| --- | Log | opened Thu Dec 11 00:00:40 2003 |
| 00:01 | Netslayer> | is there anyway of testing alsa before installing mythtv? |
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| 00:10 | Netslayer> | a 266mhz PII isn't strong enough to be a very simple frontend is it? mpeg4 playback |
| 00:10 | * | Netslayer remembers trying to play divx on it without success |
| 00:13 | billytwowilly> | what does a broken rectangle around a scheduled recording mean? |
| 00:13 | billytwowilly> | in green? |
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| 00:15 | Netslayer> | hmm a normal broken outline means it's not being recorded for a reason |
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| 00:16 | billytwowilly> | and a tiny broken line outline? |
| 00:16 | Netslayer> | oh sweet..didn't see that (Rerun) was added to the guide heh |
| 00:16 | toothpick> | When I boot my computer up...the tv out works...all the way until I start x |
| 00:16 | Netslayer> | not sure |
| 00:16 | Netslayer> | toothpick, what resolution are u trying to put your tv out to |
| 00:16 | billytwowilly> | Is there documentation anywhere? I didn't see anything in the official documentation. |
| 00:17 | Netslayer> | i had that problem also.. i think i'm running mine at 800x600. and u have to match the frequencies |
| 00:17 | toothpick> | ok |
| 00:17 | Netslayer> | billytwowilly, there's official feature documentation? |
| 00:17 | toothpick> | brb |
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| 00:18 | Netslayer> | how can i stop a recording in mythweb? |
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| 00:34 | Chutt> | mikegrb, still around? |
| 00:35 | mikegrb> | as far as I know |
| 00:35 | mikegrb> | :) |
| 00:35 | mikegrb> | had a few ideas to run by you |
| 00:35 | Chutt> | ok |
| 00:35 | mikegrb> | first, having a preset list of screens to have a screen shot for each theme, and a seperate list for each osd |
| 00:36 | Chutt> | sure |
| 00:36 | mikegrb> | you upload properly named files such as blue.mainmenu.png and also have a meta data file |
| 00:36 | mikegrb> | two options here though |
| 00:36 | mikegrb> | all files in one dir with one themes.meta or a subdir for each theme with theme.meta in it |
| 00:36 | Chutt> | would prefer a subdir for each theme |
| 00:37 | Chutt> | easier to maintain for me |
| 00:37 | mikegrb> | this meta data would include theme name, author name, author email/url, description |
| 00:37 | mikegrb> | okay |
| 00:37 | mikegrb> | that is the way I was leaning |
| 00:37 | mikegrb> | so to add a new theme you simply create the new dir |
| 00:37 | mikegrb> | it would have mainmenu.png, playback.png, theme.meta, etc |
| 00:38 | mikegrb> | comments for each theme would be stored in database |
| 00:38 | mikegrb> | using dirname as a themeid |
| 00:38 | Chutt> | sounds good to me |
| 00:38 | mikegrb> | accessing theme page would give list of themes with thumbnail of each theme and name under it |
| 00:38 | mikegrb> | clicking thumbnail or name would bring you to page for that theme |
| 00:39 | mikegrb> | showing thumbnails for each of the images |
| 00:39 | mikegrb> | this list of images would be predefined though |
| 00:39 | mikegrb> | so they would have a caption under each describing what it is |
| 00:39 | Chutt> | right |
| 00:39 | mikegrb> | sound good? |
| 00:39 | Chutt> | sounds great |
| 00:39 | Chutt> | just what i wanted =) |
| 00:39 | mikegrb> | comments would be displayed on the page for each theme |
| 00:39 | mikegrb> | okay :) |
| 00:40 | thor_> | subdir for versions ? |
| 00:40 | mikegrb> | I'll install the nuke used for the site this weekend |
| 00:40 | mikegrb> | oh versions heh |
| 00:40 | mikegrb> | hmm |
| 00:40 | mikegrb> | yes I suppose |
| 00:40 | Chutt> | well |
| 00:40 | Chutt> | i just need a place for the version |
| 00:40 | mikegrb> | could be /theme/0.13/themeid/files |
| 00:40 | Chutt> | and it'd be neat to do a *new* tag or whatnot like phpnuke does elsewhere for new stuff |
| 00:40 | thor_> | you want Visor for 0.12 or Visor for 0.13 ? |
| 00:40 | Chutt> | don't really need to store multiple versions of each theme |
| 00:40 | thor_> | ok |
| 00:41 | Chutt> | not using the latest, too bad =) |
| 00:41 | mikegrb> | heh okay |
| 00:41 | thor_> | too *%*# bad ! |
| 00:41 | mikegrb> | I will look at the phpnuke stuff tonight |
| 00:41 | mikegrb> | see if I can't make it work as a module |
| 00:41 | mikegrb> | I haven't used it before |
| 00:41 | Chutt> | it doesn't have to integrate too much |
| 00:41 | Chutt> | just look similar =) |
| 00:41 | mikegrb> | just look the same heh |
| 00:41 | mikegrb> | :) |
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| 00:42 | mikegrb> | that is like my site then heh |
| 00:42 | mikegrb> | thegrebs.com |
| 00:42 | mikegrb> | it doesn't all necessary intigrate into the cms but it all looks the same |
| 00:42 | mikegrb> | s/necessary/necessarily/ |
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| 00:43 | mikegrb> | my wife wants to help with it :) |
| 00:43 | mikegrb> | she wants to learn to program |
| 00:43 | Chutt> | heh |
| 00:43 | mikegrb> | she has done some small python stuff |
| 00:43 | mikegrb> | she is a good geeks wife |
| 00:44 | mikegrb> | asked to have linux on her laptop |
| 00:44 | Chutt> | fun |
| 00:44 | mikegrb> | can actually acomplish stuff in an xterm.... and best of all... she irc's! |
| 00:44 | mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:44 | mikegrb> | kvandivo can vouch for that heh, he is part of our circle of people we talk to on irc |
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| 00:45 | mechou> | hey Chutt, what tuner do you personally *use*, pvr350? |
| 00:45 | TOothpick> | FOr my last question of the nighit...how do I do fine tuning while watching? |
| 00:46 | Chutt> | yup |
| 00:46 | TOothpick> | I've accomplished enough tonight...to at least see a bit clearer |
| 00:46 | Chutt> | and a pvr-250 and a wintv-radio |
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| 00:46 | mechou> | Chutt: for pvr350, do you use the 350 output or video card output? |
| 00:47 | Chutt> | pvr-350 output |
| 00:47 | Chutt> | why else have one? :p |
| 00:47 | mikegrb> | heh |
| 00:48 | mikegrb> | Chutt: if you are around saturday night, perhaps I will have something to show you by then, else I aim to have it done sunday afternoon |
| 00:48 | TOothpick> | Is there a key that fine tunes? |
| 00:48 | Chutt> | i'll probably be around |
| 00:48 | Chutt> | toothpick, no |
| 00:48 | mechou> | Chutt: so the output video quality, is it pretty good, comparable or better than vid card output? |
| 00:48 | TOothpick> | oh ok... |
| 00:48 | Chutt> | finetune with xawtv, then use those settings in mythtv |
| 00:48 | Chutt> | mechou, there's really no comparison |
| 00:48 | TOothpick> | ok...how do I transer the settings chutt? |
| 00:49 | Chutt> | use mythweb |
| 00:49 | mechou> | Chutt: mean pvr350 output is far more superior? |
| 00:49 | Chutt> | yup |
| 00:49 | mechou> | hmm.... |
| 00:51 | TOothpick> | xawtv only shows blue screen on my computer...no tv |
| 00:51 | TOothpick> | tvtime works though. |
| 00:51 | TOothpick> | and now mythtv |
| 00:51 | Netslayer> | would be nice if the 350 could do hardware mpeg4 |
| 00:52 | extremis> | do dvb-t cards work with digital cable? |
| 00:52 | Netslayer> | im' surprised they can't make a generic hardware chip that can be flashed with whichever codec you want.. or at least support more then one |
| 00:52 | extremis> | I'm tempted to just sell my dvb-s card |
| 00:54 | TOothpick> | I can't get over how professional this program is. |
| 00:54 | TOothpick> | goodnight all... |
| 00:54 | TOothpick> | I might buy another computer just to put on top of my real tv. |
| 00:55 | TOothpick> | Thanks for your patience with me btw. |
| 00:57 | mechou> | Chutt, hypothetically, can you have better motion compenstion with pvr350? (i.e. sports programs, etc.)? |
| 00:58 | mechou> | well I really mean do you.... |
| 00:58 | Chutt> | i don't watch sports |
| 00:58 | Chutt> | wrong person to ask |
| 00:59 | mechou> | ok... |
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| 01:02 | linagee> | argh. that's the worst possible thing you could expect to happen. go to a myth box because you think it's recorded something and it was locked up. :( |
| 01:02 | linagee> | Nooooooooo. :( now i'll never see that episode of The OC!!! :( |
| 01:03 | Chutt> | don't worry, you can catch your soap operas in repeats |
| 01:03 | Chutt> | :p |
| 01:03 | linagee> | Chutt: it's not a soap opera. :-P it's a "teen drama" :-P |
| 01:04 | Chutt> | it's a soap opera |
| 01:04 | linagee> | Chutt: Ryan and I will move off to some place and live together forever!!!! :) |
| 01:05 | linagee> | Chutt: just because he's 25 and plays a character that's 18ish doesn't mean a thing! |
| 01:06 | linagee> | oh wait. he was actually born in texas. he would never go for "that sort of thing". ROFL |
| 01:08 | Chutt> | poptix, fix your mail archives |
| 01:10 | linagee> | Chutt: http://bc.images.trb.com/media/photo/2003-12/10468422.jpg |
| 01:10 | linagee> | Chutt: ryan is the one on the right. |
| 01:11 | * | linagee photoshops the pic and takes out the gurl. |
| 01:11 | Chutt> | uh huh. |
| 01:11 | linagee> | Chutt: ryan' friend's dad is gay |
| 01:12 | linagee> | Chutt: it's not my hardware's fault that mythtv locked up! it's mythtv! (j/k) |
| 01:12 | linagee> | ;) |
| 01:12 | linagee> | actually |
| 01:12 | * | linagee checks the logs |
| 01:13 | Netslayer> | dang i want my myth box working.. there is a police pursuit on now and i want to see the crash..and rewind it heh |
| 01:14 | linagee> | Netslayer: like 10 times over and over. LOL |
| 01:14 | linagee> | Chutt: mythtv was not made for that sort of abuse. ROFL |
| 01:15 | linagee> | woohoo. my mythtv box might have recorded enterprise. (this must have been when it crashed) |
| 01:16 | linagee> | Chutt: Is this a known problem? recording the show Enterprise crashes mythtv? LOL |
| 01:16 | Chutt> | err, no |
| 01:16 | Netslayer> | sweet and he recovers from a pit manuever on 4 rims! |
| 01:16 | Netslayer> | only in LA! |
| 01:16 | Netslayer> | on the freeway! |
| 01:16 | linagee> | Netslayer: is this a real thing or a TV show? LOL |
| 01:16 | Netslayer> | it's on the news right now ktla |
| 01:17 | Netslayer> | and i'm actually recording it.. no sound though heh |
| 01:17 | Netslayer> | oh sparks are flying |
| 01:17 | linagee> | Netslayer: yikes |
| 01:17 | Netslayer> | he's on fire!! |
| 01:18 | * | Netslayer and we wait..while the crazy maniac still drives |
| 01:19 | Netslayer> | auh he gave up |
| 01:20 | linagee> | oh, that's fun. argh. Enterprise was a re-run |
| 01:20 | Netslayer> | now this is reality tv |
| 01:20 | linagee> | Netslayer: how can i find it? trying to use googlenews, but not sure of the keywords to use |
| 01:21 | Netslayer> | police pursuits? |
| 01:21 | Netslayer> | they happen every day here heh.. not sure if they publish anything |
| 01:21 | linagee> | this is in LA you say? |
| 01:21 | Netslayer> | ya |
| 01:22 | linagee> | Netslayer: what channel are you watching |
| 01:22 | Netslayer> | ktla..they are handcuffing the guy now |
| 01:23 | Netslayer> | and back to the regularly scheduled programming heh after 30mins of reality tv |
| 01:24 | linagee> | Netslayer: they interrupt TV like that over there? they hardly ever do that here unless it's some sort of national emergency |
| 01:25 | Netslayer> | heh.. they happen so often i'm surprised they don't allocate timeslots for em |
| 01:25 | Netslayer> | nah i'd say one a day seriously |
| 01:25 | Netslayer> | but usually they aren't around news time, so in this case it was live |
| 01:26 | Netslayer> | auh news is on..boring |
| 01:26 | * | Netslayer changes channel |
| 01:28 | linagee> | Netslayer: which accident was this? i see 7 traffic accidents that happened at 10pm in LA. ROFL. |
| 01:28 | linagee> | 7 traffic accidents in one hour. and it's probably a light traffic day. LOL |
| 01:28 | Netslayer> | pursuit |
| 01:29 | linagee> | Netslayer: freeway number? |
| 01:29 | Netslayer> | um they got the guy in buena park i think |
| 01:29 | linagee> | 405? 210? |
| 01:29 | Netslayer> | hmm wasn't paying attention |
| 01:29 | Netslayer> | prob 210, couldn't be 405 |
| 01:30 | linagee> | Netslayer: they happen that often in LA, huh? LOL |
| 01:30 | Netslayer> | ya.. it's even more interesting when u are on the freeway and they fly by |
| 01:30 | linagee> | Netslayer: there's only about 1 major traffic accident per day in the news in san diego. not 7 in one hour. LOL |
| 01:30 | Netslayer> | heh |
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| 01:31 | Netslayer> | i don't mind i have classes later in the morning so all this screwed up traffic is almost sain by the time i'm ready to goto class |
| 01:31 | Netslayer> | mind u there was a pile up infront of me yesterday, the cops flew by and fixed everything in 10min i was impressed..then i was 10min late for my final heh |
| 01:31 | linagee> | Netslayer: they sweep up the streets from the flying intestine and gray brain matter? |
| 01:32 | Netslayer> | only glass.. all that just wears in |
| 01:32 | linagee> | SICK |
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| 01:32 | Netslayer> | don't u guys have choppers covering stuff like this too? |
| 01:32 | linagee> | yes. of course |
| 01:32 | linagee> | it's just that it doesn't happen 40 times in one day or something. LOL |
| 01:33 | linagee> | of course LA is a much larger area. |
| 01:33 | harrih> | Hi, how do use filters ? If I want to try out denoise3d, what do I enter into the playback filters part in setup ? I tried just denoise3d, but frontend crashed when I tried to watch a file |
| 01:33 | Netslayer> | ya |
| 01:33 | Chutt> | harrih, don't bother, really |
| 01:33 | harrih> | right'o, thanks |
| 01:34 | Chutt> | there's a reason why there's no friendlier options for those filters =) |
| 01:34 | mechou> | Chutt, does alsa native support (in settings.pro) offer any advantages at all? |
| 01:34 | harrih> | new version is excellent so far, I love the individual setting per recording (post roll etc.) |
| 01:34 | Chutt> | not really |
| 01:35 | Chutt> | it uses alsa natively, and might be a bit less stable |
| 01:35 | Chutt> | that's 'bout it |
| 01:35 | mechou> | heh, thenI'll just avoid it then :) |
| 01:36 | linagee> | Chutt: LOL. being less stable is a cool feature. if you like crashing programs. |
| 01:37 | harrih> | I noticed one thing though, in the guide, when you have setup a recording let's say at 10:00pm and it is 9:00, the guide displays correctly the recording option (box around the program etc.), but when myth is actually recording the program and you go to the guide, the recording box has disappeared and guide says not recording, problem in my end after the upgrade, or is this on purpose, or a bug ? |
| 01:37 | Chutt> | minor display bug |
| 01:37 | harrih> | k |
| 01:37 | phar0e> | hey Chutt, who should I report a mythweb bug to? Chris Peterson? |
| 01:37 | Chutt> | just email the lists |
| 01:38 | term> | hm is gentoo updated.. |
| 01:38 | Chutt> | doubt it |
| 01:38 | term> | oh. the release's been out 3 hours. |
| 01:39 | term> | didn't catch htat. |
| 01:39 | term> | er that |
| 01:39 | Chutt> | and when i said 'lists' i meant 'one of the lists' |
| 01:39 | Chutt> | not both =) |
| 01:43 | term> | nope, no new mythtv in gentoo yet. |
| 01:44 | Chutt> | i would have been very surprised |
| 01:44 | term> | I think that's what happened, you surprised them :) |
| 01:44 | Chutt> | bah, i said mid-next week last week on the mailing lists |
| 01:44 | Chutt> | no surprises here |
| 01:44 | term> | ah. |
| 01:44 | term> | maybe just the propagation delay then |
| 01:44 | Chutt> | it generally takes a day or two |
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| 03:06 | Ku-less> | mini-konq. wacky :) |
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| 03:59 | Ku-less> | Nifty..segfault.. |
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| 04:15 | tmk> | heh /. |
| 04:15 | Ku-less> | Well, I'm getting a segfault but I can't seem to get debugging symbols compiled in using emerge. :/ |
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| 04:23 | Peit|Home> | Ku-less: move /usr/bin/strip to something like /usr/bin/strip.back and re-compile, the no_strip FEATURES option is broken |
| 04:23 | Peit|Home> | you'll also need to edit settitngs.pro and use ebuild rather than emerge |
| 04:28 | Ku-less> | Peit\|home: I see. |
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| 04:56 | Ku-less> | Peit|Home: Yea, that did it. Thanks a lot. |
| 04:57 | Ku-less> | Yippie, found it. |
| 04:59 | Ku-less> | Apparently, you really shouldn't stop watching tv at the same time the OSD is still "on". |
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| 05:01 | sfr> | how do you exit live tv? hitting ESC will first close the OSD. only on 2nd press will it exit live tv. |
| 05:06 | Ku-less> | Right. |
| 05:06 | Ku-less> | And that's when it seg faults. |
| 05:07 | * | Ku-less is still trying to verify if he's on the mythtv-dev list so he can post the backtrace.. |
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| 05:17 | Ku-less> | Well, there we go. |
| 05:30 | o_cee> | as i said in my email |
| 05:30 | o_cee> | read the docs on how to generete a backtrace |
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| 06:22 | Ku-laid> | Btw, why is the Browse mode OSD only about 1.5 lines large? The wrapped around second line ends up being draw on the bottom part of the osd frame. |
| 06:23 | Ku-laid> | Also, at least since 0.12 the skip ahead box has been too small. Something like "286 seconds" is partially written past the end of the box. |
| 06:25 | Ku-laid> | Hmm..this all is in the default osd. The blue osd doesn't seem to have the wrap around issue. I'm not sure about the overdrawn jump time, though. |
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| 06:25 | Kuwanger> | The blue osd uses a nice box, so there's no problems with it. |
| 06:31 | jeffpc> | I have CVS a couple of days old, but I just noticed a bug: |
| 06:31 | jeffpc> | http://shells.gnugeneration.com/~jeffpc/images/mythtv_bug.jpg |
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| 06:32 | jeffpc> | the dates are screwed up when you go there in the middle of the update cycle |
| 06:32 | jeffpc> | s/cycle/process/ |
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| 09:21 | jeffpc> | pvr-350 is a bttv board? |
| 09:25 | jbeimler> | jeffpc: nope, its its own thing. |
| 09:25 | jeffpc> | that's what I thought |
| 09:25 | jeffpc> | what's the driver? |
| 09:26 | Rule> | ivtv |
| 09:26 | jeffpc> | ok... |
| 09:26 | jeffpc> | thanks |
| 09:26 | Rule> | np |
| 09:26 | Rule> | ivtv.sf.net |
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| 09:44 | sailor420> | can anyone tell me what the video quality on something like a wintv 401 is? |
| 09:47 | Rule> | I only have a pvr350, sorry |
| 09:51 | sailor420> | thanks... im wondering what its quality vs a hardware encoder is... this box is going to go onto a pretty large tv, and an hdtv at that, and Im worried about what kind of quality itll have |
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| 09:55 | Berto> | does thac ever hang out in here? I installed his mandrake rpms but have a question |
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| 10:02 | Rule> | sailor420 : oh, ok.. is it a hdtv card ? |
| 10:03 | kvandivo> | thor_: you around? we were just chatting elsewhere.. mfd going to eventually get rid of mysql.txt? if so, the frontend could be packaged as-is for a working frontend.... |
| 10:04 | sailor420> | no, its not, im just wondering how it will look on such a large tv... im worried about artifacts and such that you probably wouldnt see on a smaller tv |
| 10:04 | kvandivo> | no user modification required to point to the backend machine.... |
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| 10:09 | Berto> | ooh how new is 0.13? |
| 10:10 | jbeimler> | I'm getting prebuffer pauses :( |
| 10:15 | ananke> | whoopie, a new version |
| 10:16 | Berto> | yeah, mythtv is now supported in linux! |
| 10:17 | ananke> | imagine the possibilities |
| 10:19 | ananke> | are the IR controls different for each section? here's my odd problem: my up/down/left/right remote keys work in say the news section, but not on the main menu. are there different keys that need to be assigned to the main menu? |
| 10:23 | Berto> | what is qmake? it isn't listed in any of the installation requirements |
| 10:23 | warlord-afk> | qmake is a Qt helper-app |
| 10:23 | warlord-afk | is now known as warlord |
| 10:24 | Berto> | ahh yeah.. i thought i had qt installed |
| 10:24 | Berto> | i bet its in libqt3-devel for me |
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| 10:25 | warlord> | Could be. It's in qt-devel on RH9 |
| 10:26 | o_cee> | all these questions never stops amazing me. |
| 10:26 | ananke> | o_cee : my question? :) |
| 10:28 | o_cee> | everyones.. |
| 10:28 | o_cee> | heh |
| 10:28 | ananke> | i'm just baffled how the IR keys work in one place, and not in the other. |
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| 10:29 | o_cee> | i'm amazed how you managed to get to the mythnews without beeing able to navigate the main menu. |
| 10:30 | ananke> | keyboard |
| 10:30 | o_cee> | allright. got no clue how lirc works |
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| 10:32 | ananke> | i figured the following: if up/down/left/right keys [from the keyboard] work to navigate the main menu and any other subsequent parts, then the key combos are the same. now why would they work from the IR remote on a subsection, yet not the main menu. see why i'm baffled? :) |
| 10:33 | ananke> | yeah, i didn't know how lirc works until last night :) |
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| 10:56 | thor_> | kvandivo, conceivably for the host, but username and password would be slightly more complicated |
| 10:59 | kvandivo> | hmmmmm.. good point |
| 11:00 | thor_> | still possible ... you could have a tiny little plugin that does nothing but serve username and passwords, and will only respond to requests on the local lan |
| 11:00 | kvandivo> | interesting... very interesting... |
| 11:01 | kvandivo> | taking the livecd concept to a whole new level... |
| 11:01 | thor_> | yup |
| 11:01 | thor_> | zeroconfig is ridiculously useful |
| 11:02 | o_cee> | does anyone know if it'd be possible to make a web-remote for the backend via the http status page? |
| 11:03 | warlord> | o_cee: what do you mean? |
| 11:03 | o_cee> | thor_: the lcd stuff, does it need to grab stuff form the status page? could make fixes for that in that case.. easy with css, the layout is real easy |
| 11:03 | o_cee> | warlord: like a remote with buttons.. on a html page |
| 11:03 | o_cee> | to change channel etc |
| 11:04 | warlord> | o_cee: Uh, and which frontend would that affect? |
| 11:04 | o_cee> | backend of course |
| 11:04 | thor_> | the lcd_stuff is kind of sprinkled all over the place |
| 11:04 | o_cee> | thor_: haven't looked at it at all, just saw some confused comments yesterday abut it |
| 11:05 | o_cee> | having a math exam next week, wich i _know_ i won't make. should i even bother trying? hmm |
| 11:05 | thor_> | as it is now, it's about what the _frontend_ is doing (you can naviagte menus without turning on your tv) |
| 11:05 | o_cee> | okay. |
| 11:06 | fathom> | okay this Tk perl module, do you HAVE to have that for xmltv to work? |
| 11:06 | o_cee> | got an old 2*40 hd 4470 lying here |
| 11:06 | o_cee> | don't even know if it'd be worth hooking up |
| 11:06 | warlord> | o_cee: channel changing is a frontend function, not a backend function. |
| 11:06 | warlord> | o_cee: if you want backend control, look at mythweb |
| 11:06 | fathom> | because i can't get the stupid thing to compile |
| 11:06 | o_cee> | warlord: and where are the cards lokated? in the backend, exactly. |
| 11:07 | warlord> | o_cee: yes, but channel changing comes from the front end connection. |
| 11:07 | o_cee> | yeees, and i wanted an alternative method of doing it. |
| 11:07 | warlord> | but which encoder would it change? |
| 11:07 | o_cee> | the one you choose of course |
| 11:07 | warlord> | and how do you know which frontend is using which encoder? |
| 11:07 | o_cee> | who gives |
| 11:07 | warlord> | well, the person watching tv "gives". |
| 11:08 | o_cee> | too bad, if i want to change the channel, i'll do that |
| 11:08 | o_cee> | it's not like i'll change _your_ tuners |
| 11:08 | warlord> | I'm glad you dont live with me! |
| 11:08 | o_cee> | hEh :) |
| 11:08 | o_cee> | of course i need a reason for changing the channels, but that's not the point |
| 11:09 | warlord> | then what is the point? |
| 11:09 | o_cee> | thor_: with the new mfs headless frontend stuffie muchei, should we do a frontend status page as well? with what music's playing and so on? could be neat |
| 11:09 | o_cee> | warlord: if it's doable |
| 11:09 | warlord> | anything is DOABLE -- it's a simple matter of programming -- that's not the point. |
| 11:10 | thor_> | o_cee, yup ... mfd web plugin ... already started thinking about it .... but no code yet |
| 11:11 | thor_> | (but since the thing already has am http server built in, should not be much work to get the framework in place) |
| 11:16 | Octane> | sup guys |
| 11:16 | thor_> | heh |
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| 11:22 | jbeimler> | ok, I've got mythtv semi working on a slow PC, I've hdparm'ed the disk, and I'm still getting skips. aside from a new motherboard, anyone have suggestions? |
| 11:22 | thor_> | hw mpeg |
| 11:23 | warlord> | faster cpu? |
| 11:25 | jbeimler> | yeah, both good ideas, but not for today. :( |
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| 11:26 | ananke> | jbeimler : well, what are your specs? |
| 11:26 | jbeimler> | its a sucky amd k6-2 400 |
| 11:26 | warlord> | jbeimler: yea, no way are you going to get real-time s/w decode on that. |
| 11:27 | warlord> | (let alone live-tv) |
| 11:27 | jbeimler> | everything but watching TV works |
| 11:27 | warlord> | yea, you dont have enough cpu to handle that. |
| 11:27 | ananke> | yeah, it's almost impossible to expect that from this box |
| 11:27 | jbeimler> | ok. thats too bad. its pretty otherwise. |
| 11:27 | jbeimler> | gonna call up my hardware source, see if I can get a loaner m/b |
| 11:27 | warlord> | what tv card do you have? |
| 11:28 | ananke> | i have an athlon 900, and using mythtv for an mp3/image player. i'll not attempt the encoding part until i get a faster box |
| 11:29 | jbeimler> | pinnacle tvpro |
| 11:29 | warlord> | jbeimler: if you got a pvr-250 with hw encode you'd save a lot of CPU and probably get livetv working. |
| 11:29 | jbeimler> | I have a real backend server set up at home, trying to do a demo for the LUG tonight. |
| 11:30 | jbeimler> | warlord: not sure I could find one in town.. |
| 11:30 | warlord> | jbeimler: I dont know where you are, but I know Microcenter, Fry's, and a bunch of other places carry them. |
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| 11:31 | jbeimler> | warlord: RTP, NC. no frys or microcenter. :( checking the big mart stores now |
| 11:31 | warlord> | jbeimler: No CompUSA? Best Buy? |
| 11:31 | * | warlord doesn't know what big stores exist in RTP area.. |
| 11:31 | warlord> | I've only been there once. |
| 11:32 | jbeimler> | best buy and compusa. not sure if they have them though |
| 11:32 | warlord> | i know they did carry them at some point.. |
| 11:33 | jbeimler> | circuit city has them. time for a lunch run. |
| 11:34 | jbeimler> | will it be hard to swap the pinnacle for the pvr-250? |
| 11:34 | warlord> | nope. |
| 11:35 | warlord> | you just need to build the ivtv driver, which is straightforward, and then reconfigure myth. |
| 11:35 | jbeimler> | cool. I've wanted one of the pvr's anyhow |
| 11:36 | warlord> | I'd get the -350 if one is available.. |
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| 11:36 | warlord> | the tv-out is excellent -- although not quite ready for prime-time, yet. |
| 11:38 | jbeimler> | will see if they have one, its probably going to be a buy @ return anyhow :( |
| 11:39 | jbeimler> | buy and return that is. |
| 11:39 | warlord> | right. |
| 11:39 | warlord> | if you do plan to do that, I would suggest building the ivtv driver now, if you've got the time. |
| 11:40 | warlord> | I'd pull axboe's 021125A and then apply anduin's patch (sent to ivtv-devel a couple days ago) |
| 11:42 | hardwired> | what about just usingall business use, it todays cvs of ivtv? |
| 11:43 | warlord> | hardwired: i dont understand the question? |
| 11:43 | warlord> | i wouldn't use "ivtv cvs" |
| 11:43 | warlord> | it's out of date; you definitely want axboe's patches. |
| 11:44 | warlord> | (and anduin's patch on top of that, IMHO) |
| 11:44 | jbeimler> | warlord: where should I grab it @? |
| 11:45 | warlord> | link off ivtv hp |
| 11:45 | jbeimler> | agh, spelled it wrong |
| 11:46 | hardwired> | warlord: you understood all right :) the question was whether the cvs or axboe+andiun is more recent/better working |
| 11:46 | warlord> | hardwired: ahh, that was not at all clear. ivtv cvs is basically from Oct 31st. You really want axboe's code. |
| 11:47 | hardwired> | warlord: cool, thx a lot |
| 11:49 | jbeimler> | warlord: which patches do I want? Sorry to be such a pest, moving fast now |
| 11:49 | hardwired> | though i do not understand why cvs is out of date. aren't they developping with it? don't they want to include those patches, since they seem to work well? |
| 11:50 | hardwired> | ah well, nevermind |
| 11:50 | jbeimler> | here I;m guessing? http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/axboe/ivtv/ |
| 11:54 | warlord> | jbeimler: that looks right. |
| 11:54 | warlord> | hardwired: no clue. ask tmk |
| 11:57 | jbeimler> | just get the latest there? |
| 11:58 | hardwired> | jbeimler: that doesn't look right if you want to use 0.13 |
| 11:58 | warlord> | jbeimler: yes. |
| 11:58 | warlord> | hardwired: you are confused. |
| 11:58 | warlord> | just dont get the -0.12 version. |
| 11:58 | hardwired> | probably. i just saw that. |
| 11:59 | hardwired> | i'll shut up now :) |
| 11:59 | warlord> | jbeimler: those are basically all the same version of the driver. Assuming you're using myth 0.13, you want the main tarball in that directory. |
| 12:00 | jbeimler> | myth 0.12 acutally.. |
| 12:00 | warlord> | jbeimler: if you're using myth 0.12 then you need the -0.12 version of the driver. |
| 12:00 | warlord> | you should also apply the patch in http://www.poptix.net/ivtv/current/msg00212.html |
| 12:02 | jbeimler> | warlord: thanks. you rock |
| 12:03 | warlord> | :) |
| 12:05 | * | hardwired recompiles as well :) |
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| 12:09 | jbeimler> | argh, it doesn't build on my fedora box :( |
| 12:09 | jbeimler> | looks like I'm missing the v4l headers :( |
| 12:10 | warlord> | from drivers... |
| 12:10 | warlord> | ln -s ../utils/videodev2.h |
| 12:10 | warlord> | then 'make' |
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| 12:13 | jbeimler> | warlord: tried ln -s ../utils/videodev2.h videodev2.h, still fails. |
| 12:14 | jbeimler> | perhaps its time to actually rtfm |
| 12:14 | warlord> | what's the build failure? |
| 12:14 | warlord> | actually, this should move to #ivtv-dev |
| 12:14 | sfr> | Error: Missing RTFM probably :) |
| 12:15 | warlord> | sfr: probably |
| 12:15 | jbeimler> | warlord: no, its pebekac. didn't read far enough ahead |
| 12:16 | warlord> | pebekac? |
| 12:17 | jbeimler> | problem exists between keyboard and chair |
| 12:17 | jbeimler> | no e in there, typing fast today |
| 12:17 | warlord> | ahh, so another pebkac, eh? |
| 12:18 | jbeimler> | :) |
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| 12:24 | jbeimler> | built and installed. now to waste^Wspend more money on PVR.. |
| 12:26 | warlord> | Be sure to have some time to test it before the demo. |
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| 12:28 | jbeimler> | warlord: demo isn't for another 7 hours. |
| 12:29 | warlord> | oh, well... plenty of time! ;) |
| 12:29 | jbeimler> | hopeing to get mythgame to work too, never have had luck w/ it |
| 12:29 | jbeimler> | bzflag on the big screen :) |
| 12:29 | warlord> | i've never built mythgame |
| 12:30 | jbeimler> | I did the prebuilt install for the demo system, not sure whats wrong with it, gotta see if there are some debug options |
| 12:30 | Rule> | I've built all modules to test them, main menu is now 2 full screens :P |
| 12:31 | warlord> | YOW |
| 12:31 | warlord> | I only have weather and music.. |
| 12:35 | jbeimler> | yeah, I installed everything, leaving out the DVD player since the demo box doesn't have one, but otherwise, everything else works |
| 12:35 | jbeimler> | I really like the weather on our main system, great to be able to just take a quick gander on the tv |
| 12:35 | warlord> | I've got a real DVD player so no need to use Myth for that. |
| 12:35 | warlord> | Yea, mythweather is cool. |
| 12:35 | warlord> | The only thing I wish it did was radar loops. |
| 12:36 | warlord> | but I haven't looked into that. |
| 12:36 | Rule> | I like the rip function |
| 12:36 | Rule> | for DVD that is |
| 12:37 | warlord> | I see no need for that? Why RIP a DVD? A dvd is a perfectly acceptable storage medium. |
| 12:37 | Rule> | I have too many :) |
| 12:37 | Rule> | and I like to watch lower bitrates via the LAN |
| 12:38 | warlord> | ahh, ok, if you are transcoding down to smaller sizes then sure... |
| 12:38 | warlord> | it's not what I'd do -- I want a DVD for the quality. |
| 12:38 | Rule> | sure |
| 12:38 | Rule> | but I like to watch stuff on a whim from a remote computer :) |
| 12:38 | Rule> | it also plays DVD of course |
| 12:39 | DogBoy> | warlord, chuck all your dvds and wait for the film to come around to your local theatre |
| 12:39 | Rule> | and I only have 1 DVD player, so myth is the 2nnd for the 2nd tv |
| 12:39 | Rule> | I'm now going to test MythBrowser :) |
| 12:43 | warlord> | DogBoy: I do that, too (see in the theater) -- however DVD quality video is on the order of 4GB/hr -- disk space isn't THAT cheap, yet. |
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| 12:43 | DogBoy> | just pulling your leg warlord |
| 12:44 | DogBoy> | "<warlord> I see no need for that? Why RIP a DVD?" |
| 12:44 | warlord> | DogBoy: well, going to the theater IS a reasonable request.. a 5.1 system isn't quite a THX theater. (but THX is REALLY COOL on my 5.1 system ;) |
| 12:44 | DogBoy> | <warlord> I see no need for that? Why RIP a DVD? |
| 12:44 | DogBoy> | obviously, not everybody is warlord |
| 12:44 | DogBoy> | :-) |
| 12:45 | warlord> | god I hope not. One of me is enough. |
| 12:45 | warlord> | (even if my previous employer wishes they could have had multiple copies of me) |
| 12:45 | Rule> | hihi |
| 12:49 | Rule> | darn now I wish I had waited and bought the epia m2 :) |
| 12:50 | sfr> | hm, mythbackend doesn't seem to like it's logfile being rotated by logrotate |
| 12:51 | warlord> | sfr: no, it doesn't -- it will continue writing to the old file until the backend is restarted. |
| 12:52 | sfr> | but the old one is being gzipped here |
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| 12:58 | sfr> | logrotate is amazing: copytruncate |
| 13:00 | warlord> | copytruncate??? |
| 13:01 | sfr> | with copy and copytruncate it should be possible to leave the original logfile in place, but truncate it to 0 bytes after copying it |
| 13:02 | warlord> | ooooh... Now to figure out how to use that. |
| 13:04 | warlord> | Hmm, looks like I just replace my 'create 0644 root root' with 'copytruncate' |
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| 13:05 | * | sfr wonders if copy and rotate can be used together. time will tell |
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| 13:10 | Berto> | if mythfrontend says it can't find libmyth-0.13.so.0, but it's in my /usr/local/lib, what file do i need to fix? |
| 13:10 | hardwired> | 6 out of 9 hunks FAILED |
| 13:10 | hardwired> | hrmpf |
| 13:11 | warlord> | hardwired: what are you trying to patch |
| 13:11 | warlord> | ? |
| 13:11 | sfr> | Berto: add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig |
| 13:11 | Berto> | sfr: yeah i was looking at that... isn't /usr/local/lib an implied default? my ld.so.conf file only has a couple of things! |
| 13:12 | hardwired> | warlord: patching http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/axboe/ivtv/ivtv-031125A.tar.bz2 with the patch from http://www.poptix.net/ivtv/current/msg00212.html |
| 13:12 | sfr> | Berto: not in debian |
| 13:12 | Berto> | sfr: mandrake, but it worked.. now i have to worry about sql stuff later |
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| 13:13 | warlord> | hardwired: someone has a completely patched tarball available -- mail was just sent to ivtv-devel about 20 minutes ago. |
| 13:14 | Berto> | ahh i have to SETUP mysql too?! oh god this project just tripled in time :) |
| 13:14 | warlord> | check the archives. |
| 13:15 | skammah> | can anyone tell me what mythtv checks to see if the tuner is "busy?" My myth installation thinks that it is recording something. |
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| 13:20 | warlord> | hardwired: try http://www.smalltime.com/bob/ivtv-cvs-latest+1125A+M179+close_stream.tar.bz2 |
| 13:21 | hardwired> | warlord: will that be for 0.13 or 0.12? |
| 13:23 | warlord> | oh, probably 0.13 |
| 13:24 | warlord> | but you should upgrade to 0.13 anyways ;) |
| 13:24 | hardwired> | i intend to |
| 13:25 | jbeimler> | back with my new pvr-250. now for the moment of truth |
| 13:26 | hardwired> | that tarball seems like just what i need |
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| 13:34 | thor_> | bah |
| 13:34 | thor_> | friggin default buffer size |
| 13:36 | warlord> | thor_: _which_ default buffer size? |
| 13:36 | thor_> | Qt socket device |
| 13:36 | warlord> | Ah |
| 13:36 | thor_> | boy did that take a long time to figure out |
| 13:36 | thor_> | that's what I get for not checking return values |
| 13:37 | jbeimler> | argh. insmod ivtv doesn't work. no hardware found.. |
| 13:39 | jbeimler> | whups I'm not RTFMing again. I need some sort oof binaries too |
| 13:39 | hardwired> | when i use ivtv, will mplayer be used for playing video? i did activate pvr350 option and set the device to /dev/video16 |
| 13:39 | hardwired> | yet i still get slow video that looks like mplayer -vo x11 output |
| 13:40 | hardwired> | hrm, yes. mplayer is used for playing. is that correct? |
| 13:40 | sfr> | used for what? |
| 13:40 | hardwired> | for playing a video or dvd |
| 13:41 | sfr> | if you tell mythvideo to do so |
| 13:41 | sfr> | or mythdvd |
| 13:41 | hardwired> | and how do i tell it to not do so? i.e. to directly output to /dev/video16 ? |
| 13:42 | sfr> | afaik you _have_ to use an external player. |
| 13:43 | hardwired> | i think i never tested whether output to /dev/video16 works. i should try that first |
| 13:43 | warlord> | hardwired: myth will only play mpeg2 tv recordings out the pvr-350 properly. |
| 13:43 | hardwired> | warlord: which means i have to transcode first? |
| 13:44 | hculver> | hardwired, I haven't delved into it yet, but there is some talk of an "-vo ivtv" module for mplayer and also some talk of successful use of "-vo mpegpes". I could just be spreading idle gossip tho. |
| 13:45 | hardwired> | hculver: someone mentioned that on the mailinglist, yes. |
| 13:45 | warlord> | hculver: yea, such a patch went out the mailing lists, but it would only work with mpeg2 videos. |
| 13:45 | warlord> | hardwired: is your file in mpeg2 format? Or something else? |
| 13:45 | hardwired> | but my question: how would i play a dvd or movie with myth and my pvr right now? |
| 13:45 | hardwired> | warlord: i just took a random one. it is RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI |
| 13:45 | warlord> | hardwired: patch mplayer and then it will play the dvd |
| 13:46 | warlord> | hardwired: for that, you dont |
| 13:46 | warlord> | RIFF/AVI wont get out through the pvr at this point. |
| 13:46 | hardwired> | warlord: ok. for now i am happy with playing dvds. patch mplayer with what patch? |
| 13:47 | warlord> | RTFML |
| 13:49 | hardwired> | ok, thx |
| 13:51 | jbeimler> | argh. pvr-250 is stumping me. locks up myth :( |
| 13:52 | warlord> | jbeimler: does the pvr work on its own? cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg works? |
| 13:54 | jbeimler> | not sure, ab out to try that. I'm also watching my daugter today, and she's obsessed w/ the power buttons |
| 13:54 | jbeimler> | I was hoping for the magical everything works first try :( |
| 13:54 | warlord> | Heh.. |
| 13:55 | warlord> | "First learn stand, then learn fly, Daniel-son" |
| 13:55 | hardwired> | lol |
| 13:55 | hardwired> | "belt only good for keeping pants up" |
| 13:55 | warlord> | canvas.. jc-penny, 2.97. you like? |
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| 14:02 | jbeimler> | yeah the cat works. |
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| 14:02 | Snow-Man> | God damn, how many fucking mythtv users are there out there? :) |
| 14:02 | jbeimler> | no sound, but that may be the set up so far |
| 14:03 | Snow-Man> | Oh, and by-the-by, was the website ever down during the /. |
| 14:04 | Chutt> | 'course not |
| 14:04 | Snow-Man> | Ok, good. :) |
| 14:04 | jbeimler> | fixed the security then ;) |
| 14:04 | Chutt> | erm, that has absolutely nothing to do with it. |
| 14:04 | * | Snow-Man restarts the queues on colo. |
| 14:05 | jbeimler> | nope, but I did notice the site got hacked a bit back |
| 14:05 | Snow-Man> | I should probably just do that nightly or something. |
| 14:05 | Snow-Man> | jbeimler: Blame the shittiness of phpnuke. |
| 14:05 | jbeimler> | I do |
| 14:06 | jbeimler> | ok, I get video but no channels. not doing well on my setup. |
| 14:06 | jbeimler> | time to blow away the config and start again |
| 14:08 | skammah> | can anyone tell me what the lock file for the encoder is? |
| 14:08 | Chutt> | there isn't one. |
| 14:09 | warlord> | jbeimler: make sure you're using the ivtv msp3400 driver and not your original one. |
| 14:09 | skammah> | my system seems to think that i am recording, but I am not. |
| 14:10 | thor_> | define "seems to think" |
| 14:10 | jbeimler> | warlord: how (in a sentence or less) ? :) |
| 14:10 | warlord> | jbeimler: find /lib/modules -name msp3400.o -print |
| 14:11 | jbeimler> | .../kernel/driver/media/video/msp3400.o |
| 14:11 | * | sfr wonders why several projects _have_ to provide their own msp3400 module instead of just extending the in-kernel one |
| 14:12 | warlord> | is that the only one? make sure that's the one from ivtv |
| 14:12 | jbeimler> | yup, its dated today |
| 14:13 | warlord> | ok; next thing is to make sure you've got it configured properly.. modules.conf and all.. |
| 14:13 | warlord> | and your input.. |
| 14:13 | warlord> | if your tuner isn't working then you might want to try that, too |
| 14:14 | jbeimler> | I've got input, and even sound. just no channel changing. |
| 14:14 | warlord> | jbeimler: ok, have you tried the ptune.pl? You need some extra perl modules from the ivtv sf site |
| 14:15 | extremis> | so, alot of people seem to be having lockup issues with the haupauge + via kt400 chipset |
| 14:15 | extremis> | is this something that wil l be overcome with the ivtv driver eventually? |
| 14:15 | extremis> | I always thought it was gentoo lockin gup my box |
| 14:15 | jbeimler> | warlord: not yet, installing it now |
| 14:16 | warlord> | ok |
| 14:17 | skammah> | when I try to use the "watch tv" option, the system reports "MythTV is already using all available inputs for recording. . . " I am not recording anything. |
| 14:18 | hardwired> | hmpf. so i now made an ebuild for the latest mplayer, patched it and it is compiling. what much else will need to be done before i can watch lotr 1 and 2 :) |
| 14:18 | sfr> | skammah: maybe there is no input available/configured for myth to use? |
| 14:18 | warlord> | skammah: what does http on port 6544 of your backend say? |
| 14:19 | skammah> | Encoder: 1 is remote (currently not connected) and is not recording. |
| 14:19 | thor_> | run setup (properly) |
| 14:19 | warlord> | yea, re-run setup |
| 14:22 | o_cee> | skammah: then you're not using .13 right? |
| 14:22 | skammah> | no, .12 still. |
| 14:22 | kvandivo> | that's so yesterday |
| 14:22 | o_cee> | (because that's not what the backend page says nowdays) |
| 14:23 | skammah> | I just reran (and have run several times) setup and it is still doing it. |
| 14:23 | o_cee> | you need to setup stuff as well |
| 14:23 | skammah> | um, yeah. I got that. |
| 14:23 | o_cee> | Chutt: think i should do stuff for the setup program as well? for gant? haven't looked at that at all |
| 14:24 | o_cee> | bleh, people don't use it that often, they can see blue there |
| 14:25 | thor_> | skammah, if http on port 6544 says you have only one remote encoder, and the location of encoders is configured by using setup, does it sound like you ran setup properly? |
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| 14:26 | skammah> | I understand where you are coming from. I realize that is sounds like I didn't run setup correctly. However, I have run setup. I had to reconfigure my input, because it was forgotten. However, my system is still showing the same result. |
| 14:27 | o_cee> | ages ago i run setup, but it should say you've got a local encoder |
| 14:27 | warlord> | skammah: did you restart the backend? |
| 14:28 | o_cee> | *drums* |
| 14:28 | sfr> | skammah: you did go through all screens in setup? if you don't your changes will not be saved in the database |
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| 14:28 | thor_> | fogotten = not stored = did not push the finish button = not run properly |
| 14:31 | thor_> | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html |
| 14:31 | o_cee> | thor_: wth is that? |
| 14:31 | o_cee> | docs? hmmm, what does that mean? |
| 14:32 | thor_> | heh |
| 14:32 | warlord> | heh |
| 14:33 | sfr> | heh! |
| 14:33 | hardwired> | nite |
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| 14:33 | skammah> | the system was working correctly yesterday. We had a storm and the machine shutdown. I brought the machine backup and fixed some DB problems. I tried to use myth and it started having these problems. I ran setup (correctly) and re-setup everything. However, I am still having the same problem. |
| 14:34 | warlord> | does your tv card work on its own (w/o myth)? |
| 14:34 | thor_> | hmmm ... checked database ? |
| 14:35 | jbeimler> | may have figured out the problem, I was watching tv and trying to record w/ the same card |
| 14:36 | skammah> | yes, TV card is still working with tvtime et al. |
| 14:37 | warlord> | skammah: then it sounds like a database configuration issue, or a backend configuration issue. |
| 14:37 | skammah> | I have walked all the way thru setup again. All my settings are still there, and correct. Still the same problem. |
| 14:37 | skammah> | backend server is running. |
| 14:38 | Chutt> | error messages on the console when you start mythbackend. |
| 14:40 | skammah> | none. I was having some problems because my ip had changed, but I set my myth system to a static IP and put that in /etc/hosts. |
| 14:40 | mikegrb> | and are you logging mythbackends output? |
| 14:40 | mikegrb> | the errors might be there |
| 14:41 | warlord> | wait, your IP changed? did you fix all the entries by IP Address in the database and control files? |
| 14:41 | Chutt> | first screen of the first section of setup. |
| 14:42 | Chutt> | ie, the ip address section. |
| 14:42 | thor_> | and your mysql permissions |
| 14:42 | Chutt> | naw, mysql's fine |
| 14:42 | Chutt> | and the hostname in the capturecard table, if that's different |
| 14:42 | o_cee> | startup front and backend with --verbose all might help |
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| 14:42 | o_cee> | ah, that could explain why it thinks its remote? |
| 14:43 | o_cee> | probably. |
| 14:43 | thor_> | bing |
| 14:43 | o_cee> | oo |
| 14:43 | o_cee> | Captain_Murdoch really needs to stop idling.. :/ |
| 14:43 | kvandivo> | would you rather he be purring? |
| 14:44 | o_cee> | that'd be nice ;) |
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| 14:45 | billytwowilly> | cvs is probably ridiculously unstable right now right? |
| 14:46 | o_cee> | Alien Quadrilogy <-- that dvd box looks really nice :) |
| 14:46 | o_cee> | billytwowilly: ? |
| 14:46 | You're | now known as CaptainMurdock |
| 14:46 | * | CaptainMurdock purrs |
| 14:46 | You're | now known as mikegrb |
| 14:46 | o_cee> | oooh, baby:) |
| 14:46 | billytwowilly> | well al the stuff that was put off for 0.13 has been added right? |
| 14:51 | skammah> | ok, so my system is running as a slave server. how do I force it to realize that it is the master? |
| 14:52 | kvandivo> | bow down before it? |
| 14:53 | sfr> | run setup properly *hides* |
| 14:53 | * | thor_ worships kvandivo's wit |
| 14:53 | Chutt> | thor, does GenericTree::sortBySelectable put selectable stuff first or last? |
| 14:54 | thor_> | heh |
| 14:54 | thor_> | I have no clue |
| 14:54 | thor_> | hang on |
| 14:54 | thor_> | I'll check |
| 14:54 | Chutt> | skammah, fix the hostname in the capturecard table? |
| 14:54 | sfr> | General->1st screen make 'IP address for $YOURHOST' and 'Master Server IP address' the same |
| 14:57 | thor_> | it put's selectable last (probably so they would go on a listview in the "right" order) |
| 14:58 | thor_> | and it recurses down it's children |
| 14:59 | Chutt> | right |
| 14:59 | Chutt> | ok, thanks |
| 14:59 | thor_> | yup |
| 14:59 | * | thor_ wonders where Chutt is fiddling with a GenericTree |
| 15:00 | Chutt> | trying to speed up your sorting routines :p |
| 15:00 | thor_> | heh |
| 15:00 | thor_> | something_changed sillyness |
| 15:02 | thor_> | iirc, there's some complicated (and probably not very clever) bits about it sorting the tree based on different indexes |
| 15:02 | Chutt> | just making that QPtrList<> a derived class so I can overload compareItems and use qt's sort() |
| 15:02 | Chutt> | naw, not that complicated |
| 15:02 | thor_> | k |
| 15:02 | skammah> | thanks guys. I was more of a nimrod that I would like to admit. |
| 15:03 | * | thor_ suspects this has something to do with a bad IP entry somewhere |
| 15:03 | skammah> | still not sure why it wasn't working before with 127.0.0.1 in both fields. |
| 15:03 | sfr> | so what did you change finally? |
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| 15:05 | skammah> | both local and master ips to my local ip |
| 15:06 | skammah> | from 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:11 | jbeimler> | argh. still only getting 1 channel, and no channel info w/ the PVR-250 |
| 15:11 | jbeimler> | i see it in the scheduling, but not in the watch tv part |
| 15:12 | Chutt> | error messages on the console. |
| 15:12 | Chutt> | that you ran mythbackend or mythfrontend from. |
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| 15:23 | lmatter> | Chutt, I saw you powered up your EPIA the other day. Doing any tinkering with it? |
| 15:25 | jbeimler> | it locks up tight, no way to get to the console |
| 15:25 | jbeimler> | :( |
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| 15:48 | jbeimler> | got it recording, guess I just need to let that time out and see what watching tv does. |
| 15:58 | fathom> | okay... xhosting the mythtv setup was probably a bad idea |
| 15:59 | fathom> | can you say slow? |
| 15:59 | fathom> | that and i don't think it's rendering correctly |
| 15:59 | warlord> | yea, it wont work. |
| 15:59 | ananke> | yeah, it's quite slow |
| 15:59 | ananke> | does any of you guys use a remote control with mythtv? i have one simple question |
| 15:59 | mechou> | xhosting, can you elaborate? |
| 16:00 | warlord> | ananke: lirc, yes |
| 16:00 | warlord> | mechou: man xhost |
| 16:01 | mechou> | fathom: were you running x client (and myth) and server on two diff. machines? |
| 16:02 | ananke> | warlord : long story short, i made an IR receiver last night, and got it to work. i got the basic keys mapped. now, the up/down/left/right buttons work just fine in mythtv subsystems, such as mythnews/mythmusic/etc. however, they don't work on the main menu. i was wondering: does the main menu use different settings/buttons/? |
| 16:02 | Chutt> | of course it doesn't use different keys. |
| 16:02 | fathom> | mechou, i'm doing all of this on one box, but i'm at work working on my install.. |
| 16:03 | ananke> | Chutt : thank you. this will narrow down my debugging process of finding what could be the cause of it |
| 16:03 | fathom> | and i have xforwarding running through an ssh tunnel, i didn't know part of the mythtv install was graphical. |
| 16:03 | mechou> | fathom: ahh.... |
| 16:04 | fathom> | my mouse doesn't seem to focus on the screen though |
| 16:04 | fathom> | or rather it's not drawing the mouse on the ./setup screen |
| 16:05 | ananke> | fathom : that's normal. use the keyboard. |
| 16:05 | fathom> | just press the numbers? |
| 16:05 | ananke> | up/down/left/right, and others |
| 16:05 | ananke> | that is a desired behaviour, from my understanding of the documentation |
| 16:06 | fathom> | what should i see if i press up? it's taking a long time to draw the screens across my cable connection at home ;) |
| 16:06 | ananke> | ouch, you will have to give it a moment. it was taking a couple seconds on my 11Mbps wifi, with ssh x11 forwarding |
| 16:09 | fathom> | heh ya this is like a 35/KB upstream :P |
| 16:09 | fathom> | and actually i haven't even seen anything yet |
| 16:09 | ananke> | just wait until you get home |
| 16:09 | fathom> | i'll give it a few more minutes and if not, i'll wait till i get home |
| 16:09 | fathom> | of course i won't be home till like midnight tonight... but whatever |
| 16:10 | jbeimler> | recording works, the K6-2 400 is on the edge of being fast enough to keep up. |
| 16:10 | jbeimler> | gotta find out if there is any other processes I can kill |
| 16:10 | fathom> | what capture card do you have in that k6? |
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| 16:11 | jbeimler> | PVR-250 |
| 16:12 | jbeimler> | had a bt card in there, but it couldn't keep up |
| 16:12 | fathom> | hmmm |
| 16:12 | fathom> | i have a duron 750 with an ATI Wonder VE in mine... wonder if it'll be able to keep up |
| 16:14 | sfr> | fathom: i tried that lately via an ISDN link. all i say is: have patience :) |
| 16:15 | Chutt> | that's a great idea, spend more on the capture card than the processor |
| 16:15 | Chutt> | good thinking! |
| 16:15 | fathom> | heh |
| 16:15 | fathom> | sfr, how much patience? |
| 16:15 | fathom> | heh |
| 16:15 | fathom> | still waiting here |
| 16:16 | sfr> | fathom: about one cigarette |
| 16:16 | fathom> | i don't smoke :P |
| 16:16 | fathom> | so go to the myth screen and press... up? |
| 16:18 | fathom> | holy crap it highlighted 1 |
| 16:18 | fathom> | yeah takes a little while |
| 16:20 | sfr> | hey i didn't finish my virtual cigarette yet |
| 16:21 | fathom> | lol yea, but i started the setup like 20 minutes ago ;) |
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| 16:24 | fathom> | how do you get out of the screen after you've set up what your capture card is? |
| 16:24 | fathom> | nevermind |
| 16:24 | fathom> | esc |
| 16:29 | fathom> | is this good or bad? |
| 16:29 | fathom> | 2003-12-11 15:28:40 tv_grab_na --config-file '/root/.mythtv/Cox.xmltv' --configure --retry-limit 2 --retry-delay 30 --postalcode 74055 --provider --auto-new-channels add |
| 16:29 | fathom> | 2003-12-11 15:28:40 exited with status 32512 |
| 16:32 | jbeimler> | cranking the size and bitrate down a bit and its no longer skippng. |
| 16:32 | jbeimler> | but I can't get it to change channels on the PVR-250 -- suggestions? |
| 16:32 | Chutt> | as i said before |
| 16:32 | Chutt> | there will be an error message on the console you ran mythfrontend or mythbackend from. |
| 16:33 | jbeimler> | Chutt: thanks, I'm logging to a file this time, I'll take a look. |
| 16:33 | jbeimler> | thanks for putting up w/ me |
| 16:33 | Chutt> | why don't you simply alt-tab to the term windows? |
| 16:34 | jbeimler> | Chutt: no keyboard either |
| 16:34 | jbeimler> | going to ssh in, and watch |
| 16:34 | Chutt> | why would you be setting something up without a keyboard before you got everything working? |
| 16:34 | jbeimler> | Chutt: no I have a keyboard attached, but once i start up the video, it stops responding |
| 16:35 | Chutt> | erm |
| 16:35 | jbeimler> | I'm not as stupid as I look |
| 16:35 | Chutt> | i highly doubt that. |
| 16:37 | jbeimler> | appears to be a database issue. wierd, but understandable |
| 16:39 | mechou> | jbeimler: quoi?? |
| 16:39 | jbeimler> | mysql is erroring out trying to access recordedmarkup.MYD |
| 16:40 | mechou> | whjy would that affect your keyboard? |
| 16:40 | jbeimler> | not sure, the box is underpowered, I'm guessing thashing fubars the box |
| 16:41 | sfr> | recordedmarkup.MYD? |
| 16:41 | mechou> | never heard that before.... |
| 16:41 | jbeimler> | its part of the table storage. |
| 16:42 | sfr> | so you meant recordedmarkup, ok. |
| 16:43 | jbeimler> | yeah, I'm going to rebuild the table and see if that helps |
| 16:45 | o_cee> | Chutt: can't you filter away all stupid emails from people using email software that drops the message id's? new threads all over the place :/ |
| 16:52 | fathom> | when i'm trying to set up my zipcode and stuff for xmltv to grab the listings i get this error: sh: line 1: tv_grab_na: command not found |
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| 16:59 | jbeimler> | argh. can't find a free input, where is that tracked? |
| 17:00 | ananke> | hmm, this sucks, went to a store to find a small case that would fit atx mobo, and couldn't get one. time to make my own |
| 17:02 | jbeimler> | do I need external commands to change channels on the PVR-250? |
| 17:02 | warlord> | jbeimler: no |
| 17:02 | * | jbeimler goes to rtfm |
| 17:03 | jbeimler> | hmm, the osd works, but the channel doesn't change |
| 17:03 | o_cee> | your db is wrong |
| 17:03 | sfr> | r = read not fly over |
| 17:04 | o_cee> | thor_: i mailed the authoer of the gant icons and asked if he'd do ff/rew buttons.. won't be fun unless he does that |
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| 17:26 | dja_> | thor - you around? |
| 17:28 | hadees> | anyone use nuvexport? |
| 17:28 | hadees> | i am looking for good settings for convering my mpeg2 to an archivable mpeg4 |
| 17:28 | o_cee> | always used standard settings |
| 17:29 | hadees> | o_cee: the standard settings that nuvexport uses results in a crappy video... |
| 17:29 | o_cee> | aaaaalright, if you say so |
| 17:30 | hadees> | well to me anyway, what should i increase to make the quality better? |
| 17:30 | o_cee> | the bitrate? |
| 17:30 | o_cee> | use high quality? |
| 17:30 | o_cee> | uh |
| 17:30 | hadees> | nuvexport doesn't use the high quality recording, it transcodes |
| 17:31 | hadees> | with its own settings |
| 17:32 | o_cee> | uhm |
| 17:32 | o_cee> | yeah |
| 17:32 | o_cee> | but you can choose like "use high quality encode" |
| 17:32 | hadees> | mabey i have an older version i don't remember being able to do that |
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| 17:54 | hadees> | anyone have trouble when editing recordings it doesn't cut exaclty where you wanted it and you either miss a tiny portion of the show or you get some commerical in it? |
| 17:55 | o_cee> | set your cutpoints at keyframes |
| 17:55 | Chutt> | transcoded recordings? |
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| 17:56 | sfr> | o_cee: how? |
| 17:57 | o_cee> | sfr: press up/down until you get to "keyframe" |
| 17:57 | o_cee> | or whatever it says |
| 17:57 | o_cee> | left of "frame" |
| 17:57 | kvandivo> | you da man, Mr I |
| 17:57 | sfr> | never noticed that, but i've not used cutpoints very often |
| 17:58 | Chutt> | playback of non-transcoded stuff should be frame-exact |
| 17:59 | steelep> | I just convert it all to xvid/divx then cut it up |
| 17:59 | steelep> | it's alot easier |
| 17:59 | o_cee> | i've also noticed that after transcding, there's a tiny bit of video/audio at the beggining.. and the first cutpoint where set at 0,, guess it's related to keyframe stuff, not familiar with how it works |
| 17:59 | Chutt> | kvandivo, me? |
| 18:00 | kvandivo> | nod |
| 18:00 | Chutt> | what, my commit? |
| 18:00 | kvandivo> | nod |
| 18:00 | o_cee> | you guys must have alot of recordings :) |
| 18:00 | Chutt> | naw |
| 18:00 | kvandivo> | well, i am assuming it is linear |
| 18:01 | Chutt> | was exponential |
| 18:01 | Chutt> | now it's linear |
| 18:01 | o_cee> | "1000 programs in the watch recordings screen" <-- nah :) |
| 18:01 | steelep> | I have something like that :) |
| 18:01 | steelep> | but not in recording, in mythvideo |
| 18:01 | o_cee> | i think i have like 10 or so.. :) |
| 18:02 | kvandivo> | i make it a point to record every show in 5 minute increments.. that way way i can watch portions of a show and delete them as I go. I have about 2,000 in my now recorded list |
| 18:02 | steelep> | I move stuff out of recorded to archive pretty fast |
| 18:02 | o_cee> | stupid 24, they'll have christmas break until the end of february!! :/ |
| 18:02 | kvandivo> | (by the way, I've got some ocean front property in arizona.. anyone interested?) |
| 18:02 | Chutt> | i did test with 8500 recordings |
| 18:02 | hadees> | steelep: what did you use to cut divx files up? |
| 18:02 | o_cee> | Chutt: hehe, nice. guess that'll be enough for most people |
| 18:03 | warlord> | 8500!?! |
| 18:03 | kvandivo> | (i was kidding about what i said.. but not totally see.. #12 on my 'plans' list.. http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/~kvandivo/mythtv/plans.txt |
| 18:03 | o_cee> | yeah well that's alot of porn. |
| 18:03 | Chutt> | i just made the bakend send stuff a bunch |
| 18:04 | hadees> | Chutt: for converting xmms vis to mythmusic do you just need to make the vis C++ |
| 18:04 | steelep> | I use vitrualdub |
| 18:04 | Chutt> | hadees, no, it can be c |
| 18:04 | Chutt> | you just need to get rid of the gtk crap |
| 18:04 | o_cee> | kvandivo: would be nice.. however |
| 18:04 | steelep> | it's damned fast for just making cut pints and saving the new stream |
| 18:04 | steelep> | points |
| 18:05 | o_cee> | kvandivo: the most wanted thing i'd want in myth would be the ability to record something, wich grabs stuff from the ringbuffer.. like if you start watching something (like that victorias secret show i forgot to record, but did watch), and decide you want it recorded.. that would rock |
| 18:05 | Chutt> | i've doubled the sort speed in the generictree stuff, but i'm trying to figure out why it's sorting everything twice all the time |
| 18:05 | thor_> | ah |
| 18:05 | steelep> | these dvb files are basically impossible to edit without transcoding |
| 18:06 | hadees> | Chutt: anything else besides getting rid of the gtk crap? also why was blur scope changed to c++ then? |
| 18:06 | steelep> | especially the hd ones |
| 18:06 | Chutt> | hadees, it needs to live in a class |
| 18:06 | Chutt> | and i rewrote much of the blurscope stuff |
| 18:06 | thor_> | sorting twice if list as shuffled not on ? |
| 18:06 | Chutt> | thor, yup |
| 18:06 | thor_> | or _always_ sorting twice ? |
| 18:06 | steelep> | thor, I think I figured out the autoplaylists |
| 18:07 | steelep> | maybe 2 lines of code will do it |
| 18:07 | sfr> | Chutt: mythmusic next please :) |
| 18:07 | steelep> | then building a ui will not be so hard |
| 18:07 | thor_> | steelep, post a patch ? |
| 18:07 | steelep> | when I get it functioning, yes |
| 18:08 | steelep> | I just looked at where to do it, not actually writing it |
| 18:08 | hadees> | any of the mythmusic vis not written just changed to work with mythmusic? i just want to see a side by side comparison of the xmms version with the mythmusic version |
| 18:08 | steelep> | I should do it this weekend |
| 18:08 | hadees> | not rewritten |
| 18:08 | thor_> | Chutt, it's been a while, but since I didn't want to presort for every possible index (normal, intelligent, random, .... (generic!)) whenever you ask for ->next() it sorts from where it is, and then gives an answer |
| 18:08 | Chutt> | hadees, the stuff's simple, just look at the source. |
| 18:09 | thor_> | if it needs to list differently, it then has to resort |
| 18:09 | thor_> | (at least I _think_ that's what I did) |
| 18:09 | Chutt> | i dunno |
| 18:09 | Chutt> | i just need to look at it more :p |
| 18:09 | dja_> | chutt - is a recording profile '0' meant to be valid? |
| 18:10 | Chutt> | doesn't it use default if the profile isn't valid? |
| 18:10 | thor_> | I'm just finishing some daapserver stuff, once I get that actually sorted I'll look at it again (later tonight) |
| 18:10 | dja_> | didn't seem to on my recordings... |
| 18:10 | o_cee> | i also have some with 0 in the db, and thor as well |
| 18:10 | Chutt> | <shrug> |
| 18:10 | Chutt> | send in a patch |
| 18:10 | dja_> | I think I've fixed it (haven't fully tested) simply by changing the mysql def to set a default of "Default" :-) |
| 18:10 | dja_> | cool - I will - thanks. :-) |
| 18:10 | Chutt> | dja, oh, and i thought of a better way to do the save on exit stuff |
| 18:10 | Chutt> | so don't worry 'bout that |
| 18:11 | thor_> | I've got oodles, but that's on a dev box that is never really set up properly ... |
| 18:11 | dja_> | no problem -- I wasn't sure if that was clean or not. :-) |
| 18:11 | steelep> | I think Playlist::loadPlaylist could just test for 'where' in the first load and set raw_songlist to the results of a new query to get the tracks |
| 18:12 | thor_> | and saving new playlists back to the db? |
| 18:12 | steelep> | haven't got to the ui part yet |
| 18:12 | steelep> | that was just for getting the list of songs |
| 18:13 | steelep> | but doing something like the iTunes ui should be fairly simple for building a where clause |
| 18:13 | steelep> | but it won't be as easy with a remote control |
| 18:13 | thor_> | you'd need an object somewhere that knows it's a "query based" playlist ... I suspect |
| 18:13 | steelep> | no, all you do here is save whre blah, blah into the songlist |
| 18:13 | steelep> | where |
| 18:14 | steelep> | if the ui is responsible for making a valid where clause it shouldn't present any problems |
| 18:14 | steelep> | and I see you just reject invalid songlists anyway |
| 18:15 | thor_> | well .... look forward to seeing the patch :-) |
| 18:15 | warlord> | hmm, epg in 0.13 is really sluggish... |
| 18:16 | kvandivo> | must be that sleep() we put in.. |
| 18:17 | warlord> | :-P |
| 18:17 | thor_> | if ($USER == warlord) usleep(10000); |
| 18:18 | warlord> | Luckily i dont run myth as 'warlord' ;) |
| 18:18 | thor_> | damn |
| 18:18 | kvandivo> | with the comment of // Wonder how long it will take him to notice this |
| 18:18 | thor_> | would be even slower that way! |
| 18:18 | warlord> | hehe |
| 18:22 | warlord> | besides, my wife noticed.. |
| 18:22 | warlord> | hitting page down multiple times in a row didn't work, unless I waited a couple seconds for the epg to completely redraw before I hit the page-down a second time. |
| 18:22 | Chutt> | what blending method are you using? |
| 18:23 | warlord> | Chutt: probably alpha.. But that shouldn't really be an issue on a 2GHz Athlon XP+ with 0.5GB ram. |
| 18:23 | Chutt> | sure it should :p |
| 18:23 | thor_> | turn on ACCEL (if nvidia driver) |
| 18:24 | Chutt> | i'm not seeing any major slowdown with things |
| 18:24 | warlord> | You mean: Option "RenderAccel" "1" |
| 18:24 | warlord> | or something else, thor_? |
| 18:24 | warlord> | Chutt: what do you use? |
| 18:24 | thor_> | yup |
| 18:24 | thor_> | that's the one |
| 18:25 | warlord> | well, then, it's already on ;) |
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| 18:25 | thor_> | ah ... well it would be slower if you turned it off ! |
| 18:26 | warlord> | Wow.. It already takes a couple seconds for every page-change. I can't imagine it being any slower. |
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| 18:26 | thor_> | you have a very un-vivid imagination |
| 18:27 | warlord> | My myth box is the fastest machine in my house... If it's this slow on bleeding edge fast hardware.... |
| 18:27 | sfr> | when hitting PgDwn? start-up of the EPG in live-tv mode seems slower than before, but otherwise 'feels' as fast/slow as ever. |
| 18:28 | warlord> | sfr: yes. |
| 18:28 | warlord> | hit page down a couple times in a row.. |
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| 18:30 | sfr> | works ok here |
| 18:30 | warlord> | how long do you wait between keypresses? |
| 18:30 | warlord> | also, are you using a keyboard or lirc? |
| 18:30 | sfr> | instinctivally until the screen changes, on a keyboard |
| 18:30 | * | PhazE3 is back (gone 00:02:11) |
| 18:31 | warlord> | let me try using the keyboard -- after the news is over. |
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| 18:31 | PhazE3> | The epg speed is fine for me with an ATI Remote Wonder on an amd 1700+ |
| 18:31 | sfr> | and i have the mini tv window in the epg |
| 18:32 | warlord> | maybe my expectations are too high based on previous experiences with cable boxes... OTOH 0.13 seems much more sluggish than 0.12 in terms of how many seconds per page I can page-down. |
| 18:33 | hadees> | anyone know a good program for editing dixv files on linux? |
| 18:33 | PhazE3> | Myth's epg is actually faster for me than my dct2244 box and my older direct tv box |
| 18:34 | sfr> | i beg to disagree :) any objective reasons why channel-changing with a pvr350 seems faster with 0.13 while using the same setup? |
| 18:34 | warlord> | sfr: with whom are you begging to disagree? |
| 18:35 | sfr> | warlord: you, i'm just typing slow |
| 18:36 | * | PhazE3 is away: Time to go home |
| 18:36 | GreyFoxx> | warlord I've seen what you describe with the epg, just haven't take the time to diagnose why |
| 18:37 | warlord> | Hmm, right now it's working ok.. It wasn't earlier... |
| 18:37 | sfr> | mysql cache? |
| 18:39 | warlord> | sfr: what do you mean? |
| 18:39 | warlord> | the fact that it's cached in the frontend now and wasn't earlier? |
| 18:40 | sfr> | if you set up a query cache in mysql, the queries caused by the epg would get answered faster the 2nd time. just guessing here. |
| 18:40 | warlord> | I didn't change anything. |
| 18:41 | warlord> | oooh, I like the new 6544 code that tells me what LiveTV is watching! Really sweet. |
| 18:41 | GreyFoxx> | I noticed the change from 0.12 -> CVS and still in 0.13 |
| 18:41 | GreyFoxx> | I'll try and take time to track it down tonight if I get a chance |
| 18:42 | GreyFoxx> | And I have query_caching on |
| 18:42 | o_cee> | warlord: thanks |
| 18:43 | sfr> | GreyFoxx: the query_cache option belongs in the [mysqld] section? |
| 18:43 | GreyFoxx> | Yup |
| 18:44 | GreyFoxx> | as a set-variable |
| 18:45 | sfr> | GreyFoxx: set? all options in my.conf look like this: query_cache_size = 4M |
| 18:45 | GreyFoxx> | I carried over my old mysql 3.23 config file |
| 18:45 | * | warlord is still using 3.23 |
| 18:45 | GreyFoxx> | where it's set-variable = querycache=100000 etc |
| 18:45 | sfr> | GreyFoxx: ah, ok. the format changed with mysql 4 afaik |
| 18:46 | GreyFoxx> | My box is currently having surgury at the moment :) I think I set the cache to 10meg |
| 18:52 | o_cee> | kvandivo: your todo item #8 happens if a recording starts when you're watching something |
| 18:53 | o_cee> | thor_: had any time looking at a clock plugin yet? |
| 18:54 | dja_> | stupid question #23222: how do I get to the advanced recording screen (from the program guide) if a show is already set to be recorded? |
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| 18:56 | o_cee> | m or i |
| 18:56 | sfr> | dja_: select the show, hit i once or twice depending your setup |
| 18:56 | dja_> | any idea what that's called? I've remapped almost every key :-) |
| 18:56 | dja_> | (I knew I should have written down the old mappings before I went crazy :-) |
| 18:56 | sfr> | read it up in keys.local :P |
| 18:56 | o_cee> | still don't like not beeing able to quit the epg and change channels with enter.. :/ |
| 18:56 | dja_> | fair enough :-) |
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| 18:57 | thor_> | o_cee, no ... but do keep reminding me |
| 18:57 | o_cee> | thor_: i will.... i will.. :) |
| 18:57 | dja_> | (one "i" did it -- thanks a million) |
| 18:58 | sfr> | ups, i did it again . lame joke i know. |
| 18:59 | dja_> | :-) |
| 18:59 | thor_> | anyone heard the remix with Elmer Fudd? |
| 18:59 | thor_> | hilarious |
| 18:59 | sfr> | got a mp3? |
| 18:59 | thor_> | uhm, possibly |
| 18:59 | sfr> | Elmer is the one hunting for Bugs Bunny? |
| 19:00 | thor_> | yupp |
| 19:04 | o_cee> | i've got some really wierd entries in recording priorities.. |
| 19:05 | o_cee> | one says: title=3 (that's the channel) |
| 19:05 | o_cee> | channel=0 |
| 19:05 | o_cee> | priority=+friends |
| 19:05 | o_cee> | wich is the show |
| 19:05 | o_cee> | heh |
| 19:06 | o_cee> | and it says "not recording" |
| 19:06 | o_cee> | then there's an empty one that says "not recording" and any channel |
| 19:06 | o_cee> | very strange |
| 19:07 | o_cee> | and simpsons has gotten +39 recpriority.. heh, wtf is this :)they're at 0 both of them (simpsons) |
| 19:09 | o_cee> | anyone seen anything like that? |
| 19:10 | o_cee> | the recs work |
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| 19:14 | tmbg37> | hey, i was wondering, how well would a P2 system with a Hauppauge card perform with mythtv? |
| 19:14 | warlord> | what speed p2? |
| 19:15 | warlord> | (probably not well, but it may be ok) |
| 19:15 | tmbg37> | 400 mhz, i think |
| 19:15 | o_cee> | no playback i'd say |
| 19:16 | tmbg37> | oh |
| 19:16 | tmbg37> | that stinks |
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| 19:16 | tmbg37> | hey, what's with this ati tv wonder pro card i hear about? |
| 19:16 | o_cee> | QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range <-- that doesn't look right |
| 19:16 | tmbg37> | it has hardware mpeg compression, i think |
| 19:17 | tmbg37> | i might be reading the description wrong, though |
| 19:17 | sfr> | o_cee: i've seen that in the past as well. don't remember how i triggered it though. |
| 19:17 | warlord> | yea, a p2-400 probably isn't enough to do livetv, even with a pvr-250 |
| 19:18 | warlord> | a pvr-350 might work. |
| 19:18 | warlord> | (with the pvr tv-out) |
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| 19:18 | o_cee> | offset is: 281 but size is 301 <-- hmm again |
| 19:18 | o_cee> | heh |
| 19:18 | tmbg37> | eh, it'll probably just be easier to build a new pc without hardware encoding |
| 19:18 | o_cee> | checking my record table now, but i can't find anything |
| 19:19 | tmbg37> | also, how easy is it to get mythtv to work with a directtv box |
| 19:19 | tmbg37> | ? |
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| 19:24 | tmbg37> | i take it by your collective silence that i should rtfm |
| 19:24 | o_cee> | probably |
| 19:25 | o_cee> | but i'm not in the usa so i can't answer even if i wanted ;) |
| 19:25 | tmbg37> | oh |
| 19:25 | o_cee> | search the mailinglist |
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| 19:26 | tmbg37> | i'm contemplating which i should go with, tivo or a mythtv box |
| 19:26 | mechou> | Is there documentation for the keybinding feature in myth? If there is, can someone point out where I might find it? |
| 19:26 | tmbg37> | tivo looks very attractive, being much cheaper with some nice features |
| 19:26 | o_cee> | mythtv of course |
| 19:26 | tmbg37> | but then there's the diy aspect of mythtv |
| 19:27 | o_cee> | as there aren't any such things as tivos here, i don't have any choice if i want a pvr |
| 19:27 | sfr> | mechou: all i know is you have to use mythweb to change it |
| 19:28 | tmbg37> | well, here i can buy a tivo direcTV receiver for $350 and pay $6 a month for it |
| 19:28 | mechou> | sfr: oops, no wonder I could't find it. I dont use mythweb. :( |
| 19:28 | thor_> | if you want mpeg streams right off a DirectTV satellite, get a dirct tv tivo |
| 19:29 | tmbg37> | it's to inconvenient to do it with mythtv? |
| 19:29 | thor_> | streams are encrypted |
| 19:29 | tmbg37> | no, no, it would be hooked up to the receiver |
| 19:29 | mechou> | tmbg37: no, it's because you trancode and encode again ==> poorer vid quality |
| 19:29 | tmbg37> | ah |
| 19:30 | Chutt> | if you have to ask questions about it, buy a tivo |
| 19:30 | mechou> | and what thor_ said :) |
| 19:30 | tmbg37> | well, it wouldn't be right off a directtv satellite |
| 19:31 | tmbg37> | i just realized that a directtv tivo + a year of service would cost about the same as me building a box to put mythtv on |
| 19:31 | mechou> | tmbg37: duh... |
| 19:32 | mechou> | :) |
| 19:32 | tmbg37> | well, not necessarily "duh" |
| 19:32 | tmbg37> | the box i was going to build before was about $500 |
| 19:32 | tmbg37> | now i've gotten it down to around $430 |
| 19:33 | mechou> | I got to Fry's an build a new box (w/ some recyled parts for) for <$300 |
| 19:33 | tmbg37> | receiever+year of service= $422 |
| 19:33 | tmbg37> | this thing is brand new |
| 19:33 | tmbg37> | it will be, that is |
| 19:33 | tmbg37> | but the case is taking up more money than it should |
| 19:33 | thor_> | use a pizza box |
| 19:34 | tmbg37> | it would stink up my parents bedroom |
| 19:34 | tmbg37> | and eventually rot |
| 19:34 | mechou> | thor_: yeah, no kidding |
| 19:34 | sfr> | eat the pizza first! |
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| 19:34 | tmbg37> | plus, a microATX mobo wouldn't fit too well |
| 19:34 | tmbg37> | even with half-height pci cards |
| 19:35 | mechou> | tmbg37: be creative, make your own pizza box |
| 19:35 | tmbg37> | i'm not really into the whole "case-modifying" thing |
| 19:35 | mechou> | tmbg37: who sid anything about case mod? |
| 19:36 | tmbg37> | case mod, case design, same thing |
| 19:36 | thor_> | fine, wonderful, excellent, enjoy you Tivo |
| 19:36 | tmbg37> | so it's of your opinion that i shouldn't bother trying to get mythtv to work with directtv? |
| 19:37 | thor_> | nope |
| 19:37 | tmbg37> | your reasons being low video quality and..? |
| 19:37 | mechou> | encypted vido stream |
| 19:38 | o_cee> | Chutt: got any idea about those "QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range" things? |
| 19:38 | tmbg37> | coming from the directv receiver? |
| 19:38 | tmbg37> | that doesn't make any sense |
| 19:38 | mechou> | yeah, if you dont intend to use svideo |
| 19:39 | tmbg37> | but if the video stream is encrypted, how can you watch it on a TV? |
| 19:39 | o_cee> | google fixes that |
| 19:39 | thor_> | oh dear god |
| 19:39 | sfr> | tmbg37: just like we watch the matrix ;) |
| 19:39 | o_cee> | that error message is coming from: void ProgramInfo::FromStringList(QStringList &list, int offset).. hmm |
| 19:40 | o_cee> | sfr: you're not supposed to tell him about that. |
| 19:40 | tmbg37> | i'm being ignorant, aren't i? |
| 19:40 | o_cee> | noooo |
| 19:40 | tmbg37> | stupid? |
| 19:40 | mechou> | warmer |
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| 19:40 | sfr> | i wouldn't say that |
| 19:41 | fathom> | well i got it working sfr!! |
| 19:41 | fathom> | but there's one problem |
| 19:41 | sfr> | ^^ re stupid? |
| 19:41 | fathom> | finally came home to check on this thing |
| 19:41 | tmbg37> | well, explain it to me |
| 19:41 | sfr> | fathom: but i didn't do it . i swear! |
| 19:41 | hadees> | do bitrates need to be multiples of anything? |
| 19:41 | fathom> | sfr, no you told me to wait :P so i waited out those screens and fixed it |
| 19:42 | fathom> | had some problems with xmltv to fix when i got home, but i got it all sorted out. |
| 19:43 | sfr> | fathom: you're that c**x <whatever that distro was called> user aren't you? |
| 19:43 | fathom> | right, but i'm not using it under crux |
| 19:43 | tmbg37> | could you guys explain to me how this encrypted stream stuff works? |
| 19:43 | fathom> | though, i bet i could get it working under that now too. |
| 19:43 | o_cee> | tmbg37: use google. |
| 19:43 | fathom> | i was having trouble with my tv card last night so i just installed fedora |
| 19:44 | fathom> | so now... |
| 19:44 | fathom> | the whole database is there and stuff, but when i try to watch live tv... it's all distorted |
| 19:44 | tmbg37> | ah, forget it |
| 19:44 | tmbg37> | i haven't found anything particularly useful with google |
| 19:45 | sfr> | distorted like? |
| 19:45 | fathom> | like green mess at the bottom of the screen |
| 19:45 | fathom> | i wonder if i can take a screenshot of it |
| 19:45 | o_cee> | tmbg37: try "miserable failure".. that's funny |
| 19:46 | sfr> | fathom: you have a bt8xx tv card? |
| 19:46 | tmbg37> | sigh.. |
| 19:46 | tmbg37> | i guess i will get a tivo, then |
| 19:47 | sfr> | tmbg37: you _did_ search the mailing list archives. iirc there were some post about directv. |
| 19:47 | o_cee> | try searching for that on google, i didn't mean anything about you ;) |
| 19:47 | tmbg37> | no, i know about that |
| 19:47 | fathom> | sfr yes |
| 19:47 | tmbg37> | that it leads to GW's bio |
| 19:48 | sfr> | so maybe your bttv setup is wrong. wrong tuner,card whatnot. |
| 19:48 | fathom> | sfr, is there a known problem with bt8xx cards?... |
| 19:48 | fathom> | oh like in my modules.conf? |
| 19:48 | fathom> | is there any way to get it to stop the sound from mythtv when you exit the frontend? |
| 19:49 | sfr> | could be, yes. did you see the docs in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/video4linux/bttv? |
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| 19:49 | mechou> | hr rkulagow, any luck on m179? |
| 19:49 | sfr> | fathom: mute the line-in of your soundcard |
| 19:50 | rkulagow> | mechou: yes, i now have two working in a pundit. video and audio seems good. |
| 19:50 | tmbg37> | a google search for directtv mythtv encrypted turned up 7 results, none relevant |
| 19:50 | mechou> | tmbg37: drop mythtv from that query |
| 19:51 | fathom> | hmm okay the card is #64 |
| 19:51 | mechou> | rkulagow: so you did get a patch and driver that applied cleanly, yes? |
| 19:51 | fathom> | how do i figure out which tuner # to use? |
| 19:51 | fathom> | i have it set to type 2 |
| 19:52 | o_cee> | rtm |
| 19:52 | sfr> | fathom: check what's written on the card and the Tuners file might help. |
| 19:52 | fathom> | hmmm k |
| 19:52 | rkulagow> | mechou: yes. i posted a message and a link in the ivtv mailing list of a tarball i made of CVSLATEST + Jens' 1125A + Anduin's close_stream (tinny audio) and Chris Pinkham's M179 patches. (they don't apply cleanly, but i made them). |
| 19:53 | rkulagow> | it's been working well for me pretty much all day now. |
| 19:53 | mechou> | rkulagow: ok, thx for heads up |
| 19:54 | fathom> | groups.google search says tuner 2 |
| 19:54 | fathom> | so i just had the wrong card specified |
| 19:54 | fathom> | okay i guess i'll reboot |
| 19:54 | fathom> | thanks for the help |
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| 19:55 | sfr> | reboot? rmmod; modprobe ... exists |
| 19:56 | mechou> | hey rkulagow: which mdk kernel version are you using? |
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| 19:57 | rkulagow> | mechou: 2.4.22-21mdk |
| 19:58 | tmbg37> | so before i select tivo, let me get this clear: mythtv will NOT work with a directtv receiver |
| 19:58 | o_cee> | anyone know if there's something funny with qt 3.2.2? |
| 19:58 | mechou> | rkulagow: is thatstock one with mdk 9.2? |
| 19:59 | mechou> | tmbg37: it will work, you just have to use direct tv ANALOG output |
| 19:59 | tmbg37> | well, that's what i was going to do anyway |
| 19:59 | sfr> | is direct tv hdtv? |
| 20:00 | tmbg37> | some newer ones are |
| 20:00 | tmbg37> | but i don't have that service |
| 20:00 | tmbg37> | i don't even have a hdtv set |
| 20:02 | tmbg37> | so directv will work |
| 20:03 | tmbg37> | now, someone mentioned something about low video quality |
| 20:03 | rkulagow> | mechou: i don't think so. i run cooker. |
| 20:04 | mechou> | rkulagow: ok, thanks. BTW, did you try packet writing with that kernel by any chance? |
| 20:04 | mechou> | like for CDRW/DVDRW |
| 20:05 | tmbg37> | oh come on, you guys aren't even trying to convince me to use mythtv |
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| 20:05 | sfr> | should we? |
| 20:05 | mechou> | tmbg37: why should we convince you? |
| 20:05 | billytwowilly> | tmbg37: We're not selling it;) Why would we want to convince you to use it? |
| 20:05 | billytwowilly> | tmbg37: If you want to be convinced you should go talk to the tivo salesman;) |
| 20:05 | o_cee> | dragon etc # emerge -pu qt <-- will take a while ;) |
| 20:06 | mechou> | billytwowilly: there you go :) |
| 20:06 | tmbg37> | hmm, good point |
| 20:06 | billytwowilly> | tmbg37: Can you code? If you can code and want to work extensively on mythgame then I might just have a reason to convince you;) |
| 20:06 | o_cee> | if you come over here i'll show it to you |
| 20:06 | sfr> | and then tmbg37 comes back complaining to us if it doesn't work ;) |
| 20:06 | tmbg37> | well, i'd like to be able to code but unfortunately I can't |
| 20:07 | o_cee> | it's not anything you're born with.. |
| 20:07 | o_cee> | with a few exceptions |
| 20:07 | tmbg37> | i know, but I don't know what books to get, etc. |
| 20:07 | sfr> | tmbg37: so do i, well almost |
| 20:07 | tmbg37> | classes aren't an option for me, i'm 14 |
| 20:07 | o_cee> | there will be time |
| 20:08 | mechou> | 14, what's that, 8th grade? |
| 20:08 | o_cee> | wonder how long that compile will take |
| 20:09 | sfr> | tmbg37: you're young, got plenty of time to spend learning it, if you want to |
| 20:09 | tmbg37> | 9th grade |
| 20:09 | tmbg37> | i know, but i don't know where to learn |
| 20:09 | o_cee> | look at code, get a book.. |
| 20:09 | tmbg37> | but what book?! |
| 20:09 | o_cee> | can't recommend any ;) |
| 20:09 | mechou> | so why aren't classes an option? , they don't teach you basic computer skills in your HS? |
| 20:09 | tmbg37> | what language? |
| 20:10 | tmbg37> | they have C++ clasess |
| 20:10 | o_cee> | mythtv is c++ |
| 20:10 | tmbg37> | unfortunately, i can't take any right now |
| 20:10 | sfr> | well, try mythtv notice missing features and get lost in the code |
| 20:10 | tmbg37> | and i probably won't be able to for at least two or so years |
| 20:10 | billytwowilly> | tmbg37: bah, you couldn't work on mythgame if you tried.. too young.. |
| 20:11 | tmbg37> | it's been very much recommended to me that I learn C first, then assembler, then C++ |
| 20:11 | billytwowilly> | tmbg37: hint hint, this is where you say "NO! I CAN DO IT!" and go and fix it up nicely.. |
| 20:11 | o_cee> | Chutt: i'm hoping those errors (wich i think is QDateTime::fromString) will go away with Qt 3.2.3, got 3.2.2 now.. seems very strange |
| 20:11 | mechou> | tmb,sign up if you're really interested. Make sure the teacher is a good one, otherwise s/he might stifle any interest, if you know what I mean.... |
| 20:11 | tmbg37> | yes, i know |
| 20:11 | * | billytwowilly enjoys the intricacies of reverse psychology. |
| 20:11 | warlord | is now known as warlord-afk |
| 20:11 | tmbg37> | mechou, you see, i can't even take any classes right now |
| 20:12 | tmbg37> | my schedule is filled up with required courses, and probably always will b |
| 20:12 | tmbg37> | e |
| 20:12 | mechou> | tmbg37: I'm not talking about now, just saying at earliest opportunity.... |
| 20:12 | tmbg37> | right.. |
| 20:12 | tmbg37> | but i don't even know when that will be |
| 20:12 | billytwowilly> | can't you do extra credit or something? |
| 20:12 | o_cee> | get knoppmyth and try it out |
| 20:12 | tmbg37> | i just started in this Intel Science program, which is ironically very non-computer science oriented |
| 20:13 | billytwowilly> | tmbg37: If you're in Edmonton I could show you my setup. |
| 20:13 | o_cee> | or nearby malm\xF6, swing by here |
| 20:13 | mechou> | tmbg37: where do you go to school? |
| 20:13 | tmbg37> | midwood high in brooklyn, ny |
| 20:13 | sfr> | or stuttgart |
| 20:13 | o_cee> | sfr: :) |
| 20:13 | mechou> | tmbg37: I'm a graduate of Stuyvesant |
| 20:14 | tmbg37> | i wanted to go there, but my parents wouldn't let me |
| 20:14 | mechou> | tmbg37: you've heard of it, right? |
| 20:14 | sfr> | Stuyvesant? |
| 20:14 | tmbg37> | i couldn've gotten in, my scores were high enough |
| 20:14 | mechou> | tmbg37: why? |
| 20:14 | tmbg37> | eh, they think it's too competitive |
| 20:15 | tmbg37> | i retook the test though, so there's hope for me going next year |
| 20:15 | mechou> | tmbg37L: hogwash...what, are you their "little girl?" |
| 20:15 | tmbg37> | i don't know |
| 20:15 | tmbg37> | but there's not much i can do |
| 20:16 | mechou> | tmbg37: time to question your parents for the *real* reason. Maybe they're afraid of 9/11, by Wall St. and all.... |
| 20:16 | sfr> | mechou: Stuyvesant? any link to... cigarettes? |
| 20:16 | tmbg37> | yes, that too |
| 20:16 | tmbg37> | my mother particularly |
| 20:16 | mechou> | sfr: don't think so.... |
| 20:17 | tmbg37> | but anyway |
| 20:17 | tmbg37> | what language do you recommend i start with? |
| 20:18 | billytwowilly> | If you're using linux perl is always handy. |
| 20:18 | mechou> | whatever language you feel most comfortable. doesn't really matter.... |
| 20:18 | tmbg37> | for books, I have "C For Dummies", the C Programming Language, Teach yourself C++, and Practial C++ programming |
| 20:19 | tmbg37> | i'm just very insecure when it comes to this |
| 20:19 | mechou> | nah, it's easy if you're intellectually curious. |
| 20:19 | mechou> | grow a backbone. |
| 20:19 | tmbg37> | well, maybe i'll do C++ |
| 20:19 | tmbg37> | it's hard!! |
| 20:20 | mechou> | no, you just need to strart with basic concepts, which are not hard. |
| 20:20 | tmbg37> | i already know many basic concepts |
| 20:20 | tmbg37> | i've been trying to learn c/c++ for the past year or so |
| 20:20 | o_cee> | then you need to learn object oriented stuff maybe |
| 20:20 | mechou> | so why do you say it's hard? |
| 20:20 | tmbg37> | no, it's hard to grow a backbone |
| 20:21 | mechou> | well, that I can't help you with :) |
| 20:21 | tmbg37> | ok, well, tell me, C vs. C++ |
| 20:22 | mechou> | doesn't matter, but I'd start w/ C myself and go from there.... |
| 20:22 | tmbg37> | right.. |
| 20:22 | tmbg37> | well, i've already read C for dummies |
| 20:22 | o_cee> | java is very popular at the universities.. and looks pretty much like c++, but it might be easier to start with maybe |
| 20:23 | tmbg37> | look, i already know the basic programming concepts |
| 20:23 | tmbg37> | i'm just having a hard time moving from there |
| 20:23 | mechou> | tmbg37: what programs have you written? |
| 20:24 | mechou> | besides "hello world" |
| 20:24 | tmbg37> | uh, short programs to do little things |
| 20:24 | tmbg37> | like calculate the number of days between two dates |
| 20:24 | mechou> | you know the diff betw. heap & stack? pointer arithmetic? |
| 20:25 | tmbg37> | uh, mostly |
| 20:25 | hadees> | once you get down one lang, learning anothing is easy |
| 20:25 | tmbg37> | not sure about the heap and stack one |
| 20:25 | o_cee> | do a mastermind game :) |
| 20:25 | tmbg37> | i know that a stack is a first-in first-out list of variables |
| 20:25 | o_cee> | anyway. |
| 20:26 | sfr> | like mythmastermind ;) |
| 20:26 | mechou> | no, that's not what I meant re heap vs. stack, more like memory layout, management, etc.... |
| 20:26 | tmbg37> | well, no, i don't know that |
| 20:26 | tmbg37> | i also don't know much about file io |
| 20:27 | mechou> | there's you first clue. Some things to work on. |
| 20:27 | * | sfr sets its alarm to ring in.. ugh 5 hours |
| 20:27 | hadees> | tmbg37: i'll teach you the same way my teachers taught me, write towers of hanoi program, it's due wed |
| 20:27 | o_cee> | whoaw, getting late |
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| 20:28 | tmbg37> | mechou, right, but i don't know where to learn that stuff |
| 20:28 | tmbg37> | CfD didn't cover that stuff very well |
| 20:30 | * | o_cee is away: g'night |
| 20:32 | mechou> | heap vs. stack isn't covered very well in any C/C++ books that I know. You'd best learn the difference in a classroom setting, or assembler. |
| 20:33 | tmbg37> | right, but i don't have any classrooms to learn these in |
| 20:34 | mechou> | I don't see why you're so busy in 9th grade. You can always audit a class in community college..... |
| 20:35 | tmbg37> | there are a lot of required courses i have to take, like health, gym, music |
| 20:35 | mechou> | 9 periods, what 8am-4pm, you're done, right? |
| 20:36 | mechou> | prob even 8-3 |
| 20:36 | tmbg37> | i'm in for 8 periods, from 9:30 to 4 |
| 20:36 | tmbg37> | there's a 7-class limit |
| 20:36 | mechou> | sheesh, spoiled brat. You got plenty of "free" time. |
| 20:37 | tmbg37> | i didn't say that i don't have free time, i said that i can't take any additional classes |
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| 20:37 | mechou> | tmbg37: you can audit a class in community college.... |
| 20:38 | tmbg37> | i can take classes at brooklyn college my sophomore year |
| 20:38 | mechou> | well, there you go. by then you ought to be ready.... |
| 20:39 | tmbg37> | but that's a year from now! |
| 20:39 | tmbg37> | also, i think they only have c++ courses |
| 20:39 | tmbg37> | and i'm sticking with c for now |
| 20:39 | mechou> | so, you better take advantage of this year then, like go out with some girl, etc. |
| 20:40 | tmbg37> | ha, i wish |
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| 20:40 | toothpick> | I just wanted to stop in and say WOW one more time. |
| 20:40 | toothpick> | This is awesome. |
| 20:40 | mechou> | next year, put your nose to the grindstone :) |
| 20:43 | toothpick> | I got my tvout working...so using myth on my real tv now. |
| 20:43 | toothpick> | just the sound is coming from my cheap pc speakers though =( |
| 20:44 | mechou> | toothpick: what video card you got? |
| 20:44 | toothpick> | geforce 5200fx |
| 20:44 | toothpick> | and the tvwonder ve |
| 20:44 | toothpick> | for tuner. |
| 20:45 | mechou> | yeah, you should have no prob. w/ tv out then.... |
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| 20:45 | mechou> | I'm not so sure tv wonder is that great a choice, but whatever works.... |
| 20:46 | toothpick> | no but it was cheap. |
| 20:46 | toothpick> | I am sure there are better tuners. |
| 20:46 | toothpick> | Hey Dogboy! |
| 20:46 | toothpick> | I finally got mythtv working. |
| 20:47 | DogBoy> | great |
| 20:47 | toothpick> | After the recording...want to see how close the format is to burn a vcd. |
| 20:47 | DogBoy> | did you use knoppmyth |
| 20:48 | toothpick> | no |
| 20:48 | toothpick> | I installed it on the OSEF installation of knoppix. |
| 20:48 | DogBoy> | what's osef |
| 20:49 | toothpick> | Open Source Education Foundation. |
| 20:49 | DogBoy> | don't know about that one |
| 20:49 | toothpick> | It really is just a modded knoppix for schools. |
| 20:49 | toothpick> | I like it... |
| 20:49 | toothpick> | It doesn't have gcc so after the hd install some apt-getting is necessary |
| 20:49 | DogBoy> | I'm restoring scratched svcds |
| 20:49 | toothpick> | and I think that it installs some knoppix things to the hd that interfere with shutting down. |
| 20:50 | toothpick> | I am anxious to find out what format I am recording in. |
| 20:50 | toothpick> | Recording survivor as my wife is out...and we like that show...even if rupert is not on anymore |
| 20:50 | DogBoy> | you probably want to use nuvexport |
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| 20:50 | brunes> | hey all... do you have to do soemthing special to get myth to use XvMC? |
| 20:51 | toothpick> | I've only ever used nero to burn a vcd. |
| 20:51 | DogBoy> | you still can |
| 20:51 | toothpick> | of course I don't have a burner at home so that is probably why ;) |
| 20:52 | DogBoy> | just convert your show into an mpp that you can use to burn a svcd |
| 20:52 | DogBoy> | mpg |
| 20:52 | toothpick> | and nuvexport converts to mpeg? |
| 20:52 | DogBoy> | yes |
| 20:52 | mechou> | brunes: check settings.pro? |
| 20:52 | DogBoy> | or divx or wmv or whatever |
| 20:52 | toothpick> | ok thanks jotting the name now. |
| 20:53 | DogBoy> | it's a perl script |
| 20:53 | toothpick> | I need go buy a high quality long svideo cable...to run under my crawlspace to the back of my tv...laying across the floor won't cut it. |
| 20:53 | toothpick> | especially with a 3 year and 1.5 year old. |
| 20:53 | toothpick> | I was glad to see myth even records if mythfrontend isn't running. |
| 20:53 | toothpick> | That was great. |
| 20:54 | DogBoy> | it's cool software |
| 20:54 | DogBoy> | that post on slashdot yesterday where so many people were saying "just by a tivo" was annoying |
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| 21:12 | brunes> | ah settings.pro |
| 21:12 | toothpick> | Do you think I should change xfig when I am not using the tv out? |
| 21:12 | toothpick> | or just leave it in twinview mode all the time? |
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| 21:24 | brunes> | so, does XvMC help things? |
| 21:25 | Chiphead> | is there a mythtv-commits archive somewhere? |
| 21:30 | Chiphead> | where would I find the code for the "Watch recording" key map stuff? under qte that screen is sluggish and at times unresponsive. Other screens are fine. |
| 21:33 | brunes> | doesnt XvMC only help in decoding Mpeg2 ? |
| 21:49 | brunes> | bah! |
| 21:49 | brunes> | ok, just wasted 1/2 hour compiling with XvMC support, it ooks like garbage now. So... is there a way I can turn it off without rebuilding again? |
| 21:51 | brunes> | I cant find anything in the mysql settings |
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| 22:06 | rkulagow> | cm: finally! what, are you on the road? looks like you're in a hotel. |
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| 22:12 | brunes> | hey all again... |
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| 22:12 | brunes> | so.. is there any way to turn of XvMC without rebuilding? |
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| 22:16 | dopez> | edit settings.pro, qmake && make ? |
| 22:16 | brunes> | "without rebuilding" |
| 22:17 | jbeimler> | talk on mythtv went really well. quite a few interested parties |
| 22:17 | dopez> | well, if you dont do a make clean it probally wont rebuild much |
| 22:17 | jbeimler> | especially for a guy who still records tv with shell scripts |
| 22:17 | brunes> | you sure I dont need to make clean? |
| 22:18 | dopez> | no |
| 22:18 | dopez> | heh |
| 22:18 | brunes> | no i don't, or no you're not sure? |
| 22:18 | dopez> | not sure.. |
| 22:18 | brunes> | blargh. You should be able to turn this off with a setting |
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| 22:35 | Chutt> | brunes, feel free to submit a patch. |
| 22:37 | bline> | anyone seeing broken stream errors and segfaults in mythbackend with ivtv? |
| 22:38 | Chutt> | not i |
| 22:38 | bline> | hrm |
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| 22:38 | jbeimler> | I did, got a patch and driver help here earlier today... |
| 22:38 | jbeimler> | patch: http://www.poptix.net/ivtv/current/msg00212.html |
| 22:39 | beau> | hrm, so few channel participants tonight.. have there been netsplits? |
| 22:39 | Chutt> | there's 67 fucking people in here. |
| 22:39 | Chutt> | if that's 'few', erm.. |
| 22:40 | beau> | chutt: I stand corrected, my client (epic4) for some reason only showed about 12 when I joined.. bizarre. but thanks. ;-) |
| 22:40 | beau> | it's all set now |
| 22:41 | bline> | jbeimler: you were seeing segv's and ffmpeg errors in the backend log? |
| 22:42 | jbeimler> | yeah, but I screwed the driver up the first time. actually locked the box up too |
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| 22:52 | * | thor_ is thinking he may not be such a fan of /. after all |
| 22:54 | mechou> | thor_: why? just cause ppl express a pref. for tivo? |
| 22:55 | thor_> | signal to noise |
| 22:55 | beau> | perhaps for the lack of infomred accurate opinions (aka signal to noise) imo |
| 22:55 | mechou> | that's always been a prob over there. more like noise to signal.... |
| 22:55 | thor_> | ^ -1 |
| 22:56 | mechou> | thor_: right. |
| 22:56 | SomeoneElse> | heh indeed |
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| 23:03 | jbeimler> | tivo is good if you just want to time shift. |
| 23:03 | jbeimler> | its about $100, and it works right away. |
| 23:06 | beau> | the new pioneer w/ built in dvd-r is interesting but it's price is just too much dough and you still are tied to a mirth of fees for the home network option etc for the same functionality you could get from a mostly free (have to buy sufficient hardware) and flexible system like mythtv |
| 23:07 | beau> | has zap2it ever articulated a position on people scraping their data? |
| 23:09 | jbeimler> | I agree. I wouldn't get a tivo. I want to be able to put the video on my laptop, so I can watch it when I'm not at home, or if I want to hide away for a while |
| 23:10 | beau> | I have both, each has an honest role |
| 23:11 | jbeimler> | if I paid for TV I'd get a tivo. but we just do wireless tv |
| 23:11 | beau> | what does wireless tv mean? |
| 23:11 | beau> | OTA? |
| 23:13 | jbeimler> | yeah, just broadcast |
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| 23:34 | hadees> | has anyone been having problems with the pvr250 where it just stops working, the way i know it happens is either the stuff recorded can't produce a clip or if i try to watch live tv it just goes to a black screen |
| 23:35 | hadees> | i can't find any rhyme or reason to when it occurs |
| 23:35 | hadees> | i thought it might be heat but i don't think it is really that hot for a computer |
| 23:38 | mechou> | hadees: arent you the one with the atech fab case? |
| 23:39 | hadees> | yeah |
| 23:39 | mechou> | and this pvr250 is in the atech case? |
| 23:39 | hadees> | yeah |
| 23:40 | mechou> | well, maybe that's the answer :) |
| 23:40 | mechou> | j/k |
| 23:40 | mechou> | seriously, leave the case open and see if it helps any. |
| 23:41 | hadees> | thats what i am going to do but it still seems like a wierd problem |
| 23:41 | hadees> | because if i restart the computer it starts working right away |
| 23:41 | hadees> | if it were a heat problem wouldn't it not work? |
| 23:41 | mechou> | take a big fan (like for summer) make syre there's plenty of air cirulation blowing across it..... |
| 23:42 | mechou> | s/syre/sure |
| 23:42 | mechou> | hard to say. Does it almost always work when starting cold? |
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| 23:44 | hadees> | well the computer is always on |
| 23:44 | hadees> | how ever when i restart it always works |
| 23:45 | mechou> | that doesn't really prove one way or another....is it ever on standby, hibernate? |
| 23:45 | hadees> | nope... |
| 23:45 | mechou> | so when you restart, it's still "warm?" |
| 23:45 | hadees> | yeah i don't let it cool down or anything |
| 23:46 | mechou> | inconclusive... |
| 23:46 | hadees> | but on the inverse another computer i had heat troulbe with used to work pretty good after a reboot |
| 23:47 | mechou> | does it only not work when watching? |
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| 23:47 | mechou> | i.e does "only record" work more reliably? |
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| 23:48 | hadees> | nope |
| 23:49 | mechou> | npe to which q? |
| 23:49 | hadees> | oh sorry it doesn't work for recording and watching and just recording |
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| 23:49 | beau> | go for the big fan |
| 23:50 | Kuwanger> | Hmm..how do I create a transcoder? |
| 23:50 | hadees> | depends what you want to do |
| 23:50 | hadees> | archive or just use less space on mythtv |
| 23:50 | rkulagow> | captain murdoch: you here? |
| 23:50 | Kuwanger> | hadees: Convert over some videos to save space in mythtv. |
| 23:51 | hadees> | you need to create a transcoding profile |
| 23:51 | hadees> | just like a normal recording profile |
| 23:51 | Kuwanger> | I tried adding a transcoder in the transcoders group (which is empty), but it won't let me edit the profile name and if I go through the wizard to the end nothing is added to the list. |
| 23:52 | hadees> | hmm, i don't remember what i did but it was pretty self explanitory to me |
| 23:52 | hadees> | hehe otherwise i would have remembered hitting my head over and over again |
| 23:52 | hadees> | like the other mythtv problems i had |
| 23:53 | Kuwanger> | Such as? :) |
| 23:54 | hadees> | i had one hell of a time getting my kernel config the way i wanted |
| 23:55 | Kuwanger> | Ah, yea..that's a pain. :/ |
| 23:55 | hadees> | and when i switched over the gentoo there isn't alot of docs for gentoo |
| 23:56 | hadees> | i am still having really hard time with gentoo file permissions |
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| 23:56 | * | Kuwanger only had a problem with gentoo when he tried to deny other access to most everything. :) |
| 23:56 | hadees> | speaking of which does anyone know a good tutorial on devfs |
| 23:56 | mechou> | hadees: why did you choose gentoo? |
| 23:57 | hadees> | i wanted to learn and i like the idea of a system where anything on it i actully installed |
| 23:57 | Kuwanger> | man devfsd |
| 23:57 | * | beau also uses gentoo |
| 23:57 | mechou> | hadees: devfs I think is going by the wayside in 2.6 :) |
| 23:57 | Kuwanger> | udev is much different? |
| 23:58 | hadees> | Kuwanger: i read it, but it doesn't answer some other questions i had |
| 23:58 | mechou> | Kuwanger: no, but is different.... |
| 23:59 | hadees> | like mythtv specifc, i only want the mythtv user to be able to use the tv tuners and i don't know how to do that while keeping the other stuff restricted |
| 23:59 | mechou> | what othe stuff? |
| 23:59 | mechou> | you mean like mythmusic, etc.? |
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