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---Logopened Mon Dec 08 00:00:25 2003
00:04<Netslayer>auto volume control would be cool... hard to implement but cool
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00:26<billytwowilly>is it possible to get the ep guide to shade out timeslots where you have something recording?
00:26<billytwowilly>maybe just box the entire timeslot in some color?
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00:29<ChaosExiguum>billytwowilly, I think at the moment no, but that would be a nice feature to add ;-)
00:30<billytwowilly>ChaosExiguum: If you send an email to the devel list I'll let you claim it as your own idea;)
00:30* billytwowilly is too lazy to sign up
00:32<moegreen>there is an icon in there now right?
00:32<billytwowilly>I think it's only on the specific show that is being recorded though.
00:32<billytwowilly>when there are 80 channels it's hard to tell if you have something recording in that time slot or not.
00:32<moegreen>oh - so you would want the entire area blocked off...interesting
00:33<billytwowilly>not so much blocked off, as maybe blocked in a color. I wouldn't want it to affect me being able to set something else to record.
00:33<ChaosExiguum>or at least colored once there are no more free tuners during that time slot
00:33<Netslayer>i have 500.. it's impossible to find stuff recording
00:33<billytwowilly>like a big rectangle around the time period.
00:33<moegreen>Currently the guide is drawn one show at a time starting at the top then across the scehdule, then onto the next channel
00:34<billytwowilly>maybe it could be one color for atleast one thing recording and another color for no available tuner cards?
00:34<Netslayer>u guys using the multiple tuners, mythtv handles assigning livetv/recordings to the free tuners right u don't have to pick em?
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00:34<billytwowilly>Netslayer: I believe so.
00:34<ChaosExiguum>thats what they tell me, I only have one tuner myself
00:34* billytwowilly only has one tuner
00:35<Netslayer>well i will know soon enough, hopefully for livetv it takes the local one, or else i will be crisscrossing data streams accross 54g
00:36<Netslayer>which is another good q, is ringbuffer for livetv local to the computer capturing it or local to the computer watching it
00:36<billytwowilly>Netslayer: I think you set the main tuner, then the second one
00:36<billytwowilly>and it records in that order always.
00:36<Netslayer>ya i think i was reading about that on the docs
00:37* Netslayer dreams of a working mythtv network, as nothing works right now
00:38<Netslayer>actually i never thought of two people watching live tv at the same time crisscrossing cards
00:38<Netslayer>that will be fun to check on the 54G heh
00:40<Netslayer>well at 4000KB/s say for livetv that's about 500-600KB/s per stream so 1000-1200KB/s should be fine with the network
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00:55<hadees>anyone use a hauppage grey remote and ogle for dvd with mythtv?
00:55<billytwowilly>I just use mplayer..
00:55<billytwowilly>it's easier.
00:56<hadees>what do you do about title menus? and are the keys mapped already to it?
00:57<billytwowilly>heh;) I'm not really interested in title menus, I was actually happy when I found it just going straight to the movie;)
00:58<hadees>does it always work well though? i remember having trouble with some movies going into the wrong thing
00:59<billytwowilly>I don't know, I haven't used it too much for dvds the five or so I've watched worked just fine.
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01:31<billytwowilly>thor_: you there?
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02:37<hadees>i just found a problem i never thought of and was wondering how others deal with it, apparently the football game moved back the show i was watching so i recored the first half of walker texas ranger and when it ends i am guesssing it will end to soon
02:37<hadees>any way to fix this? i don't know if you can do it automatic but if you noticed it mabey you could inform mythtv how far behind it is
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05:38<Zeran>anyone home?
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08:03<Rapala>morning kids
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08:18<hEximal>g'morn adult.
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08:49<Rapala>im no adult
08:49* Rapala is only 22
08:51<hEximal>you're not a toys r us kid
09:09<Zeran>anyone here get that "Waited 2 seconds for data to become available" problem?
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09:20<warlord>Zeran: check you backend log and dmesg...
09:20<warlord>(yes, I get that periodically, too -- generally because there is no data or ivtv has hung)
09:23<Zeran>yeah.. it seems to be one of the few remaining annoyance type bugs?
09:24<Zeran>usually when it happens here, the backend continues running but the frontend needs to be killed and restarted
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09:28<warlord>Yea, but it usually happens due to something ELSE..
09:28<warlord>Sometimes I've found that the backend needs to be restarted, too
09:28<Zeran>yes, that seems to happen occasionally
09:29<Zeran>its very mysterious
09:29<warlord>Do you use ivtv driver?
09:29<warlord>Have you checked your kernel logs to see if you got an ivtv timeout?
09:29<Zeran>timeout waiting for firmware?
09:29<warlord>Among others, but yea.
09:31<Zeran>I've seen that in there, yeah
09:31<Zeran>often it seems to have no effect
09:31<warlord>that is the ultimate cause of the timeout..
09:31<warlord>ivtv stops sending data
09:31<Zeran>I haven't positively correlated it with a freeze, but it could well be related
09:31<warlord>so the backend stops being able to send data
09:31<Zeran>ahh I see
09:31<Zeran>interesting that the backend is able to recover
09:31<warlord>Well, it sometimes can..
09:32<Zeran>I would have thought if anything, the frontend could recover but the backend could not
09:32<Zeran>but it seems the reverse
09:32<warlord>when you stop the front end, it stops trying to read from the device.
09:32<warlord>sometimes this is enough to unwedge ivtv
09:32<Zeran>so the backend detects this and shuts down ivtv
09:32<warlord>(but not always)
09:33<Zeran>I guess the easiest short term solution would be to patch the front end so that it too can recover.. I guess it would have to drop back to the menu
09:33<Zeran>but you're right, that isnt really solving the root cause of the problem
09:33<warlord>yea, have it periodically check the event loop when it's stuck in that 'waiting' loop.
09:33<warlord>but it would be a good thing to change.
09:34<Zeran>yes.. there appears to be a flag which can break that loop, but I guess it does not get set
09:34<Zeran>its interesting that the front end stops receiving keyboard input too..
09:34<Zeran>almost as if that thread is blocked
09:35<Zeran>perhaps if the keyboard input were still working, it would be possible to issue an exit command which would then perhaps set the flag to break out of the read loop
09:35<warlord>that's what I mean by 'event loop'
09:35<Zeran>has anyone created such a patch?
09:36<warlord>I dont think so.. You care to work on it?
09:36<Zeran>I'm trying.. I can break it out of the loop easily enough by having it time out if the data doesn't arrive in some period
09:37<Zeran>but what I'd really like to know is, why is the gui/event handling blocked?
09:37<Zeran>it is odd
09:37<Zeran>I hear this problem only appeared in version .11 or something?
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09:38<warlord>Well, I didn't start using myth until 0.11, so I couldn't tell ya.
09:40<Zeran>assuming a simple front end patch can work..
09:41<Zeran>that leaves us with the mysterious ivtv timeout
09:41<Zeran>do your logs reveal which firmware call is timing out?
09:42<warlord>this should be discussed on #ivtv-dev, and a lot of people are working on that.
09:42<warlord>Also, see some of the last messages on the ivtv-devel mailing list
09:43<Crib>ne1 here?
09:44<warlord>nope, nobody here but us lights....
09:44<warlord> .... and we're out.
09:48<warlord>Zeran: FWIW, there was a patch sent out to ivtv-devel last night that might fix a number of bugs including the firmware timeout (maybe).
09:49<Zeran>oh really
09:49<Zeran>I'll have to check that out
09:49<warlord>Yea, a patch by Anduid
09:49<warlord>er, Anduin
09:52<Zeran>where can I view this list?
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09:53<warlord>Zeran: try the ivtv homepage and follow the links?
09:53<warlord>it's QUITE obvvious
09:53<Zeran>yes, I'm there now :)
09:54<Zeran>have you applied the patch?
09:56<warlord>not yet, but I plan to do so RSN.
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10:15<Zeran>it sounds promising
10:15<Zeran>nothing seems too broken
10:16<Zeran>the thing is, it fixes a condition on shutting down the encoder
10:16<warlord>yes, i know.
10:16<Zeran>so that can explain problems/timeouts when the encoder is started next time
10:16<Zeran>but it doesnt explain timeouts in the middle of an encoding session
10:17<Zeran>which is what seems to be causing the data stoppage -> frontend hang
10:17<warlord>i've never seen it happen in the middle of an encoding session.
10:17<Zeran>its usually shortly after some event like a channel change.. and I think(?) myth closes and reopens the encoder when it changes channel?
10:18<Zeran>so it could be it then
10:18<knight->damn, still cant get this tivo to update over ethernet :(
10:18<Rapala>i want to take my pants off
10:18<Rapala>but i won't
10:21<thor_>Chutt, mythmusic filename.utf8() patches ?
10:24<Zeran>so now I see the "EOS interrupt not received" thing at the end of every capture
10:24<Zeran>but that is expected, as now no interrupt is sent
10:24<Zeran>all good so far
10:24<Zeran>I also see a timeout waiting for firmware on every end capture.. still trying to work out if that is expected too, or not
10:25<warlord>that I dont know.
10:26<Zeran>this one is thrown by the decoder, not the encoder
10:26<Zeran>every time the decoder is shutdown
10:26<warlord>oh, you're using -350 tv-out?
10:27<warlord>I dont trust that, yet... it hangs wayyyyy too often for my taste.
10:27<Zeran>that concerns me too
10:27<warlord>I can crash the system (hard) in 5 minutes.
10:27<Zeran>it has trouble with seeking, but pure playback seems to work well
10:27<Zeran>and the OSD stuff is awesome
10:28<warlord>Except I dont like how the EPG+LiveTV works.
10:28<Zeran>hows that?
10:28<warlord>I'd prefer the old-style video-in-the-corner method.
10:28<Zeran>transparently overlayed?
10:28<Zeran>oh, yes
10:29<Zeran>I guess they dont have a choice with that
10:29<warlord>Makes it REALLY HARD to read the EPG -- especially for my wife.
10:29<Zeran>unless the decoder can position the video arbitarily
10:29<warlord>You could always, oh, stop using the decoder for video...
10:29<Zeran>which one thinks it probably cant
10:29<warlord>Turn the alpha up so the EPG is opaque..
10:29<warlord>and play the video via the FB
10:30<Zeran>get coding then :)
10:30<warlord>paying work comes first.
10:30<Zeran>there seems to be code that does that already for previewing recordings
10:31<Zeran>back to testing
10:38<Crib>What should I try if after installing myth and bttv when i go to 'watch tv' the screen goes black
10:38<Crib>like how can i test the tv card seperate from myth
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10:40<Zeran>a bt card
10:40<Zeran>I guess you need some other software that will use it
10:41<Zeran>maybe some kind of simple tv viewer
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11:38<MrWh1t3>can you increase the quality of the ati tuner card
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11:52<mdz>Crib: xawtv
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12:44<dja>thor - you around?
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13:29<pahli_bar>is manual scheduling turned off in myth
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13:41<Rule>Hello. I am having problem watching livetv on pvr350 tvout... I get no picture (black screen), but sound is fine. I thought mythtv did the ivtvfbctl automatically ?
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14:19<Peit|Home>how can i remove a commercial flagging for a given program? i think it's causing a program to skip forwad 89 secs, when the program doesn't have commercials
14:20<Chutt>don't turn on automatic commercial skipping?
14:21<thor_>Chutt, do we want to do anything with the music .utf8() filename patches ?
14:21<Peit|Home>is that a keypress?
14:22<GreyFoxx>What is the recordedmarkup table for ?
14:22<Chutt>i don't think they're correct.
14:22<GreyFoxx>I've got 32 thousand entries in it, all appearing to be from Nov 25th but I have no idea what it is :)
14:22<Chutt>peit|home, no
14:22<thor_>didn't seem to quite make sense to me ...
14:23<Peit|Home>Chutt: o.k. ta,
14:23<Chutt>greyfoxx, you've got the source...
14:23<GreyFoxx>I know, I was just lazy for a moment
14:23<GreyFoxx>*goes to look for himself*
14:24<Peit|Home>is keys.txt available on the website, i believe it used to be, but i can't find it now
14:24<Chutt>it's in the source and in every single binary package.
14:25<thor_>and it's on the website
14:25<Chutt>if you use viewcvs
14:25<Peit|Home>doh, forgot about viewcvs, soryr
14:25<Chutt>thor, i'd think local8bit would be more appropriate
14:25<Chutt>than utf8
14:27<thor_>ok ... I don't really understand character encoding stuff ... you want me to just go through and do the local8bit() substitutions ?
14:27<racer32>where is the shutdown option?
14:27<Rule>darn, still having the blank screen problem. Sound is ok. Can anyone point me in the right direction ? I'm running into walls with this global/localalpha stuff :(
14:28<racer32>i allways had this option but now its gone, with the latest CVS
14:32<Chutt>thor, i'll test some things
14:32<Chutt>so don't worry about it
14:33<thor_>btw, the key bindings stuff works great ...
14:34<thor_>but I wonder if we want a flag in the database and a switch on the php to do for all hosts ?
14:34<Chutt>thought about that but decided against it
14:35<thor_>drop down selector in the php for host ?
14:36<thor_>(just trying to figure out how not to have one apache per myth box ... but I'm sure you've already grasped that :-) )
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14:38<racer32>chut you saw my question? any idea? did i miss something on the list?
14:39<Chutt>yes, you did.
14:39<warlord>Chutt, always the helpful soul....
14:42<racer32>hmmm have to look then again, thnx helpful soul!
14:43<racer32>ok found it! thnx
14:44<dja>thor: you here?
14:44<racer32>but if i wish to shutdown, it means i wish to shutdown, so i don't give a damn about cheduled recordings!
14:44<racer32>and i think many more
14:45<Chutt>so add a shutdown button to your main menu
14:45<Chutt>nobody's stopping you
14:47<Peit|Home>don't suppose there's a way of not running the commercial detection on a given scheduled recording/channel, i know i can clean it up afterwards, but is there a way through the gui?
14:47<racer32>:) could expect such a answer from you, damn youre such a great programmer, only you're so................GRRRRRRRR :(
14:47<dja>chutt: any comments on if it's possible to save the position in the show you're watching before "jumping"?
14:47<Chutt>if you don't have automatic commercial skipping on, it won't automatically skip
14:47<Chutt>dja, sure, it'd be easy
14:47<dja>cool -- I'll look into it - thanks. :-)
14:48<Chutt>in fact, i think if you just turn on the automatic position saving
14:48<Chutt>it'd work
14:48<dja>I've got it turned on, but it doesn't seem to be working for me...hrm...
14:48<Chutt>i may be bypassing something in there, i don't remember
14:56<racer32>is someone writing a pocketpc remote control app for mythtv?
14:57<racer32>if i want to start such a thing what is the best to communicate with mythtv i mean:
14:57<racer32>how do i know on which screen i am?
14:57<Chutt>you'd have to write that.
14:57<racer32>:) youre so funny!
14:58<racer32>so mfd can't/won't be a part in that?
14:58<Chutt>mfd doesn't have anything to do with the frontend yet.
14:59<racer32>yet, i know, but it could do such a thing i think!
14:59<Chutt>it won't for a while yet.
15:00<racer32>chutt you know dvb-s streams?
15:01<racer32>ok last one
15:02<racer32>why does mythmusic not ff or rew with the IR?
15:02<Chutt>because you didn't set up the proper key for it?
15:03<racer32>no no no, if i skip the music skips 1 time (few seconds), music stops after a long wait it goes on
15:03<Chutt>oh, because mythmusic's audio output is picky about bad sound drivers
15:03<racer32>alsa? audigy?
15:04<racer32>hmmm, damn again!
15:04<racer32>can you please make me happy today on some point?
15:04<thor_>dja, I am now
15:07<racer32>think not
15:07<racer32>maybe next time
15:07<racer32>thnx chutt
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15:07<dja>thor: I was going to ask you the best way to debug mtd, but I think I've figured it out: start ripping a dvd, then use gdb to attach to the already running process?
15:08<thor_>gdb mtd ?
15:08<dja>gdb mtd <pid>
15:08<thor_>but, be warned, the mtd is quite buggy
15:09<dja> is mfd going to replace mtd? (sorry for my ignorance :-)
15:09<thor_>that's the plan
15:10<dja> works most of the time, just a little frustrating when it dies after I've queued up 8 jobs...:-) I'll just learn to be more patient and only queue up 1 or 2 jobs at a time...thnx
15:10<thor_>yeah, it's useable if you don't flex it too much
15:10<thor_>but it's pretty crappy code
15:11<dja>:-) I like flexing things...I'm finally getting around to re-ripping my dvd's (transcode seems to do about 20% better on the compression over the Winders product I used many moons ago to make my current collection)
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15:21<billytwowilly>thor_: you there?
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15:49<thor_>I am now
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15:53<billytwowilly>thor_: I asked my dad about that thing we were talking about.
15:53<billytwowilly>should I private message you?
15:54<thor_>probably best to send me an e-mail (
15:54<billytwowilly>sure, I'll fire one off right now.
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15:57<billytwowilly>it's fired off.
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15:59<billytwowilly>no prob.
15:59<billytwowilly>If you want any more info just fire me off an email.
15:59<billytwowilly>Ok, cheers.
15:59<PeteCool>were there some changes to themes lately, besides the rank->recording priority stuff?
15:59<PeteCool>I'm getting errors on a </textarea> tag
16:00<PeteCool>Failed to get selector object.
16:01<Rule>Hi folks. When playing livetv, the picture "shakes": about 2 times per second or so, the image shifts down a line, and back up one. This does not happen when performing a raw test using dd from video0 to video16. I have not seen anything like this documented, any ideas ?
16:02<thor_>you got ivtv the PAL settings on an ntsc screen (or vice versa) ... probably
16:02<Rule>hmm I'm on pal
16:02<thor_>PVR-x50 ?
16:02<Rule>yeah 350
16:03<thor_>you've got an NTSC setting loaded (sounds like)
16:03<Rule>hmm a mpdule option ? afaict all is ok... raw test is ok.. so something with myth setting somewhere ?
16:06<Rule>hmm cool let me test
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16:08<Rule>that cured it, all of myth is functional now.
16:08<Rule>thanks thor_
16:08<thor_>now write up exactly what the problem was, how you fixed it, and send it to rkulagow
16:08<Rule>I fixed several problems though :)
16:09<Rule>all silly undocumented things
16:09<thor_>Document them: -->
16:10<Rule>does he maintain the myth docs ? I will also try to fill them in the wiki of ivtv
16:11<thor_>myth docs, yup, the PAL_NTSC jumping thing should go in the Troubleshooting
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16:12<PeteCool>yay, fonts and most items of my theme aren't recognized anymore... all I did was update from cvs of about a month ago to latest
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16:14<Chutt>petecool, stuff changed :p
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16:18<PeteCool>Chutt, do I have to have altarea's in ui.xml? or is that only optional?
16:18<Chutt>should be optional
16:19* kvandivo yawns softly to himself.
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16:23<Peit|Home>chutt do you know if anyone is working on program detection, here in .uk we have little signals as part of the broadcast that say if a program is running overtime/late
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16:25<Chutt>not that i'm aware of
16:26<Peit|Home>chutt i presume such a thing isn't possible, afaik there's know way to alter the record time of a show in progress?
16:26<Chutt>it'd be a couple lines of code
16:26<Invisi>Peit|Home: I'm sure you could code it to be so. :)
16:26<Chutt>nothing difficult.
16:27<Invisi>all I know is that it uses a lot more cpu to decode my atsc card than xine or mplayer.
16:27<Invisi>oh well
16:28<kvandivo>the hardest part would probably be to get the decoder (be it x50, or whatever) to detect that 'little signal that is part of the broadcast'
16:28<thor_>for the bazillionth time, live is recorded, which is more or less the definition of a PVR
16:28<Invisi>thor_: I can record the live stream, and watch it, with less cpu power than myth
16:28<thor_>do that then
16:29<Invisi>I am, just been playing with mythtv. I have that pchdtv card
16:42<bishop>has anyone posted a howto on taking programs recorded with myth and creating dvd's that can be played in dvd players?
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16:45<kvandivo>NOTICE: Call cMemoObject.ReplyToSender() are not the intended
16:46<kvandivo>recipient. :)
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17:02* kvandivo wonders to himself if globalsettings has any plans to finish compiling this century.
17:09<billytwowilly>question: If I have 2 frontends and two backends If I set set one backend up as a slave to the other master and I have the two frontends connecting to the master backend will they automatically use the backends on the best backend for them? ie, will they use the backend on their own machine or their designated backend?
17:25<sfr>hm, anyone else noticed that playback of mjpeg files is broken?
17:25<kvandivo>i had noticed, but i decided i'd keep a secret and hope that it fixed itself. (just kidding.. totally kidding...)
17:26<sfr>broken as giving wrong colours. mplayer plays them fine though. is that ffmpegs fault?
17:27<Chutt>sfr, can't think of anything else it'd be
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17:29<sfr>i looked in the ffmpeg ml at sourceforge but didn't found others reporting it. i just subscribed to sourceforge and ask there.
17:29<warlord>sfr: try using mplayer with ffmpeg's codecs
17:30<sfr>warlord: an older mplayer version plays them just fine. or did you mean to verify the problem lies in the ffmepg libs?
17:31<dja_>Chutt: I've made a simple patch for the save position problem...but it only works if you've select "save position and exit". To get it to save if you've selected "Always prompt" requires a larger (and not as clean) patch. Do you have a preference?
17:32<warlord>sfr: the latter.. tell mplayer to specifically use the ffmpeg codec.
17:33<kvandivo> Greiner's genealogy research, which began in 1973, has made history relevant for her and she said it can be a great way to interest young people in the past as well.
17:33* kvandivo mutters something under his breath about his mouse.
17:33<sfr>uhm, that requires me doing work ;)
17:34<thor_>the term "command line interpreter" wasn't meant to describe the user :-) <--- that's hilarious
17:35<Chutt>sfr, it could very easily be something i'm doing wrong in mythtv's interface to libavcodec
17:36<Chutt>put up a 20MB clip or so from the beginning of a file
17:36<Chutt>and i'll take a look at it later
17:36<sfr>Chutt: i think it started after the avcodec resync some weeks ago, but i'm not sure as i don't use this tuner card very often anymore.
17:37<kvandivo>globalsettings is _still_ compiling
17:38<sfr>Chutt: thanks, i'll have it ready tomorrow (it's midnight over here)
17:38<kvandivo>ha! it just finished
17:38<PeteCool>Chutt, mythtv isn't using some of my png's anymore (arrow, selectbar), but is succesfully using others (lines)... file permissions are the same for both, and the <image function= and filename= > parts are the same as in, eg, liquid
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17:39<PeteCool>I really don't see what could be wrong... any ideas?
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17:39<PeteCool>the files are fine, I checked them on my desktop
17:39<PeteCool>files-> png's
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17:40<robbie__>just upgraded cvs and noticed mute doesnt work
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17:42<warlord>Hmm, why isn't the scheduler using all four of my PVR cards?
17:42<sfr>Chutt: before wasting your time, should i update to latest CVS first? my checkout is from around 11/16
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17:43* sfr knows the answer but asks anyway
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17:44<sfr>warlord: because you have been a naughty boy?
17:44<warlord>sfr: :-P
17:44<robbie>damn nickservs
17:45<robbie>anyhoo, anoyone noticed keybinging for mute not working in latest cvs ?
17:45<robbie>or am i missing something ?
17:46<warlord>Hmm.. And I then set up a different program instead and it gets properly scheduled on encoder #4..
17:46<warlord>I think there is "
17:46<warlord>"something afoot"
17:54<PeteCool>Chutt, are dropcolor and shadow still valid <font> arguments? I don't see them anymore in blue's or liquid's ui.xml
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18:00<Chutt>robbie, read the commits list
18:00<Chutt>petecool, should be
18:00<Chutt>sfr, nothing's changed there for awhile, so no, you don't need to update
18:02<robbie>ooh, mythweb
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18:29<o_cee>hiya all. just wanted to pop by and say that tv_grab_sn is removed from xmltv because the upstream provider requested it. xmltv won't support it anymore. there is a patch on the xmltv list that makes it send a useragent to get around it.. but i thought i'd let you guys know in case anyone asks about it
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18:29<o_cee>Captain_Murdoch: you there?
18:30<sfr>o_cee: so you can check the tv schedule daily with Mozilla but not via a script? weird
18:31<o_cee>Chutt, thor, steelep, warlord, sfr and everyone else, hi ;)
18:31<o_cee>sfr: yeah.. they seem to have blocked by useragent
18:31<o_cee>and xmltv don't want to do it that way, easely patched thou
18:32<o_cee>question is how long it'll lastnow that they're aware of it
18:33<steelep>I really need to figure out my epg from sat
18:33<warlord>hiya o_cee
18:33<steelep>but i'm not using dvb on myth right now
18:34<steelep>I have a borked diseqc switch I think
18:34<o_cee>steelep: problem is that's only like two shows ahead.. at least here. best bet would probably be to get a card that does VBI and grab from there
18:34<o_cee>oh :/
18:34<steelep>we get 5 days at least
18:34<o_cee>that's nice
18:34<o_cee>my provider changed to conax now, so i'm pretty fucked unless i buy a subscirption from them
18:34<robbie>same here :)
18:35<o_cee>gonne rip that pos card outta there when i put in the 350
18:35<o_cee>warlord: got the 350 workin allrite yet?
18:35<steelep>well, I really need to get sofcam working too, but that's supposed to be a secret ;)
18:35<o_cee>no need for me anymore, conax isn't fun
18:36<o_cee>and they just got disney channel! bargh
18:36<steelep>it sounds crazy but this is oh so much easier to code in c# :)
18:36<warlord>o_cee: no, but I'm focussing on getting all 4 PVR-x50 tuners working, first.
18:36<warlord>it still doesn't reliably work with all four cards.
18:36<o_cee>hehe, okay. i'll have a 350 and a 250 soon
18:37<o_cee>hope that's no problem
18:37<steelep>it just seems retarded to re-encode an already digital signal
18:37<o_cee>steelep: you saw my new backend status page?
18:37<steelep>no, not yet, been fighting hardware wars all weekend
18:38<steelep>one og my raid5 arrays lost 2 drives
18:38<steelep>and my diseqc stops working when it gets cold...
18:39<steelep>pretty nice o_cee
18:39<o_cee>me thinkgs so too
18:39<o_cee>happy with the result
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18:39<steelep>I have so much work to do I don't know where to start
18:39<billytwowilly>thor_: I fired you off an email with Terence's email address.
18:39<o_cee>steelep: know what you mean
18:42* o_cee is away: need to finish this stuff... :( boooring
18:42<steelep>life sux when you loose 240G you thought you would have extra :(
18:42<steelep>at least the proce of 250g satas is finally dropping to something reasonable
18:43<sfr>steelep: what type of hdd?
18:43<steelep>one ibm and one wd went bad
18:43<steelep>both 120s
18:43<steelep>I was planning to upgrade to 4 250s next month
18:43<steelep>then use the 120s elsewhere
18:44<steelep>but now I had to replace 2 of the 120s
18:44<warlord>I've got 3 250s and 1 350
18:44<steelep>so I have to put off the upgrade yet another month
18:44<warlord>i have a significant number of recording problems.
18:44<steelep>I have 2 4 drive sata raid arrays
18:44<steelep>can't wait to get them both up to 1T each
18:45* robbie uses lvm
18:45<steelep>1.5T usable should hold me for a few months
18:45<o_cee>you guys need to, dunno. burn stuff or delete stuff ;)
18:45<steelep>if I had lvm I would have lost data
18:45<o_cee>i delete it when i've watched it
18:45<steelep>I didn't loose anything on raid5
18:46<o_cee>if it's anything i want to keep, i buy it instead
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18:46<steelep>I don't want to reload 2000 cds
18:46<o_cee>talking about tv-shows/movies
18:46<steelep>so buying it is immaterial
18:46<steelep>I have over 1000 movies too
18:47<steelep>they all sit in "the library"
18:47<o_cee>yeah well, i like having them in my real collection instead
18:47<o_cee>if it's worth saving
18:47<steelep>I do, that's not the point
18:47<steelep>it takes weeks to reload them
18:48<steelep>re rip the cds to divx, cds to mp3
18:48<o_cee>don't see why you want to rip your dvd's to divx and keep them on a hd
18:48<steelep>even a backup would be several hundred dvds
18:49<steelep>because I share them between a half a dozen machines
18:49<steelep>I have real video/music on demand for my whole library
18:50<o_cee>people do things different ways ;) still don't see the point in having 2000 dvd's on computers instead of just grabbin the disc when you want to see it.. i mean, you don't watch the same movie _that_ often
18:50<sfr>but 2000 dvd's take a lot of space in the living room
18:51<o_cee>sure, but they look good :)
18:51<steelep>exactly, searching for a flick is too hard manually
18:51<steelep>especially if I am in bed
18:51<o_cee>and the point in buying dvd's is the quality, wich you loose with divx.. anyway :)
18:51<billytwowilly>I like having all my stuff on the hard drive. It's just point and click then...
18:51<sfr>o_cee: think biiig :)
18:51<steelep>I loose next to nothing the way i encode them
18:51<steelep>not that noticable anyway
18:52<o_cee>then you don't have the right equipment watching it ;)
18:52<steelep>of course I do
18:52<o_cee>i bet
18:52<o_cee>but you see my point
18:52<o_cee>but you can't say that you don't loose quality.
18:52<steelep>you can encode full resolution and not loose much
18:53<steelep>so I drop from 4-9g to about 1.5-3g per movie
18:53<o_cee>if you'd have them as .vob i'd be happy :)
18:53<steelep>I could do that if 1T hds were out
18:54<steelep>but then I'd want everything in highdef
18:54<steelep>16T raid array.... probably 4-5 years away
18:54<steelep>I tried jukeboxes, they are complete crap
18:54<o_cee>if you have a disk over, let me know ;) feel very small with my tiny hd's heheh
18:55<sfr>and i thought my 120gb hdd was big :(
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18:55<steelep>I here quotes that 1T will be normal for a system in 2005
18:55<o_cee>yeah :)
18:56<o_cee>don't see the need for, like, my parents to have that thou
18:56<o_cee>you know, "normal" people
18:56<steelep>5 yrs ago 1T emc arrays were $1m
18:57<steelep>your kidding, digital camcorders will be all you need to fill it up pretty fast
18:57<steelep>I mean HD digicams
18:57<o_cee>yeah sure.. but camcorders feel very 80-ish
18:57<warlord>Hmm, a 1TB 2.5" (laptop-size) drive...
18:57<steelep>at 8g an hour that's not much space
18:57<sfr>who would want to watch all those family events anyway?
18:58<steelep>lots of folks want to edit and share them
18:58* o_cee really needs to do some work
18:58<steelep>or you could just have a straming capture going for a month of Exxxtasy
18:58<o_cee>there we have it! :) that's what you've got on those drives
18:59<o_cee>then i see your point with picking movie from the bed, hehehheeh
18:59<steelep>just my damned music collection which plays 24/7 crashes everything I try to use it with that isn't sql based
19:00<sfr>well, the porn industry has always been pushing technology
19:00<o_cee>very true sfr
19:00<billytwowilly>god bless the porn industry and their technology pushing;)
19:00<steelep>I better go home
19:00<sfr>steelep: what are you using as a player?
19:01<warlord>ok, all 4 are recording...
19:01<steelep>i've tried winamp, sonique, itunes, wmp9, musik and myth
19:01<steelep>only musik and myth work against the library
19:02<steelep>it's not really the player at fault, its the library
19:02<steelep>they all try to load every friggin song in the library to search in ram, it's not very bright
19:02<o_cee>bleh, only have like 2000 albums.. thought it was more :\
19:03<steelep>anything over 1000 chokes most library apps
19:03<steelep>I have to do autoplaylist thingies for mythmusic
19:03<o_cee>anyone know of a music player thingie that could run like a jukebox? on a touchscreen or something?
19:03<o_cee>steelep: always only play by album really
19:04<steelep>I play mostly by genre
19:04<steelep>I get tired of albums most of the time
19:04<o_cee>whopp. checkin it
19:05<sfr>o_cee: just found mpd.
19:05<o_cee>mpd? allright, gogglin
19:05<steelep>who wants to buy more hardware when we have 3 or 4 myth frontends already :)
19:05<o_cee>The Myeloproliferative Disorders-.... don't think so
19:06<steelep>a simple sql query playlist creator in myth would work wonders
19:06<steelep>i'm gonna have to hammer that out soon
19:06<sfr>o_cee: not sure if it fits your needs.
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19:07<sfr>or not. try instead
19:07<o_cee>trying to fin some screens
19:08<o_cee>no no :/ need something to run like next to a stereo
19:08<sfr>o_cee: there's a patch to, a web-based frontend to a music collection. haven't tried it myself yet
19:08<steelep>what's wrong with your mythbox...
19:09<steelep>get a zaurus to use as a controller
19:09<o_cee>not for me, for my sister
19:09<steelep>anyway, I digress.
19:09<steelep>I have to go home.
19:09<o_cee>synthmeme: you've got those stuff? seems neat.. trying to find a screenshot
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19:11<o_cee>synthmeme: does it run without a screen? like an old fashioned cd-player? seems very neat
19:14<o_cee>oh yikes, they where expencive
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19:32<synthmeme>i have an ARQ20
19:33<synthmeme>i bought it 3-4 years ago
19:33<synthmeme>paid about a grand
19:33<synthmeme>it's not great
19:34<synthmeme>the remote sucks, and the remote interface lacks some really important features (like the ability to delete music through the java or windows remote interface)
19:34<synthmeme>but once you set up your playlists, it just runs and runs
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19:36<o_cee>synthmeme: allright, it was a bit pricey.. probably better of doing something made of standard components myself
19:37<bobnvic>anyone able to explain the conflict resolution determination to me? I have it set to use recoring priority and to use it first, but it doesn't seem to follow the priority consistently.
19:40<bobnvic>in some cases I can set the priorities to anything at all and it will make no difference as to which show get the #1 encoder (I have two)
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19:46<billytwowilly>bobnvic: do you have two backends and two frontends?
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20:23<bbeattie>I'm using the command, "mplayer -zoom -fs -mc .0001 -autosync 60 -vop pp=0x20000 -ao oss -ac hwac3 -vop denoise3d 6:3:6 -sws 4 -dr -quiet /misc/myth/video/Out_Cold.avi-000" on a transcoded dvd (down from 4gb to 1.4) and have only ac3/toslink output. The dvd audio works fine before a transcoding, but mplayer is not decoding the transcoded audio so that my DD/dts receiver can do the ac52 decoding. Any ideas on how to do this?
20:25<bbeattie>I have to send the dd receiver wav/dd/dts for it to decode(play) but I think once I transcode it, it's sending the audio as/is which it shouldn't be for hac3. I've not yet found a way to force mplayer to do some audio decoding and send the dd receiver what it can handle.. that's what I believe needs to be fixed, any ideas on how is much appreciated, thanks in advance. :)
20:26<bbeattie>ahh shoot, wrong channel
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20:27<bbeattie>(But atleast people can see what I use to get the best video quality and video smoothness. :)
20:30<kslater>getting ready to do another myth cvs update, recompile, redeploy. I've tried to keep up with MythDev, but I've fallen behind. Anything to watch out for?
20:31<kslater>My last update was probably about 10 or 14 days ago.
20:33<bbeattie>.. anyone know what the new keys are for rating adjustments for mythmusic?
20:33<thor_>set them yourself, via mythweb
20:34<bbeattie>hmm, I obviously haven't used mythweb for a while.. Warning: Failed opening '/var/www/tv/program_listing.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/pear') in Unknown on line 0 ;)
20:35<thor_>cvs update mythweb
20:36<bbeattie>it's newthor_: latest,
20:36<thor_>cd mythweb ; cp -r . /my/htdocs/dir
20:36<thor_>more README
20:39<kvandivo>any idea what lines of code turn the words 'Master Mixer Volume' white in the settings area? I've borrowed the slider code to put a slider up in a playbackbox, but the label and lcd value are showing in a bright blue that's barely different than the background of the popup box
20:39<kvandivo>(change that 'bright blue' to a 'dull blue' )
20:40<thor_>settings dialogs do different things than themed dialogs
20:40<bbeattie>thor_: is php 4.2.2 needed for sure? (am using 4.1.2)
20:40<thor_>I doubt it
20:41<bbeattie>thor_: phpmyadmin works fine, hmm
20:42<thor_>kvandivo, which playbackbox?
20:43<thor_>(you can always set the palette values based in things you grab from the inherited ThemedDialog)
20:43<kvandivo>i'm adding in my ranking code.. using a slider that the user can just slide left or right
20:43<kvandivo>and it is currently really hard to read. :)
20:43<thor_>I'm not that's a MythThemedDialog
20:43<phar0e>I'm building a MythFrontend tomorrow :>>
20:43<kvandivo>i don't think it is..
20:43<kvandivo>i think that MythPopupBox probably turns everything else white
20:44<kvandivo>but the configWidget() code apparently puts things virgin into a QHBox
20:44<kvandivo>and I think that is where the 'white' is getting dropped
20:44<kvandivo>I guess I'll write a version of configWidget that passes in the foreground colors and then make the widgets inside of that inherit them
20:44<thor_>you might ask the parent for its palette, assign that, and then stick the slider into the popup
20:45<kvandivo>yep.. i think we are saying the same thing. :)
21:00<bbeattie>thor_: permissions issue was the problem, more than just those two subdirs needed to be chowned to the web user
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21:06<poptix>god damn
21:07<poptix>mythbackend crashes every 3 hours or so
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21:10<Netslayer>guess it's not that buffer pause is it?
21:11<Netslayer>how are those pvr 250's running these days? Do they work just as well as the V4L cards?
21:12<phar0e>v4l 4 life
21:12<poptix>pvr 250/350/itvc15 based cards _are_ v4l
21:12<robbie>still a few probs
21:13<Netslayer>oh really.. k, so what's the probs.. generaly
21:13<Netslayer>thinking about popping my dad's 250 into his pvr instead of my ati wonder ve
21:13<robbie> /join #ivtv-dev
21:13<robbie>they will tell you
21:13<Netslayer>that doesn't sound promising but ok
21:15<poptix>dont send people to ivtv-dev, you ass
21:15<poptix>Netslayer: go to the website and read the FAQ
21:15<poptix>or read the mythtv FAQ
21:16<Netslayer>they have a site? ivtv sourceforge?
21:16<poptix>uh, yeah
21:16<Netslayer>heh u just went to ivtv and told me
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21:21<billytwowilly>anyone on shaw cable in canada here?
21:47<o_cee>Netslayer: thanks for the comment on the status page the other day, i read it :)
21:47<o_cee>hiya thor and kvandivo
21:48<synthmeme>the status page is cool. you should integrate it into the MythWeb UI
21:48<o_cee>synthmeme: won't be time before .13, but we'll look at it after that
21:48<Netslayer>i've always wanted that in mythweb
21:49* o_cee is away: i'm back dammit.. and it's 4 am. argh
21:49<Netslayer>anyone fix that buffer pause bug? noticed some backtraces in the dev list
21:50<o_cee>damn i'm tired
21:51<kNetAway>Hmmm... I think that my myth box is recording everything on PAX instead of the channel it is supposed to be on.
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21:51<CyberKnet>Man. If it were on any other channel, you *might* get some decent as a consolation prize... but PAX!!! heh
21:52* CyberKnet goes to scan the mailing lists
21:52<Netslayer>ir not working?
21:52<CyberKnet>Nup, no ir involved.
21:53<Netslayer>uh oh
21:53<CyberKnet>two M179's. I'm pretty sure I read something about it on the list. So that is my first port of call =)
21:53<CyberKnet>That, and syslog =P
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22:22<az`>can i setup mythtv for russia channel frequency table?
22:22<billytwowilly>az`: that'd be dependent on xmltv.
22:23<billytwowilly>sorry. xmltv for listings. dependent on you know the russian frequencies I think.
22:23<az`>btw, can i use mythtv without xmltv? there is no listings for russia, anyway
22:24* o_cee is away: sleep?!?
22:25<DogBoy>they have tv in russia?
22:25<DogBoy>been wondering about that too
22:25<DogBoy>how to use it without an internet connection and showtimes
22:26<az`>so it's not possible to use mythtv without inet connection?
22:26<DogBoy>I don't know
22:26<billytwowilly>"in russia, TV watches you'
22:26<billytwowilly>darn family guy;)
22:28<synthmeme>that's a yakov smirnov reference first
22:29<Netslayer>is that being broadcasted anywhere as reruns?
22:29<synthmeme>Anyone seen what the TiVo Canada project has done with xmltv?
22:29<Netslayer>i would check my mythbox if it were runnning :-(
22:29<synthmeme>They've combined the zap2it listing with IMDB data
22:30<synthmeme>netslayer: which one: family guy or yakov smirnov?
22:30<Netslayer>family guy
22:30<synthmeme>cartoon network, mon-thurs @ 11:30
22:30<Netslayer>they are using linux boxes to grab tv listings?
22:30<synthmeme>i think it also plays @ 2:30AM
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22:31<Netslayer>hmm i think that's the only channel i don't get with DTV
22:31<synthmeme>look @ that fu-berlin site
22:31<synthmeme>they've got the entire IMDB database
22:31<synthmeme>looks like IMDB makes their db available free for non-commercial use
22:33<az`>does anybody knows the way to use mythtv without inet connection?
22:34<Rapala>that might be cool for mythTV and mythDVD cross referencing
22:38<kslater>thor? Just updated cvs and I'm (still) getting this error trying to compile mythdvd:
22:38<kslater>dvdprobe.cpp: In member function `bool DVDProbe::probe()':
22:38<kslater>dvdprobe.cpp:557: `DVDUDFVolumeInfo' undeclared (first use this function)
22:38<kslater>dvdprobe.cpp:557: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each
22:38<kslater> function it appears in.)
22:38<kslater>what did I miss?
22:40<kvandivo>woo hoo! i now have white text
22:40<kslater>nevermind, looks like a too old libdvdread..
22:40<bobnvic>does anyone know how I can force a recording to use a particular encoder? I have two encoders and would prefer the PVR-250 be used for a show over the bttv, but recpriority doesn't have an effect. any other way, or know why priority wouldn't work?
22:41<bobnvic>I have the settings for "use priority to resolve conflict" and "use priority ranking first" set
22:41<billytwowilly>wow. that's cool. I wasn't aware that you could hack a tivo to work up here in Canada.
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22:43<Teflon>sweet caseS:
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22:44<kslater>or do I need libdvdread-devel as well.
22:46<bobnvic>kslater: yeah, you need libdvdread-devel. for mandrake it's actually libdvdread3-devel
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22:51<Netslayer>Teflon, $$ :-)
22:51<billytwowilly>Teflon: I could buy that.. or I could buy a mb + CPU + ram..
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22:52<Teflon>maybe some decade i'll get a new case.
22:52<billytwowilly>Teflon: You're in Canada?
22:52<billytwowilly>What part?
22:52<PeteCool>hmm, mythweb cvs seems to be broken
22:52<PeteCool>index.html redirects the browser to main.php... which doesn't exist
22:53<billytwowilly>Teflon: I'm using the cd-100 with my microatx nforce2 mb. works great.
22:53<billytwowilly>it's also only 69 bucks and looks nice.
22:53<Teflon>system is too busy to load a webpage right now (burning dvd+ripping cd)
22:53<Teflon>give me 10 mins :)
22:54<billytwowilly>heh. now worries.
22:55<CyberKnet>has anyone had any trouble with myth refusing to change channel? i.e. if you press up/dn or pgup/pgdn or go into the guide, choose a new channel and press m then it just reverts back to the channel you were already on?
22:56<CyberKnet>This would also apply to any scheduled recordings... almost like Myth can only tune one channel
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22:57<Teflon>wonder if i should upgrade to latest cvs or not.
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