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---Logopened Tue Dec 30 00:00:09 2003
00:00<tz-xmas>ofer: :-)
00:00<ofer>what errors are you getting
00:00<tz-xmas>shitloads about what I am guessing are Qt errors
00:01<tz-xmas>when compiling dialogbox.cpp
00:01<RAP>how do you think it will run on a p3 500mhz 384MB RAM. basically a clean updated fedora install
00:01<tz-xmas>maybe it just doesn't see the qt headers
00:02<ofer>rap: just lower the res, itll run ok (maybe) =)
00:02<ofer>it records no problems at all on my 866
00:02<RAP>Ill let you know if I get fedora to recognize my tunercard
00:02<ofer>playback requires lowering the resolution
00:02<RAP>but I might not get to that tonite
00:02<ofer>bt cards run really well nowadays in linux
00:03<mchou>ofer, until u upgrade to 2.6......:)
00:03<tz-xmas>ofer: yup I just didn't have QTDIR set
00:03<ofer>mchou: hahah, i shouldnt try is what your saying? :P
00:04<mchou>ofer, I tried it and sound was fubar.....
00:04<mchou>ofer, could be alsa, who knows....
00:04<ofer>tz-xmas: kudos =)
00:04<tz-xmas>that's been my nemesis with Qt heh
00:04<ofer>mchou: im using alsa, but under fedora / freshrpms
00:04<tz-xmas>I swear I had it in my profile
00:05<mchou>ofer, but u aren't using 2.6, are u?
00:05<RAP>if I have a dual lnb directv dish, can I just go straight to my mythtv box off one lnb?
00:05<RAP>I need to re-read how this hooks together. thats probably a newb Q
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00:32<ofer>what is irxevent? is it a command line proggy/
00:33<tdb30_>its a program that translates input from lirc to events
00:33<ofer>that sounds good
00:33<tdb30_>I usualy start it as a background task.
00:33<ofer>thats not quite what i wanted
00:33<tdb30_>it needs lircd running
00:33<ofer>do you know if there's a command line way to send a signal to lircd?
00:34<tdb30_>send a signal to lircd? yeah irsend
00:34<ofer>thats a proggie?
00:34<tdb30_>there is a new command that replaced it but I don't know what it is off and.
00:35<tdb30_>yeah its a program
00:35<ofer>whoa, thats awsome
00:35<ofer>thank you soo much =)
00:35<tdb30_>it will send a code base on it being defined in lircd.conf
00:35<tdb30_>you know how lircd works right?
00:35<ofer>i thought it was a daemon that scanned the serial port
00:35<ofer>waiting for a signal
00:35<ofer>i was hoping there was a way to send it a trigger from the command line
00:35<ofer>but i couldnt find documentation about it
00:36<tdb30_>it works both ways
00:36<tdb30_>it can send stuff out bound to an ir transmiter
00:36<tdb30_>if you have one
00:36<ofer>i dont
00:36<tdb30_>ahh then irsend isn't want you want.
00:37<ofer>i just want to be able to send a signal to change channels etc. from the command line
00:37<tdb30_>change channels of the tuner inside your computer or an external tuner?
00:38<ofer>inside my computer
00:38<ofer>from the command line
00:39<tdb30_>thats a tuner thing then. what kind of tuner do you have.
00:40<ofer>lemee start froms cratch
00:40<ofer>have you ever used tvtime?
00:40<ofer>i can run the tv program
00:40<ofer>then ssh in
00:41<ofer>run a command line program to make the tvtime program cange the channel
00:41<ofer>thats what i want
00:42<ofer>is there anything like that?
00:42<ofer>for mythtv?
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00:45<RAP>I was just checking out tvtime
00:45<RAP>seems like a nice prog. whats the advantage to that over watching through mythtv
00:45<ofer>tvtime has the best quality tv output of any program ive seen
00:45<ofer>but cant pause
00:45<ofer>cant output to files
00:45<ofer>cant record
00:45<ofer>etc. etc.
00:45<ofer>all it does is show you tv
00:46<RAP>I see. so thats what you prob use when you dont need DVR capabilities
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00:46<RAP>Is it easy to install/setup?
00:46<ofer>just an RPM away
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00:46<RAP>can it be yummed
00:47<ofer>just download the rpm
00:47<RAP>I will most likely check it out
00:47<ofer>its one or two rpms
00:47<ofer>one of which you already installed for mythtv
00:47<RAP>I want to put this tuner card in the box, but I dont know if this filldatabase will ever end...
00:47<ofer>it will
00:47<ofer>takes forever
00:47<RAP>how many days does it dl?
00:48<ofer>10 days
00:48<RAP>ahh crap. Im only on the 31st
00:48<RAP>is this something I add to crontab? will it just append the info or what
00:48<ofer>you add it to crontab
00:49<RAP>you recommend daily? I should check the docs
00:49<ofer>hehe, i havnt added it =)
00:49<ofer>the tutorial recommends daily
00:49<RAP>Id want to verify that it wont re-download everything before I did that
00:49<ofer>it wont
00:50<RAP>so you use your linux box as your main tv set, or you output to a tv?
00:50<ofer>i use my linux box on my 19" screen as my tv
00:50<ofer>and my laptop on the couch as my remote control / everything else
00:50<ofer>so i want to control mythtv from my couch
00:50<RAP>cool. you have a wireless lan?
00:50<ofer>although the laptop has wireless =)
00:51<ofer>but wired is fine
00:51<ofer>for me =)
00:51<RAP>I have a nice 31" tv so I plan to use that
00:51<RAP><-- really just learning how mythtv works and if its something I would use
00:51<ofer>thats a good idea =)
00:52<ofer>whats cool about mythtv is you can have a loud fast machine record th estuff in another room and use your 500 (take out the fans and stuff) next to the tv
00:52<RAP>yea, Im just setting up for all on one box for now
00:53<RAP>one step at a time
00:53<ofer>i got the frontend running on my laptop
00:53<ofer>that was cool
00:53<RAP>I doubt I'll get far enough to output from my pc to the tv-set though
00:53<RAP>would need a new tuner card with s-vid output
00:54<ofer>you mean video card
00:54<ofer>you know those via epia thingies can do that
00:54<ofer>those are neat
00:54<RAP>I just sold a p2 350 that had onboard s-vid out
00:54<RAP>not familiar with them
00:54<ofer>do'h =)
00:55<RAP>everything I ever ran through it looked like crap on the tv set
00:55<ofer>yeah, the digitizers you can find on a computer dont tend to be that good
00:55<tdb30_>the PVR 350s tv out is pretty much perfect as far as output goes
00:55<ofer>also, the digitizers (tv tuners) dont do a very good job either
00:55<ofer>but its viewable =)
00:56<ofer>tdb: awsome
00:56<ofer>tdb: does it act like a video card?
00:56<tdb30_>you mean can you run X on it?
00:56<ofer>yeah =)
00:56<ofer>whoa, cant wiat till those things get cheap, then ill get one =)
00:57<tdb30_>but it lacks 3d acceleration.
00:57<ofer>i dont use 3d acceleration
00:57<RAP>so the best combo is a PVR 350 + mythtv huh
00:57<tdb30_>pvr 350 is pretty good. Though Its drivers don't seem to be 100% stable yet.
00:57<ofer>ill wait =)
00:58<ofer>hack with this shitty pctv
00:58<tdb30_>No hurry.
00:58<RAP>I just realized my p.o.s. 1997 tuner card has a s-video out
00:58<RAP>or would that be an in
00:58<ofer>rap: it's probably be an in
00:58<tdb30_>take your time getting it. It will just get better.
00:58<ofer>ill wait till i have an incom
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00:58<tdb30_>I just loaded the latest ivtv drivers for the pvr 350 hoping for a bit more stability.
00:58<RAP>AITech Wavewatcher PCI. you think it might work with fedora?
00:59<tdb30_>oooh new drivers seemed to make a huge differenc.e
00:59<ofer>is it a bt8x8 based?
00:59<RAP>no clue
01:00<RAP>how can I tell
01:00<ofer>for $12? probably bt8x8
01:01<RAP>this thing was free! looks like it might have been a good one back in the day
01:01<ofer>look on it for a conexant or brooktree chip
01:01<ofer>with that 8?8 number
01:01<ofer>somewhere =)
01:01<RAP>capture up to 30fps
01:02<ofer>it may be a zoran based
01:02<RAP>theres a philips chip
01:03<RAP>would it say on the box?>
01:03<ofer>just try
01:04<ofer>kudzu will probably detect it
01:04<RAP>will do next week. after datafill is done
01:04<tdb30_>you could do an lspci and see if it says aything
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01:07<RAP>$200 for a PVR 350 I see
01:08<RAP>what does mythtv give you that doesnt come with that?
01:08<tdb30_>I paid $180
01:08<ofer>an interface
01:08<ofer>the ability to play snes games
01:08<ofer>mame games
01:08<tdb30_>so $200 isn't unreasonable.
01:08<RAP>are there any comparable windows apps
01:09<ofer>not that i know of
01:09<RAP>comparable to mythtv
01:09<tdb30_>probably not for free.
01:10<RAP>tbd: whats a cheaper solution for a high quality setup?
01:10<ofer>depends on what you want
01:10<ofer>probably that hauppauge is the best quality
01:10<RAP>All I want to do is s-video to my tv. looking as good as it does now straight from my reciever
01:10<tdb30_>not sure. maybe a 2G athlon processor with a regular tuner card.
01:11<ofer>tdb: regular tuner does not give you the best color depth
01:11<RAP>be able to use mythtv and not lose any picture quality on my standard tv set
01:11<tdb30_>I hear that most tv-out cards don't give great out put. You could maybe look for an old matrox card.
01:12<tdb30_>search the web for tv-out to get an idea what cards are good and which arent.
01:12<tdb30_>just so you know the quality of tv-out on my geforce 4 card is poor compared to the pvr 350
01:12<RAP>alternatively, I can just run a second directv rec. to the mythtv linux box and just use it for recording
01:13<tdb30_>I could get the gf4 give reasonable quality but it was far from perfect.
01:13<GreyFoxx>TVOUT on most videocards is pretty crappy. It's an afterthought/addon they just add because other companies do and most don't care about the quality
01:13*tdb30_ would agree with greyfoxx.
01:13<GreyFoxx>Hence why stuff like the dxr3 and pvr350 are so sweet
01:13<ofer>would be cool if stuff could be encoded in dv and sent out via dv interface boxes
01:13<RAP>whats a dxr3
01:14<ofer>dv boxes tend to have really good quality
01:14<ofer>dxr3 is an mpeg decoder
01:14<mchou>Greyfoxx, do ppl still use dxr3??
01:14<GreyFoxx>A dxr3/Hollywood plus was an mpeg decoder that came out a few years ago back in the days when a lost of PC's couldnt' decode a dvd in cpu
01:14<RAP>so basically, if you want a high quality linux based DVR, you need that pvr350
01:14<GreyFoxx>and it's tv out was pretty sweet
01:14<ofer>mchou: i have a dxr2 equivalent (hollywood plus) but the quality on a monitor is better using software
01:14<ofer>oh wiat, yeah, it is dxr3
01:15<GreyFoxx>mchou I am now :) I've got my MythTV outputing to my dxr3 right now
01:15<ofer>rap: or a good cpu
01:15<mchou>GreyFoxx: what encoder/CPU do u use?
01:15<ofer>the dxr3 i think has a good tv out, bad monitor out
01:15<RAP>hmm. pvr350 or equivalent would be needed to keep s-vid quality back to the tv set though
01:16<mchou>GreyFoxx: I always thought the passthru cable degraded PQ.
01:16<GreyFoxx>My box is a Athlon XP 2500+. I've got a PVR250 for encoding
01:16<GreyFoxx>I don't use passthrough, I'm jsut getting the card to decode the mpeg and display it right to the tv
01:16<mchou>GreyFoxx: so u dont use a vga card in that system at all?
01:16<RAP>so one card can do it all
01:17<RAP>ideally, you dont even need a monitor
01:17<GreyFoxx>But the passhrough does "fuzz out" normal vga display if that's what you mean
01:17<GreyFoxx>mchou, I do only because I have spare on next to it. I was using the GF4 TVOut but wasn't happy with it. so I've been messing with adding dxr3 support
01:17<ofer>the passthru sucks on the h+
01:18<mchou>GreyFoxx: lemme get this straight, mythtv ui works w/dxr3, u can ff, rw, skip commercials?
01:18<ofer>thats why i got rid of it (that and it didnt deinterlace very well)
01:18<GreyFoxx>So at the moment It's being displayed on both the TV via the mpeg decoder, and through xv for the monitor
01:18<GreyFoxx>mchou my copy does. Still basic limited support at the moment. But that's what I'm playing with'
01:19<mchou>GreyFoxx: ok, ggo to know....
01:19<GreyFoxx>But no, not the UI at the moment. Just the decoded display and basic osd
01:19<RAP>thats too advanced for me
01:19<GreyFoxx>I've spent most of my time getting to know more of the MythTV internals than anything.
01:20<mchou>GreyFoxx: is this a mythtv patch, or it's alreay in myth??
01:20<RAP>Grey: whats the least expensive solution for a high quality mythtv dvr
01:21<RAP> far as cards go
01:21<mchou>RAP, pvr-250 or m179
01:21<GreyFoxx>mchou It's my personal code alterations so at the moment it's not available to anyone if that's what you mean
01:21<tdb30_>I think I may have to either up my memory or cpu. I just did a free command at the prompt to see how much free memory I had and it froze myth
01:22<GreyFoxx>Actually once I walked through the initial code getting it to display via the TV out was trivial
01:22<ofer>tdb: do'h =)
01:22<GreyFoxx>next I'm gonna start it all over again properly
01:23<RAP>Whats your opinion of knoppmyth
01:23<GreyFoxx>If my PVR350 had arrived already I wouldn't have bothered with it, but I had some spare time with the XMas break
01:23<mchou>GreyFoxx: do u have any prob. overscan, etc. with dxr3?
01:23<GreyFoxx>RAP: Personally I'd recommened a PVR350 because that's where a lot of dev effort is and will be very well supported
01:24*RAP understands
01:24<GreyFoxx>mchou I'm playing around now trying to get proper overscan control. At the moment it's overscanning too much in my opinion
01:24<mchou>GreyFoxx: I dunno, $200 for pvr350, u can almost get a tivo.......
01:24<GreyFoxx>But since it's not well documented it just means lots of "set this value and see what happens" :)
01:25<GreyFoxx>mchou If that's all you want. My box is a file server for my photos, mp3's, lan storage, dev machine as well as PVR
01:25<tdb30_>with tivo don't forget to add in the subscription price.
01:25<ofer>and no (real) ability to upgrade
01:25<mchou>no, I'm not saying I'm fan of tivo, I'm just saying law of diminishing returns......
01:26<GreyFoxx>And of course I get more satisfaction from this :)
01:26<GreyFoxx>To most people this would be a waste of time, effort and money. And to them I would recommend a Tivo type solution
01:26<mchou>well, I dont think u'd want to upgrade SDTV tivo anyways.....
01:27<GreyFoxx>But I'm the type that also likes to compile everything from scratch so I like to get under the hood :)
01:27<mchou>GreyFoxx: gotcha....
01:27<RAP>I think the bigger Q, is in the long term, can we find a stable, cheaper, more powerful, and FREE tivo alternative
01:27<GreyFoxx>RAP: Not likely
01:27<GreyFoxx>For home users the hardware is just too costly
01:27<mchou>RAP, what do u mean, mythtv is free.....
01:28<GreyFoxx>Tivo types buy in bulk, and have custom hardware with only what they need in it
01:28<RAP>I have a guy who buys PC's by the pallet at auctions
01:28<RAP>so the actual pc cost is less important here
01:28<mchou>PC is too loud (fans)
01:29<GreyFoxx>But if you get something similar to a PVR350 then most of your CPU issues go away. So a lowcost cheapy system you get from a flea market would do the trick
01:29<ofer>mchou: tivo and replaytv also have fans
01:29<ofer>mchou: and friggen loud drives
01:29<mchou>I actuall would prefer a mythtv+Hauppauge MVP thin client type solution.....
01:30<RAP>with hard drive prices going down, I see saving your DVD's, movies, everything on the pc. or is that already happening with this
01:30<ofer>well, dvds are still ~5gb per movie
01:30<mchou>I wonder if tv-out on Hauppauge MVP is any good......
01:31<RAP>in my mind, thats one of the biggest advantages. nearly unlimited Disk space
01:31<mchou>ofer: apc + psu makes much more noise than tivo. To get it as silent u'd spend beaucoup $$$.
01:31<mikegrb>or buy an xbox
01:32<RAP>slap in another 120GB drive and call it good for another year
01:32<ofer>mchou: you havent played with little via epia stuff
01:32<mchou>mikegrb: agree w/u there....
01:32<mchou>ofer, no u havent played with epia stuff. Those are loud too M10000
01:32<ofer>i have a 933, its silent
01:33<RAP>is anyone using a pocketpc or palm to run their myth
01:33<ofer>slow, but quiet =)
01:33<mchou>ofer, epia are underpowered, & they're loud at the same time....
01:33<ofer>mchou: they can be fanless
01:34<mchou>ofer, my point exactly, $$$$
01:34<ofer>true true =)
01:34<ofer>but you can get the epia to run without cpu fan for pretty cheap
01:35<ofer>psu will still have fan
01:35<RAP>so ofer, why cant you run the myth frontend from your notebook
01:35<ofer>rap: i can, but i'd rather watch tv on my 19" screen
01:35<RAP>you cant run myth without the tv displaying
01:36<RAP>while having it display on the backend
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01:36<RAP>I think I see what you are looking for. Im interested inthe same thing
01:37<RAP>you want to just operate myth from your notebook, while letting your linux box display the video
01:37<RAP>thats what I want to do also, but use a handheld pc
01:37<ofer>i can do it from tvtime
01:37<RAP>or wait, it would all work fine, if you were outputting to a normal tv set.. right?
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01:39<ofer>same problem
01:39<ofer>need a way to send channel change signal to a running mythfrontend
01:39<RAP>if you were outputting to a tv set, you could just use tightvnc
01:39<ofer>huh? no
01:40<RAP>because you can run it on the backend without displaying the program on the screen
01:40<RAP>Im talking about IF you were outputting to a tv
01:41<tdb30_>See if xawtv will work to change your channels.
01:41<tdb30_>the command line version.
01:42<RAP>tbd30_: am I way off with even considering tightvnc as a solution?
01:42<ofer>tdb: tvtime will do it
01:43<Chutt>remote control would be easy to do
01:43<Chutt>no one has bothered to submit a patch for such a thing, and i don't have a need for it, however.
01:44<RAP>Im going to stfu until I can actually test this. I would like to use a handheld pc to operate..
01:46<tdb30_>so does myth actualy suck up all the free memory or is it just coincidence that I only have about 10K left?
01:46<RAP>how are you viewing mem usage
01:47<tdb30_>I'm trying to figure out my stability problems. I heard an athlon 1G, 512M and a pvr 350 should run ifne.
01:47<tdb30_>using free
01:47<mchou>tdb30_: linux uses as much memory as it can.....nothing to do w/ myth.....
01:47<RAP>I didnt think linux "cleared" mem
01:47<tdb30_>so then my stability must lie elsewhere.
01:47*RAP could be wrong though
01:47<tdb30_>any suggestions ;)
01:48<mchou>tdb30_: std troubleshooting, remove stuff one by one, see if system becomes more stable.....
01:48<RAP>I saw optimizations in the docs somewhere
01:50<tdb30_>well the only thing in there is the pvr 350 ;)
01:50<mchou>and m/b, ps, RAM......
01:50<mchou>and of cource CPU
01:51<tdb30_>yeah I'll just remove my motherboard and ram and give it a go
01:51<mchou>tdb30_: now u're getting the idea :)......
01:51<RAP>one last Q before I jet outta here. is knoppmyth anything worth checking out? anyone tried it?
02:01<ofer>damn focus
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03:20<cjs>anyone build their own IR transmitter?
03:23<tdb30_>I did
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03:28<RAP>is a zoran tuner card any good?
03:40<RAP>for some reason, I cant run the mythtvbackend now. command not found..
03:41<RAP>mythbackend. nvmd
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04:49<Smokie>i installed the latest mythnews from cvs. what key shows me the selected article ? I can select feeds and articles, but see only the headlines :-()
04:51<sfr_>afaik that's all mythnews does right now.
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05:00<Smokie>i installed tvtime yesterday, as you pointed my to tvmenu.xml. Works fine, but i miss the mythtv-epg. Is there a way to start mythepg while using tvtime ?
05:01<sfr_>iirc there was an option added to tvtime to start external applications some time ago, so you could run mythepg from tvtime.
05:02<Smokie>iirc ?
05:03<sfr_>if i remember correctly. jargon/dict is your friend :)
05:05<Smokie>.. if i know that it is a jargon ... :-)
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05:08<Smokie>Is there something like a getting started for developers on mythtv which`ll gave an overview ?
05:09<sfr_>your local cvs checkout of the source :)
05:10<sfr_>for plugins, it's said that mythnews is quite simple so you might start there.
05:10<Smokie>ohh, news is a nice addon, i thought about mythmusic
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08:14<debianboy>hey anyone alive here?
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09:41<tzanger>with the WinTV 350 is it possible to bypass the mpeg encoder (i.e. to get rid of the delay) ?
09:42<tzanger>basically all I'm interested in is passing through vid in -> vid out (computer doesn't need to see the actual stream)
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11:04<meth>bah leaving mythtv open watching tv overnight always locks my pc up
11:10<pahli_bar>meth: bttv?
11:12<pahli_bar>current bttv drivers are very sensitive to dropped frames (especially associated with irq latencies). i have seen similar lockups
11:13<meth>ya bttv
11:13<meth>tvtime would run all night
11:13<meth>but i spose it doesnt drop frames since its real time?
11:13<meth>as opposed to writing to hd
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13:51<Rroet>holy crapsors what have I gotten myself into.
13:51<Rroet>the official gentoo/epia/mythtv wiki is down...
14:08<Rroet>well official..
14:08<Rroet>the blade5 wiki is misteriously dissappeared.
14:09<kvandivo>didn't you know about its officialness, c?
14:09<Rroet>I know he had some server trouble and already offered him to take full use of as his primary base, but he didn't.
14:09<Rroet>now the blade5 wiki is totally down and I'm trying to scrape things together, built/changed a total of 20 ebuilds last night..
14:09<Chutt>i was unaware
14:10<Chutt>you're the guy distributing cvs mythtv ebuilds?
14:10<Rroet>Chutt: I've recreated all mythtv-0.13 ebuilds and created a complete mythtv-cvs branch as well.
14:10<kvandivo>ahh well.. i'm sure all the official people knew
14:10<Rroet>kvandivo: jup, wiki's been down for 3 / 4 days now.
14:10<Rroet>Chutt: why not have the cvs ebuilds?
14:11<Chutt>because people building from cvs should know they're building from cvs, and use the source.
14:11<Rroet>I'm planning on building in a pre_inst notice that will tell people not to ask questions about it.
14:11<kvandivo>if only they would listen
14:11<Rroet>Chutt: they know.. the mythtv-cvs can only be build by explicitely typing : mythtv-cvs
14:11<Chutt>packages of cvs means anon cvs access gets shut off.
14:12<Rroet>can I ask why ?
14:12<Chutt>i just said why
14:12<Rroet>people know when they're building from cvs or not.
14:12<Rroet>mythtv in gentoo will never built from cvs standard.
14:12<Chutt>i don't really care.
14:13<Chutt>all that will do would be to increase the number of people running old cvs checkouts.
14:13<Chutt>i will not have that.
14:13<sfr_>Chutt: Hi! Could this link be added on it explains the set up of a Matrox Millenium G400 (TV Out, DirecFB)
14:14<Rroet>true, people themselfs are always responsible to update their cvs builts
14:14<Chutt>sfr, sure
14:15<sfr_>i just cleaned up my bookmarks, and remembered it :)
14:15<Chutt>isn't there a section in the docs already about something like that?
14:15<Chutt>probably should go there..
14:15<Chutt>though, it'd probably be better to get a more stable link than to a wiki
14:15<sfr_>i'll check it (haven't looked closely at the docs in quite a while)
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14:22<Chutt>recompiling always takes so much time
14:23<kvandivo>i've grown fond of cachecc... or is it ccache...
14:23<kvandivo>course that doesn't help with recompiles that actually have to be compiled... if you know what i mean
14:27<Chutt>release -> debug mode
14:28<kvandivo>:) that's why i always compile in debug mode.. :)
14:28<Chutt>i always forget i left it in debug mode, then wonder why things don't play right with my test set
14:28<kvandivo>except on my xbox.. i doesn't run well in debug mode
14:28<kvandivo>i -> it
14:29<kvandivo>my backend and desktop can handle debug mode fine... not the 'box, though
14:33<Chutt>my machine can't play back hdtv in debug mode, and a couple of my test files are hd
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14:36<Rroet>the epia howto as far as I could rebuild what I know / know:
14:37<Rroet>still have to do some work on alsa
14:40<Chutt>there, resizable pip
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15:13<term>mdz: hey, I'm messing with rootstrap
15:13<term>mdz: not that you're around, but I had to patch the debian module to take --arch
15:13<mdz>term: I'm around
15:13<term>since I'm not using it on debian :)
15:13<term>ah, hi
15:13<mdz>but this would be better suited for #debian-devel
15:13<term>just wanted to tell you
15:13<term>I can send you the patch if you want.
15:13<mdz>sure, file it in the BTS
15:14<term>BTS? :)
15:14<mdz>bug tracking system
15:14<mdz>reportubg rootstrap
15:14<term>oh. duh.
15:14<mdz>that is the first I've heard of anyone using rootstrap on a non-Debian system
15:14<mdz>it worked OK apart from that?
15:15<term>I had to figure out the networking (hacked in printing ifconfig and route -n), but so far, it's now installing the packages
15:15<term>I'm using it on gentoo, there's an ebuild for it.
15:18<mdz>who made the ebuild? they never sent me email
15:18<term>hm, lemme look, assuming there's a name on it
15:19<term>mdz: 28 Sep 2003; Heinrich Wendel <> rootstrap-0.3.13.ebuild
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15:30<Chutt>captain_murdoch, hey
15:30<cmorgan>Chutt: get a chance to look at that patch? ;-)
15:30<Chutt>looked fine
15:31<Chutt>you weren't around last night when i was looking over patches and stuff :p
15:31<cmorgan>it was quite a big change
15:31<cmorgan>oh, oops
15:31<cmorgan>was at the mall exchanging stuff ;-)
15:31<Chutt>well, there was one thing -- by moving all that logic into updateVideo
15:32<Chutt>i'm not sure if that's the best thing to do
15:32<cmorgan>was trying to have one point for all video related interaction
15:33<cmorgan>where were you thinking it should go?
15:33<Chutt>i dunno
15:33<Chutt>need to think about it
15:33<Chutt>don't worry 'bout it or anything :p
15:34<cmorgan>i made sure that updateVideo has no side effects to non-video related things
15:34<cmorgan>which should make it safer than if item changing or other stuff was done in there
15:34<cmorgan>you want a trace stripped patch?
15:38<cmorgan>k, i'll send one in just a few, thanks for taking a look at the patch. i've tried to contribute to projects where the maintainers simply wouldn't look at submitted patches.
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15:43<cmorgan>Chutt: any plans to add debug printing like i did with the patch?
15:43<Chutt>generally, stuff like that is only useful when initially writing something
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15:43<Chutt>and it never gets used after
15:43<Chutt>so it's just code bloat, and makes it harder to read
15:44<cmorgan>Chutt: wine makes extensive use of it. proves to be useful for hard to find stuff sometimes
15:44<cmorgan>thats the only reason i ask ;-)
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15:45<Chutt>i dunno
15:46<Chutt>debug tracing is generally needed to be tailored to the actual bug
15:46<cmorgan>wine uses it for each function mostly so you can trace who is calling what
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15:53<pahli_bar>Chutt: i need to load some pixmaps for my uitype. is it ok to assume .png as extension for filename when using LoadScalePixmap
15:53<Chutt>that should be able to load anything that qt has in its image format list
15:53<Chutt>png, jpg, etc
15:54<pahli_bar>Chutt: so i don't specify the extension? just say LoadScalePixmap("test") for example
15:54<Chutt>where are you getting the filename?
15:54<Chutt>need the full path
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15:55<pahli_bar>the files are for the scrollarrows for eg. they will have names like lb-uparrow-reg.png
15:56<pahli_bar>if just specify lb-uparrow-reg.png it will use it either from the theme directory and if not found from the default theme dir
15:57<pahli_bar>so is it ok to hardcode the extension as png?
15:57<Chutt>won't the filename be getting loaded from a theme .xml file?
15:58<pahli_bar>Chutt: hmm. no. but you can use the same filename in a different theme and provide a different image.
15:58<Chutt>it should be in the theme file =)
15:58<Chutt>so you'd just load it from there and not worry about the extension
15:59<pahli_bar>i can see other examples like gg-arrow-left.png for guidegrid
15:59<Chutt>that're hardcoded in the source?
15:59<pahli_bar>i'm not sure. need to look
16:00<Chutt>i don't think any image filenames are hardcoded anywhere
16:00<Chutt>except maybe the mythgallery folder image
16:00<pahli_bar>hmm... i can see that the guidegrid images are not hardcoded.
16:03<pahli_bar>it makes it difficult, because the arrow/check/scroll pixmaps are specific to the uitype and their position has to dynamically determined according to the instance created
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16:04<Chutt>well, if you really want, you can just hardcode things and assume .png
16:05<pahli_bar>ok. i will do that. if the themers want to change the images, they just need to add new images with the same names. thanks
16:05<Chutt>but it'd be nice to have things in the theme xml as much as possible
16:07<pahli_bar>Chutt: that is correct. but makes the code lengthier in this case.
16:07<pahli_bar>BTW, the UIType is ready and here's a screenshot of it in action:
16:08<Chutt>looks great
16:08<Rroet>pahli_bar: nice theme
16:08<pahli_bar>i will send in patch today and then i can merge in the updated mythnews code
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16:14<mechou>Chutt, for sw encode, the blank frames (commercials) are no longer "detected" in-line while recording? Is this commercial detection always a "post-process" now?
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16:41<nijo>I have backend connection problems with tv.
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18:49<MythMichale>A quick question about MythTV operation. How does the MythBox change the channel on the set top box?
18:49<cmorgan>with an irblaster
18:50<cmorgan>or serial connectino from your pc to the cable box
18:50<roodee>damn, these prebuffering pauses are killing me
18:51<Chutt>cmorgan, you haven't sent that patch in yet, have you?
18:52<cmorgan>Chutt: i have
18:52<Chutt>the mail server was having issues for a bit
18:52<cmorgan>should i send it again?
18:52<cmorgan>or directly to you?
18:52<cmorgan>unfortunately some of the lines will conflict with the patch from avalanche
18:52<cmorgan>he also removed the ignoreevents flag
18:52<Chutt>send it directly to me
18:52<Chutt>i'll merge the two patches tonight
18:53<Chutt>it'll show up on the list eventually, but.. =)
18:53<cmorgan>there ya go
18:53<cmorgan>i'm surprised no one has complained about that particular delay before ;-)
18:53<kvandivo>i find it amusing when people post to the list "I've been following the list for the past week or two and I was just wondering if there is a list of TODOs out there anywhere"
18:54<cmorgan>is there a list of todo's on the website?
19:02<cmorgan>Chutt: email come through?
19:03<kvandivo>just showed up on the list for me
19:12<kvandivo>stuart has an extremely small video partition for myth, apparently.
19:13<kvandivo>and malcolm must think that dvd rom drives use a lot of cpu
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19:29<pahli_bar>only microsoft can design such a ridiculous image format: ico
19:31<Chutt>nothin like storing images upside down
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19:32<pahli_bar>no loaders for ico in qt. sigh... will have to port it from somewhere
19:32<Chutt>there's not a .bmp loader?
19:32<pahli_bar>ico files can be different from bmp.
19:33<Chutt>they can have more images in em
19:33<pahli_bar>like tiff. directories and stuff
19:33<kvandivo>with favicon.ico i'm surprised qt doesn't have support for reading it
19:34<Chutt>i'd try forcing it to use the .bmp loader
19:34<Chutt>if it works most of the time, then..
19:34<pahli_bar>kde has a loader for it. ugly hack though. uses qpixmap in a loader...
19:35<pahli_bar>hmmm... tried renaming the ico file to bmp.. no go.
19:35<pahli_bar>not in qt. imlib2 (which handles bmp files)
19:36<rkulagow_>if it wasn't for the fact that i have no other broadband options i would have dumped comcast long ago. i'm at 12 days now with partial internet connectivity, and the phone monkeys keep telling me to reset my browser cache when i keep telling them that it's a routing problem in _their_ equipment because of where traceroute dies.
19:36<rkulagow_>ok, enough venting.
19:36<kvandivo>you're probably just _thinking_ that it is dying there because your browser has cached that. if i were you i'd try clearing out your browser cache
19:37<rkulagow_>thanks, maybe i'll try that after rebooting my pc. :)
19:37<kvandivo>oh, reinstall windows at some step in there as well
19:38<kvandivo>that's bound to help
19:39<rkulagow_>about the only thing i'll do is reset the cable modem, since they can actually see that. everything else is "uh huh. yeah, ok, i'll do that. <pause> ok, it's still not working"
19:50<MythMichale>Something sorta unrelated to Myth, but important. Can anyone reccomend a good OutDoor HDTV Antenna that would bring in HD from, say 50-60 miles away??
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20:46<tdb30_>can someone tell me why when I change channels only one number appears in the upper left hand corner and gets replaced when I enter the second number.
20:48<Chutt>you have the 'change channels immediately' option selected
20:52<tdb30_>ahh. me kicks himself. That was it.
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20:58<tdb30_>humm. is it looking for KP_Enter after the numbers or some other code? Its now doing the numbers right but they just fade away. I looked in keys.txt but It says Enter should be corrent.
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20:59<Chutt>cmorgan, scrolling through the list seems a lot slower with your patch
20:59<kvandivo>oh, did he call that the "speed it up" patch? he meant to call it the "slow it down" patch
21:07<pahli_bar>sucks. after getting the ico image loader to work, realized that icos will look good only a white background. and who the hell wants a white background in their theme
21:10<cmorgan>Chutt: hmm... it should be quicker
21:12<cmorgan>Chutt: i'll take a look at it. i'm surprised it is slower though since key handling should be decoupled from video processing
21:12<cmorgan>sorry about that
21:16<Chutt>cmorgan, before, i could hold down the arrow key, and scroll really fast through things
21:16<Chutt>now, it waits after each item
21:18<pahli_bar>nitey nite all. be back tomorrow
21:19<Chutt>pahli_bar, i've got your stuff applied to my local tree
21:19<Chutt>will check it in tonight
21:19<pahli_bar>ok. everything look ok?
21:20<pahli_bar>cool. thanks. will see you guys tomorrow
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21:38<kvandivo>should we be .utf()ing QStrings when passing them as args to create a new QString (destined to be a sql query)
21:38<kvandivo>i see both
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21:47<Chutt>sometimes yes, sometimes no
21:48<kvandivo>:) i ended up just mimic'ing some other code that was doing something similar (which did, in fact, utf it)
21:49<Chutt>if mysql had utf8 support
21:49<Chutt>wouldn't have to worry
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22:00*Misirlou whispers, "Go PostgreSQL!"
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22:35<cmorgan>Chiphead: so this qte.... ;-)
22:35<cmorgan>easy to setup?
22:36<cmorgan>X is being retarded with the ivtv-fb
22:36<Chiphead>:) easy is such a subjective term
22:36<Chiphead>its a piece of cake once you have done it once
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22:37<Chiphead>the qte stuff was the easist
22:37<Chiphead>the directfb was a bit of a bear
22:37<cmorgan>qte would use the ivtv-fb?
22:37<Chiphead>but you dont need that
22:37<Chiphead>maybe if it is a dev/fbdev
22:38<Chiphead>if its a standard linux frame buffer I dont see why it wouldnt
22:38<Chiphead>here is my config line for qte:
22:38<cmorgan>trying to figure how what option sets the ivtv driver to output to svideo...
22:39<Chiphead>./configure -qt-gif -no-exceptions -disable-opengl -qt-imgfmt-png -qt-imgfmt-jpeg -qt-imgfmt-mng -thread -qt-sql-mysql -I/usr/include/mysql/
22:39<Chiphead>then just build it and set your QTDIR env to point to where you built is and build myth
22:40<cmorgan>that is the option for building myth?
22:40<Chiphead>make sure you get the latest... I had troubles with older versions
22:40<Chiphead>no for building qte
22:41<Chiphead>myth you just build as normal. the qmake will take care of setting the stuff up and I have the proper defs in the source to do it
22:42<Chiphead>nothing special to do in myth if your not building the directfb videoout driver
22:43<Chiphead>my current project is getting qt-directfb working, then I dcan have a pure directfb env.
22:44<Chiphead>then integrate mythtv into freevo as a tvviewer all running under directfb very fast blackbox
22:44<Chiphead>an xbox ofcourse
22:45<Chiphead>then roll it all into a single executable that can be launched from the xbox dashboard.
22:46<Chiphead>my holy grail
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23:19<ShockValue>hi all.. im having a bit of trouble ripping dvd's with mythdvd
23:20<ShockValue>it rips OK, but I'm trying to get it to use the DTS audio.. I select "en dts 6ch" before I rip, but the audio is still played back as DD5.1 when i stream it back
23:20<ShockValue>any suggestions?
23:22<ShockValue>also, playing from the DVD disc itself, it plays DTS fine when i select it
23:25<mikegrb>Chiphead: looks like I won't be much further ahead of you, qt seems to disable -jN when building it
23:26<Chiphead>:) told ya to start building it last week :)
23:26<Chiphead>8h build on an xbox
23:27*Chiphead has had to build it prolly 20 times
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23:34<mikegrb>Chiphead: at least I have your configure line ;)
23:34<Chiphead>:) yeah I did the hard part
23:34<mikegrb>after I get this built I'll build myth with it just to see the menus and stuff
23:34<mikegrb>then I'll muck with directfb
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23:35<mikegrb>once I've gone threw all the steps I'll write a little setup howto
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23:35<mikegrb>stuff like the ./configure arguments etc
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23:43<Rule>Hi all. Is anyone using mythweb ? It seems I cannot see the Sheduled Recordings for 2004 :) Is this a bug, or do I have myself to blame ?
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23:58<cmorgan>Chutt: you here?
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