| --- | Log | opened Wed Dec 31 00:00:41 2003 |
| --- | Day | changed Wed Dec 31 2003 |
| 00:00 | <cmorgan> | so i found the source of the delays |
| 00:00 | <dopez> | Rule: not sure about mythweb, i do know that tv_grab_nl is having some trouble grabbing anything from 2004 |
| 00:01 | <dopez> | not sure if your using that tho |
| 00:01 | <cmorgan> | appears to be in killPlayer(). qApp is locked so no more events are being processed and we then wait for nvp to start playing, then we pause the rbuffer and wait until its paused then we stop nvp and wait until it stops |
| 00:01 | <cmorgan> | this can take some 4000ms in some cases |
| 00:02 | <Rule> | dopez : I verified that it is in fact in the database, xmltv is ok |
| 00:02 | <cmorgan> | i think the old code had this delay but it had unlock/processEvents/locks inside of killPlayer() |
| 00:02 | <cmorgan> | so events were being handled |
| 00:02 | <dopez> | Rule: nevermind me then ;) |
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| 00:12 | <Chutt> | events weren't being handled, that was all wrapped in an ignoreevents |
| 00:15 | <cmorgan> | ahh yes |
| 00:15 | <cmorgan> | any ideas? |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 00:15 | <cmorgan> | i was going to just start inserting timers all over |
| 00:15 | <cmorgan> | i'm surprised it is slower.... :-( |
| 00:16 | <cmorgan> | you don't get the pause when starting playback? |
| 00:16 | <cmorgan> | the change defers starting nvp until the next video update |
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| 00:17 | <cmorgan> | maybe that is making the delay for it to start longer so we wait longer for it to start in killPlayer()... |
| 00:17 | <cmorgan> | could you add the unlock/processEvents/lock lines into killPlayer() and see if that makes it go away? |
| 00:18 | <cmorgan> | the bad delay that is |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | the initial startup delay was 500 ms before |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | now, i think you just do 33 ms, right? |
| 00:20 | <cmorgan> | that would make sense |
| 00:20 | <cmorgan> | since i don't actually start anything |
| 00:21 | <Chutt> | well, the old timer was a singleshot one |
| 00:21 | <Chutt> | i think |
| 00:21 | <Chutt> | so it'd get reset all the time |
| 00:22 | <cmorgan> | i didn't change any of the timer stuff |
| 00:22 | <cmorgan> | just made it use a 1000/30 timer all of the time |
| 00:22 | <cmorgan> | figured it wouldn't hurt to have extra update events in the case where we didn't need them, we don't actually do anything in those cases anyway |
| 00:24 | <Chutt> | yeah, except for when it was delaying the start for user input to happen =) |
| 00:24 | <Chutt> | i'm going through and making the ringbuffer's readahead thread not used for the previews |
| 00:24 | <cmorgan> | what will that do? |
| 00:25 | <cmorgan> | oh i see |
| 00:25 | <cmorgan> | in updateInfo() the timer->start(500) |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | well, it won't take time to shut it down anymore |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | should speed that all up a bit |
| 00:25 | <cmorgan> | i should remove that in the code i sent you |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | remove what? |
| 00:26 | <cmorgan> | the call to timer->start() in updateInfo() |
| 00:26 | <cmorgan> | we never stop the timer |
| 00:26 | <cmorgan> | so there is no need to have it hold off for 500ms |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | err |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | the point of that 500 ms there was to have it not start the preview window for a little bit |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | so the user could possibly hit another key and not have to wait while it started the preview playback |
| 00:28 | <cmorgan> | but now we don't need to wait |
| 00:28 | <cmorgan> | the user can change selections without the nvp starting up |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | how? |
| 00:29 | <cmorgan> | all nvp stuff is done via updateVideo() |
| 00:29 | <cmorgan> | even if nvp is starting up the user can switch selections |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | that's in the same thread that the keypress handler is in |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | it's still blocking |
| 00:30 | <cmorgan> | but updateVideo() isn't waiting for the player to start like before |
| 00:30 | <cmorgan> | it just exits out and checks next time |
| 00:30 | <cmorgan> | there is that unfortunate delay in killPlayer() though... |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | it's waiting for it to die, though. |
| 00:31 | <cmorgan> | if that could be fixed that would be quite nice |
| 00:31 | <Chutt> | so, it's still waiting. |
| 00:31 | <Chutt> | and the net effect is that the new code is slower than the old stuff. |
| 00:31 | <cmorgan> | i still don't think the 500ms delay is necessary now that we aren't waiting for it to start although that would avoid having to kill it... |
| 00:31 | <Chutt> | that's the whole point. |
| 00:31 | <cmorgan> | i'll state machine up the killPlayer() routine |
| 00:31 | <cmorgan> | so we can check and exit |
| 00:32 | <cmorgan> | rather than sit and spin |
| 00:32 | <Chutt> | that'll slow things down |
| 00:32 | <cmorgan> | that should eliminate the delay on shutdown |
| 00:32 | <cmorgan> | we would be processing key events during that time |
| 00:32 | <Chutt> | as you'll only be checking every so often, instead of killing off things in order properly |
| 00:32 | <cmorgan> | and updating the list text |
| 00:32 | <Chutt> | right, but it'll slow down the whole preview startup/shutdown process. |
| 00:32 | <cmorgan> | we'll check 30 times a second i think |
| 00:33 | <cmorgan> | each time the timer expires |
| 00:33 | <cmorgan> | so there will be some wasted time but maybe 3/30th of a second? |
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| 00:35 | <cmorgan> | i'd hate to give up on the patch at this point |
| 00:36 | <cmorgan> | let me move the delay in starting up the new playback |
| 00:36 | <cmorgan> | and see about fixing up killPlayer() |
| 00:37 | <cmorgan> | i'll have the updateVideo routine wait 'X'ms after it sees that it should start a new playback |
| 00:37 | <cmorgan> | that should keep from having to wait to kill it |
| 00:37 | <cmorgan> | having killPlayer() not sit and wait should really speed things up |
| 00:37 | <Chutt> | having it not run the readahead thread should help more |
| 00:37 | <Chutt> | and i'm almost done with that.. |
| 00:37 | <cmorgan> | if those two are fixed and its faster is it good to go? |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 00:38 | <cmorgan> | ;-) |
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| 00:38 | <Chutt> | what about the timer->stop at the top of killplayer? |
| 00:38 | <cmorgan> | alright. i'll fix it up a bit tomorrow. i think it should be quite smooth after those changes. |
| 00:38 | <cmorgan> | that will have to go |
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| 00:38 | <ShockValue> | anyone here use NVTV? |
| 00:38 | <cmorgan> | since we'll need the timer to update us |
| 00:39 | <cmorgan> | i'll shut it down at some other time prior to destroying the object |
| 00:39 | <ShockValue> | im trying to figure out how to put a +2 horizontal shift on the command line. |
| 00:39 | <cmorgan> | Chutt: as usual your help has been very helpful ;-) |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | i'll probably commit some of this tonight |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | as i want to get pahli_bar's stuff in |
| 00:41 | <cmorgan> | the stuff i sent in or the ringbuffer stuff? |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | both |
| 00:42 | <cmorgan> | alright. i'll merge up any differences and send you a patch tomorrow sometime. |
| 00:42 | <cmorgan> | night, and thanks again |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | great |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | later. |
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| 01:09 | <ShockValue> | ok, so i ripped a DVD in perfect mode, with the "en 6 ch DTS" option on. yet when i play it back, it comes in as DD5.1.. what did i do wrong here? |
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| 10:47 | <Henk_Poley> | Is there someone around who knows about setting up mythtv in Europe (esp. the Netherlands) |
| 10:48 | <Henk_Poley> | Or some (working/usefull) pointers |
| 10:48 | <Henk_Poley> | There is supposed to be some "non US" doc, but there's only an 'under construction' notice on that website |
| 10:49 | <sfr> | where do you have problems, Henk_Poley? |
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| 10:51 | <Henk_Poley> | no problems untill now, I just bought the hardware, it will arive in a week or so |
| 10:51 | <Henk_Poley> | But I thought I'd better be prepared |
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| 10:52 | <Henk_Poley> | The intructions in the normal docs at mythtv.org are sometimes quite USA centric |
| 10:52 | <Henk_Poley> | But maybe the XMLTV stuff is now in such a good shape that I can use the standard package (that at least, wasn't the case 6 months or so ago) |
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| 10:54 | <Henk_Poley> | I've stopped really reading the mailinglist (err mailingflood) 6 months ago |
| 10:55 | <cmorgan> | haha |
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| 10:56 | <sfr> | for setting up your channels, it's probably best to set up xawtv first (if possible) and then use your xawtvrc file with mythfilldatabase. and add the --preset option as well (this option isn't mentioned in the docs afaik, see mythfilldatabase --help for what it does) |
| 10:57 | <Henk_Poley> | thank you, nice to know |
| 10:57 | <Henk_Poley> | I knew there was 'something' with setting the channels up via xawtv yes |
| 10:59 | <Henk_Poley> | btw, does anybody know a list of keys used to steer mythtv? So I can see if I need to get another remote or something |
| 10:59 | <sfr> | keys.txt in the source tree |
| 10:59 | <Henk_Poley> | Hmmm, "handy" |
| 11:00 | <Henk_Poley> | Is there a CVS html viewer, for mythtv CVS? I don't really need the full tree now |
| 11:00 | <Henk_Poley> | Or can somebody put up the file somewhere. |
| 11:00 | <sfr> | yes |
| 11:01 | <Henk_Poley> | And can anybody say if going the simple "KnoppMyth" path would be handy? |
| 11:02 | <Henk_Poley> | I'm going to use a Pundit with Celeron 2.4GHz and 512MB RAM, so I think I won't *need* optimizations, but well... |
| 11:04 | <Henk_Poley> | Found one http://stealthboy.dyndns.org/~msherman/keys.txt |
| 11:09 | <Henk_Poley> | The mouse doesn't do anything in MythTV isn't it? |
| 11:12 | * | Henk_Poley guesses he's asking the wrong questions at the wrong time ;) |
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| 11:13 | <rkulagow> | it only took 12 days for comcast to fix their routing outage. that's outstanding. |
| 11:13 | <rkulagow> | and i only had 2836 messages in the queue. |
| 11:16 | <Henk_Poley> | rkulagow: mostly mythh-users and myth-dev mails? ... |
| 11:17 | <rkulagow> | 935 -users, 261 -dev, 290 ivtv and a bunch in nanog and bugtraq and stuff. |
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| 12:01 | <Henk_Poley> | Does anybody know how long a stage 1 Gentoo install of mythtv should take on a Celeron 2.4 ? |
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| 12:42 | <sfr> | bitbyte: done |
| 12:44 | <bitbyte> | woohoo!! |
| 12:45 | <bitbyte> | how big is it? |
| 12:45 | <sfr> | bitbyte: including a few minutes pre/postroll ~920MB |
| 12:45 | <bitbyte> | little bigger than we thought |
| 12:45 | <bitbyte> | but not significantly |
| 12:46 | <bitbyte> | i figured about 800 |
| 12:46 | <sfr> | i guess the high-res probably wasn't necessary on ~35 years old film material :) |
| 12:46 | <bitbyte> | perhaps |
| 12:47 | <bitbyte> | altho sometimes a low quality recording only takes a bad picture and makes it even worse |
| 12:47 | <bitbyte> | i've seen that happen lots of times |
| 12:47 | <bitbyte> | its like making a copy of a vhs tape on another vhs tape |
| 12:47 | <sfr> | hah, exactly 30 minutes long |
| 12:47 | <bitbyte> | ok |
| 12:48 | <bitbyte> | i thought more like 20, but it's been 3 years since i've seen it |
| 12:48 | <sfr> | the show itself is a few minutes shorter |
| 12:48 | <bitbyte> | if you want to convert it to a divx to make it smaller thats fine, i can reconvert it back on my side |
| 12:49 | <sfr> | i don't care about the filesize, if that is your concern. |
| 12:49 | <bitbyte> | yes |
| 12:49 | <bitbyte> | i just tohught it would take a lot less time to download |
| 12:51 | <bitbyte> | i dont want to take up your bandwidth for a long time |
| 12:51 | <bitbyte> | you said you are capped at 10kBytes/second? |
| 12:51 | <sfr> | hm, i've actually never converted s/t to divx :) about maybe ~14kBytes |
| 12:51 | <bitbyte> | i dont think it's hard |
| 12:52 | <bitbyte> | let me find the software a second |
| 12:52 | <sfr> | transcode? |
| 12:52 | <bitbyte> | yes |
| 12:54 | <bitbyte> | you on windows? |
| 12:54 | <bitbyte> | please say yes! |
| 12:54 | <bitbyte> | hehe |
| 12:54 | <sfr> | suggest a working combination of cmdline args for transcode and i'll use that. :) Hell, no. |
| 12:55 | <bitbyte> | the software is called transcode |
| 12:55 | <bitbyte> | you have that? |
| 12:55 | <sfr> | bitbyte: i'll see if i can get it transcoded in the next days. |
| 12:55 | <sfr> | bitbyte: yes, sure. |
| 12:56 | <bitbyte> | i'm lookin for a howto now |
| 13:02 | <bitbyte> | hm |
| 13:02 | <bitbyte> | i just keep seeing vob2divx4.pl stuff |
| 13:02 | <bitbyte> | doe stranscode include a bunch of other perl scripts for mpg to divx? |
| 13:02 | <bitbyte> | i'm surprised it can read a vob directly, typically you have to extract them first |
| 13:03 | <sfr> | the power of unix, hehe |
| 13:03 | <sfr> | hm, there is nuvexport |
| 13:04 | <bitbyte> | this would be dead easy on a window smachine |
| 13:04 | <bitbyte> | hehe |
| 13:05 | <sfr> | rm 1021_20031231181300_20031231183300.nuv, ups |
| 13:05 | <sfr> | ;) |
| 13:06 | <bitbyte> | eek |
| 13:08 | <bitbyte> | it's mpeg2 right? |
| 13:08 | <sfr> | yes |
| 13:09 | <sfr> | i'll play with nuvexport a bit, it's time to move some recordings to cd anyway |
| 13:09 | <bitbyte> | MEncoder should be able to do this |
| 13:09 | <bitbyte> | it's part of Mplayer |
| 13:10 | <bitbyte> | i'mlooking for a howto now |
| 13:10 | <sfr> | yes. all the tools are there, i just never used them :) |
| 13:11 | <Henk_Poley> | Some 'frontend' of the kind, take this input, make it VCD compatible (or something) would be handy though |
| 13:12 | <bitbyte> | indeed |
| 13:15 | <Henk_Poley> | Please note that even on windows that doesn't really exist |
| 13:15 | <bitbyte> | yes it does |
| 13:15 | <bitbyte> | www.divx.com |
| 13:15 | <bitbyte> | and it's free |
| 13:15 | <bitbyte> | :) |
| 13:16 | <Henk_Poley> | For example the otherwise excelent Gordian Knot has magnificent bitrate calcs etc. but it only rips DVDs... |
| 13:16 | <bitbyte> | i'll bbiab |
| 13:16 | <bitbyte> | i'll keep lookin sfr |
| 13:16 | <Henk_Poley> | It converts them to about any format on the planet though... |
| 13:17 | <bitbyte> | i was thinking he could use a program to make a vob from the mpg he has now, and then use transcode to convert it, that shoudl be simple, but a bit more involved than i think he wants to gte |
| 13:17 | <bitbyte> | get |
| 13:17 | <bitbyte> | bbiab |
| 13:18 | * | sfr cuts off the pre/postroll parts, i'm too nice |
| 13:22 | * | pahli_bar wonders if there's a clean way to mix qt widgets and myh uitypes |
| 13:22 | <Chutt> | pahli_bar, thor's doing it in mythdvd |
| 13:22 | <pahli_bar> | cool. off to downloading mythdvd... thanks |
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| 13:22 | <Chutt> | he is just using a line edit box |
| 13:23 | <Chutt> | but, think that should work for other stuff |
| 13:23 | <pahli_bar> | thats good enuf. i just want to add a spinbox |
| 13:25 | <sfr> | anyone here used nuvexport? it only removes a recording with the nuv/sql export option, right? |
| 13:25 | <sfr> | err, removing from the db that is |
| 13:26 | <acm> | hrm, mythweb chokes if mythfilldatabase hasnt been run.. |
| 13:27 | <acm> | Fatal Error at /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/includes/programs.php, line 85: load_all_program_data() attempted with an empty $Channels array |
| 13:27 | <Chutt> | so fill the database |
| 13:27 | <pahli_bar> | acm: so run mythfilldatabase |
| 13:27 | <acm> | yeah i am. should have some sorta nice msg there tho |
| 13:27 | <acm> | cause im new and it took me a while to figure that out |
| 13:27 | <Chutt> | you can't watch tv or schedule recordings with an empty database either |
| 13:27 | <pahli_bar> | what would you expect to see there if there is not db |
| 13:27 | <acm> | "run mythfilldatabase" :) |
| 13:28 | <Chutt> | the docs tell you to run it after finishing the setup app |
| 13:28 | <acm> | not a php error |
| 13:28 | <Chutt> | the setup app itself tells you to run it after finishing |
| 13:28 | <acm> | yes yes i know |
| 13:28 | <pahli_bar> | acm: guess you started from the wrong end of the install :) |
| 13:28 | <acm> | im just saying its not very robust if not running it can crash the php script |
| 13:28 | <Chutt> | pahli_bar, you going to merge in your updated mythnews stuff today? |
| 13:28 | <Chutt> | acm, feel free to submit a patch, then |
| 13:29 | <acm> | i might! |
| 13:29 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: the mainwindow is ready. i can merge it in. |
| 13:29 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: working on a themed setup now |
| 13:29 | <Chutt> | ah, ok |
| 13:30 | <pahli_bar> | want to get replace the clunky ole listview(s) with some nice uitype(s) |
| 13:30 | <pahli_bar> | s/get// |
| 13:32 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 13:33 | <Chutt> | i broke some widget focusing last night |
| 13:33 | <Chutt> | ah well |
| 13:33 | <pahli_bar> | in ...? |
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| 13:34 | <Chutt> | everywhere =) |
| 13:34 | <pahli_bar> | heh |
| 13:35 | <pahli_bar> | nice.. thor used uiblackhole to fix the geometry of the lineedit. very clever |
| 13:35 | <Chutt> | he wrote all that in the first place, so =) |
| 13:36 | <pahli_bar> | guess he wrote uiblackhole to do that hack, eh! |
| 13:36 | <pahli_bar> | necessity being mother of invention |
| 13:36 | <bitbyte> | sfr, does your ftp server support resume for downloads? |
| 13:36 | <sfr> | i guess so, it's proftpd |
| 13:37 | <bitbyte> | probably does |
| 13:37 | <bitbyte> | send me the login info and i'll give it a shot whenever you are ready |
| 13:37 | <sfr> | nuvexport doesn't seem to like utf-8, always gets stuck when showing the description |
| 13:37 | <bitbyte> | i'm guessing you have to somehow get it from nuv to mpeg or something? |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | the uiblackhole stuff was for the mythmusic vis, originally |
| 13:38 | <meth> | anyone have a dvb-s card or using a satellite receiver with mythtv? |
| 13:38 | <sfr> | bitbyte: i wanted to encode it as a divx using nuvexport |
| 13:41 | <acm> | should mythweb 0.13 work fine w/mythtv 0.12? |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | no. |
| 13:43 | <acm> | doh. getting : SQL Error: Unknown column 'recpriority' in 'field list' |
| 13:43 | <acm> | when i try to record.. |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | because it's not compatible. |
| 13:45 | <acm> | ok |
| 13:45 | <bitbyte> | sfr, ok, however you want, i dont wnat this to becoem a lot of trouble for you tho |
| 13:45 | <bitbyte> | and i dont mind fussing with the mpeg2 here on my system |
| 13:45 | <acm> | all i had to choose from in emerge |
| 13:46 | <sfr> | bitbyte: it wouldn't be if nuvexport would work/i knew why it seems to get stuck. i'll just make the nuv file available for download |
| 13:46 | <bitbyte> | we could give the download a try and see how fast it goes along |
| 13:47 | <Chutt> | mythtv 0.13 is in gentoo. |
| 13:47 | <bitbyte> | ok, so whats an nuv then? |
| 13:47 | <bitbyte> | and will i be able to work with it? |
| 13:47 | <bitbyte> | or do i need myth installed? |
| 13:47 | <sfr> | bitbyte: just rename it to mpeg |
| 13:47 | <bitbyte> | ah ok |
| 13:47 | <bitbyte> | thats fine |
| 13:48 | <bitbyte> | if the ftp supports resume, i can get it in bits and pieces |
| 13:48 | <bitbyte> | i would think it does |
| 13:48 | <bitbyte> | most all of them support it for downloads, only a few for uploads |
| 13:49 | <bitbyte> | with any luck i'll be able to get on your ftp from work |
| 13:49 | <bitbyte> | depends on how you have it configured, our firewalls are a pain in the ass |
| 13:49 | <bitbyte> | just msg me the info plz, i am heading back to work now |
| 13:49 | <bitbyte> | (i'm at home now) |
| 13:50 | <bitbyte> | :) |
| 13:50 | <sfr> | bitbyte: ok |
| 13:50 | <bitbyte> | thanks again |
| 13:50 | <bitbyte> | the entire family thanks you! |
| 13:50 | <sfr> | bitbyte: you got another 5 minutes? |
| 13:54 | <kvandivo> | just had a random thought... it might be neat when using preroll to have a flag to have playback default to starting at the "expected start time". So, if you had things set to start recording 2 minutes early when you actually played it it would start 2 minutes into the recording... could be done with an autobookmark, i suppose.. although not real clean.. |
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| 14:04 | <meth> | is it possible to use a smart card w/ dvb to decode encrypted satellite signals? |
| 14:05 | <cmorgan> | i've heard of apps that will decrypt scrambled cable, not sure if they work though ;-) |
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| 14:06 | <meth> | ive read a few things on this just hard to find a good source of info |
| 14:06 | <meth> | i dont want to illegaly decrypt it |
| 14:06 | <meth> | so its gotta be done with the smartcard,pccard |
| 14:07 | <meth> | Nova-t PCI product can receive and show digital TV. (DVB Free-to-Air channels) |
| 14:07 | <meth> | free-to-air i imagine is non encrypted |
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| 14:10 | <meth> | im trying to setup myth on a sat card where i dont need a normal sat. receiver |
| 14:10 | <meth> | doesnt look very possible |
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| 14:46 | <bitbyte> | anyone here running myth on an xbox? |
| 14:46 | <MythMichale> | Yes... Sorta :) |
| 14:47 | <MythMichale> | I have it installed, but have yet to connect it to my back end... |
| 14:47 | <bitbyte> | is it cd bootable? or do you ahve to install it on the harddrive? I'd like to be able to multitask an xbox for playback as well as normal usage as a game console |
| 14:49 | <kvandivo> | check out the knopp project. i believe they made a livecd for the 'xbox |
| 14:49 | <kvandivo> | i know someone did.. mythtv.org has a comment on it as well |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | in the links section |
| 14:51 | <MythMichale> | I have it installed on the HD |
| 14:53 | <bitbyte> | MythMichael, are you still able to use the xbox as a game console? |
| 14:54 | <kvandivo> | xbox-linux.org, bitbyte. it will have answers to a lot of your questions. |
| 14:54 | <MythMichale> | Yep.... I run it thru EVOX and have a MYTH link on the main menu |
| 14:54 | <bitbyte> | aha, thanks very much kvandivo |
| 14:54 | <kvandivo> | also, xbox-scene.com has a bunch of stuff |
| 14:55 | <bitbyte> | very nice Michael. I think I may have found a way to convince the wife to let me buy an xbox! |
| 14:55 | <kvandivo> | :) once you get one you'll want two |
| 14:55 | <kvandivo> | since i didn't get a second for christmas for my second tv i might end up getting another one myself |
| 14:57 | <bitbyte> | i already planning on that haha |
| 14:58 | <bitbyte> | it's a cheap front end, and you get to play games on it too! |
| 14:58 | <bitbyte> | hehe |
| 15:01 | <MythMichale> | Bit I have seen them for as cheep as $100 The last one I got (we have 2) I paid $125 including shipping |
| 15:01 | <bitbyte> | i've seen them refurbed for 139 |
| 15:01 | <bitbyte> | locally |
| 15:01 | <bitbyte> | and i live out in the sticks |
| 15:01 | <bitbyte> | hehe |
| 15:01 | <meth> | i got 2 from bestbuy, both broke within 2weeks |
| 15:03 | <bitbyte> | warranties ar eyour friend |
| 15:04 | <meth> | :) |
| 15:05 | <meth> | for $130 tho it would make a great frontend |
| 15:05 | <meth> | better then a 333 or similar, only thing thats gonna be around $100 for a full pc |
| 15:06 | <bitbyte> | exactly |
| 15:06 | <bitbyte> | hard ot get even a crappy computer for 130 dollars |
| 15:06 | <bitbyte> | michael, any particular mod chip you recommend? |
| 15:07 | <MythMichale> | Actually, I would recomend against a mod chip... |
| 15:07 | <MythMichale> | Do the 2 Solder mod and then the Mech Installer... |
| 15:07 | <bitbyte> | hm |
| 15:07 | <bitbyte> | i'm guessing you mean ot piggyback to bios'es? |
| 15:08 | <bitbyte> | i'll have ot go read up on this |
| 15:08 | <MythMichale> | I have one that is hard mod-ed and one that is Chip modded.. And the hard modded one is a LOT more reliable... |
| 15:08 | <MythMichale> | xbox-scene has some of the best info around |
| 15:08 | <MythMichale> | But since I have started in Myth, I haven't kept up on my XBOX.... |
| 15:08 | <meth> | any of you two use satellite? |
| 15:09 | <bitbyte> | yeah, is it info on the har dmod itself? or mythTV too? |
| 15:09 | <bitbyte> | i use satellite, but not myth yet |
| 15:09 | <bitbyte> | so i dont know if i'll be of much help |
| 15:09 | <meth> | hehe |
| 15:09 | <meth> | nope :) |
| 15:10 | <bitbyte> | :) |
| 15:10 | <bitbyte> | but i know about pvr's quite well and i know a lot about satellite |
| 15:10 | <bitbyte> | just not myth specifically |
| 15:11 | <bitbyte> | i think chutt wishes i'd go away :) |
| 15:13 | <MythMichale> | I was bummed to learn that the pcHDTV card can only do OTA :^( |
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| 15:18 | <sfr_> | bitbyte: you don't even use mythtv yet? if i had known this before |
| 15:19 | <bitbyte> | ut oh |
| 15:20 | <bitbyte> | i'm building the system now |
| 15:20 | * | bitbyte starts the download as quickly as he can |
| 15:21 | <bitbyte> | are you going to hold that against me? |
| 15:22 | <sfr_> | hehe, i might have had second thoughts about recording that show for you (um, does that make sense?) |
| 15:23 | <Chutt> | i've spent entirely too long cleaning this patch up |
| 15:24 | <cmorgan> | Chutt: setEnabled(false) doesn't appear to be working in playbackbox |
| 15:25 | <Chutt> | hm? |
| 15:25 | <cmorgan> | i'm able to enter exitWin() multiple times |
| 15:25 | <Chutt> | holding down the escape key? |
| 15:26 | <cmorgan> | hitting alt-esc a couple of times |
| 15:26 | <cmorgan> | not very close together |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | i'll attempt to reproduce |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | in the middle of a recompile right now, though |
| 15:27 | <cmorgan> | i've state machined killPlayer() so the time spent in there goes from ~400ms to ~0ms |
| 15:30 | <cmorgan> | i'm basically going through trying to reduce all blocking processing |
| 15:31 | <cmorgan> | that change appears to greatly speed things up. still working on adding in the delay between item selection and playing |
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| 15:40 | <Chutt> | why the hell are class definitions in channelsettings.h and their functions in channeleditor.cpp |
| 15:40 | <cmorgan> | heh |
| 15:41 | <Chutt> | _entirely_ too much time spent on this crap |
| 15:41 | <cmorgan> | another patch? or mine? |
| 15:42 | <Chutt> | the dvb settings patch |
| 15:42 | <cmorgan> | ahh |
| 15:42 | <cmorgan> | you should have a 2nd in command that goes through patches |
| 15:42 | <Chutt> | eh |
| 15:43 | <cmorgan> | then you could be like "number 2, clean up patch X" |
| 15:43 | <Chutt> | i'd rather not have to clean patches up in the first place |
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| 15:55 | <sfr_> | heh, according to my mrtg stats, i started using my remote frontend around ~9 of July |
| 15:55 | <Greensky> | does anyone here know much about the Hauppauge PVR-350 .. I'm trying to find out if it would work in my system... |
| 15:56 | <cmorgan> | pvr-350 is a nice card |
| 15:56 | <Greensky> | is says it needs a "VGA card (PCI or AGP) which supports video overlay" |
| 15:56 | <cmorgan> | nope |
| 15:56 | <Greensky> | I have a really low profile system w/a built in video card... |
| 15:56 | <sfr_> | only if you don't want to use the tv-out feature |
| 15:57 | <cmorgan> | you can do hardware encoder in(svideo or cable tuner) and rca/s-video out via hardware decoder |
| 15:57 | <cmorgan> | if you'd like to watch on your computer monitor then yes, i'd imagine you'd want vga at the very least ;-) |
| 15:57 | <Greensky> | I have a standard VGA video card, is that what it means |
| 15:57 | <Greensky> | or is that something special? |
| 15:58 | <Greensky> | I have an "intel direct accelerated graphics port" |
| 15:58 | <cmorgan> | i'd imagine that should be fine. any video card from the last couple of years should do |
| 15:58 | <cmorgan> | maybe even the last 5/6 years |
| 15:58 | <Greensky> | cool, my machine is PERFECT for this application, small & quiet... I'de love to test it out |
| 15:58 | <cmorgan> | pvr-350 is hardware decoding and encoding |
| 15:58 | <cmorgan> | so cpu use is low |
| 15:58 | <Greensky> | so it basically means "a video card" |
| 15:59 | <cmorgan> | (if you are using the decoder) |
| 15:59 | <Greensky> | yeah, my machine is only a 650 so I want hardware encoding/decoding |
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| 15:59 | <Greensky> | I'm planning on using gentoo or debian |
| 16:00 | <Greensky> | I've read that the drivers don't work well for TV out, but are in development, I don't mind using it on a monitor for a while |
| 16:00 | <cmorgan> | they work pretty well for tv out |
| 16:01 | <cmorgan> | i haven't had a crash with ivtv drivers from yesterday |
| 16:01 | <cmorgan> | although thats only since yesterday... |
| 16:01 | <cmorgan> | so... |
| 16:01 | <Greensky> | what's ivtv (sorry I'm a mythtv noobie) |
| 16:01 | <cmorgan> | oh, the driver for the pvr's |
| 16:01 | <Greensky> | I'm reading docs as I go... |
| 16:01 | <cmorgan> | ivtv.sourceforge.net |
| 16:02 | <Greensky> | cool... other than an encoder/decoder do you need a sound card or is that in the pvr-350? |
| 16:02 | <cmorgan> | pvr takes care of that on the tvout |
| 16:03 | <Greensky> | sweet... |
| 16:03 | <Greensky> | is 650Mhz good enough with the pvr or should I upgrade to a faster chip ? |
| 16:03 | <Chutt> | cmorgan, try to get it to reenter exitWin with current cvs |
| 16:04 | <cmorgan> | Chutt: k |
| 16:05 | <Chutt> | i couldn't reproduce it, though |
| 16:05 | <Chutt> | what i did may work |
| 16:05 | <cmorgan> | i should know in a sec, i have a couple of printfs in there |
| 16:05 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:05 | <Chutt> | won't be a 'sec' |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | libmyth version change :p |
| 16:06 | <cmorgan> | will this break frontend/backend compatibility? |
| 16:06 | <cmorgan> | ie, do i need to upgrade the backend as well? |
| 16:07 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 16:07 | <Chutt> | just some classes changed in libmyth, so the version number needed bumped |
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| 16:17 | <cmorgan> | Chutt: that update appears to have fixed it. only bugs i've introduced remain ;-) |
| 16:18 | <Chutt> | great |
| 16:18 | <Chutt> | was just a guess =) |
| 16:29 | <Chutt> | hahaha |
| 16:29 | <Chutt> | top /. story |
| 16:31 | <Chutt> | it's the crappiest pvr project ever! =) |
| 16:31 | <cmorgan> | heh |
| 16:32 | <Chutt> | i wonder how knoppmyth r5 is coming along |
| 16:33 | <cmorgan> | apparently that site is slashdotted |
| 16:33 | <Chutt> | it's a _crappy_ project |
| 16:34 | <Chutt> | i thought it was dead, actually |
| 16:35 | <Chutt> | there hadn't been any news on their website in a very long time |
| 16:37 | <cmorgan> | apparently they were hard at work on a new version |
| 16:37 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:37 | <cmorgan> | heh |
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| 16:38 | <cmorgan> | you plan to bundle more themes with mythtv? |
| 16:39 | <Chutt> | gant |
| 16:39 | <Chutt> | don't want to make the main distribution too large, though |
| 16:39 | <cmorgan> | ahh |
| 16:39 | <cmorgan> | maybe pick the best ones? |
| 16:39 | <Chutt> | blue and gant, probably |
| 16:39 | <cmorgan> | ahh |
| 16:40 | <Chutt> | o_cee had said something about updates for it |
| 16:40 | <Chutt> | so i was waiting on that before merging gant in |
| 16:40 | <Chutt> | but he hasn't been around at all |
| 16:40 | <acm> | are there just the 4 other themes? |
| 16:41 | <Chutt> | that work with 0.13, yes |
| 16:41 | <Chutt> | there were a bunch of others, but the authors never updated them when the theme format changed |
| 16:42 | <sfr_> | the SasQuatch OSD looks nice and still works |
| 16:42 | <Chutt> | it does? |
| 16:42 | <Chutt> | i need to put together an osd themes section |
| 16:42 | <sfr_> | i'm using it. iirc Martin/Michael, a danish guy, posted an updated one some time ago. |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 16:44 | <Chutt> | well, when i get to updating the website stuff, i'll get that on there as well |
| 16:46 | <cmorgan> | god damnit |
| 16:47 | <cmorgan> | how many emails is Jin Meng going to send to the list... |
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| 16:48 | <Chutt> | hopefully just those two |
| 16:48 | <cmorgan> | he is away until 1-12 |
| 16:48 | <cmorgan> | heh |
| 16:49 | <cmorgan> | if only we had an email classification standard |
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| 16:49 | <cmorgan> | like email_type = spam/normal/urgent/out_of_office |
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| 17:02 | <bitbyte> | the email spamlords will fight that with every fiber of their being |
| 17:02 | <bitbyte> | just like we need a .sex tld |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | i want audio feedback in the menus |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | hmm |
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| 17:08 | <kvandivo> | or at least a 'this button has been pressed' image. :) |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | well |
| 17:08 | <kvandivo> | image -> state, perhaps |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | it deselects the button now |
| 17:09 | <kvandivo> | ya.. i noticed that |
| 17:09 | <kvandivo> | that helps |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | but i want music in the background, and audio feedback |
| 17:09 | <cmorgan> | that should be fine |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | but that means audio mixing for less capable soundcards |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | and i don't really want to do that |
| 17:10 | <cmorgan> | apparently alsa supports that now |
| 17:10 | <Chutt> | for the oss emulation? |
| 17:10 | <cmorgan> | i guess you can open up multiple /dev/dsp's |
| 17:10 | <Chutt> | dmix or whatever only worked for native alsa apps, last i checked |
| 17:10 | <cmorgan> | and it will mix for you |
| 17:12 | <Chutt> | biggest thing would be moving the music playback into a more accesible mode |
| 17:12 | <Chutt> | like, thor's mfd =) |
| 17:12 | <Chutt> | but that's not quite ready yet |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 17:14 | <Chutt> | maybe i'll start making libmythtv a shared lib |
| 17:14 | <cmorgan> | i quite like the jack audio server, jackit.sourceforge.net |
| 17:15 | <cmorgan> | it does mixing for you and is very low latency |
| 17:16 | <sfr_> | also mpd is nice |
| 17:16 | <cmorgan> | mpd? |
| 17:17 | <sfr_> | www.musicpd.org |
| 17:18 | <cmorgan> | yeah |
| 17:19 | <cmorgan> | different projects though |
| 17:19 | <cmorgan> | you'd run mpd and output to jack on the host machine for instance |
| 17:19 | <cmorgan> | mpd is more of a transport system |
| 17:19 | <cmorgan> | and doesn't appear to be low enough latency for pro audio stuff |
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| 17:20 | <tmk> | cmorgan: hows the pvr card working for you |
| 17:20 | <dcstimm> | any ones speak japanese? |
| 17:20 | <cmorgan> | tmk: working quite well actually |
| 17:20 | <cmorgan> | tmk: hardware decoding like a charm |
| 17:21 | <tmk> | great |
| 17:21 | <cmorgan> | tmk: watching livetv crashes myth's backend but not sure whos deal that is ;-) no need to point fingers |
| 17:21 | <tmk> | yeah. If you get bored tomorrow afternoon and i'm around, you want to sort that out? |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | i need to update to latest ivtv cvs |
| 17:21 | <cmorgan> | tmk: yeah, very nice. ivtv driver has certainly shaped up. this is on a smp machine |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | had a recording go all vertical liney on me |
| 17:21 | <cmorgan> | tmk: i'm not sure if it is a mythtv issue though |
| 17:21 | <cmorgan> | tmk: since i can record and watch recordings |
| 17:21 | <dcstimm> | what advantages are there between a bt878 card and a wintv 350 card using mythtv? |
| 17:21 | <tmk> | cmorgan: yeah i can sort the ivtv stuff |
| 17:22 | <sfr_> | cmorgan: well, all i need is server-side playback. and mpd does that. |
| 17:22 | <kvandivo> | sort < ivtv stuff |
| 17:22 | <tmk> | dcstimm: bt878 uses your cpu to encode |
| 17:22 | <cmorgan> | sfr_: yes, it seems like a neat project |
| 17:22 | <dcstimm> | tmk, what are the advantages? |
| 17:22 | <tmk> | the pvr cards use the card's encoder, but they only encode to mpg2 |
| 17:22 | <dcstimm> | tmk, with mythtv |
| 17:22 | <tmk> | the pvr-350 also has tv-out |
| 17:23 | <cmorgan> | tmk: i'll see if i can't capture the crash to save some time. i'll probably be around tomorrow afternoon est and certainly the rest of the weekend. why the generous offer to help? ;-) |
| 17:23 | <tmk> | the live-tv crash is bad |
| 17:23 | <dcstimm> | but what are the advantages? |
| 17:23 | <tmk> | and i don't want to bother chutt |
| 17:23 | <tmk> | dcstimm: hardware encoding |
| 17:23 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:23 | <kvandivo> | from what i hear chutt likes being bothered anyway |
| 17:24 | <dcstimm> | tmk, that doesnt mean much to me, i have a pretty fast machine, any new feautres, smoother playback? better quality? |
| 17:24 | <kvandivo> | particularly with repeated questions answered elsewhere, and patches that he really gets to tweak before committing |
| 17:24 | <Chutt> | i haven't had any problems with mythtv cvs + david engel's latest patch |
| 17:24 | <Chutt> | kvandivo, 7 *hours* to fix the patch |
| 17:24 | <kvandivo> | i saw the.... comments... from above |
| 17:24 | <cmorgan> | tmk: alright. probably going to be back late tomorrow though b/c of new years and hanging out with people, i'll msg you when i get back, thanks again for the excellent driver ;-) |
| 17:24 | <tmk> | dcstimm: no not really, better video quality probably |
| 17:24 | <tmk> | but that's subjective |
| 17:24 | <kvandivo> | how big was it, anyway? i didn't look at it since it is a dvb thing |
| 17:25 | <Chutt> | 4 additional files, a bunch of changes elsewhere |
| 17:25 | <kvandivo> | nod |
| 17:25 | <Chutt> | one of the .cpp files was empty |
| 17:25 | <Chutt> | though, not anymore |
| 17:26 | <kvandivo> | i saw your comment about putting the class defs in one .h and the fct defs in a different named one. :) |
| 17:26 | <kvandivo> | that's rich |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | so i fixed all that |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | well, a chunk of that 7 hours time was getting rid of an extraneoud popup class |
| 17:27 | <kvandivo> | that's an example of what i used to call a FLUC back when I was teaching.. |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | and removing redundant stuff out of the patch |
| 17:27 | <kvandivo> | a Fundamental Lack of Understanding of the Concepts of how things work |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | good acronym |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | excellent, this should seriously cut down on the installed size |
| 17:29 | <kvandivo> | just means that i can't 'programs/mythfrontend/mythfrontend' anymore to test things. no biggie, though |
| 17:29 | <Chutt> | heh, sorry |
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| 17:29 | <kvandivo> | the size savings is well worth it |
| 17:29 | <Chutt> | hmmm |
| 17:29 | <Chutt> | shall i just stuff libavcodec/format into libmythtv |
| 17:31 | <mchou> | darn, that conflict resoultion feature is too smart for it's own good..... |
| 17:32 | <kvandivo> | i wish it would look for future showings of a higher priority show in order to allow a lower priority show to be recorded now... at least as an option |
| 17:33 | * | kvandivo goes off to edit his list again. |
| 17:33 | <Chutt> | difficult to do |
| 17:33 | <kvandivo> | that's why they called us, right? |
| 17:33 | <Chutt> | since the priority stuff was just tacked on |
| 17:34 | <cmorgan> | Chutt: so i changed killPlayer() around a little bit, put a state machine in it and have updateVideo() basically say if killState != done, call killPlayer() and return |
| 17:34 | <cmorgan> | this way we don't wait in killPlayer() all day. |
| 17:34 | <mchou> | yeah, there's definitely some "funky" logic. I've got enough tuners to record all conflicts, but it insists on defering some shows..... |
| 17:35 | <cmorgan> | sound reasonable? |
| 17:35 | <Chutt> | cmorgan, sure |
| 17:35 | <kvandivo> | read the mail archives, mchou. this has been discussed a number of times.. and within the past couple of weeks, iirc |
| 17:35 | <Chutt> | just test it a bit =) |
| 17:35 | <cmorgan> | Chutt: it won't be ready until tomorrow or the day after(new years and social things get in the way of coding) |
| 17:35 | <mchou> | kvandivo: ok, thx.... |
| 17:36 | <cmorgan> | but it makes the average delay go from ~400 to ~4ms |
| 17:36 | <cmorgan> | there is also a 1.6 to 2.5 second delay starting the dialog itself |
| 17:36 | <cmorgan> | that i'll try to get rid of |
| 17:36 | <kvandivo> | basically, mchou... ya, it has some boundary conditions that cause it problems. feel free to submit a patch to fix them. :) |
| 17:37 | <sfr_> | cmorgan: will you also look at channel-changing times? ;) /me runs for shelter |
| 17:37 | <cmorgan> | sfr_: :-P |
| 17:37 | <Chutt> | there's a bunch of stuff that could be done for channel changing times |
| 17:38 | <cmorgan> | happy new years to you guys, see ya all later |
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| 17:39 | <mchou> | kvandivo: hmm, I think I'm just going to revert to myth .12 "logic." :) |
| 17:39 | <Chutt> | err |
| 17:39 | <Chutt> | the scheduler hasn't changed |
| 17:39 | <Chutt> | at all |
| 17:41 | <mchou> | yeah, but (Theory here only) but I think pre-roll/post roll might have thrown a monkey wrench in the "conflict resolution" works.... |
| 17:41 | <Chutt> | only if you have it on |
| 17:41 | <Chutt> | per-show pre/post roll is _not_ optional to the scheduler |
| 17:41 | <Chutt> | the global setting is |
| 17:43 | <kvandivo> | i was thinking about that idea i had before about auto setting a bookmark X seconds into the show where X is the preroll amount, and i think i like it. the user would see the show starting directly at 7pm, but they could rewind a little bit if they needed to catch shows that start early |
| 17:43 | <mchou> | I'll need to do some further investigating to see what's really going on. I've got enough tuners to cover all conflicts but it insist on deferring some shows. (and I dont have pre/post per show on.) |
| 17:44 | <sfr_> | kvandivo: why not extend it for the early start/late end setting? |
| 17:44 | <kvandivo> | same thing.. i was actually including that in my mind's view |
| 17:44 | <kvandivo> | point being that the user's view from when they click 'play' is right at 7pm. but they can then back up if they need to |
| 17:45 | <kvandivo> | at any rate, i've got that on my list.. shaint work on it right now, though |
| 17:47 | <mikegrb> | http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=43730 |
| 17:48 | <Chutt> | should fix up compile speed, to, no more huge linking times =) |
| 17:48 | <kvandivo> | and, you might find this strange enough, no more huge 'cp'ing times.. i found that 'make install' actually spent most of its time copying the executables to their dest... granted, this is debug mode.. |
| 17:49 | <kvandivo> | copying 6 or 7 10-11 meg files took more than an insignificant amount of time |
| 17:50 | <mchou> | kvandivo: can u suggest what I ought to search on in the mail list for "conflict resolution" thread? I searched "conflict" || "priority" || "rank" but didn't see anything real pertinent..... |
| 17:50 | <kvandivo> | 14 meg, actually... |
| 17:50 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:50 | <Chutt> | only problem is that cvs doesn't do file moves nicely |
| 17:51 | <mchou> | kvandivo: nm, I found it..... |
| 17:51 | <kvandivo> | that's being generous |
| 17:51 | <Chutt> | so, looks like i get to break my history |
| 17:52 | <kvandivo> | so mikegrb, is that train picture supposed to have some mystical mythical mythtv meaning in it that we need to get out the microscope to see? |
| 17:53 | <acm> | anyone use an xbox for a frontend? |
| 17:53 | <kvandivo> | yes |
| 17:54 | <kvandivo> | i like questions like that... |
| 17:54 | <acm> | kvandivo: do you run it from something like evolutionX, or cd? |
| 17:54 | <kvandivo> | oh.. a followup.. |
| 17:54 | <acm> | :( |
| 17:55 | <kvandivo> | well, i wouldn't want to incriminate myself by admitting to anything illegal, so I'll just say "no comment" |
| 17:55 | <acm> | hehe |
| 17:55 | <tdb30_> | can someone tell me why when I put in the numbers on the remote to change the channel why it just fades away and doesn't change the channel? |
| 17:55 | <acm> | didnt think modchipping or softmodding alone was illegal. i guess b/c its compiled w/xdk it is.. |
| 17:56 | <kvandivo> | binaries compiled with the xdk can't be distributed legally, no |
| 17:56 | <kvandivo> | but now with the xbox-linux stuff you can totally get around all of that and stay completely legit |
| 17:57 | <Chutt> | oops |
| 17:57 | <Chutt> | forgot to tell that wma decoder guy to include the new files |
| 17:57 | <Chutt> | ah well |
| 17:57 | <kvandivo> | i would have thought that would have been obvious |
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| 17:59 | <Greensky> | does anyone know the difference between the WinTV-PVR-250 & 350? is it just that 350 has TV out? |
| 17:59 | <kvandivo> | that, price, and the radio thingy (which isn't supported in linux) |
| 17:59 | <Greensky> | ahh... radio tuner? both have the remote control though right? |
| 18:00 | <tmk> | ivtv doesn't currently support the radio |
| 18:00 | <tmk> | but it's worth it for the tv-out/decoder |
| 18:00 | <tdb30_> | 350 also has onboard tv-encoding. |
| 18:00 | <tmk> | they both have onboard encoding |
| 18:00 | <tdb30_> | Oh yeah ;) |
| 18:00 | <Greensky> | I thought they both had harware mpeg encoding |
| 18:01 | <kvandivo> | my my, tmk.. aren' you just the little know-it-all.. you'd think you had written the driver or something |
| 18:01 | <tmk> | heh |
| 18:01 | <Chutt> | hrmph |
| 18:01 | <Chutt> | stupid ffmpeg |
| 18:02 | <Chutt> | doesn't compile with -fPIC |
| 18:02 | <acm> | kvandivo: how do i know if i should d/l the mythtv-xbox.0.3.rootfs... or progfs? |
| 18:03 | <kvandivo> | read the readme, i'd guess |
| 18:04 | <acm> | readme isnt so clear |
| 18:04 | <kvandivo> | search the mail archives... google... i haven't installed that one.. you'll have to use the search |
| 18:04 | <acm> | ok |
| 18:05 | <Greensky> | did anyone see the slashdot article about the Dave/Dina Multimedia Distro |
| 18:05 | <Greensky> | their site is slashdotted to heck though... hehe |
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| 18:06 | <kvandivo> | dina looks a bit like rebecca romain stamos |
| 18:06 | <kvandivo> | but, i digress... |
| 18:06 | <crib2> | If I use nuvexport to .divx, what kind of compression should I expect? |
| 18:06 | <mikegrb> | try and see? |
| 18:06 | <mikegrb> | my guess is the divx will be smaller |
| 18:07 | <crib2> | gee thx |
| 18:07 | <mikegrb> | your welcome :) |
| 18:09 | <Greensky> | kvandivo, it's funny they took a screenshot w/a digital camera |
| 18:09 | <sfr_> | experts at work |
| 18:09 | <mchou> | Greensky: what's so special about dave/dina, they haven't even released any files??? |
| 18:10 | <kvandivo> | they are just showing their mastery of multiple types of new technology |
| 18:10 | <Greensky> | mchou, they HAVE released stuff I thought, but they were slashdotted, but I'm not sure how interesting it is... haven't seen it since their site is wayyyyyy slashdotted.... |
| 18:10 | <kvandivo> | not _only_ do they do software... they also are photography experts |
| 18:10 | <Greensky> | hehe |
| 18:10 | <Greensky> | I'm curious to see how it works |
| 18:10 | <mchou> | Greensky: nothing on sf..... |
| 18:10 | <Chutt> | it's crappy |
| 18:11 | <Chutt> | think the first release of freevo |
| 18:11 | <mchou> | wow, that bad.... |
| 18:11 | <Greensky> | mchou, not everything is on sf though.. :P |
| 18:11 | <kvandivo> | see.. mythtv doesn' thave any spiffy digital camera shots. therefore we can conclude that mythtv's principals aren't photography experts |
| 18:11 | * | kvandivo ducks. |
| 18:11 | <mchou> | Greensky: yep, but they at least have a page on sf :) |
| 18:12 | <Greensky> | mchou, ahh, they have a page on sf, but no files... I misunderstood you... hehe |
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| 18:12 | <Greensky> | now that I've orderd an encoder card I can start trying to get my own tivo like system going |
| 18:13 | <mchou> | Greensky: which one u decide on 250 or 350? |
| 18:14 | <Greensky> | 250... |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | 18:09 <mchou> Greensky: what's so special about dave/dina, they haven't even released any files??? |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | 18:10 <kvandivo> they are just showing their mastery of multiple types of new technology |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | 18:10 <Greensky> mchou, they HAVE released stuff I thought, but they were slashdotted, but I'm not sure how |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | interesting it is... haven't seen it since their site is wayyyyyy slashdotted.... |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | 18:10 <kvandivo> not _only_ do they do software... they also are photography experts |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | 18:10 <Greensky> hehe |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | 18:10 <Greensky> I'm curious to see how it works |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | 18:10 <mchou> Greensky: nothing on sf..... |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | 18:10 <Chutt> it's crappy |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | 18:11 <Chutt> think the first release of freevo |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | 18:11 <mchou> wow, that bad.... |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | 18:11 <Greensky> mchou, not everything is on sf though.. :P |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | 18:11 <kvandivo> see.. mythtv doesn' thave any spiffy digital camera shots. therefore we can conclude that mythtv's |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | principals aren't photography experts |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | 18:11 * kvandivo ducks. |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | 18:11 <mchou> Greensky: yep, but they at least have a page on sf :) |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | 18:12 <Greensky> mchou, ahh, they have a page on sf, but no files... I misunderstood you... hehe |
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| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | 18:12 <Greensky> now that I've orderd an encoder card I can start trying to get my own tivo like system going |
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| 18:14 | <Chutt> | blah |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | shite |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | sorry |
| 18:14 | <Chutt> | i don't know enough mmx to fix this |
| 18:14 | <mikegrb> | no cookie for me |
| 18:14 | <mchou> | Greensky: hehe, not man enough to brave ivtv waters for 350, eh? |
| 18:14 | <Greensky> | mchou, too poor to do so |
| 18:15 | <Greensky> | why is mikegrb repeating us? |
| 18:15 | <Chutt> | poor mikegrb |
| 18:15 | <kvandivo> | ya... we got it, mikegrb. |
| 18:15 | <mchou> | wtf, mikegrb, y u flooding?? |
| 18:15 | <Chutt> | :p |
| 18:15 | <kvandivo> | i think most of us were here |
| 18:15 | <mikegrb> | :< |
| 18:15 | <kvandivo> | mikegrb-- |
| 18:15 | <mikegrb> | kvandivo: I know sometimes you have to have stuff repeated for you |
| 18:16 | <kvandivo> | what was that? |
| 18:16 | <mikegrb> | kvandivo: heh I alread did mikegrb-- somewhere where it works |
| 18:16 | <mikegrb> | kvandivo: I know sometimes you have to have stuff repeated for you |
| 18:16 | <kvandivo> | aww.. i can't say too much.. every once and while my usb mouse on this linux box goes crazy and pastes whatever is in its buffer into the current window |
| 18:17 | <kvandivo> | so actually, i feel your pain |
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| 18:18 | <mikegrb> | kvandivo: I was asking for it |
| 18:18 | <Greensky> | kvandivo, what distro do you use that does that or is it just a bad mouse? |
| 18:18 | <mikegrb> | kvandivo: I like to select text and stuff as I'm reading |
| 18:18 | <kvandivo> | well, it's not the mouse.. i've tried multiple mice.. |
| 18:18 | <Greensky> | mikegrb, hehe, that will get you in trouble every now and then |
| 18:19 | <kvandivo> | we are running rh.... 7 or 8 |
| 18:19 | <kvandivo> | 7.3 |
| 18:19 | <kvandivo> | i don't think it is is a distro thing.. |
| 18:21 | <Greensky> | well mike just keeps everything selected, one middle click and it's pasted... :P |
| 18:22 | <Greensky> | so it mythTV easier/harder to install then Gentoo? |
| 18:22 | <mchou> | well, I've never used gentoo, but I'd imagine myth is easier than gentoo... |
| 18:23 | <mchou> | y any1 want to use gentoo is beyond me..... |
| 18:23 | <Greensky> | how bout dvd playing, is it hard to get that to work because of the legal issues or pretty easy? |
| 18:23 | <mchou> | Greensky: easy hard depending on distro :) |
| 18:24 | <Greensky> | mchou, I'll either use gentoo or debian unstable |
| 18:24 | <mchou> | I'd think debian is a better choice than gentoo....don't u think? |
| 18:24 | <Greensky> | mchou, well I just never quite liked debian, gentoo worked so much better for me... |
| 18:25 | <mchou> | ok, cool, different strokes.... |
| 18:25 | <Greensky> | although compiling everything isn't always my favorite, but w/out KDE, OO.org, etc compiling should be pretty easy.. |
| 18:25 | <Greensky> | yeah... I agree, that's why there are multiple distros |
| 18:26 | <Greensky> | so it looks like there are video editing features, can you edit out commercials fairly easily? |
| 18:26 | <mchou> | on myth, yes. |
| 18:26 | <mchou> | couldn't be easier. |
| 18:26 | <Greensky> | cool.. sorry for all the questions, tell me to RTFM if you get tired of me |
| 18:27 | <Greensky> | how is mythTV different than freevo? |
| 18:27 | <mchou> | u should RTFM....don't undersatnd y ppl dont if they're interested in something..... |
| 18:28 | <Greensky> | mchou, ok.. I'm not against it, just like to get some basic info 1st |
| 18:28 | <mchou> | never used freevo, couldn tell u even if I wanted to. |
| 18:29 | <Greensky> | looks like they are two similar products sorta like emacs & vi that do similar things... |
| 18:29 | <mchou> | just know freevo isn't as feature rich as myth..... |
| 18:29 | <Greensky> | mchou, yeah, I'm going to try myth out 1st, it looks a little better to me |
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| 18:34 | <Greensky> | well thanks for the help mchou I'm off to read the docs... |
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| 18:41 | <sfr_> | hm, for some time now i can't use the second tuner while the first one is recording a show. mythfrontend won't even connect to the backend then. will the logs be of any help to find the problem? |
| 18:43 | <mchou> | um, what do the logs say? |
| 18:45 | <sfr_> | on the frontend: Connecting to backend server... <CR>ReadStringList timeout (quick). QSocketDevice:writeBlock: Invalid Socket <CR> Error writing stringlist <> Connection to backend lost |
| 18:45 | <Chutt> | using cvs/ |
| 18:45 | <Chutt> | err, ? |
| 18:45 | <sfr_> | yes, from a few days ago |
| 18:45 | <Chutt> | weird |
| 18:46 | <mchou> | sfr_: u arent using 2.6 or some other funky kernel? |
| 18:46 | <mchou> | make sure fe/be versions match? |
| 18:46 | <kvandivo> | 2.0.32. ;) |
| 18:46 | <sfr_> | i use wolk kernels on both, frontend and backend. |
| 18:46 | <sfr_> | kvandivo: na, still on 0.9x + networking patch |
| 18:47 | * | kvandivo smirks. |
| 18:47 | <sfr_> | both are 2.4.20 + wolk patchset |
| 18:48 | <mchou> | wierd. Try w/o wolk? |
| 18:48 | <mchou> | weird* |
| 18:48 | <kvandivo> | wired& |
| 18:49 | <mchou> | hehe... |
| 18:49 | <sfr_> | in general, the replacement 'QSocketDevice class' has improved the stability of the frontend, but s/t i have to restart the frontend a few times in order for it to connect to the backend succesfully. |
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| 18:57 | <anduin> | Before I go digging, how do you re-disable the preview window in the latest CVS version? |
| 18:58 | <kvandivo> | it's one of the settings, obviously... not too hard to find, iirc |
| 18:58 | <sfr_> | anduin: mythfrontend->setttings somewhere |
| 18:59 | <anduin> | i have it checked, have for some time, upped to cvs today, no way to turn off (or old way stopped working) |
| 18:59 | <kvandivo> | seems like it is a little checkbox option one or two up from the bottom on one of the pages.. |
| 18:59 | <anduin> | "Display live preview of recordings", it is unchecked |
| 19:00 | <kvandivo> | and then you go ahead and hit next/next/next/ finish.. and not cancel, correct? |
| 19:00 | <sfr_> | anduin: there's another one for the preview picture iirc |
| 19:00 | <anduin> | yes, really i'm not lame |
| 19:01 | <kvandivo> | ya, i know. :) |
| 19:02 | <anduin> | it seems to be stuck on, I know people have been mucking in that area, just wondering if we were all being forced to endure previews or if I should spend a few minutes tracking it down. |
| 19:06 | <sfr_> | hey, www.eurotv.com looks interesting. it could be a programm-data source for some countries. |
| 19:06 | <Chutt> | huh |
| 19:06 | <Chutt> | anduin, it should be able to turn off |
| 19:06 | <Chutt> | though i haven't tested after the latest set of patches in cvs |
| 19:08 | <anduin> | Chutt - I'm digging right now, PlaybackPreview is set to 0 in the db, still get the preview. I'll look into it. |
| 19:09 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 19:09 | <Chutt> | i wonder how much trouble i'll get in with mdz if i do a shared lib without -fPIC |
| 19:14 | <Chutt> | anduin, so, am i going to get a sql query placeholders patch sometime? =) |
| 19:15 | <anduin> | Chutt - you saw me encouraging him didn't you?! |
| 19:15 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 19:15 | <Chutt> | i doubt he'll go through everything, though |
| 19:16 | <anduin> | I need to clean out old changes from my local copy before I start something like that (like the socket stuff I never finished for example) |
| 19:16 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 19:16 | <Chutt> | oh yeah, you had said you were going to look into that =) |
| 19:17 | <sfr_> | socket stuff? ;) |
| 19:17 | <anduin> | yeah, got busy, the guilt was lessened when someone else picked it up |
| 19:17 | <anduin> | it still isn't quite what I was shooting for |
| 19:28 | <Chutt> | what else would you have wanted? |
| 19:29 | <Chutt> | well, aside from converting the backend over |
| 19:29 | <anduin> | Chutt - I was starting at the backend. |
| 19:31 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 19:34 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 19:34 | <Chutt> | mythepg binary goes from 3.7 MB to 23k |
| 19:35 | <FryGuy> | wow that's a lot of compression :) |
| 19:35 | <Chutt> | no compression |
| 19:38 | <FryGuy> | go from shared to dynamic libraries? |
| 19:38 | <FryGuy> | and it was a joke anyways |
| 19:38 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 19:39 | <Chutt> | going from static libavcodec/avformat/mythtv to shared libs |
| 19:42 | <mchou> | hey Chutt, in settings.pro, there is CONFIG+= using_xv. Is this new (as compared to myth .12)? |
| 19:45 | <Chutt> | yup. |
| 19:46 | <mchou> | but myth12 used Xv by default even though it wasn't specified in settings.pro, correct? |
| 19:47 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 19:47 | <mchou> | ok, thx |
| 19:49 | <anduin> | ok looks like startPlayer is being called all the time, it doesn't look like I'll have time to dig much more into it today, oh well maybe someone else will fix it then, if not I'll try tomorrow |
| 19:49 | <anduin> | I think tokens should be pushed through the state machine though |
| 19:49 | <anduin> | much easier to track when it is all local |
| 19:50 | <anduin> | no, i'm not making a patch for it, so yes I should shut up |
| 19:51 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 19:52 | <Chutt> | i'll see about fixing it before people start showing up at my house |
| 19:52 | <Chutt> | if i get done shlibicizing everything |
| 19:54 | <anduin> | exactly, I have 2 hours and I haven't done a thing to get ready. Thanks have a good evening. |
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| 19:54 | <brandon> | Chutt: in libs/libmythtv/recordingprofile.cpp line 606/607, could you bump the maxwidth to 1920 and maxheight to 1080? If you want a patch for this let me know. :) (So we can transcode to HD resolutions) |
| 19:55 | <Chutt> | remind me tomorrow |
| 19:55 | <Chutt> | or email the list |
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| 19:56 | <brandon> | willdo, |
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| 20:13 | <Chutt> | allright, chops 20MB off the installed size in release mode |
| 20:18 | <MythMichale> | Gooot eeevning :) Hay, if I have MythTV setup and running, what do I hook up to (350 or Video Card) to see the MythTV Menus?? |
| 20:18 | <acm> | vid card |
| 20:18 | <Chutt> | whichever you have things setup for |
| 20:19 | <MythMichale> | You mean as far as the Video devices?? I have 2 PCHD and PVR350 I don't think the Video Card ever showed up... |
| 20:19 | <MythMichale> | Where is that portion of the setup ?? |
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| 20:29 | <Chutt> | err |
| 20:29 | <Chutt> | mythtv displays through X |
| 20:29 | <Chutt> | unless you're using qt/e |
| 20:29 | <Chutt> | which i highly doubt |
| 20:29 | <Chutt> | so wherever you've setup X to run |
| 20:29 | <Chutt> | and have run mythfrontend from |
| 20:29 | <Chutt> | is where it will show up. |
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| 20:30 | <ShockValue> | hi all |
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| 20:37 | <Sobek> | Evening everyone |
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| 20:48 | <MythMichale> | Ahhhh So it is set up thru Linux, not thru anything Myth or ivtv or anything... |
| 20:49 | <MythMichale> | Got it. Thanx |
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| 21:03 | <brandon> | hmm, anyone else tried the latest cvs? I'm unable to connect to the backend for watching recorded shows, but other apps (music, etc) access the database and work fine. (Worked fine for ealier cvs, until the lst 5 hours when new cvs commits were made) |
| 21:03 | <brandon> | 2003-12-31 19:01:59 ReadStringList timeout (quick). |
| 21:03 | <brandon> | QSocketDevice::writeBlock: Invalid socket |
| 21:03 | <brandon> | 2003-12-31 19:01:59 Error writing stringlist |
| 21:06 | <sfr__> | you might have to kill the frontend and retry a few times. i'm seeing a similar behaviour here. |
| 21:14 | <bambito> | best place online for wintv-pvr 350 purchase, anyone? reasonably priced. |
| 21:15 | <mikegrb> | ebay? |
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| 21:19 | <bambito> | is 170 a good price? |
| 21:19 | <Misirlou> | Ask PriceGrabber, but I wouldn't give them my credit card number. . . the BBB gives them an unsatisfactory report. |
| 21:22 | <pahli_bar> | hmmm.. that teaches me not to cut and paste code |
| 21:22 | <brandon> | sfr__: Have a number of times, rebuilding everything from scratch, will try again |
| 21:24 | <pahli_bar> | heh. thats really funny. one person makes a mistake. another one cuts and pastes same mistake. now i do it too. |
| 21:24 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: you around |
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| 22:03 | <Chutt> | sometimes |
| 22:05 | <mdz> | Chutt: I would be pretty annoyed about the PIC thing when my ia64 frontend failed to run |
| 22:06 | <Chutt> | easy for you to fix |
| 22:06 | <Chutt> | just a minor libavcodec.pro change |
| 22:07 | <Chutt> | the two bits of mmx don't compile with -fPIC |
| 22:07 | <mdz> | does it make it significantly faster? |
| 22:07 | <mdz> | oh |
| 22:07 | <Chutt> | encoding, yes |
| 22:07 | <Chutt> | if i knew more mmx, i'd fix it, but.. =) |
| 22:08 | <Chutt> | but this should make your debs significantly smaller |
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| 22:09 | <mdz> | they are pretty huge |
| 22:09 | <Chutt> | 20MB savings on installed size in release mode |
| 22:09 | <Chutt> | more in debug, i'd assume |
| 22:09 | <mdz> | 20MB? all in libmyth? |
| 22:09 | <Chutt> | the binaries |
| 22:10 | <mdz> | oh...libavcodec is linked statically, isn't it? |
| 22:10 | <Chutt> | and libavformat, and libmythtv |
| 22:10 | <Chutt> | and libvbitext and libdvbdev |
| 22:10 | <Chutt> | moved those last two into libmythtv, and made libavformat + libavcodec into shared libs |
| 22:11 | <mdz> | oh |
| 22:11 | <Chutt> | libmythavformat and libmythavcodec, to not clash with other packages |
| 22:11 | <Chutt> | and made libmythtv a shared lib as well |
| 22:11 | <Chutt> | so no more 4MB binaries =) |
| 22:11 | <mdz> | how big do libavformat and libavcodec end up being? |
| 22:12 | <Chutt> | 2MB, 200k |
| 22:12 | <mdz> | there's someone on the FLAC list who's good with mmx I think |
| 22:12 | <Chutt> | libmythtv's 4MB |
| 22:13 | <mdz> | I remember FLAC used to be non-PIC and I brought it up and someone fixed it |
| 22:13 | <mdz> | (its mmx optimizations) |
| 22:13 | <Chutt> | eh, i'll send off a bug report to the ffmpeg guy sometime |
| 22:13 | <mdz> | which one is 2MB? |
| 22:13 | <Chutt> | libavcodec |
| 22:13 | <mdz> | I'm surprised it's so big |
| 22:14 | <mdz> | it's C after all |
| 22:14 | <Chutt> | that could be lower if i took the time to cull out all the unused formats |
| 22:15 | <Chutt> | all in all, 28MB vs 8MB not counting libmyth |
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| 22:27 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: ok. mythnews new version ready. in need to send you one small patch for libmyth and then i will merge it in |
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| 22:28 | <acm> | im listening to the real-time audio from my sound card, not the mythtv audio.. but the mythtv docs doesnt say what to do if thats the case |
| 22:28 | <Chutt> | pahli_bar, ok |
| 22:28 | <acm> | using OSS module drivers EMU10K1 |
| 22:28 | <Chutt> | acm, sure they do |
| 22:28 | <acm> | it talks about alsa |
| 22:28 | <Chutt> | the 'setting up alsa and the mixer' |
| 22:28 | <Chutt> | section. |
| 22:28 | <acm> | yeah, thats right where i am |
| 22:29 | <Chutt> | if you, i dunno, looked at the data, it talks all about oss. |
| 22:31 | <acm> | sigh |
| 22:31 | <acm> | on that page all i see is it telling you to go into the redhat menu and open up a mixer |
| 22:33 | <Chutt> | so use whatever mixer app you prefer and do what it says |
| 22:33 | <acm> | right, i guess i need to install one first then.. |
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| 22:35 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: what editor do you use? |
| 22:35 | <pahli_bar> | i can see that your indentation is slightly different than mine |
| 22:39 | <Chutt> | vim |
| 22:39 | <Chutt> | i indent manually, though |
| 22:40 | <pahli_bar> | heh. no wonder. you have a special way of indenting private/signals |
| 22:59 | <pahli_bar> | gotta go home and get drunk now. happy new year to all!! |
| 23:04 | <Chutt> | g'nite |
| 23:04 | <Chutt> | your patch'll be in shortly |
| 23:04 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: thanks. g'nite |
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