| --- | Log | opened Wed Dec 10 00:00:05 2003 |
| 00:00 | Toothpick> | when I go through to the watch tv it just a blank black screen. |
| 00:00 | * | josephk is away: I'm actually away...I don't believe me either |
| 00:01 | Chutt> | the backend? |
| 00:02 | Toothpick> | how do I know what /dev/video to use? |
| 00:02 | Chutt> | it's assumed that you're aware of the setup of your computer. |
| 00:02 | Toothpick> | well...tvtime works ;) |
| 00:03 | Chutt> | so use that and go away |
| 00:04 | Chutt> | unless you're going to look at the output of the backend like i asked? |
| 00:05 | Toothpick> | Chutt...I think I got it. |
| 00:06 | Toothpick> | The tuner is separate from the capture card. |
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| 00:06 | Toothpick> | Probed: /dev/video - Television |
| 00:06 | Toothpick> | Probed: /dev/video - Composite1 |
| 00:06 | Toothpick> | Error getting inputs for the capturecard. Perhaps you have |
| 00:06 | Toothpick> | forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs? |
| 00:06 | Toothpick> | TV is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput. |
| 00:06 | Toothpick> | QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket |
| 00:06 | Toothpick> | Failed to bind port: 6543 |
| 00:06 | Toothpick> | sh-2.05b$ |
| 00:06 | Toothpick> | sorry for the flood. |
| 00:06 | Chutt> | wow, look at that |
| 00:06 | Toothpick> | I'll print some manuals tomorrow. |
| 00:06 | Chutt> | an error message |
| 00:06 | Chutt> | amazing |
| 00:06 | Toothpick> | Yup |
| 00:06 | Toothpick> | ;) |
| 00:08 | Toothpick> | Thanks for the help chutt...I am in the right direction now |
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| 00:08 | kvandivo> | cya |
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| 00:22 | Netslayer> | are we hrs or days away from .13? |
| 00:24 | Chutt> | whenever i decide to do it. |
| 00:24 | Chutt> | asking about it isn't going to make it sooner. |
| 00:25 | Netslayer> | heh just wondering |
| 00:29 | Netslayer> | when i have time, probably in the next few weeks i'm going to try to get a theme together. Do you suggest just copying the ui.xml and tweaking it all or starting from scratch? |
| 00:29 | Chutt> | that'd probably be easiest |
| 00:30 | Netslayer> | ya it looks really long..plus i'm not multilingual heh |
| 00:37 | _rkulagow> | chutt: i'm seeing another instance of the "recordings not showing up" thing i had mentioned earlier. this is after a complete-from-scratch database drop. |
| 00:37 | Netslayer> | i'm going to try to build 2 lcd panels also (along with my new myth network), should be interesting. Getting a great deal at: http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=365&item=LCD-74&type=store |
| 00:38 | knight-> | i dont see how lcd panels are helpful |
| 00:39 | knight-> | how often are you close enough to the server to even SEE the lcd |
| 00:40 | Netslayer> | my server is in my bedroom heh |
| 00:40 | _rkulagow> | here's printsched from the relevant timeframe: |
| 00:40 | _rkulagow> | MythBusters 48 1048 Dec 14 03:00pm 1 1 1 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
| 00:40 | _rkulagow> | Survivor: Pearl Island 2 1002 Dec 14 07:00pm 1 1 1 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
| 00:40 | _rkulagow> | The Simpsons 12 1012 Dec 14 07:00pm 1 2 2 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
| 00:40 | _rkulagow> | Junkyard Mega-Wars 52 1052 Dec 14 07:00pm 1 1 1 0 0 0 O 0 0 |
| 00:40 | _rkulagow> | Malcolm in the Middle 12 1012 Dec 14 08:00pm 1 2 2 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
| 00:40 | _rkulagow> | Arrested Development 12 1012 Dec 14 08:30pm 1 2 2 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
| 00:40 | _rkulagow> | Survivor: Pearl Island 2 1002 Dec 14 09:00pm 1 1 1 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
| 00:40 | _rkulagow> | The Shield 58 1058 Dec 14 09:00pm 1 2 2 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
| 00:40 | _rkulagow> | South Park 42 1042 Dec 14 10:00pm 1 1 1 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
| 00:40 | _rkulagow> | Aqua Teen Hungerforce 47 1047 Dec 14 10:00pm 1 2 2 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
| 00:40 | _rkulagow> | Sealab 2021 47 1047 Dec 14 10:15pm 1 1 1 0 0 0 O 0 0 |
| 00:40 | _rkulagow> | Now, at 6PM I've got Battlestar Galactica programmed to record on Sci-Fi channel which should go from 6PM to 8:09PM. You can see that from 7PM onwards there are at least three programs that are supposed to start at 7PM (but only two tuners) |
| 00:41 | _rkulagow> | And Junkyard mega-wars is auto-supressed and will record a different showing. but Battlestar Galactica doesn't even show up in "Show Conflicts" to try to let me resolve the issue. |
| 00:41 | Netslayer> | wait i never thought about that.. should be fine i'll have the master backend put out the port and connect to it through lcdproc from the network..should work right? |
| 00:41 | Chutt> | rkulagow, think you can do the sql query manually? |
| 00:42 | _rkulagow> | i believe so, but if it gets funky with joins and stuff i'm out of my league. |
| 00:42 | Chutt> | it's a big query |
| 00:42 | Chutt> | so it's going to be a pain in the ass |
| 00:43 | Chutt> | libmythtv/scheduledrecording.cpp |
| 00:43 | _rkulagow> | is it somewhere in the code so i can cut and paste, or were you going to p |
| 00:43 | Chutt> | starting at line 268 |
| 00:43 | _rkulagow> | ok, nevermind. let me check. brb. |
| 00:43 | Chutt> | there's 4 places to substitue in numbers for %1, %2, %3, and %4 |
| 00:43 | Chutt> | as well |
| 00:44 | Chutt> | %1 = 4, %2 = 3, %3 = 2, %4 = 1. backwards =) |
| 00:44 | _rkulagow> | YOW! i'm looking at the section now... |
| 00:44 | Chutt> | yeah |
| 00:45 | Chutt> | like i said, it's a big query =) |
| 00:46 | _rkulagow> | TIME_TO_SEC and DAYOFWEEK are internal mysql things? |
| 00:47 | * | Ripp is away: Zzzz |
| 00:48 | Chutt> | yeah |
| 00:48 | Chutt> | you just need to replace the stuff like '((record.type = %1)' later on |
| 00:48 | Chutt> | that one would be ((record.type = 4) |
| 00:48 | _rkulagow> | OK, right, got that part. |
| 00:49 | Chutt> | other than that, just a bunch of cutting and pasting |
| 00:50 | mdz> | might be worth dumping the raw query results at a certain debug level |
| 00:50 | mdz> | doing that query by hand sucks |
| 00:51 | Chutt> | yeah |
| 00:51 | _rkulagow> | 50% done... |
| 00:56 | _rkulagow> | ok, 257 rows in the set. |
| 00:58 | _rkulagow> | and the program _is_ in that list. conveniently, it's right near the bottom of the results. |
| 00:58 | Chutt> | heh |
| 00:58 | Chutt> | hmm |
| 00:58 | Chutt> | well |
| 00:58 | _rkulagow> | (battlestar galactica starting at 6PM on sunday) |
| 00:58 | Chutt> | only other thing to do is step through the code |
| 00:59 | _rkulagow> | ok, let me know when you're done. |
| 00:59 | _rkulagow> | :) |
| 00:59 | Chutt> | by adding some PrintLists() |
| 00:59 | Chutt> | in the Scheduler::FillRecordLists() function |
| 01:00 | Chutt> | see where the program disappears |
| 01:00 | Chutt> | and repeat until it's obvious _why_ it disappears |
| 01:00 | mechou> | _rkulagow:damn, you record a lot of stuff. you got time to watch them all :)? |
| 01:01 | _rkulagow> | we're a multi-myth household with varies interests. "the nanny" just doesn't float my boat, although charles shaughnessey "mr. sheffield" was pretty good in "urinetown". |
| 01:04 | _rkulagow> | chutt: looks like starting around line 208 of scheduler.cpp is where the PrintLists should start? |
| 01:05 | Chutt> | rkulagow, you got it |
| 01:08 | _rkulagow> | ok, i'm recompiling now, but i've got to go to bed. i'll see what i can discover in the morning. |
| 01:08 | Chutt> | ok |
| 01:23 | mechou> | Is there any significance to the sourceid (i.e. 1000) in videosource db? Between moving and cable lineup changes I'm in the 6000's now. Can I just change this back to 1000 manually? |
| 01:23 | Chutt> | sure |
| 01:23 | Chutt> | it's just an internal id |
| 01:23 | Chutt> | as long as it's consistant everywhere, doesn't really matter what it is |
| 01:24 | mechou> | it gets autoincremented whenever you run setup with clear channel option? |
| 01:24 | Chutt> | yup |
| 01:25 | Netslayer> | odd i have qt emerged, but no qmake |
| 01:25 | mikegrb> | perhaps not in your path? |
| 01:28 | Netslayer> | yur right |
| 01:28 | mikegrb> | sometimes I am |
| 01:29 | mikegrb> | please tell my wife |
| 01:29 | Netslayer> | heh |
| 01:30 | mikegrb> | ;) |
| 01:30 | Netslayer> | how would i go about adding it to my path? export PATH=$PATH:/.... |
| 01:31 | mikegrb> | right |
| 01:31 | mikegrb> | or add it to the PATH= line in /etc/profile |
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| 01:37 | mdz> | _rkulagow: when something that's in that query gets removed from the list, usually the automatic conflict resolution is at fault |
| 01:38 | mdz> | or, it was the last time I looked over that code. I assume it has changed since then with overrides and all that |
| 01:38 | Chutt> | mdz, yeah, but it's been changed a bit now -- shouldn't be completely removed anymore |
| 01:38 | mdz> | Chutt: it won't remove things ever? that's good |
| 01:38 | Chutt> | well, from the list |
| 01:38 | Chutt> | they're supposed to be just marked as not recording |
| 01:38 | Chutt> | with a reason given |
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| 03:27 | sfr> | Chutt: yupp, mjpeg playback works again |
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| 05:29 | vallor> | hello |
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| 05:31 | vallor> | I run MythTV on Linux, and I'd like to use the hd-2000 -- but, it doesn't take an s-video connector. Any way-cool RF modulators out there that take s-video (or component video) and produce a signal that the hd-2000 can handle? |
| 05:33 | sfr> | in the setup does luma mean luminescence? |
| 05:33 | vallor> | oh shoot, just read the paragraph in the faq that says it's computationally infeasable |
| 05:35 | vallor> | sfr: not sure |
| 05:36 | sfr> | thx. i'm translating myth to german, and knowing the meaning of words generally helps :) |
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| 06:09 | vallor> | whelp, sleepy time for me -- take care |
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| 07:47 | jbeimler> | setting up a second mythtv box (just for demo) video & sound work fine in xawtv, but won't load up in mythtv, I get about 1/3 of a screen of snow, the rest of the screen is green. any suggestions? |
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| 09:56 | fathom> | i need some help getting mythtv compiled..it fails on compile with some stuff about dialogbox.h/cpp and mythcontext |
| 09:56 | fathom> | i don't see anything in the faq about that. |
| 09:57 | sfr> | fathom: cvs? i compiled it just a few hours ago without problem. |
| 09:57 | fathom> | no, i'm using... let me see |
| 09:57 | fathom> | 0.12 |
| 09:58 | fathom> | the compile goes fine for a while and then all of the sudden bombs |
| 09:59 | fathom> | i'm using a really non-standard distro so i'm sure that's causing me so problems, but i've managed to get this far... |
| 09:59 | fathom> | xmltv is installed, that was a pain |
| 09:59 | fathom> | qt3, expat, lame, mplayer all that stuff is installed |
| 09:59 | sfr> | fathom: definitely a local error. what distro? |
| 09:59 | fathom> | crux :) |
| 09:59 | sfr> | ? |
| 09:59 | fathom> | heh |
| 09:59 | fathom> | http://crux.nu |
| 10:00 | fathom> | it's similar to gentoo without a lot of the helper stuff gentoo has |
| 10:01 | sfr> | i'm no qt/c++ expert, so better post the exact error on the -users list. what version of qt do you use? |
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| 10:02 | fathom> | qt3 |
| 10:02 | sfr> | 3.what? |
| 10:02 | fathom> | 3.1.2 |
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| 10:04 | sfr> | that should be ok. so, post it on the mailing list or wait for other people to comment |
| 10:05 | fathom> | does qt need to be compiled with some specific options maybe? |
| 10:13 | fathom> | hmm looking through the mailing list, it's definatly something to do with qt |
| 10:14 | sfr> | is suse mentioned in those posts? |
| 10:14 | fathom> | this was a rh9 user that has the same compile error as i do |
| 10:14 | fathom> | let me look though |
| 10:15 | sfr> | several people had problems to compile mythtv on Suse. It's said that their qt packages are broken somehow. |
| 10:15 | fathom> | i don't think my QT is broken, but i'm not specifying $QTDIR or something correctly |
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| 10:49 | rkulagow> | captain murdoch: are you here? |
| 10:56 | o_cee> | hiya rkulagow, you did the status page inside mythfrontend right? |
| 10:57 | rkulagow> | the very first version, yes. others have made it super-cool and pretty. |
| 10:58 | o_cee> | that'd be me, but i mean the one inside mythfrontend |
| 10:58 | o_cee> | ;) |
| 10:59 | o_cee> | "System status" |
| 10:59 | ananke> | what would be an easy way to disable the tv option/menu from the main menu? [i'm interested in using mythtv only with the other modules at first] |
| 10:59 | o_cee> | look at theme.xml |
| 10:59 | ananke> | thanks |
| 10:59 | rkulagow> | oh, that one. yes, i did. good job, btw, on your backend one. |
| 11:00 | o_cee> | thx:) |
| 11:00 | rkulagow> | i thought you meant the backend one, because i added the system status stuff to the port 6544 one first. |
| 11:00 | rkulagow> | and then thought, "hey, that |
| 11:00 | o_cee> | i just glanced at that statuspage, but it seems as if the code is the same as the backend page, right? |
| 11:00 | rkulagow> | s an easy one for the frontend too." |
| 11:01 | rkulagow> | yes, 99% should be the same, other than some wording changes maybe. |
| 11:01 | o_cee> | have you tried it without any guide data? |
| 11:01 | o_cee> | i added checks to that on the backend |
| 11:01 | o_cee> | might want to fix that before .13 |
| 11:01 | o_cee> | as i guess it'll be the same problem |
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| 11:02 | * | o_cee is away: phone |
| 11:03 | rkulagow> | i haven't checked; there's still some stuff that i think might not be fully handled, like what happens if xmltv doesn't actually add any data to the database, but still runs, like when zap2it changes its website. i might think about doing a check: "before: how many days of data. after: how many days of data? did we actually add anything to the database? |
| 11:03 | * | o_cee is back (gone 00:00:34) |
| 11:03 | o_cee> | would be good as well |
| 11:04 | o_cee> | but if you have time, take a look at how it's done in the backend now |
| 11:04 | o_cee> | for the missing guide data thing |
| 11:04 | rkulagow> | yep, but at this point i don't have the cycles. (mr. mom). if you're feeling froggy have at it, otherwise it'll have to wait until i have a chance to look at it. |
| 11:04 | rkulagow> | or someone else does it. |
| 11:05 | o_cee> | okay, i'll see if i can find some time |
| 11:05 | o_cee> | not that important, guess most people actually have guidedata;) |
| 11:06 | rkulagow> | what does happen? does it barf totally, or just give wacky results? |
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| 11:06 | o_cee> | wacky |
| 11:07 | o_cee> | it passes null to the daysTo |
| 11:12 | ananke> | i know this question has been probably asked tons of times, but here it goes: what would you guys recommend as a fairly cheap yet workable tv tuner card? prefferably one availabe in states. |
| 11:12 | kvandivo> | you're right |
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| 11:38 | sfr> | i know i'm beating a dead horse but with latest cvs channel changing seems a bit faster (using a pvr350) |
| 11:39 | kvandivo> | well, let's discuss it. we haven't talked or heard about channel changing times in quite a while |
| 11:39 | jbeimler> | ananke: I'd get one of the ones with built in mpeg, takes the load off |
| 11:40 | jbeimler> | of course, my pinnacle card isn't working, so I'm not one to talk |
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| 11:48 | ananke> | jbeimler : thank you for the hint |
| 11:49 | jbeimler> | ananke: no problem, its the most expensive solution though |
| 11:49 | ananke> | jbeimler : out of curiosity: are those tv tuner cards usually agp or pci? it may sound silly, but i don't have any experience with those |
| 11:49 | kvandivo> | just follow the docs. they mention a few that don't work. just do a bit of research on the one you are thinking about and you should be ok. |
| 11:50 | jbeimler> | PCI. |
| 11:50 | jbeimler> | unless there is a magic all in one card out there.. |
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| 11:50 | ananke> | kvandivo : yeah, i figured that. what i was thinking is printing out the list of supported cards from the kernel documentation, and taking it to the store to see what's available. then checking for detailed support |
| 11:51 | E1ven> | Is there anyone commercially selling machines running MythTV? Maybe a small shuttle, with a IR remote? |
| 11:51 | E1ven> | I'd love to grab a machine, but I don't really want to build a dual-tuner machine at the moment. |
| 11:51 | jbeimler> | ananke: Circuit City has the Pinnicle cards, I got the stereo one w/ the remote last night. |
| 11:51 | kvandivo> | a google search for 'selling mythtv' returns quite a few hits |
| 11:51 | ananke> | yeah, unfortunatelly closest circuit city is an hour away |
| 11:52 | ananke> | how important is to have a tv tuner card with a remote? doesn't the mythtv perform channel changing? |
| 11:52 | jbeimler> | ananke: our local computer shop usually has the ATI cheapie card, but it was out of stock. |
| 11:52 | kvandivo> | the remote is used to control mythtv |
| 11:52 | kvandivo> | whether that remote comes with the tuner or not is up to you |
| 11:52 | jbeimler> | ananke: its a PITA to use the keyboard, myth is obviously set up for a remote |
| 11:53 | ananke> | kvandivo : i see. what i was going to do is to build an infrared receiver, hook it up to via lirc, and use my main remote controller |
| 11:53 | E1ven> | I looked at Google, but I couldn't find anyone actually SELLING it. |
| 11:53 | kvandivo> | ananke: many people do that |
| 11:53 | ananke> | i already got the parts, i'll be making the circuit tonight |
| 11:54 | ananke> | kvandivo : thanks. what i was trying to figure out is if i use my other remote - if the tv tuner remote would be useful for anything else besides taking up space :) |
| 11:54 | kvandivo> | note: just because the linux kernel supports a tuner card doesn't definitively mean that mythtv will. |
| 11:54 | ananke> | kvandivo : that was my major concern |
| 11:54 | kvandivo> | the most popular choice from reading the mail lists is probably a pvr250 or 350 |
| 11:55 | kvandivo> | they have the hardware encoding, stereo, etc |
| 11:55 | jbeimler> | ananke: ATI TV Wonder VE - TV Tuner Card is the cheap one I've seen, around 50$US |
| 11:55 | ananke> | great |
| 12:02 | jbeimler> | on the sound issues, would dropping a second sound card in for recording be of help? |
| 12:02 | kvandivo> | depending on your tuner card, a sound card is often required |
| 12:02 | o_cee> | for playback |
| 12:03 | * | o_cee is away: Gone |
| 12:03 | jbeimler> | already have one for playback, thinking of adding a second one for just the plug of the tuner |
| 12:05 | fathom> | jbeimler, that's the card i have that ATI TV VE |
| 12:05 | fathom> | it was cheap, and i was just wanting to check this out |
| 12:05 | fathom> | didn't want to drop $200 on a card |
| 12:06 | jbeimler> | I'm trying a pinnacle PCTV pro for a demo tommorow night, but can't get it to work, I may fall back to the ati |
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| 12:06 | fathom> | i read up on the pinnacle, i didn't like it |
| 12:06 | fathom> | figured the ati would work and it was about $20 cheaper |
| 12:06 | Kreat> | was thinking of getting a dvb-t card like the nova-t, any hope of getting it cooperating nicely with mythtv? |
| 12:06 | jbeimler> | fathom: it just blows ? |
| 12:07 | jbeimler> | didn't have much time to read up, figured stereo might make a better demo |
| 12:07 | fathom> | nah, there was something about the card itself i didn't like.. not sure what, but hey if it works for you that's all that matters. |
| 12:08 | jbeimler> | no it doesn't work. gettin tired of messing with it, may just go buy another ATI |
| 12:09 | jbeimler> | I might just be spoiled though, my first install took a couple hours and worked first try. |
| 12:11 | fathom> | lol i'm on day 3 of my install |
| 12:11 | fathom> | but i'm using a funky distro so i'm having to fix a lot of little problems along the way |
| 12:12 | kvandivo> | i had a heck of a time myself. it consisted of 'emerge mythtv' and walking away for an hour or so. :) |
| 12:14 | ananke> | here's what i have so far in the box: sblive with digital out, geforce4, and eventually i need a faster proc [only athlon 900mhz]. i was mainly building an mp3 jukebox, but since mythtv has all this functionality and more, i am wondering about trying out the pvr functionality |
| 12:14 | ananke> | fathom : what distro? |
| 12:15 | fathom> | crux |
| 12:15 | ananke> | what would be really nice, is the ability to record my digital cable channels... |
| 12:15 | ananke> | hmm, crux is/was based on slack. i use slack, and had no problems installing mythtv |
| 12:16 | fathom> | there was a lot of problems building xmltv |
| 12:16 | ananke> | did you compile all the pre-requisites? |
| 12:16 | fathom> | that's what the problem was |
| 12:16 | fathom> | some --center tag with man page crap you don't need |
| 12:16 | fathom> | Tk wouldn't compile and a few other things |
| 12:16 | fathom> | i had to hack up the make file |
| 12:16 | ananke> | perl -MCPAN -e'install whatever::whatever' :) |
| 12:16 | fathom> | yeah :P it would fail |
| 12:17 | ananke> | from what i understand, that tk module is optional |
| 12:17 | fathom> | i think the version of man i have is newer and removed that option or something |
| 12:17 | fathom> | lol lovely |
| 12:17 | ananke> | fathom : try forcing it. in lots of cases it works. |
| 12:17 | fathom> | i fought with that for about a day |
| 12:17 | ananke> | force install whatever::whatever instead of install whatever::whatever |
| 12:17 | fathom> | nah that switch would cause the compile to just flat out bomb |
| 12:17 | fathom> | even a force wouldn't do it, i tried that |
| 12:17 | fathom> | but i'm past all that now :P |
| 12:18 | ananke> | that will teach you to use funky distros :) |
| 12:18 | sfr> | fathom: doesn't sound like a recommendable distro then. but let's not start a distro-flamewar |
| 12:18 | fathom> | hey i like my distro :) |
| 12:18 | fathom> | sfr, oh i wouldn't reccomend this distro to anyone that's not very linux savvy |
| 12:18 | fathom> | and even if you are |
| 12:18 | fathom> | unless you're pretty much a slackware user, i'd avoid it. |
| 12:19 | fathom> | i hate rpm |
| 12:19 | ananke> | so let me get it straight: you get need to know slackware in order to use crux, yet you get less than slackware offers? :) |
| 12:19 | fathom> | not big on apt-get, etc, so this is what i use, but i don't try to force it on anyone and it's not better than anything else, it's just my personal pref. |
| 12:20 | fathom> | ananke, eh, it has this package building system somewhat like gentoo |
| 12:20 | fathom> | and it's a very very small distro |
| 12:20 | fathom> | but enough about all that :P |
| 12:20 | sfr> | i never understood why someone wants to compile everything from source. it can't be the improved speed |
| 12:21 | ananke> | sfr : here's a funny summary of gentoo zealots, somebody showed it to me last night. i think it's pretty amusing http://upevil.net/grrr/gentoozealot.html |
| 12:21 | fathom> | i don't know... there's something about this.. i moved to crux from doing a linux from scratch setup |
| 12:21 | sfr> | must be in those peoples genes :) |
| 12:21 | * | ananke takes the distro wars/flames very lightly by the way, gotta have some humor |
| 12:22 | fathom> | i agree ananke |
| 12:22 | fathom> | i don't give a flip what people use... if i'm not in windows i'm happy. |
| 12:24 | fathom> | hmmm i don't have alsa set up, i'm going to try this without it first. |
| 12:24 | ananke> | you know, slackware uses alsa :) |
| 12:25 | fathom> | so does crux :P |
| 12:25 | fathom> | i just don't have it installed, i don't typically use alsa |
| 12:25 | fathom> | esound works fine for me most of the time |
| 12:25 | fathom> | i've still got a long way to go before this is working though from what i can tell |
| 12:26 | ananke> | esound would be something in a different ball park than alsa |
| 12:26 | fathom> | hmmmm |
| 12:26 | fathom> | i guess i'm not 100% what the diff is |
| 12:26 | fathom> | hmm guess i can skip the remote part, don't have one. |
| 12:26 | ananke> | alsa's counterpart is another driver technology, such as oss. esd's counterpart would be another sound server, such as arts. |
| 12:27 | fathom> | ah |
| 12:27 | fathom> | so your suggestion would be to install alsa then i guess? |
| 12:28 | ananke> | use what you prefer. i just recently switched over to alsa, seeing how oss is being phased out. |
| 12:28 | fathom> | fair enough, guess i should get to know alsa then. |
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| 12:32 | ananke> | ouch, pvr-250 is $149 |
| 12:32 | fathom> | ya |
| 12:32 | fathom> | might as well go for the pvr-300 it's $200 and hard hardware encode/decode |
| 12:35 | ananke> | hmm, i think i may have to hold on the pvr series |
| 12:36 | fathom> | i want one if this works, but i'll have to hold off too |
| 12:37 | ananke> | i already spent plenty of money on the additional drives, etc. |
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| 13:17 | mchou> | hi choenig, did you get my last email regarding sdwu from a few days ago? |
| 13:18 | choenig> | mchou: hi, yes, I did, but Im very busy ATM because of a sudden change in classes |
| 13:19 | mchou> | ok, no hurry.... |
| 13:30 | rkulagow> | captain_murdoch: you here? |
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| 13:31 | mchou> | rkulagow, so what did you find out about conflict res. and "mythbackend --printsched"? |
| 13:33 | rkulagow> | i had finished adding the printlists() as chutt recommended but hadn't installed yet. today i do a printsched for something else, and what do i see? |
| 13:33 | rkulagow> | MythBusters 48 1048 Dec 14 03:00pm 1 1 1 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
| 13:33 | rkulagow> | Battlestar Galactica 44 1044 Dec 14 06:00pm 1 1 1 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
| 13:33 | rkulagow> | Survivor: Pearl Island 2 1002 Dec 14 07:00pm 1 1 1 0 0 0 A 0 0 |
| 13:33 | rkulagow> | The Simpsons 12 1012 Dec 14 07:00pm 1 2 2 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
| 13:33 | rkulagow> | Junkyard Mega-Wars 52 1052 Dec 14 07:00pm 1 1 1 0 0 0 O 0 0 |
| 13:33 | rkulagow> | Malcolm in the Middle 12 1012 Dec 14 08:00pm 1 2 2 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
| 13:33 | rkulagow> | Arrested Development 12 1012 Dec 14 08:30pm 1 1 1 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
| 13:33 | rkulagow> | Survivor: Pearl Island 2 1002 Dec 14 09:00pm 1 1 1 0 1 0 - 0 0 |
| 13:33 | rkulagow> | (it's there now) |
| 13:33 | mchou> | hehe... |
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| 13:35 | rkulagow> | no idea what caused it to decide to at least put it in the schedule. |
| 13:35 | mchou> | when do you run mythfilldb? |
| 13:35 | rkulagow> | now i just need to get the M179's operational so i always have more tuners than shows to record and pretend like it never happened. |
| 13:35 | rkulagow> | 0430 |
| 13:36 | mchou> | that's later than when you reported the prob. yesterday? |
| 13:37 | rkulagow> | yes. saw the problem ~ 2200 |
| 13:38 | mchou> | I'll bet mythfilldb "triggered" something.... |
| 13:38 | rkulagow> | the thing is that everything that's in that block is a "one shot" - there aren't any other chances to record those particular episodes. |
| 13:38 | rkulagow> | (other than junkyard wars) |
| 13:39 | mchou> | hmm? not sure if I understand what you mean. You mean you can't record anything else in that timeslot? |
| 13:39 | sfr> | Arrested Development? wasn't that a band in the '90? |
| 13:40 | mchou> | BG comes on (repeats) at diiferent times here.... |
| 13:43 | mchou> | rkulagow: so you recieved your m179s? how long did it take? |
| 13:46 | rkulagow> | m179's were UPS ground delivered on dec 3. |
| 13:47 | rkulagow> | auction ended on 12 nov. that's a pretty long damn time, and my rating of the seller will reflect that. |
| 13:48 | billytwowilly> | when did you pay him/her? |
| 13:48 | rkulagow> | 12 nov. |
| 13:48 | rkulagow> | bought 3. |
| 13:49 | billytwowilly> | So exactly three weeks. Did you pay by check? |
| 13:49 | rkulagow> | credit card. |
| 13:50 | billytwowilly> | heh, ok so that is a long time then. |
| 13:50 | billytwowilly> | 3 weeks would just be a little bit long if you had payed by check. |
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| 13:52 | billytwowilly> | ebay is killing me. I've been trying to get a decent deal on the pvr-250 for about 2 months now. |
| 13:52 | ananke> | ahh, neat: seems that slashdot is running an article on the 'evil' tivo, and by accident i bumped into this link on the different hardware configurations people use: |
| 13:52 | ananke> | http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-pvrhwdb.php |
| 13:52 | billytwowilly> | every time the price either goes to high or the guy won't ship to canada. |
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| 14:04 | mchou> | rkulagow: so how's the m179 working out so far? |
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| 14:09 | rkulagow> | mchou: not working yet. i'm using jens axboe's modified drivers which are more stable with the pvr-250's i already have, but to get the M179 to work i have to patch the driver with chris pinkham's stuff, and it doesn't apply cleanly. |
| 14:10 | mchou> | hmm, what kernel and distro are u using? |
| 14:11 | rkulagow> | mandrake cooker, 2.4.23-0.rc5.2mdk |
| 14:12 | mchou> | so cpinkham's patch doesn't apply cleanly to axboe's latest ivtv driver? |
| 14:13 | rkulagow> | not the 031125 driver (non .12 version). (and in dmesg the driver self-idents as 1118A). there are rejects in |
| 14:13 | rkulagow> | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 1071 Dec 7 02:22 ivtv-api.c.rej |
| 14:13 | rkulagow> | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 6867 Dec 7 02:22 ivtv-driver.c.rej |
| 14:15 | mchou> | hmm. Can't help u out there.... |
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| 14:43 | o_cee> | did anyone catch my small update to gant? |
| 14:43 | * | o_cee is back (gone 02:40:37) |
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| 14:58 | Chutt> | o_cee, screenshots? |
| 14:59 | Chutt> | o_cee, and, want gant in the distribution, to replace liquid? |
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| 15:00 | dja> | chutt, any thought on the save position patch? |
| 15:00 | Chutt> | i just had time to look it over briefly |
| 15:01 | dja> | np -- let me know if you'd like it to be done differently (or not at all) :-) |
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| 15:18 | thor_> | ah, a web forum debate .... is it already the 10th of the month? |
| 15:21 | Chutt> | yup |
| 15:24 | * | kvandivo smirks. |
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| 15:34 | pahli_bar> | /. is having a tivo-substitute article running now. will prove to be an interesting reading |
| 15:34 | Chutt> | another one? |
| 15:35 | pahli_bar> | Chutt: this seems to be directed towards the hardware |
| 15:36 | ananke> | yeah, i just noticed that too |
| 15:37 | pahli_bar> | Chutt: i seem to be having problems commiting to cvs. permission denied |
| 15:38 | Chutt> | lemme see |
| 15:41 | Chutt> | ok, try now |
| 15:43 | pahli_bar> | Chutt: heh... i just saw that you fixed the bug which i was trying to fix. so no commits to make |
| 15:43 | Chutt> | which bug? |
| 15:44 | Chutt> | try a commit anyway |
| 15:44 | pahli_bar> | Chutt: a read before write bug... |
| 15:44 | Chutt> | just so you can later on |
| 15:44 | Chutt> | bump the version number in the mythnews readme or something =) |
| 15:44 | Chutt> | and which read before write bug? |
| 15:45 | pahli_bar> | Chutt: oh. actually its not been fixed. i will commit it now. m_ItemsPerListing is being read before written |
| 15:45 | pahli_bar> | Chutt: and commit works. thanks |
| 15:46 | Chutt> | great |
| 15:46 | Chutt> | you weren't in the right group =) |
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| 15:56 | ilikemythtv> | hey guys, what is the big advantage with a Wintv 350 card compaired to a bt878 card? |
| 15:57 | Chutt> | hardware encoding and decoding. |
| 15:57 | ilikemythtv> | what is the advantage? if I have a fast computer, will i notice a difference? |
| 15:57 | Chutt> | very high quality tv out. |
| 15:57 | ilikemythtv> | tvout? |
| 15:58 | jbeimler> | ilikemythtv: I do, even at 1.6GHz. |
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| 15:58 | thor_> | video signal that goes out of your computer and into your TV |
| 15:58 | ilikemythtv> | i dont do that |
| 15:58 | ilikemythtv> | i own a tv card so I dont have to do that |
| 15:59 | ilikemythtv> | no room in my apartment for a tc |
| 15:59 | ilikemythtv> | tv |
| 16:06 | Netslayer> | is myth causing "audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!" or is that alsa outputing that. trying to figure out what that could be |
| 16:06 | ilikemythtv> | sounds like you have a bad module in your flux compasitor |
| 16:07 | Netslayer> | heh |
| 16:09 | Netslayer> | i hate alsa, i really do, building gentoo is a walk in the park compared to getting this audio driver to work although i can aplay anything fine heh, just myth |
| 16:09 | Chutt> | then why use alsa? |
| 16:10 | jbeimler> | Netslayer: I like alsa, once I figure out which module goes where. glad its going in to 2.6 finally |
| 16:10 | Netslayer> | i can't stop using it.. hmm |
| 16:10 | Netslayer> | i wanted to get ac3 pass through working.. heh still doesn't although i think that's close |
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| 16:12 | ilikemythtv> | Chutt, you should create Mythtv Live cds, that can mount a harddrive, so we can have a perfect mythtv setup |
| 16:12 | Netslayer> | auh what would be the difference between knoppmyth? |
| 16:13 | ilikemythtv> | there is such a thing? |
| 16:13 | Netslayer> | heh |
| 16:13 | Netslayer> | http://hust.la/KnoppMyth/ |
| 16:13 | ananke> | i wonder if that includes nvidia drivers or not |
| 16:13 | Netslayer> | http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html |
| 16:14 | Netslayer> | most likely |
| 16:14 | Netslayer> | it has the pvr 250/350 support in it i think alsa |
| 16:17 | Netslayer> | funny and it says OSS audio device /dev/dsp, ah |
| 16:19 | Ripp_> | prepare to get slashdotted again mythtv.org |
| 16:19 | Chutt> | old news. |
| 16:19 | ilikemythtv> | Ripp_, whats a slashdotted? |
| 16:20 | Ripp_> | and I thought I was reading too much of it today :p |
| 16:20 | Netslayer> | heh |
| 16:20 | sfr> | ilikemythtv: got a website up? post the url and we'll be happy to show you :) |
| 16:20 | ilikemythtv> | what url? |
| 16:20 | Netslayer> | it's the affect of a ton of people reading slashdot.org retrieving links they post up |
| 16:20 | ilikemythtv> | oh |
| 16:21 | Netslayer> | and most of the time peoples servers can't handle the bandwidth |
| 16:21 | Ripp_> | thats like the umpteenth pvr box article they've done lately... |
| 16:21 | kvandivo> | I call it the SDOS. the Slashdot Denial of Server |
| 16:21 | kvandivo> | err.. service, i meant |
| 16:21 | mikegrb> | we don't care what you call it ;) |
| 16:22 | kvandivo> | The DOS, Slashdot-style. |
| 16:22 | kvandivo> | mikegrb-- |
| 16:22 | ilikemythtv> | i always wondered what slashdot was |
| 16:22 | mikegrb> | heh |
| 16:22 | mikegrb> | kvandivo: :p it doesn't work here |
| 16:22 | kvandivo> | hence the reason i did it |
| 16:22 | mikegrb> | ahh |
| 16:22 | mikegrb> | well then kvandivo++ |
| 16:26 | Chutt> | heh, neat, looks like the website spiked at 2700kb/s |
| 16:26 | Ripp_> | anyone had any issues w/ kernel 2.4.23 and/or alsa 0.9.8? I updated to both recently and now playback will just randomly get slow. Like 1/2 speed and eventually locks up |
| 16:27 | Netslayer> | have my own alsa issues heh |
| 16:27 | kvandivo> | you should have put up a note saying .13 was out later this week |
| 16:27 | ananke> | hmm, i just installed mythtv on 2.4.23 with alsa 0.9.8, but i haven't tested the sound yet |
| 16:27 | Ripp_> | odd part is I don't use myth's alsa support... so |
| 16:27 | pahli_bar> | Ripp_: using 2.4.23 and alsa 0.9.8 at home (and v4l2 also) and no problems here |
| 16:27 | Chutt> | kvandivo, tonight, if i have the time |
| 16:28 | Ripp_> | add "upgrade mythbox to .13" to this weekends todo list |
| 16:28 | ananke> | although slack-current just moved to alsa 1.0.0rc2, so i may move to that |
| 16:29 | Ripp_> | yeah gentoo's put that in as well, I should see if that cures it, maybe .13 will as well... *shrug* |
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| 16:30 | pahli_bar> | talking about prices: i managed to do mine for $299 to be exact. |
| 16:30 | ananke> | pahli_bar : entire box? |
| 16:30 | pahli_bar> | ananke: yup |
| 16:31 | pahli_bar> | though i should have spent more and bought a PVR-350 |
| 16:31 | ananke> | what kind of components are in it? care to share? |
| 16:31 | pahli_bar> | ananke: one sec |
| 16:31 | ananke> | great |
| 16:31 | Netslayer> | in order to use alsa do we have to compile it with those ALSA flags in settings.pro? |
| 16:31 | Chutt> | no |
| 16:32 | Chutt> | normally, it's best to use the oss emulation modules. |
| 16:32 | Netslayer> | any idea how i can go back to just oss |
| 16:32 | Netslayer> | auh, not worth my time i'll reformat with gentoo |
| 16:32 | ananke> | ick, gentoo :) |
| 16:33 | Netslayer> | it makes life easier then mdk, that screws everything up |
| 16:33 | ananke> | i don't use mdk, so i wouldn't know |
| 16:33 | Netslayer> | what distro? |
| 16:34 | ananke> | i use slackware |
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| 16:34 | Netslayer> | auh, gentoo is pretty cool, it handles a lot of stuff with emerge, and that's why i like it. |
| 16:34 | downix> | Hey |
| 16:34 | o_cee> | Chutt: https://dragon.dyndns.tv/mythtv/previewgantpr1.1.png is what it looks like at the moment, and yeah, i'd love that :) |
| 16:34 | * | downix could use a hand getting MythTV setup |
| 16:34 | ananke> | when i used gentoo, i found ebuild scripts broken too often |
| 16:35 | downix> | when I try to use the mythtv setup script, it just hangs |
| 16:35 | sfr> | hm topic for today seems to be "my favourite/most hated distribution" |
| 16:35 | Netslayer> | heh |
| 16:35 | downix> | ananke: I'd comment but I've made enough ebuild scripts. 8) |
| 16:35 | o_cee> | sfr: really, who gives a shit about that :) i sure know i don't |
| 16:35 | ananke> | downix :) |
| 16:35 | downix> | sfr: Ygdrassil! |
| 16:35 | Netslayer> | o_cee that's great.. weren't u mentioning it's in CVS, haven't seen it around |
| 16:36 | o_cee> | Netslayer: not the theme, but the mythbackend status page |
| 16:36 | Chutt> | o_cee, after the release |
| 16:36 | Netslayer> | auh |
| 16:36 | thor_> | hmmm .... Chutt is updating README's ..... |
| 16:36 | downix> | Reading the website it tells me to run the setup program, but that also hangs without reason |
| 16:36 | o_cee> | allright, cool. let me know. i'm having exams next week, so i hope i'll have some time to finnish stuff after that |
| 16:36 | * | Netslayer drumrolls |
| 16:37 | thor_> | downix, it may be thinking .... |
| 16:37 | Chutt> | downix, mailing list |
| 16:37 | thor_> | let it |
| 16:37 | ananke> | downix : you can run strace, see what is the last stuff it tries to do |
| 16:37 | Chutt> | heh |
| 16:37 | sfr> | thor_: really? so Chutt, please have a look at the -dev list for mails starting with [PATCH] :) |
| 16:37 | Chutt> | sfr, i applied your german translation |
| 16:38 | Chutt> | for mythtv, are there more? |
| 16:38 | sfr> | no, only that one |
| 16:38 | pahli_bar> | ananke: here you go: MB (shuttle AN35N ultra): $47.99, Case (second hand): $25, CPU (Athlon 2000+ XP): $67, HD (Maxtor 120GB): $66.00, Video Card (Chaintech Nvidia MX440): $36, TV Card (Leadtek TV2000XP): $46, Memory (Kingston 256MB): $0 |
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| 16:38 | downix> | ananke: it is trying to connect so it looks |
| 16:38 | dhsidi92> | what distro is the best for mythtv? |
| 16:38 | o_cee> | what encouriging email from bjm :) very sweet |
| 16:39 | downix> | ananke: to a bunch of IP's that I do not know what the hell they are. |
| 16:39 | o_cee> | 92? that when you where born or something? |
| 16:39 | ananke> | pahli_bar : not bad, i wish i had some stores with such low prices around here. is that shuttle mobo one of those tiny ones? |
| 16:40 | pahli_bar> | ananke: no a regular ATX one. i took a long time and waited for rebates and stuff like that. |
| 16:40 | pahli_bar> | ananke: most of the stuff is from newegg |
| 16:40 | downix> | ananke: here's the last line: connect(9, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(3306), sin_addr=inet_addr("64.146.36.135")}, 16 |
| 16:40 | dhsidi92> | what distro is the best for mythtv? |
| 16:40 | o_cee> | Chutt? please? |
| 16:40 | o_cee> | ;) |
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| 16:40 | ananke> | te-64-146-36-135.transedge.com, hmm? |
| 16:40 | Chutt> | dhsidi92, hey, i have an idea, ask that 4 more time! |
| 16:41 | dhsidi92> | Chutt, ok |
| 16:41 | downix> | ananke: needless to say, I am puzzled |
| 16:41 | Chutt> | downix, err, that's not the mythtv setup program :p |
| 16:41 | pahli_bar> | dhsidi92: i have had very good experiences with debian unstable. YMMV |
| 16:41 | ananke> | downix : i'm too, very |
| 16:41 | Netslayer> | dhsidi92, if ur new try mandrake, if ur not a noob, use gentoo |
| 16:41 | downix> | Chutt: it's called mythsetup so I assumed it was. |
| 16:41 | Chutt> | unless that's your mysql server |
| 16:41 | downix> | mysql is on the local system |
| 16:41 | Netslayer> | dhsidi92, although gentoo isn't too bad for beginners, i don't think, they have great docs |
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| 16:42 | engie> | Does anyone know when the deb's are going to be updated? I'd really like mythvideo, but I'm pained to install from source when the debs work so well at the moment |
| 16:42 | ananke> | pahli_bar : overall, that's quite nice |
| 16:43 | pahli_bar> | ananke: thanks. will be waiting for a good price on a pvr-250/350 though |
| 16:43 | ananke> | yeah, i started to look at those, and boy, they are expensive |
| 16:43 | Chutt> | downix, whose binary package are you using? |
| 16:43 | downix> | Chutt: gentoo |
| 16:43 | * | pahli_bar nods |
| 16:43 | thor_> | I think that's his name server |
| 16:43 | Chutt> | thor, 3306 is mysql, no? |
| 16:43 | Netslayer> | u mean ebuilds? |
| 16:43 | * | downix nods, right |
| 16:44 | billytwowilly> | debs updated? is 0.13 out? |
| 16:44 | thor_> | ah |
| 16:44 | thor_> | yup |
| 16:44 | thor_> | does look a bit odd |
| 16:44 | downix> | Chutt: I'll give it a go from the downloadable source however |
| 16:44 | Netslayer> | it will take a few days won't it for gentoo .13 ebuilds? |
| 16:45 | billytwowilly> | is the website just not updated or is there something screwy happening with my browser? |
| 16:45 | Chutt> | who the fuck said 0.13 was out? |
| 16:45 | mikegrb> | Chutt: the little voice in their head |
| 16:45 | Netslayer> | heh |
| 16:45 | mikegrb> | heh |
| 16:45 | pahli_bar> | ananke: the avermedia M179(?) seems to be able to do hardware mpeg2 (and is only about $79). does anyone know about the video quality |
| 16:45 | Netslayer> | i think thor was reffering to something else |
| 16:45 | billytwowilly> | oh. thor_ mustn't have been talking to me when he said yep.. |
| 16:45 | thor_> | nope |
| 16:46 | thor_> | sorry |
| 16:46 | Netslayer> | pahli_bar, that sounds interesting, make sure to check it's not software, they like to market that |
| 16:46 | billytwowilly> | no problem. I'd prefer if 0.13 didn't come out till after my exams anyway;) I'll lose too much time playing with it;) |
| 16:46 | Netslayer> | my last final is in 23hrs :-) |
| 16:46 | billytwowilly> | my last 2 are on the 15. |
| 16:47 | Netslayer> | i should have my new myth network up and running by then |
| 16:47 | * | Netslayer crosses his fingers |
| 16:47 | pahli_bar> | Netslayer: http://www.aver.com/products/tvtuner_M179.shtml#2 |
| 16:48 | Netslayer> | sure looks like it, it even has a fan on the cpu heh |
| 16:48 | Netslayer> | +encoder chip |
| 16:49 | Netslayer> | although it might not be supported |
| 16:49 | dhsidi92> | can I mail my computer to someone here so they can setup mythtv on it? |
| 16:49 | pahli_bar> | Netslayer: video is supported by ivtv. theres a patch floating around for audio support |
| 16:49 | dhsidi92> | ill pay for it |
| 16:49 | Netslayer> | heh |
| 16:49 | o_cee> | buy one instead |
| 16:49 | o_cee> | :P |
| 16:50 | Netslayer> | ya no kidding |
| 16:50 | downix> | I find it sad how MPEG decoders haven't gone down in price for almost a decade |
| 16:51 | o_cee> | thor_: i started mucking around with mythmusic.. |
| 16:51 | o_cee> | thor_: for gant |
| 16:51 | thor_> | ok |
| 16:51 | thor_> | make cool buttons ! |
| 16:52 | o_cee> | changed track_info_background, selectionbar and the other one that's blue |
| 16:52 | dhsidi92> | thor_, cool buttons! |
| 16:52 | o_cee> | workin on them ;) |
| 16:52 | o_cee> | uhm |
| 16:52 | o_cee> | right |
| 16:53 | thor_> | it should be easy to fiddle with as it's fairly forgiving of things not being mentioned in the theme |
| 16:53 | o_cee> | thor_: thought about changing the 1,2,3,4 buttons now since they're changeable (or if they aren't yet, easily fixed).. to something that doesn't take that much space |
| 16:53 | thor_> | yup |
| 16:53 | o_cee> | yeah, just have to figure out how it should look like first |
| 16:54 | o_cee> | and i'm missing ff/rw buttons.. |
| 16:54 | o_cee> | got cool looking ones for the rest |
| 16:55 | thor_> | you need three for each (but I guess you know that already) |
| 16:55 | Chutt> | o_cee, change the layout =) |
| 16:55 | o_cee> | yeah |
| 16:55 | Chutt> | i've been wanting a bigger current info area |
| 16:55 | thor_> | yup |
| 16:55 | o_cee> | yeah, me too |
| 16:55 | Chutt> | and shaded, not opaque |
| 16:55 | Chutt> | but i've been too lazy |
| 16:55 | o_cee> | and i'll probably make those 4 bbutons alot smaller |
| 16:55 | o_cee> | group them together orsomething |
| 16:56 | thor_> | yup |
| 16:56 | thor_> | and don't forget you need space for the disappearing volume display |
| 16:57 | o_cee> | right, that sucker as well |
| 16:57 | o_cee> | don't use it |
| 16:57 | o_cee> | will try to remember ;) |
| 16:57 | thor_> | but you can orient it horizontally from within the theme if you like |
| 16:57 | o_cee> | ah yeah, i saw that |
| 16:57 | o_cee> | might be better |
| 17:02 | Netslayer> | just trying out mythlcd, how can i get it to display backend status, anyone know? |
| 17:03 | jbeimler> | Netslayer: /var/log/mythtv ? |
| 17:04 | dhsidi92> | does via make a hardware decoder on their motherboard? |
| 17:04 | Netslayer> | nah i mean when it is recording, it can output it's status on the lcd |
| 17:04 | Netslayer> | someone on the list says: "add the following |
| 17:04 | Netslayer> | into the settings table: |
| 17:04 | Netslayer> | LCDHost some_ip_or_localhost name_of_your_myth_box |
| 17:04 | downix> | dhci: Only on the newest C3's I believe, and it's not that good |
| 17:05 | Netslayer> | which settings table are they reffering too? mythtv's sql? |
| 17:05 | thor_> | Netslayer, you don't need that if you're using CVS, and it's the frontend that talks to LCDproc |
| 17:06 | Netslayer> | i noticed that, i have it showing me the menus as i go through them, but i don't see any tv show status |
| 17:06 | downix> | Someone needs to make a PVR-centric distro, that automates all this stuff |
| 17:08 | thor_> | http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=viewlink&cid=3 |
| 17:08 | o_cee> | ooh, likst KnoppMyth |
| 17:08 | o_cee> | good idea. |
| 17:08 | downix> | good idea |
| 17:08 | pahli_bar> | thor_: are you the author of mfd |
| 17:08 | o_cee> | why are there so many people here today? |
| 17:08 | Netslayer> | this is what i want to see heh: http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/mythtv/programs/mythlcd/Attic/mythlcd_screenshots.jpg |
| 17:09 | pahli_bar> | o_cee: middle-of-the-week-syndrome |
| 17:09 | thor_> | pahli_bar, that depends ... |
| 17:09 | o_cee> | heh |
| 17:09 | pahli_bar> | thor_: on ? |
| 17:09 | thor_> | whether you're going to shower me with praise or point out that I don't seem to understand threads |
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| 17:11 | thor_> | Netslayer, that was a long time ago, and was progress from the frontend of how much of a program you've seen |
| 17:11 | pahli_bar> | thor_: lol. nothing of that sort. i was wondering if its going to integrated into main myth and if it might address some of the things which i plan to do |
| 17:11 | thor_> | ok, then that's me |
| 17:11 | thor_> | :-) |
| 17:11 | Netslayer> | the only reason i kinda want an lcd is to see if the backend is recording and if so what it is, that's what that screenshot was showing |
| 17:12 | pahli_bar> | thor_: so is it going to be integrated into myth (and any timeline for doing that?) |
| 17:12 | kvandivo> | nice to see that mythtv is mentioned "about once a year" on /. |
| 17:12 | sfr> | Netslayer: you just hurt o_cee you know? goto http://your_backend:6544 and be happy |
| 17:13 | thor_> | yes, but 1-2 months still left to do |
| 17:13 | Netslayer> | i use that now also heh, but that requires another computer to be on |
| 17:13 | pahli_bar> | thor_: ok. |
| 17:14 | pahli_bar> | thor_: i am curious to know if a hardware-abstraction-layer could be built into it so that plugins can receive hardware-events |
| 17:14 | thor_> | hw as in / |
| 17:14 | thor_> | ? |
| 17:14 | pahli_bar> | pahli_bar: like a usb camera being plugged |
| 17:15 | thor_> | yup |
| 17:15 | pahli_bar> | duh. talking to myself |
| 17:15 | thor_> | sorry typing with one hand |
| 17:15 | thor_> | daughter wants to play ... |
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| 17:18 | thor_> | pahli_bar, you'd have a USB watcher that would dynamically create a metadata collection whenever it saw new resources |
| 17:18 | thor_> | much like an optical drive watcher |
| 17:18 | downix> | Wait, I might have it |
| 17:19 | pahli_bar> | i would to see this kind of capability (no demands, just wishlists): a device is plugged in... plugin registered for that device gets a call... plugin prompts user on a OSD for request for action... plugin acts on the request |
| 17:19 | pahli_bar> | thor_: exactly. but this kind of functionality will have to be built into mfd or something similar. |
| 17:19 | thor_> | yes |
| 17:19 | downix> | mysql isn't allowing anyone to login locally |
| 17:19 | thor_> | but the metadata framework already supports swapping collections in and out |
| 17:19 | thor_> | and signals get propagated across the plugins |
| 17:19 | downix> | those addresses are the nameserver for my domain name, which is what it was trying to log into |
| 17:20 | thor_> | so they all know when resources have changed |
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| 17:20 | pahli_bar> | thor_: ah... ok. but the mfd plugins are not the same as regular mythplugins are they? |
| 17:20 | Netslayer> | any ideas what this error on a frontend means: "QSocketDevice::writeBlock: Invalid socket" |
| 17:21 | o_cee> | downix: section 6.4? |
| 17:21 | thor_> | no, totally different ... mfd is headless ... |
| 17:21 | thor_> | the general idea is you can create a plugin that finds resources and "publishes" them to the mfd |
| 17:22 | thor_> | or you create a plugin that serves resources (e.g. DAAP) |
| 17:22 | lmatter_lunch | is now known as lmatter |
| 17:23 | thor_> | and because the serving plugins advertize themselves via zeroconfig/Rendezvous, every mfd automatically knows what's available at every other mfd |
| 17:23 | pahli_bar> | thor_: hmmm... i'm still a but confused. i will look through the code and come up with more intelligent questions |
| 17:23 | thor_> | so one little thin client (yet to be written!) can get anything on the network |
| 17:24 | thor_> | as I said, there's still _lots_ to be done ... but the best way to get a feeling for what's possible is to do a checkout from before I started screwing with the DAAP server and run it on the same network as something running iTunes |
| 17:25 | thor_> | or do a checkout in about 6 hours, when daap serving will be working again |
| 17:25 | pahli_bar> | thor_: ok thanks |
| 17:25 | thor_> | np |
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| 17:34 | Netslayer> | if i want to keep later import recorded show data back into a fresh db, do i just have to backup that one 'recorded' table, or are there others that i need |
| 17:36 | o_cee> | use nuvexport maybe.. think there's some stuff for it |
| 17:36 | Netslayer> | would have to do that manually for each show ekk heh have 100 shows recorded |
| 17:36 | o_cee> | true |
| 17:36 | Netslayer> | i'll just copy the whole db and import it later, worst case scenario i have 100 unmarked shows heh |
| 17:37 | Netslayer> | well not import the whole db, but work from there.. i want a new db |
| 17:38 | downix> | Ok, I'm beyond fustrated |
| 17:38 | downix> | mythtv has a login, but it still won't login |
| 17:39 | thor_> | downix, mysql -p -u mythtv mythconverg |
| 17:39 | thor_> | ? |
| 17:40 | pahli_bar> | downix: u mean for mysql or xdm-type login |
| 17:40 | downix> | thor: connects fine |
| 17:40 | downix> | phali: for sql |
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| 17:41 | downix> | Wait, I got it |
| 17:41 | thor_> | more /wherever/you're/myth/is/share/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| 17:45 | downix> | what is VBI? |
| 17:45 | kvandivo> | Visual Basic Instinct |
| 17:45 | downix> | in Mythtv |
| 17:46 | pahli_bar> | thor_: holy crap. 20 threads for mfd? |
| 17:46 | thor_> | heh |
| 17:46 | downix> | I get asked about a VBI device |
| 17:46 | downix> | not sure what one is |
| 17:46 | o_cee> | teletext |
| 17:46 | downix> | ok |
| 17:46 | o_cee> | not supported on pvr-x50 |
| 17:47 | pahli_bar> | thor_: more like 25... somebody really loves threads :) |
| 17:48 | sfr> | 25 ? 1 should be enough for broken daap functionality |
| 17:48 | downix> | I'm not running a PVR-x50 |
| 17:48 | thor_> | pahli_bar, every plugin is it's own thread, most of them run sub threads ... (vritually) no load if nothing is happening though |
| 17:48 | downix> | fun, the setup program crashed |
| 17:48 | downix> | it keeps crashing when I enter my zip code |
| 17:48 | downix> | enters in 4 digits, then crashes |
| 17:48 | thor_> | hehe |
| 17:49 | downix> | segfault |
| 17:49 | Netslayer> | what distro? |
| 17:49 | Netslayer> | kernel? |
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| 17:50 | downix> | gentoo 2.6.0-test11 |
| 17:50 | sfr> | user error, most likely ;) |
| 17:50 | kvandivo> | PEBKAC |
| 17:50 | Netslayer> | crap i'm going to that |
| 17:50 | downix> | it's when I click on input connections |
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| 17:54 | downix> | the error is "couldn't open /dev/v4l/video0 to probe its limits" |
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| 17:55 | downix> | any ideas? |
| 17:57 | thor_> | lspci |
| 17:57 | o_cee> | dja_: ? |
| 17:58 | dja_> | sorry, didn't mean to do that...had a question for you... |
| 17:58 | downix> | thor: shows my brooktree card |
| 17:58 | o_cee> | just do a normal query, no need for dcc :) |
| 17:58 | thor_> | lsmod ? |
| 17:58 | o_cee> | downix: and you've loaded the drivers for it? |
| 17:58 | downix> | o_cee: the bttv module, yup |
| 17:58 | dja_> | sorry, I've never used irc before I got my mythtv box...:-) |
| 17:59 | downix> | thor: shows the bttv module there |
| 17:59 | thor_> | dmesg | grep bttv |
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| 17:59 | o_cee> | dja_: ah ;) well just do "/msg o_cee message.." |
| 17:59 | downix> | thor: looks normal here |
| 17:59 | o_cee> | (i think it is) :) |
| 18:00 | thor_> | downix, xawtv installed ? |
| 18:00 | downix> | thor: think so, let me re-check |
| 18:01 | downix> | thor: yup |
| 18:01 | thor_> | man xawtv, find the device command line switch and run it against /dev/v4l/video0 |
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| 18:10 | downix> | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 18:13 | thor_> | as the user that started X: xhost + |
| 18:13 | thor_> | as the user you're trying to run myth as: export DISPLAY="myhostname:0.0" |
| 18:14 | thor_> | where myhostname is the name of, well, your host name |
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| 18:18 | downix> | xhost: unknown command |
| 18:18 | thor_> | eh? |
| 18:19 | downix> | which is odd because it works under root, but it can't open display as root |
| 18:21 | downix> | t it |
| 18:21 | downix> | erm, got it |
| 18:21 | downix> | same error |
| 18:21 | downix> | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 18:21 | thor_> | echo $DISPLAY |
| 18:21 | thor_> | (and what friggin distro are you using?) |
| 18:21 | downix> | :0.0 |
| 18:21 | downix> | Gentoo |
| 18:21 | thor_> | what happened to export DISPLAY="myhostname:0.0" ? |
| 18:21 | downix> | absolutely nothing happened |
| 18:22 | thor_> | echo $SHELL |
| 18:22 | downix> | its bash |
| 18:23 | thor_> | so you are saying that if you type export DISPLAY="myhostname:0.0" |
| 18:23 | thor_> | and then echo $DISPLAY |
| 18:23 | thor_> | you don't get the same thing back ? |
| 18:23 | downix> | I get the same thing, :0.0 |
| 18:23 | downix> | same as I got beforehand |
| 18:24 | thor_> | you should definitely move out of the Bermuda Triangle |
| 18:24 | * | downix didn't think he said that he lived in the Bermuda Triangle... which I actually do |
| 18:25 | kvandivo> | The U. S. Board of Geographic Names does not recognize the Bermuda Triangle as an official name and does not maintain an official file on the area. |
| 18:25 | * | downix chuckles |
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| 18:25 | downix> | Ok, I'm taking a break |
| 18:25 | downix> | Now no apps are launching, same error |
| 18:26 | downix> | Hold on |
| 18:27 | downix> | very odd |
| 18:27 | downix> | I can launch from the "run command" but not from the term |
| 18:28 | thor_> | becuase the run command is as the user that started X |
| 18:29 | downix> | so were the shells IIRC |
| 18:29 | downix> | wait |
| 18:29 | downix> | ok, I was under su |
| 18:30 | downix> | alright, now I'm getting somewhere |
| 18:30 | o_cee> | lovely. |
| 18:30 | downix> | hmm, /dev/v4l/video0 gives a permission denied error |
| 18:30 | o_cee> | check the permissions then? |
| 18:30 | downix> | o_cee: way ahead of you |
| 18:31 | o_cee> | doesn't seem like it |
| 18:31 | thor_> | heh |
| 18:32 | o_cee> | kvandivo: maybe we could add uptime for the backend? |
| 18:32 | o_cee> | funny, inte a pointless kind of way |
| 18:33 | o_cee> | thor_: could you do a SELECT profile |
| 18:33 | o_cee> | FROM `record`; ? |
| 18:34 | o_cee> | wondering why i've got '0's in there |
| 18:34 | thor_> | eh? |
| 18:34 | kvandivo> | umm.. i suppose so. not sure that it would add much value |
| 18:35 | kvandivo> | i guess it is an upper bound on how long mythbackend has been running |
| 18:35 | thor_> | o_cee, I've got oodles of 0's |
| 18:35 | o_cee> | (on the status page that is) |
| 18:35 | o_cee> | thor_: shouldn't they be "Default" "High Quality" and so on?? |
| 18:36 | dja_> | (thank's o_cee :-) |
| 18:36 | o_cee> | dja_: ;) |
| 18:36 | thor_> | yeah, probably, but I don't really know how any of that works |
| 18:36 | o_cee> | thor_: they're supposed to be strings now with the new profiling stuff i think |
| 18:36 | o_cee> | allright.. what do you setup your recs with? |
| 18:36 | dja_> | thor_: o_cee and I were discussing the fact that the default profile in the advanced recording screen is "(unspecified)", which stores a "0" if you leave it that way. |
| 18:37 | thor_> | just Default |
| 18:37 | o_cee> | thor_: with the frontend or mythweb? |
| 18:37 | thor_> | fe |
| 18:37 | dja_> | I've made a small patch that "fixes" that (by removing "(unspecified)" from the list of options) |
| 18:37 | o_cee> | allright. mythweb seems to make it "right" i htink |
| 18:38 | o_cee> | Chutt: any comment? |
| 18:38 | dja_> | but, it doesn't take care of the TOGGLERECORD option...that is harder (at least for me) :-)...unfortunately that's how I setup 99% of my recordings... |
| 18:39 | downix> | ok, got it |
| 18:39 | downix> | yay, it works! |
| 18:39 | downix> | Now I guess I need to plug up the cable |
| 18:39 | downix> | 8) |
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| 18:48 | o_cee> | Captain_Murdoch: damn, 90hrs idle.. heh. :/ |
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| 19:33 | debianboy> | hi |
| 19:34 | debianboy> | does anyone know why mythtv seg faults when you press the multimedia keys on a keyboard? |
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| 19:58 | rkulagow> | chutt: are you here? |
| 19:58 | Chutt> | yup |
| 19:58 | Chutt> | what's up? |
| 20:00 | rkulagow> | ran into an issue on a M179; on the M179, the inputs are: "S Video 0", "N/A", "N/A", "Composite 0" and "Tuner 0". when i was in setup and had initially defined the MPEG card and got to the "default input" i hit cursor down, got "N/A", cursor down, "N/A", cursor up "N/A" and said, "whoa! driver must be broken". i didn't hit cursor down again, so didn't know that Composite 0 and Tuner 0 were still valid choices. |
| 20:00 | Chutt> | heh |
| 20:00 | Chutt> | well |
| 20:00 | rkulagow> | any reason you see on why "N/A" can't be dropped? |
| 20:00 | Chutt> | that's more of a driver issue |
| 20:01 | Chutt> | kevin says the next major revision's going to only display what's available |
| 20:01 | rkulagow> | ok |
| 20:02 | downix> | that reminds me, I need to figure out how to handle the S-Video in |
| 20:03 | rkulagow> | hope he wraps in Jens' stuff into the next official CVS tarball, because the base CVSLATEST just doesn't work too well for me on the PVR-250. (lots of the DMA queuing stuff that created two 7GB syslog and /var/log/messages full of errors before i saw what was happening.) |
| 20:03 | Chutt> | yeah |
| 20:04 | Chutt> | they're rewriting lots of stuff at the moment |
| 20:04 | Chutt> | which is a pain -- finally got my epia-m back running, did a big upgrade |
| 20:04 | Chutt> | first thing my wife did was pause it, and ivtv-fb took a nose dive =) |
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| 20:07 | rkulagow> | the WAF has been going down; i've been running into the "tinny audio" problem. |
| 20:07 | Chutt> | ah |
| 20:07 | Chutt> | did you see anduin withers' patch that attempts to fix that? |
| 20:08 | rkulagow> | i'm about 200 messages behind on ivtv-dev. was that the one that does the stream close stuff? |
| 20:08 | Chutt> | it was just today or yesterday, i think |
| 20:08 | warlord> | yea... and it seems to work really well. |
| 20:08 | Chutt> | i don't remember exactly |
| 20:08 | rkulagow> | and generates the EOS error that doesn't matter? |
| 20:08 | warlord> | i've not seen a tinny audio since. |
| 20:09 | warlord> | it doesn't always generate an EOS error. |
| 20:10 | rkulagow> | ah - i was just trying to see if we were talking about the same patch. no, i haven't applied it yet, but if it's a TrueFix for tinny audio (standard=0x20 didn't seem to help much) then i'm all over it. |
| 20:11 | Chutt> | i'm wasting time reading slashdot comments |
| 20:12 | rkulagow> | "self built PVRs are cheaper"! "no they're not"! |
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| 20:13 | Netslayer> | heh |
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| 20:13 | rkulagow> | that sort of stuff, or something useful this time? it's like, "is it time for the monthly slashdot article _already_?" can't wait for my mailbox to fill with people that think _I_ wrote mythtv. |
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| 20:14 | Chutt> | rkulagow, nothing really interesting |
| 20:14 | rkulagow> | ah, ok. let me see if i can get my M179's operational then... |
| 20:15 | Chutt> | just about every single comment is about mythtv and not something else, though =) |
| 20:15 | Chutt> | ah well |
| 20:15 | Chutt> | time to start packaging 0.13, i suppose |
| 20:16 | warlord> | cool... |
| 20:16 | rkulagow> | aggh. let me get an upload of the docs done so they're in the tarball then. is it tonight? |
| 20:16 | Chutt> | yeah |
| 20:16 | Chutt> | i've got time tonight, might not tomorrow, so =) |
| 20:16 | rkulagow> | ok, shouldn't take long. same format for tarball names, etc? |
| 20:16 | Chutt> | yup |
| 20:16 | rkulagow> | ok. bbl. |
| 20:17 | Chutt> | cool |
| 20:17 | Chutt> | thanks =) |
| 20:17 | rkulagow> | any reason why the version number for the docs can't be v0.13.00? |
| 20:18 | Chutt> | nope |
| 20:18 | rkulagow> | ok |
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| 20:27 | Chutt> | rkulagow, would it be too much trouble to add a 'I tried to watch TV and all I get is a black screen?' question to the troubleshooting section? |
| 20:27 | rkulagow> | QT v3.1 is the new minimum, correct? |
| 20:27 | mikegrb> | heh |
| 20:27 | rkulagow> | chutt: sure. |
| 20:28 | Chutt> | with the answer being 'There is an error message in the output of mythfrontend or mythbackend that you need to read and fix.' |
| 20:28 | rkulagow> | did this come up in the lists? i'm 800 messages behind there. |
| 20:28 | Chutt> | or something |
| 20:28 | Chutt> | it comes up fairly often, but no one ever looks at the console output for error messages |
| 20:28 | Chutt> | and yeah, qt 3.1 is the minimum now |
| 20:28 | rkulagow> | ah the gruff-but-loveable chutt. :) i'll get something together. |
| 20:29 | Chutt> | cool, thanks |
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| 20:59 | rkulagow> | chutt: i think i've got the docs switched. in the future i'm going to start cutting cruft that doesn't apply, like redhat 8.0 install instructions, etc. |
| 21:00 | rkulagow> | i'll upload them now... |
| 21:00 | Chutt> | great |
| 21:01 | Chutt> | i'm going through all the different plugins and making sure i didn't fuck anything up last minute |
| 21:03 | billytwowilly> | you guys are going to release 0.13 before monday aren't you? |
| 21:03 | Chutt> | tonight |
| 21:04 | billytwowilly> | Heh. goodbye studying for finals, hello fiddling with my mythtv box;) |
| 21:05 | Chutt> | rkulagow needs to commit his docs changes, then i need to make a changelog for the website |
| 21:05 | Chutt> | and it's essentially done |
| 21:05 | billytwowilly> | cool. so that'd be what? an hour from now? |
| 21:05 | * | billytwowilly plans his studying around mythtv releases |
| 21:05 | billytwowilly> | ;) |
| 21:06 | Chutt> | i dunno |
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| 21:12 | rkulagow> | chutt: syncing docs. |
| 21:12 | asjkldfjk> | Does anyone have a suggestion on a tv card? |
| 21:13 | rkulagow> | PVR-250/M179/Freestyle/Yuan |
| 21:13 | DogBoy> | get one that works |
| 21:13 | asjkldfjk> | funny |
| 21:14 | ananke> | that m179, who makes that? |
| 21:15 | rkulagow> | avermedia |
| 21:15 | Chutt> | been replaced by the m150, though |
| 21:15 | Chutt> | which isn't yet supported in linux, but should not be difficult to get going in the driver |
| 21:15 | ananke> | i went to a local store today, looking for tuner cards, and i saw oen my avermedia. wonder which one it was |
| 21:16 | Chutt> | not the m179, as it's an oem only card |
| 21:16 | ananke> | that m179 - is that the mono or stereo card? |
| 21:17 | rkulagow> | the m179 is a mpeg-2 encoder card, not a bt8x8 card. |
| 21:17 | warlord> | the m179 is sort of like a pvr-250 |
| 21:19 | ananke> | i see |
| 21:20 | ananke> | so besides the obvious difference of the fact that the encoder card can encode in hardware, what's the difference to an average user? |
| 21:22 | Chutt> | uses absolutely no cpu to record |
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| 21:22 | ananke> | yeah, that's what i meant. however: both can perform things such as changing channels, etc? |
| 21:22 | Chutt> | of course |
| 21:22 | ananke> | ok, i wasn't sure :) |
| 21:24 | ananke> | and one last question: i was doing some research, and i saw that some cards are listed as mono/stereo, and some don't list the audio capabilities. does it mean that they can capture only video? if that's the case, is it possible to use a soundcard to add the audio tracks? |
| 21:24 | Netslayer> | for sure |
| 21:24 | Chutt> | everything's going to be at least mono. |
| 21:26 | rkulagow> | ananke: unless you go out and do something purposefully bad, then any consumer-level tv card is going to at least allow you to have sound. yes, there are pro-level capture cards (osprey comes to mind) that don't have any audio on them, but then again, they don't have tuners either. |
| 21:27 | thor_> | so, this would be about the time when I commit in something stupid ... |
| 21:27 | Netslayer> | what is that script called for accessing the backend status through port 6544? i'm interesting in the db fields it accesses |
| 21:28 | ananke> | great, thank you for the information |
| 21:28 | * | ananke is preparing to make the IR receiver right now |
| 21:28 | Netslayer> | i'm making an ir receiver and transmitter tomorrow, will be second one |
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| 21:29 | ananke> | i'm hoping i'll be able to use my main remote controller for that |
| 21:29 | Chutt> | thor, i've already tagged everything :p |
| 21:29 | ananke> | i mean for the transmitter |
| 21:30 | Netslayer> | o_cee, what's the name of that file you were working on for the web based backend status? |
| 21:30 | thor_> | darn |
| 21:30 | thor_> | Netslayer, no script, just point a browser at it |
| 21:31 | Netslayer> | nah i want to look at the code, i'm thinking about writing my own myth status for an LCD, and want to know which db fields it accesses for backend status |
| 21:32 | thor_> | ah |
| 21:32 | Chutt> | programs/mythbackend/mainserver.cpp, near the bottom. |
| 21:32 | Netslayer> | thank you |
| 21:34 | Netslayer> | perfect |
| 21:37 | Netslayer> | i noticed some EPG screens in the setup dealing with shutdown and waking, can it do anything cool with a slavebackend? |
| 21:38 | Netslayer> | by that I mean shutdown when it's done recording, and/or set it to power up to record |
| 21:40 | Chutt> | yup |
| 21:40 | rkulagow> | chutt: commiting a missing parens in a VERBOSE macro in mythcontext. ok? |
| 21:40 | Netslayer> | cool, have to look into that |
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| 21:41 | asjkldfjk> | Are there companies that sell pre-built PVR systems based on MythTV, or others? |
| 21:42 | Netslayer> | don't believe so ..yet |
| 21:42 | Netslayer> | people sell em on ebay though |
| 21:42 | thor_> | one in Italy, and some mom & pop on ebay |
| 21:42 | rkulagow> | if you want a pre-built PVR, you can run sage tv. |
| 21:42 | rkulagow> | they used to sell a hardware/software setup, but that's windows. |
| 21:44 | rkulagow> | i had someone ask if i would put together a box for them for parts + labor, but they sort of backed off once they saw the price. i think he ended up with a Windows Media Center box. |
| 21:44 | thor_> | hmm Qt 3.3 beta |
| 21:45 | Netslayer> | media center pc's are pretty pricey |
| 21:45 | Netslayer> | gosh, i can build a whole system for a couple hundred. |
| 21:46 | rkulagow> | well, he also wanted to program it, and felt that the media center SDK was better docs than what was available in the source code for mythtv. whatever. |
| 21:47 | warlord> | please dont upgrade Qt yet... |
| 21:47 | warlord> | 3.1 is "good enough" ;) |
| 21:47 | Chutt> | i dunno |
| 21:47 | Chutt> | what they're talking about for qt 4.0 is pretty damn sexy |
| 21:48 | Chutt> | i'll probably be switching over to that once it's out |
| 21:48 | warlord> | you run Debian/unstable, huh? |
| 21:48 | warlord> | (or Gentoo?) |
| 21:48 | Chutt> | debian |
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| 21:49 | Netslayer> | isn't gentoo based off of debian? |
| 21:50 | warlord> | Netslayer: uh, no |
| 21:50 | Chutt> | there's really nothing in 3.3 that's all that interesting, though |
| 21:50 | thor_> | was assuming bug fixes ... but haven't looked |
| 21:50 | warlord> | so no plans to desupport 3.1 anytime soon? |
| 21:51 | Chutt> | nope |
| 21:51 | warlord> | ok. |
| 21:51 | Chutt> | thor, http://www.trolltech.com/developer/changes/changes-3.3.0-b1.html |
| 21:52 | warlord> | I suppose I should pull down myth cvs now before you add the post-0.13 changes... |
| 21:52 | Chutt> | eh, it'll be a few days before i break anything |
| 21:52 | thor_> | ewwww ...... "managed extensions" |
| 21:52 | warlord> | Heh. that makes me feel so warm and fuzzy... |
| 21:52 | warlord> | :) |
| 21:53 | Chutt> | only thing that may break is when i start taking all the workarounds for qsocket's crappiness out =) |
| 21:53 | thor_> | see mfd ! |
| 21:53 | thor_> | hehe |
| 21:54 | Netslayer> | i had a qsockets problem today heh |
| 21:54 | rkulagow> | chutt: can i fix a missing parens in mythcontext VERBOSE message? |
| 21:55 | Chutt> | sure |
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| 21:55 | Chutt> | lemme know when you commit |
| 21:55 | rkulagow> | it's going now. |
| 21:56 | rkulagow> | done |
| 21:56 | Chutt> | thanks |
| 21:57 | * | warlord waits eagerly for chutt to tag 0.13.... |
| 21:57 | Chutt> | it's tagged |
| 21:57 | Chutt> | release-0-13 |
| 21:58 | thor_> | heh, you said it was already tagged !! |
| 21:58 | thor_> | I was going to get in a quick patch to randomize key bindings |
| 21:59 | Chutt> | i moved the tag :p |
| 22:00 | thor_> | crappity, crap crap |
| 22:00 | warlord> | randomize key bindings? |
| 22:00 | warlord> | ;) |
| 22:00 | Chutt> | thor's just trying to be evil |
| 22:00 | warlord> | Yea, i know.. |
| 22:03 | thor_> | I've never really understood the aversion to autoconf .... just all the bloat? |
| 22:03 | Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:03 | Chutt> | all the various incompatible versions |
| 22:03 | thor_> | ah |
| 22:03 | Chutt> | the 100k compressed it adds to a project |
| 22:03 | Chutt> | libtool |
| 22:04 | Chutt> | the amount of time it takes to generate makefiles |
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| 22:04 | Chutt> | the fact that there's like 3 people anywhere that understand m4 |
| 22:04 | warlord> | there are more than 3 people... |
| 22:04 | Chutt> | hmm, what else |
| 22:04 | * | warlord understands m4 |
| 22:04 | thor_> | and 2 of them won't talk to the 3rd one |
| 22:05 | warlord> | Heh |
| 22:05 | extremis> | I know this is a hated discussion, but I've put my mythtv in my closet until I can find a solution (its been there for about 6 months not being used), but has anyone created any unofficial patches for softcam support? |
| 22:05 | thor_> | "softcam" ? |
| 22:05 | warlord> | softcam? |
| 22:05 | extremis> | software cam for dvb cards |
| 22:06 | Netslayer> | huh |
| 22:06 | extremis> | for those of us in the US with a dishnet subscription |
| 22:06 | Netslayer> | dishnet? |
| 22:06 | Chutt> | no. |
| 22:06 | extremis> | Chutt: its the only thing keeping me from finishing my mythtv box |
| 22:06 | extremis> | I'm sad |
| 22:07 | thor_> | can't use IR/blaster against a dishnet decoder ? |
| 22:07 | thor_> | (perhaps he needs ..... a _WindexBlaster_) |
| 22:07 | extremis> | thor_: I built an ir/blaster for my dishnet reciever, but5 I also have a dvb card |
| 22:07 | Netslayer> | so what's the problem |
| 22:07 | thor_> | ah |
| 22:08 | extremis> | thor_: software decryption of my dvb signal on my dvb-s card |
| 22:08 | Netslayer> | heh in the US, ya right |
| 22:08 | extremis> | there were a few people claiming they were working on it, but they disapeared |
| 22:08 | extremis> | Netslayer: I can do it with vdr or in windows, mythtv just lacks it |
| 22:08 | Netslayer> | i would love directv piped directly in.. won't happen |
| 22:08 | Netslayer> | 'they disapeared' heh |
| 22:09 | thor_> | move to Europe ? |
| 22:09 | extremis> | Netslayer: stopped responding to email and stopped posting to the list |
| 22:09 | Netslayer> | = authorities |
| 22:09 | extremis> | thor_: nope, US... they likely figured it out but didn't want the liability of sharing |
| 22:09 | * | Netslayer nods |
| 22:09 | extremis> | well I pay for dishnet so I don't consider it illegal |
| 22:09 | thor_> | yeah |
| 22:09 | thor_> | silly industry |
| 22:10 | Netslayer> | well i pay for directv, still isn't legal (like i care) |
| 22:10 | extremis> | I even worked with dishnet to get cam support |
| 22:10 | extremis> | I told them I would be willing to test one out, but they said they don't want people to have the ability to use other recievers |
| 22:10 | Netslayer> | so it pipes a digital signal to your dvb card? |
| 22:10 | warlord> | they dont want people to use other receivers??? why not? |
| 22:10 | warlord> | dont they want to sell service? |
| 22:11 | extremis> | warlord: its open in EU |
| 22:11 | extremis> | everyone uses dvb |
| 22:11 | thor_> | they don't want people pulling pure digital mpeg |
| 22:11 | Netslayer> | ya |
| 22:11 | extremis> | thor_: copyright |
| 22:11 | warlord> | extremis: yes, I know.. |
| 22:11 | extremis> | anyways... softcam support is in vdr, I'm sure a port would be simple |
| 22:11 | Netslayer> | that would make life so much easier for capturing..just stream it to your hd |
| 22:11 | extremis> | I'm not a coder though |
| 22:12 | thor_> | start a pool |
| 22:12 | extremis> | I'll pay |
| 22:12 | Netslayer> | so u have a receiver that has an output for this? what's the output |
| 22:12 | thor_> | ask Dishnet users to contribute |
| 22:12 | extremis> | Netslayer: google |
| 22:13 | thor_> | pay somebody who can code with a free dish, decoder, and subscription |
| 22:13 | thor_> | then host the patch in Europe :-) |
| 22:13 | extremis> | thor_: I'll send you a dvb card if you get it working |
| 22:13 | Netslayer> | oh dish network |
| 22:13 | thor_> | my life is already too busy |
| 22:13 | extremis> | aye |
| 22:13 | Chutt> | hardware's worth less than the time it would take. |
| 22:14 | thor_> | well, throw in an HDTV as well |
| 22:14 | ananke> | hmm, i think i'm going crazy after looking at the diagram for the last 10 minutes: on my IR module i have: out, gnd, vcc. on the diagram there is data, +, -. how do they match up? [i think i'm starting to get confused, because of the pin numbers] |
| 22:14 | Netslayer> | are u telling me that in windows u can pipe a dish network signal to a dvb card? |
| 22:15 | extremis> | Netslayer: yes, and vdr in linux |
| 22:15 | Chutt> | if you use some illegal decryption software |
| 22:15 | Netslayer> | how would dish network go along with this? |
| 22:15 | extremis> | Chutt: screw legality, lets sstick to morality |
| 22:15 | kvandivo> | thor_, what is it with you and your windex blaster? are they blue, or what? |
| 22:15 | Netslayer> | i didn't know they have cracked that |
| 22:15 | rkulagow> | chutt: ready for the first bug? i just pulled up the program grid in schedule recording, hit "r" and the status on the program i chose doesn't change to "Recording" in the upper right hand corner. also, the letter-in-a-circle doesn't appear either. a program that i had previously setup to record (south park) does have the letter-in-a-circle. this in with the visor theme (if it matters), and i'll check in blue in just a second. ok, doe |
| 22:15 | Chutt> | extremis, you're not the one distributing software. |
| 22:15 | rkulagow> | 't show up in blue either. it's recording though, and hitting "i" on the program shows "record only this showing". |
| 22:16 | extremis> | Chutt: if you coded it, I would |
| 22:16 | Chutt> | rkulagow, was it for something currently playing? |
| 22:16 | rkulagow> | it's for something that is in the current timeslot, yes. |
| 22:16 | Chutt> | yeah, that's a known bug |
| 22:16 | Chutt> | david engel's fault =) |
| 22:16 | rkulagow> | (trying to use up my encoders so i can test the M179). |
| 22:16 | extremis> | any fedora + mythtv setup guides yet? |
| 22:16 | rkulagow> | ah, ok. |
| 22:17 | warlord> | extremis: I presume it's going to be pretty close to using rh9 |
| 22:17 | Netslayer> | so it won't show the icon if it's what in the 30 minute time slot it represents |
| 22:17 | thor_> | kvandivo, someone went on and on about commerical Spot Removal in here one day, and all I could picture was something plugged into a USB port that automatically cleaned your TV with Windex. Stupid, really. |
| 22:17 | Netslayer> | i hear fedora is terrible |
| 22:17 | warlord> | Netslayer: compared to what? |
| 22:17 | kvandivo> | ya, i remember, i was just giving you a hard time |
| 22:17 | thor_> | ah |
| 22:18 | Chutt> | it won't show the icon if it's a new single recording in the current timeslot. |
| 22:18 | Netslayer> | uh, just overhearing people talking about redhat and fedora |
| 22:18 | Netslayer> | current timeslot? |
| 22:18 | warlord> | Netslayer: my install of fedora (in vmware) went extremely smoothly |
| 22:18 | Netslayer> | u mean if u want to record something at 5:30 and it's 515 |
| 22:19 | Netslayer> | vmware, interesting |
| 22:20 | warlord> | Chutt: so what did Engel do, exactly? |
| 22:22 | Chutt> | made the program guide reflect the scheduler more accurately |
| 22:23 | jbeimler> | got my box working. took a lot of monkeying around with alsa controls to get the sound in muted, but still output at a decent level. and I had to install the nvidia driver. otherwise, a pretty easy go |
| 22:23 | warlord> | and the scheduler ignores currently-recording programs? |
| 22:23 | Chutt> | the one problem with that is that the scheduler doesn't have a currently recording single-shot recording in the scheduler |
| 22:23 | Chutt> | as scheduled to be recorded |
| 22:23 | Chutt> | so the icon doesn't show up in the epg |
| 22:23 | Chutt> | minor thing, really |
| 22:24 | warlord> | true.. not a showstopper. |
| 22:24 | Netslayer> | anyone here using 2.6 with myth? Should I use it for my master backend? ..thoughts |
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| 22:25 | Chutt> | heh |
| 22:25 | warlord> | Netslayer: run away! run away quickly! |
| 22:25 | Chutt> | 5 downloads of the 0.13 tarball while i cut and pasted in the release announcement |
| 22:25 | warlord> | hehe |
| 22:25 | * | Netslayer looks in awe |
| 22:25 | * | warlord is building the cvs code.. |
| 22:26 | * | dopez just downloaded 0.13 |
| 22:26 | * | Netslayer nabs the first port |
| 22:26 | Netslayer> | post |
| 22:26 | kvandivo> | so i've got a 'RankLine' that is essentially a slider.. It's got a label, a slider, and an lcd value. I'm wondering if there is a preference on where I define it. It's not a setting, in the 'This goes in the settings area of myth' sense, but the SliderSetting is defined in settings.h. On the other hand, this is a MythWidget that I'm going to be adding to various gui screens. So, I could see it going either place.. settings, becau |
| 22:27 | Chutt> | you got cut off |
| 22:27 | * | kvandivo mutters to himself. |
| 22:27 | Chutt> | at 'settings, becau' |
| 22:27 | kvandivo> | settings, because of similarity to slider, or mythwidgets. Any |
| 22:27 | kvandivo> | preference? If not, I'm going to put it in settings.h |
| 22:27 | Chutt> | mythwidgets, most likely |
| 22:27 | kvandivo> | ok.. mythwidgets it is, then. :) |
| 22:28 | Netslayer> | heh "please at least try to read the docs" |
| 22:29 | Chutt> | doesn't anyone want to write a new themes section for the website? |
| 22:29 | Netslayer> | as in themes or the actual section? |
| 22:30 | Chutt> | the section on the website. |
| 22:30 | Netslayer> | u deleted my comment, how cute heh, ah well |
| 22:31 | Chutt> | i did? |
| 22:31 | Netslayer> | what's wrong with the site? looks fine |
| 22:31 | Netslayer> | it's not there anymore |
| 22:31 | Netslayer> | will post again heh |
| 22:31 | Chutt> | the site is cached |
| 22:31 | Chutt> | it'll show up in 5 minutes or so |
| 22:31 | Netslayer> | auh k |
| 22:32 | Netslayer> | are u thinking about a theme section that shows off the themes a little more? |
| 22:32 | Chutt> | yup. |
| 22:33 | extremis> | so, you seem to be surviving the ./ |
| 22:33 | warlord> | well, builds cleanly... ;) |
| 22:33 | Netslayer> | ya were are the site stats heh |
| 22:34 | Chutt> | i sure better be surviving the slashdotting |
| 22:34 | Chutt> | paying enough for hosting :p |
| 22:34 | Netslayer> | so what benefits do u get out of a project like this? |
| 22:34 | Chutt> | something to do in my free time |
| 22:34 | Netslayer> | the admiration of people like us |
| 22:34 | Chutt> | countless hours of aggravation |
| 22:34 | Netslayer> | heh |
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| 22:35 | Chutt> | today was about 2x the normal bandwidth |
| 22:35 | Chutt> | 3x the visitors |
| 22:35 | Chutt> | so most people just saw the front page |
| 22:35 | warlord> | Netslayer: he gets the same benefits as I get from working on Gnucash... |
| 22:35 | cmorgan> | heh |
| 22:37 | Chutt> | maybe 7k referrers from /. today |
| 22:37 | thor_> | hmm |
| 22:37 | warlord> | not too bad. |
| 22:37 | thor_> | thought it would be more |
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| 22:37 | Chutt> | wait, more than that |
| 22:37 | Chutt> | i can't add |
| 22:37 | Chutt> | 12k |
| 22:37 | Netslayer> | wow |
| 22:38 | warlord> | not bad |
| 22:38 | extremis> | Chutt: so you normally get 4k a day? |
| 22:38 | thor_> | still, imagine if everyone RTFA (RTFWS?) |
| 22:38 | Chutt> | 6k |
| 22:38 | Chutt> | there abouts |
| 22:38 | Chutt> | 6k visitors, 30k page views |
| 22:38 | thor_> | ah |
| 22:38 | thor_> | right |
| 22:38 | Netslayer> | how much bandwidth per month? |
| 22:39 | Chutt> | just 40GB or so |
| 22:39 | Netslayer> | huh |
| 22:39 | Netslayer> | that's more than a GB a day heh |
| 22:40 | warlord> | is it enough? |
| 22:40 | billytwowilly> | heh, I regularly use more bandwidth than the entire mythtv project;) sweet;) |
| 22:40 | mikegrb> | Chutt: gallery the php stuff works out of the box as a nuke module apearantly |
| 22:40 | mikegrb> | that could be used for the themes section of the site |
| 22:40 | Chutt> | 'course, that doesn't count the mailing lists or cvs |
| 22:40 | Chutt> | mikegrb, i'd want something a little more suited for it |
| 22:40 | mikegrb> | right |
| 22:40 | warlord> | Ahh, ok. |
| 22:40 | thor_> | that last bullet point doesn't seem to quite parse correctly |
| 22:40 | Chutt> | like, all i'd have to do would be to give it a set of properly named images |
| 22:40 | mikegrb> | I thought that was interesting, was hacking the code up for my personal site this weekend |
| 22:40 | billytwowilly> | anyone have screenshots of mythbrowser handy? |
| 22:41 | mikegrb> | hmm |
| 22:41 | Chutt> | it'd generate a page with some descriptions based on the image names present |
| 22:41 | mikegrb> | Chutt: when I've got more time I'll talk to you a bit more about it here |
| 22:41 | Chutt> | allow for versioning |
| 22:41 | mikegrb> | Chutt: I'll give it a go |
| 22:41 | Chutt> | and comments |
| 22:41 | Chutt> | sweet |
| 22:41 | mikegrb> | ;) |
| 22:41 | mikegrb> | I need to help more |
| 22:41 | mikegrb> | I use mythtv enough :) |
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| 22:44 | thor_> | ... list _of_ complete linux distributions ... (I guess, but that's the same final bullet as below, so "I've added ..." well) |
| 22:47 | kvandivo> | I hear that a new version is out!!! What hardware should I buy for it? Is it stable? Can I pay someone to install it for me? Why _do_ I get this blank screen? |
| 22:47 | mechou> | hehe... |
| 22:47 | mechou> | howcome I get delay in sound? :) |
| 22:48 | thor_> | cross posting !!! cross posting !! |
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| 22:50 | mikegrb> | kvandivo: I'll install it for <dr evil>one millionn dollars</dr evil> |
| 22:50 | mechou> | heck, I'd do it for half that :) |
| 22:50 | thor_> | ah, nothing like the spontaneous emergence of a market |
| 22:51 | fulbert__ | is now known as fulbert |
| 22:51 | mechou> | no guarantee provided on xmltv though :) |
| 22:51 | Chutt> | thor, fixed my bad grammar |
| 22:51 | thor_> | thx |
| 22:51 | thor_> | (like I've ever had a cvs commit without a spelling error in it) |
| 22:51 | Chutt> | yeah, whatever :p |
| 22:52 | josephk> | you are the weakest speller. good bye. |
| 22:52 | Chutt> | i lost my 6th grade spelling bee by misspelling grammar |
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| 22:52 | josephk> | sounds traumatic |
| 22:52 | Chutt> | very much so |
| 22:53 | josephk> | traumatic ...t...r...a...u...m...a...t...i...c |
| 22:53 | thor_> | that is hilarious |
| 22:53 | mechou> | probably got dopeslapped by you English teacher, huh? |
| 22:53 | mechou> | your |
| 22:54 | josephk> | probably pimp slapped |
| 22:54 | mechou> | ehats the diff? |
| 22:54 | mechou> | whats |
| 22:54 | mechou> | :) |
| 22:55 | josephk> | one hurts da bitch and teaches her a lesson |
| 22:55 | josephk> | lol |
| 22:56 | josephk> | pimps don't mess |
| 22:56 | josephk> | mofos gots to learns tha hard lessins |
| 22:57 | josephk> | like reedin, ritin, and arifmotic |
| 22:57 | mechou> | I thought its biatches that's supposed to do that.... |
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| 22:58 | toothpick> | Can someone point me in a direction for this? Error getting inputs for the capturecard. Perhaps you have |
| 22:58 | toothpick> | forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs |
| 22:58 | Chutt> | 4th section of the setup program |
| 22:58 | toothpick> | ok Chutt...going to mythtv.org now |
| 22:58 | Chutt> | err? |
| 22:59 | toothpick> | I meant to read about what the 4th section is. |
| 22:59 | josephk> | its the setup program > Step 4 |
| 23:00 | toothpick> | oic now |
| 23:00 | toothpick> | QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket |
| 23:00 | toothpick> | Failed to bind port: 6543 |
| 23:00 | extremis> | is knoppmyth any good? |
| 23:00 | toothpick> | new error now |
| 23:00 | Chutt> | extremis, lotta people seem to like it |
| 23:01 | mechou> | toothpick: start mythbackend |
| 23:01 | Chutt> | toothpick, you're trying to run more than one mythbackend |
| 23:01 | toothpick> | ok |
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| 23:01 | toothpick> | YES!!!!! |
| 23:01 | toothpick> | It's working! Thanks |
| 23:01 | toothpick> | that is mythfrontend! |
| 23:01 | toothpick> | neat |
| 23:02 | toothpick> | on my cheap ati tv wonder ve |
| 23:03 | kvandivo> | well, give the man a small rounded piece of wood that he can use to clean the bits of food from between his incisors. |
| 23:03 | fulbert> | I moved master backends to a new machine, dumped and imported my database, but now I get "Couldn't find backend for: :" when viewing recorded programs ? |
| 23:04 | toothpick> | now I have to see how to change the channel |
| 23:04 | Chutt> | need to change the hostname in the database for the recordings |
| 23:04 | jbeimler> | toothpick: up and down buttons |
| 23:05 | fulbert> | as in pull out the sql guide ? |
| 23:05 | toothpick> | ok thanks |
| 23:06 | toothpick> | I'm only getting the spanish news |
| 23:06 | toothpick> | this is strange |
| 23:07 | jbeimler> | that is odd, locally the spanish channel gets left out of the listings. |
| 23:07 | jbeimler> | guessing its a zaptv thing |
| 23:08 | toothpick> | jbeimle..yes I see now didn't update the database |
| 23:08 | toothpick> | mythfill...in anycase now I hit f1 and the contrast is so dark I can't see anything |
| 23:08 | toothpick> | gotta figure these controls ...to reset |
| 23:08 | Netslayer> | it's all in the keys file |
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| 23:13 | toothpick> | that mythfill takes a long time |
| 23:13 | fulbert> | it's extra slow tonight. |
| 23:14 | Netslayer> | toothpick, mine takes an hr, i have 500 or so channels..really should remove ones i don't watch then it would be done in 60 seconds |
| 23:15 | jbeimler> | Netslayer: whats the easy way to remove the channels? or just poke in the database? |
| 23:15 | Netslayer> | u can use phpMyAdmin to 'poke |
| 23:15 | Netslayer> | other then that i'm not sure if there is an official channel editor |
| 23:16 | Netslayer> | mythweb has some stuff now under settings |
| 23:16 | Netslayer> | but i'm not sure if that's for removing |
| 23:17 | toothpick> | wow |
| 23:17 | fulbert> | you can edit them in your mythusers homedir, ~/.mythtv/source.xmltv file |
| 23:17 | Netslayer> | there should be an editor heh |
| 23:17 | Netslayer> | so just comment them out? |
| 23:17 | Netslayer> | well that's easy..they will just dissappear as data runs out? |
| 23:18 | fulbert> | yeah, that way xmltv will skip looking at them. |
| 23:18 | Chutt> | you'll have to remove them from the database as well. |
| 23:18 | fulbert> | ah, if they get there, yeah, I edit before I fill |
| 23:18 | billytwowilly> | fulbert: You're running multiple frontends and backends right? |
| 23:18 | fulbert> | yeah |
| 23:18 | Netslayer> | i have 482 channels, and i watch 3 of them |
| 23:18 | billytwowilly> | mind if I ask you a rather long question (long for me typing, probably short for you answering)? |
| 23:18 | jbeimler> | can I add others that don't make it from the xmltv source? or is that a lot of wrk? |
| 23:18 | Netslayer> | and waste tons of bandwidth updating them each night heh |
| 23:18 | toothpick> | the only thing I need to do is get the sound working right. |
| 23:19 | * | Netslayer wants his sound to work right also..stupid alsa |
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| 23:19 | toothpick> | like when I pause video stops but sound keeps going. |
| 23:19 | Netslayer> | u sure ur not listening to the incoming live feed? |
| 23:20 | Chutt> | toothpick, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html |
| 23:20 | mikegrb> | toothpick: have you read the docs? |
| 23:20 | Chutt> | jbeimler, it's easy, they just won't have any program data |
| 23:20 | mikegrb> | toothpick: it describes that exactly |
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| 23:21 | toothpick> | chutt thanks got it |
| 23:22 | kvandivo> | http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/~kvandivo/mythtv/pics/rankDelete.png current look of my rank slider |
| 23:23 | toothpick> | That was easy... |
| 23:23 | toothpick> | now everything is working...my monitor is old though so causing a bit of interference... |
| 23:23 | toothpick> | This is really great work guys. |
| 23:25 | Netslayer> | what is the rank in delete for |
| 23:25 | Netslayer> | kvandivo |
| 23:25 | kvandivo> | so that you can rank the show |
| 23:25 | Netslayer> | what does that do exactly? |
| 23:25 | kvandivo> | exactly? |
| 23:25 | toothpick> | I am searching for the key bindings so I can find out what i have done...I put composite on instead of tv now. |
| 23:25 | Netslayer> | for fixing conflicts |
| 23:25 | thor_> | kvandivo, cool ... you want to do a setBackgroundOrigin(ParentOrigin) |
| 23:26 | kvandivo> | ahh.. thanks a million.. that's just the type of comments i was hoping for. |
| 23:26 | Netslayer> | heh |
| 23:26 | Netslayer> | i think it's cool, just never used rank before |
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| 23:27 | kvandivo> | right now it is label->setBackgroundOrigin(QWidget::WindowOrigin); |
| 23:28 | Chutt> | kvandivo, you _have_ to install the corefonts package and turn on aa in in qtconfig |
| 23:28 | Chutt> | now |
| 23:28 | * | kvandivo looks around. |
| 23:28 | thor_> | you have _crappy_ fonts |
| 23:28 | thor_> | (myth should not look like that) :-) |
| 23:28 | mikegrb> | heh |
| 23:28 | kvandivo> | ok.. ok... I'm on the case |
| 23:28 | * | mikegrb looks |
| 23:28 | kvandivo> | :) |
| 23:28 | Chutt> | corefonts.sf.net |
| 23:28 | Netslayer> | oh wow, thought that was compression |
| 23:29 | Netslayer> | artifacts |
| 23:29 | billytwowilly> | is there a place to add things to a wishlist for the next release? |
| 23:29 | mikegrb> | heh |
| 23:29 | * | Netslayer u wishing for a wish list? |
| 23:29 | mikegrb> | billytwowilly: mail a patch to the dev list |
| 23:29 | Netslayer> | err |
| 23:30 | Chutt> | there is no wishlist |
| 23:30 | * | Netslayer needs two new names for his master server and remote family myth box |
| 23:30 | Netslayer> | something cool, nerdy and has nux in it |
| 23:31 | mikegrb> | + |
| 23:31 | billytwowilly> | ok. I was just wondering how hard it would be to setup myth so that paired frontend/backends leave each other alone unless there is a recording conflict, then they query the other frontend/backend pair to see if there is recording space there. |
| 23:31 | thor_> | I think you want slider->setBackgroundOrigin(WindowOrigin) |
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| 23:31 | Netslayer> | u mean work like they do now but have each slave backend try to work off of it's tuner first |
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| 23:32 | Netslayer> | i'm kinda wondering that too. the thought of me using my remotes tuner and the remote using my tuner over 54g scares me |
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| 23:33 | billytwowilly> | Netslayer: Kind of.. I'll eventually have one backend machine that also has a frontend on it, one remote frontend machine (probably xbox) and my current computer operating as another backend. I would always want the xbox to use my maching and for the frontend on my current backend to always use the local backend. |
| 23:33 | rkulagow> | chutt: ok, another weirdness. got the two M179s operational. had two programs recording to use the two PVR-250s. masterbackend:6544 shows 4 encoders. went live, used the third encoder. scheduled something so that i could test the 4th encoder. third program doesn't show up in "watch recordings". this is on the console: Wed Dec 10 21:31:39 2003: wanted to record: |
| 23:33 | rkulagow> | Trista and Ryan's Wedding 1007 Wed Dec 10 20:00:00 2003 |
| 23:33 | rkulagow> | But current state is: 4 |
| 23:33 | rkulagow> | currently: Law & Order 1005 Wed Dec 10 21:00:00 2003 Wed Dec 10 22:00:00 2003 |
| 23:33 | billytwowilly> | but I'd still like them to be able to set recordings and share recordings with each other. |
| 23:33 | rkulagow> | i'm going to check again though just to make sure it wasn't a thinko on my part. |
| 23:34 | * | Lenolium is building today's CVS and hoping his problems magically go away. |
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| 23:35 | Netslayer> | billytwowilly, ya like i described.. it works like that now.. just it does a roundrobin (from what the how tos show) from the first available tuner on the master, then it goes to the next slave backend |
| 23:35 | rkulagow> | (just to note, there are two backends, one with 2xPVR-250, one with 2xM179) |
| 23:35 | mechou> | ok, am I missing s/t basic? mythdvd module doesn't want to compile.... |
| 23:35 | rkulagow> | ok, 6544 shows encoders 1 and 2 are busy, 3 and 4 (M179's on new backend are free) |
| 23:35 | toothpick> | Time to see if my tv out on my video card is always on. |
| 23:36 | billytwowilly> | Netslayer: hmm. I thought it would just use the first available backend, so the remote frontend could be using the main backend, then the frontend on the main backend tries to watch tv and it has to stream over the network from the other backend? |
| 23:36 | Netslayer> | it is usually |
| 23:36 | toothpick> | When I use tv time I can fine tune withi the arrows...what finetunes with myth? |
| 23:37 | * | Ripp is away: zZz |
| 23:37 | Netslayer> | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc21.12 |
| 23:37 | Netslayer> | billytwowilly: that's worth a look |
| 23:37 | Netslayer> | i haven't setup my network yet so.. not sure.. that's what it says |
| 23:37 | * | Netslayer will be here lots tomorrow |
| 23:38 | mechou> | anybody else having trouble getting mythdvd to compile? |
| 23:38 | thor_> | mechou, myth first, then modules (?) |
| 23:38 | Netslayer> | toothpick, u mean tuner? |
| 23:38 | Netslayer> | toothpick, i believe mythweb can now handle that under settings |
| 23:38 | mechou> | thor_: mythtv is compiled and installed |
| 23:38 | toothpick> | Netslayer...I want to put my tvout...from my graphics card to my actual tv |
| 23:38 | thor_> | ok .. what's the mythDVD error ? |
| 23:38 | toothpick> | with an svideo cable. |
| 23:38 | Netslayer> | toothpick, ya i have it the same way |
| 23:39 | toothpick> | I need to change my modules.conf file now though cause channels are off by one. |
| 23:39 | mechou> | thor_: so is mythvideo |
| 23:39 | toothpick> | and figure out the fine tuning...then I should be set. |
| 23:39 | Netslayer> | i think mythDVD needs a config file to test if players and stuff is installed |
| 23:40 | Netslayer> | i still haven't figured out how to get a dvd to play in nux..mainly due to alsa again |
| 23:40 | kvandivo> | changing the WindowOrigin to ParentOrigin fixed the backgrounds on the slider and the lcd.. The label still seems to not be quite right.. http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/~kvandivo/mythtv/pics/rankDelete2.png but, it is better than before |
| 23:41 | rkulagow> | ok, weird. tuners 1 and 2 are recording, tuner 3 is watching live tv and trying to record a program that should go to tuner 4 is still generating that "current state is: 4" error message. |
| 23:41 | toothpick> | after changeing modules.conf do I need to reboot? |
| 23:41 | thor_> | kvandivo, you need to get at the QLabel "inside" your slider object and change it as well |
| 23:41 | Netslayer> | toothpick, probably..not sure |
| 23:42 | toothpick> | ok |
| 23:43 | Netslayer> | i seem to recal some way of having myth show the favorite channels on the scheduler.. isn't that possible? |
| 23:44 | Netslayer> | aka only those favorite channels |
| 23:44 | kvandivo> | i set the origin on the hbox to parent, and on the label and slider that went inside the hbox.... actually, looks like the lcdnumber one didn't have the origin being set at all.. |
| 23:44 | toothpick> | ok going to reboot |
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| 23:45 | kvandivo> | but, i can dig around a bit on it.. at any rate, I'm planning to add that basic rank line to 'i', advanced 'i', etc |
| 23:46 | Netslayer> | rank is used for auto conflict resolution right |
| 23:47 | kvandivo> | no. rank will be used for automatic recommendation determinations |
| 23:47 | Netslayer> | i'm confused |
| 23:47 | kvandivo> | you rate your shows, myth finds other shows you might like, yada yada yada |
| 23:48 | Netslayer> | how can it compare shows? |
| 23:48 | jbeimler> | as a group of myth users, or through other searches/ |
| 23:48 | jbeimler> | ? |
| 23:48 | kvandivo> | both, eventually |
| 23:49 | mikegrb> | Chutt: you still about and have a moment to talk about the themes stuff? |
| 23:49 | jbeimler> | appears that I sit at about 35% load with a single recording |
| 23:49 | Netslayer> | mpeg4...what res |
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| 23:50 | Netslayer> | i'm trying to think if i want to setup software RAID5 or RAID0 for my file/myth server |
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| 23:52 | Toothpick> | Do you know how to enable my tvout on my nvidia geforce 5200 fx? |
| 23:52 | Netslayer> | do u have the NV drivers installed |
| 23:53 | Netslayer> | +driver |
| 23:53 | Netslayer> | +official |
| 23:53 | Toothpick> | Netslayer: yes |
| 23:53 | Toothpick> | official |
| 23:53 | Netslayer> | edit your XF86Config file.. there is info in the nvidia docs |
| 23:53 | Toothpick> | ok |
| 23:53 | Netslayer> | TVFORMAT NTSC .. stuff like that |
| 23:54 | jbeimler> | pretty easy actually. |
| 23:54 | Toothpick> | ok thanks |
| 23:54 | jbeimler> | but for some reason, bzflag won't run with the official nvidia driver for my old TNT2 |
| 23:55 | Toothpick> | OT et ran well with my machine last night for a test run |
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| 23:57 | jbeimler> | gonna try it on the new dual head card in the office tommorow, see how it does. anyhow, have to be there in not too many hours. |
| 23:58 | Toothpick> | did you run nvtv Netslayer |
| 23:58 | Netslayer> | nope, tried it.. never worked for my cards encoder.. so i went with NV's driver |
| 23:59 | Netslayer> | actually i might go back two versions, the overscan worked better..doesn't seem to work in the new one |
| 23:59 | Toothpick> | searching for docs now |
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