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00:45 | <CyberKnet> | Anyone have any good sites I can go to with regards to making patch files apply cleanly? |
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00:46 | <CyberKnet> | make that "with regards to learning how to make" |
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00:58 | <DogBoy> | what keys set cutlist marks? |
00:58 | <billytwowilly> | space |
00:58 | <DogBoy> | ah |
00:59 | <billytwowilly> | atleast one 0.12 that I'm running. you have to be in edit mode though. |
00:59 | <DogBoy> | yes |
01:00 | <billytwowilly> | it should pop up a window. |
01:00 | <billytwowilly> | delete before, delete after, etc. |
01:00 | <billytwowilly> | you can also hit "z" to import the commercial cuts. |
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01:05 | <WkdLester> | Hi all, I have come to pick your brains =).... I have just installed mythtv, and when I watch live tv or record, the video is a bit messed up.. It looks like the vertical hold is off, I get part of the top of the picture on ... |
01:05 | <WkdLester> | the bottom.... anyone heard of this before? (XawTV works fine) |
01:05 | <billytwowilly> | never heard of that before. |
01:05 | <WkdLester> | it's really strange |
01:05 | <billytwowilly> | did you search the mailing list? |
01:06 | <WkdLester> | yeah |
01:06 | <Netslayer> | what country u in |
01:06 | <WkdLester> | not really sure what keywords to use though |
01:06 | <WkdLester> | I'm in canada |
01:06 | <Netslayer> | ok shouldn't have a prob |
01:06 | <WkdLester> | I use NTSC, us-cable |
01:06 | <billytwowilly> | what part of Canada? |
01:06 | <Netslayer> | might need to fine tune your tuner settings |
01:06 | <WkdLester> | Manitoba |
01:06 | <Netslayer> | oh here we go |
01:06 | <Netslayer> | what |
01:06 | <Netslayer> | heh |
01:06 | <billytwowilly> | I'm in Edmonton, Alberta |
01:06 | <Netslayer> | i'm from wpg |
01:06 | <WkdLester> | cool, Brandon her |
01:06 | <WkdLester> | here |
01:06 | <billytwowilly> | what card are you using? |
01:07 | <WkdLester> | Leadtek winfast 2000 xp |
01:07 | <WkdLester> | I have built mythtv with this card before, and I didn't have to do anything too weird to make it work. Then my hd died, so I'm rebuilding it |
01:07 | <billytwowilly> | Is that a bttc card? |
01:07 | <billytwowilly> | er. bttv |
01:07 | <WkdLester> | bttv |
01:07 | <WkdLester> | yes |
01:08 | <WkdLester> | I"m using bttv version 0.7.96 on debian unstable |
01:08 | <billytwowilly> | you should search google for what to put in modules.conf |
01:08 | <billytwowilly> | I had to put some stuff in there to get the card properly identified before the card worked properly. |
01:08 | <WkdLester> | hm... but if something was wrong in modules.conf, wouldn't that affect Xawtv too? |
01:08 | <Netslayer> | u might want to post on the list |
01:09 | <WkdLester> | I posted to the list earlier today |
01:09 | <billytwowilly> | hmm. yah it should mess up xawtv too. |
01:09 | <Netslayer> | ur using the tuner right |
01:09 | <WkdLester> | yeah... card=34 tuner=2 |
01:09 | <Netslayer> | i believe u can finetune your settings.. that could be it |
01:10 | <WkdLester> | Well I noticed with mythweb, you can enter numbers to finetune each channel, but I've played with it a bit and it doesn't seem to help. |
01:10 | <Netslayer> | hmm |
01:12 | <WkdLester> | When I try to fine tune the channels, they either get clearer or fuzzier, but it is still messed up vertically |
01:12 | <billytwowilly> | have you tried messing with the overscan settings? |
01:13 | <WkdLester> | no, where would I do that? |
01:13 | <billytwowilly> | in the tv setup I think. |
01:13 | <billytwowilly> | perhaps in the backend setup program. |
01:13 | <billytwowilly> | but the channles are fuzzy as well? |
01:13 | <WkdLester> | hm I'll give that a try |
01:13 | <WkdLester> | no, the channels are clear |
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01:13 | <WkdLester> | unless I mess with the fine tuning |
01:13 | <billytwowilly> | ok, you might want to try the overscan then.. |
01:14 | <WkdLester> | ok I'm gonna try that. |
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01:22 | <DogBoy> | nuvexport not using cutlist |
01:23 | <DogBoy> | is it something I ate |
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01:38 | <WkdLester> | Hey just out of curiosity, what kernel version are you guys using? |
01:46 | <Netslayer> | 2.4's |
01:51 | <WkdLester> | k.. I'm using 2.4.20 |
01:52 | <WkdLester> | atm |
01:52 | <billytwowilly> | DogBoy: Did you import the cutlist first? |
01:52 | <DogBoy> | what's that |
01:55 | <billytwowilly> | did you go into edit mode while watching the recording and import the commercial cutlist and/or make your own? |
01:56 | <DogBoy> | no commercials on this one |
01:56 | <DogBoy> | I made my own |
01:56 | <billytwowilly> | ok.. I don't know then. sorry. |
01:59 | <WkdLester> | Anyone have a favorite linux dist for installing mythtv on? |
02:00 | <dopez> | WkdLester: just use a dist what you know/are comfortable with |
02:00 | <WkdLester> | yeah, that's why I chose debian... I've used it the most out of all of them... |
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02:01 | <dopez> | im using debian sarge for my backend, sid for the frontend , works just fine |
02:01 | <WkdLester> | what's your tv card? |
02:02 | <dopez> | 2 pvr250's |
02:02 | <travail101> | hey how do i get MythMusic tables in my database |
02:02 | <WkdLester> | I'm using sid for both frontend and backend (2 machines) |
02:02 | <travail101> | ? |
02:02 | <WkdLester> | dunno travail, haven't got that far yet... lol |
02:03 | <travail101> | oh well... thnx anyway |
02:03 | <WkdLester> | I would assume that it does it automagically when you install mythmusic |
02:04 | <travail101> | well then i migh be having MySQL authentication problems... |
02:04 | <travail101> | i was having trouble with MySQL passwords |
02:05 | <WkdLester> | that's probably it... I've installed Mythmusic once before, a few months ago, and I don't remember having to do anything to put the tables in there |
02:05 | <travail101> | would you know how to get it to not need a password and stuff? |
02:06 | <Chutt> | most default installations of mysql don't set up a password without prompting you to enter one. |
02:06 | <Chutt> | so if there is a password set, you're the one that set it |
02:06 | <travail101> | yea... but now i want to unset it |
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02:06 | <travail101> | i thought i had to set one |
02:07 | <Chutt> | you can, or you can't, it doesn't really matter. |
02:07 | <travail101> | well, how do i get MythMusic tables in my Database? |
02:07 | <Chutt> | you follow the instructions in the documentation on the website? |
02:07 | <travail101> | i looked thru it, but there's a lot of documentaion |
02:08 | <travail101> | i looked under MythMusic |
02:15 | <thor_> | bah |
02:15 | <WkdLester> | I agree |
02:15 | <dopez> | heh |
02:16 | <tmk> | chutt: is there a way to index a .nuv without commflag? |
02:16 | <travail101> | so no one can help me? |
02:16 | <dopez> | if the backend exist without a segfault, and message or error would gdb be any use to figure out what happend? |
02:16 | <dopez> | and/any |
02:17 | <tmk> | dopez: only if you put a break at the error |
02:17 | <Chutt> | tmk, not really |
02:17 | <tmk> | can i modify it to just index and not flag? any tips there? |
02:17 | <dopez> | there wasnt any error, it just drops to the shell without any message |
02:17 | <tmk> | dopez: have you tried with -v all? |
02:17 | <Chutt> | tmk, probably, but i wouldn't know where to look |
02:17 | <tmk> | someone else wrote it eh |
02:18 | <Chutt> | travail101, read the docs, every single thing you need to do is in there. |
02:18 | <dopez> | tmk, not yet, i'll give that a try |
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02:19 | <tmk> | "i looked thru it, but there's a lot of documentaion" |
02:19 | <tmk> | that's great |
02:19 | <dopez> | heh |
02:19 | <WkdLester> | indeed |
02:20 | <WkdLester> | can you just come to my house and do it for me? --- is what he meant |
02:20 | <tmk> | for the record. avidemux is very nice. kudos to the authors |
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02:21 | <dopez> | avidemux is what virtualdub is for windows if i may say so.. |
02:21 | <Bonkers> | is there any easy way to force myth to think that you don't have xv support so it will fall back on the non-xv stuff? |
02:21 | <tmk> | perhaps in settings.pro |
02:21 | <Chutt> | export NO_XV=1 |
02:21 | <tmk> | or that |
02:21 | <Bonkers> | easy as in not modifying the source and recompiling |
02:21 | <Bonkers> | I'll try that one |
02:22 | <thor_> | some reason you want to force non-Xv on a system that has it ? |
02:22 | <tmk> | i have an aversion to x's next to v's |
02:22 | <Bonkers> | helping someone debug their system, xawtv only works in grabdisplay mode with the -noxv option |
02:22 | <thor_> | ah |
02:22 | <Bonkers> | no idea what xv has to do with capture modes though |
02:22 | <thor_> | screenshot ? |
02:23 | <Bonkers> | hmm? |
02:23 | <Chutt> | if their graphics card doesn't do xv, don't even bother trying to get things running. |
02:23 | <Bonkers> | it's a geforce2 |
02:23 | <Bonkers> | certainly does xv |
02:23 | <Chutt> | xvinfo says...? |
02:23 | <Bonkers> | lots of stuff |
02:23 | <Chutt> | then it should work fine |
02:24 | <Bonkers> | ya, must be some other problem |
02:25 | <thor_> | Chutt, you want me to wander through the post-keybindings stuff in mythmusic and make the defaults closer than they were before ? |
02:25 | <Chutt> | naw, i changed em on purpose :p |
02:25 | <Chutt> | to better fit in with the tv playback keybindings |
02:25 | <thor_> | ok |
02:25 | <thor_> | had to bite the bullet at some point |
02:26 | <thor_> | but we're going to get FAQ'd |
02:26 | <Chutt> | yeah, but it's all in mythweb now |
02:26 | <thor_> | yup |
02:27 | <thor_> | new complaints about <?> versus <?php> and "Where do I download mythapache?" |
02:27 | <thor_> | :-) |
02:29 | <Chutt> | heh |
02:29 | <WkdLester> | why, mythapache.sourceforge.net of course ;) |
02:30 | <thor_> | mfd is moving along nicely ... |
02:30 | <Chutt> | cool |
02:30 | <thor_> | multi-threaded http server is more or less done |
02:30 | <thor_> | so daap serving will come back soon |
02:30 | <Chutt> | cool |
02:30 | <thor_> | and a lot of other serving mechanisms |
02:30 | <thor_> | it's actually looking very cool |
02:32 | <Chutt> | heh |
02:32 | <Chutt> | finally re-installing debian on my epia-m |
02:33 | <thor_> | I got the mfd (so mythlib) working on that slow thing the VIA contest people sent me on Sunday night |
02:33 | <Chutt> | heh |
02:33 | <thor_> | kinda cool |
02:33 | <Chutt> | it is my main production box :p |
02:33 | <Chutt> | fast enough with a pvr-350 in it |
02:34 | <thor_> | heh |
02:34 | <thor_> | also, as a data point .... |
02:35 | <thor_> | I'm going to be out of the country again between dec. 12 and jan 2 |
02:35 | <Chutt> | heh |
02:35 | <Chutt> | long time |
02:35 | <Chutt> | that's ok, i'm hopefully going to be spending a bunch of time finishing our basement |
02:36 | <thor_> | heh |
02:36 | <thor_> | cat 5 ? |
02:36 | <Chutt> | framing and drywall :p |
02:36 | <thor_> | excellent |
02:38 | <thor_> | exterior wall/water issues/vapour barriers or just straight 2x4's and mud ? |
02:38 | <Chutt> | putting up a vapor barrier, but it's really quite dry down there |
02:38 | <thor_> | tyvek? |
02:39 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
02:40 | <thor_> | I may have the spelling very wrong (tuvek ?) |
02:40 | <Chutt> | haven't bought that yet :p |
02:40 | <thor_> | it's the stuff they do exterior wraps with now |
02:40 | <thor_> | and it's supposed to be really good |
02:40 | <Chutt> | just had stuff that's too big for my car delivered over the weekend |
02:41 | <thor_> | heh |
02:41 | <thor_> | redid a whole kitchen 18 months ago .... anything that didn't fit in the car was 'nixed |
02:41 | <thor_> | (except appliances) |
02:42 | <thor_> | hard work ... but good when it's done :-) |
02:42 | <WkdLester> | much like mythtv, huh? |
02:43 | <thor_> | on the contrary |
02:43 | <thor_> | myth will never be done |
02:43 | <WkdLester> | ok true |
02:43 | <WkdLester> | I was more referring to building a mythtv box |
02:44 | <thor_> | ah |
02:44 | <thor_> | nice to get it working, yup |
02:44 | <dopez> | myth might never be done, but it will allways be cool :) |
02:44 | <WkdLester> | hard work for newbs like me ;) |
02:46 | <WkdLester> | I noticed some dude is building mythtv boxes and selling them on eBay. I wonder what he is gonna do when XMLTV breaks again |
02:46 | <thor_> | caveat emptor |
02:46 | <dopez> | WkdLester: run fan away with his money :) |
02:46 | <WkdLester> | indeed |
02:47 | <dopez> | fan/far |
02:47 | <DogBoy> | is it possible to set it up where a newer version of xmltv gets installed automatically when it breaks? |
02:48 | <thor_> | sure |
02:48 | <thor_> | you just need about 1/4 of a million in venture funding and a "mythsubscriber" user base of customers |
02:49 | <thor_> | (or some very very clever Perl) |
02:49 | <Chutt> | or just an update process running in cron. |
02:49 | <WkdLester> | I suppose in theory you could just release a patch for it |
02:49 | <DogBoy> | guess it would depend on how much they changed it |
02:50 | <thor_> | question of return values |
02:50 | <thor_> | ? |
02:55 | <thor_> | speaking of listings, does anyone (Chutt?) know where snapstream gets their feeds, and has anyone talked to them about a rebranding just their listing service under an OEM-ish deal? |
02:55 | <Chutt> | zap2it |
02:55 | <Chutt> | iirc. |
02:56 | <thor_> | hmmm |
02:57 | <thor_> | and where is zap2it on a person-by-person xml-ish listing feed (you talking to them?) ? |
02:57 | <Chutt> | i get occasional updates about that |
02:57 | <Chutt> | no launch date, as far as i'm aware |
02:57 | <thor_> | they were right on the verge of something like a $4/month thing iirc ? |
02:58 | <Chutt> | no idea anymore |
02:58 | <thor_> | hmmmm |
03:00 | <thor_> | nice to tie the "Chutt the benevolent" dvd database and reccomendation engine to an actual listing resource ... user might as well get their money's worth |
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03:03 | <sfr> | Chutt: still awake? the mjepg sample file is at http://sfr.dyndns.org/mythtv/mjpeg_sample.nuv. have patience as it's only 128kBit upstream |
03:04 | <Chutt> | cool. |
03:04 | <Chutt> | i'll just download it overnight |
03:05 | <sfr> | this is a known good recording which is distorted when played back with mythtv |
03:07 | <Chutt> | ok |
03:07 | <sfr> | btw, my pc's ip will change in about 4 hours |
03:07 | <Chutt> | current eta is 34 minutes |
03:08 | <billytwowilly> | anyone remember the link to that web based mysql driven dvd database program of the top of their head? |
03:08 | <sfr> | ok, i'm off to work |
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03:08 | <Chutt> | sfr, thanks |
03:10 | <billytwowilly> | mydvds. Thanks freshmeat. |
03:13 | <thor_> | Chutt, on the thread pool stuff ... in the context of the mfd, I'm currently (non-CVS) creating a new thread whenever a connect discovers that the pool is exhausted .... and then have a long term check about the last time the pool was fully utilized to see if we should destroy one .... anything clearly stupid about that? |
03:14 | <Chutt> | nope |
03:14 | <thor_> | k |
03:14 | <Chutt> | put in an upper limit if you don't have one |
03:14 | <thor_> | ah |
03:14 | <thor_> | yup |
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03:19 | <thor_> | heh |
03:19 | <thor_> | chutt.com is available |
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03:21 | | * billytwowilly goes to regist chutt.com to sell it to chutt for a bazillion dollars;) |
03:21 | <billytwowilly> | err. register |
03:21 | <dopez> | hehe |
03:23 | <thor_> | billytwowilly, got the e-mail, thanks |
03:24 | <billytwowilly> | Cool. |
03:24 | <billytwowilly> | If you decide to send some work their way let me know so I can work the kickback angle here at home;) |
03:24 | <thor_> | won't be able to deal with this until January, but could well be very helpful |
03:24 | | * billytwowilly wants a new myth box;) |
03:25 | <billytwowilly> | I hope it's helpful. |
03:25 | <thor_> | well .... |
03:26 | <billytwowilly> | I'm only joking about the kickback thing;) |
03:26 | <thor_> | accountants are constrained by the existence of government |
03:26 | <thor_> | :-) |
03:26 | <billytwowilly> | heh. if there was no government there would be no accountants. |
03:26 | <billytwowilly> | err. were. |
03:27 | <billytwowilly> | stupid tenses being different than spanish tenses.. stupid spanish final.. |
03:27 | <thor_> | Hola ! |
03:27 | | * billytwowilly goes and pokes out his eyes so he doesn't have to read any more spanish. |
03:28 | <billytwowilly> | arrgghhhh.. |
03:29 | | * thor_ ponders Oedipus ... but is too tired to get into it |
03:29 | <billytwowilly> | Heh, this guy has been advertising total annihilation on edm.forsale for about a month now. He started at 5 dollars and is now at 2.75. I think I'll pick it up when he reaches one dollar in three months;) |
03:30 | <billytwowilly> | Oedipus... greek who slept with his mother? |
03:30 | <thor_> | and gouged out his eyes |
03:30 | <billytwowilly> | ahh. That was in a play correct? I think I read that a long long time ago. |
03:31 | <billytwowilly> | Unfortunately I have no recollection of the event in question... |
03:31 | <thor_> | ... in a galaxy far far away ... |
03:31 | <dopez> | ... someone got really drunk ... |
03:32 | <billytwowilly> | heh. That is supposed to remind me of star wars, however it only reminds me of hardware wars;) |
03:32 | <thor_> | ... epic ... |
03:33 | <thor_> | boy meets girl |
03:33 | <thor_> | boy romances girl |
03:33 | <thor_> | then tragedy |
03:33 | | * billytwowilly rumages around for his copy of hardware wars |
03:34 | <thor_> | ... comedy ... |
03:34 | <thor_> | boy romances girl |
03:34 | <thor_> | boy meets girk |
03:34 | <thor_> | then epic |
03:35 | <billytwowilly> | mmm arty deco.. |
03:36 | <billytwowilly> | mmm fluke starbucker. |
03:36 | <thor_> | .... freud .... |
03:36 | <thor_> | boy meets girl |
03:37 | <thor_> | guilt |
03:37 | <thor_> | more guilt |
03:37 | <thor_> | even more repressed Happsburg guilt |
03:37 | <thor_> | WWII |
03:37 | <thor_> | then comedy |
03:38 | <billytwowilly> | thor_: You should direct a movie;) You seem to have it all figured out;) |
03:38 | <billytwowilly> | I want to see your freudian epic comedy;) |
03:38 | <thor_> | short loop |
03:38 | <thor_> | (but lots of boy meets girl :-) ) |
03:40 | <dopez> | heh |
03:40 | <billytwowilly> | holy carp.. I have to go to sleep. |
03:40 | <billytwowilly> | cheers. |
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03:49 | | * o_cee is away: blergh |
03:49 | | * o_cee is away: blergh |
03:49 | | * o_cee is back (gone 00:00:05) |
03:49 | <o_cee> | wtf |
03:51 | <thor_> | hey |
03:51 | <o_cee> | hi |
03:51 | | * o_cee is mad tired |
03:51 | <thor_> | go to sleep |
03:51 | <o_cee> | can't |
03:51 | <o_cee> | just woke up |
03:52 | <thor_> | it's like 11 am in Sweden |
03:52 | <o_cee> | had to stay up all nite writing this essay. wich was supposed to be a group work. but one of the guys i haven't heard from at all, and the other one went mental |
03:52 | <o_cee> | 10am |
03:52 | <dopez> | 10am here, probally also where o_cee is :) |
03:53 | <dopez> | hehe |
03:53 | | * thor_ suggests shower with Anna |
03:53 | <thor_> | (heh) |
03:54 | <o_cee> | she's at work :/ |
03:54 | <thor_> | ah |
03:54 | <dopez> | huh.. |
03:54 | <o_cee> | i made contact with the mental guy now, lets ssee what he says.. yesterday we where supposed to fix this up, and he just didn't feel like showing up |
03:55 | <o_cee> | argh, stupid guy |
03:56 | <o_cee> | we had math class and where supposed to meet afterwards. 5 minutes before the end, he gets up and leaves. |
03:56 | <o_cee> | who gives :) |
03:57 | <thor_> | talk to your professor |
03:57 | <o_cee> | i did, i turned in my part of it |
03:57 | <thor_> | and explained things .... |
03:58 | <o_cee> | yepp. he knows the guy is depressed (or whatever) |
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03:58 | <thor_> | (I've was a professor in London for 2 years) |
03:58 | <o_cee> | oh :) in? |
03:58 | <thor_> | ... students are mostly nut-cases !!! |
03:58 | <o_cee> | hehehehhe |
03:58 | <thor_> | Economics |
03:58 | <thor_> | LSE |
03:59 | <o_cee> | nice |
03:59 | <thor_> | go to the prof's office hours |
04:00 | <thor_> | explain the situation |
04:00 | <thor_> | prof's have total fiat over marks |
04:00 | <o_cee> | talked to him yesterday, so he knows about it.. |
04:01 | <thor_> | nah |
04:01 | <thor_> | go to his office hours |
04:01 | <thor_> | (he's busy thinking about proofs) |
04:02 | <thor_> | (unless he sees you 2-3 times he will have _no_ memory of what you're talking about) |
04:03 | <o_cee> | he is kinda strange as well, yeah ;) |
04:03 | <thor_> | heh |
04:03 | <thor_> | look |
04:04 | <thor_> | small word of advice |
04:04 | <thor_> | I've been a prof |
04:04 | <Octane> | sup |
04:04 | <Octane> | ive been compiling mozilla firebird for four hours now |
04:04 | <thor_> | go and talk to him |
04:05 | <thor_> | Octane, shalom |
04:05 | <Octane> | ha'alan |
04:05 | <o_cee> | will do |
04:05 | | * Octane installed freebsd today |
04:05 | <thor_> | (something vaguely Semetic about "peace be with you") |
04:06 | <Octane> | what is |
04:06 | <Octane> | shalom? |
04:06 | <thor_> | just trying to do greetings |
04:06 | <o_cee> | https://dragon.lan/mythweb/channel_detail.php?chanid=4 <-- are you able to change day on that page in mythweb? change day? |
04:06 | <thor_> | Salem? |
04:06 | <Octane> | salem yah |
04:06 | <thor_> | excellent |
04:07 | <thor_> | Hebrew? |
04:07 | <Octane> | salem is arabic |
04:07 | <Octane> | shalom is hebrew |
04:07 | <thor_> | yup |
04:07 | <Octane> | same meaning |
04:07 | <thor_> | ah |
04:07 | <Octane> | you taught in london? |
04:07 | <thor_> | yup |
04:07 | <thor_> | 2 years |
04:08 | <Octane> | whiat did you teach |
04:08 | <thor_> | great city |
04:08 | <thor_> | economics |
04:08 | <thor_> | (but a bad city to be a student in) |
04:08 | <thor_> | too expensive |
04:08 | <o_cee> | thor_: i did find some useful software for the iPod under windows.. alot better then musicmatch or itunes |
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04:09 | <thor_> | o_cee, iTunes does DAAP, which is going to be useful for myth .... |
04:09 | <o_cee> | later.. :) |
04:09 | <thor_> | night |
04:10 | <o_cee> | i'll try iTunes 5 or something |
04:10 | <thor_> | yup |
04:10 | <o_cee> | current state of iTunes is sad |
04:10 | <thor_> | well ... |
04:10 | <thor_> | nm |
04:11 | <thor_> | Octane, how are things over the last few days? Any op-ed on the "unauthorized" plan? |
04:12 | <thor_> | (Geneva) |
04:12 | <Octane> | thor_: lol :) |
04:12 | <Octane> | thor_: im going to email you my paper |
04:12 | <Octane> | itll be done by wednesday |
04:13 | <Octane> | youll enjoy i think |
04:13 | <thor_> | k |
04:13 | <Octane> | "why bargaining has not worked in resolving the Arab-Israeli conflict" |
04:13 | <Octane> | 20 pages |
04:14 | <thor_> | undergrad paper? |
04:14 | <thor_> | for which course? |
04:14 | <thor_> | (email is thor@lamedomainname.com) |
04:15 | <Octane> | war&strat |
04:15 | <Octane> | yah undergrad, but 300 level |
04:15 | <thor_> | ok |
04:15 | <thor_> | hmmm ... |
04:16 | <thor_> | what is "war&strat" |
04:16 | <thor_> | ? |
04:17 | <o_cee> | war & strategy? :) |
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06:17 | <Zeran> | hey |
06:17 | <Zeran> | anyone around? |
06:17 | <Zeran> | or more specifically, anyone with a pvr around? :) |
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09:54 | * | mikegrb slaps kvandivo too, so as not to be left out |
09:55 | kvandivo> | gotta read all my email before i start responding. It makes me look (slightly) less dumb. |
09:55 | warlord> | Heh. |
09:55 | mikegrb> | :) |
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13:03 | knight-> | hey |
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15:12 | mdz> | if "maxpower" is here, please stop sending HTML emails |
15:13 | mikegrb> | heh |
15:13 | mikegrb> | html emails get deleted straigt away :) |
15:13 | Chutt> | i get several bounce messages from people that don't allow html email to be delivered |
15:13 | Chutt> | every single time someone sends one |
15:13 | mikegrb> | that sucks |
15:13 | Chutt> | mdz, hey, d'ya think you'll be able to do 0.13 debs? |
15:13 | mikegrb> | I just silently discard them |
15:14 | Chutt> | i just unsubscribe people that set up their mailers to bounce em =) |
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15:15 | mikegrb> | pwahaha |
15:15 | mikegrb> | BOFH Chutt |
15:15 | mikegrb> | :) |
15:15 | mikegrb> | s/O/List Admin/ |
15:26 | kvandivo> | BLAFH doesn't have too bad of a ring to it, even |
15:28 | mdz> | Chutt: computers are still in boxes, but I think I should have mythtv up this weekend |
15:28 | Chutt> | cool |
15:28 | Chutt> | i fixed the plugin db crap that would've made debs of 0.12 difficult |
15:28 | Chutt> | so i was just hoping =) |
15:28 | mdz> | good, I won't both with 0.12 then |
15:29 | mdz> | s/both/&er/ |
15:29 | Chutt> | 0.13's sometime this week |
15:32 | kvandivo> | so is the plan in the back of your mind to continue incrementing by 0.01, or do you envision an actual 1.0 release at some point? (doesn't matter to me, personally.. just curious) |
15:32 | Chutt> | i dunno |
15:32 | Chutt> | this'll be the 13th real release |
15:32 | kvandivo> | nod |
15:32 | Chutt> | it's not 0.01, but =) |
15:32 | kvandivo> | :) |
15:32 | Chutt> | i probably should version inflate things |
15:32 | Chutt> | so people think it's stable or something |
15:33 | kvandivo> | well, perception of reality is often more important than reality |
15:33 | mdz> | inflating the version number will just mean more dumb questions on the mailing lists |
15:33 | kvandivo> | it's really just a political thing... |
15:33 | mdz> | and no benefit to development |
15:34 | Chutt> | mdz, you don't read -users :p |
15:34 | mdz> | I estimate based on the amount of -users type stuff that gets sent to -dev |
15:34 | Chutt> | but, i was thinking of doing a 1.0 before thor's mfd stuff gets into the mainline |
15:34 | mdz> | -users is probably 100x that |
15:34 | Chutt> | since that's a pretty large architectural change |
15:34 | kvandivo> | nod |
15:34 | Chutt> | and stuff is pretty damn stable |
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15:36 | kvandivo> | i _am_ working on the rank/recommendation stuff, fwiw.. got rank sliders showing up in the delete popups last night and have been going through the fun of learning Qt event handling model (which isn't too bad.. just a bit different) |
15:36 | Chutt> | heh |
15:36 | Chutt> | cool. |
15:36 | kvandivo> | hopefully i've got a little rank widget that i can just throw into different pages now |
15:37 | kvandivo> | and then write the code behind the scenes, and be done with that part of it |
15:38 | o_cee> | mythtv@dragon mythtv $ uptime |
15:38 | o_cee> | 21:37:47 up 35 days, 3 min... damn i'll need to shut down the dragon when i get the 350 :/ |
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15:40 | o_cee> | are the drivers good enough to put the tv-out in use in the living room right away? |
15:40 | Chutt> | probably not |
15:41 | mdz> | somebody asked me about rivatv for the vivo cards; does that actually work? |
15:41 | Chutt> | not well |
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15:42 | o_cee> | allright.. hope the new stuff tmk is working on will be great ;) |
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16:03 | Rule> | q: does mythfrontend simply stream an mpeg2 to /dev/video16 or is some magic involved ? If it does, can I simply re-use it to stream to a different device file that can handle mpeg2 ? |
16:03 | Chutt> | there's other things involved. |
16:03 | Rule> | ok |
16:03 | Rule> | pity |
16:04 | kvandivo> | you get what you pay for |
16:04 | Chutt> | you could of course write some code. |
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16:04 | Rule> | I have this real inexpensive frontend idea based on a margi_cs :) |
16:04 | Rule> | it won't do overlay or anything, so might try.. sinply direct the file to the device and see what happens |
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16:45 | _rkulagow> | chutt: got a second? i'm seeing something weird with the scheduler. (i think) |
16:45 | Chutt> | sure |
16:48 | _rkulagow> | ok, i've got "24" set to record for tonight. when i go to program finder i see that it's yellow indicating that it will record. but it's not showing up on port 6544 _or_ on mythweb as recording tonight. there are two encoders available, it's not showing up as a conflict on the conflict screen. i don't see why it's not going to record. |
16:50 | _rkulagow> | and it's not showing up in --printsched either. |
16:51 | Chutt> | weird |
16:51 | kvandivo> | do you have the conflict screen set to 'show all' or 'show important' ? |
16:52 | _rkulagow> | it's set for show all. and i just went to the program guide grid, and it's set for "record any |
16:53 | _rkulagow> | (oops), record duplicates: always. |
16:53 | _rkulagow> | but, on the guide grid the status is "not recording" |
16:53 | _rkulagow> | on mythweb it's got a dashed line around the box. |
16:55 | Chutt> | huh |
16:55 | Chutt> | i dunno |
16:55 | _rkulagow> | actually, it looks dotted rather than dashed, but there aren't any other programs set to record in that entire timeblock (8PM). |
16:56 | kvandivo> | anything before or after it that is recording (wondering about some well-hidden pre/post roll thing) |
16:56 | kvandivo> | ? |
16:57 | _rkulagow> | here's what printsched shows: |
16:57 | _rkulagow> | Gilmore Girls 9 1009 Dec 09 07:00pm 1 5 6 0 0 2 X 0 0 |
16:57 | _rkulagow> | That '70s Show 12 1012 Dec 09 07:00pm 1 5 6 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
16:57 | _rkulagow> | South Park 42 1042 Dec 09 08:30pm 1 5 6 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
16:57 | Chutt> | i dunno |
16:57 | Chutt> | only thing i can think of would be to do the sql query manually |
16:57 | Chutt> | and see what's up |
16:57 | _rkulagow> | yeah, weird. |
17:00 | _rkulagow> | just checked; pre and post roll are set to 0. |
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17:02 | kvandivo> | bizarre |
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17:18 | steelep> | I want to make playlists work with a sql query instead of a list of tracks, it should be fairly simple really. |
17:18 | thor_> | ah |
17:18 | thor_> | autogenerate something like "all 1960's songs" ? |
17:18 | steelep> | just return a list from the query and everything else would be the same |
17:18 | steelep> | right |
17:19 | steelep> | more like "where genre not like 'christmas'" :) |
17:19 | thor_> | I would do it against metadata in memory rather than touching the database directly |
17:19 | thor_> | the problem is not the logic |
17:19 | steelep> | I don't know squat about doing the UI part though |
17:19 | thor_> | it's doing an interface :-) |
17:20 | _rkulagow> | thor: that's what happens when you have a multiple myth household. wait til mother-in-law comes by and wants to record "JAG" |
17:20 | _rkulagow> | don't worry, i have the geek standbye's like futurama, adult swim, simpsons, etc. |
17:20 | steelep> | just dumping the where clause in the playlist is simple and runing a query if it finds non digits and comma |
17:21 | thor_> | _rkulagow, if it gets too many conflicting choices it will probably start to pout |
17:21 | steelep> | for now, i'd settle for it not having a UI but parse the where clause if it finds one |
17:21 | _rkulagow> | now i need to convince the wife that i need an xbox (dell home has them for $167 now, no tax, free shipping) to make it a cheap frontend. |
17:21 | thor_> | heh |
17:22 | Chutt> | steelep, not a good idea to embed database queries in the database |
17:22 | steelep> | that is a rediculously cheap frontend |
17:22 | thor_> | steelep, touching the database is a pain |
17:22 | steelep> | but i'm a database guy as you all know :) |
17:22 | thor_> | everythings already sitting there in memory |
17:22 | thor_> | ah |
17:23 | steelep> | the whole recordset is NOT in memory |
17:23 | thor_> | all the metadata |
17:23 | steelep> | you mean for the playlist? |
17:23 | thor_> | _all_ the metadata |
17:23 | steelep> | your kidding |
17:23 | thor_> | nope |
17:23 | steelep> | no wonder I have problems |
17:24 | steelep> | I have 40K files |
17:24 | steelep> | I better go get more ram |
17:24 | thor_> | heh |
17:24 | steelep> | :) |
17:24 | steelep> | it seems kinda odd to do that |
17:25 | steelep> | but every player does it and I crash ALL of them |
17:25 | thor_> | imagine 40K of sql queries every time you touched Play Music |
17:25 | steelep> | I wrote my own finally |
17:25 | steelep> | but ffs it takes 3 minutes to start playing already |
17:26 | thor_> | you have a standalone player that works well ? |
17:26 | steelep> | a query would make it faster I think |
17:26 | steelep> | I wrote a sql based windows library that works fairly well |
17:26 | thor_> | slap a DAAP interface on it |
17:26 | thor_> | http://www.deleet.de/projekte/daap/ |
17:27 | steelep> | at least the library doesn't crash everytime the player opens |
17:27 | thor_> | and it will play through myth soon |
17:27 | thor_> | (and through iTunes) |
17:27 | steelep> | mine is very similar http://musik.berlios.de |
17:27 | steelep> | but has more iTunes features |
17:28 | steelep> | I crash iTunes |
17:28 | steelep> | that xml database is too big |
17:28 | thor_> | cool |
17:28 | steelep> | same with winamp |
17:30 | steelep> | there is no reason to load all the metadata, loading it per play is all you really need unless you are doing searches |
17:30 | steelep> | when the track starts playing you can parse the tags on the fly |
17:30 | thor_> | see ShowWholeTree() |
17:30 | steelep> | that is completely useless to me |
17:31 | thor_> | yup |
17:31 | steelep> | with 20K songs it's impossible to use effectively |
17:31 | thor_> | but not to lots of other people :-) |
17:31 | steelep> | lots of people have 10k songs |
17:31 | thor_> | I'm serious about the DAAP thing though |
17:31 | steelep> | I don't see how they can use it either |
17:32 | thor_> | but a DAAP interface on your player and have it serve out the playlists |
17:32 | thor_> | edit to your hearts content on your desktop |
17:32 | steelep> | if DAAP was sql based fine, but XML based is going to die at 10K songs |
17:32 | thor_> | play from your mythbox |
17:32 | steelep> | I do xml and sql for a living |
17:32 | thor_> | you have playlists with 10K songs in them ? |
17:33 | steelep> | no, but that's sort of the point |
17:33 | Chutt> | assuming 1k of metadata per track (which is _way_ more than what it'd actually be), 10k songs is only 10MB. |
17:33 | Chutt> | that's absolutely nothing :p |
17:33 | steelep> | hmmm |
17:34 | steelep> | then why the hell does my library crash every single library app that tries to use it except myth and Musik (and mine) |
17:35 | steelep> | every one uses like 50M+ of ram at least |
17:35 | steelep> | which is fine, but I saw iTunes using 160M once |
17:35 | Chutt> | i've not written those other library apps, so i couldn't tell you |
17:35 | steelep> | then is died |
17:35 | steelep> | it |
17:35 | thor_> | #define MAX_SONGS 32000 |
17:35 | thor_> | :-) |
17:36 | steelep> | that's per playlist though right? |
17:36 | thor_> | I'm kidding |
17:36 | steelep> | anyway I don't have 32K loaded, more like 20K |
17:37 | steelep> | but it's strange, I can point it at another backup that has 9K and it all works fine, it and exact copy |
17:37 | steelep> | except it's a partial of critical files |
17:38 | steelep> | unless there is some totally borked file in that main library I can't imagine what is causing the trouble except the number of files |
17:40 | thor_> | add them one at a time until it pukes ? |
17:41 | thor_> | shouldn't take more than a week :-) |
17:41 | steelep> | it's not consistent on reloads of the library |
17:42 | kvandivo> | ahhh, a heisenbug. |
17:43 | thor_> | lol |
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17:44 | thor_> | ... heisenberg gets stopped for speeding, cop asks him if he knows how fast he was going, heisenberg says, "No, but I know precisely where I am" ... |
17:45 | kvandivo> | did you hear about the restaurant NASA is starting on the Moon? Great food, no atmosphere! |
17:45 | thor_> | /. |
17:45 | kvandivo> | where else? |
17:45 | thor_> | yup |
17:46 | kvandivo> | What's Avocado's Number? A Guacamole. |
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17:52 | Chutt> | sfr, you here? |
17:52 | billytwowilly> | Chutt: Do you do a lot of gaming? |
17:53 | Chutt> | define gaming |
17:53 | billytwowilly> | counter strike stuff, etc. I just noticed you were on speakeasy so I was curious. |
17:53 | sfr> | Chutt: yeah |
17:54 | Chutt> | sfr, think i fixed your mjpeg stuff |
17:54 | sfr> | cool. was it a bug in myth? |
17:55 | Chutt> | well, kinda |
17:57 | Chutt> | more of an unimplemented feature :p |
17:57 | sfr> | maybe it could be improved into a psychodelic tv mode ;) |
17:57 | Chutt> | anyway, it should now work in cvs |
17:58 | sfr> | since when? i just did a resync ~30 min ago |
17:58 | Chutt> | since 30 seconds ago :p |
17:58 | steelep> | chutt, I think you misunderstood what I meant about the query in the database. |
17:59 | steelep> | and what would be wrong with storing where clauses in the db anyway? |
17:59 | Chutt> | can't be checked for correctness |
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18:00 | steelep> | that way you change nothing ni the db except the data, it's either a where clause, or a list of files |
18:01 | steelep> | a where clause is sort of harmless if it's wrong |
18:01 | steelep> | you could put out of range data in the playlist and it would be just as bad |
18:02 | steelep> | I meant store where blah blah, and check for existence of the string "where" when you load the playlist, not put the whole select in there |
18:03 | steelep> | I think this could be accomplished with about 3 maybe 4 lines of code |
18:04 | steelep> | making a UI to build the where clauses, that's a different story, but they would be responsible for checking the validity |
18:11 | thor_> | you already have a UI to make any playlist you like: http://musik.berlios.de |
18:11 | steelep> | that dosn't work in mythmusic though |
18:12 | thor_> | no, but it could |
18:12 | steelep> | yes, but it's wxwindows |
18:12 | steelep> | not qt |
18:13 | steelep> | ok, i'll see what I can do if no one has been thinking of doing this already then |
18:13 | thor_> | in the short term, you could have an optional module that interacts with the myth metadata table |
18:14 | thor_> | in the longer term, do DAAP |
18:14 | steelep> | i'll read the DAAP stuff this week |
18:14 | thor_> | writing a UI to do complicated playlist creation on a tv screen with a remote would be a PITA |
18:14 | sfr> | Chutt: i'll test it and report back |
18:14 | Chutt> | sfr, it'll work :p |
18:14 | steelep> | I understand how the playlists work in mythmusic, so I will probably start there though |
18:15 | sfr> | Chutt: i didn't expect less :). how did it got broken? |
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18:17 | Chutt> | they enabled direct rendering for the mjpeg codec, and i can't handle that image type in mythtv |
18:23 | billytwowilly> | Godbless this hour has twenty two minutes. |
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18:37 | sfr> | have to ask again: current mythtv cvs works with an old ivtv driver when only used for recording, right? |
18:38 | thor_> | I am at CVS (of about 48 hours ago) and my ivtv is several months old .... works like a charm |
18:39 | sfr> | ok |
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19:27 | Kuwanger> | Okay, for some reason mythtv keeps rerecording the same shows... |
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19:29 | Crib> | what's up all |
19:29 | Crib> | <-needin help here |
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19:45 | phar0e> | Hello, is 600KB/s not enough for default streaming of default recording profile settings? |
19:45 | phar0e> | RTJpeg @ quality 170 |
19:50 | Crib> | how do i manually run mythfilldatabase |
19:50 | Crib> | i'm getting cannot execute binary file /usr/bin/mythfilldatabase |
19:52 | sfr> | sounds as if it's hosed. what does file /usr/bin/mythfilldatabase say? |
19:53 | Crib> | a lot of sh*t i can't read |
19:54 | sfr> | like ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped? |
19:55 | Crib> | sfr so it's supposed to be executable? |
19:55 | sfr> | that's the idea |
19:55 | Crib> | **&@!@ |
19:56 | sfr> | Crib: how did you install mythtv? |
19:56 | Crib> | knoppmyth |
19:56 | sfr> | what's wrong with that channel? never used it |
19:57 | Crib> | there wasn't anyone there |
19:57 | Crib> | sorry if i'm botherin ya |
19:59 | sfr> | heh, not any longer, g'night |
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20:24 | hadees> | anyone know anything about programing with winelib? |
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20:35 | Kuwanger> | Any ideas why a program set to not rerecord duplicate episodes is rerecording already recorded episodes? |
20:35 | Crib> | no idea |
20:36 | Crib> | does anyone use the nvaudio drivers? |
20:36 | Kuwanger> | Not me. |
20:36 | Crib> | ok next q. |
20:37 | Crib> | when i launch xawtv the toolbar says, for example channel S03 (PAL/europe-west) |
20:37 | Crib> | Now, I'm in Indiana. What the heck? |
20:37 | Crib> | Where is it reading my location settings from |
20:37 | Kuwanger> | xawtv isn't configured right? |
20:37 | Crib> | yeah but i manned it and i can't find ... oh i have an idea |
20:37 | Kuwanger> | When I used xawtv, it tended to not remember my configuration settings.. :) |
20:37 | Crib> | i'm going to try which xawtv |
20:37 | Crib> | great |
20:38 | Crib> | i am so far from having mythtv runnning properly... |
20:38 | Kuwanger> | I like motv better. |
20:39 | Kuwanger> | What distro you using? |
20:39 | Crib> | knoppmyth |
20:40 | Crib> | damnit it still thinks it's in pal/europe |
20:40 | Kuwanger> | Interesting.. |
20:40 | Crib> | i looked in the .xawtv and it says nothing about pal, only ntsc |
20:40 | Kuwanger> | strace? |
20:40 | Crib> | what does that do? |
20:45 | Crib> | USA is ntsc, right? |
20:46 | Kuwanger> | USA is ntsc, yea. |
20:46 | Kuwanger> | strace traces system calls. |
20:46 | Crib> | damnit, this shit was working last night perfectly. |
20:46 | Kuwanger> | It can be useful to figuring out if a config file, for example, is being open. |
20:46 | Crib> | btw, i don't have strace. |
20:47 | Kuwanger> | :( |
20:47 | Crib> | this knoppmyth thing is based on debian, do you happen to know how to install it? (im a gentoo guy) |
20:47 | * | Kuwanger shakes his fist at knoppix. :) |
20:47 | Kuwanger> | dselect? |
20:47 | Crib> | interesting... |
20:47 | Crib> | there is a menu |
20:48 | Crib> | you're not a deb. guy are you? |
20:48 | Kuwanger> | No. Gentoo. |
20:49 | Kuwanger> | I used debian on a machine for a while, though. |
20:49 | Crib> | yeah...i'm coming to the conclusion that i should have used gentoo instead of the "easy" knoppmyth |
20:49 | Kuwanger> | It was a 486 with a 400MB HD, though. :) |
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20:50 | Crib> | i'm playin with dselect |
20:51 | Crib> | now i selected dselect Install--it's saying it wants to REMOVE a bunch of packages. wtf |
20:54 | Kuwanger> | Weird. |
20:56 | Crib> | wow this sucks compared to gentoo |
20:56 | Crib> | i'm in the ncurses based package selector now |
20:59 | Crib> | dselect blows |
20:59 | knight-> | it's not too bad |
21:00 | Crib> | i like emerge much better |
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21:02 | knight-> | they both have their ups and downs |
21:02 | Crib> | yeah i don't really know dselect yet, i shouldn't be talking shit |
21:02 | knight-> | indeed :) |
21:15 | _rkulagow> | captain_murdoch: did you write the mythcommflag stuff? (trouble remembering nick's and truenames) |
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22:35 | toothpick> | Is there a bot in here that will tell the source to add for apt? |
22:36 | mikegrb> | yes |
22:36 | mikegrb> | mozilla |
22:36 | toothpick> | I miss my google toolbar |
22:37 | mikegrb> | mythtv.org |
22:37 | mikegrb> | click links |
22:37 | mikegrb> | it's there |
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22:48 | toothpick> | i found it...and thought I installed everything it requested |
22:48 | toothpick> | but failed. |
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22:50 | toothpick> | ok starting to install it now |
22:51 | toothpick> | hopefully it will be idiot proof when the configure comes up. |
22:53 | toothpick> | how do I log on as mythtv user? |
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22:54 | toothpick> | like when I just went to another terminal and tried to log on as mythtv I don't know its password |
22:55 | cmorgan> | is there a mythtv user? |
22:55 | toothpick> | yes with debian it immediately creates it. |
22:55 | toothpick> | so in /home I see mythtv user |
22:56 | cmorgan> | password is mythtv? or empty? |
22:56 | jeffpc> | log in as root and change it :-) |
22:57 | toothpick> | jeffpc I thought of that... |
22:57 | toothpick> | can root see what it is? |
22:57 | jeffpc> | no |
22:57 | jeffpc> | but root can change it |
22:57 | toothpick> | and that pass won't interfere with mysqld? |
22:57 | toothpick> | ok |
22:58 | jeffpc> | no, that pass is independent from the mysql pass |
22:58 | toothpick> | ok |
22:58 | toothpick> | brb |
22:58 | pmowry> | who |
22:58 | toothpick> | how can you run mythtv as a differnet person then? |
22:58 | toothpick> | oh well answer that later i guess |
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23:01 | pmowry> | top |
23:01 | pmowry> | sorry, keep typing in the wrong window |
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23:10 | Toothpick> | Well...almost there...but the xmltv won't work cause no info is being reported for my zip =( |
23:16 | Toothpick> | hmm...the site on the web seems fine...the is strange |
23:18 | Bonkers> | you have the absolute newest xmltv? |
23:18 | Toothpick> | Bonkers no I don't |
23:18 | Toothpick> | i'll update it |
23:19 | Bonkers> | you need at least 0.5.23 I think |
23:20 | Toothpick> | thanks I have .5.19 |
23:20 | Toothpick> | I appreciate the help |
23:20 | Toothpick> | this is going well...finally got a new moboard and have been able to get my cpu working again. |
23:21 | Bonkers> | nice, well the xmltv update should fix you, I think .5.19 broke about 3 weeks ago |
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23:38 | hadees> | when i name two files in mythvideo CD1 and CD2 why do i still see both of them? am i supposed to? it is kind of annoying to have the movie show up twice and have to enter it into IMDB twice, i thought mythvideo knew to play them one after another |
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23:52 | Toothpick> | Oh well..I think I have it working..but don't have the proper hardware...I have a tvtuner card...ati tv wonder ve...thought that is all I would need to watch tv... |
23:54 | Toothpick> | but the screen goes blank when I go to watchtv after running mythfrontend |
23:56 | Chutt> | there's an error message on the console that you ran mythfrontend or mythbackend on. |
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23:59 | Toothpick> | connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 |
23:59 | Toothpick> | that is all it says Chutt |
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23:59 | Toothpick> | it comes up at first with tv on left or setup on right |
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