:56 | <topgun98> | has anyone tried writing a mail client yet? |
| 01:56 | <billytwowilly> | It's good. And it's getting better. |
| 01:57 | <Netslayer> | do u think having a set of 4 disk drives on raid5 with a timeout -> standby will be a problem for mythtv? aka when it requests access to write to my drives it will take em a few secs to turn on.. should post this on the list. hmm |
| 01:57 | <thor_> | topgun98, just curiosity here, please don't take it the wrong way, if you have yet to actually install myth anywhere, how did you hear about this IRC channel? |
| 01:57 | <Netslayer> | i couldn't live without mythtv anymore, it grows on you |
| 01:58 | <topgun98> | thor_: I've been using freenode for a long, long time... I idle in #debian and just randomly tried #mythtv to see if it existed =]. |
| 01:58 | <thor_> | ah |
| 01:58 | <thor_> | just curious |
| 01:59 | <topgun98> | is that not how most people find it? |
| 01:59 | <topgun98> | jk... but I would seriously think there is alot of overlap. |
| 01:59 | <Netslayer> | i never did until now.. think it was discussed on the list |
| 02:00 | <topgun98> | I'm gonna try to write mythmail if mythtv works out for me |
| 02:01 | <Netslayer> | interesting idea |
| 02:01 | <billytwowilly> | topgun98: write mythsms, a program that sms's my phone when a program I flagged is about to start. |
| 02:02 | <Netslayer> | one thing i'm looking forward to.. well it would be nice ... mythradio or mythmusic with internet music stream support. Think I read that has been worked on, have to go back and see |
| 02:02 | <topgun98> | alright, that sounds like a good idea |
| 02:02 | <topgun98> | but it'd be dependant on another project |
| 02:02 | <thor_> | Netslayer, there is a patch that worked .... |
| 02:02 | <Netslayer> | past tense? or just not updated |
| 02:03 | <thor_> | escapes me now |
| 02:03 | <Netslayer> | dang i really should make a new theme for myth, customized mine a lot but why not heh |
| 02:03 | <thor_> | Chutt, sorry ... do you know the status of that streaming stuff for mythmusic? |
| 02:03 | <Chutt> | sfr's stuff? |
| 02:03 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 02:03 | <thor_> | yup |
| 02:04 | <topgun98> | I just need to make a list of stuff that shold be writen and sort it by what I want the most |
| 02:04 | <topgun98> | any other ideas? |
| 02:04 | <Netslayer> | heh |
| 02:04 | <billytwowilly> | topgun98: Check out the thread on the mythtv-users list. |
| 02:04 | <thor_> | mythStarbucksLocator |
| 02:04 | <thor_> | definitely |
| 02:04 | <Chutt> | yeah, there was lots of horrible ideas posted recently |
| 02:04 | <topgun98> | lol |
| 02:05 | <Netslayer> | gosh |
| 02:05 | <topgun98> | was it a joke? |
| 02:05 | <thor_> | if I move my TV three feet to the left, has it changed ? |
| 02:05 | <Netslayer> | heh |
| 02:05 | <thor_> | oh, and integration with WindexBlaster |
| 02:05 | <topgun98> | have any of you guys used a mini itx board? |
| 02:06 | <Octane> | hi guys |
| 02:06 | <thor_> | via board? |
| 02:06 | <Netslayer> | oh ic those little icons at the bottom of watch recordings are just available in blue theme, i'm using purple galaxy :-( |
| 02:06 | <topgun98> | yeah |
| 02:06 | <topgun98> | with mythtv |
| 02:06 | <Octane> | im doing a fresh install with my old epox board. should i have acpi enabled? |
| 02:06 | <Netslayer> | i think acpi is generaly for laptops |
| 02:06 | <Netslayer> | don't see any reason for desktops |
| 02:06 | <Octane> | yah thats my feelings |
| 02:06 | <Chutt> | my mini-itx will be back on tomorrow |
| 02:07 | <Chutt> | replacement fan's finally getting here |
| 02:07 | <thor_> | VIA sent me one in the mail |
| 02:07 | <topgun98> | really? |
| 02:07 | <topgun98> | that's cool |
| 02:07 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 02:07 | <Chutt> | i blew off via |
| 02:08 | <thor_> | largely of off Chutt's work :-) |
| 02:08 | <Chutt> | thor, the guy sent me the source to the mpeg decoder libs and stuff, and said 'don't distribute this' |
| 02:08 | <billytwowilly> | Chutt: Why? that'd be a cool box. |
| 02:08 | <Chutt> | so i said 'that's utterly useless to me then' |
| 02:08 | <thor_> | poison |
| 02:08 | <thor_> | I mean, you're totally tainted |
| 02:08 | <billytwowilly> | so now you can't even write your own because you've seen the source.. |
| 02:08 | <Netslayer> | what does the hammer and book (the icons) mean in watch recordings? rip is pretty obvious |
| 02:08 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 02:08 | <Chutt> | he sent that after i did the cle266 stuff that's already in mythtv |
| 02:09 | <Chutt> | and after i decided not to work on it anymore, since it's pretty pointless now that i have a pvr-350 in there |
| 02:09 | <topgun98> | hah |
| 02:09 | <thor_> | did he say "don't distribute this", wink wink nudge nudge ? |
| 02:09 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 02:09 | <thor_> | ugggg |
| 02:10 | <Chutt> | he said 'i really should have you sign an nda first, but i'm going to let that slide since you've already done most of the work' |
| 02:10 | <Chutt> | so i'm clear and stuff :p |
| 02:10 | <CyberKne2> | to what avail? |
| 02:10 | <thor_> | but he sent you the source in an e-mail ? |
| 02:10 | <Chutt> | he didn't actually get to the mpeg decoder bits |
| 02:10 | <Octane> | alright guys |
| 02:10 | <Chutt> | that was going to be in the next email |
| 02:10 | <Octane> | im gonna time my mythtv install |
| 02:10 | <Octane> | :D |
| 02:11 | <Octane> | start 2:11 |
| 02:11 | <thor_> | anything happen with WGBH ? |
| 02:11 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 02:11 | <Chutt> | haven't had time to email em |
| 02:11 | <Chutt> | want to spend more than a couple minutes on it, etc |
| 02:11 | <thor_> | ah |
| 02:12 | | * kvandivo yawns softly. |
| 02:12 | <thor_> | anyone tried to track you down re: Comdex January ? |
| 02:12 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 02:13 | <thor_> | hmmm |
| 02:13 | <thor_> | I suspect there will probably be a bunch more people screaming "media convergence" and demo-ing myth boxes |
| 02:14 | <thor_> | (sigh) |
| 02:15 | <kvandivo> | Netslayer: hammer means that commercial skip detection is in progress, and book means that a bookmark has been set for the recording. i wonder if that is in the docs anywhere.. |
| 02:15 | <thor_> | anyone know when the next Comdex after January is ? |
| 02:15 | <CyberKne2> | Is there a lot of commercial interest in Myth? |
| 02:15 | -!- | CyberKne2 is now known as CyberKnet |
| 02:15 | <thor_> | not as such |
| 02:16 | <Chutt> | i get rather amusing emails from people wanting to sell boxes every now and then |
| 02:16 | <thor_> | but mom and pop stuff, no? |
| 02:16 | <Chutt> | pretty much |
| 02:16 | <thor_> | any word on how the Italian venture is doing? |
| 02:16 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 02:16 | <CyberKnet> | amusing because they don't need your permission, or ? |
| 02:17 | <Chutt> | because most of em are very funny =) |
| 02:17 | <topgun98> | MythAnsweringMachine? MythDVDDatabase? MythKaraoke? what the heck? |
| 02:17 | <CyberKnet> | my mistake =) |
| 02:17 | <Chutt> | topgun98, 'lots of horrible ideas' |
| 02:17 | <thor_> | MythWalmartRadar ! |
| 02:17 | <CyberKnet> | MythMakeMyCoffee |
| 02:17 | <topgun98> | lol |
| 02:18 | <topgun98> | well, a home automation tool could be kind of cool |
| 02:18 | <CyberKnet> | actually, you know what a buddy of mine did, is create a voice interface to a bunch of the programs he uses regularly... but I don't imagine that would be easy. |
| 02:18 | <topgun98> | but screw that kind of stuff until MythTV is funny outfitted with the finest *related* apps |
| 02:18 | <topgun98> | heh |
| 02:19 | <thor_> | Chutt, never any probe from Apple ? |
| 02:19 | <CyberKnet> | but he wrote for windows and just used the TAPI interface. |
| 02:19 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 02:19 | <Chutt> | kvandivo, patch looks good, i'll try to get it merged in tomorrow |
| 02:19 | <Octane> | lol |
| 02:20 | <thor_> | Octane, ? |
| 02:20 | <Octane> | MythKaraoke, when i read that |
| 02:20 | <Octane> | every one of his ideas was worse |
| 02:20 | <Octane> | and then it got to mythkaraoke |
| 02:20 | <topgun98> | can you imagine what MythP2P would be like? |
| 02:20 | <topgun98> | 3 years per show |
| 02:20 | <Octane> | topgun98 it wont |
| 02:20 | <Chutt> | other than highly illegal? |
| 02:20 | <Octane> | lol |
| 02:20 | <thor_> | well .... |
| 02:20 | <thor_> | not for content |
| 02:21 | <topgun98> | I mean... if 802.11b isn't fast enough... |
| 02:21 | <thor_> | but for collaborative filtering |
| 02:22 | <thor_> | (yes, yes, I know ... I keep bringing this up without any sense of how to actually do it) |
| 02:22 | <CyberKnet> | the only communication between myth boxes I'd like to see (other than master/slave) is viewing statistics to make show recommendations. And the privacy aspect of that is difficult enough that it would probably never work anyway. |
| 02:22 | <Chutt> | i'd be much happier with a central server for that |
| 02:22 | <topgun98> | why do people want MythP2P when they could just run a FastTrack client from their remote? |
| 02:22 | <Octane> | that is a really cool idea CyberKnet |
| 02:22 | <thor_> | Chutt, you're fired |
| 02:22 | <thor_> | :-) |
| 02:22 | <Octane> | my cdrom makes such loud noises when it spins |
| 02:23 | <kvandivo> | Chutt: cool.. it can be a handy feature |
| 02:23 | <CyberKnet> | Octane: people much smarter than me have thought about the problem and not come up with a good solution... |
| 02:23 | <kvandivo> | i tried to follow the existing conventions in mainserver as much as i could |
| 02:23 | <CyberKnet> | FWIW, I'd contribute my viewing habits. |
| 02:23 | <topgun98> | have you guys heard of iRATE? |
| 02:23 | <topgun98> | just apply that to this... |
| 02:23 | <topgun98> | it's a damn cool idea |
| 02:24 | <thor_> | enlighten us |
| 02:24 | <Chutt> | kvandivo, oh, i was going to combine those two functions |
| 02:24 | <Octane> | my zen's software has a central server for IEEE stats |
| 02:24 | <topgun98> | too tired, sorry |
| 02:24 | <Octane> | lol |
| 02:24 | <topgun98> | basically |
| 02:24 | <Octane> | it sends a server the average speed of your ieee |
| 02:25 | <Octane> | so if that has, surely mythtv could us that |
| 02:25 | <Octane> | use* |
| 02:25 | <kvandivo> | Chutt: i had them combined... :) and was looking at everything else there and figured it would match existing convention the most if split them out. :) |
| 02:25 | <CyberKnet> | I have a really stupid problem with MythWeb that I know is my fault and a configuration issue, but I cant figure out why. Does anyone know where I might go read about it other than the std. documentation? I've read right through it. |
| 02:25 | <kvandivo> | guess i need to just start coding it the way i think it should be and let the chips fall where they may |
| 02:25 | <Chutt> | stuff's split if there's a need to call it the other way |
| 02:25 | <topgun98> | it's a client that lets the user listen to free music, rate it, and then based on a fairly advanced algorithm, iRATE sends the user music exactly according it his/her taste. |
| 02:26 | <kvandivo> | at any rate, i'm going to bed.. _way_ past my bedtime. |
| 02:26 | <topgun98> | I can't explain it as well as the site does |
| 02:26 | <topgun98> | later |
| 02:26 | <CyberKnet> | nite kvandivo |
| 02:26 | <Octane> | kvandivo stay up until i finish installing my new mythtv box |
| 02:27 | <thor_> | this whole central server thing raises the hairs on the back of my neck |
| 02:27 | <Octane> | why thor_ |
| 02:27 | <thor_> | who owns it ? |
| 02:27 | <Chutt> | me! |
| 02:27 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 02:27 | <thor_> | yeah |
| 02:27 | <thor_> | I know |
| 02:27 | <Octane> | well put the server in a park |
| 02:28 | <thor_> | but Chutt, you can't own it |
| 02:28 | <Chutt> | i don't like the distributed idea because it's too easy to abuse |
| 02:28 | <Chutt> | oh, yeah, i can't |
| 02:28 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 02:28 | <topgun98> | it will never happen |
| 02:28 | <thor_> | not with sig's against IP's and a notion of gradual trust |
| 02:28 | <topgun98> | it's not worth worrying about |
| 02:29 | <thor_> | certs |
| 02:29 | <topgun98> | it seems more worthwhile to write apps that are of immediate use |
| 02:29 | <topgun98> | like mythmail =] |
| 02:29 | <Octane> | okay my fedora install just crashed. i hate my dvdrom |
| 02:29 | <Octane> | im sorry but i think mythmail is silly |
| 02:29 | <topgun98> | fair enough |
| 02:30 | <Octane> | come on, you gotta draw the line b/w pvr software and an o/s |
| 02:30 | <Chutt> | i dunno, a message center would be useful |
| 02:30 | <thor_> | yes |
| 02:30 | <topgun98> | webtv has it... why not mythtv |
| 02:30 | <Chutt> | 'Hey, you're running out of guide data!' |
| 02:30 | <Octane> | i like my idea |
| 02:30 | <Octane> | you guys read my idea on the list? |
| 02:30 | <thor_> | but who owns it ? |
| 02:30 | <Octane> | MythIRC |
| 02:30 | <topgun98> | haha |
| 02:30 | <Octane> | so you can talk to people watching the same show |
| 02:30 | <CyberKnet> | Now there's a crazy idea. |
| 02:30 | <Octane> | like in #worldseries |
| 02:30 | <ChaosExiguum> | oiy |
| 02:30 | <Chutt> | thor, i dunno |
| 02:30 | <Octane> | and you can spam when your team wins, etc |
| 02:30 | | * topgun98 imagines people keying in text on their remotes |
| 02:30 | <thor_> | where "who" is a legal entity? |
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| 02:30 | <Octane> | lol :) |
| 02:31 | <CyberKnet> | I can barely read text on the damn TV. I hardly want to do IRC. |
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| 02:31 | <thor_> | that has serious liabilities |
| 02:31 | <topgun98> | T9 text prediction? lol |
| 02:31 | <thor_> | when someone discovers it's full of copyrighted cover art ? |
| 02:31 | <Octane> | seriously though.. imagine watching... i dont know.. Jeoprady with a few mtyhtv users... you cna play along with them |
| 02:31 | | * CyberKnet piques an interest in thor_'s conversation |
| 02:31 | <ChaosExiguum> | umm hmm |
| 02:32 | <Chutt> | thor, why would cover art be in there? |
| 02:32 | <thor_> | just an example |
| 02:32 | <thor_> | metadata ? |
| 02:32 | <Chutt> | metadata's facts |
| 02:33 | <thor_> | all right ... so next problem |
| 02:33 | <Netslayer> | that does sound fun if T9 stuff works well |
| 02:33 | <topgun98> | ever used it? |
| 02:33 | <thor_> | everyone plays nice and uses the "server" |
| 02:33 | <CyberKnet> | Isn't T9 the stuff that is used in cell phones? |
| 02:33 | <topgun98> | if so, I don't think you'd say that |
| 02:33 | <topgun98> | yes |
| 02:33 | <Netslayer> | heh watch survivor on the other time zone, then go back and tell people who gets voted off heh |
| 02:33 | <Octane> | iTap |
| 02:33 | <CyberKnet> | Isn't it patented? |
| 02:33 | <topgun98> | it's not fun for most people |
| 02:33 | <Octane> | thats what its called right |
| 02:33 | <topgun98> | I was just joking about T9. |
| 02:33 | <thor_> | then one day, Chutt the benevolent becomes the Chutt the savage vulture capitalist ? |
| 02:33 | <CyberKnet> | k ;) |
| 02:33 | <Octane> | Netslayer you a survivor fan?? |
| 02:34 | <Netslayer> | i thought someone was working on that T9 stuff |
| 02:34 | <CyberKnet> | hahahah. I can see ijr in that role! |
| 02:34 | <topgun98> | hmm |
| 02:34 | <Netslayer> | ya i'm watching tonights right now |
| 02:34 | | * Octane is a survivor fan since season 1 (curls up in the corner and hides face) |
| 02:34 | <Netslayer> | ya same |
| 02:34 | <Octane> | what part are you up to |
| 02:34 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 02:34 | <topgun98> | well, tell me what would be of the most use for me to write, if mythmail is silly. |
| 02:34 | <Chutt> | thor, pull a gracenote, you mean? :p |
| 02:34 | <thor_> | EXACTLY |
| 02:34 | <CyberKnet> | the community would have to have an open license to the method and the data |
| 02:35 | <CyberKnet> | an unrevokable license to the method and the data |
| 02:35 | <Netslayer> | woudl the day ever come when myth could be embedded into a device? |
| 02:35 | <ChaosExiguum> | how would you cover the bandwidth cost? |
| 02:35 | <thor_> | and kudos to the public DA that tries to enforce the license ! |
| 02:35 | <topgun98> | Netslayer: why not do it? just burn an image to a rom chip... |
| 02:35 | <CyberKnet> | thor_: I do understand and appreciate your perspective. |
| 02:36 | <Netslayer> | that would be sweet |
| 02:36 | <Netslayer> | but an xbox is probably best for me now.. really should by one and move the server somewhere where it doesn't bother me |
| 02:36 | <topgun98> | uhg |
| 02:36 | <topgun98> | I will never buy an xbox |
| 02:37 | <Netslayer> | xbox2 will be using an ibm processor, they say it will be the end of xboxlinux |
| 02:37 | <topgun98> | why support Bill and then go and use a free OS? |
| 02:37 | <Netslayer> | your not supporting him at all |
| 02:37 | <topgun98> | oh yeah, forgot |
| 02:37 | <Netslayer> | they lose money on it if u don't buy games |
| 02:37 | <topgun98> | they sell at a loss |
| 02:37 | <Netslayer> | heh |
| 02:37 | <billytwowilly> | I thought he lost money on each xbox sale. |
| 02:37 | <CyberKnet> | thor_: you could try a root-servers system... |
| 02:37 | <topgun98> | sorry.. I'm getting tired |
| 02:37 | <topgun98> | heh |
| 02:37 | <Netslayer> | seriously like what 140 refurbished |
| 02:38 | <topgun98> | well, if that's the case |
| 02:38 | <topgun98> | I'd rather buy it new |
| 02:38 | <topgun98> | heh |
| 02:38 | <Netslayer> | ya it's only what currently 175 |
| 02:38 | <CyberKnet> | that's about as best I can come up with that is between p2p and centralized |
| 02:38 | <topgun98> | that would actually be cool |
| 02:38 | <topgun98> | has anyone got the controllers working in linux? |
| 02:38 | <thor_> | CyberKnel, I'm not sure what you mean ? |
| 02:39 | <topgun98> | if only the xbox had a tuner.... |
| 02:39 | <ChaosExiguum> | or at least a pci slot |
| 02:39 | <CyberKnet> | thor_: me either... but I was thinking that you could perhaps mirror the data, and use a round-robin or load balanced kind of system to decide which server to submit the data to |
| 02:39 | <topgun98> | heheh, yep |
| 02:39 | <topgun98> | what arch is it? i386? |
| 02:40 | <ChaosExiguum> | i believe so |
| 02:40 | <CyberKnet> | they could sync themselves on a regular basis. Then nobody would have the "one" copy of the data... |
| 02:40 | <topgun98> | what is mythtv without a tuner? still worth it? |
| 02:40 | <Netslayer> | i think this is awesome, shouldn't it be added to the cvs tree http://www.techknowpro.com/mythwap/ |
| 02:40 | <ChaosExiguum> | nvidia graphics and an intel cpu |
| 02:40 | <Netslayer> | topgun98 a frontened |
| 02:41 | <thor_> | CyberKnel, it would be nice if there were a network protocol for myth (optical disc metadata, reccomendations, etc.), but if the URL were left up to the user. |
| 02:41 | <topgun98> | wow! MythWAP is cool |
| 02:41 | <Netslayer> | ya it works great |
| 02:41 | <CyberKnet> | thor_: Yes, that would also be nice. There's no reason the user should be locked into using one set of servers. |
| 02:41 | <Netslayer> | well i've only tried it for 5 min but still |
| 02:41 | <thor_> | but that still leaves open the question of how to make Chutt rich :-) |
| 02:41 | <topgun98> | any other cool myth-related stuff I should know about? =] |
| 02:41 | <CyberKnet> | thor_: lmao |
| 02:42 | <Netslayer> | it's endless |
| 02:42 | <CyberKnet> | thor_: I didn't know chutt was in this for the money |
| 02:42 | <CyberKnet> | *grin* |
| 02:42 | <thor_> | hey, look at the top line in the website |
| 02:42 | <thor_> | which has never changed |
| 02:43 | <CyberKnet> | Yep |
| 02:43 | <Chutt> | i changed the 2nd sentence back in june or so |
| 02:43 | <thor_> | Well, first sentence has yet to change |
| 02:43 | <topgun98> | when I was talking about mythmail, I was really thinking more along the lines of something my granparents could use |
| 02:43 | <o_cee> | kvandivo: tmpmessage = tr("Yes, wrong show recorded"); you didn't change that? :) |
| 02:43 | <topgun98> | I can't see myself using my TV for email |
| 02:43 | <Chutt> | i do ignore all donation queries :p |
| 02:44 | <billytwowilly> | topgun98: have you checked your email on 640 by 480 resolution? it's not pretty.. |
| 02:44 | <thor_> | redirect to EFF ? |
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| 02:44 | <CyberKnet> | Chutt: You don't want any donations (monetary or otherwise)? |
| 02:44 | <Chutt> | nope |
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| 02:45 | <Chutt> | not really interested in that, unless it's a _significant_ amount :p |
| 02:45 | <CyberKnet> | heh |
| 02:45 | <o_cee> | what if we all send you a postcard for christmas? :) |
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| 02:45 | <CyberKnet> | people usually associate a donation with an expectation that now their ideas should be given more priority |
| 02:45 | <thor_> | rip the central server from Chutt's evil hands !!! |
| 02:45 | <CyberKnet> | when in reality, nobodys ideas/desires are given more priority than Chutt's =P" |
| 02:45 | <eco> | Anyone know how Myth does it's IMDB lookups? Is it just POSTs then finding the movie search results in the returned page? |
| 02:45 | <topgun98> | alright, well, I think I'm going to go pass out now |
| 02:46 | <Chutt> | eco, something along those lines |
| 02:46 | <CyberKnet> | Of course, we have the code, so... |
| 02:46 | <o_cee> | eco: hi to you too. |
| 02:46 | <topgun98> | nice meeting you folks.... I'm eager to get my mythtv box up and running |
| 02:46 | <topgun98> | later |
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| 02:46 | <eco> | o_cee: ;) |
| 02:47 | <CyberKnet> | MythWeb is not showing the previews for recorded shows, and is having a stat error on the video recording store... but I changed the owner/group to the webserver uid ... any ideas? |
| 02:47 | <Octane> | CyberKnet there was a thread on it the other day if im not mistaken |
| 02:47 | <Netslayer> | i had a prob with that |
| 02:48 | <CyberKnet> | I know... I was searching gossamer for it too |
| 02:48 | <Netslayer> | there are a million threads |
| 02:48 | <CyberKnet> | I must not be using the right keywords |
| 02:48 | <Netslayer> | one was by me |
| 02:48 | <CyberKnet> | I think I may have been using thumbnails instead of previews. let me research before I bother you folks |
| 02:48 | <CyberKnet> | =) |
| 02:48 | <Netslayer> | actually i fixed it with the chown or something.. it got added to the readme/docs |
| 02:49 | <Netslayer> | ohya |
| 02:49 | <Octane> | i love saying chown out loud |
| 02:49 | <Netslayer> | it was apache was defaulting to a nobody nogroup idea so it didn't have permission to do a copy |
| 02:49 | <Octane> | almost as i like to say mrproper outloud |
| 02:50 | <CyberKnet> | I'm on RH9 and I thought the webserver was running as apache |
| 02:50 | <CyberKnet> | but I gave a+rw on the files, a+rwx on the store directory and a+rwx on mythtv's home directory |
| 02:51 | <Netslayer> | apache has a config file that states what group it belongs to in it.. i think that was added to the docs/readme by me a while back, it's worth a check |
| 02:51 | <Chutt> | you have to make the directory it's copying the files to. |
| 02:51 | <Chutt> | it's in the mythweb readme. |
| 02:52 | | * o_cee is back (gone 05:50:35) |
| 02:52 | <o_cee> | not enough sleep :| |
| 02:53 | <thor_> | Chutt, you have some more-or-less serious interest in the idea of a plugin interface (e.g. the mfd module stuff) actually being used for non GPL-code then? |
| 02:53 | <Chutt> | thor, nope |
| 02:53 | <thor_> | ok .... |
| 02:54 | <Chutt> | it's just nice to have that slightly less restrictive is all |
| 02:54 | <thor_> | yup |
| 02:54 | <thor_> | well ... since I'm too stupid to rewrite Rendezvous from scratch ... it's moot |
| 02:55 | <thor_> | so now advertising push model ? |
| 02:56 | <thor_> | no |
| 02:56 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 02:56 | <Chutt> | no |
| 02:56 | <thor_> | I was actually toying with the idea of what would happen if you released OS code with a --leach option ? |
| 02:57 | <CyberKnet> | Chutt: image_cache exists already. The problem appears to be trying to stat the png that already exists? |
| 02:58 | <Chutt> | hm? |
| 02:58 | <thor_> | hm? to me? |
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| 02:58 | <Chutt> | ya |
| 02:58 | <thor_> | well ... |
| 02:58 | <Netslayer> | so it's giving a permision error? |
| 02:59 | <o_cee> | is it possible to get the 350's audio out the coax? or i'll connect lineout->linein? |
| 03:00 | <thor_> | say you finance the upfront costs of a reccomendation engine off of advertising revenue |
| 03:00 | <Netslayer> | what do you guys think of this (my post) http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Users_F11/feature_request_for_flagging_recorded_shows_as_watched_for_multiple_users_P93646/ |
| 03:00 | <CyberKnet> | Netslayer: yes. I'm trying to run more specific searches over the mailing list archive. I've followed the MythWeb readme 100% already. |
| 03:00 | <thor_> | but you keep everything OS |
| 03:00 | <Netslayer> | i would check your apache config file |
| 03:01 | <thor_> | you can't enfore a condition in open source .... you can't keep something secret if the user does not want it to be secret |
| 03:01 | <thor_> | so ... |
| 03:01 | <thor_> | you dispense with the notion |
| 03:01 | <thor_> | and say anyone who wants to just leach |
| 03:02 | <thor_> | build the software with a --leach flag |
| 03:02 | <thor_> | the question then is ... |
| 03:02 | <thor_> | how many people acutally pay attention enough to build the software that way ? |
| 03:02 | <CyberKnet> | from my httpd.conf: |
| 03:02 | <CyberKnet> | # |
| 03:02 | <CyberKnet> | User apache |
| 03:02 | <CyberKnet> | Group apache |
| 03:02 | <Netslayer> | not me heh |
| 03:03 | <Netslayer> | uh i think that's good, look at the readme in mythweb it got added |
| 03:03 | <CyberKnet> | Yep. I read the readme top to bottom |
| 03:03 | <CyberKnet> | and ran every command that was applicable. |
| 03:03 | <thor_> | and how many are too busy with real life to bother with building a --leach version ? |
| 03:04 | <Netslayer> | so what is it exactly that you want to leech? |
| 03:04 | <Netslayer> | i got lost above |
| 03:04 | <thor_> | whatever |
| 03:04 | <thor_> | ... sorry, I'm not being clear .... |
| 03:04 | <thor_> | I have some service that I'd like to deliver to MythTV users |
| 03:05 | <thor_> | so I say, add this module to your source tree, and you'll get some benefit |
| 03:05 | <thor_> | (you don't have to pay me anything) |
| 03:06 | <Netslayer> | ah so it would be closed source |
| 03:06 | <thor_> | no |
| 03:06 | <thor_> | that's the thing |
| 03:06 | <Netslayer> | u mentioned built in 'advertising'? |
| 03:07 | <Netslayer> | if it's open source what makes it different then current mythtv work? |
| 03:07 | <thor_> | ... |
| 03:08 | <thor_> | well, currently, mythtv has a several hundred thousand eyeball share, and zero revenue |
| 03:08 | <thor_> | and I'm not sure there is any way to fundamentally alter that |
| 03:08 | <Netslayer> | what's stopping someone from packaging it and selling it? GPL? |
| 03:08 | <thor_> | anyone can sell it |
| 03:09 | | * Netslayer ponders |
| 03:09 | <thor_> | as long as they distribute source |
| 03:09 | <Netslayer> | heh |
| 03:09 | <Netslayer> | that's what i thought |
| 03:09 | <billytwowilly> | you guys should setup a paypal donation account. |
| 03:09 | <billytwowilly> | I'd donate. |
| 03:09 | <thor_> | no, no |
| 03:09 | <thor_> | that's small change |
| 03:09 | <Netslayer> | ya why not? |
| 03:09 | <Netslayer> | it would easily reach thousands |
| 03:09 | <Netslayer> | over a while heh |
| 03:10 | <billytwowilly> | seriously. 10 bucks * 1 % of 300 000 = 30 grand.. |
| 03:10 | <Netslayer> | of course who diserves the money, the main founders?, there are a lot of contributers |
| 03:10 | <thor_> | I don't know about Chutt (et. al.), but thousands is a few orders of magnitude away from what I worry about |
| 03:11 | <billytwowilly> | use it to setup bounties to get things done. |
| 03:11 | <thor_> | hey, if you like it, give money to the EFF |
| 03:11 | <Chutt> | i'm an overpaid software engineer |
| 03:11 | <Netslayer> | oh tribal council on survivor brb |
| 03:11 | <o_cee> | lol |
| 03:11 | <o_cee> | hhehhe |
| 03:11 | <thor_> | I was an overpaid wall street analyst |
| 03:11 | <billytwowilly> | and now you're retired? |
| 03:12 | <thor_> | heh |
| 03:12 | <Netslayer> | i noticed u came at it with a business point of view ;-) |
| 03:12 | <thor_> | sorry, I'm trying to finish my thought here |
| 03:12 | <billytwowilly> | Netslayer: me? |
| 03:12 | <thor_> | now, where was I |
| 03:13 | <thor_> | right |
| 03:13 | <billytwowilly> | I think the bounties would be cool. It'd probably attract way more developers. |
| 03:13 | <Netslayer> | nah |
| 03:13 | <Netslayer> | u mean like rentacoder.com heh |
| 03:14 | <thor_> | lots of users, lots of data about what they do |
| 03:14 | <billytwowilly> | I don't actually know about rentacoder.com.. I was just thinking something like 1 grand to the guy that writes an sms plugin. |
| 03:14 | <thor_> | easiest thing to write a module that "phones home" to some secret server and records what people are doing |
| 03:15 | <Netslayer> | heh |
| 03:15 | <thor_> | but what is you say to people, let me do this in a completely open way, and I'll push advertising against your interface |
| 03:15 | <thor_> | what if |
| 03:16 | <thor_> | anyone who knows anything about programming could snoop in and cut off the advertising fields |
| 03:16 | <Netslayer> | then they comment that part out of the code and recompile heh |
| 03:16 | <Netslayer> | ya |
| 03:16 | <Netslayer> | then people who don't use patches |
| 03:16 | <Netslayer> | it's hopeless |
| 03:16 | <thor_> | is it? |
| 03:17 | <Netslayer> | i think so, i mean closed source software is ad hackable already, look at msn messenger (well in windows), there are ad removers.. |
| 03:17 | <thor_> | apt-get ? |
| 03:17 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: Did you just black out? I could have sworn I heard the devil speaking through your keyboard;) |
| 03:17 | <thor_> | rpm ? |
| 03:18 | <Netslayer> | heh |
| 03:18 | <Netslayer> | what about them? i'm lost |
| 03:18 | <thor_> | cvs release, by default, honours the spam/advertising stuff |
| 03:19 | <thor_> | so a debian apt-get puts code on your machine that puts ads on your tv |
| 03:19 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: ahh, I see the devil hasn't finished with you yet;) |
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| 03:20 | <thor_> | billytwowilly, I take your point |
| 03:20 | <Netslayer> | this is freaky i've had two fortune cookies today and they both seem like they will happen.. nm |
| 03:21 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: I'm half joking, however I think most people use mythtv to remove the commercials. |
| 03:21 | <thor_> | yup |
| 03:21 | <Netslayer> | heh |
| 03:21 | <Netslayer> | never works for me |
| 03:21 | <thor_> | but whatever |
| 03:22 | <thor_> | you want to know the contents of that DVD you inserted without having to type in the details? |
| 03:22 | <thor_> | please see this add |
| 03:22 | <Netslayer> | u talking about that auto insert code someone was talking about |
| 03:22 | <thor_> | more generally |
| 03:22 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: I think you can do that now with that dvd thing mentioned on the mailing lists.. just requires a bit of code. |
| 03:22 | <thor_> | I'm trying to figure out how myth could make money |
| 03:23 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: you should talk to rcam. I think he's trying to do the same thing. |
| 03:23 | <Netslayer> | build systems, sell, and have support for it = $ |
| 03:23 | <thor_> | nope |
| 03:23 | <thor_> | consumer end-user is a total suckers game |
| 03:23 | <thor_> | no margin |
| 03:23 | <Netslayer> | heh |
| 03:24 | <thor_> | all headaches |
| 03:24 | <Netslayer> | true |
| 03:24 | <thor_> | venture money wouldn't walk a mile close to that |
| 03:24 | <Netslayer> | well i can see it becoming embedded |
| 03:24 | <thor_> | yup |
| 03:24 | <thor_> | absolutely |
| 03:24 | <thor_> | but there's no straightforward licensing |
| 03:25 | <thor_> | so how does Chutt make money off that ? |
| 03:25 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: sell it on cd |
| 03:25 | <Netslayer> | cause the open source aspect that has propelled the software to where it is today stops it from being sold |
| 03:25 | <Netslayer> | he was being sarcastic wasn't he |
| 03:26 | <thor_> | the boring answer is, "Consulting" |
| 03:26 | <Netslayer> | is chutt ijr? |
| 03:26 | <CyberKnet> | thor_: It could work. Mandrake sell ad space in the MDK installer |
| 03:26 | <thor_> | Netslayer, yes |
| 03:26 | <Netslayer> | except for that fact that myth has no installer right now |
| 03:27 | <Netslayer> | not hard to do though |
| 03:27 | <billytwowilly> | Netslayer: knoppmyth |
| 03:27 | <thor_> | ... not actually a linux distribution ... |
| 03:27 | <Netslayer> | haven't tried that one yet |
| 03:27 | <CyberKnet> | No, I meant selling ads with a compile-time option to compile them out. |
| 03:27 | <Netslayer> | that sounds funny |
| 03:27 | <thor_> | I dunno |
| 03:27 | <CyberKnet> | If mdk can sell ads in their installer, I'm sure you could sell ads in a PVR. |
| 03:28 | <thor_> | it's more or less a stupid idea |
| 03:28 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: You should talk to rcam. He was going off about how knoppmyth will be the saviour of mythtv and such. |
| 03:28 | <Netslayer> | i think the ultimate money making scheme is designing the whole hardware aspect, embed it into it and sell that |
| 03:28 | <thor_> | yeah, whatever |
| 03:28 | <CyberKnet> | I can see the freevo community buying ads. =P |
| 03:28 | <thor_> | heh |
| 03:28 | <thor_> | look ... |
| 03:28 | <thor_> | myth is going to do very well in any case |
| 03:28 | <thor_> | it's already good |
| 03:28 | <Netslayer> | well i don't see any other better software so i agree |
| 03:28 | <CyberKnet> | I concur. |
| 03:29 | <Netslayer> | u can't compare anything on the market today, it's all crap |
| 03:29 | <thor_> | has a decent core of developers, etc. |
| 03:29 | <thor_> | so the question is ... |
| 03:29 | <CyberKnet> | I gotta jet. Thor, it's been real interesting. |
| 03:29 | <billytwowilly> | I thought tivo was supposed to be quite good. |
| 03:29 | <thor_> | how does the usefulness through off dollars |
| 03:29 | <Netslayer> | well for me, tivo is way too expensive for what it does, since mythtv does a ton more for free |
| 03:29 | <thor_> | CyberKnet, see ya |
| 03:30 | <CyberKnet> | thor_: slashdot will have a heart attack, you know... heh |
| 03:30 | <thor_> | eh? |
| 03:30 | <CyberKnet> | something that is free and Free that wants to show ads ... |
| 03:30 | <bline> | hola |
| 03:30 | <thor_> | yeah |
| 03:31 | <CyberKnet> | It'd be quite amusing. |
| 03:31 | <thor_> | I still don't really know what I'm thinking about |
| 03:31 | <CyberKnet> | Almost worth it just as an April 1st if you decide not to go ahead =) |
| 03:31 | <Netslayer> | i don't think u could get people to pay you to show their ads if they know it's that easily disabled |
| 03:31 | <thor_> | but if you did it ina sufficiently "Apple" way |
| 03:31 | <CyberKnet> | thor: I think you could find certain places to put ads in there. But I'd keep them away from the EPG if I were you. |
| 03:31 | <thor_> | well, what's "easy" ? |
| 03:32 | <o_cee> | i'd still prefer donation instead. i'd actually do that. looking at ads, now way. |
| 03:32 | <thor_> | I mean, look at the friggin questions on the mailing list ? |
| 03:32 | <o_cee> | no even |
| 03:32 | <o_cee> | lots of stupid people? :) |
| 03:32 | <CyberKnet> | Look at MY questions... and I code in three languages! |
| 03:32 | <thor_> | o_cee, you don't count ... you have a Swedish girlfriend .... and an iPod !!! |
| 03:33 | <o_cee> | weh, yeah! i do :) |
| 03:33 | <o_cee> | muhehehehhe |
| 03:33 | <CyberKnet> | nite folks. |
| 03:33 | <thor_> | night |
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| 03:34 | <thor_> | o_cee, what you sell advertising space in your backend status screen for ? |
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| 03:35 | <bline> | anyone had any trouble with ivtv latest cvs and myth latest cvs |
| 03:35 | <o_cee> | wha? |
| 03:35 | <thor_> | I know |
| 03:35 | <o_cee> | hmm :) |
| 03:35 | <thor_> | I'm not making much sense |
| 03:36 | <o_cee> | i've read that sentence many times now and still don't get what you mean, heheh |
| 03:36 | <thor_> | bline, I'm still about a month behind on ivitv |
| 03:36 | <bline> | hmm, maybe I should try downgrading ivtv then |
| 03:36 | <o_cee> | me too, working great with a 250 |
| 03:37 | <billytwowilly> | o_cee: thor_ is in the process of going over to the dark side. |
| 03:37 | <bline> | strange that cating /dev/video0 seems to work fine though.. |
| 03:37 | <thor_> | should be: "o_cee, what _WOULD_ you sell advertising space in your backend status screen for ?" |
| 03:38 | <thor_> | billytwowilly, hey |
| 03:38 | <o_cee> | hehe, well. actually, no idea. first reaction is that no-one would be intrested in buying such space anyway |
| 03:38 | <thor_> | my credentials are pristine |
| 03:38 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: Sorry, I'm having an allergic reaction to all this talk of advertising embedded in mythtv. |
| 03:38 | <o_cee> | didn't anyone notice my replacement icons for the ugly ones in playbackbox? |
| 03:39 | <thor_> | eh? |
| 03:39 | <o_cee> | eh? to me? |
| 03:39 | <thor_> | yup |
| 03:39 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: it's anathema to all the reasons I like open source and mythtv. |
| 03:39 | <o_cee> | my theme? |
| 03:40 | <thor_> | billytwowilly, we could both climb up on our high horses on this, if you like ... |
| 03:40 | <thor_> | but I suspect my horse is higher than yours |
| 03:40 | <thor_> | :-P |
| 03:41 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: too far to fall down;) I'll stick to make snide remarks thank you very much;) |
| 03:41 | <o_cee> | thor_: did you try my theme? |
| 03:41 | <billytwowilly> | err making |
| 03:41 | <thor_> | o_cee, with all caps or without ? |
| 03:42 | <Netslayer> | u talking about the watch recordings hammer,book, rip icons? |
| 03:42 | <o_cee> | thor_: i mean the real thing? |
| 03:42 | <o_cee> | Netslayer: yes |
| 03:42 | <Netslayer> | what is the hammer and book for? |
| 03:42 | <o_cee> | lats |
| 03:42 | <o_cee> | ;) |
| 03:42 | <thor_> | Lenin? |
| 03:42 | <o_cee> | probably |
| 03:43 | <thor_> | (hammer, book?) |
| 03:43 | <o_cee> | sumblime messages |
| 03:43 | <o_cee> | whops |
| 03:43 | <thor_> | ah |
| 03:43 | <o_cee> | :) |
| 03:43 | <Netslayer> | watch recordings -> look at the bottom left when u go over programs |
| 03:43 | <thor_> | excellent |
| 03:43 | <Netslayer> | a book, hammer, rip, or $ appear |
| 03:43 | <Netslayer> | rip is obviously auto expire |
| 03:43 | <thor_> | another revenue model !!!! |
| 03:43 | <o_cee> | yeah? look at the source |
| 03:43 | <o_cee> | thor_: sponsored icons! :) |
| 03:43 | <Netslayer> | google it |
| 03:43 | <thor_> | now you're thinking |
| 03:44 | <o_cee> | :) |
| 03:44 | <thor_> | o_cee, you got the iPOD working ? |
| 03:44 | <o_cee> | but did anyone see those icons in my theme? |
| 03:44 | <o_cee> | thor_: somewhat, yeah |
| 03:44 | <Netslayer> | is it in cvs, blue theme? |
| 03:44 | <thor_> | but not with iTunes (on purpose) |
| 03:44 | <o_cee> | Netslayer: no, my preview of g.a.n.t. |
| 03:44 | <Netslayer> | i've seen the ones that are in gentoo's 12 release |
| 03:45 | <Netslayer> | oh no, where is that? |
| 03:45 | <billytwowilly> | classic;) go type this "miserable failure" into google and hit the i'm feeling lucky button;) |
| 03:45 | <o_cee> | thor_: iTunes made me mad |
| 03:45 | <thor_> | yeah |
| 03:45 | <thor_> | but it does daap |
| 03:45 | <o_cee> | Netslayer: you'd need current cvs, and if you'd be running that, you'd know about the theme. |
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| 03:45 | <Netslayer> | ok, give me a week i'm busy |
| 03:45 | <o_cee> | i'll switch when you have the code ready to use it ;) |
| 03:45 | <thor_> | oh |
| 03:45 | <thor_> | nasty |
| 03:46 | <Netslayer> | wtf |
| 03:46 | <thor_> | soon .... |
| 03:46 | <Netslayer> | omg |
| 03:46 | <Netslayer> | does google have some kind of vendetta against bush? |
| 03:46 | <o_cee> | thor_: now tell me, _did_ you try it or not? :) |
| 03:46 | <billytwowilly> | hehehe;) I don't know, but it's funny as hell;) |
| 03:46 | <thor_> | o_cee, try what, the latest backend update > |
| 03:46 | <thor_> | ? |
| 03:47 | <Netslayer> | "classic;) go type this "miserable failure" into google and hit the i'm feeling lucky button;)" |
| 03:47 | <o_cee> | thor_: damn you |
| 03:47 | <o_cee> | don't make me punch you |
| 03:47 | | * thor_ huh |
| 03:47 | <thor_> | what did i do ? |
| 03:48 | <o_cee> | [mythtv] Preview release 1 of the new theme G.A.N.T. |
| 03:48 | <o_cee> | you completely missed that one? |
| 03:48 | <thor_> | uhm ... |
| 03:48 | <thor_> | I'm a bit afraid to answer |
| 03:48 | <o_cee> | muhehehe |
| 03:49 | <thor_> | can I speak to my attorney ? |
| 03:49 | <Netslayer> | brb |
| 03:49 | <o_cee> | dunno, don't know if there'll be time for that.. |
| 03:49 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: I'm sorry, you've already used up your "call a friend" what is your final answer?;) |
| 03:50 | <thor_> | ... uhm ... people in Sweden are all crazy ... "I THINK HE"S IN THE SHOWER WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND" ... |
| 03:51 | | * billytwowilly wishes he was in the shower with his girlfriend |
| 03:51 | <o_cee> | thor_: don't divert the attention now... |
| 03:51 | <o_cee> | :) |
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| 03:52 | <thor_> | sorry, I need to go for a smoke .. everyone is more than welcome to tell me what I'm supposed to be doing in the meantime |
| 03:52 | <o_cee> | grrr |
| 03:52 | <o_cee> | :) |
| 03:52 | <o_cee> | damn you |
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| 03:54 | <Netslayer> | i think it would be entertaining to have a plugin that would let people discuss a show as your watching it |
| 03:54 | <Netslayer> | not thinking about implementation or mass spam heh, it would be fun |
| 03:55 | <billytwowilly> | Netslayer: have you ever tried talking to people about shows on channles outside of irc.freenode.net? |
| 03:55 | <Netslayer> | of course someone would have to run a big server somewhere for it heh |
| 03:55 | <billytwowilly> | They all seem to end in "Eat my ass donkey dick!" or some other similar vulgarity. |
| 03:55 | <Netslayer> | actually no, usually they are 13yrs blabbing their mouths off so i don't bother |
| 03:55 | <Netslayer> | heh |
| 03:56 | <billytwowilly> | I doubt it would be different with a plugin. |
| 03:56 | <Netslayer> | ya but if your running myth your probably a littler more knowledgable |
| 03:56 | <Netslayer> | or lets say wiser maybe |
| 03:56 | <billytwowilly> | I'm more knowledgeable. My sister, mother and father aren't;) |
| 03:56 | <thor_> | here's a thought: |
| 03:56 | <Netslayer> | ya but would they use a remote to key in a comment, maybe, but prob not |
| 03:57 | <billytwowilly> | You have a 1 in 4 chance of getting someone computer literate;) |
| 03:57 | <Netslayer> | really, it's that high |
| 03:57 | <Netslayer> | heh |
| 03:57 | <o_cee> | thor_: aaaaaah, you're back, now you need to answer :) |
| 03:57 | <billytwowilly> | Netslayer: remote? You'd have to use a keyboard.. |
| 03:57 | <billytwowilly> | Netslayer: Only if I'm home and my sister doesn't have friends over;) |
| 03:57 | <thor_> | when you download firebird, you don't imagine you're ever _not_ going to get a banner add |
| 03:57 | <Netslayer> | i think a cell phone type deal would work on a remote |
| 03:57 | <billytwowilly> | have you ever tried to sms in real time on a cellphone? |
| 03:58 | <Netslayer> | ya that's so cheap |
| 03:58 | <Netslayer> | refreshing php |
| 03:58 | <Netslayer> | but besides that all trash u mean ya |
| 03:58 | <thor_> | so when you download (and install) myth, why shouldn't you get advertising ? |
| 03:58 | <billytwowilly> | I'm sorry, I'm rather pessimistic about a chat plugin. I think it has great intentions, but the end results would not be as good as envisioned. |
| 03:59 | <Netslayer> | but wouldn't it be fun to watch a show and have a casual conversation, or learn something interesting |
| 03:59 | <o_cee> | thor_: firebird doesn't show ads on itself, you know that. besides, it has excellent popup stopper |
| 03:59 | <Netslayer> | ur prob right, that's why there would be an off button |
| 03:59 | <thor_> | off point |
| 04:00 | <thor_> | you still get ads |
| 04:00 | <thor_> | even on /. |
| 04:00 | <thor_> | why? |
| 04:00 | <Netslayer> | it's just u would need a central server, prob an irc based one to log into and have myth log in to a specific channel for your episode/show |
| 04:00 | <o_cee> | you get ads with mythbrowser? :) |
| 04:00 | <o_cee> | i know why |
| 04:01 | <thor_> | o_cee, ok, why? |
| 04:01 | <o_cee> | they need to make money of course, servers costs and so on |
| 04:01 | <thor_> | but why can't you get /. ad free ? |
| 04:02 | <o_cee> | because their servers cost? |
| 04:02 | <thor_> | what client are you using ? |
| 04:02 | <o_cee> | firebird |
| 04:02 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: What kind of money would you get for an add view? maybe a penny per view? |
| 04:02 | <o_cee> | oh you mean why i can't remove comercials with firebird on /. ? i doubt thats correct |
| 04:02 | <thor_> | but you could write your own client to throw away the ads ! |
| 04:02 | <thor_> | why do you see ads ? |
| 04:03 | <o_cee> | i don't? |
| 04:03 | <thor_> | I do |
| 04:03 | <o_cee> | why |
| 04:03 | <thor_> | cause firebird is a lot easier than hacking my own code |
| 04:03 | <o_cee> | you completely lost me |
| 04:03 | <o_cee> | :) |
| 04:04 | <thor_> | yeah |
| 04:04 | <o_cee> | you're telling me you can't remove ads from /. with firebird? |
| 04:04 | <thor_> | no, you can |
| 04:04 | <thor_> | but it requires work |
| 04:04 | <o_cee> | nothing more than an extra plugin |
| 04:04 | <thor_> | I'm just saying, Joe Sixpack |
| 04:04 | <thor_> | download client |
| 04:04 | <thor_> | use client |
| 04:05 | <thor_> | see advetising |
| 04:05 | <thor_> | advertising |
| 04:05 | <thor_> | bah |
| 04:05 | <o_cee> | stupid joe :) |
| 04:05 | <billytwowilly> | I wouldn't be surprised if someone forked mythtv to get away from the advertising. |
| 04:05 | <billytwowilly> | ala kazaalite |
| 04:05 | <o_cee> | no-one gets payed by _looking_ at ads |
| 04:06 | <thor_> | yup |
| 04:06 | <o_cee> | clicking |
| 04:06 | <o_cee> | anyway |
| 04:06 | <Netslayer> | i did once, of course i ran a program to move my mouse and randomly click heh |
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| 04:06 | <billytwowilly> | Netslayer: Ghostmouse in windows?;) |
| 04:06 | <o_cee> | you're only saying this to make me forget the original question. why didn't you try my theme? :) |
| 04:06 | <Netslayer> | not sure it was a wihle ago |
| 04:07 | <Netslayer> | i will i promie |
| 04:07 | <Netslayer> | promise |
| 04:07 | <billytwowilly> | Netslayer: If it was windows it was probably ghostmouse;) I used that too;) |
| 04:07 | <thor_> | o_cee, I was hoping your forgot? |
| 04:07 | <Netslayer> | it was years ago, like 4 |
| 04:07 | <o_cee> | thor_: hehehe. no. |
| 04:08 | <Netslayer> | is that theme being discussed on the list, talking about how the icons should look or something |
| 04:08 | <billytwowilly> | Netslayer: Same here;) I got a letter from doubleclick (or whatever they were called at the time) about how they weren't going to send me my money because I had a clickthrough rate of ~ 80 %;) There was other stuff going on as well as the ghostmouse thing. |
| 04:08 | <o_cee> | Netslayer: haven't gotten alot of useful input on it really |
| 04:08 | <Netslayer> | well i only got paid once, alladvantage went under, heh no comment |
| 04:09 | <Netslayer> | o_cee, if i like it i'll let u know if i'm in here |
| 04:09 | <thor_> | o_cee, actually, I need you to write a similar set of routines for the status port of the mfd |
| 04:09 | <billytwowilly> | They still owe me a couple hundred bucks;) I've written it off though. |
| 04:09 | <Netslayer> | just don't have time until next week |
| 04:09 | <billytwowilly> | Gotta love having an accountant for a dad;) |
| 04:10 | <o_cee> | thor_: heh, allright:) |
| 04:10 | <Netslayer> | it sucks now that i want to have them as i have a real site |
| 04:10 | <thor_> | billytwowilly, your father is a tax accountant ? |
| 04:10 | <billytwowilly> | Yah. |
| 04:10 | <billytwowilly> | Up in Canada. |
| 04:10 | <thor_> | even better |
| 04:10 | <Netslayer> | wherabouts |
| 04:10 | <billytwowilly> | he's billyonewilly;) |
| 04:10 | <billytwowilly> | jk;) |
| 04:10 | <Netslayer> | heh |
| 04:10 | <billytwowilly> | Alberta. |
| 04:11 | <Netslayer> | ah i'm from MB |
| 04:11 | <thor_> | Netslayer, where MB? |
| 04:11 | <thor_> | where in MB? |
| 04:11 | <Netslayer> | manitoba, center of canada, above north dakota |
| 04:11 | <Netslayer> | winnipeg |
| 04:11 | <billytwowilly> | Interesting. |
| 04:11 | <Netslayer> | going their in two weeks, can't wait |
| 04:12 | <thor_> | I own three quarters of land in Arborg |
| 04:12 | <thor_> | not far from Gimli |
| 04:12 | <o_cee> | Son of Gondor? |
| 04:12 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: Why do you need an accountant In canada? |
| 04:12 | <Netslayer> | heh, that's kind in the middle no wheres isn't it? |
| 04:12 | <thor_> | about an hours drive north of Winnipeg |
| 04:12 | <thor_> | billytwowilly, well ... |
| 04:12 | <Netslayer> | my grandma has a cottage around there |
| 04:13 | <thor_> | it's Icelandic country |
| 04:13 | <thor_> | (thus my name) |
| 04:13 | <Netslayer> | k, never got that |
| 04:13 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: unless you're a medium to large sized business I don't know if he'd want to pick you up as a client... |
| 04:14 | <thor_> | billytwowilly, I have an insanely complicated tax situation ... |
| 04:14 | <thor_> | live in USA |
| 04:14 | <thor_> | on diplomatic visa |
| 04:14 | <Netslayer> | dang i have to file CA taxes this year err |
| 04:14 | <thor_> | assets in Canada |
| 04:14 | <thor_> | and in Europe |
| 04:14 | <thor_> | and in Middle East |
| 04:14 | <Netslayer> | wow |
| 04:15 | <thor_> | just always looking for someone who understand Candian tax law |
| 04:15 | <billytwowilly> | My dad wouldn't be able to help you much then. His firm probably could though. |
| 04:15 | <billytwowilly> | He could do the Canadian stuff, but I don't think he does US tax stuff. |
| 04:15 | <thor_> | crap |
| 04:15 | <billytwowilly> | Have you heard of KPMG? |
| 04:16 | <thor_> | hey, I used to a partner in PWC |
| 04:16 | <thor_> | to bw |
| 04:16 | <thor_> | to be |
| 04:16 | <thor_> | (god, it's late) |
| 04:16 | <Netslayer> | i agree |
| 04:16 | <Netslayer> | i'm already in bed heh |
| 04:17 | <Netslayer> | using mythtv as my background kinda |
| 04:17 | <billytwowilly> | I haven't heard of PWC;) I don't know much about taxes though. I just understand that KPMG should be fairly recognizeable if I mention it. |
| 04:17 | <thor_> | heh |
| 04:17 | <thor_> | there used to be "eight big accounting firms" |
| 04:17 | <thor_> | now there's 4 |
| 04:18 | <billytwowilly> | and kpmg is one of them?? |
| 04:18 | <thor_> | yup |
| 04:18 | <billytwowilly> | pwc is one of the others? |
| 04:18 | <billytwowilly> | oh. is that price waterhouse coopers? |
| 04:18 | <thor_> | DLT = Deloitte & Touche |
| 04:18 | <thor_> | PWC= PriceWaterhouseCoopers |
| 04:18 | <billytwowilly> | yah, ok I have heard of them then. |
| 04:18 | <thor_> | yeah |
| 04:18 | <thor_> | etc |
| 04:19 | <thor_> | anyway |
| 04:19 | <billytwowilly> | You should have plenty of contacts at PWC, why don't you use them? |
| 04:19 | <thor_> | use them for what? |
| 04:19 | <thor_> | ah |
| 04:19 | <thor_> | taxes? |
| 04:19 | <billytwowilly> | To help you to solve your tax situation. |
| 04:19 | <thor_> | no |
| 04:19 | <thor_> | you have to actually pay someone |
| 04:19 | <billytwowilly> | yes, why don't you actually pay them to help you? |
| 04:19 | <thor_> | otherwise you have no defense in a court |
| 04:20 | <billytwowilly> | they might cut you a deal or something;) |
| 04:20 | <thor_> | no |
| 04:20 | <thor_> | it's just too friggin complicated |
| 04:21 | <billytwowilly> | it's too complicated for PWC? One of the biggest accounting firms in the world? |
| 04:22 | <billytwowilly> | That's amusing;) I'll have to tell him that someone had a situation too complicated for PWC, but they though KPMG might be able to help;) |
| 04:22 | <billytwowilly> | thought. |
| 04:23 | <thor_> | no |
| 04:23 | <thor_> | it's just none of my friends want to take up the comp |
| 04:24 | <thor_> | (complimentary) |
| 04:24 | <billytwowilly> | meaning risk? |
| 04:24 | <thor_> | no |
| 04:24 | <thor_> | meaning they don't want to actually ask me for money |
| 04:24 | <billytwowilly> | Oh. |
| 04:25 | <thor_> | but my situation is complicated (expensive) to resolve |
| 04:25 | <billytwowilly> | ok. Well if you like you can private message me some details of your particular situation and I can let him know. |
| 04:25 | <thor_> | heh |
| 04:25 | <billytwowilly> | He's a partner here in alberta. |
| 04:25 | <thor_> | probably not the right forum for tax advise :-) |
| 04:26 | <billytwowilly> | Well, I'd want a contact name and number as well. |
| 04:26 | <billytwowilly> | He'd phone you from his office if he thought he could help you out. |
| 04:26 | <billytwowilly> | It'll probably be expensive. |
| 04:26 | <thor_> | you have no idea |
| 04:26 | <billytwowilly> | exactly. |
| 04:26 | <thor_> | it's a nightmare |
| 04:26 | <billytwowilly> | why I want the info so I can pass it on to someone who might have some notion. |
| 04:27 | <billytwowilly> | He might not want it. It might be too screwed up. I have no idea. |
| 04:27 | <billytwowilly> | I do know he is an excellent accountant though. |
| 04:27 | <thor_> | lets just leave it for the time being |
| 04:28 | <thor_> | bring it up again on another IRC occasion |
| 04:28 | <billytwowilly> | He's been a partner for a long time now (probably 15 years) and we keep collecting better and better crap, so he must be doing something right;) |
| 04:28 | <thor_> | cause I do need the expertease |
| 04:28 | <billytwowilly> | Ok, I would be interested in a very vague outline of your situation so I can mention it to him though. |
| 04:28 | <thor_> | and I'm paying through the nose for it right now (firm in Toronto) |
| 04:28 | <thor_> | heh |
| 04:29 | <thor_> | Ok |
| 04:29 | <billytwowilly> | I don't think that would change;) |
| 04:29 | <thor_> | just ... |
| 04:29 | <thor_> | very vaguely |
| 04:29 | <thor_> | A Canadian citizen |
| 04:29 | <billytwowilly> | Yah exactly. nothing personally linked to you at all. |
| 04:29 | <billytwowilly> | probably private messaged would be best too?? |
| 04:29 | <o_cee> | no no no |
| 04:29 | <o_cee> | ;) |
| 04:29 | <thor_> | no, I won't do anything self incriminating |
| 04:30 | <billytwowilly> | My dad is always stressing client confidentiality;) I suppose it rubbed off;) |
| 04:30 | <thor_> | ok |
| 04:30 | <thor_> | this should be fun |
| 04:31 | <thor_> | Canadian citizen, resident alien in the United States, but not a green card holder (diplomatic visa) |
| 04:32 | <thor_> | spouse is Candian, but United Nations/World Bank/International Monetary Fund/ employee .... G4 visa holder |
| 04:33 | <thor_> | so am G4 dependent visa holder |
| 04:34 | <thor_> | employee G5 Visa holder as domestic help (Nanny) |
| 04:34 | <thor_> | primary G4 visa holder is subject to no income tax |
| 04:35 | <thor_> | (as per UN / World Bank articles of incorporation) |
| 04:36 | <thor_> | dependent G4 is subject to USA tax on USA derived income) |
| 04:36 | <thor_> | ... |
| 04:36 | <billytwowilly> | you mentioned properties in other countries. |
| 04:36 | <thor_> | oh yeah |
| 04:37 | <thor_> | uhm |
| 04:37 | <thor_> | lots |
| 04:37 | <thor_> | but not anything I'd talk about |
| 04:37 | <thor_> | (everything above is about obligations) |
| 04:38 | <o_cee> | what do you work with? |
| 04:38 | <billytwowilly> | Ok, with that he should be able to figure out if he can help you or not? |
| 04:38 | <thor_> | heh |
| 04:38 | <thor_> | I don't know if he can help me |
| 04:38 | <billytwowilly> | KPMG is a big place, if he can't he probably knows several people who can. |
| 04:39 | <thor_> | but I'm happy to tell him that there are a boatload of G4 visa types in Washington DC that have no idea how they can better manage their situation |
| 04:40 | <billytwowilly> | Ok, and you worked for one of the big four, so you know about what things like this cost? |
| 04:40 | <thor_> | HA |
| 04:40 | <thor_> | excellent question |
| 04:40 | <thor_> | !! |
| 04:40 | <thor_> | but I'm not actually an entire corporation |
| 04:40 | <thor_> | just one guy |
| 04:41 | <billytwowilly> | hehe. Well, I'll ask him about it and then tell you what he said and then you can give me contact info if you like and we can go from there. |
| 04:41 | <billytwowilly> | I don't know if you'll get any better deal than what you get from that firm in Toronto. |
| 04:42 | <thor_> | hey, nothing ventured, nothing gained |
| 04:42 | <thor_> | yup |
| 04:42 | <billytwowilly> | Although deal is subjective. You might pay the same or more, but I wouldn't be surprised if they turn something up that saves you more, or they somehow add more value. I don't know too much about the family business;) |
| 04:43 | <billytwowilly> | (My uncle, grandfather and cousin are all acountants as well;) |
| 04:43 | <thor_> | oh |
| 04:43 | <thor_> | crap |
| 04:43 | <thor_> | how old are you |
| 04:43 | <thor_> | ? |
| 04:43 | <billytwowilly> | 20 |
| 04:43 | <thor_> | leave Alberta |
| 04:43 | <thor_> | now |
| 04:43 | <billytwowilly> | third year uni in an economics degree. |
| 04:43 | <billytwowilly> | heh, why? |
| 04:43 | <billytwowilly> | I like it here. |
| 04:44 | <thor_> | 'cause there's more to see |
| 04:44 | <thor_> | you can always go back |
| 04:44 | <thor_> | in fact |
| 04:44 | <thor_> | you should go back |
| 04:44 | <billytwowilly> | I'm kind of tied down here. I have an amazing girlfriend. |
| 04:44 | <thor_> | take her with you |
| 04:44 | <billytwowilly> | she's from whitehorse, yukon though. So I might end up living up there for a while. |
| 04:45 | <billytwowilly> | I also want to finish school;) |
| 04:45 | <o_cee> | i was about to say something funny but didn't..... |
| 04:45 | <thor_> | (btw, I used to teach Economics at McGill) |
| 04:45 | <o_cee> | perkkel\xE4 |
| 04:45 | <billytwowilly> | o_cee: Yes, I know my girlfriend isn't swedish, and I don't have an ipod, but I do have A girlfriend and an archos mp3 jukebox, so I'm fairly happy;) |
| 04:46 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: I'll ask you if I ever have any trouble;) |
| 04:46 | <o_cee> | billytwowilly: that's not what i meant |
| 04:46 | <thor_> | well, at the very least, go up to the Yuokon |
| 04:46 | <billytwowilly> | o_cee: a swing and a miss then;) |
| 04:46 | <o_cee> | ;) |
| 04:47 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: I was there twice this summer (god bless airmiles) it's a nice place. |
| 04:47 | <billytwowilly> | I wouldn't want to raise children there though. |
| 04:47 | <thor_> | cool |
| 04:47 | <thor_> | why not ? |
| 04:47 | <billytwowilly> | Both my gf's parents are teachers up there. I've heard some horror stories and I've seen some of the problems myself. |
| 04:48 | <thor_> | with natives? |
| 04:48 | <billytwowilly> | whitehorse has 3 good bars and a population of maybe 20 thousand. on a wednesday night we went out to the bar, hit all three of them and there was probably 2500 people out there with us in total. |
| 04:48 | <billytwowilly> | on a WEDNESDAY. |
| 04:48 | <thor_> | yeah |
| 04:48 | <thor_> | the locals do like to drink |
| 04:49 | <billytwowilly> | The natives do pose some problems, but those same problems afflict the other people living up there as well. |
| 04:49 | <thor_> | but, hey, that's not your problem ... |
| 04:49 | <billytwowilly> | the fetal alcohol children that would be in my kid's class would be my problem. |
| 04:50 | <billytwowilly> | Plus there just isn't the resources that there are down here. The net connection sucks, the schools computer labs were old macs, and the food was really expensive. |
| 04:50 | <thor_> | your children's education is _your_ responsibilty |
| 04:51 | <billytwowilly> | Exactly why the fetal alcohol kids would be my problem. |
| 04:51 | <billytwowilly> | I'd rather put them through school down here where they atleast have access to academic highschools like Archbishop Macdonald or the public one whose name escapes me. |
| 04:51 | <billytwowilly> | I'm a big believer in public education. |
| 04:52 | <billytwowilly> | It's the great equalizer. |
| 04:52 | <o_cee> | then you should move to sweden. |
| 04:52 | <thor_> | where they think the world is "homogenous" and "perfect" ? |
| 04:52 | <billytwowilly> | That would just lead to depression. |
| 04:53 | <thor_> | I'm in downtown DC |
| 04:53 | <thor_> | Washington! |
| 04:53 | <thor_> | DC |
| 04:53 | <thor_> | number 2 |
| 04:53 | <linagee> | does 33R means 33 ohms? |
| 04:53 | <linagee> | isn't it some weird european way of saying it? |
| 04:53 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: how does it feel to live in the city with the highest aid's infection rate per capita? |
| 04:53 | <o_cee> | it means 33^5 |
| 04:53 | <thor_> | yeah, it's a total mess |
| 04:54 | <linagee> | o_cee: 33^5? |
| 04:54 | <o_cee> | linagee: how's anyone supposed to be able to answer when you ask something totally unrelated to anything? |
| 04:54 | <linagee> | o_cee: i thought you guys in here were smart! |
| 04:54 | <linagee> | :) |
| 04:54 | <billytwowilly> | we only get the wacky news about DC up here. I pulled that tid bit of info from the guys on the classic rock station talking about the plan to put free condom dispensers in restrooms in DC. |
| 04:54 | <o_cee> | depends on the context of course |
| 04:54 | <thor_> | hey |
| 04:55 | <thor_> | I'm "downtown" DC |
| 04:55 | <linagee> | DC has a high aid's infection rate? i don't get it |
| 04:55 | <thor_> | but I'm in a rich and largely white part of downtown |
| 04:55 | <linagee> | thor_: you're rich? |
| 04:56 | <billytwowilly> | that kind of bugs me about cities. |
| 04:56 | <thor_> | well, I dunno, define rich ? |
| 04:56 | <o_cee> | that's such a stupid question |
| 04:56 | <thor_> | 2 figures |
| 04:56 | <billytwowilly> | having rich neighbourhoods. It's much more efficient to blend housing. |
| 04:56 | <thor_> | 3 figures |
| 04:56 | <thor_> | 4 figures |
| 04:56 | <thor_> | 5 figures |
| 04:56 | <linagee> | thor_: 6 figures |
| 04:56 | <o_cee> | lots of love? |
| 04:56 | <o_cee> | hmm |
| 04:56 | <linagee> | a 2 figure income is not rich. lol |
| 04:56 | <o_cee> | i need breakfast |
| 04:56 | <thor_> | what the hell are "figures" ? |
| 04:57 | <linagee> | look, i make $10/yr! i'm 'rich' :) |
| 04:57 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: heh;) I was just going to say that at 2 figures I doubt my dad would be able to help you;) |
| 04:57 | <o_cee> | simpson family? |
| 04:57 | <o_cee> | linagee: compared to african courtries? |
| 04:57 | <linagee> | thor_: are you upper-lower class or upper-middle? |
| 04:57 | <o_cee> | linagee: defined by who |
| 04:57 | <o_cee> | argh |
| 04:57 | <thor_> | eeek |
| 04:57 | <thor_> | look people |
| 04:58 | <linagee> | thor_: rich = >$200,000/yr |
| 04:58 | <billytwowilly> | linagee: If you really want to be accurate you can't just go by salary. You have to go by salary/price level of that area. |
| 04:58 | <thor_> | we should not actually be discussing my tax situatuation !! |
| 04:58 | <o_cee> | thor_: i don't think linagee read that part. |
| 04:58 | <linagee> | thor_ is declaring 5 dogs as dependants. :) |
| 04:58 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: Sorry. |
| 04:58 | <thor_> | I have no assets |
| 04:58 | <thor_> | no income |
| 04:59 | <linagee> | thor_: no job? |
| 04:59 | <thor_> | and no offshore interests |
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| 04:59 | <thor_> | I am completely poor |
| 04:59 | <o_cee> | linagee: do you always ask so many qurstions? |
| 04:59 | <thor_> | and have no sources of income |
| 04:59 | <linagee> | o_cee: only when someone says they live in a rich neighborhood |
| 04:59 | <Octane> | im so cursed |
| 04:59 | <linagee> | thor_: how old are you then |
| 05:00 | <thor_> | I'm 4 |
| 05:00 | <Octane> | lol |
| 05:00 | <thor_> | (heh) |
| 05:00 | <o_cee> | wtf linagee |
| 05:00 | <Octane> | 4 |
| 05:00 | <Octane> | tee |
| 05:00 | <Octane> | n |
| 05:00 | <Octane> | :) |
| 05:00 | <o_cee> | i only thought people where that jelous of money here in sweden |
| 05:00 | <linagee> | thor_: and you're able to carry on intelligent IRC conversation? |
| 05:00 | <linagee> | thor_: wow. must have super-genes |
| 05:00 | <billytwowilly> | I was in the paris hilton sex tape. |
| 05:00 | <thor_> | well, I'm almost 5 |
| 05:00 | <Octane> | billytwowilly next time turn the lights on |
| 05:00 | <linagee> | thor_: and your rich parents have a computer in your room |
| 05:00 | <o_cee> | i saw that clip, wtf is it?? |
| 05:01 | <Octane> | listen to this... i tried 10 different installs in the last 3 hours... fedora, redhat, and debian |
| 05:01 | <linagee> | thor_: so you can learn about the dangers of pr0n early in life |
| 05:01 | <Octane> | all of them crashed at one point or another |
| 05:01 | <Octane> | its my god damn epox board |
| 05:01 | <linagee> | Octane: try this: (it's easy) memtest86 |
| 05:01 | <Octane> | linagee: checked. np |
| 05:01 | <linagee> | Octane: if it fails, then you have problems. serious serious problems |
| 05:01 | <linagee> | Octane: np with memtest86? how many runs? |
| 05:01 | <billytwowilly> | o_cee: She the heiress of the Hilton hotel fortune. It's pretty dumb what the press has done with it though. |
| 05:01 | <Octane> | its this board |
| 05:02 | <Octane> | linagee: two |
| 05:02 | <linagee> | Octane: does the bios say the chip is getting toasty? |
| 05:02 | <Octane> | no, at a cool 39 :) |
| 05:02 | <linagee> | Octane: F? |
| 05:02 | <Octane> | C! |
| 05:02 | <linagee> | fahrenheit? |
| 05:02 | <Octane> | its this board man |
| 05:02 | <o_cee> | billytwowilly: hm, well, allright. private move that got out or somehting? hehhe |
| 05:02 | <linagee> | Octane: that's odd...... |
| 05:03 | <linagee> | Octane: memtest86 works, yet you are having problems |
| 05:03 | <Octane> | linagee: check this out |
| 05:03 | <linagee> | Octane: try underclocking? |
| 05:03 | <billytwowilly> | o_cee: Yah, she and one of her previous boyfriends made it in the privacy of their bedroom and now it's on the net. |
| 05:03 | <Octane> | 02:11.00 <Octane> im gonna time my mythtv install |
| 05:03 | <Octane> | 02:11.08 <Octane> start 2:11 |
| 05:03 | <o_cee> | billytwowilly: heh, allright. haven't read anything about it here |
| 05:03 | <Octane> | 05:03.28 |
| 05:03 | <Octane> | linagee: its the board, im sure of it |
| 05:03 | <linagee> | Octane: so it's just going slow, not unstable |
| 05:04 | <billytwowilly> | o_cee: I knew who she was before it got out because I had read some stuff on the hiltons a long time ago. |
| 05:04 | <Octane> | but thank you :) |
| 05:04 | <linagee> | Octane: does it crash, or just go slow? |
| 05:04 | <Octane> | crash right after formatting |
| 05:04 | <linagee> | Octane: and you have a good ISO burn? (md5sum checked?) |
| 05:04 | <Octane> | yup. md5 all chekcked out... even reburned cd1 of fedora just to be on the safe side |
| 05:05 | <linagee> | Octane: sorry, it's just hard to believe that a mobo that passes memtest86 would have problems installing or doing OS stuff |
| 05:05 | <Octane> | i think its the board's agp |
| 05:05 | <linagee> | Octane: physical harddrive problems? |
| 05:05 | <linagee> | :) |
| 05:05 | <Octane> | possible not likely |
| 05:05 | <linagee> | Octane: hearing any funny noises? click click clunk or anything? |
| 05:05 | <billytwowilly> | hmm. in mysql.txt on both the backend and frontend I have the ip of the backend set as the hostname and on the backend in the backend setup I have the ip set in both places that had 127.0.0.1 previously. I'm still getting this error: Unable to connect to database! |
| 05:05 | <billytwowilly> | Driver error was [1/-1]: |
| 05:05 | <billytwowilly> | QMYSQL3: Unable to connect" any ideas? |
| 05:05 | <Octane> | 1month old drive that was just fine |
| 05:06 | <linagee> | Octane: hrm. i wouldn't necessarily go too much on age of a drive to say when it's going to die. (could be factory defect) |
| 05:06 | <billytwowilly> | did I just miss something in the docs? |
| 05:06 | <linagee> | Octane: i guess it's a driver conflict or something then. |
| 05:06 | <linagee> | Octane: crummy mobo implementation or bios or something |
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| 05:07 | <linagee> | Octane: might try for a bios flash and/or different OS? |
| 05:07 | <billytwowilly> | the backend machine is also currently running a frontend. |
| 05:07 | <linagee> | Octane: (of course, if they didn't fix the problem and it continues to be a bad implementation.....) |
| 05:07 | <Octane> | linagee: flashed to latest and tried 3 different o/s' |
| 05:07 | <linagee> | Octane: OK. you have my authority. trash the board. ;) |
| 05:07 | | * o_cee is away: Gone |
| 05:07 | <Octane> | LOL |
| 05:07 | <Octane> | you know what i should do |
| 05:07 | <Octane> | i should test it with my pci video card |
| 05:07 | <linagee> | Octane: i fully support you ebaying it for half what you paid, or taking it back to the store and getting your money back if possible. :) |
| 05:08 | <linagee> | Octane: is it onboard video? |
| 05:08 | <Octane> | no, its not |
| 05:08 | <linagee> | Octane: are you using something really generic and supported for video? |
| 05:08 | <linagee> | Octane: did you check to see what the crashing error was? hrm.... |
| 05:08 | <Octane> | linagee: this box was running on an asus a7v8x-x great but i wanted to switch boards to stop ivtv's dma erorrs |
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| 05:09 | <linagee> | Octane: afaik, fedora is a bit unstable like? what other OSes you try? |
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| 05:10 | <Octane> | redhat and debian |
| 05:10 | <linagee> | Octane: when you are trying this install and it crashes, do you have PCI cards in any slots? (besides video in agp) |
| 05:10 | <Octane> | yah, i do... i tried taking them out too |
| 05:10 | <Octane> | just with video card |
| 05:10 | <Octane> | linagee no crashing error just a freeze |
| 05:10 | <linagee> | Octane: anytime i ask something, you're like "i've already tried that". LOL |
| 05:11 | <Octane> | i know dude! ive been doing this for 2 hours :) |
| 05:11 | <Octane> | err 3 |
| 05:11 | <linagee> | Octane: maybe it's not crashed...? try switching to another console? |
| 05:11 | <Octane> | i swear im gonna rma refund the asus on newegg.... maybe the cpu too *corss fingers*... get a pentium mobo + chip and be done with it. |
| 05:11 | <linagee> | Octane: try another console? |
| 05:12 | <Octane> | cant its a hard freeze in the installer |
| 05:12 | <linagee> | Octane: ctrl+alt+F1 or something? |
| 05:12 | <thor_> | ok, quick poll, how does/sould Chutt make money off of MythTV? |
| 05:12 | <o_cee> | donation |
| 05:12 | <Octane> | thor_ i think he should take donations |
| 05:12 | <thor_> | bah |
| 05:12 | <linagee> | thor_: Chutt is very nice and he is expecting lots of christmas presents |
| 05:12 | <o_cee> | :) |
| 05:12 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: find a patron just like in medieval times;) |
| 05:12 | <thor_> | crap and crap |
| 05:12 | <Octane> | during format in Fedora and right before starting to copy packages in rh |
| 05:13 | <o_cee> | go gentoo |
| 05:13 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: Why does chutt have to make money on mythtv? I thought he was an "overpaid software engineer";) |
| 05:13 | <Octane> | livecd-basic-x86-2003011400.iso |
| 05:13 | <thor_> | how does Chutt make 6 figures? |
| 05:13 | <Octane> | look its sitting on my hdd :) |
| 05:13 | <Octane> | o_cee |
| 05:13 | <linagee> | thor_: chutt works as a slimy accountant |
| 05:13 | <o_cee> | Octane |
| 05:13 | <linagee> | thor_: and shaves pennies in software programs. |
| 05:13 | <Octane> | o_cee: hello |
| 05:14 | <thor_> | Chutt works for his money |
| 05:14 | <o_cee> | Octane: hello |
| 05:14 | <Octane> | i see nothing wrong with having a paypal link on mythtv.org |
| 05:14 | <linagee> | thor_: if $0.051 + $0.01 then give chutt the extra $0.001 |
| 05:14 | <linagee> | :) |
| 05:14 | <Octane> | im scared of gentoo |
| 05:14 | <o_cee> | Octane: muhaheheheha |
| 05:14 | <Octane> | i need to load it up for the first time with someone holding my hand... not just over irc |
| 05:14 | <knight-> | anyone know how to strip html to text in perl? |
| 05:14 | <o_cee> | just print the documentation, it's good |
| 05:15 | <thor_> | bah |
| 05:15 | <Octane> | i know how to strip the html in php.. =/ |
| 05:15 | <knight-> | yeah i do too |
| 05:15 | <Octane> | lol |
| 05:15 | <knight-> | I'm not up on my perl these days |
| 05:15 | <knight-> | ditched perl long ago |
| 05:15 | <Octane> | my perl knowledge does not extend past formmail.cgi |
| 05:15 | <linagee> | Octane: This MythTV brought to you by Chutt and CVS authors around the world. MythTV, it's that thing you're watching. |
| 05:16 | <linagee> | Octane: i can see the fake advertising inserts now. lol |
| 05:16 | <Octane> | linagee: actually, for me it has been the thing i've not been watching but thats okay, ill get there. ive just had terrible luck with hardware |
| 05:16 | <linagee> | Octane: hauppauge? |
| 05:16 | <Octane> | check this out... first time around (and the next few ones) i was using alsa .9.8 with sb live |
| 05:16 | <Octane> | my box kept crashing |
| 05:16 | <linagee> | Octane: bah. alsa. bah. sb live. |
| 05:16 | <Octane> | then i figured that out finally and had dma errors because of my kt400 chipset |
| 05:17 | <linagee> | Octane: use some real hardware. like a generic CMI or VIA chipset. lol |
| 05:17 | <Octane> | now i try with my epox baord and the agp is messed up |
| 05:17 | <Octane> | i have the most ghetto hardware, i swear |
| 05:17 | <o_cee> | thor_: you did the theme stuff for myth.. it's not possible to right-alignt text, is it? |
| 05:17 | <thor_> | o_cee, at 5 am, I have no idea |
| 05:18 | | * o_cee gives thor a big hug |
| 05:18 | <linagee> | thor_: it's only 2am on the west side. |
| 05:18 | <thor_> | yah |
| 05:18 | <Octane> | i would love to see a poll of mythtv users and their o/s choice |
| 05:18 | <linagee> | thor_: i mean, err... "weside" |
| 05:18 | <Octane> | i wonder what percent use gentoo |
| 05:18 | <Octane> | thor_ where do you live |
| 05:18 | <o_cee> | go to bed and i'll go get breakfast.. talk to you later |
| 05:18 | <linagee> | Octane: thor lives in DC |
| 05:18 | <thor_> | yup |
| 05:18 | <linagee> | Octane: near rich people. but he is not rich himself being only 4. |
| 05:18 | <Octane> | lol |
| 05:18 | <Octane> | 4 |
| 05:18 | <Octane> | teen |
| 05:18 | <Octane> | remember! |
| 05:19 | <linagee> | Octane: yes. he has mutant super-genes |
| 05:19 | <linagee> | Octane: he bought them at baby gap |
| 05:19 | <Octane> | my International relations prof always shows off about how her 6 year old son reads the material we read for our 300-level course |
| 05:19 | <thor_> | this is all getting a bit complicated |
| 05:19 | <Octane> | maybe her son is thor |
| 05:19 | <linagee> | thor_: nice jeans. super genes. |
| 05:19 | <thor_> | hey |
| 05:19 | <billytwowilly> | hehehehe |
| 05:19 | <thor_> | if you all ask really nice |
| 05:20 | <linagee> | candy? |
| 05:20 | <thor_> | I'll give you a URL to see my daughter |
| 05:20 | <Octane> | thor_ what o/s are you on |
| 05:20 | <linagee> | oh wait, that's not possible through the internet. :( |
| 05:20 | <Octane> | your mythtv i mean |
| 05:20 | <thor_> | only because I'm only almost comatose with fatigue |
| 05:20 | <linagee> | thor_: sonicair me some candy! |
| 05:20 | <o_cee> | thor_: that would be sweet of you :) i'd love that. i could show a pic of my cat :) |
| 05:20 | <linagee> | thor_: (sonicair = superfast ups service for people with $$$ to burn) |
| 05:20 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: Ok, just as long as it isn't paris hilton. I'm sick of her. |
| 05:21 | <Octane> | o_cee you use gentoo for your mythbox? |
| 05:21 | <o_cee> | Octane: sure do |
| 05:21 | <thor_> | hmmmm |
| 05:21 | <Octane> | billytwowilly you see her new show? |
| 05:21 | <o_cee> | Octane: actually, it was my first real linux install ever.. (for a long time at least) |
| 05:21 | <billytwowilly> | Octane: I think everyone has. |
| 05:21 | | * linagee uses 733Mhz / 384MB / Debian unstable / PVR250 mythbox |
| 05:21 | <Octane> | its so pathetic |
| 05:21 | <Octane> | ugh |
| 05:21 | <Octane> | o_cee O_O |
| 05:22 | <o_cee> | Linux dragon 2.4.20-gentoo-r7 #2 Tue Oct 14 14:50:25 CEST 2003 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| 05:22 | <Octane> | berry berry nice |
| 05:22 | <o_cee> | yeah |
| 05:23 | | * linagee plays with mouser.com building hardware and stuff |
| 05:23 | <Octane> | okay. i think im gonan sell this box to my mom minus the pvr and then take the money and buy a pentium cpu and mobo with it |
| 05:23 | <Octane> | is that messed up? |
| 05:23 | <linagee> | Octane: !??!?!! |
| 05:23 | <linagee> | WF |
| 05:23 | <linagee> | WTF |
| 05:23 | <Octane> | LOL |
| 05:23 | <linagee> | that IS messed up |
| 05:23 | <Octane> | seriously! |
| 05:23 | <linagee> | sell a box to your mom?!?! |
| 05:23 | <Octane> | she agreed |
| 05:23 | <linagee> | what kind of kid would sell a box to their parent |
| 05:23 | <Octane> | this 22 year old |
| 05:24 | <linagee> | (especially if the mobo is so shoddy) |
| 05:24 | <Octane> | no, ill put in the asus in it! |
| 05:24 | <linagee> | Octane: i'm 22 years old too. i'd never sell shoddy equipment to mother |
| 05:24 | <Octane> | thats a good board! |
| 05:24 | <o_cee> | thor_: no? |
| 05:24 | <Octane> | this epox is whats causing the problems |
| 05:24 | <linagee> | Octane: linus was 22 years old when he made linux. i don't see you with a homemade kernel? lol |
| 05:24 | <thor_> | o_cee, http://yara.sigvaldason.net/ |
| 05:25 | <linagee> | (or was it some other age.... close to 22 anyway) |
| 05:25 | <Octane> | that one dude who cracked DVD encryption was 15! |
| 05:25 | <o_cee> | thor_: very cute! :) how old is she? |
| 05:25 | <thor_> | 19 months |
| 05:25 | <Octane> | hey thor |
| 05:25 | <o_cee> | i've got a.. uhm, my sisters daughter.. that's about 3 |
| 05:25 | <Octane> | my girlfriend is dominican |
| 05:25 | <linagee> | Octane: LOL. now that i find funny |
| 05:25 | <linagee> | Octane: a 15 year old cracking encryption |
| 05:26 | <Octane> | i've been to DR. stayed in Boca Chica |
| 05:26 | <linagee> | Octane: i could too if my parents were uber rich and they bought me o-scopes for x-mas and such |
| 05:26 | <thor_> | this was in Punta Cana |
| 05:26 | <Octane> | she is so adorable!! very nice |
| 05:26 | <o_cee> | shes adorable |
| 05:26 | <o_cee> | heh :) |
| 05:26 | | * linagee wants an o-scope very badly. |
| 05:26 | <Octane> | youve been to lebanon? |
| 05:26 | <linagee> | and an unlocked scanner. gotta have one of those. |
| 05:26 | <thor_> | many times |
| 05:26 | <Octane> | thor_ are you lebanese? |
| 05:26 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: what resort did you stay at? |
| 05:27 | <thor_> | Octane, no .. but my wife is |
| 05:27 | <billytwowilly> | is it not possible to have two frontends connect to one backend at the same time? |
| 05:27 | <Octane> | thor_: cool. im Israeli :) |
| 05:27 | <linagee> | does anyone have a few hundred dollars so i can buy an o-scope? :) |
| 05:27 | <thor_> | Octane |
| 05:27 | <thor_> | ... |
| 05:27 | <thor_> | I've been to the southern Lebanese border |
| 05:28 | <linagee> | Octane: it's quite easy actually what the 15 year old did. it's not too hard to break any hardware encryption. eventually the device has to output stuff on some pin or other... |
| 05:28 | <thor_> | and I've been to Israel's northern border |
| 05:28 | <thor_> | just folks |
| 05:28 | <linagee> | Octane: of course, they now put that sort of stuff on the fastest buses so it's very hard to read. |
| 05:28 | <Octane> | that same 15 year old cracked the ipod encoding scheme too |
| 05:29 | <Octane> | do you speak arabic? |
| 05:29 | <linagee> | Octane: i have some island property i want to sell you too.... |
| 05:29 | <linagee> | lol |
| 05:29 | <linagee> | Octane: SURE the same kid did it. SURE. |
| 05:29 | <Octane> | linagee: i swear... like 3 years ltaer there is a slashdot article about it |
| 05:30 | <Octane> | linagee: http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/22/1948253&mode=nested&tid=107&tid=141&tid=187&tid=188 |
| 05:30 | <linagee> | Octane: slashdot: "little uber kid with rich parents and unlimited hardware hacking budget cracks lots of devices" |
| 05:30 | <Octane> | look! |
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| 05:30 | | * Octane doesnt think that he should have told thor his ethnicity |
| 05:31 | <linagee> | Octane: "it doesn't yet work as advertised" |
| 05:31 | <Octane> | its alright though im an american citizen and have been living here for the past 14 years |
| 05:31 | <linagee> | Octane: are you one of those people in india that they outsource all of our IT jobs to? |
| 05:31 | <thor_> | Octane, not well, but my wife does (of course) |
| 05:32 | <Octane> | linagee no, im one of those people in new york who they outsource all of the IT jobs to |
| 05:32 | <linagee> | Octane: that's good. at least you're only one person and not another country. |
| 05:33 | <linagee> | Octane: unless... |
| 05:33 | <linagee> | Octane: you're not that "Video Professor" guy, are you? |
| 05:33 | <Octane> | lol wtf |
| 05:34 | <linagee> | Octane: jeopardy: "What is a lame infomercial?" http://www.videoprofessor.com/ |
| 05:34 | <Octane> | lol |
| 05:34 | <Octane> | no im not but when i was in 9th grade i used all my allowance to buy mega memory |
| 05:34 | <linagee> | Octane: mega memory? |
| 05:34 | <thor_> | Octane, are you in Israel/Palestine now ? |
| 05:35 | <Octane> | some shit thats supposed to make you have better memory |
| 05:35 | <linagee> | thor_: i thought you said new york!? |
| 05:35 | <Octane> | * Octane doesnt think that he should have told thor his ethnicity |
| 05:35 | <Octane> | <Octane> its alright though im an american citizen and have been living here for the past 14 years |
| 05:35 | <linagee> | 14 years.... hrm |
| 05:35 | <thor_> | wow |
| 05:35 | <Octane> | my dad lives there. 2 brothers. a sister. friends of course. |
| 05:36 | <thor_> | <linagee> thor_: i thought you said new york!? |
| 05:36 | <linagee> | Octane: which you keep in contact with through encrypted SSH channels? LOL |
| 05:36 | <thor_> | nope |
| 05:36 | <thor_> | hey |
| 05:36 | <Octane> | thor_ i live in new york |
| 05:36 | <thor_> | no issues here |
| 05:36 | <Octane> | wanna here a crazy story |
| 05:36 | <thor_> | Octane, superb |
| 05:36 | <Octane> | so i sent some problem ive been ahving to the ivtv mailing list |
| 05:36 | <Octane> | and the next day i get an email |
| 05:37 | <Octane> | from a subscriber on that list |
| 05:37 | <Octane> | who says something to thte extent of: i saw your website in your signature. i visited. |
| 05:37 | <Octane> | i saw you're israeli, into politics, etc |
| 05:37 | <Octane> | and he wrote quite a long email |
| 05:37 | <Octane> | telling me his views on the arab-israeli conflict |
| 05:37 | <Octane> | etc. |
| 05:37 | <Octane> | and asked for my opionio |
| 05:37 | <Octane> | n |
| 05:37 | <Octane> | it was pretty cool |
| 05:38 | <linagee> | Octane: 14 years? so you're like 40 years old? |
| 05:38 | <Octane> | totally out of the blue |
| 05:38 | <thor_> | ok |
| 05:38 | <Octane> | im 22 dude |
| 05:38 | <thor_> | heh |
| 05:38 | <linagee> | odd |
| 05:38 | <linagee> | just so odd |
| 05:38 | <linagee> | you were 8 when you moved? |
| 05:38 | <Octane> | yes |
| 05:38 | <thor_> | Octane, Jerusalem? |
| 05:38 | <linagee> | Octane: you don't lose many friends when you're 8. they all move away from you anyway. |
| 05:38 | <Octane> | thor_: Tel-Aviv |
| 05:38 | <thor_> | cool |
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| 05:39 | <thor_> | it is an amazing city |
| 05:39 | <thor_> | unbelievable |
| 05:39 | <Octane> | sure is "non-stop city" is its nickname |
| 05:39 | <Octane> | actually, literal translation: a city without any stops |
| 05:39 | <thor_> | Octane, some day, come to Beirut, same vibe ! |
| 05:39 | <aliz> | When I try to change Time Format in the apperance settings, the time format in the OSD when watching LiveTV still remains unchanged. Is this a known bug or should I file a bug report? |
| 05:40 | <Octane> | I wish I could. I've been to Egypt |
| 05:40 | <linagee> | Octane: wait, so you're on the east coast too. 5:40am over there for you also. hehehe |
| 05:40 | <Octane> | linagee: yah where r u |
| 05:40 | <linagee> | Octane: 'weside' |
| 05:40 | <Octane> | iight |
| 05:40 | <linagee> | Octane: i mean, west side |
| 05:40 | <thor_> | hey |
| 05:40 | <linagee> | Octane: california |
| 05:41 | <linagee> | Octane: san diego. tech capital of the world. |
| 05:41 | <linagee> | (*coughs* NOT!) |
| 05:41 | <Octane> | i was about to say |
| 05:41 | <Octane> | maybe north of tech capital |
| 05:41 | <linagee> | what i really mean is, everyone likes to THINK we are |
| 05:41 | <linagee> | lol |
| 05:42 | <thor_> | CA _is_ SF and Napa |
| 05:42 | <Octane> | thor_ check ur pm |
| 05:43 | | * linagee does not like that the US is as least 2 years behind on technology. :( |
| 05:43 | <linagee> | i mean, look at our cellphones and internet bandwidth |
| 05:43 | <linagee> | and education system. lol |
| 05:44 | <Octane> | tell me about it, i just came back from a semester in japan |
| 05:44 | <linagee> | Octane: where they had videophones and 18 hour schooldays? lol |
| 05:45 | <linagee> | Octane: and VDSL? (not yet afaik, soon) |
| 05:45 | <Octane> | yup :D |
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| 05:47 | <linagee> | bah. |
| 05:47 | <linagee> | 3k3 means 3.3k ohm |
| 05:47 | | * linagee hates european schematic notation |
| 05:57 | <o_cee> | anyone still awake |
| 05:57 | <o_cee> | ? |
| 05:57 | <Octane> | =) |
| 05:57 | <Octane> | im brushig my teeth |
| 05:58 | <o_cee> | https://dragon.dyndns.tv/mythtv/gantnewfont3.png |
| 05:58 | <o_cee> | what about that font then? |
| 05:58 | <o_cee> | don't know if you've seen the other two suggestions |
| 05:58 | <o_cee> | actually this last one looks really good |
| 05:58 | <Octane> | wow o_cee that looks great! |
| 05:59 | <choenig> | o_cee: I'd prefer that font over the other two examples :) |
| 05:59 | <Octane> | i prefer it over the first one defeintely |
| 05:59 | <o_cee> | yeah, i think so too |
| 05:59 | <Octane> | and over the second one too |
| 05:59 | <o_cee> | yepp |
| 05:59 | <Octane> | yah, third one definitely |
| 05:59 | <o_cee> | me thinkgs so too |
| 05:59 | <o_cee> | this is much more narrow, so it allows for longer texts as well |
| 06:00 | <o_cee> | another question is if i should stick a small icon at the left hand side of all the menuitems.. |
| 06:00 | <choenig> | unfortunately I have a bad flickering problem with the black borders of your fonts |
| 06:00 | <o_cee> | i'll actually give that a try |
| 06:01 | <o_cee> | :/ |
| 06:01 | <o_cee> | hardware/qt/x or soemthing i guess |
| 06:01 | <choenig> | on my TV |
| 06:01 | <o_cee> | because it's 1px? |
| 06:01 | <choenig> | on the CRT it looks great |
| 06:01 | <choenig> | probably |
| 06:01 | <o_cee> | try making it 2px |
| 06:01 | <o_cee> | the selected item is 3, does it flicker? |
| 06:02 | <choenig> | I'm not able to check this ATM |
| 06:02 | <o_cee> | okay |
| 06:02 | <choenig> | but I'll have a look |
| 06:02 | <o_cee> | let me know |
| 06:02 | <choenig> | yeah |
| 06:31 | <jeffpc> | hmm.... |
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| 06:31 | <jeffpc> | if I record something, and then want to watch TV, I get "MythTV is using all available inputs..." |
| 06:32 | <jeffpc> | and nothing is using it... |
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| 06:48 | <jeffpc> | the backend is doing something really strange |
| 06:50 | <jeffpc> | btw, that CVS from yesterday... |
| 06:56 | <jeffpc> | hmm.... |
| 06:57 | <jeffpc> | if I restart both backend and frontend, play live tv, press escape, and try to play live tv again, the frontend loses the connection to the backend: |
| 06:57 | <jeffpc> | 003-12-05 06:54:52 Using XV port 103 |
| 06:57 | <jeffpc> | 2003-12-05 06:54:52 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| 06:57 | <jeffpc> | 2003-12-05 06:54:58 ReadStringList timeout (quick). |
| 06:57 | <jeffpc> | Remote encoder not responding. |
| 06:57 | <jeffpc> | 2003-12-05 06:54:58 Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None |
| 06:57 | <jeffpc> | 2003-12-05 06:54:58 Changing from None to None |
| 06:57 | <jeffpc> | 2003-12-05 06:55:04 ReadStringList timeout (quick). |
| 06:57 | <jeffpc> | Connection to backend server lost |
| 06:57 | <jeffpc> | 2003-12-05 06:55:07 Changing from None to None |
| 06:58 | <jeffpc> | then, if I try to do anything (even play recorded stuff) the frontend freezes |
| 06:59 | <jeffpc> | if I restart only the frontend, I can't do anything |
| 06:59 | <jeffpc> | the backend is running (ps and top list it) but it is apparently not responding |
| 07:00 | <jeffpc> | btw, after the restart of the frontend, the backend doesn't add anything to the log |
| 07:00 | <jeffpc> | 2003-12-05 06:54:51 adding: jeff as a player 0 |
| 07:00 | <jeffpc> | 2003-12-05 06:54:51 adding: jeff as a remote ringbuffer |
| 07:00 | <jeffpc> | 2003-12-05 06:54:51 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| 07:00 | <jeffpc> | 2003-12-05 06:54:57 Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None |
| 07:01 | <jeffpc> | that's the end of the backend log |
| 07:03 | <jeffpc> | ok, I have to go....if anyone has any suggestions, please /msg me, I'll read them/try them when I get back home |
| 07:04 | <jeffpc> | btw, I'm using Hauppague WinTV-Radio |
| 07:04 | <jeffpc> | running 2.6.0-test11 kernel |
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| 08:01 | <hEximal> | ahh! |
| 08:01 | <hEximal> | Zap2It changed their web format about 3 weeks ago. You need xmltv 0.5.24 |
| 08:01 | <hEximal> | for it to work. |
| 08:01 | <hEximal> | :) |
| 08:01 | <hEximal> | i was wondering what the hell was going on |
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| 08:20 | <choenig> | dir |
| 08:20 | <choenig> | arg |
| 08:23 | <hEximal> | :) |
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| 09:50 | <janek> | has anyone here got mythtv cvs working with dvb-t in the UK? |
| 09:50 | <janek> | I'm having lots of problems getting it to work and could use some help... |
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| 09:52 | <janek> | or dvb-t in any country, for that matter ;) |
| 09:52 | <janek> | (with a budget card, I should mention, so I need to figure out the transport stream filtering) |
| 09:53 | <janek> | which setup seems to be broken for since the database field isn't called use_ts any longer but dvb_swfilter apparently? |
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| 10:14 | <janek> | hmm, part of the problem may be that I thought that dvb-t is qam when it is actually ofdm |
| 10:17 | <janek> | does anybody know what the symbol rate is supposed to be though? None of the other linux tools seem to use it... |
| 10:17 | <janek> | (I should mention that I've got the card working fine with tzap and dvbstream/mplayer) |
| 10:17 | <hEximal> | hmm |
| 10:18 | <hEximal> | I'm clueless |
| 10:18 | <hEximal> | I just installed .12 |
| 10:18 | <hEximal> | the directory listing runs so much better |
| 10:19 | <janek> | heximal: I presume you're using an analog card? :) |
| 10:19 | <hEximal> | pvr250 |
| 10:20 | <hEximal> | yeah |
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| 10:21 | <janek> | I have pretty much narrowed down my current problem to the way I've put the information about dvb channels in the database, I think, as it is stopping in DVBChannel::ParseQuery |
| 10:22 | <hEximal> | how much different is it for digital? |
| 10:23 | <janek> | there's some extra tables in the database that you currently have to edit by hand |
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| 10:23 | <janek> | and it's very hard to find information on what the entries in those tables mean |
| 10:24 | <janek> | and they have changed completely since the last time anyone has written howtos on it, it seems ;) |
| 10:24 | <janek> | so I'm having to pretty much figure it all out from the source code |
| 10:24 | <janek> | (which I guess means I should write a new howto if I manage to figure it out ;)) |
| 10:25 | <janek> | it also means making about 100 inserts by hand :( |
| 10:26 | <janek> | (but it's hard making an automatic script since the channel names that the scanning tools provide are different from the ones that mythtv gets from scan_uk) |
| 10:27 | <hEximal> | so your situation is fairly unique? |
| 10:27 | <janek> | and unfortunately nobody thought to put a field in the dvb_channel table to store the dvb cards name for the channels, which would make automatic tools for this kind of thing much easier |
| 10:27 | <janek> | hEximal: I'm not sure, there seems to be quite a few people on the mailing list using dvb-t in the uk |
| 10:27 | <hEximal> | well, I guess support will only get better for all cards... |
| 10:27 | <janek> | absolutely, dvb support is really new |
| 10:28 | <janek> | I'm not really complaining (too much;)), I was just hoping to find someone else who had already figured it all out ;) |
| 10:28 | <hEximal> | .12 looks clearer than .11 to me |
| 10:28 | <hEximal> | maybe i'm just imagining it |
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| 10:28 | <hEximal> | because i'm using the same driver |
| 10:28 | <janek> | don't know, I haven't really seen earlier versions |
| 10:29 | <janek> | I've pretty much got to use the cvs version for dvb I think... |
| 10:29 | <hEximal> | yeah |
| 10:29 | <hEximal> | i do the good ol rpm install |
| 10:29 | <hEximal> | hehe |
| 10:29 | <hEximal> | well I do have to build xmltv |
| 10:29 | <hEximal> | but that's easy |
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| 10:30 | <janek> | indeed |
| 10:30 | <janek> | actually mythtv is pretty simple to compile also |
| 10:31 | <janek> | and much faster now that I'm use cachecc ;) |
| 10:31 | <janek> | (I've had to rebuild it quite a few times trying to figure out where my configuration fails) |
| 10:34 | <kvandivo> | hmm.. i see gentoo just released qt 3.2.3 into the stable tree.. guess my computers are going to be busy today |
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| 10:35 | <janek> | kvandivo: you've got several computers running gentoo? In that case, are you using or are you considering using distcc with cachecc over NFS? |
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| 10:35 | <hEximal> | Jerry Springer should just have a boxing ring on his stage |
| 10:36 | <kvandivo> | i'm not using it.. does that system handle each computer having different make.conf files? (all are different generations) |
| 10:36 | <janek> | hEximal: heh, that'd be interesting |
| 10:36 | <janek> | kvandivo: should do, though you have to have similar versions of gcc running on each |
| 10:36 | <kvandivo> | i'm sharing portage dist trees via nfs to reduce downloading, but that's about it |
| 10:36 | <janek> | (ie, with compatible binary interface) |
| 10:36 | <kvandivo> | i'll have to look into it, then |
| 10:37 | <mikegrb> | I should do the same :/ |
| 10:37 | <mikegrb> | just never had the time |
| 10:37 | <mikegrb> | stuff take too much time |
| 10:37 | <janek> | I haven't tried it (don't use gentoo since my computer is way too slow to compile everything) but in theory it should allow each .o file to only be compiled once for all of the computers |
| 10:37 | <kvandivo> | not enough free time. :( |
| 10:37 | <mikegrb> | there isn't enough to begin with |
| 10:38 | <janek> | I've just been looking into it lately since I'm having to compile mythtv and my kernel so often ;) |
| 10:38 | <kvandivo> | .o files should differ depending on make flags, I would have thought.. I'm marching to p2, p3, and p4 and i wouldn't have expected equivalent .o files |
| 10:38 | <janek> | I've only got one computer at home though so I may end up trying to use distcc with a remote computer over adsl, which may or may not be advantageous |
| 10:39 | <mikegrb> | janek: I know someone doing that |
| 10:39 | <mikegrb> | kvandivo: no :/ though you should get help with distcc |
| 10:39 | <janek> | kvandivo: not all of them will, basically cachecc let's the compiler do the precompilation first and checks if the precompiled .c/cpp file is the same or not, if it's the same it uses the cached .o |
| 10:39 | <mikegrb> | oh that is spiffy |
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| 10:40 | <janek> | but presumably not all of your make.conf settings will apply for all .o files in the system, so you should get some benefit still |
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| 10:40 | <kvandivo> | interesting.. i'll have to dig.. anything i can do to reduce compilation on the 'box will help |
| 10:40 | <mikegrb> | kvandivo: I hear debian reduces it |
| 10:41 | <mikegrb> | kvandivo: wouldn't know though ;) |
| 10:41 | <janek> | mikegrb: do you know if it helped a lot for them? (unfortunately the remote box that I have easy access to doesn't have the same generation of gcc, so it makes it a tad complicated) |
| 10:41 | <kvandivo> | it would actually rock to be able to do that with myth.. my main frontend compiles in a snap, but my backend takes forever |
| 10:41 | <mikegrb> | janek: I think it helped I couldn't tell you by how much |
| 10:41 | <janek> | cachecc is a huge benefit for that just by itself, I've been using it for that since yesterday |
| 10:41 | <kvandivo> | i had to wait an hour last night to submit that patch for it compile on my backend so that i could test it properly |
| 10:42 | <mikegrb> | :/ |
| 10:42 | <janek> | cachecc is also very neat since you can do a make clean and still take advantage of the precompiled .os |
| 10:43 | <Zeran> | any PAL people here? |
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| 10:46 | <kvandivo> | gee... cachecc looks pretty simple to use.. |
| 10:48 | <janek> | kvandivo: it is indeed |
| 10:48 | <janek> | I've got it set up with symbolic links /usr/local/bin/ which makes it work with all makefile configurations |
| 10:48 | <kvandivo> | but no ebuilds for it in stable, yet... |
| 10:49 | <janek> | (mainly because I couldn't figure out how to change the compiler settings in the mythtv makefiles ;)) |
| 10:49 | <kvandivo> | i suspect you could tweak something in the .pro file |
| 10:49 | <janek> | really? That's strange you'd have thought gentoo people would kill for a c cache ;) |
| 10:49 | <kvandivo> | not even in unstable.. |
| 10:49 | | * kvandivo heads to bugs.gentoo |
| 10:50 | <janek> | there's another c cache program that they might use, something like ccache1 or so |
| 10:50 | <kvandivo> | zarro boogs found for cachecc strange |
| 10:50 | <janek> | cachecc1 |
| 10:51 | <kvandivo> | ok.. cachecc isn't there.. but ccache is |
| 10:53 | <kvandivo> | Portage 2.0.46-r11+ will automatically take advantage of ccache with |
| 10:53 | <kvandivo> | * no additional steps. |
| 10:55 | <janek> | ah, well I guess it's all automatic already anyway :) |
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| 10:56 | <janek> | No wonder I'm having trouble figuring out the dvb channel table, coderate_hp is called fec in it and constellation is called modulation ;) |
| 11:01 | <janek> | I don't suppose anybody might have an idea what "serviceid | networkid | providerid | transportid" might be? |
| 11:01 | <janek> | that's the only ones I can't figure out now |
| 11:03 | <janek> | well it managed to tune into the channel anyway :) |
| 11:03 | <janek> | I'm clearly making progress |
| 11:04 | <janek> | (can't really test if I can watch TV yet though as I'm not in front of the machine ;)) |
| 11:07 | | * janek tries to record something through mythweb ;) |
| 11:08 | <janek> | hmm, that's not working |
| 11:08 | <kvandivo> | actually, i don't think distcc would help much with myth.. sounds like distcc gets its gains from using -j, and myth doesn't support that |
| 11:09 | <janek> | it doesn't? oh |
| 11:09 | <janek> | it wouldn't help much then indeed |
| 11:09 | <janek> | cachecc definitely does though |
| 11:09 | <janek> | ccache I mean |
| 11:10 | <janek> | though in my case it would still help a little by running the compilation on a faster computer ;) |
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| 11:21 | <janek> | hmm, recording doesn't seem to quite work (the file is still 0 bytes) |
| 11:21 | <janek> | though strangely I'm not getting any error messages |
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| 11:25 | <janek> | wooohoooo, I got it working :) |
| 11:27 | <hEximal> | janek: nice |
| 11:27 | <janek> | presumably if it's recording it'll work for the rest too... |
| 11:27 | <hEximal> | ever use transcode? |
| 11:27 | <janek> | heximal: not within mythtv, I used it a very long time ago once for something else... |
| 11:27 | <janek> | I normally use mencoder for those kinds of things |
| 11:28 | <hEximal> | i'll have to rtfm on it |
| 11:31 | <janek> | though I suppose I'll have to figure out how to use transcode in mythtv given that the DVB streams have a bitrate of no less than 8.256Mbps here ;) |
| 11:32 | <janek> | (for BBC One anyway) |
| 11:33 | <janek> | so that's like 3.7GB/h |
| 11:34 | <hEximal> | yeah |
| 11:34 | <hEximal> | that's an awful lot |
| 11:36 | <janek> | should be nice quality though, that's more than a lot of DVDs ;) |
| 11:37 | <janek> | (though I presume it's realtime encoding most of the time, so that's not as nicE) |
| 11:41 | <hEximal> | heh |
| 11:41 | <hEximal> | i just transcoded and it was bigger than the original |
| 11:42 | <Zeran> | are any of you guys familiar with mythtv and PAL? |
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| 11:43 | <choenig> | Zeran: what is your problem? |
| 11:43 | <Zeran> | basically Im trying to setup mythtv with a pvr350 in australia |
| 11:43 | <Zeran> | after a long struggle I think I've sorted out ivtv.. I can do the various tests there for video in / out / tuning / etc |
| 11:43 | <choenig> | I don't have a pvrx50 |
| 11:44 | <Zeran> | but, mythtv live tv is a black screen.. I assume I need to make it do PAL somehow |
| 11:48 | <Zeran> | fair enough |
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| 11:49 | | * kvandivo hugs janek. |
| 11:50 | <kvandivo> | Everyone: sit down and listen. If you aren't using ccache, you need to be. I just compiled mythtv, did a make clean distclean, and recompiled. |
| 11:50 | <janek> | ;) |
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| 11:50 | <kvandivo> | it went so fast the compiles were just scrolling off the screen. it only slowed down to do linking |
| 11:51 | <kvandivo> | it really really rocks |
| 11:51 | <janek> | unfortunately it does seem to slow down a fair bit when you compile the QT C++ stuff if you've made any changes though, at least for me (since a lot of them are interdependent...) |
| 11:52 | <janek> | lavcdeint |
| 11:52 | <kvandivo> | ya, but there are lots of other files (like a lot of the lib directories) that will just fly now |
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| 11:52 | <janek> | indeed |
| 11:53 | <janek> | it does save _a lot_ of time |
| 11:53 | <kvandivo> | i suspect this will make me quite a bit more productive. I like doing clean distcleans, and this makes it very painless |
| 11:54 | <hEximal> | janek: i'd be happy just going to divx |
| 11:54 | <janek> | hEximal: that's what I'll probably end up doing, I guess |
| 11:54 | <hEximal> | my drive is only 30gig |
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| 11:54 | <hEximal> | atm |
| 11:54 | <janek> | though I've only got a 700MHz Duron so that limits the amount of transcoding I can do ;) |
| 11:55 | <hEximal> | yep |
| 11:55 | <hEximal> | 1200Mhz here |
| 11:55 | <hEximal> | tbird |
| 11:55 | <janek> | I'll really have to get a faster processor at some point |
| 11:55 | <janek> | also because I can't actually decode the mpeg2 and deinterlace it on the fly |
| 11:55 | <janek> | I have to use the XvMC extension on my graphics card to make it run fast enough |
| 12:00 | <janek> | I'm also kinda pissed off at NVidia for not providing a 720x572 video mode for the tv-out ;) |
| 12:01 | <hEximal> | janek: at least they have linux support |
| 12:01 | <hEximal> | ;) |
| 12:10 | <janek> | true |
| 12:10 | <janek> | though they haven't updated the drivers for months |
| 12:11 | <janek> | and I've got to use the previous-to-most-recent driver since they broke overscan support on the tv-out in the most recent version... |
| 12:15 | | * janek is going shopping |
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| 12:17 | <hEximal> | where can I get mythencoder.pl |
| 12:21 | <choenig> | hEximal: look in contrib/ |
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| 12:22 | <hEximal> | must have missed it |
| 12:23 | <hEximal> | k |
| 12:23 | <hEximal> | locate contrib |more |
| 12:24 | <hEximal> | oops |
| 12:24 | <hEximal> | on the site? |
| 12:24 | <choenig> | in the base of mythtv dir |
| 12:25 | <choenig> | http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mythtv/contrib/ |
| 12:25 | <hEximal> | ahh |
| 12:25 | <hEximal> | damn |
| 12:26 | <hEximal> | ty |
| 12:32 | <kvandivo> | awww.. JAC responded. |
| 12:36 | <hEximal> | well at least i didn't ask what cvs was... |
| 12:37 | <kvandivo> | that's the pharmacy, right? |
| 12:37 | <hEximal> | i believe it is, yes. |
| 12:37 | <hEximal> | woop, mythencode.pl makes life easy |
| 12:39 | <hEximal> | it's crazy that a drug store holds the source for all these projects. |
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| 13:41 | <mchou> | hey choenig, do you think sdwu patch can make it in time for myth 0.13? :) |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | err, it went in yesterday. |
| 13:42 | <mchou> | oh, ok, good to know. thx.... |
| 13:44 | <choenig> | :) |
| 13:44 | <mchou> | thx choenig :) |
| 13:45 | <choenig> | mchou: you have to thank Chutt for tha last hint :) |
| 13:45 | <choenig> | the |
| 13:45 | <mchou> | thx all around then :) |
| 13:46 | <choenig> | Chutt: 0.13 is still planned sometime next week? |
| 13:47 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 13:47 | <choenig> | any idea when? |
| 13:47 | <choenig> | I'll try to get the docs done before the release |
| 13:49 | <mchou> | choenig, so as far as operation/setup for sdwu, no major changes from your prior README, correct? |
| 13:49 | <choenig> | mchou: right |
| 13:49 | <Chutt> | not really |
| 13:50 | <choenig> | the WOLsqlserver is missing due to an error by me, but thats not yet documented IIRC |
| 13:50 | <mchou> | yeah, I don't think you mentioned that earlier..... |
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| 13:57 | <Zeran> | is there a specific version of myth I should be using to get maximum chances of success? |
| 14:00 | <Chutt> | the very first one. |
| 14:00 | <mchou> | hehe |
| 14:01 | <Zeran> | maybe I should append ".. and still have a reasonable set of features?" :) |
| 14:01 | <Chutt> | take a wild guess |
| 14:02 | <Zeran> | that bad huh |
| 14:02 | <Chutt> | erm |
| 14:02 | <Chutt> | why would the answer to your question be anything but 'the latest'? |
| 14:03 | <Zeran> | I assumed that too, but I've spent the last few days fighting unsuccessfully to get the latest working, so I thought I'd better check to make sure |
| 14:03 | <Zeran> | I suspect its ivtv's fault though, rather than myth itself |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | that'd probably be a good assumption |
| 14:05 | <Zeran> | oh well |
| 14:08 | <Zeran> | do any of you guys use ivtv, or are you using other drivers? |
| 14:09 | <Chutt> | everyone with a pvr-x50 card uses the ivtv drivers, which is a good chunk of people |
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| 14:09 | <Zeran> | what is the success rate like? |
| 14:10 | <paje> | hi I was thinking of trying out mythtv how does it compare to freevo ? |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | paje, ask elsewhere. |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | zeran, depends on what you're doing with it |
| 14:11 | <Chutt> | decoding is still a little iffy, since that's so new in the driver |
| 14:11 | <paje> | fair enough does it play nicely with apt on debian ? |
| 14:11 | <Chutt> | capturing is pretty near 100%, unless you're using a via-based motherboard. |
| 14:11 | <Chutt> | paje, err, there's debian packages. |
| 14:12 | <paje> | great I'll give it a try |
| 14:14 | <Zeran> | as in, 250 vs. 350? |
| 14:15 | <Zeran> | hmmmmm thats interesting |
| 14:15 | <Zeran> | decoding is working perfectly, but capturing wont work |
| 14:15 | <Zeran> | could be the via based board though |
| 14:16 | <Zeran> | don't have much of a choice with that unfortuantely |
| 14:16 | <Zeran> | is there any info on the problems with via boards around? |
| 14:16 | <Chutt> | on the mailing lists |
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| 14:17 | <Zeran> | ahh |
| 14:17 | <Zeran> | oh well, I guess I'll resume the battle tomorrow |
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| 15:00 | <o_cee> | Captain_Murdoch! there you are! where've you been? |
| 15:03 | <o_cee> | Chutt: i think i made up my mind on the font.. take a look at https://dragon.dyndns.tv/mythtv/gantnewfont3.png |
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| 15:07 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 15:07 | <Chutt> | i like the old one better :p |
| 15:08 | <Chutt> | the original font, with the 'mythtv' down the side |
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| 15:08 | <o_cee> | stupid translations is all i have to say |
| 15:08 | <Chutt> | sfr, hey, thor was asking about your audio streaming stuff |
| 15:09 | <o_cee> | makes it very hard to do this stuff :/ |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:09 | <Captain_Murdoch> | o_cee: yeah, was out of town for a while and couldn't get online much. if set, the per-recording preroll is always in effect, it doesnt' get ignored if there's a conflict. |
| 15:10 | <o_cee> | okay |
| 15:10 | <o_cee> | but the global one does |
| 15:10 | <o_cee> | next question is if the real time it says the recording should start should include the recording preroll (as it is now) or not |
| 15:11 | <o_cee> | another thing about the recording preroll. wouldn't it be better if it worked like this: if unset, the global preroll is used. if set to 0, there won't be any preroll. as it is now, i have to set -6 on the shows i don't want any preroll on (to ignore the global preroll).. or am i totally wrong there? |
| 15:12 | <Captain_Murdoch> | yeah, I think start time on that screen should include the actual starttime including per-recording pre-roll. |
| 15:13 | <o_cee> | but not including the global pre-roll..? (as it is now) |
| 15:13 | <o_cee> | (the countdown includes the global pre-roll) |
| 15:14 | <Captain_Murdoch> | global is only if there's no conflict so I'm not sure about that. if you include it in the countdown then maybe should show the time with global preroll taken into account. |
| 15:15 | <o_cee> | i'll try it and see what it looks like |
| 15:15 | <o_cee> | with the latest changes to other stuff, inside myth, all times include the prerolls as well |
| 15:15 | <sfr> | Chutt: hi, haven't had much time to work on it. last thing i started was trying to add http_proxy / redirect support. |
| 15:15 | <Captain_Murdoch> | maybe could be an option whether to use/not-use global preroll if per-recording preroll is set to non-zero. most people use global just to get an extra minute or two to make sure they get the start of a program. per-recording is when you know recordings start/end early/late. |
| 15:16 | <Captain_Murdoch> | recstarts/recendts include the per-recording pre/postroll times. recstartts is used for the filename. what other times are you referring to in myth that take preroll into effect? |
| 15:17 | <sfr> | Chutt: i'll probably have more time during the holidays |
| 15:17 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 15:17 | <o_cee> | Captain_Murdoch: i mean in the watch recording screen and so on |
| 15:19 | <Captain_Murdoch> | those are the exact times stored in the database in the recorded table. they are the actual start/stop times of a show with all pre/postroll (global and per-recording) taken into account. |
| 15:19 | <o_cee> | yeah, that's what i mean. since they're showed there, they might as well be showed on the statuspage as well |
| 15:20 | <o_cee> | the "real" starttime that is, with all prerolls |
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| 15:20 | <Captain_Murdoch> | yeah, would make sense to include actual start time there |
| 15:20 | <o_cee> | Chutt: when do you plan to put out .13? |
| 15:22 | <o_cee> | might as well get these changes in |
| 15:23 | <Chutt> | next week sometime |
| 15:23 | <o_cee> | okay, no problem then. |
| 15:25 | <o_cee> | who added the status page to mythfrontend? |
| 15:26 | <o_cee> | rkulagow... around? doesn't seem so |
| 15:28 | <o_cee> | it will probably break when there's no guide data, just like 6544 did before |
| 15:30 | | * o_cee is away: life |
| 15:37 | <mecraw__> | Any plans to popup a dialog showing what key presses are available in the current context? |
| 15:38 | <Chutt> | i don't have such plans |
| 15:39 | <kvandivo> | are you feeling an itch, mecraw__? |
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| 15:40 | <mecraw> | i am, unfortunately i'm not running on cvs at the moment |
| 15:41 | <mecraw> | it would be cool for people who don't have all the keys mapped on their remotes |
| 15:42 | <mecraw> | Each plugin handles which context it's in in its own way, right? |
| 15:43 | <Chutt> | nope, but each screen doesn't use the all the same keys in a context |
| 15:43 | <mecraw> | i don't follow? |
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| 15:47 | <mecraw> | anyway... i'll have to look at the code more closely... and i wanted to see if someone would scratch my itch before i get around to it |
| 15:48 | <kvandivo> | when put like that, it is even more obvious why you shouldn't expect anyone to add it soon just because you want it. :-) |
| 15:49 | <kvandivo> | unless, of course, you happen to be a 20 year old voluptuous coed, and then you can probably find people around here to help you out |
| 16:09 | <mecraw> | should i post my measurement then? |
| 16:10 | <mecraw> | measurements even |
| 16:10 | <dja> | (darn...you were to fast...I was just going to comment that if you only have one measurement, I best most people in here wouldn't be interested :-) |
| 16:38 | | * kvandivo looks around. |
| 16:40 | | * mecraw gets out a measuring tape |
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| 16:58 | <dja> | hey o_cee, you around? |
| 16:59 | <o_cee> | yeh |
| 16:59 | <dja> | have you looked at the status page with "links"? |
| 16:59 | <o_cee> | with links? |
| 16:59 | <kvandivo> | not real clean, huh? |
| 16:59 | <dja> | "links" is a text web browser -- for us old foggies(sp??? :-) |
| 17:00 | <o_cee> | oh |
| 17:00 | <kvandivo> | i looked at it earlier today in lynx and i suspect it looks about the same |
| 17:00 | <o_cee> | well |
| 17:00 | <o_cee> | i looked at it without css |
| 17:00 | <o_cee> | you mean the descriptions and stuff? |
| 17:00 | <o_cee> | would probably be cured with a couple of <br />'s |
| 17:00 | <dja> | yeah, it just doesn't come out real clean :-( |
| 17:01 | <o_cee> | you mean the descriptions, right? |
| 17:01 | <dja> | yup |
| 17:01 | <dja> | everything else looks pretty good... |
| 17:01 | <o_cee> | that's what i thought as well |
| 17:01 | <o_cee> | i'll fix it, it's easy i think |
| 17:01 | <o_cee> | just need some breaks |
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| 17:01 | <dja> | thnx :-) |
| 17:01 | <o_cee> | you able to test it in 5 mins? i'm recording.. |
| 17:02 | <kvandivo> | i can |
| 17:02 | <dja> | I can too :-) |
| 17:02 | <o_cee> | great |
| 17:02 | <o_cee> | hold on |
| 17:02 | <kvandivo> | Skr\xE4ckens hus |
| 17:02 | <o_cee> | house of horror :) |
| 17:03 | <o_cee> | steven king |
| 17:03 | <o_cee> | stop lookin at my backend dammit :D |
| 17:07 | <o_cee> | you can change this yourselves without a patch.. not sure what it will look like at all :) |
| 17:07 | <o_cee> | line 2566/2680: << "<br /><br />" << qstrDescription << "<br /><br />" |
| 17:08 | <o_cee> | noo. |
| 17:08 | <dja> | does "noo." mean don't do it? :-) |
| 17:08 | <o_cee> | line 2563/2680: << qstrTitle << "<br /><span><strong>" << qstrTitle << "</strong>" |
| 17:08 | <o_cee> | that's thte first one |
| 17:08 | <o_cee> | line 2572/2680: os << "' profile.</span></a><br /><br />\r\n"; |
| 17:08 | <o_cee> | try that |
| 17:08 | <o_cee> | not sure what it'll look like with css enabled.. |
| 17:11 | <dja> | hmm...sorry, I can't figure out how that applies to mainserver.cpp... |
| 17:13 | <o_cee> | heh, hold on i'll maek a diff |
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| 17:20 | <o_cee> | kvandivo: finding it? seems my lines are off a bit, i'm not entirely updated |
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| 17:38 | <o_cee> | seems like that solved it (added one more br at the end).. |
| 17:38 | <o_cee> | will try it myself later and submit a patch |
| 17:45 | <kvandivo> | back now.. reading, oc.. |
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| 17:59 | <kvandivo> | http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/~kvandivo/blah |
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| 18:14 | <o_cee> | kvandivo: great |
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| 18:19 | <Netslayer> | hey i like that, that's kinda what a mythweb status page should look like |
| 18:20 | <Netslayer> | actually that's exactly what i want, are u submitting that as a patch? |
| 18:21 | <Chutt> | err, it's in cvs. |
| 18:21 | <Chutt> | they're just fixing some issues with it. |
| 18:21 | <kvandivo> | he added a few <BR>'s, chutt |
| 18:21 | <kvandivo> | ahh.. :) |
| 18:23 | <Netslayer> | so will it be added soon? |
| 18:23 | <Netslayer> | and where is planning on showing up, part of mythweb? |
| 18:23 | <Chutt> | what part of 'it's in cvs' was difficult to understand? |
| 18:23 | <Netslayer> | oh |
| 18:23 | <Netslayer> | heh |
| 18:23 | <Netslayer> | too many windows open here |
| 18:24 | <Netslayer> | so mythweb i'm assuming |
| 18:24 | <kvandivo> | and we know what assuming does |
| 18:24 | <Netslayer> | makes an ass out of u and me ya we all know that one |
| 18:24 | <kvandivo> | no, not mythweb, net.. you running mythbackend? if so, go to http://backendmachine:6544 |
| 18:25 | <kvandivo> | there, I've done my good deed for the day |
| 18:25 | <Netslayer> | heh, guess i need latest cvs for that to work |
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| 18:25 | <kvandivo> | actually, i think the initial version of 6544 was probably in 0.11.. chutt can correct me if i'm wrong |
| 18:25 | <kvandivo> | it's look has just improved, that's all |
| 18:26 | <Chutt> | 0.8 |
| 18:26 | <kvandivo> | oh wow.. that long.. |
| 18:26 | <Netslayer> | hmm |
| 18:26 | | * kvandivo blushes. |
| 18:26 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 18:26 | <Netslayer> | oh sweet |
| 18:26 | <Netslayer> | got any surprises i probably should know? |
| 18:27 | <kvandivo> | never click on the title bar on that page. if you do, your machine will explode. |
| 18:27 | <Netslayer> | that's actually all i use mythweb for most of the time |
| 18:27 | <Netslayer> | heh |
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| 18:28 | <o_cee> | dammit, those changes fucked up the normal viewing.. |
| 18:29 | <o_cee> | got back my backend now so i can try myself |
| 18:29 | | * kvandivo pats o_cee on the head. |
| 18:30 | <o_cee> | what if i put a <hl> in there and hide it with CSS? |
| 18:33 | <o_cee> | have to do some reading to solve this |
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| 18:53 | <Chutt> | suppose i should compile before committing |
| 18:53 | <Chutt> | takes all the fun outta things, though |
| 18:55 | <warlord> | It's kinder to your supplicants.. |
| 18:56 | <Chutt> | bah |
| 18:58 | <warlord> | Heh |
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| 19:03 | <rcam> | Hello |
| 19:07 | <o_cee> | kvandivo: i htink i've got a good solution coming |
| 19:12 | <o_cee> | kvandivo: check my page now.. is that allright? |
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| 19:39 | <o_cee> | wake up kvandivo |
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| 19:57 | <o_cee> | i'm very close to unsubscibing -users |
| 19:58 | <o_cee> | Captain_Murdoch: you around? |
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| 20:00 | <o_cee> | 6544 looks beautiful in lynx now |
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| 20:21 | <o_cee> | Chutt: is it possible to see if the backend is plying back an already recorded show? |
| 20:23 | <o_cee> | seems to be some intresting stuff in tv_play.. |
| 20:24 | <o_cee> | ah well, not now :) |
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| 20:44 | <o_cee> | there |
| 20:44 | <o_cee> | diff sent |
| 20:48 | | * o_cee is away: sleepie |
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| 21:05 | <Crib> | whatddup all |
| 21:05 | <Crib> | my card came in today |
| 21:05 | <Crib> | I'm building tommorow |
| 21:05 | <Crib> | What distro are all you guys using? |
| 21:05 | <Crib> | I'm experienced with gentoo, but i'm thinking about knoppix because of ease of install. |
| 21:08 | <cesman> | using knoppmyth |
| 21:11 | <Crib> | havent heard of that whatis it? |
| 21:13 | <Crib> | i c |
| 21:13 | <Crib> | does it work out of the box with the hauppage wintv 768 cards? |
| 21:16 | <cesman> | is that card supported by bttv? |
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| 21:20 | <Crib> | yep |
| 21:20 | <cesman> | then you should have no problem |
| 21:21 | <Crib> | how long did the install take |
| 21:23 | <cesman> | depends on your hardware... |
| 21:23 | <Crib> | i guess my question is, does it "install" or does it just run off the livecd |
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| 21:24 | <paulc> | hey all: anyone have any pointers to creating DVDs from MythTV recorded mpeg2's? I've gone over transcode manpage 100 times and finally getting somewhere, but maybe there is a web page I could look at? |
| 21:28 | <paulc> | ..or maybe someone has direct experience doing this? I'm not sure I"m doing the right things to transcode and re/mplex back to a DVD-compliant stream with correct timeline, etc |
| 21:35 | <Octane> | Crib if you do autoinstall it "installs" |
| 21:36 | <Octane> | the whole process, minus the downloading of channel information will take you no more than 20 minutes |
| 21:44 | <Octane> | anyone here use suse? |
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| 21:53 | <shamoun> | hey all |
| 21:53 | <shamoun> | anyone here? |
| 21:56 | <cesman> | hello |
| 22:07 | <jeffpc> | how exactly does mythtv deal with this situation: |
| 22:07 | <jeffpc> | you want to record 2 programs, one on channel 2 and another on channel 4 |
| 22:08 | <jeffpc> | they are consecutive so, one tuner is sufficient |
| 22:08 | <jeffpc> | now...wouldn't it want to record the two programs at the same time for a very short period of time (latency is NOT 0) |
| 22:09 | <cesman> | no |
| 22:09 | <jeffpc> | hmm... |
| 22:09 | <jeffpc> | grrr...this is starting to agrivate me...why doesn't it want to work! |
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| 22:12 | <topgun98> | anyone using the Via EPIA boards? I just installed Debian on a drive and I'm having a strange problem. |
| 22:14 | <topgun98> | grah, fuck it... gotta go drinking.... I"ll worry about it tomorrow. |
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| 22:17 | <Chutt> | and kenneth wonders why i've not given him cvs write access. |
| 22:17 | <Chutt> | heh |
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| 22:31 | <brunes> | hey all... did zap2it change *again* ? |
| 22:34 | <shamoun> | zap2it? |
| 22:35 | <brunes> | xmltv |
| 22:35 | <brunes> | yes, they have |
| 22:35 | <brunes> | man they change that site too often :P |
| 22:36 | <Octane> | theyre on to us |
| 22:36 | <brunes> | likely |
| 22:37 | <brunes> | however, there's lotd of listngs providers :P |
| 22:37 | <brunes> | lots |
| 22:41 | <DogBoy> | wow again |
| 22:41 | <DogBoy> | just install 0.5.23 |
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| 22:46 | <shamoun> | DogBoy, why, what is in .5.23? |
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| 22:59 | <DogBoy> | nothing of value apparently |
| 22:59 | <DogBoy> | hehe |
| 22:59 | <DogBoy> | time to upgrade to 0.5.24 |
| 23:05 | <shamoun> | DogBoy, why, does the newer version get the tv listings from a different site |
| 23:06 | <DogBoy> | oh, does it? |
| 23:06 | <DogBoy> | it's got all these modules I need to install too |
| 23:06 | <DogBoy> | jeepers |
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| 23:11 | <shamoun> | DogBoy, i was asking you if it does |
| 23:12 | | * shamoun has some problems |
| 23:12 | <DogBoy> | no idea |
| 23:12 | <DogBoy> | what's the problem? |
| 23:12 | <shamoun> | my linux box is working beutifully |
| 23:12 | <shamoun> | but my windows box won't let me replace windows with linux |
| 23:13 | <DogBoy> | what does that have to do with mythtv eh |
| 23:13 | <DogBoy> | :-) |
| 23:13 | <shamoun> | DogBoy, i have some questions about video in linux, i was hoping you could fill me in |
| 23:13 | <DogBoy> | shoot |
| 23:14 | <shamoun> | DogBoy, i want to install debian on my multimedia box and use mythtv for capturing video |
| 23:14 | <DogBoy> | if I don't know (chances are high) maybe someone can rescue me |
| 23:14 | <shamoun> | i also want to be able to use my dvd burner to burn the video i capture |
| 23:15 | <shamoun> | will i be able to record the video captured by mythtv to dvd? |
| 23:15 | <DogBoy> | pretty sure |
| 23:15 | <DogBoy> | already made some vcds |
| 23:16 | <DogBoy> | I don't have a dvd burner |
| 23:16 | <shamoun> | k00l |
| 23:17 | <DogBoy> | are you using debs or knoppmyth? |
| 23:19 | <jeffpc> | where is the code that checks the DB and decides when to start recording? |
| 23:21 | <jeffpc> | let me guess: |
| 23:21 | <jeffpc> | void Scheduler::RunScheduler(void) |
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| 23:28 | <jeffpc> | what is this saying: |
| 23:28 | <jeffpc> | QDateTime lastupdate = QDateTime::currentDateTime().addDays(-1); |
| 23:29 | <jeffpc> | subtract one day from today's date? |
| 23:29 | <cmorgan> | yep |
| 23:29 | <jeffpc> | hmmm... |
| 23:30 | <jeffpc> | but then, this will fail all the time: |
| 23:30 | <jeffpc> | if (CheckForChanges() || |
| 23:30 | <jeffpc> | (lastupdate.date().day() != curtime.date().day())) |
| 23:30 | <jeffpc> | curtime is just currentDateTime() |
| 23:31 | <jeffpc> | not fail... |
| 23:31 | <jeffpc> | it will be true, and that's bad in a way... |
| 23:34 | <jeffpc> | btw, I'm looking at Scheduler:RunScheduler() |
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| 23:45 | <RAruler> | irrecord seems to be giving me really odd values, I have a Leadtek RM-0010 that came with my Leadtek Winfast TV2000 XP, but irw gives me nothing with the included lircd.conf, and irrecord is giving me some pretty whacked out values |
| 23:46 | <RAruler> | ie: they don't match the stuff on lirc.org, but I did manage to make it work at one point, but I can't remember how :( |
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| 23:57 | <CyberKnet> | I'm getting rather muffled sound from my M179 (no transcode, bitrate @ 384, 480x480 - 10,000/12,000) . Should I bring this up in here or in ivtv-dev? |
| 23:58 | <cmorgan> | like you are under water? ;-) |
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