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| 03:54 | shamoun> | i am having some trouble getting video4linux to work |
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| 03:59 | juju> | hi everyone |
| 03:59 | juju> | how hard is it to add new encoding codecs to mythtv? |
| 04:02 | shamoun> | juju, impossible |
| 04:02 | shamoun> | just kidding |
| 04:03 | shamoun> | i am not running myth, just here for video4linux help |
| 04:24 | Misirlou> | juju: Which codecs were you thinking about? |
| 04:25 | juju> | divx |
| 04:25 | shamoun> | juju, divx is not good for real time encoding |
| 04:25 | juju> | I mostly use the 'vcr' program, which uses the avifile lib, which supports divx |
| 04:26 | shamoun> | but for conversion, libav and xvid both provide superior quality, and they are both mpeg4 |
| 04:26 | juju> | I see. |
| 04:28 | Misirlou> | I wonder whether Theora can pull off real-time encoding. |
| 04:33 | juju> | so what settings would be best for a |
| 04:34 | juju> | whoops.. wrong window. :) |
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| 10:09 | Matt> | ok |
| 10:09 | Matt> | gave up trying to fix the source |
| 10:22 | Matt> | into the realms of dirty hack now |
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| 10:31 | Matt> | hmm |
| 10:31 | Matt> | thought I'd cracked it there for a moment, but alas, no |
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| 10:41 | Rroet> | hello |
| 10:41 | Rroet> | any1 tried the new epia hw mpeg decoding drivers already ? |
| 10:44 | Zeran> | nope |
| 10:44 | Zeran> | but the pvr350 mpeg decoding drivers are working well for me on an epia |
| 10:44 | Zeran> | the recent patches are great |
| 10:44 | Rroet> | mm.. |
| 10:45 | Rroet> | I have a pvr250 |
| 10:45 | Rroet> | so I need to get that hw mpeg decoding running. |
| 10:45 | Rroet> | ivor posted patches 2 days back, I'm compiling everything now to test them again. |
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| 11:44 | Rroet> | Zeran: ..... it's working !! |
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| 11:49 | Zeran> | nice |
| 11:49 | Zeran> | good work |
| 11:53 | Rroet> | Yeah.. I'm friggin' happy |
| 11:53 | Rroet> | it's working on gentoo |
| 11:53 | Rroet> | yet it has a load of work to be done.. I'm getting an AWFULL load of prebuffering pauses from mythtv |
| 11:53 | Rroet> | they're causing the stuttering in the mpeg2 stream I'm getting from the ivtv card. |
| 11:54 | Rroet> | http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=49053&STARTPAGE=1 |
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| 12:29 | crib2> | sfr you around? |
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| 12:29 | sfr> | crib2: yeah |
| 12:30 | crib2> | cool... thanks for the help yesterday. i was able to correct the picture's vsync and hsync by using v4lctl setnorm NTSC |
| 12:31 | sfr> | great, and setting myth to NTSC doesn't work? odd. |
| 12:31 | crib2> | if you had not told me i never would have found it |
| 12:31 | crib2> | i believe i set myth to NTSC during the .setup or thereafter |
| 12:31 | crib2> | is there somewhere i can verify that setting? |
| 12:31 | crib2> | using v4lctl setnorm NTSC is flaky |
| 12:32 | crib2> | i sometimes have to call it more than once...i don't see a pattern yet. the test recordings i made from myth last night are still messed up |
| 12:33 | crib2> | but viewing is ok. |
| 12:33 | crib2> | i need to figure out how to declare it globally. actually before i asked your help yesterday i spent some time looking through the myth menus to find where to set NTSC but i couldn't find it. |
| 12:33 | sfr> | crib2: my setup is broken right now, but it's set with the setup progr. iirc. just find where it's being set and verify it is set to NTSC, that's all. |
| 12:34 | crib2> | what is an iirc? |
| 12:34 | crib2> | Oh wait.. |
| 12:34 | crib2> | it means as far as i know or something |
| 12:34 | sfr> | ...remember, yes |
| 12:35 | crib2> | do you know what file the setup program generates? |
| 12:35 | crib2> | so i can look at it directly? |
| 12:35 | sfr> | all setting are stored in the db |
| 12:36 | crib2> | oh, f that, i know no sql |
| 12:36 | crib2> | i'll just re-run it |
| 12:36 | crib2> | thx |
| 12:36 | crib2> | actually one more question though... |
| 12:36 | crib2> | can i put something like |
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| 12:37 | crib2> | well v4lctl is not a module. basically how can i run v4lctl setnorm ntsc at startup or put setnorm NTSC in a config file for v4l or something? |
| 12:38 | sfr> | hm, you might be able to abuse the external channel-changing script option. |
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| 12:38 | crib2> | over my head...no worries |
| 12:39 | sfr> | it's meant to change channels on external tuners like satellite tuners using a script that sends the needed IR commands |
| 12:40 | crib2> | so what's wrong with your box |
| 12:40 | [iago]> | can anyone comment on the quality of the mythtv gentoo port? |
| 12:41 | sfr> | i upgraded to cvs without updating the setup programm on my master backend |
| 12:41 | crib2> | iago-the mythtv install docs suggest it is fine |
| 12:41 | crib2> | iago-but i run gentoo and i built from the tarball |
| 12:41 | crib2> | iago-so i would understand the underlying componentry |
| 12:42 | [iago]> | crib2: thanks, i'm rebuilding my home server (hopefully turn it into a myth box) and am planning on dumping debian |
| 12:42 | crib2> | iago: i've never messed with debian |
| 12:42 | crib2> | iago: but i like gentoo, and the community is pretty good |
| 12:44 | [iago]> | crib2: debian is great |
| 12:44 | sfr> | [iago]: why dump debian? |
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| 12:47 | crib2> | sfr: if mythfrontend is not running, will scheduled recordings still occur? |
| 12:47 | [iago]> | sfr: no longer pogammin' for a living, i want more recent GUIs and whatnot, i'm still goingto use it as a firewall/vpn, but no longer as a desktopish machine |
| 12:47 | sfr> | as long as your backend is up, sure. |
| 12:48 | sfr> | [iago]: i see |
| 12:48 | [iago]> | sfr: not for political reasons either :) |
| 12:49 | sfr> | although sid works nicely here (knock on wood :)) |
| 12:49 | [iago]> | sfr: yeah, and mythtv devel is done on sid, which i actually had mythtv working on before the machine got uh...'reassigned to work' :) |
| 12:50 | sfr> | hehe |
| 13:00 | dja__> | anyone else having problems with the latest CVS? I (and at least one other :-) seem to be having troubles -- when I go into "Watch Recordings", it reports back that there aren't any...(and yes, I'm running the same version of mythbackend and mythfrontend -- I only have one machine :-)... |
| 13:02 | sfr> | i've seen someone mention it, yes. not sure if it's already resolved. |
| 13:07 | dja__> | I updated to the latest (as of 15 minutes ago), didn't seem to fix it. :-( |
| 13:08 | * | marc_ is away: dinner |
| 13:08 | dja__> | anyone else get "Result: mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert ..." on the System Status page? Even though everything seems to be fine? |
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| 13:36 | o_cee> | dja: you wanted to talk to me the other day? |
| 13:36 | dja__> | just wanted to say wow -- my wife and I really like gant (although I'm not sure how valuable our opinion is since we also like visor, but gant is now our favorite) :-) |
| 13:37 | dja__> | any thoughts on an OSD? |
| 13:37 | o_cee> | heheh, thanks :) the version that's on the page at the moment is pretty old |
| 13:37 | dja__> | you'll have to get it updated. :-) |
| 13:37 | o_cee> | not really, no.. using the osd theme of sasquatch, really like it |
| 13:37 | o_cee> | yeah, i'm working on it ;) |
| 13:38 | dja__> | hmm -- haven't checked that one out -- I'll give it a try (after I do some more debugging, having 2 odd problems right now...:-( |
| 13:38 | sfr> | dja__: until o_cee comes up with an osd, have a look at sasquatsch, yeah a duplicate now |
| 13:38 | dja__> | :-) |
| 13:38 | o_cee> | :) |
| 13:38 | sfr> | i didn't wanted to have it written for nothing ;) |
| 13:38 | o_cee> | heheheh |
| 13:39 | dja__> | yeah, I hate it when someone types faster than me...:-) |
| 13:39 | dja__> | (or thinks faster than me :-) |
| 13:40 | sfr> | http://www.juergenkirsten.de/Pinguine.gif :) |
| 13:41 | dja__> | that's great :-) |
| 13:47 | crib2> | sfr: still around? |
| 13:48 | sfr> | crib2: yup |
| 13:50 | crib2> | sfr: still same weird problem - when i start mythtv up, say on a fresh reboot, the picture is f'd. so i run v4lctl setnorm NTSC, that fixes the picture on run: mythtv, mythfrontend-> watch tv |
| 13:51 | Rroet> | any mythtv devs in here ? |
| 13:51 | crib2> | However, when I record a show the picture is messed in the same weird way. |
| 13:52 | sfr> | might be the backend initialeses the tuner before starting a recording. |
| 13:52 | Rroet> | I'm working on getting via epia hw mpeg decoding working with mythtv |
| 13:53 | crib2> | hmm |
| 13:53 | sfr> | crib2: what tuner card do you have exactly? |
| 13:53 | Rroet> | I almost have it, but the immage is stuttering. |
| 13:53 | crib2> | anyway i can get the backend to pass those options to the tuner? |
| 13:53 | crib2> | It says Hauppage WinTV NTSC 44801 Rev D110 |
| 13:54 | crib2> | Chipset says 878 |
| 13:54 | crib2> | Rroet: nice |
| 13:55 | sfr> | crib2: i don't know, i'm not at all familiar with mythtv's code. i'm only messing a bit with mythmusic :) |
| 13:55 | crib2> | eh, bummer |
| 13:56 | crib2> | Maybe Rroet knows? |
| 13:56 | crib2> | He seems like he's doing quite a bit of hacking on mythtv |
| 13:56 | crib2> | Rroet: when i start mythtv up, say on a fresh reboot, the picture |
| 13:56 | crib2> | is f'd. so i run v4lctl setnorm NTSC, that fixes the picture on run: mythtv, mythfrontend-> watch tv |
| 13:56 | crib2> | [11:11:50] <crib2> However, when I record a show the picture is messed in the same weird way. |
| 13:56 | crib2> | any ideas? |
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| 13:58 | Rroet> | ehm.. ok.. was doing laundry, lemme read up. |
| 13:58 | Rroet> | ehm.. how is it fucked up ? |
| 13:59 | Rroet> | as in vibrating image ? |
| 13:59 | crib2> | oh right...sry, I had told sfr before |
| 13:59 | Rroet> | what type video card do you use ? |
| 13:59 | crib2> | the colors are all screwed, there is a horizontal black bar 3/4 down the screen, below which is displayed what should be the top |
| 13:59 | crib2> | images have a double |
| 14:00 | crib2> | hard to describe |
| 14:00 | crib2> | but xawtv did the same thing before i set the .xawtv file and told it NTSC |
| 14:00 | Rroet> | hehe, what video card do you have ? |
| 14:00 | crib2> | I re-ran the ./setup file and told it myth NTSC |
| 14:00 | crib2> | but no dice |
| 14:00 | Rroet> | did you run mythsetup and put everything into NTSC ? |
| 14:00 | crib2> | 11:14:45] <crib2> It says Hauppage WinTV NTSC 44801 Rev D110Haup |
| 14:00 | crib2> | sorry, no Haup on the end |
| 14:01 | Rroet> | crib2: videocard is something different from tv-capture card |
| 14:01 | Rroet> | or do you have a PVR350 ? |
| 14:01 | crib2> | Oh sry |
| 14:01 | crib2> | The video card is on board Nvidia GeForce2 MX |
| 14:02 | Rroet> | mm.. I presume you loaded the newest nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel for your distribution. |
| 14:02 | crib2> | For sure. |
| 14:02 | Rroet> | that could seriously f00k up the machine if it isn't. |
| 14:02 | Rroet> | ok. |
| 14:02 | crib2> | The sticking point to me seems to be the NTSC thing |
| 14:02 | crib2> | because I saw the same symptoms with xawtv |
| 14:03 | crib2> | and running v4lctl setnorm NTSC fixes viewing live tv in myth, just not recording |
| 14:03 | Rroet> | ok, as you have an hauppauge, you're prolly using the ivtv modules ? |
| 14:03 | crib2> | negative, bttv |
| 14:03 | Rroet> | ahh.. there goes my abillity to support.\ |
| 14:03 | crib2> | This is a card witht th bt878 chipset |
| 14:03 | Rroet> | I have an pvr250 card. |
| 14:03 | Rroet> | with the ivtc-15 chipset. |
| 14:04 | crib2> | No worries. |
| 14:04 | crib2> | I'll get it figured out. |
| 14:04 | Rroet> | mmm.. but for bttv, did you download the latest patches ? |
| 14:04 | Rroet> | http://bytesex.org/bttv/ |
| 14:04 | crib2> | I believe so, not sure |
| 14:04 | sfr> | crib2: did you see the post (from Matt i think) to the -users list? i didn't read carefully but could be the same problem |
| 14:04 | crib2> | I mean I just built it last week. |
| 14:05 | crib2> | sfr, no I couldn't find it. |
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| 14:05 | sfr> | it was posted two days ago at most. |
| 14:05 | crib2> | I'm not really familar with how to search newsgroup archives |
| 14:05 | Rroet> | k.. just a sec.. rest of laundry is waiting. |
| 14:05 | crib2> | Well that should narrow it down |
| 14:05 | crib2> | heh thx |
| 14:06 | sfr> | crib2: you should subscribe to mythtv-users anyway |
| 14:06 | crib2> | will that flood me with mail? |
| 14:07 | crib2> | it's kind of useless if you get so many messages you can't read all of them |
| 14:08 | sfr> | well, this channel isn't meant for user support you know. |
| 14:08 | crib2> | huh? really? what's it meant for? is there another one i should be in? |
| 14:09 | sfr> | developement discussions. user support is purely optional |
| 14:09 | crib2> | Sorry, I didn't know that. |
| 14:10 | crib2> | Well, I didn't think anyone was obligated to help me, but I didn't know where else to go. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the list archives aren't searchable. |
| 14:10 | sfr> | no, they are. |
| 14:11 | crib2> | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ |
| 14:11 | crib2> | I am there, I don't see a search button |
| 14:12 | sfr> | right off www.mythtv.org -> lists: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Users_F11/ |
| 14:12 | crib2> | Sweet, I bookmarked it. Thanks. |
| 14:13 | crib2> | Gonna go get my learn on. |
| 14:13 | crib2> | Found it: |
| 14:13 | crib2> | Record defaulting to PAL vice NTSC |
| 14:14 | crib2> | awesome thanks. |
| 14:15 | crib2> | Yep, exact same problem. |
| 14:16 | Rroet> | I hope the userlists help you ;) |
| 14:16 | Rroet> | it did with me.. and still does.. :) |
| 14:16 | crib2> | Thanks. |
| 14:16 | crib2> | I'm sure it will. Wealth of knowledge here. |
| 14:17 | crib2> | It looks like the problem just cropped up in .13. If all else fails, maybe I roll back to .12 |
| 14:19 | Rroet> | yes.. |
| 14:19 | Rroet> | but don't forget to remove the database |
| 14:19 | Rroet> | there have been db changes from mythtv 12 to 13 |
| 14:19 | crib2> | shit thanks, I would not have known to do that. |
| 14:20 | Rroet> | they haven't released .13 twice ;) it contained a small db error ;) |
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| 14:27 | ShockValue> | hi everyone |
| 14:28 | ShockValue> | ive gotten myth up and running.. I am able to listen to my music via the SPDIF output on my soundcard |
| 14:28 | ShockValue> | i can also watch dvd |
| 14:28 | ShockValue> | with the SPDIF output.. but I can't get 5.1 sound. |
| 14:28 | ShockValue> | all the dvd's play with 2 channel |
| 14:29 | ShockValue> | i've checked the "AC3 passthrough" in myth, as well as added "-ac hwac3" line to mplayer.. but still 2 channel only |
| 14:29 | ShockValue> | any suggestions? |
| 14:29 | sfr> | ShockValue: myth doesn't play dvd's. it uses the player you told it to use, so we can't really help you. |
| 14:29 | ShockValue> | hrm |
| 14:30 | sfr> | the AC3 is for digital tv afaik. |
| 14:30 | ShockValue> | ah i see |
| 14:30 | ShockValue> | are you familiar with the mplayer command switches? all the forums ive read suggest tht -ac hwac3 should do it, but its not workin for me |
| 14:31 | sfr> | ShockValue: try to get 5.1 sound working with your fav. player and then use mythdvd to be sure myth really isn't messing it up. |
| 14:32 | ShockValue> | ok, ill mess around with mplayer some more.. supposedly it can do it. |
| 14:32 | Rroet> | I can't get mythtv to use more then 4 speakers here. |
| 14:32 | Rroet> | but that seems to be my alsa driver issue |
| 14:32 | ShockValue> | well, 4 is 2 more than wht i got :) |
| 14:32 | Rroet> | *big grin* |
| 14:33 | Rroet> | at least you have a stutter free image.. |
| 14:33 | Rroet> | that's what I'm still fighting about. |
| 14:33 | ShockValue> | i havent tried TV yet (dont have my card), but DVD playback is (visually) very good |
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| 15:16 | Rroet> | little question. |
| 15:16 | Rroet> | where did the metadata.sql from mythmusic/mythvideo go to ? |
| 15:16 | sfr> | Rroet: db updates are handled automatically look for dbcheck.cpp files |
| 15:17 | Rroet> | sfr ? |
| 15:17 | Rroet> | so I just start mythfrontend and open video ? |
| 15:17 | Rroet> | and then it's done ? |
| 15:18 | Rroet> | because I can't open mythvideo in mythweb yet. .. it says things are missing in the database. |
| 15:18 | Rroet> | tables .. |
| 15:18 | sfr> | might be not all plugins are converted to do it automatically. let me check... |
| 15:19 | sfr> | mythvideo does it autom. so starting mythfrontend should suffice. but run mythvideo once to be sure. |
| 15:19 | Rroet> | mythvideo does not exist |
| 15:20 | sfr> | so compile/install it |
| 15:20 | Rroet> | ahh.. it worked |
| 15:20 | Rroet> | I compiled mythvideo , but it does not give me a binary called mythvideo |
| 15:20 | sfr> | because all plugins are built as shared libraries |
| 15:20 | Rroet> | now updating for mythmusic.. thnkx. |
| 15:21 | sfr> | Rroet: you run latest cvs? |
| 15:23 | Rroet> | nope. |
| 15:23 | Rroet> | 0.13 |
| 15:24 | Rroet> | 0.13-r1 to be exact |
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| 15:28 | crib2> | sfr you here? |
| 15:28 | sfr> | still there |
| 15:30 | crib2> | ok tell me if you don't have time for this, but I'm pretty sure I found a fix on the lists. Applying it is an issue for me although it should be simple.. |
| 15:30 | crib2> | Issac said: |
| 15:30 | crib2> | > > well, the following _should_ fix it: |
| 15:30 | crib2> | > > |
| 15:30 | crib2> | > > update channel set tvformat = 'Default' where tvformat = ''; |
| 15:30 | crib2> | I have a mysql prompt and I'm not sure what to type. I did that and it says |
| 15:30 | crib2> | No database selected. |
| 15:30 | crib2> | I've never used mysql before. |
| 15:31 | sfr> | really? ;) |
| 15:31 | crib2> | Really :( |
| 15:31 | crib2> | If you don't have time I'll take this to #mysql |
| 15:31 | crib2> | It seems kind've...big |
| 15:31 | crib2> | Like it would take me weeks to learn |
| 15:31 | sfr> | type 'use mythconverg;' |
| 15:31 | crib2> | at the mysql> |
| 15:31 | crib2> | ? |
| 15:31 | sfr> | yup, |
| 15:32 | crib2> | k |
| 15:32 | sfr> | got an error? |
| 15:32 | crib2> | It says: |
| 15:32 | crib2> | Reading table information for completion of table and column names |
| 15:32 | crib2> | You can turn off this feature to get a quicker startup with -A |
| 15:32 | crib2> | Database changed |
| 15:32 | crib2> | mysql> |
| 15:33 | sfr> | now type the update command. |
| 15:33 | crib2> | k. |
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| 15:34 | crib2> | Query OK, 72 rows affected (0.00 sec) |
| 15:34 | crib2> | Rows matched: 72 Changed: 72 Warnings: 0 |
| 15:34 | crib2> | interesting... |
| 15:34 | crib2> | would those be my channels? |
| 15:34 | sfr> | yes |
| 15:34 | crib2> | fucking wild |
| 15:35 | crib2> | I should learn some mysql |
| 15:35 | sfr> | type 'select * from channel;' to see all your channel info. |
| 15:36 | crib2> | holy cow man that's wild |
| 15:36 | D-side> | sql is mostly simple. |
| 15:36 | D-side> | I had never touched it before myth, but the online docs are great. |
| 15:37 | D-side> | i rarely have to bug these guys with asinine sql questions. |
| 15:37 | dja__> | sfr: any suggestions on where I can get sasquatch. :-) (since the themes page hasn't been updated to handle OSD's yet :-) |
| 15:37 | crib2> | BAH IT WORKS |
| 15:38 | sfr> | dja__: sure: http://sfr.dyndns.org/mythtv |
| 15:38 | dja__> | cool - thanks :-) |
| 15:38 | crib2> | D-side: Can you refer me to thes docs? |
| 15:38 | D-side> | mysql.com iirc. |
| 15:39 | crib2> | Ah, the official ones :) |
| 15:39 | D-side> | its all you need, usually. |
| 15:39 | crib2> | I'll check those out. |
| 15:39 | crib2> | Got to see if sound works now :) |
| 15:40 | crib2> | Been saving that for last. |
| 15:40 | crib2> | SFR: THANKS |
| 15:42 | sfr> | np |
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| 17:27 | rkulagow> | howdy, all. anyone know if there's an xmltv IRC channel anywhere? tv_grab_na grabber's been failing for the last 4 days now... google didn't show any likely prospects. |
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| 17:35 | rkulagow> | chutt: docs sync please. |
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| 17:55 | ShockValue> | hey, if anyone has 5.1 working on their system from dvd, i'd love to know your settings so i might try em out |
| 17:55 | ShockValue> | i cant seem to get any player to work.. mplayer, xine, ogle.. |
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| 18:02 | kvandivo> | tv_grab_na has been working fine for me |
| 18:02 | kvandivo> | only thing that seems to have been failing is the version check that it does at the end.. apparently sf.net has been acting up or something |
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| 18:11 | tmk> | shock: sure |
| 18:12 | tmk> | mplayer options i use are: -ao alsa9 -ac hwac3 |
| 18:12 | tmk> | what mobo? |
| 18:12 | tmk> | and soundcard |
| 18:12 | ShockValue> | um.. old p3 via mobo.. |
| 18:12 | ShockValue> | soundcard is Zoltrix Nightengale.. has a spdif on it. |
| 18:13 | ShockValue> | cmedia 8738 (i think thats the righ tnumber) |
| 18:13 | tmk> | using alsa? |
| 18:14 | ShockValue> | yes |
| 18:14 | tmk> | there are a lot of little trick settings for alsa |
| 18:14 | tmk> | have you tried amixer? |
| 18:14 | tmk> | sometimes the digital's muted |
| 18:14 | ShockValue> | ive gotten 2.0 challen audio to work fine with the spdif+alsa.. but i cant get 5.1 to work |
| 18:14 | tmk> | 2.0 means it's just pcm'ing the audio out |
| 18:15 | ShockValue> | hrm |
| 18:15 | tmk> | not really passing it through |
| 18:15 | ShockValue> | oic |
| 18:15 | ShockValue> | what settings do i need to tweak to get passthrough? |
| 18:15 | tmk> | different for each card |
| 18:15 | tmk> | check alsa's site |
| 18:15 | tmk> | they have a lot of driver-specific info |
| 18:16 | ShockValue> | ok |
| 18:16 | tmk> | what driver is it |
| 18:16 | ShockValue> | cmedia 8738 |
| 18:18 | tmk> | i msg'd you |
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| 22:11 | Teflon> | Woot! Solved my slow EPG problems. |
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| 22:41 | Chutt> | why do i even bother trying to be nice when i comment on someone's patch |
| 22:41 | Chutt> | the guy completely missed the point of every single thing i said |
| 22:42 | billytwowilly> | because it's the decent thing to do? |
| 22:42 | billytwowilly> | because it's Christmas? |
| 22:42 | Chutt> | now i have to waste _more_ time explaining things using one syllable words |
| 22:43 | billytwowilly> | because you want to get into heaven after a short stop in hell to talk to all the cool rock stars you've always wanted to chat with? |
| 22:43 | Chutt> | heh |
| 22:44 | billytwowilly> | I dunno.. that sounds like a pretty accurate description of what a project manager does.. aren't you the project manager? |
| 22:45 | Chutt> | if i were a real project manager, i would be able to choose who worked for me |
| 22:45 | Chutt> | i wouldn't have to look over halfassed patches that i couldn't _ever_ possibly accept |
| 22:45 | billytwowilly> | I always thought that was one of the funny things about opensource projects;) noone wants to be the project manager because you get the same work (if you do the job right) and you get none of the power.. |
| 22:46 | Teflon> | and everyone wants to argue |
| 22:46 | Chutt> | i wouldn't have to say 'why don't you do it like X' 'but X doesn't apply to me' 'that's why i said _like X' |
| 22:47 | Chutt> | or 'write a new function in class Y' 'i don't see how it could be done without an extra function inbetween there' 'that's why i said _a new function in class Y_' |
| 22:47 | Teflon> | my myth box: AMD Athlon 1800+ XP, ECS K7S5a PRO, ancient SB Ensoniq, Hauppauge PVR-250, 512mb ram, Thermaltake Silent Boost, Ahanix D.Vine 4 case with VFD, LG DVD-Rom, 2x120gb, 1x160gb, ATI Remote Wonder (USB), Homemade Serial IR Xmitter, Debian, LVM, lcdproc, lirc_serial, SilenX 400W power supply, MSI Geforce4 MX440SE |
| 22:47 | billytwowilly> | Why don't you post a style guide line for all patches and write a quick script that checks for the poper style and rejects it if the style is incorrect? wouldn't that cut down on a lot of bad patches? |
| 22:47 | Chutt> | it's not really a matter of style |
| 22:47 | Teflon> | many people dont bother to investigate how the code works |
| 22:48 | josephk> | I don't know, why don't you see if people want to take responsiblity for different parts of the project and let them manage commits to those parts |
| 22:48 | Teflon> | they just hack it till it works for them. |
| 22:48 | Chutt> | josephk, that's what i'm doing :p |
| 22:48 | josephk> | oh ok |
| 22:48 | josephk> | fire someone then |
| 22:48 | Chutt> | core stuff's still all mine, though |
| 22:48 | josephk> | you'll feel better I'm sure |
| 22:48 | Chutt> | except for what thor's working on |
| 22:48 | billytwowilly> | the mfd thing? |
| 22:48 | Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:48 | Teflon> | Chutt, anyone said thank you lately? |
| 22:49 | Chutt> | not without bitching attached |
| 22:49 | josephk> | to that jerk? :D |
| 22:49 | billytwowilly> | Chutt: Thank you! |
| 22:49 | Teflon> | Chutt, THANK YOU, NO BITCHING ATTACHED! |
| 22:49 | Chutt> | heh, thanks |
| 22:49 | josephk> | hey chutt |
| 22:49 | josephk> | thanks |
| 22:49 | Teflon> | My wife seems to love mythtv |
| 22:49 | Chutt> | mine does too |
| 22:50 | billytwowilly> | Chutt: ok.. Thank you! <generic bitching> |
| 22:50 | Chutt> | no no |
| 22:50 | Chutt> | you did it wrong |
| 22:50 | Teflon> | Chutt, i had to give her more disk space! |
| 22:50 | josephk> | jerk |
| 22:50 | josephk> | lol |
| 22:50 | Chutt> | it's 'i've can't read the docs, so i have all these problems *blah blah blah blah on for 20 pages* oh yeah, and thanks for mythtv!!!!@#!@# |
| 22:50 | Chutt> | complete with broken english =) |
| 22:50 | josephk> | I got it...."Wow Chutt myth is great...I love it!...you've outdone yourself its the best!" |
| 22:51 | josephk> | " There's just one thing" |
| 22:51 | Teflon> | Chutt, i think i did that to you once back in the beginning. |
| 22:51 | bma> | Chutt's a loser |
| 22:51 | bma> | 'course, I've known that since way before mythtv :) |
| 22:51 | * | Teflon whines: the epg is slow! |
| 22:51 | josephk> | "It doesn't work" |
| 22:51 | Chutt> | but not reading -users list is nice |
| 22:51 | Chutt> | teflon, you the .gif guy |
| 22:51 | Chutt> | ? |
| 22:51 | Teflon> | Chutt, yep. |
| 22:52 | Chutt> | is your qt compiled with gif support? |
| 22:52 | Teflon> | i haven't tracked it down further than i found the problem and commente dout the part of mythfilldatabase that updated channels. |
| 22:52 | Teflon> | Chutt, dunno, maybe not. is there a quick way to check? |
| 22:52 | Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:53 | Chutt> | something like /usr/lib/qt3/plugins/imageformats/ |
| 22:53 | Chutt> | all of my channel icon images are .jpg |
| 22:53 | Chutt> | oh, except 1 |
| 22:53 | Teflon> | i dont even get all of mine :( |
| 22:53 | Teflon> | does that one show? |
| 22:53 | Chutt> | heh |
| 22:53 | Chutt> | i don't know what channel it's for =) |
| 22:54 | Teflon> | select * from channel where icon like '%???%' :) |
| 22:54 | Teflon> | slinky:/usr/local/qt/plugins/imageformats# ls |
| 22:54 | Teflon> | libqjpeg.so libqmng.so |
| 22:54 | Teflon> | so jpeg and mng? interesting. |
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| 22:54 | Teflon> | maybe i should rebuild qt |
| 22:54 | billytwowilly> | I wish Sony or someone would pickup mythtv for use in their PVR product. instant manpower boost. |
| 22:54 | josephk> | lol |
| 22:54 | Teflon> | and politics and they'll aim it at a specific piece of hardware. |
| 22:55 | Chutt> | it does |
| 22:55 | billytwowilly> | Chutt: If you want to work for apple, here's your chance: https://jobs.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Employment.woa/wa/jobDescription?RequisitionID=2075781 |
| 22:55 | Chutt> | show up, that is |
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| 22:55 | Chutt> | but i don't have an image plugin for gif |
| 22:55 | Chutt> | hmm |
| 22:55 | Chutt> | maybe that's not a good test |
| 22:55 | Chutt> | teflon, anyway, what it's doing is falling back to trying to request images from the backend |
| 22:55 | Chutt> | is this a remote frontend? |
| 22:56 | Teflon> | local. |
| 22:56 | Chutt> | on the master? |
| 22:56 | Teflon> | yep |
| 22:56 | Chutt> | hmmm |
| 22:56 | Chutt> | i can fix it |
| 22:56 | Teflon> | convert em to jpg at download time? |
| 22:56 | Chutt> | naw |
| 22:57 | Teflon> | when i get around to uncommenting the channels update code in mythfrontend (when i make a flag to not update the icons ever, i'll submit the option as a patch |
| 22:57 | Chutt> | don't try to load from the master if it's local |
| 22:57 | Teflon> | that probably makes sense for a general purpose speed fix. |
| 22:57 | Chutt> | it might make sense to check the extension is valid |
| 22:58 | Chutt> | ah, could you do something for me? |
| 22:58 | Teflon> | sure |
| 22:59 | Chutt> | in programs/mythfrontend/main.cpp |
| 23:00 | Teflon> | yep, got it open |
| 23:00 | Chutt> | line 788 or so, before it starts running the menu |
| 23:00 | Teflon> | see it |
| 23:00 | Chutt> | cout << QImage::inputFormatList().join(" ") << endl; |
| 23:00 | Chutt> | should make it print out the valid image formats on start up |
| 23:00 | Chutt> | just curious to see what you have |
| 23:01 | Teflon> | building |
| 23:02 | Teflon> | BMP JPEG MNG PBM PGM PNG PPM XBM XPM |
| 23:02 | Chutt> | ok, cool, so that'd work too |
| 23:02 | Chutt> | i'll fix it to not fallback to the master if it's local, and to cull out any unsupported image formats |
| 23:02 | Chutt> | BMP GIF JPEG MNG PBM PGM PNG PPM XBM XPM |
| 23:03 | Chutt> | is mine, just for your comparison |
| 23:03 | Teflon> | (and if mythfilldatabase detects an unsupported format, use imagemagick, if present, to convert it to jpeg?) |
| 23:03 | Teflon> | wonder why i didn't get gif support ... wonder what i didn't have installed when i built qt |
| 23:03 | Chutt> | i won't go that far, but if someone else were to |
| 23:03 | Teflon> | i might, but i doubt it, a bit busy at the moment |
| 23:03 | Teflon> | the most i suspect i'll get done is the hack to mythfilldatabase to never modify my icons |
| 23:04 | Chutt> | heh |
| 23:04 | Teflon> | since zap2it is incomplete... |
| 23:04 | Teflon> | and sometimes even wrong |
| 23:12 | tmk> | sup chutt |
| 23:13 | Teflon> | i'm annoting him with trivial bugs |
| 23:13 | Chutt> | tmk, yo |
| 23:13 | Chutt> | naw, it's not trivial |
| 23:13 | Teflon> | minor? |
| 23:13 | tmk> | new ivtv out today |
| 23:13 | Teflon> | tmk: stable? |
| 23:13 | Chutt> | tmk, haven't had a chance to test it |
| 23:13 | Teflon> | or will it piss my wife off? |
| 23:14 | Chutt> | been working on my basement all day |
| 23:14 | Teflon> | damn purplegalaxy theme is broken. |
| 23:14 | tmk> | no biggie |
| 23:14 | tmk> | working on setting up a remote frontend in the basement perchance? |
| 23:14 | Teflon> | Error parsing: /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/PurpleGalaxy/ui.xml |
| 23:14 | Teflon> | at line: 601 column: 17 |
| 23:14 | Teflon> | tag mismatch |
| 23:14 | Chutt> | teflon, yeah, i told the author about that |
| 23:14 | Chutt> | it's the spanish and catalan translations |
| 23:15 | Chutt> | tmk, working on setting up walls and stuff in the basement :p |
| 23:15 | tmk> | :) |
| 23:15 | Teflon> | i need a house |
| 23:15 | tmk> | i was just hoping you'd start using a remote setup again so the code would catch up :P |
| 23:15 | Teflon> | lol |
| 23:15 | Chutt> | tmk, hrm? |
| 23:16 | Chutt> | remote stuff should work fine |
| 23:16 | Chutt> | bruce tests all that |
| 23:16 | tmk> | it crashes frequently on me (master backend does at least) |
| 23:16 | Chutt> | huh |
| 23:16 | tmk> | and i don't think it's ever told the slave backend to record |
| 23:16 | Chutt> | might be a config problem |
| 23:16 | tmk> | i'm a week or two back on cvs though |
| 23:16 | tmk> | could be |
| 23:16 | Chutt> | or they aren't in sync with each other |
| 23:16 | tmk> | it knows about the remote backend |
| 23:17 | tmk> | i guess i'll read the mailing list a bit or something |
| 23:17 | tmk> | generally only crashes when i reboot my remote box without shutting myth down nicely |
| 23:17 | Chutt> | see, thing is, i'm down to two machines |
| 23:17 | tmk> | crashes when it reconnects |
| 23:17 | Teflon> | Chutt, ouch. |
| 23:17 | Chutt> | myth box in the living room |
| 23:17 | Chutt> | and my dev box |
| 23:17 | tmk> | hey me too :) |
| 23:17 | mdz> | Chutt: hardware failures, or repurposing? |
| 23:18 | Teflon> | i think its time to have a fundraiser for chutt |
| 23:18 | tmk> | i bet his wife got tired of being surrounded by computers |
| 23:18 | Chutt> | hardware failures, and i didn't replace things since i didn't really need them |
| 23:18 | Chutt> | like, one was a test frontend and an irc machine |
| 23:18 | Chutt> | whoopdy-do |
| 23:18 | Chutt> | that's 6 or 7 bucks a month off my electricity bill, and more space in my office =) |
| 23:19 | Teflon> | heh |
| 23:19 | Teflon> | i could probably turn my freebsd box into a frontend but then i'd have no bsd at home. |
| 23:19 | DogBoy> | what's a home without some bsd |
| 23:20 | Teflon> | DogBoy, a bsd-less home? |
| 23:20 | Teflon> | i can always get my bsd fix at work. 60-odd FreeBSD machines |
| 23:21 | Teflon> | hmmm ... maybe that dead laptop.. if i can convince X or XV to completely negate (invert) all colors somehow its useful again... or if i just hook up a monitor. but i dont think K6-2/333 is fast enough to play an mpeg-2 |
| 23:24 | Chutt> | is curtis wood in here? |
| 23:25 | Chutt> | i'll take that as a no |
| 23:25 | Chutt> | <sigh> |
| 23:26 | Teflon> | my LCD panel currently reads "Not Recording" and "63% Free" and then the next recording coming up. wheee. |
| 23:26 | Teflon> | lcdproc is neat. |
| 23:26 | Teflon> | and easy. |
| 23:26 | kvandivo> | so who's not yet ready for christmas? |
| 23:26 | Teflon> | me! |
| 23:27 | kvandivo> | i've spent the entire day wrapping presents |
| 23:27 | Teflon> | i cant wait to open my epson 2200 printer. |
| 23:27 | Teflon> | i did that yesterday. |
| 23:27 | rkulagow> | i'm pretty sure that comcast's "upgrade" to 3Mbps here in chicago has totally fucked my internet connection. packet loss, dns weirdness, failure to connect to google, etc. |
| 23:27 | Teflon> | i'm not sure where i'm going to put the printer on my desk though. |
| 23:27 | Teflon> | rkulagow, call and complain? |
| 23:27 | Chutt> | i spent half the day trying to clean up the rats nest in my breaker box |
| 23:28 | Teflon> | ouch. |
| 23:28 | kvandivo> | you running a router, rk? and, if so, are you running the latest firmware? |
| 23:28 | rkulagow> | yeah, i'll do that. |
| 23:28 | Chutt> | i want my speakeasy speed upgrade, but nooo, not until march |
| 23:28 | kvandivo> | been there, done that, with the breaker thing.. i'm glad to be done with the major required hoursework for a while |
| 23:28 | Teflon> | shit, i do have a router. forgot to put the 2nd nic into the freebsd box and make it my gateway. next weekend i guess. |
| 23:29 | Teflon> | and i forgot to look into the latest dvdauthor package |
| 23:29 | kvandivo> | i remember a while back, i started getting ssh connections being dropped all of the sudden.. come to find out, the cable company had changed _something_ and I needed a firmware upgrade on my router to make them talk nice to each other |
| 23:30 | Teflon> | kvandivo, is your router your cablemodem? |
| 23:30 | kvandivo> | na.. i've got a linksys box sitting after the cablemodem |
| 23:30 | Teflon> | i have a USR box, still hasn't ever had a firmware upgrade released |
| 23:30 | Teflon> | wish it had SNMP though |
| 23:30 | Teflon> | i can't MRTG my usage without it. |
| 23:31 | Teflon> | not unless i throw in a hub, and that would suck. |
| 23:31 | rkulagow> | well, it's hard to check for updated firmware when you can't get a reliable connection... |
| 23:31 | * | kvandivo grins evily. |
| 23:31 | kvandivo> | pesky little details |
| 23:31 | Chutt> | heh |
| 23:32 | Teflon> | i better go pay attention to my wife. |
| 23:32 | kvandivo> | sounds rough |
| 23:32 | Teflon> | fixing the pvr still doesn't make up for the loss of 100gb of recordings. |
| 23:33 | rkulagow> | i've called at&t tech support/comcast. "unplug your cable modem. is your computer connected directly to the modem? turn off any firewall software. no, we don't support hardware routers. linux? what's that?" |
| 23:35 | Chutt> | "Hi, I can't ping your gateway" "Here's what I want you to do. Go to start, then click on run. Type in 'command' then hit enter. Now type in 'p' 'i' 'n' 'g'." |
| 23:35 | Chutt> | ah, that was a fun call |
| 23:35 | kvandivo> | i've learned it is better to just make them think they are giving you useful instructions |
| 23:36 | kvandivo> | lot less explaining that way |
| 23:36 | Chutt> | speakeasy told me that the reason i wasn't getting email the other day was because my mailing list server wasn't set up properly |
| 23:36 | kvandivo> | ? |
| 23:36 | Chutt> | regardless of the fact that telnetting to mx01.speakeasy.net / 25 timed out |
| 23:36 | kvandivo> | apples and oranges come to mind |
| 23:37 | rkulagow> | "i'm not getting a DHCP address from your server." "we don't support DHCP". "uh, sure you do. that's how you give out addresses to computers." "sir, i'm not sure what you're talking about."... |
| 23:37 | Chutt> | well, i told him that my mail server logs were full of connection timed out errors to speakeasy |
| 23:37 | Chutt> | bad choice, since the guy zeroed in on that =) |
| 23:37 | kvandivo> | you supposed to be getting 3 megabit up and down, or just down, or what, rk? |
| 23:38 | Chutt> | it's like 3 down, 256 up |
| 23:38 | kvandivo> | that would rock to have that up.. but i'm guessing you mean down |
| 23:38 | kvandivo> | i get 128 up, and i've seen _up to_ about 5-7 megabit down.. i'm usually at about 2-3 down, however |
| 23:38 | rkulagow> | i read that comcast was going to go to 3Mbps down and leave the up-rate the same. chicago was supposed to switch on the 15th or so. based on when xmltv began to fail and how many days of data i have left, they did the cutover on the 15th. |
| 23:39 | mdz> | isn't there a bit higher level interface to LIRC than what curtis wood's patch does? |
| 23:39 | Teflon> | Chutt, whats speakeasy? lists? |
| 23:39 | Chutt> | mdz, that wouldn't matter if he did it in an external program and kept that shit out of channelbase.cpp |
| 23:39 | Chutt> | teflon, isp |
| 23:39 | Teflon> | ah |
| 23:39 | mdz> | it would still be a mess; isn't this what liblircclient is for? |
| 23:39 | Chutt> | probably |
| 23:39 | Chutt> | see |
| 23:39 | Teflon> | odd name for an isp. |
| 23:39 | mdz> | when I get my box back together, I'm going to do serial to the dct2000 |
| 23:40 | Chutt> | i was all nice and didn't say 'i can't possibly use this patch because the code sucks' |
| 23:40 | Chutt> | i commented on what needed to be fixed |
| 23:40 | mdz> | and I"m going to write a 10-line python program to replace the 1000-line C program in there right now |
| 23:40 | rkulagow> | i've got to translate technical crap into something the phone monkeys can understand. "i can't get to hotmail." |
| 23:40 | Chutt> | and he comes back 'you're not understanding me!@#!' |
| 23:40 | rkulagow> | chutt: obviously you're in the holiday mood. |
| 23:40 | Chutt> | heh |
| 23:41 | Teflon> | i was amazed when i called my cable company for support and they knew the answer, had my file up already, and didn't take 30 mins of hold time (immediate answer). |
| 23:42 | Chutt> | heh |
| 23:42 | Chutt> | gant pulls ahead in the download race |
| 23:42 | rkulagow> | i'm glad dave alden found my thinko in the mythfilldatabase status stuff. i had setup for debugging to see what i'd done wrong, and of course xmltv hasn't been working. |
| 23:42 | rkulagow> | (for me) |
| 23:43 | Chutt> | heh |
| 23:43 | mdz> | the 0.13 debs have seen a few hundred downloads now, and I have only gotten one "IT'S BROKEN" email, and that guy had mistyped the line in sources.list |
| 23:43 | mdz> | so I assume they're working fine |
| 23:43 | mdz> | or else all of the problematic users went back to building from source while I was away |
| 23:43 | Chutt> | bma's problems were just pebkac? =) |
| 23:44 | mdz> | I have no idea what he was smoking |
| 23:44 | rkulagow> | chutt: docs sync please? |
| 23:44 | Chutt> | rkulagow, sure |
| 23:44 | rkulagow> | thanks. night all. |
| 23:44 | Chutt> | g'nite |
| 23:46 | Chutt> | docs updated, they'll get recached soonish |
| 23:48 | mdz> | Chutt: has the plugin API changed at all since it was implemented? or would any plugin still work? |
| 23:49 | Chutt> | need to be recompiled |
| 23:49 | Chutt> | i don't recall any major changes |
| 23:49 | Chutt> | why? |
| 23:51 | mdz> | because I just noticed that the plugin packages depend on mythtv-frontend (>= 0.11-1) |
| 23:51 | mdz> | because I hadn't bumped that when I released the 0.13 packages |
| 23:51 | Chutt> | ah |
| 23:51 | mdz> | so I wondered if it would actually be broken |
| 23:51 | Chutt> | no, that won't work |
| 23:51 | Chutt> | libmyth's changed quite a bit |
| 23:52 | mdz> | I guess you would need versioned symbols for it to work |
| 23:52 | mdz> | then the plugin and myth would each have their own libmyth |
| 23:52 | Chutt> | yeah |
| 23:52 | mdz> | just packaged up mythnews; seems pretty simple |
| 23:53 | Chutt> | yup |
| 23:53 | mdz> | doesn't seem to work though |
| 23:53 | Chutt> | heh |
| 23:53 | mdz> | displays a two-sided dialog with no text in it |
| 23:53 | Chutt> | really? |
| 23:53 | Chutt> | hmm |
| 23:53 | mdz> | and says "Ready" |
| 23:53 | Chutt> | go to setup |
| 23:53 | mdz> | MythNews: Error in loading Sites from DB |
| 23:53 | Chutt> | need to select some rss feeds |
| 23:53 | mdz> | ah |
| 23:54 | mdz> | wow |
| 23:54 | mdz> | 3 pages of settings |
| 23:54 | Chutt> | need a better error message on screen for that |
| 23:54 | Chutt> | yeah, it's getting cumbersome |
| 23:55 | mdz> | hmm, the mythnews settings dialog seems to be done weird |
| 23:55 | mdz> | not as a wizard |
| 23:56 | mdz> | huh, now it fails in an entirely different way |
| 23:56 | Chutt> | what'd it do? |
| 23:56 | mdz> | MythNews: NewsEngine: failed to set content from xmlfile |
| 23:57 | mdz> | apparently this means that QDomDocument::setContent failed |
| 23:57 | Chutt> | heh |
| 23:57 | Chutt> | couldn't parse something |
| 23:57 | mdz> | where does it put these files? |
| 23:57 | mdz> | ah, ~/.mythtv |
| 23:57 | mdz> | heh |
| 23:57 | mdz> | the document is a 302 |
| 23:57 | Chutt> | doesn't handle it? |
| 23:57 | mdz> | 301 actually |
| 23:58 | mdz> | apparently not |
| 23:58 | Chutt> | the mythnews author's nick is pahli_bar |
| 23:58 | mdz> | mizar:[...news/mythnews-0.13/mythnews] cat ~/.mythtv/MythNews/Linux\ Weekly\ News |
| 23:58 | mdz> | <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN"> |
| 23:58 | mdz> | <HTML><HEAD> |
| 23:58 | mdz> | <TITLE>301 Moved Permanently</TITLE> |
| 23:58 | mdz> | </HEAD><BODY> |
| 23:58 | mdz> | <H1>Moved Permanently</H1> |
| 23:58 | Chutt> | he's in here _very_ occasionally |
| 23:58 | mdz> | I think there's a flag |
| 23:58 | mdz> | to the http stuff to tell it it's OK to follow redirects |
| 23:58 | Chutt> | hrm |
| --- | Log | closed Mon Dec 22 00:00:35 2003 |
