| --- | Log | opened Wed Dec 17 00:00:10 2003 |
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| 00:24 | crib2> | Whatdup all I got xawtv working! |
| 00:24 | crib2> | Had to add the fonts from the fontpack |
| 00:25 | crib2> | and had to add v4l to the #modules section of XF86Config |
| 00:25 | crib2> | but i'm having some color problems |
| 00:25 | crib2> | would anyone who has US Cable and NTSC be willing to send me a copy of their .xawtv file? |
| 00:25 | crib2> | *brb |
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| 01:10 | crib2> | figured it out: adjust color in xawtv by right clicking and adjusting! |
| 01:10 | crib2> | night all |
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| 01:17 | vax> | next door |
| 01:18 | vax> | ... |
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| 02:11 | meth> | when program guide trys to connect to back end i get.. |
| 02:11 | meth> | 2003-12-17 02:10:51 ReadStringList timeout (quick). |
| 02:11 | meth> | QSocketDevice::writeBlock: Invalid socket |
| 02:11 | meth> | 2003-12-17 02:10:51 Error writing stringlist |
| 02:11 | meth> | mysql and backend are started, mysql has proper tables and data |
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| 02:43 | * | meth trys -r1 |
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| 03:11 | Netslayer> | this is odd, when there is a lot of motion or scene change the picture kind of ripples. It's not interlacing, i have that off, it's always near the middle like an image tear, but only for a split second |
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| 03:16 | meth> | man wth |
| 03:16 | meth> | 2003-12-17 03:16:19 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5) |
| 03:16 | meth> | 2003-12-17 03:16:23 ReadStringList timeout (quick). |
| 03:16 | meth> | QSocketDevice::writeBlock: Invalid socket |
| 03:16 | meth> | 2003-12-17 03:16:23 Error writing stringlist |
| 03:16 | meth> | Connection to backend server lost |
| 03:16 | meth> | recompiled -r1 |
| 03:16 | meth> | still fails to connect |
| 03:19 | meth> | screw it ima install .12 |
| 03:19 | meth> | apparently problems with .13 like this on gentoo |
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| 03:41 | meth> | oh joy .12 doesnt work either |
| 03:41 | meth> | but no errors atleast |
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| 04:17 | meth> | now it can connect to the program guide and populate data |
| 04:17 | meth> | tv fails to load |
| 04:17 | meth> | no errors |
| 04:18 | Lad> | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/2269/1/ |
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| 04:25 | hardwired> | good morning |
| 04:26 | sfr> | gruetzi |
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| 04:26 | hardwired> | tach auch |
| 04:27 | hardwired> | while we're at it... sfr, how do you do a mythfilldatabase in germany? |
| 04:27 | * | hardwired is reading about a python script for de and at which sound pretty promising |
| 04:28 | sfr> | hardwired: i'm using bukschs tvmovie grabber <-- a python script |
| 04:29 | hardwired> | ah, yes. i am looking at that right now. should be easily adaptable to ch |
| 04:29 | sfr> | hardwired: is nxtvepg working in ch? i used it in the past |
| 04:30 | hardwired> | dunno... up to now i skipped the whole tv part and concentrated to get the rest of myth working |
| 04:31 | meth> | grr put in my zip code in setup and it freezes |
| 04:31 | meth> | get 4 numbers in and bam |
| 04:31 | * | meth finds the table |
| 04:32 | hardwired> | what sort of powersaving are you using? apm? acpi? none? |
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| 04:32 | sfr> | hardwired: none |
| 04:32 | hardwired> | mmkay. my box gets awfully hot even when idle |
| 04:33 | hardwired> | and it's jammed into the hifi rack, so i dunno if it will live long if it's turned on for days |
| 04:36 | meth> | what table is the zipcode stored in |
| 04:36 | meth> | settings? |
| 04:36 | sfr> | not sure, but i think so |
| 04:37 | meth> | ya not there |
| 04:37 | meth> | erm |
| 04:37 | meth> | to bad the frontend locks up when i add it |
| 04:37 | Rule> | It doesn't |
| 04:37 | Rule> | probably :) |
| 04:38 | meth> | it does |
| 04:38 | meth> | my zip is 47401, i get to 4740 and it stops |
| 04:38 | meth> | cant do anything |
| 04:38 | meth> | gotta ctrlc it |
| 04:38 | Rule> | ah |
| 04:39 | Rule> | I know nothing about the US postal codes :) are they always 5 digits ? |
| 04:39 | meth> | ya |
| 04:40 | meth> | gah does it even store the postal code |
| 04:40 | Rule> | it might just use it to fill the database |
| 04:40 | meth> | ya |
| 04:40 | Rule> | no need to keep it around I guess |
| 04:40 | meth> | tho that should be stored in tv_grab_na.conf |
| 04:41 | Rule> | passed to tv_grab_na maybe ? is there an option ? |
| 04:41 | Rule> | hehe be happy that you have xmltv support :) I have to fill an xml file with the program info and import it :) |
| 04:42 | meth> | ouch |
| 04:42 | meth> | ya im glad xmltv works |
| 04:42 | meth> | hell im glad its still free |
| 04:42 | meth> | im just amazed that i got mythtv to work on redhat and in 6months ive not once gotten tv to work on gentoo |
| 04:43 | Rule> | heh |
| 04:43 | Rule> | didn't take me 6 months on debian... |
| 04:43 | meth> | ya but gentoo > debian |
| 04:43 | meth> | hehe |
| 04:44 | Rule> | :) |
| 04:45 | meth> | how do i remove a source |
| 04:46 | meth> | do you know |
| 04:46 | meth> | video source |
| 04:46 | Rule> | not sure. tried in the settings ? |
| 04:46 | meth> | no option to del |
| 04:47 | meth> | i love it |
| 04:47 | meth> | asshat mythtv # mythtv |
| 04:47 | meth> | connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 |
| 04:47 | meth> | nothing |
| 04:47 | meth> | fuck it |
| 04:47 | meth> | almost 5am ive had enuf lol |
| 04:48 | meth> | back to watching tv with shitty tvtime w/ 2 speakers |
| 04:49 | Rule> | started mythbackend ? :) |
| 04:49 | meth> | ya |
| 04:49 | meth> | i went back to myth .12 too |
| 04:49 | Rule> | eek :) |
| 04:49 | meth> | cause apparently the qt changes in .13 are fucked |
| 04:49 | meth> | doesnt like me |
| 04:49 | Rule> | going back didn't work well for me, unless you start with clean db |
| 04:50 | meth> | ya i redid the db just now |
| 04:50 | meth> | programguide doesnt work cause it has no channels |
| 04:50 | sfr> | meth: local frontend? there's been a fix applied to cvs for similar problems afair |
| 04:50 | meth> | but the tv portion never worked |
| 04:50 | meth> | with chans ant not |
| 04:50 | meth> | sfr, with -r1 as wlel.. still borked |
| 04:50 | meth> | .13-r1 |
| 04:50 | meth> | compiled and installed still failed |
| 04:50 | sfr> | -r1? |
| 04:50 | meth> | .12 fails |
| 04:50 | meth> | thats what its called in portage |
| 04:50 | meth> | its .13 with the patch |
| 04:50 | Rule> | -r1 he means the dbase upgrade fix I guess |
| 04:51 | sfr> | there was another change in cvs |
| 04:51 | sfr> | Rule: the one on the website? |
| 04:51 | Rule> | I don't know for sure, I think so :) I don;t run gentoo |
| 04:52 | meth> | well i dont get why mythtv starts and says connecting and sits at a black screen |
| 04:52 | meth> | even before i went back to .12 |
| 04:52 | meth> | everything was setup correctly |
| 04:52 | hardwired> | the -r1 in gentoo was purely a fix for the tv stuff mentionen on the myth website |
| 04:52 | sfr> | meth: often a black screen is related to audio problems |
| 04:52 | meth> | really? |
| 04:53 | Rule> | lol |
| 04:53 | meth> | audio works fine for me |
| 04:53 | Rule> | that's one for the quotes really :) |
| 04:53 | meth> | in tvtime atleast |
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| 04:53 | sfr> | Rule: which one? ;) |
| 04:53 | sfr> | meth: did you run the xawtv/aplay test? |
| 04:54 | Rule> | "often a black screen is related to audio problems" |
| 04:54 | meth> | i get a pink screen with xawtv |
| 04:54 | Rule> | just looks funny :) |
| 04:54 | sfr> | hehe |
| 04:54 | meth> | aplay works |
| 04:54 | sfr> | meth: hm, it's a long time ago but sounds familiar |
| 04:54 | meth> | o well |
| 04:55 | sfr> | ^^ pink screen |
| 04:55 | meth> | ima remove it |
| 04:55 | meth> | start fresh tomorrow |
| 04:55 | Rule> | I got a pink screen on the epia tvout once |
| 04:55 | Rule> | if you're using that hardware :) |
| 04:56 | meth> | im using a basic ati tv-wonder ve |
| 04:56 | meth> | tvtime works fine |
| 04:56 | meth> | freevo i think even worked |
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| 04:57 | meth> | ya freevo of all things plays tv fine |
| 04:57 | meth> | tho it doesnt record |
| 04:57 | sfr> | HA 'freevo works fine' |
| 04:57 | Rule> | :) |
| 04:57 | sfr> | Rule: another quote |
| 04:57 | meth> | `lol |
| 04:58 | meth> | wowo freevo giving better quality then tvtime |
| 04:58 | Rule> | hmm even "cat" can record :P |
| 04:58 | meth> | i just want mythtv |
| 04:58 | meth> | i goto sleep watching tv and thinking about all the shows i could be recording |
| 04:58 | meth> | mainly that on on comedy central |
| 04:58 | Rule> | lol |
| 04:58 | sfr> | nothing against freevo, i never tried it. thanks to mdz debs i started with myth |
| 04:58 | meth> | what is it called |
| 04:58 | meth> | the cartoon where they make fun of hollywood |
| 04:59 | Rule> | some people dream about world piece... good thing you're realistic and don't aim too high |
| 04:59 | meth> | i started with mythtv for a pvr thing |
| 04:59 | meth> | after a few days got it to work on redhat |
| 04:59 | meth> | but ive not once gotten anything close to working on gentoo with mythtv |
| 04:59 | meth> | and it puzzles me |
| 05:00 | hardwired> | it works pretty good here. some issues tho. |
| 05:00 | meth> | on gentoo? |
| 05:00 | hardwired> | yeh |
| 05:00 | meth> | what you have to do to set it up, anything special? |
| 05:01 | meth> | i emerge it, mythsetup, mythfilldatabase |
| 05:01 | meth> | well add mysql tables |
| 05:01 | meth> | im gonna stick to .12 |
| 05:01 | meth> | i dont get qt errors with it |
| 05:01 | hardwired> | i had use the right kernel version so i could apply lirc patches |
| 05:02 | meth> | lirc for the kernel or myth |
| 05:02 | meth> | my lirc works fine |
| 05:02 | hardwired> | and change some settings in myth between unpack and merge |
| 05:02 | hardwired> | oh yes? what version? and what kernel version? |
| 05:02 | meth> | im off |
| 05:02 | meth> | i cant deal with this lol |
| 05:02 | meth> | gaming-r6 |
| 05:02 | Rule> | I like the sound of the KnopMyth thing |
| 05:02 | meth> | newest lirc |
| 05:02 | hardwired> | ah, ok then, i use vanilla .22 |
| 05:03 | meth> | ah hehe |
| 05:03 | meth> | ya ive been on gamings since day 1 |
| 05:03 | meth> | started with r-3 i think |
| 05:03 | meth> | -r3 even |
| 05:03 | meth> | im off |
| 05:03 | meth> | ill be back in 10hrs to fuck with this crap again |
| 05:03 | meth> | hopefully it decides to work for me |
| 05:03 | hardwired> | Rule: indeed. very promising. but with the current ivtv mess, i think it's impossible for them to make an all-working system |
| 05:03 | hardwired> | at least right now |
| 05:05 | Rule> | what mess ? |
| 05:06 | Rule> | surely they can just merge patches :) |
| 05:07 | hardwired> | heh, sure they can, but it's time consuming to track them all, and i also read that some don't work together (that tarball that is floating around works for that M1xx card, but not for the 350 or so i read) |
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| 05:18 | hardwired> | oh sweet. the local cable tv provider has a frequency list by zip code |
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| 08:15 | dja> | o_cee - you around? |
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| 08:33 | o_c> | ai |
| 08:33 | o_c> | 2 minutes.. |
| 08:34 | o_c> | exam tomorrow, trying to study ;) |
| 08:35 | marc> | if you need today, you're not prepared ;-) |
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| 09:55 | Zeran> | hey all |
| 09:56 | janek> | hi |
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| 10:06 | Zeran> | any pvr350 users here today? |
| 10:06 | marc> | yes |
| 10:07 | sfr> | only the rec part |
| 10:07 | Zeran> | oh cool |
| 10:07 | Zeran> | do you guys use the tv out part of it? |
| 10:07 | marc> | yes |
| 10:08 | Zeran> | do you know if there is any way to adjust the colour/brightness/etc on it? |
| 10:08 | Zeran> | my 350 output is incredibly.. red |
| 10:08 | marc> | mmmh. mine is quite fine. |
| 10:08 | marc> | I would presume the test_ioctl could do that |
| 10:08 | Zeran> | mine may be adjusted incorrectly |
| 10:08 | Zeran> | test_ioctl.. |
| 10:08 | marc> | or your TV set |
| 10:08 | marc> | :-) |
| 10:08 | Zeran> | Well, the TV itself looks fine on a normal signal :) |
| 10:08 | Zeran> | and on the myth GUI, etc |
| 10:09 | Zeran> | (also sent via the tv out) |
| 10:09 | Zeran> | but mpeg output is very red |
| 10:09 | marc> | take a look at what test_ioctl -Y says |
| 10:09 | Zeran> | I thought test_ioctl was for the encoder? |
| 10:09 | marc> | well, yes. that's a point. but if you encode in balanced colors... that helps. |
| 10:10 | Zeran> | I've checked the recordings on another PC.. the colours seem to be fine there |
| 10:10 | Zeran> | its just when they are decoded & output by the pvr that they show up all red |
| 10:10 | marc> | aha |
| 10:10 | Zeran> | very weird |
| 10:10 | marc> | i can see that |
| 10:10 | sfr> | i think it should also work via myth itself, the F1-F8 should do that, but see keys.txt for more |
| 10:10 | marc> | #ivtv-dev |
| 10:10 | Zeran> | well, I know ivtv driver has APIs for setting brightness, saturation, etc |
| 10:10 | Zeran> | but I dont know how to get myth to use them |
| 10:11 | Zeran> | (APIs for setting them on the decoder, I mean) |
| 10:11 | sfr> | i never used tv-out on the pvr350 yet |
| 10:11 | Zeran> | its very good |
| 10:11 | Zeran> | except for the redness :) |
| 10:12 | Zeran> | negligable CPU use, very stable picture.. |
| 10:12 | Zeran> | no overscan related issues or anything |
| 10:12 | Zeran> | mind you I can't compare to much as I've never used another kind of TV out with myth |
| 10:12 | Zeran> | but using TV out on other cards in the past (geforce cards mostly), it seems much cleaner on the pvr |
| 10:14 | Zeran> | so marc you have never had cause to adjust the tv out colour settings? |
| 10:15 | marc> | no, not really. |
| 10:15 | marc> | just comparing direct signal vs time shifted as we speak |
| 10:15 | marc> | it's spot on |
| 10:16 | Zeran> | thats why I am assuming (hoping) some setting is screwed up that I can then adjust :) |
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| 11:06 | sfr> | hm, i think i found a frontend bug. only with entering mythmusic the frontend will still connect to the backend when exiting mythfrontend. i don't think it should do so just for leaving mythfrontend. |
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| 11:11 | sfr> | for compensation, i fixed the segfault when the mp3 encoder was unable to write mp3 data. ;) |
| 11:24 | Crib> | whaddup sfr |
| 11:24 | Crib> | i figured out most of my crap last night, xaw working |
| 11:25 | sfr> | hi Crib |
| 11:25 | Crib> | regarding that font error when starting xaw |
| 11:25 | Crib> | the bytesex guy has a font pack on his page |
| 11:25 | Crib> | install that and you're good |
| 11:26 | sfr> | strange, i didn't need them on debian. |
| 11:26 | Crib> | what kernel |
| 11:26 | sfr> | a wolk kernel based on 2.4.20 |
| 11:27 | Crib> | huh...i have 2.4.22 |
| 11:27 | Crib> | how did you install xawtv |
| 11:27 | Crib> | .deb or tarball? |
| 11:27 | sfr> | apt-get install xawtv . but i use a wolk kernel |
| 11:27 | Crib> | what the hell is that |
| 11:28 | sfr> | iirc working overloaded kernel. basically _lots_ of patches |
| 11:28 | sfr> | sourceforge.net/projects/wolk |
| 11:29 | Crib> | you better let me look that up |
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| 11:29 | Crib> | i don't even know what iirc is |
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| 11:30 | sfr> | if i remember correctly. you need jargon/dict |
| 11:30 | Crib> | is that a program |
| 11:30 | sfr> | yes, so jargon iirc or dict iirc would tell you more |
| 11:31 | Crib> | so i could bullshit better in IRC...awesome |
| 11:31 | Crib> | I'm looking at the sourceforge wolk page. |
| 11:32 | Crib> | I'm not sure I understand the point of it. |
| 11:34 | sfr> | the point is not to have to apply different patches by hand. which can get difficult if they conflict with each other. it's all included in one big patch already. |
| 11:35 | Crib> | are we talking patches for kernel or for applications |
| 11:36 | sfr> | for the kernel. |
| 11:37 | Crib> | OK, i'm really new to linux so this is difficult for me to understand...i'm a win2k sysadmin...I can't conceive of Microsoft realeasing different patches for Windows 2000 server which conflict with each other. |
| 11:38 | GreyFoxx> | Well partially that would be due to one single entity, aka Microsoft, creating all patches which are applied to the OS |
| 11:39 | GreyFoxx> | but if you had 2 people or 10 people that all make their own individual custom patch to do something it wouldn't be too hard for conflicts to arise |
| 11:40 | sfr> | but it can happen if two independent projects start work based on an official kernel, say 2.4.20 and release their s/w as a patch to that kernel. if both projects modify the same 'area' of the kernel to make their software work you cannot use both at the same time (not without sorting out the conflicing parts that is) |
| 11:40 | GreyFoxx> | Exactly |
| 11:40 | Crib> | s/w = software? |
| 11:40 | GreyFoxx> | Unless you can integrate them yourself |
| 11:41 | sfr> | Crib: yes |
| 11:41 | Crib> | ok, so this could be two projects that want to use iptables for example |
| 11:41 | sfr> | not use iptables but maybe extend its functionality, yes. |
| 11:42 | Crib> | right...dick with the underlying iptables stuff in some way |
| 11:42 | Crib> | you guys are good, this actually makes sense |
| 11:43 | GreyFoxx> | So company A: adds or changes a part of Function Y in order to make their product work. But Company B also makes their own patch that modifies Y in a different way and then you end up with a conflict :) |
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| 11:44 | Crib> | My only question is how the hell does WOLK sort that crap out? That would include it would seem some sort of calculus of what projects are worth reconciling even |
| 11:44 | Crib> | and then the actual work must be insane |
| 11:45 | Crib> | so if you run wolk, you only have to get wolk patches...but then you have to keep up on what projects & combinations of projects wolk supports...whoa! |
| 11:45 | GreyFoxx> | Personally I use a vanilla custom compiled kernel. So I wouldn't know :) |
| 11:45 | GreyFoxx> | Sometimes I'll play with the ac patches, but 99% of the time it's the vanilla kernel |
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| 11:46 | sfr> | exactly, many people are happy with a stock kernel. |
| 11:46 | Crib> | GreyFoxx: That is what I do...so I only have to keep up with patches relating to my kernel and the services I run, right? |
| 11:47 | GreyFoxx> | The services you run definately, or at least any that are reachable from outside your box. As for the kernel I only believe in upgrading for a reason. Either because of a security concern, a bugfix or improved functionality |
| 11:47 | Crib> | sfr: Do you use wolk because it makes you more stable, secure, or because it makes your life less complicated. |
| 11:47 | GreyFoxx> | Except for MythTV since I upgrade that every couple days :) |
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| 11:48 | Crib> | I have learned SO much linux in the last couple weeks trying to build a myth box. I think linux projects should come with a difficulty rating. |
| 11:48 | sfr> | Crib: more secure (i lean towards paranoia :)) and less complicated, e.g. the v4l2 is already included in wolk |
| 11:48 | GreyFoxx> | Hehe |
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| 11:49 | Crib> | I feel like I've been to hell just getting xawtv to display tv...I still don't have sound in KDE, and I can't get xawtv to capture frames hehe |
| 11:49 | GreyFoxx> | With time it will be second nature. Trust me :) |
| 11:50 | sfr> | Crib: in generall you should pick a distro with which your friends are already familiar with. |
| 11:50 | Crib> | sfr: how much time do you have to spend keeping up with what is in wolk...it seems as though the documentation in individual projects doesn't address wolk compatibility specifically. |
| 11:50 | Crib> | sfr: I have no linux friends :( |
| 11:51 | sfr> | Crib: i haven't updated my kernel for a few month now. |
| 11:51 | Crib> | It's been a good experience...expanding my global perpsective...learning more about Windows in some ways. |
| 11:51 | sfr> | Crib: which distro are you using now? |
| 11:51 | Crib> | Gentoo |
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| 11:53 | Crib> | sfr: you said earlier "i didn't need them on debian" how can you say you run debian if you run a wolk kernel... |
| 11:53 | sfr> | not sure if it's the right one for a 'beginner'. i use Debian and some say, as a beginner pick a distro that your friends know and if you want know more about the internals later, look at debian. |
| 11:53 | Crib> | the difference between kernel & distro is something i'm unclear on |
| 11:53 | janek> | Crib: you can install any kernel you want on any distro, pretty much ;) |
| 11:53 | sfr> | Crib: the kernel is what makes all user software run. it's not tight to a specific distro |
| 11:53 | janek> | in fact in theory you could completely turn one distro into another by replacing bits of it one at a time |
| 11:54 | GreyFoxx> | A Distrobution is a collection of utilities that a company packages with a a Kernel |
| 11:54 | Crib> | sfr: I'm not a total beginner...I used redhat 8 for a while after it came out but the rpm crap pissed me off after a while. |
| 11:54 | Peitolm> | can mythtv use any output plugins ala mplayer? |
| 11:54 | janek> | a distro is basically just a particular packaging of the kernel together with the system scripts and applications, and a way to install it all and update it |
| 11:54 | Crib> | It's no fun when an rpm doesn't work, and basically every time i wanted an app. i spent all this time hunting down the rpm. |
| 11:54 | sfr> | Peitolm: what kind of plugins? |
| 11:54 | Crib> | Then i realized it wasn't much harder to just install the tarball |
| 11:55 | Peitolm> | sfr output plugins (like um, mga_vid or sdl or whatever |
| 11:55 | Crib> | janek: thx |
| 11:55 | janek> | not much harder to install, but harder to keep track of what you installed and where ;) |
| 11:55 | GreyFoxx> | I never use prepackaged binaries. personally I prefer to compile most everything manually |
| 11:55 | Peitolm> | the non-xv stuff is quite slow, even my 1800XP can't handle it, it's fine with sdl though |
| 11:55 | Crib> | janek: that makes sense, i have no idea how I would install a raw linux kernel...actually i think i could |
| 11:55 | GreyFoxx> | I usually do a minimal Distro install and then compile most everything manually |
| 11:55 | Crib> | that would be hard |
| 11:56 | Crib> | i would have to start with a linux boot disk and fdsik |
| 11:56 | sfr> | Peitolm: well myth itself only does the tv for which Xvideo is used. dvd /video playback is left to an external player like mplayer, xine. |
| 11:56 | Crib> | holy crap that would be like digging a grave with a hand shovel |
| 11:56 | janek> | Crib: actually installing a kernel that you compiled from the official kernel source is surprisingly easy, easier than most applications that you compile yourself as it doesn't have that many dependencies |
| 11:56 | Crib> | janek: i roll my own kernels |
| 11:56 | GreyFoxx> | Crib: I'm acontrol freak. I want stuff where Iwant it and compiled with my specific options |
| 11:57 | janek> | ah, I see what you mean, install linux without the aid of a distro... there are people that do that also, see "Linux from Scratch" |
| 11:57 | GreyFoxx> | And honestly it doesn't take very long if you know what you are doing |
| 11:57 | Crib> | i emerge or compile from source |
| 11:57 | Crib> | no rpms or binary packages here :) |
| 11:57 | Crib> | rpms break |
| 11:57 | GreyFoxx> | A buddy of mine made his own that we used for a while called Navi |
| 11:57 | janek> | useful if you want to know exactly what you installed, and how it all fits together... (but more of an educational experience than anything else I think) |
| 11:57 | GreyFoxx> | I'd do up the compile scripts and init scripts and they'd end up in the next version |
| 11:57 | sfr> | Crib: debs don't ;) |
| 11:58 | Crib> | sfr: i didn't know that. |
| 11:58 | janek> | well, debs can break too if you mess around with experimental packages (well the debs don't break, but you can get strange dependency problems), but then I'd expect the same would be true with gentoo |
| 11:59 | GreyFoxx> | Crib: In the end it all comes down to what you get comfortable using and how much effort you are willing to put in :) |
| 11:59 | Crib> | i'm pretty happy with gentoo so far actually, much happier than with redhat |
| 11:59 | sfr> | sure, as a Debian beginner one should stay away from experimental and unstable anyway |
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| 12:00 | GreyFoxx> | Crib: And it's fun to watch people get into Distro wars :) "My dad can beat your dad up" type stuff :) |
| 12:01 | Crib> | i don't really care for that...i guess i don't know enough about any other distro than the ones i've used |
| 12:01 | sfr> | Chutt: for reference: hm, i think i found a frontend bug. only with entering mythmusic the frontend will still connect to the backend when exiting mythfrontend. i don't think it should do so just for leaving mythfrontend. |
| 12:01 | GreyFoxx> | It's fun to watch because most people who get REALLY into it and all red faced usually don't know what they are talking about :) |
| 12:02 | Crib> | heh |
| 12:02 | Peitolm> | sfr yeah, it's the playback of the mpeg2 recordings that were causing the problem, mplayer -vo sdl was happyish (60% CPU) |
| 12:02 | sfr> | mpeg2? recorded off a pvr card? |
| 12:02 | Crib> | Hey I have an interesting question. After I got xawtv working last night and did the channel scan thing, I was flipping channels, playing with color adjustments and whatnot and I came across THE PORN CHANNEL |
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| 12:02 | Crib> | It is scrambled of course, but it seemed to come through better than on the TV |
| 12:03 | Crib> | I'm curious if there is software for decoding scrambled broadcasts? |
| 12:03 | sfr> | how to decode it? *greedy_green* |
| 12:03 | Crib> | It has to be possible... |
| 12:03 | sfr> | grin, whats green got to do with it. |
| 12:03 | Crib> | I mean it is a computer right? Computers can do anything :) |
| 12:04 | GreyFoxx> | There might very well be software. Depends on the scrambling. They usually just play with the horizontal/vertical sync and leave all audio in tact |
| 12:04 | GreyFoxx> | But I've never actually tried to play with any of them |
| 12:04 | Crib> | sfr knows more than he's telling... |
| 12:04 | sfr> | Crib there was a scrambled channel like this here in the past. and many used a special s/w to watch it without paying. but they changed the encryption recently |
| 12:05 | Peitolm> | sfr, yeah, PVR350, on a remote backend, i'd love to have a hardware decode in the box, but |
| 12:05 | Crib> | Peitolm...so you're saying you need a pvr350 to do the initial decode so you can harness the power of the cpu for descrambling, right? |
| 12:06 | sfr> | Peitolm: why can't you use Xvideo on the frontend then. Myth really prefers Xvideo i think. |
| 12:06 | Crib> | oh sry |
| 12:06 | Crib> | wrong thread |
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| 12:07 | Peitolm> | sfr because Xvideo relies on the graphics card drivers supporting Xvideo, and the matrox ones don't on the second head (TVOUT) |
| 12:07 | Crib> | sfr: i want to know more about stealing cable hehe |
| 12:08 | sfr> | Crib: sorry, i've never done it myself. |
| 12:08 | martman> | sorry for sounding alittle insane, are there any usb hdtv tunners out there that will work with myth/linux? |
| 12:08 | martman> | so of the mini itx look nice |
| 12:08 | martman> | *some |
| 12:08 | sfr> | Peitolm: i have a matrox card set up and working. You have to setup the framebuffer console and tell X to use that. |
| 12:09 | Peitolm> | martman, most mini-itx will fit a hardwarae card |
| 12:09 | Crib> | sfr: no worries :) if it's out there I'll find it. |
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| 12:09 | Peitolm> | sfr oo, i couldn't get that to work, which matrox are you using? |
| 12:09 | martman> | Peitolm yeah, i know. but id like to have picture in picture and the one im looking at only has 1 pci |
| 12:09 | Peitolm> | martman, ah |
| 12:09 | Zeran> | hey guys |
| 12:09 | martman> | yeah, complicates things alittle |
| 12:09 | sfr> | Peitolm: a Marvel G400, basically a G400 with on-board tuner |
| 12:09 | Zeran> | anyone know how to post to the myth dev list? I assume I gotta use email? |
| 12:10 | Peitolm> | martman, remote main picture, and overlay from local board |
| 12:10 | Peitolm> | Zeran, pardon??? a) you need to subscribe b) you need to subscribe c) look on the website, subscription details are on there |
| 12:11 | Zeran> | ahh.. d) thanks |
| 12:11 | martman> | Peitolm not a bad idea, how could i pull something like that off? switching my tv from normal line to mythbox with one remote |
| 12:11 | Peitolm> | sfr could you email me a copy of your X config, along with the matroxset and fbset commands you use? (or even put them on a webopage |
| 12:11 | Peitolm> | martman learning remote? |
| 12:11 | martman> | but what would switch the signals? |
| 12:11 | Peitolm> | martman, i think i'm missing something,.. |
| 12:12 | sfr> | Peitolm: a webpage, but that's where i got mine from. Joking, what's your mail address |
| 12:12 | martman> | lol, i think i am Peitolm |
| 12:12 | martman> | Peitolm i was thinking, i have a cable line, tv and myth |
| 12:12 | martman> | Peitolm have some kind of switych going |
| 12:12 | martman> | so when i want to watch one thing and record another the myth box gets its own cable |
| 12:12 | Peitolm> | i see |
| 12:12 | martman> | and mmy tv gets a seperate cable line |
| 12:13 | martman> | and id need something to switch the coax around for me |
| 12:13 | martman> | but not sure how to pull that off |
| 12:13 | martman> | or if thats what you were thinking |
| 12:13 | Peitolm> | why? have the cable feed going into two mythbackends |
| 12:13 | Peitolm> | :) |
| 12:13 | Peitolm> | s'what i'm going to do |
| 12:13 | martman> | lol, 2 boxes?! |
| 12:14 | martman> | that would be nice and nerdy but not enough cash for that |
| 12:14 | martman> | would be kind of kool though... |
| 12:14 | martman> | myth cluster :) |
| 12:15 | Peitolm> | martman, i shudder to think and how much \xA3\xA3 i'm going to be spending on hardware for myth over the next couple of months |
| 12:15 | martman> | lol, yeah. thats just with normal stuff too! what about hdtv stuff |
| 12:15 | Crib> | peitolm: do you have the basic s yet? |
| 12:15 | martman> | thats what im worried about |
| 12:15 | martman> | and weather linux will support the hdtv stuff |
| 12:16 | Peitolm> | Crib, i have one mythbackend, 1x120gig drive |
| 12:16 | martman> | could be fun :) |
| 12:16 | Crib> | basics: box & cheap card |
| 12:16 | Peitolm> | pvr-350 in the master backend |
| 12:16 | Crib> | peitolm: and you're going to spend more, damn |
| 12:16 | Peitolm> | going to build a raidded NFS box for storage, buy a Hush-itx for the front room, a 250, or a 350 for that |
| 12:17 | Crib> | what is a hush-itx |
| 12:17 | Peitolm> | and then look at seeing if i can get a feed from the sattelite dish outside my window |
| 12:17 | martman> | thats what i want too, seperate data storgae box |
| 12:17 | Crib> | you guys are insane |
| 12:17 | martman> | but im still going tro give the mini alot of hdd space for encoding for tv |
| 12:17 | Peitolm> | hush-technologies mini-itx silent, box, http://www.mini-itx.com |
| 12:17 | martman> | and have the server for movies and a long term storage.... |
| 12:18 | Crib> | *shakes head |
| 12:18 | Crib> | i need a better job iguess |
| 12:18 | martman> | lol, im still debating on raid 2(maybe its 3...) or a 0+1 |
| 12:18 | Peitolm> | Crib, yeah, i'm doing consultancy to buy these toys |
| 12:18 | Peitolm> | martman, software raid 5 |
| 12:18 | martman> | i think 0+1 would be easier and no rebuild time.... |
| 12:18 | Crib> | actually right now, i think i'd be elated and feel like i'd just finished a marathon if i could just get myth working! |
| 12:18 | Peitolm> | going for 6x120gig drives :) |
| 12:19 | Crib> | it's that awesome huh, that once you get it working you want to expand it hehe |
| 12:19 | martman> | Peitolm o, thanks. can never keep them straight.... |
| 12:19 | martman> | Peitolm what about rebuild time? |
| 12:19 | Peitolm> | martman, you could have raid 2 and raid 3 if you wanted, they all do different things |
| 12:19 | Peitolm> | martman, what rebuild time |
| 12:19 | Peitolm> | if a drive dies, a drive dies |
| 12:19 | martman> | umm, isnt 5 where it mirrors and strips |
| 12:19 | Peitolm> | i'll take the whole array offline whilst it rebuilts |
| 12:20 | Peitolm> | martman, nope |
| 12:20 | martman> | O |
| 12:20 | Crib> | God this is straight lunatic fringe shit |
| 12:20 | Peitolm> | stripeis 0, mirror is 1 a mirrored par of stripes is 1 +0 |
| 12:20 | Peitolm> | raid 2 is some wierd propreitry stuff |
| 12:20 | Peitolm> | raid 3 is similar |
| 12:21 | martman> | i was thinking 1+0 just so theres no rebuild time. is it that bad(rebuilding)? |
| 12:21 | martman> | havnt heard much, just that with hardware it can take awhile... |
| 12:21 | Peitolm> | raid for is parity with dedicated drives, raid 5 is distrubeted parity |
| 12:21 | Peitolm> | martman rebuild times are a function of speed of cpu and dries |
| 12:21 | Peitolm> | drives |
| 12:22 | Peitolm> | obviously the way you raid has an impact, but i'm not sure how they rank |
| 12:22 | martman> | o, ok. cant be that bad then |
| 12:22 | Peitolm> | i'm aiming for maximum useable space, with resilience |
| 12:22 | martman> | Peitolm anychance you have a idea for my 1 pci slot problem? |
| 12:22 | Peitolm> | your 1+0 will give you 1/2 the total disk space, with a fair chunk of cpu usage |
| 12:23 | Peitolm> | martman, um, nope, other than another mythbox, |
| 12:23 | martman> | really? it will need alot of cpu time for file copies? |
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| 12:23 | martman> | harware raid is probally out, so this is either a software raid or some kind of quick script ill do |
| 12:24 | Peitolm> | martman, will,for every file write, it has to be written twice |
| 12:24 | martman> | yeah, but disk io is cpu intensive? |
| 12:24 | Peitolm> | you could have 2 striped raid sets, and write only to one, then have a background rsync process |
| 12:24 | Peitolm> | disk io on ide is, scsi is less so, a lot depends on the speed of the processor, |
| 12:25 | Peitolm> | i recommend you read the software-raid HOWTO on http://www.tldp.org/ |
| 12:25 | martman> | lol, probally going to be a 1.3 ghz duron...i cant get many decent used comps around here so ill just get a cheap one from tigerdirect |
| 12:25 | martman> | cpu and mobo is like $100 |
| 12:27 | martman> | so no usb tunners are supported now? um hate to0 ask this but myth for windows? :) |
| 12:27 | martman> | alittle evil i know.... |
| 12:28 | Peitolm> | i'm considering trying to get it to build,... i have no idea if it will |
| 12:28 | Peitolm> | martman the rule is, if videl4linux supports it, myth should, i'd check http://www.video4linux.org or whatever and see if they have a hardware compatibility list |
| 12:30 | martman> | thanks videl4linux, maybe ill have this in a month or so |
| 12:31 | martman> | haha, solaris drivers, thats evil and i love the idea :) |
| 12:31 | Peitolm> | http://www.exploits.org/v4l/ appears to suggest that there are cameras with supported chips |
| 12:31 | Peitolm> | so there's no reason that it couldn't be possible |
| 12:31 | Peitolm> | i may give it a go over christmas, get myself one, and see what chips are in it :) |
| 12:32 | martman> | lol |
| 12:32 | martman> | i also have to see if i can get a usb thingy to give me digital out, want this to be my new stereo too |
| 12:32 | martman> | i need a usb sb 5.1...... |
| 12:33 | Peitolm> | extigy |
| 12:33 | Peitolm> | no idea if there are linux drivers though |
| 12:33 | martman> | there nice, but i could just pipe plan old digital to a real reciever |
| 12:33 | Peitolm> | most mini-itx have a soundcard, just make sure you could get a spdif :) |
| 12:33 | martman> | lol |
| 12:35 | martman> | http://pvrusb.sourceforge.net/ looks promising |
| 12:35 | martman> | 'This page contains an experimental Linux 2.4 driver for the Pinnacle Bungee and the Hauppauge WinTV PVR USB' |
| 12:35 | martman> | nice for mini itx people.... |
| 12:37 | Peitolm> | oooo |
| 12:38 | martman> | no hdtv.... |
| 12:38 | sfr> | i doubt hdtv will work via usb, maybe usb 2 |
| 12:40 | * | martman wishes chipset would be in every spec page..... |
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| 13:50 | hardwired> | y0 |
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| 14:00 | hardwired> | hey cesman |
| 14:01 | cesman> | hey hardwired |
| 14:01 | cesman> | what is your email address? |
| 14:01 | cesman> | my logging was off when you sent it... |
| 14:02 | hardwired> | cesman: so i'll let the mirror as it is? cause you didn't link it yet |
| 14:02 | cesman> | yes, you can leave the mirror I'll link it shortly |
| 14:03 | hardwired> | ah ok |
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| 14:17 | sfr> | Peit|Home: == Peitolm ? |
| 14:29 | Peit|Home> | aye |
| 14:29 | Peit|Home> | :) |
| 14:29 | sfr> | got my mail? |
| 14:30 | Peit|Home> | nope |
| 14:30 | Peit|Home> | one sec |
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| 14:41 | hardwired> | ahw fsck |
| 14:41 | hardwired> | my video playing is broken |
| 14:41 | hardwired> | or rather alsa is |
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| 14:58 | nchip> | do precompiled frontends for m$ windows exist? |
| 14:58 | sfr> | no |
| 14:59 | nchip> | at least I got a clear answer :) |
| 14:59 | sfr> | iirc there might be a viewer or s/t similar available. search the ml archive |
| 14:59 | sfr> | i don't remember exactly what it was about ;) |
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| 15:05 | nchip> | looks like there is a .nuv support for m$ |
| 15:06 | nchip> | that's probaly enough for my flatmate, as he can set recordings in web and I can share the videodir with samba |
| 15:06 | sfr> | nchip: ah, that explains it :). aren't you a dd? |
| 15:07 | nchip> | yeah |
| 15:07 | nchip> | altough not a very active one :/ |
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| 15:13 | hardwired> | uhh, now i have to patches for mplayer to output to the pvr... argh |
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| 15:21 | sfr> | Chutt: hi! Is it possible to call a verify function to check user input from a settings entry before saving it in the db? |
| 15:22 | kvandivo_> | verify in what way? |
| 15:25 | Chutt> | generally, it's best to make the selection widget limit the users choices to valid ones, then |
| 15:25 | sfr> | i mad a patch to store files in mythmusic only relative to the music directory and right now check for atrailing / in different places. |
| 15:25 | Chutt> | i'm going to start unsubscribing people from mythtv-users that continue posting about ivtv problems. |
| 15:26 | bma> | howdy chutt |
| 15:27 | bma> | Chutt: so I'm considering getting a pvr250 or something ... something wrong with the drivers for it? |
| 15:27 | bma> | or just PEBKAC |
| 15:27 | Chutt> | there's some minor bugs |
| 15:27 | Chutt> | that can sometimes require a driver reload |
| 15:27 | Chutt> | i'm just pissed that everyone posts about it on _my_ mailing list |
| 15:27 | Chutt> | and not the ivtv-devel list |
| 15:28 | bma> | is there a better card to use? |
| 15:28 | Chutt> | naw |
| 15:28 | Chutt> | it generally works fine :p |
| 15:28 | bma> | for as much as they cost, I would hope so. |
| 15:28 | Chutt> | it's just driver issues |
| 15:29 | Chutt> | nothing wrong with the hardware |
| 15:29 | hardwired> | huh, still no crash with that dvd playing... weird :) |
| 15:29 | bma> | I installed 0.13 yesterday, considering setting up a 'ghetto tivo' :P |
| 15:29 | bma> | on a related note, it would be nice if mythweb would still show me program information even if it can't connect to mythbackend |
| 15:29 | Chutt> | yeah |
| 15:29 | Chutt> | but, that's where it gets the scheduling information from |
| 15:30 | bma> | well then, have mythbackend not die when there's no tuners |
| 15:30 | Chutt> | heh |
| 15:30 | Chutt> | ya ya |
| 15:30 | bma> | slacker :p |
| 15:30 | Chutt> | mythbackend's not useful when there's no tuners |
| 15:30 | hardwired> | the video play command... does it get the file to play as argument? |
| 15:30 | bma> | I just named a use for it |
| 15:30 | bma> | looking at program information |
| 15:30 | Chutt> | run mythepg as a separate program |
| 15:30 | sfr> | but that won't work for a user-entered path i think. all i wanted is to check for a trailing / and remove it as i'll add it myself when building the complete path. but a/b//nirvana/blah will work just the same ;) |
| 15:31 | bma> | instead of using zap2it's crappy website |
| 15:31 | Chutt> | sfr, i don't think there's a way, but ask mdz when he's around |
| 15:31 | sfr> | Chutt: ok. he wrote most of the settings stuff? |
| 15:32 | Chutt> | yeah |
| 15:32 | Chutt> | all of it, really :p |
| 15:33 | sfr> | that reminds about something: it'd be easier to locate the original/main author if everyone just add it's name in the files he contributed |
| 15:33 | Chutt> | would be |
| 15:33 | Chutt> | i'm just not in the habbit of doing big headers at the tops of files |
| 15:33 | hardwired> | what's different in the player handling with mythdvd vs mythvideo? my dvds play just fine while mpegs give me alsa errors when playing and are choppy therefore |
| 15:33 | bma> | Chutt: how well would a wintv go card work with an xp2000? |
| 15:33 | Chutt> | hardwired, absolutely nothing |
| 15:34 | sfr> | Chutt: no problem. for files without headers i'll simply bug you |
| 15:34 | Chutt> | bma, well, if you're using the machine for other purposes |
| 15:34 | Chutt> | you really want a hardware encoder |
| 15:34 | Chutt> | sfr, heh, you can just use cvs :p |
| 15:34 | Chutt> | cvsweb |
| 15:35 | hardwired> | Chutt: so myth has not much to do with both of them? everything is handled by the external player? |
| 15:36 | Chutt> | yes. |
| 15:36 | hardwired> | ok thx |
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| 15:51 | sfr> | Chutt: do only classes inherited from QWidget have the tr function used for translations? |
| 15:52 | Chutt> | i think so |
| 15:52 | Chutt> | or from QObject |
| 15:52 | Chutt> | that's why the QObject::tr stuff in the settings code |
| 15:55 | mdz_> | sfr: hmm? |
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| 15:56 | sfr> | is there an 'easy' way of making tr known in most classes, like NuppelVideoPlayer? reason being that in linguist the QObject list of strings grows and grows. |
| 15:57 | Chutt> | mdz, he wants to do some validation of lineedit settings before dumping them in the db |
| 15:57 | sfr> | mdz_: hi! Is it possible to call a verify function to check user input from a settings entry before saving it in the db? |
| 15:57 | mdz_> | it would be easier to validate it when it's set in the class |
| 15:57 | mdz_> | better feedback to the user that way, too |
| 15:58 | Chutt> | sfr, well, have to make the class inherit from QObject and add a Q_OBJECT macro to the class definition in the header file |
| 15:58 | mdz_> | so when you fix it up, they see the changed value |
| 15:58 | Chutt> | but that makes qt make moc_ files for it |
| 15:58 | Chutt> | and increases compile time, so, i dunno 'bout going through and doing that for everything |
| 15:59 | sfr> | Chutt: well it's not really a big deal. |
| 16:01 | Chutt> | your mythmusic patch looks good |
| 16:01 | Chutt> | you want a debug verbose level? |
| 16:02 | sfr> | i just noticed some debugging_only functions in mythmusic that cout stuff. i left them as is but wondered wether a debug level makes sense. |
| 16:02 | Chutt> | yeah, probably |
| 16:06 | sfr> | and i just remembered mgetty's logging logic: they use levels of severity. so error > warning > notice > debug in order of importance. sounds simpler to me (well, now) than a growing list of logging options |
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| 16:08 | cocoduck_> | hey all |
| 16:09 | sfr> | mdz_: but by checking the input right in the settings screen a pop-up/whatever could inform the user 'the path is invalid/ mythtv can't write to it, Please correct' or am i missing something? |
| 16:09 | nchip> | apart from the seriously hard-to-remember long list of kebindings, mythtv appears rock seriously |
| 16:09 | cocoduck_> | im having some trouble getting my PVR250 to work on mythtv, im using knoppmyth. Can anyone please offer some help i would really appreciate it |
| 16:09 | mdz_> | sfr: nothing is saved to the database until the user dismisses the dialog |
| 16:09 | hardwired> | nchip: map them to a remote, then they are easy to remember :) |
| 16:09 | mdz_> | so doing it when it is saved to the database seems less desirable than just doing it as soon as the user changes the value |
| 16:10 | hardwired> | cocoduck_: there is also #knoppmyth |
| 16:10 | nchip> | huge cudoz to everyone who has made this possible! |
| 16:10 | sfr> | mdz_: but it could be checked for sanity before moving on to the next screen. |
| 16:10 | cocoduck_> | hmm there are 5 people in there |
| 16:11 | cocoduck_> | in the MythTV setup, they ask me to choose which video device it is the default is "/dev/video" how do i check if this is right. I am pretty much shure that the car is working, i just dont know which it is "/dev/video" "or /dev/video0" and so on.... |
| 16:11 | cocoduck_> | im using a PVR 250 |
| 16:11 | nchip> | hardwired: Actually I have a irman here - it just appears broken |
| 16:11 | mdz_> | sfr: things are set up so that the value of the setting is independent of any particular UI, so if you want to do validation, you should do it in a UI-independent way |
| 16:11 | mdz_> | above it sounds like you wanted to check for trailing slashes |
| 16:11 | mdz_> | I would just put in a hook to remove any trailing slash |
| 16:12 | mdz_> | the user will see what happened immediately and there is no need to have a prompt or dialog or anything like that |
| 16:12 | nchip> | hardwired: test_io from libirman works the first time I plug it in, never after :/ and lirc/irw never recieved enything from it |
| 16:13 | sfr> | mdz_: ah, ok. is there such a lineedit setting that does correct a users entry i can have a look at? |
| 16:13 | hardwired> | nchip: bummer... my hauppauge remote worked almost out of the box |
| 16:13 | mdz_> | sfr: no, I don't think anything does that right now |
| 16:13 | mdz_> | what I would do is create a directory setting |
| 16:14 | mdz_> | override setValue to do the correction |
| 16:14 | mdz_> | and have things htat are supposed to be directories inherit from that |
| 16:14 | nchip> | hardwired: have pity on us with budget cards :P |
| 16:14 | mdz_> | don't worry about the UI (lineeditsetting); it will be independent of that |
| 16:14 | mdz_> | so you could have a combo box that's also supposed to be a directory with a trailing slash |
| 16:15 | hardwired> | nchip: even the cheapo hauppauge cards have ir receivers :) |
| 16:15 | sfr> | mdz_: you mean a new widget? |
| 16:15 | mdz_> | sfr: no, a new setting class |
| 16:16 | mdz_> | no widgets or any UI components involved |
| 16:16 | mdz_> | look at pathsetting for example |
| 16:16 | sfr> | mdz_: sorry for the dumb questions, i haven't actually looked very hard at that code yet. so i'll look for the settings classes |
| 16:16 | mdz_> | in fact it does a little bit of what you want |
| 16:17 | mdz_> | pathsetting enforces the restriction that the specified path must exist |
| 16:17 | mdz_> | it's a selector so it works through addSelection |
| 16:18 | sfr> | mdz_: thx, i'll have a look |
| 16:21 | sfr> | mdz_: has the pathsetting been there forever? i seem to remember (maybe around 0.8) that i could specify non-existing directories for the ringbuffer or recordings directories. |
| 16:24 | mdz_> | sfr: it's been there for a long time |
| 16:24 | mdz_> | but not forever |
| 16:24 | mdz_> | sfr: note that there's a boolean flag to say whether or not it has to exist |
| 16:24 | mdz_> | so the particular setting decides whether a nonexistent path is OK or not |
| 16:24 | sfr> | i see |
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| 16:32 | sfr> | any objections against naming new musics ripps 01, 02... instead 1, 2...? |
| 16:33 | Chutt> | nope |
| 16:33 | sfr> | i don't like how ls 'messes' the ordering in a terminal ;) |
| 16:34 | Chutt> | heh |
| 16:36 | kvandivo_> | wow 12 feet away from the tv. my room isn't that large |
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| 16:37 | Chutt> | tv's too small for how far away the couch is |
| 16:37 | kvandivo> | i've been seriously considering a projector |
| 16:37 | Chutt> | i want one |
| 16:37 | kvandivo> | give me about 80 inches or so |
| 16:37 | Chutt> | i'm in the process of finishing my basement |
| 16:37 | Chutt> | and i really wanted to put a projector down there |
| 16:37 | Chutt> | but i don't think it's going to work out :( |
| 16:38 | kvandivo> | i'm going to have to just put it in the living room. i'm planning some nice curtains, though, that should block out light |
| 16:38 | Chutt> | not enough room for the screen and the requisite speakers |
| 16:38 | kvandivo> | and i've already got the room wired for 5.1.. |
| 16:38 | Chutt> | heh, the deal with my wife was that we'd finish the basement if i moved the tv + stereo downstairs =) |
| 16:38 | kvandivo> | best buy has the infocus X1 now, so i might pick one up some time and try it out |
| 16:38 | kvandivo> | i figure that makes a good starter projector |
| 16:39 | kvandivo> | nothing super fancy, but definitely more than a plain tv |
| 16:39 | kvandivo> | forcing you to move the tv to the best viewing location in the house.. bummer |
| 16:39 | sfr> | Chutt: that she called a deal? finish the basement and you can have a home cinema there? |
| 16:39 | Chutt> | we have a small-ish house :p |
| 16:40 | kvandivo> | how big is smallish? |
| 16:40 | Chutt> | 1100 sq ft or so |
| 16:40 | kvandivo> | i think i'm at about.. 1250 sq ft, with no basement |
| 16:40 | Chutt> | biggest thing about the basement is the big support poles |
| 16:40 | kvandivo> | wish i had one, but they are extremely uncommon in this part of the country |
| 16:41 | kvandivo> | (no hills, no drainage. rough on basements) |
| 16:41 | sfr> | people, even the UK moved to metric measures! what's that in sqare meters? |
| 16:41 | kvandivo> | well, divide it by 9, sfr. :) |
| 16:41 | Chutt> | i just couldn't come up with a workable floorplan for a projector + seating + 7.1 =) |
| 16:41 | Chutt> | oh well |
| 16:41 | kvandivo> | there's always the next house, right? |
| 16:41 | sfr> | *blush* merci kvandivo |
| 16:41 | Chutt> | yup |
| 16:42 | hardwired> | sfr: lol |
| 16:51 | bma> | mdz_: there's several bugs in the mythtv-common postinst |
| 16:51 | bma> | namely: adduser --quiet --system --group --disabled-password --system \ |
| 16:51 | bma> | adduser --quiet mythtv video |
| 16:51 | bma> | adduser --quiet mythtv audio |
| 16:52 | bma> | first line shoudl be removed, next two should be 'addgroup' |
| 16:52 | mdz_> | bma: why do you think it is wrong? |
| 16:53 | bma> | well, becuase it errors out? |
| 16:53 | mdz_> | works fine here |
| 16:53 | bma> | didn't yesterday for me |
| 16:53 | mdz_> | and for everyone else |
| 16:53 | mdz_> | those addusers should absolutely not be addgroups. they are correct |
| 16:53 | mdz_> | the adduser invocation is also correct as far as I can tell |
| 16:53 | bma> | It was giving me a syntax error yesterday. |
| 16:54 | mdz_> | perhaps if you showed me the error I would be able to see what is wrong |
| 16:54 | kvandivo> | just guess, mdz :) |
| 16:54 | bma> | heh. |
| 16:54 | bma> | mdz_: maybe I had something screwy earlier. If it works for other people, I'll accept that |
| 16:55 | bma> | alls i knows is that it bombed miserably for me when I was working on it this morning :) |
| 16:55 | mdz_> | bma: do you have an old version of adduser or something? I'm pretty sure all those options are ancient, though |
| 16:55 | bma> | mdz_: "It's working now" </pebkac> |
| 16:55 | hadees> | i like superadduser |
| 16:56 | hadees> | nice script |
| 16:56 | Chutt> | all i want is updated kde debs :( |
| 16:56 | bma> | Chutt: whine, whine :) |
| 16:56 | bma> | Chutt: I thought of another user for mythbackend on the drive home ... have it stream out stuff from mythvideo and the like :) |
| 16:56 | hadees> | anyone here have AverMedia M179 working? |
| 16:56 | Chutt> | mythbackend only does tv stuff |
| 16:57 | rkulagow> | hadees: yes. |
| 16:57 | bma> | I suppose if I wanted a central movie location I could nfs mount something |
| 16:57 | Chutt> | that's the idea =) |
| 16:57 | mdz_> | hadees: what does it do that adduser doesn't? or will I be sorry I asked? |
| 16:58 | hadees> | rkulagow: where did you get the patch for ivtv? i thought i am using the most up to date one but mythtv stoped workin after i patched my ivtv driver |
| 16:58 | Chutt> | ooh, the kde cvs deb guy said 'an update in the next 1-2 days' 2 days ago |
| 16:58 | Chutt> | so maybe i'll get new debs soon |
| 16:58 | mdz_> | what's new and interesting in CVS? |
| 16:58 | hadees> | mdz_: nothing really, i was having adduser problems and i used superadduser it worked |
| 16:58 | mdz_> | not that I use kde |
| 16:58 | Chutt> | betas 1 and 2 =) |
| 16:58 | kvandivo> | ya, and we are going to have $1,000 7inch think plasma screens next christmas, too |
| 16:59 | rkulagow> | hadees: why, from the bundle that i put together that incorporated a bunch of patches that were floating around the ivtv list. |
| 16:59 | rkulagow> | hadees: try http://www.smalltime.com/bob/ivtv-cvs-latest+1125A+M179+close_stream.tar.bz2 |
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| 17:01 | kvandivo> | nice |
| 17:01 | kvandivo> | i'll give that a try myself |
| 17:01 | kvandivo> | is close_stream andiun's patch? |
| 17:02 | kvandivo> | anduin, i meant |
| 17:02 | Chutt> | yes |
| 17:02 | hadees> | i wonder how long before M197 is in the offical source |
| 17:02 | kvandivo> | nifty. i never actually had the tinny audio problem myself (must have missed the problem commit) but its nice to know it apparently is fixed |
| 17:02 | hadees> | i got two of them from that ebay deal |
| 17:04 | kvandivo> | Chutt, you still having the 0 byte recordings, or has that been taken care of as well? |
| 17:04 | Netslayer> | what's a good guide to follow to install a pvr250? myth docs 22.1 "pvr250 hardware mpeg2 encoder" know any others? |
| 17:04 | kvandivo> | ivtv.sf.net comes to mind |
| 17:04 | hadees> | Netslayer: you mean just to install pvr250 and the driver? |
| 17:04 | Netslayer> | ya |
| 17:04 | hadees> | check out the faq on ivtv.sf.net |
| 17:04 | Netslayer> | do i have to patch the kernel? |
| 17:04 | Netslayer> | k |
| 17:04 | Chutt> | kvandivo, haven't recorded anything |
| 17:05 | hadees> | not unless you really want v4l2 support |
| 17:05 | kvandivo> | :) |
| 17:05 | hadees> | Netslayer: how ever you need to make sure you have the right modules installed |
| 17:05 | hardwired> | Netslayer: especially the tuner.o |
| 17:05 | Netslayer> | i believe everything under the vl4, etc in the kernel is in there |
| 17:05 | hadees> | Netlsayer: if you have problems while doing the ivtv stuff asked questions in #ivtv-dev this channel is for mythtv stuff |
| 17:05 | Netslayer> | k |
| 17:06 | Netslayer> | aigh't |
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| 17:41 | cocoduck_> | how do i get to mythweb? |
| 17:43 | sfr> | cocoduck_: what do you mean? |
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| 17:45 | Netslayer2> | anyone know what would cause image tearing on the screen? In motion scenes, or where there is a lot of color change the top 1/3 of the screen quickly tears. I have de-interlacing on, but it's also in mplayer (mythvideo).. any ideas? i'm getting this on two computers |
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| 19:47 | CodyB> | I wish the lirc documentation didn't just breeze right over to dealing with lircd.conf, etc. I can't even get lircd to run at all, no matter which modules I load, it's: "lircd 0.7.0pre2: there's no hardware I can use and no peers are specified," yet it works A-OK in Windows. |
| 19:47 | CodyB> | And /dev/lirc/lirc0 does exist. |
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| 19:55 | Netslayer2> | anyone here? |
| 19:55 | Netslayer2> | is that Xv bug fixed :-P? i just was playing with it and my hue went to 0, and i can't change it now |
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| 19:57 | Chutt> | it's not broken. |
| 19:58 | hadees> | Chutt: if the ivtv driver was messed up but loaded could that screw up mythbackend? |
| 19:58 | Chutt> | sure |
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| 19:58 | hadees> | it keep quiting on me, and only since i updated the ivtv driver for AverMedia M179 |
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| 20:14 | Netslayer2> | ok just wondering how do i adjust hue or any of the options under F? |
| 20:15 | sfr> | after query('SELECT filename from musicmetadata') can i change the filename via a db_conn->exec call from inside a 'while (query.next()) loop? |
| 20:17 | sfr> | the idea is to update the musicmetadata table such that the filename column is being changed from an absolute pathname to a relative one |
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| 20:31 | Chutt> | sfr, think you'll want a different query object |
| 20:32 | Chutt> | but you should be fine, otherwise |
| 20:34 | sfr> | which means? ;) can a QSqlQuery query("blah") also be used for an UPDATE query? you used db_conn->exec in mythtvs dbcheck afaics |
| 20:34 | sfr> | ok, answered my own question |
| 20:35 | sfr> | it can. |
| 20:37 | sfr> | or did you mean to define a 2nd QSqlDatabase db_conn2 for the update? |
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| 20:45 | Chutt> | naw, i just meant a second QSqlQuery (query2) or whatnot |
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| 20:46 | crib2> | hey ya |
| 20:46 | crib2> | what's up all anyone around? |
| 20:46 | sfr> | Chutt: ah, ok. |
| 20:46 | crib2> | sfr: you live here heh |
| 20:47 | crib2> | I have xawtv working, got audio working now too...should I try to install mythtv now |
| 20:47 | sfr> | i'll only stay a little longer today. only 5 min. until this code is tested. |
| 20:48 | sfr> | crib2: you created an .xawtrc file with all your channels? makes it easier later on |
| 20:49 | crib2> | I'm not sure, I ran something to make it scan for channels, but it looks like the output file is .xawtv |
| 20:50 | crib2> | let me slocate |
| 20:50 | sfr> | crib2: could be. simple look at the file |
| 20:51 | crib2> | lots of entries in .xawtv that look like this: |
| 20:51 | crib2> | [unknown (49)] |
| 20:51 | crib2> | channel = 49 |
| 20:51 | crib2> | capture = on |
| 20:51 | crib2> | color = 99% |
| 20:51 | crib2> | bright = 99% |
| 20:51 | crib2> | hue = 96% |
| 20:51 | crib2> | contrast = 99% |
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| 20:52 | sfr> | see s/t like: [ARD] |
| 20:52 | sfr> | channel = E5 [another]<CR>channel = E9? |
| 20:52 | sfr> | yeah thats it, better to also set up the channel names. are you in the US? |
| 20:53 | crib2> | yep |
| 20:53 | crib2> | i configured the channel names on a few of them...it was an afterthought... |
| 20:53 | crib2> | the only thing is, i can't grab frames |
| 20:54 | bma> | is there something special you have to do to get mythdvd to transcodes thing to the correct aspect ratio? |
| 20:54 | sfr> | then i think you don't actually need xawtv ;) the US system is quite different. xmltv contains everything you need _i think_ |
| 20:54 | crib2> | with xawtv...when i start with the noxv option i get a black window...i'mpretty sure that is because of the nvidia drivers |
| 20:54 | crib2> | so since i can't grab frames with xawtv, will i still be able to record? |
| 20:54 | crib2> | right on ... sfr are you not in the us? |
| 20:55 | Chutt> | grabdisplay doesn't work? |
| 20:55 | sfr> | crib2: No sir. i'm in good old Europe |
| 20:55 | crib2> | Grab Image (jpeg) |
| 20:55 | crib2> | and Record movie (avi) dont' work |
| 20:55 | sfr> | crib2: but can you watch tv with it? |
| 20:55 | crib2> | ain't the internet cool :) |
| 20:55 | crib2> | yeah, watching right now |
| 20:56 | sfr> | then you should be fine i believe |
| 20:56 | crib2> | had to figure out how to fix the color settings |
| 20:56 | crib2> | yeah i *think* i read that the issue is that i can't start with the noxv option because of the nvidia drivers, and that xawtv needs xv to frame grab (it can't use the v4l driver) for that |
| 20:57 | sfr> | so for the channel setup, a proper set up of mythtv / xmltv might be enough in your case. but try the xawtv/aplay test to check audio recording |
| 20:58 | crib2> | xawtv/aplay test? |
| 20:59 | sfr> | look at www.mythtv.org in the docs section for details. it's a test wether recording from your soundcards dsp is working. mythtv _needs_ this working |
| 20:59 | Teflon--> | okay time to go add more disk space to my myth box. |
| 21:00 | crib2> | awesome...i figure i'm 30% there :) |
| 21:01 | crib2> | you know if you figure time in, the mythbox is MUCH more expensive than a Tivo hehe |
| 21:02 | sfr> | there is no Tivo |
| 21:02 | bma> | there is in my house. :) |
| 21:02 | sfr> | and a mythtv box as well? |
| 21:02 | bma> | nope |
| 21:02 | bma> | well, not one that does TV stuff |
| 21:03 | bma> | I wouldn't mind one, but it's too spendy |
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| 21:12 | cocoduck_> | is it hard to get my IR Blaster working with knoppmyth? |
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| 21:21 | Teflon--> | now preparing to move my root filesystem... "rsync -avzHSWx / . |
| 21:21 | Teflon--> | " |
| 21:27 | mikegrb> | {standard input}:11644: Error: unknown pseudo-op: `.se' <- globalsettins.cpp :< |
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| 21:28 | Chutt> | mikegrb, ran out of ram, i'd bet =) |
| 21:28 | mikegrb> | ahhh |
| 21:28 | mikegrb> | thanks for the pointer |
| 21:28 | mikegrb> | probably |
| 21:28 | mikegrb> | that is a big one |
| 21:29 | mikegrb> | and this is on the xbox with only 64mb of ram |
| 21:29 | mikegrb> | removing the -pipe option might help? |
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| 21:30 | Chutt> | possibly |
| 21:31 | Chutt> | or just setup a bunch of swap |
| 21:32 | mikegrb> | hmm |
| 21:33 | mikegrb> | I'll try that next |
| 21:33 | mikegrb> | I'll run free and see what it says |
| 21:33 | cocoduck_> | could somone please help me get LIRC working for an IR Blaster? i would really appreciate some help, i have gotten this far and i am about to give up |
| 21:33 | Chutt> | cocoduck, there is a lirc mailing list |
| 21:33 | mikegrb> | but right now I have 240mb of swap free |
| 21:34 | Chutt> | ah, well, i dunno |
| 21:34 | mikegrb> | we shall see |
| 21:34 | mikegrb> | it is going down quite quick |
| 21:34 | mikegrb> | wife has been yelling at me because mythweb and backend don't match |
| 21:34 | mikegrb> | :) |
| 21:35 | mikegrb> | so I figured might as well update frontend/backend at same time |
| 21:35 | cocoduck_> | thanks Chutt i checked out some guides but they were a bit confusing, i have only been using linux for a short time, and i used knoppmyth to install it |
| 21:35 | Chutt> | the mythtv irc channel isn't a tech support place for lirc |
| 21:36 | cocoduck_> | Chutt sorry i just thought it was relative because i am using it for MythTV |
| 21:36 | mikegrb> | cocoduck_: the channel is for developmet rather then support |
| 21:36 | mikegrb> | hence it not being mentioned on the website |
| 21:36 | cocoduck_> | ohh my bad |
| 21:37 | cocoduck_> | sorry guys |
| 21:38 | mikegrb> | Chutt: down to 46 mb of swap |
| 21:38 | mikegrb> | thanks for the suggestion |
| 21:38 | mikegrb> | was searching google and didn't really turn up much |
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| 21:59 | sfr> | Chutt: one more question, is the frontend supposed to connect to the backend even when only starting mythmusic? i does so whenever one wants to exit mythtv |
| 22:02 | Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:02 | Chutt> | that's the stuff to decide if it should offer you the option to shut the machine down or not |
| 22:02 | Chutt> | it's checking to see if there's a backend on the same machine |
| 22:03 | sfr> | ah ok. i never used a slave backend |
| 22:04 | mikegrb> | Chutt: it ran out of ram with the -pipe removed |
| 22:05 | mikegrb> | added another 256 mb of swap |
| 22:05 | mikegrb> | will see how that goes |
| 22:08 | sfr> | the musicmeta table upgrade seems to work. i'll clean it up and _may_ add support for a musicdir per host. |
| 22:08 | Chutt> | that'd be cool. |
| 22:09 | Chutt> | it'd also be neat to add a media-id or whatever to that table |
| 22:09 | Chutt> | for better data cd support |
| 22:09 | sfr> | media-id? like mp3, ogg... |
| 22:09 | Chutt> | naw, like an id for a specific CD |
| 22:10 | Chutt> | say you have a bunch of CDs with songs on it |
| 22:10 | Chutt> | on them |
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| 22:10 | Chutt> | be nice to have them in the database |
| 22:10 | Chutt> | and have it be able to prompt you for the disc |
| 22:10 | Chutt> | or find it if it's in a different drive or whatnot |
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| 22:11 | sfr> | so that would be a user-defined id per cd? i guess the cddb id stuff gives too many duplicates |
| 22:12 | Chutt> | well |
| 22:12 | sfr> | or actually not. i had single mp3 files in mind which give false duplicates with p2p soft |
| 22:12 | Chutt> | if there's a disc id on there, use that |
| 22:12 | Chutt> | else, it could generate one |
| 22:13 | Chutt> | hash the first so many bytes of data off the drive |
| 22:13 | Chutt> | don't worry 'bout it =) |
| 22:13 | Chutt> | i'm just babbling |
| 22:13 | sfr> | i don't. i'm too tired. ;) |
| 22:14 | Chutt> | is that guy working on your streaming code? |
| 22:14 | sfr> | how's thor doing? no, he wanted to start with the gui/high-level stuff. like adding another tree like the cd entry |
| 22:15 | Chutt> | thor's on vacation, i believe |
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| 22:17 | sfr> | last bit from me: i sent a small update to the latest translations for the status page. forgot them in my first patch. |
| 22:17 | sfr> | speaking about the devil ;) |
| 22:17 | thor__> | ugg |
| 22:17 | thor__> | I'm in hell |
| 22:17 | Chutt> | oh, nevermind then |
| 22:17 | Chutt> | hey thor |
| 22:18 | thor__> | hey |
| 22:18 | sfr> | chatting off a beach on hawaii? |
| 22:18 | thor__> | I'm pirated in on an 802.11b network with WinXP |
| 22:19 | thor__> | (still haven't really figured out how dhcp works) |
| 22:19 | thor__> | heh |
| 22:19 | thor__> | not hawaii |
| 22:19 | thor__> | (beirut) |
| 22:19 | sfr> | haven't you been there a few month ago? |
| 22:20 | thor__> | yup |
| 22:20 | thor__> | my better half is Lebanese |
| 22:20 | sfr> | Ohh |
| 22:20 | thor__> | great for relaxing, bad for connectivity |
| 22:21 | sfr> | i know Beirut only from the bad news back in the 80's? |
| 22:21 | thor__> | great city ... very liberal |
| 22:22 | thor__> | Chutt, anything I should be worrying about ? |
| 22:24 | sfr> | wth are you chatting at 5:30? 04:30 is already insane. |
| 22:24 | thor__> | major jet lag |
| 22:24 | Chutt> | nope |
| 22:24 | Chutt> | everything's going smoothly |
| 22:24 | thor__> | ... travelling with my daughter ... |
| 22:25 | thor__> | cool |
| 22:25 | thor__> | so I'm just pluggin away on the mfd/httpd/DAAP/etc. stuff |
| 22:26 | sfr> | talk to you later. me --> bed. g'night |
| 22:26 | Chutt> | cool. |
| 22:26 | thor__> | I hope nobody sync'd to the stuff I sent in before I left |
| 22:27 | Chutt> | heh |
| 22:27 | Chutt> | broken? |
| 22:27 | thor__> | a big stinking pile of C-style char[] copies |
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| 22:28 | thor__> | it's getting better now |
| 22:28 | thor__> | vector's, etc. |
| 22:29 | Chutt> | cool |
| 22:30 | thor__> | but that reminds me of an open (Chutt?) question ... if I have a list of "things" that could all be ref'd off of an integer, is a QTIntDict the best place to store them? |
| 22:30 | thor__> | (metadata) |
| 22:30 | thor__> | sfr, night |
| 22:33 | Chutt> | thor, i dunno |
| 22:33 | Chutt> | possibly |
| 22:34 | thor__> | this goes back to the GenericTree stuff |
| 22:34 | Chutt> | if the ints are sequential, then just a vector is better |
| 22:34 | thor__> | what's the best way to get data back from a container |
| 22:34 | thor__> | ? |
| 22:34 | Chutt> | data back from a container? |
| 22:35 | thor__> | well .. |
| 22:35 | thor__> | in mythmusic ... |
| 22:35 | thor__> | you have AllMetadata |
| 22:35 | thor__> | and you can ask it for details |
| 22:35 | thor__> | but I don't think it's very efficient right now ? |
| 22:36 | Chutt> | i dunno |
| 22:36 | thor__> | cool |
| 22:37 | Chutt> | are you talking about the MusicMap? |
| 22:37 | thor__> | obviously sorting the same tree 8 times isn't efficient :-) |
| 22:37 | thor__> | but if one were to try and begin to rationalize these sorts of things .... |
| 22:38 | thor__> | I'm guessing that a QIntDict is a good way to do lookups (pass an int, get a very fast response) |
| 22:39 | Chutt> | QMap should be pretty fast |
| 22:39 | thor__> | ok |
| 22:40 | thor__> | seen slashdot today? |
| 22:41 | Chutt> | today? |
| 22:41 | Chutt> | not really |
| 22:44 | thor__> | the whole "on-line music stores" thing .... heh .... push zeroconfig content and your venture/device/service/etc. will work just fine with mythmusic |
| 22:46 | thor__> | also |
| 22:47 | mikegrb> | Chutt: upping swap to around 500mb got it :) |
| 22:48 | Chutt> | heh |
| 22:48 | thor__> | for the libdvdread/md5 universal checksum database ... and the on again/off again reccomendation database ... I'm tempted to just go ahead and pay the money for chutt.com |
| 22:48 | mikegrb> | seems odd though |
| 22:48 | mikegrb> | it didn't go anywhere beyond the initial swap |
| 22:48 | mikegrb> | having the extra space just made it feel more comfortable |
| 22:49 | mikegrb> | I didn't even reboot or change running applications |
| 22:49 | mikegrb> | oh well |
| 22:49 | mikegrb> | thanks again for the ointer |
| 22:49 | Chutt> | thor, heh |
| 22:49 | mikegrb> | pointer rather |
| 22:49 | thor__> | major brand ? |
| 22:50 | Chutt> | i didn't think it used that much ram |
| 22:55 | thor__> | any thoughts on the (long term potential value) of the MFD lgpl interface? |
| 22:56 | Chutt> | nope |
| 22:56 | thor__> | heh |
| 22:57 | thor__> | any thoughts on consulting the myth "API" to OEM's ? |
| 22:58 | Chutt> | nope |
| 22:58 | thor__> | heh |
| 22:59 | thor__> | any thoughts on a network resource that provides metadata to myth users ? |
| 22:59 | Chutt> | if it'd make you happy, just make it gpl :p |
| 22:59 | Chutt> | i can't write such a thing |
| 23:00 | thor__> | heh |
| 23:00 | thor__> | it's holidays here |
| 23:00 | thor__> | just thinking about alternatives .... |
| 23:01 | thor__> | but you're screwed |
| 23:01 | thor__> | no reccomendation |
| 23:01 | thor__> | no central server |
| 23:01 | thor__> | no intelligence |
| 23:02 | thor__> | it's a friggin curse |
| 23:03 | thor__> | ... sorry .. that may have cut a bit too close to the bone ... |
| 23:05 | * | thor__ is sensing that Chutt is (vaguely) f**ing pissed off ... |
| 23:05 | kvandivo> | how's beirut? |
| 23:06 | thor__> | excellent |
| 23:06 | kvandivo> | temperature this time of year? |
| 23:06 | thor__> | around 20 |
| 23:06 | thor__> | (C) |
| 23:06 | kvandivo> | nod |
| 23:06 | kvandivo> | not bad.. not bad.. |
| 23:06 | thor__> | yup |
| 23:07 | thor__> | and you? |
| 23:07 | thor__> | where are you? |
| 23:07 | kvandivo> | what's it _like_ there? soldiers with machine guns on the streets, or more normal, or what? |
| 23:07 | thor__> | no |
| 23:07 | kvandivo> | illinois here. about 25 (F) right now |
| 23:07 | Chutt> | me? |
| 23:07 | Chutt> | naw, i'm just doing something else :p |
| 23:07 | thor__> | yup |
| 23:08 | * | thor__ and yup |
| 23:08 | * | thor__ ok |
| 23:08 | thor__> | kvandivo, not many soldiers ... |
| 23:08 | thor__> | but my wife's brother is in the army ... |
| 23:09 | kvandivo> | mandatory over there? |
| 23:09 | thor__> | so even when there are soldiers ... |
| 23:09 | thor__> | blah blah blah |
| 23:09 | thor__> | standard story |
| 23:09 | thor__> | uhm |
| 23:09 | thor__> | not like Israel (male & female), but mandatory for men |
| 23:09 | kvandivo> | nod |
| 23:10 | kvandivo> | 2 years? |
| 23:10 | thor__> | 9 months |
| 23:10 | kvandivo> | wow.. not very long |
| 23:10 | thor__> | pretty easy |
| 23:11 | kvandivo> | what's the general mood? they happy and loving life? think that america should disappear? think that france is cool? or what? |
| 23:11 | thor__> | standard lebanon mood .... |
| 23:11 | kvandivo> | :) |
| 23:11 | thor__> | Iraq was bad |
| 23:11 | thor__> | Iran was bad |
| 23:11 | thor__> | Israel is bad |
| 23:12 | thor__> | America is bad |
| 23:12 | thor__> | let's have another coffee |
| 23:12 | kvandivo> | :) |
| 23:12 | thor__> | great for vacation |
| 23:12 | thor__> | hopeless place to accomplish anything |
| 23:13 | kvandivo> | you near the water? |
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| 23:14 | thor__> | I can see the Mediterranean from where I am sitting |
| 23:14 | kvandivo> | nice! |
| 23:14 | thor__> | yup |
| 23:14 | kvandivo> | how big is beirut, anyway? you actually in the city, or just near there? |
| 23:15 | thor__> | downtown |
| 23:15 | thor__> | about 3 million (?) |
| 23:15 | thor__> | nobody knows |
| 23:15 | thor__> | the christians are in power |
| 23:16 | thor__> | and they don't want to do a census |
| 23:16 | kvandivo> | i'm just reading about that.. |
| 23:16 | kvandivo> | Beirut is now home to nearly half of Lebanon's population; estimates exceed 1.5 million for the city. The figure is inexact, however, since the last census for Lebanon was conducted in 1932. |
| 23:16 | thor__> | heh |
| 23:16 | kvandivo> | The Druze.... neat name |
| 23:17 | thor__> | they are very cool |
| 23:17 | thor__> | excellent religion |
| 23:17 | kvandivo> | i love learning little bits and pieces about other places. I really haven't had that much of an opportunity to travel, and I like to live vicariously through others. :) |
| 23:17 | thor__> | heh |
| 23:18 | thor__> | no lessons here |
| 23:18 | thor__> | Lebanon is a disaster |
| 23:18 | thor__> | Canada is a success |
| 23:20 | kvandivo> | you had a chance to see the cedars of lebanon? and do they look any different than cedar trees anywhere else? |
| 23:22 | thor__> | they're just cedars |
| 23:22 | thor__> | but there are fewer of them here |
| 23:22 | kvandivo> | which makes the ones that _are_ there more special |
| 23:22 | kvandivo> | i see.. |
| 23:22 | kvandivo> | figures.. |
| 23:23 | thor__> | well .. yeah ... biblical ... etc. |
| 23:23 | thor__> | nice trees |
| 23:23 | thor__> | would be nicer if the Lebanese managed to keep more of them around |
| 23:24 | kvandivo> | i guess that is the cash crop around there |
| 23:24 | thor__> | nope |
| 23:24 | thor__> | ganja |
| 23:24 | meth> | why in mythsetup when i add my zip code mythtv freezes |
| 23:24 | thor__> | meth, just wait a while ... |
| 23:25 | meth> | few mins? |
| 23:25 | thor__> | yiup |
| 23:25 | thor__> | yup |
| 23:25 | meth> | k |
| 23:25 | thor__> | maybe 20 |
| 23:25 | meth> | is it looking up the zipcode? |
| 23:25 | kvandivo> | ahh a psychedelic.. interesting stuff. |
| 23:25 | kvandivo> | well, anyway, go somewhere neat and learn something new for me while you are there. |
| 23:25 | thor__> | yup |
| 23:26 | thor__> | meth, patience |
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| 23:56 | crib2> | ne1 around |
| 23:59 | kvandivo> | do you mean 'Anyone around?' ? |
| 23:59 | kvandivo> | we try to speak in something akin to english here. |
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