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---Logopened Sun Jan 04 00:00:08 2004
00:00<ShockValue>wow, easytag is really borked.. 25% of my 6000 files just dont have (readable) tags.. even though when i load them in EasyTag it says they do.. myth and xmms can't see them.
00:01<cmorgan>xmms is funny with tags
00:01<cmorgan>might be reading only id3v2 tags if no v1 tag is present or something
00:01<ShockValue>no, cause it reads the other 75% fine. 100% of them are id3v1
00:02<ShockValue>before i just re-did all my tags, i stripped all tag information just to make sure there wasnt multiple formats etc.
00:03<ShockValue>or at least, accodring to EasyTag I did :D
00:03<cmorgan>ahh, was just throwing that out
00:03<ShockValue>nah its cool
00:03<cmorgan>someone mentioned some issue with tags in #xmms and something like that
00:03<ShockValue>alternative viewpoints are nice, often pointes out my own flawed reasoning :)
00:04<ShockValue>so far im still convinced easytag isnt working as-advertised :)
00:04<ShockValue>well thats good at least.. its way easier for me to find a new tagger than it is to try and debug myth..
00:05<DJ_Rican>where do find the READMEs for the different myth modules?
00:05<pahli_bar>DJ_Rican: if you compiled from source readmes are in the source tarballs for each module.
00:06<pahli_bar>DJ_Rican: if not its packaging dependent
00:06<ShockValue>looking for docs, one sec
00:07<ShockValue>. /usr/share/doc/*
00:07<DJ_Rican>i didn't they were all rpms
00:09<DJ_Rican>thx found them
00:11<pahli_bar>hmm. sodipodi is real nice. only if it didn't crash so often
00:11<ShockValue>what is sodipodi?
00:12<pahli_bar>ShockValue: vector editor like adobe illustrator
00:12<ShockValue>ah cool
00:12<ShockValue>was hopign it was a tagger that I had missed >:)
00:13<pahli_bar>ShockValue: if you like commandline... id3ed is nice
00:14<mikekedl>cmorgan: for now (on my machine at least) I have mythmusic working with a bunch if #ifdef ARTS
00:14<mikekedl>after I started looking into it, it was much easier; so much other junk going on
00:14<cmorgan>mikekedl: nice
00:14<mikekedl>sounds great so far :-)
00:15<mikekedl>I didn't want to rewrite all the mutex/thread/visual stuff whoever wrote it had integrated all thru the audio out code
00:15<ShockValue>pahli_bar: does it support multiple files at a time?
00:16<cmorgan>mikekedl: yeah. that stuff should be refactored a bit so it isn't so tied to the output driver
00:16<mikekedl>is the mythmusic maintainer here? still don't know if they'll take it :-/
00:16<cmorgan>that code can probably only take so many more ifdefs ;-) heh
00:17<mikekedl>cmorgan: do you maintain it?
00:17<cmorgan>i do not
00:17<cmorgan>but i can look into changing it to make it easier to support other output types
00:17<cmorgan>is arts selectable at runtime?
00:17<cmorgan>or is that a compile time thing?
00:18<mikekedl>at this exact moment in time its compile time
00:18<mikekedl>since if you don't have arts includes/libs it won't even compile
00:18<pahli_bar>ShockValue: oh yes.
00:19<mikekedl>cmorgan: on my system I could make it run time selectable, but that wouldn't let it even compile then for people that don't have arts
00:19<mikekedl>and seems kind of odd to have compile time switch and then runtime select as well, but I guess you can do that.... xmms does....
00:19<mikekedl>eh, I guess that makes sense
00:20<cmorgan>mikekedl: yeah. need to do a configure test and decide whether to build the code or not. or optionally dlopen the arts library at runtime
00:20<mikekedl>I'll just send along this patch and see who sticks their head up to see what they want to do about multiple choices; this seems to be the first "choice" for mythmusic audio output
00:21<mikekedl>this will allow people to play with it; but whole mythmusic audio thing should probably get tweaked to do oss/alsa, arts, jackit thingy, etc.
00:22<mikekedl>I find it interesting that I had to massage the audio out in mythtv (like oss does IIRC) but not in mythmusic....
00:23<mikekedl>off to make a patch file....
00:25<pahli_bar>again just being curious. what is the motivation behind multiple app soundcard access for myth
00:26*DJ_Rican is gonna crawl under a rock and... i can't get mythtv to re-rip the same track... :(
00:35<DJ_Rican>this sucks... if i rip a track and sound doesn't work, i can't re-rip it using a different sound option... :(
00:35<mikekedl>pahli_bar: if you are asking me why? because I run multiple apps that try to open the sound device: AIM, Window Manager (sound effects), mplayer, xmms, etc, apps I am writing...
00:35<mikekedl>I get tired of starting/killing artsd
00:35<mikekedl>waiting for an app to exit, etc
00:36<mikekedl>if I have xmms paused, it doesn't release the audio, so I can't watch a 30 minute show on myth; I have to kill xmms; if I want to pause mythmusic and watch a dvd; I have to kill myth; etc
00:36<mikekedl>make sense?
00:37<mikekedl>with a sound server of hw capable of mixing (I wish I had I guess) you can run lots of apps that share the device and none have to close or exit or get in "the right state"
00:38<cmorgan>well if all of those apps supported your sound server you'd be all set ;-)
00:39<mikekedl>they do
00:40<mikekedl>xmms, mplayer, aim, stuff I work on, and myth
00:40<mikekedl>and xine
00:41<ShockValue>does arts cause a loss in fidelity? I wouldnt mind using arts for myth, but not if it sacrificed quality
00:41<mikekedl>wmorgan: and the wm itself of course; everything all nice and happy now :-)
00:41<mikekedl>shockvalue: sounds the same to me; the only issue I know of, as cmorgan pointed out, is does the latency cause problems
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00:42<pahli_bar>mikekedl: ah.
00:42<mikekedl>with music it shouldn't be an issue; with tv it could
00:42<monkeyBox_>Hi all. I'm having trouble playing mythmusic files that are mounted over NFS.. I keep getting a decoder error. When I play the music locally it seems to work fine.
00:42<monkeyBox_>I've made sure
00:42<mikekedl>but it "looks" ok to me; but I've only watched a few hours with arts...
00:42<ShockValue>except for perhaps gapless playback(?)
00:43<pahli_bar>mikekedl: unlike you i run a dedicated mythbox
00:43<monkeyBox_>I've made sure that the mythtv user has permissions on the files as well
00:43<ShockValue>monkeyBox_: strange that.. i have it playing via nfs OK with no errors currently
00:43<mikekedl>pahli_bar: I am testing in that mode at the moment; since I don't want to break my "wifes" system
00:43<mikekedl>(my laptop has a tv tuner built in)
00:44<pahli_bar>mikekedl: nice. what laptop and what tuner?
00:44<ShockValue>monkeyBox_: can you play the NFS files with a different audio player (like xxms or something) ?
00:44<pahli_bar>Chutt: you awake?
00:44<monkeyBox_>ShockValue: Yes, I can play mp3s w/ mpg123 or madplay ... What's your export line look like?
00:44<ShockValue>umm, let me check
00:44<mikekedl>pahli_bar: sager 2.4Ghz P4, Avermedia tv system; came with a remote and everything :-)
00:45*pahli_bar drools
00:45<mikekedl>work bought it of course
00:45<mikekedl>I beat the #$%%$ out of it day and night :-)
00:45<mikekedl>it is off like 60 minutes a day as I drive to/from work
00:46<ShockValue>(minus the "." to make it paste OK"
00:46<mikekedl>pahli_bar: over a year and a half old now; should be pretty cheap
00:46<mikekedl>ie, 1200-1500 I would guess now (USD)
00:46<pahli_bar>mikekedl: i think i'm going apple for my next purchase
00:47<mikekedl>my grandfather in law loves them :-)
00:47<mikekedl>I haven't used them much since the "old days" when I used to sell them
00:47<monkeyBox_>ShockValue: what about "sync" or "async" ?
00:47<mikekedl>owned so many apple 2, 2+, 2e, mac 128, mac ... stuff
00:47<ShockValue>isnt that in fstab?
00:47<ShockValue>(im kinda new to nfs)
00:47<pahli_bar>i meant a powerbook/ibook. those things look lickingly good
00:48<mikekedl>pahli_bar: now that they're going *nix I may take a peak
00:48<ShockValue>well, what i posted there is my entire exports file
00:48<mikekedl>pahli_bar: but pc stuff is so cheap
00:48<mikekedl>and multi-source
00:48<mikekedl>apple == 1 source
00:48<pahli_bar>mikekedl: thats my motivation exactly. bsd base
00:48<monkeyBox_>hmm.. ok. I'll take a look at it some more...
00:49<pahli_bar>mikekedl: used to love freebsd. till the hw support started going down
00:49<ShockValue>im not very linux smart, but since i have it workin ok, let me know if you want any more copy+paste :D
00:49<mikekedl>pahli_bar:; the model on the front page is the same line I have, just its great great grandchild
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00:50<mikekedl>its a honkin big machine though :-)
00:50<mikekedl>10.5 lbs
00:51<pahli_bar>thats what i would to avoid. my old dell weighs about 8lbs and i got shoulder burns from lugging it around
00:51<pahli_bar>small and sleek is what i'm going for
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00:53<monkeyBox_>ShockValue: Cool.. Got it to work. I guess I had some strange options in my fstab file
00:55<ShockValue>Sanguine:/raid/video /Video nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr 0 0
00:55<ShockValue>thats what my fstab entry looks like.
00:56<mikekedl>pahli_bar: does what I want is what I'm looking for :-) small and sleek is nice, but functionality comes first for me
00:57<mikekedl>besides, I need the exercise!
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01:18<mikekedl>mythmusic patch off the the mailing list; now to finish the patch for mythtv
01:18<mikekedl>arts should work for music if you run "configure --enable-arts"
01:18<DJ_Rican>whenever the developer of mythdvd especially the rip part comes in, could someone let me know please...
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01:29<pahli_bar>DJ_Rican: still struggling with the rip
01:30<DJ_Rican>i kinda gave up until someone that knows how to fix it comes along...
01:30<pahli_bar>DJ_Rican: let me try. i have never used mythdvd though.
01:31<DJ_Rican>well, if you rip a track and it comes out wrong, it won't let you re-rip it...
01:31<pahli_bar>DJ_Rican: as root. type mysql
01:31<pahli_bar>once you get the mysql prompt type use mythconverg;
01:31<DJ_Rican>i'm not going into that... i'm watching a movie right now... thx
01:31<pahli_bar>DJ_Rican: fine
01:32<DJ_Rican>if you know the exact field and the table that mythdvd writes to, then that could help...
01:33<pahli_bar>only way i can do that is by installing mythdvd, which i have no use for
01:34<DJ_Rican>thx bud, don't go through the trouble... it's a pain...
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01:44<pahli_bar>DJ_Rican: i just parsed the source quickly and there are two tables for mythdvd: dvdinput and dvdtranscode.
01:47<DJ_Rican>ok... i know dvdtranscode was one...
01:48<mikekedl>just emailed mythtv patch to the list to use arts sound daemon; YMMV
01:48<DJ_Rican>maybe if i delete the records in those tables, i can rip again....
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02:26<vagrant>this is driving me nuts.
02:26<vagrant>I go to watch tv, and the screen goes blank.
02:26<vagrant>2004-01-04 01:23:09 ReadStringList timeout (quick).
02:26<vagrant>QSocketDevice::writeBlock: Invalid socket
02:26<vagrant>2004-01-04 01:23:09 Error writing stringlist
02:26<vagrant>Waited 2 seconds for data to become available, waiting again...
02:27<vagrant>the last line is repeated indefinitely as far as I can tell.
02:29<DJ_Rican>vagrant: i had that problem yesterday.. it was related to not using the correct ivtv drivers... someone in #ivtv-dev helped me fix it...
02:31<vagrant>it seems to work fine when I mplayer /dev/video though.
02:32<vagrant>did. seem to work fine.
02:33<vagrant>DJ_Rican: got a little more info? what exactly wasn't correct? the cvs snapshot version? an option?
02:35<DJ_Rican>i ended up recompiling and installing again
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11:45<nchip>2004-01-04 18:44:07 Not compiled with any useable video output method.
11:45<Chutt>why did you disable xv support?
11:46<MythMichale>Guten Morgen :)
11:46<nchip>duh. cvs requires CONFIG += using_xv
11:47<nchip>I just copied my working .13 and assumed it would work with cvs. sorry for the noise
11:47<Chutt>why did you disable it?
11:47<Chutt>oh, that's stupid
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11:58DJ_ZZzzis now known as DJ_awake
12:02<DJ_awake>hmm... something is eating up my HD space... :(
12:03<paulproteus|lapt>Is it a sneaky little rodent, crawling around your house and terrorizing your computer system?
12:03<DJ_awake>might be...
12:10cmorgan_zzzis now known as cmorgan
12:28*DJ_awake has given up trying to get remote working for now... hanging around channel to learn stuff... :)
12:29<DJ_awake>i can't get this thing to work...
12:31DJ_awakeis now known as DJ_Rican
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12:47<DJ_Rican>why when i start mythbackend i get multiple running processes?
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13:00<DJ_Rican>can i take snapshots from live tv?
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13:14<ShockValue>woo hoo! finally got Myth to recognise my entire audio collection properly..
13:15<ShockValue>turns out it was EasyTag either a) not completley compatible with MythTv, or b) EasyTag being partially broken :)
13:16<sfr>what version of easytag did you use?
13:19<ShockValue>about 25% of my music files that were tagged with easytag weren't showing up myth.. so I loaded them up in a different tagger and the tags didnt show up there either. Re-tagged them with tagger#2 and now they work fine.
13:20<ShockValue>yep, caused me quite some frustration... im good now though, just tired from tagging until 4am :)
13:21<kvandivo>interesting.. apparently the 'category' isn't reliably getting put into the programinfo object when viewing your list of prerecorded shows
13:23<Chutt>kvandivo, you're not seeing the segfault in the linear blend filter, are you?
13:25<Chutt>i need someone competent to help debug it :(
13:25<kvandivo>wait.. maybe i am.. let me rerun.. (haven't been using myth much for actual tv watching lately.. :)
13:27<kvandivo>videoout_xv.cpp:841 sound familiar?
13:28<kvandivo>let me throw valgrind, etc at it
13:28<Chutt>the linearBlendMMX() function
13:28<Chutt>just in that function, can you try changing all ebx to edx?
13:29<kvandivo>one sec
13:30<Chutt>i think that fixes it, just need to confirm
13:31<kvandivo>hmm.. lotta those little suckers.. methinks a :.,'a/sebx/edx/g is in order
13:32<Chutt>can't, there's stuff in the cpuid function that needs ebx
13:32<kvandivo>well, i set a mark ( 'a ) at the end of the function and did that from the beginning. :)
13:33<kvandivo>the s and the / are transposed in that, though...
13:33<kvandivo>fixed it for me
13:34<kvandivo>video came up, nothing strange apparent, etc etc.
13:34<kvandivo>you wanna patch?
13:35<Chutt>already did it in my local tree
13:35<kvandivo>figured.. but thought i would offer..
13:36<Chutt>thanks =)
13:44<kvandivo>well i'll be.. sure enough, HandleQueryRecordings isn't grabbing the category..
13:45<Chutt>it wasn't filled in originally
13:48<kvandivo>did you mean to say something in the response to Debabrata? :)
13:48<Chutt>i'm waiting to get the email so i can respond to it properly
13:49<kvandivo>just strange to see a reply from you without any text.. that's all.. no biggie
13:50<Chutt>clicked send before typing in 'applied'
13:50<kvandivo>that most often happens to me when attaching files.. i'll write some glorious description of something that i then don't bother attaching
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14:19<vagrant>anyone have a sample lircrc built for mythtv I can use?
14:20<josephk>there's an example in the contrib or configfiles directory I believe
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14:21<vagrant>hrm. didn't see one, I'll look again.
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15:07<FatLazyNinja>Does anyone know how to get the snes or nes emulator to go fullscreen?
15:16<thor_>cool, first "why nupple" post of 2004 !
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15:21<DJ_Rican>FatLazyNinja: you have them working under mythtv? :)
15:22<FatLazyNinja>but they are very small windows
15:23<engie>Does anyone know id a h323 chat plugin is being developed anywhere? If not I'll have a go!
15:25*DJ_Rican is going to try that later... :) xmame, snes, nes...
15:25<FatLazyNinja>I am using snes9x and fecu-sdl, let me know if you have better luck then me :P
15:29<DJ_Rican>FatLazyNinja: keep checking here... someone might post a reply...
15:30<FatLazyNinja>ok thanks, I'll bookmark it
15:30<FatLazyNinja>I saw a few threads on the mythtv mailing list too, but no answers
15:31<DJ_Rican>did you read the mythgame README?
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15:32<FatLazyNinja>yeah, I don;t remember it talking about this issue
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15:32<DJ_Rican>you could also try running snes9x by itself, setting th fullscreen option then trying it from mythtv
15:33<FatLazyNinja>oh I have a question about that
15:33<FatLazyNinja>how do I launch an app in X fom console
15:33<FatLazyNinja>I think last time I tried to do snes9x it told me it couldnt connect to an x server
15:34<FatLazyNinja>from console that is
15:34<DJ_Rican>hmm.. did you have x running?
15:34<DJ_Rican>there should be an icon under games or create one that points to snes9x...
15:35<FatLazyNinja>oh sorry forgot to say, I'm running knoppmyth and its usinf fvwm
15:36<FatLazyNinja>I can switch to it by hitting ctrl alt f7
15:37<DJ_Rican>ohh!! :(
15:37<FatLazyNinja>and I can grep xfree86 from ps
15:37<DJ_Rican>it might be missing something then
15:37<FatLazyNinja>so you think its an issue with the wm?
15:39<FatLazyNinja>ok thanks I will try to attack the problem from that angle
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15:41<davatar>there's a bug in the new keybindings code, some older hardcoded keys are still honored, i.e. up/down=skip in playback... Where would this be done?
15:42<davatar>rather channelup/channeldown
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15:58<etcp>Hi, I'm trying to run mythfilldatabase, and it says: ...TV.xmltv does not exist..., so I try to run tv_grab_uk --configure manually and get: not well-formed (invalid token) at line 11, column 28, byte 287 at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.2/i686-linux/XML/ line 187. Does anyone have any ideas? thanks!
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16:11<engie>etcp: I understood tv_grab_uk was broken - I renamed the german one I think
16:11<engie>seemed to work
16:15<etcp>Ah, OK, then I'll give that a try - thanks
16:16<engie>Does anyone here know if there is any documented hints on how to produce myth plugins?
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16:19<thor_>engie, both mythweather and mythvideo are resonably well commented
16:19<engie>thor_: I'm flicking through mythweather now
16:20<engie>I've never done a QT app before though, it's a bit of a learning curve
16:21<DJ_Rican>how do i remove commercials from a video file?
16:22<thor_>engie, yup ... but there's not actually that much Qt left ... just the events mechanism really
16:22<engie>thor_: Right-e-o
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16:38<girliegir>Having trouble with myth, have Hauppauge! PVR-350
16:39<girliegir>anyone around who can assist?
16:39<Chutt>mailing list.
16:40<girliegir>been there for the last 3 days
16:40<girliegir>thought i'd try here
16:40<Chutt>then ask a question on it.
16:41<girliegir>we've got it working fine if we set tv out to be the pvr350, but how do we make it send it to the computer screen
16:41<Chutt>you don't.
16:42<Chutt>if you want to use the pvr-350's decoder, you have to use the tv out on the pvr-350.
16:42<girliegir>it's impossible to watch tv on the screen if you have a pvr350?
16:42<Chutt>unless you want to use software decoding
16:42<girliegir>i'll let the computer do the decoding, i just want to see it
16:42<Chutt>in which case, it was pretty damn stupid to have bought the -350
16:42<girliegir>that's fine, that's what i want it to do at this moment
16:43<Chutt>then follow the setup instructions in the mythtv docs.
16:43<girliegir>the 350 out is going to my projector tv
16:43<etcp>you can do:
16:43<etcp>mplayer /dev/video0
16:44<girliegir>etcp, thanks changed the 350 out back and forth a couple times and it's all good
16:44<girliegir>so what made you full of sunshine today Chutt?
16:44<Chutt>people asking stupid tech support questions in here?
16:45<girliegir>so what is the room for then?
16:45<girliegir>funny, it just says topic is Http://, perhaps making that known would prevent user questions
16:46<josephk>doubt it
16:46<Chutt>seeing as you went ahead and asked your questions _after_ i said to ask on the mailing list
16:46<Chutt>i doubt it
16:46<etcp>you did invite the question!
16:47<Chutt>on the mailing list
16:47<etcp>your invite wasn't clear to ask on the ML...
16:47<girliegir>well, if as a developer, that's your attitude, i'd suspect you ward off quite a few from becoming a developer
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16:48<josephk>sounds like someone from yesterday
16:49<etcp>Apart from the last point, I think she's got a point - it's non-obvious what this channel is for
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16:49<PhracturedBlue>Chutt, are you around?
16:49<Chutt>etcp, the channel isn't advertised _anywhere_ as a tech support channel
16:49<engie>Most dev channels say so in the title - or have #mythtv and #mythtv-dev
16:50<etcp>chutt, sure, but when in the channel, without seeing any adverts, how would I know that?
16:50<PhracturedBlue>I have a question about the seek table: in NuppelVideoRecorder, we update the seektable on 'S' frames, but in nuppeldecoder, we update it on the first frame found in a GetFrame call if no Position Map exists.
16:50<Chutt>you wait a little bit and see what people are talking about?
16:51<etcp>I have - there's alot of tech support going on!
16:51<Chutt>phracturedblue, on the first frame found?
16:51<Chutt>where's that?
16:51<josephk>I don't know about anyone else, but I come here to complain
16:51<davatar>eh.. how about just putting "development" in the topic..
16:51<Chutt>i had it in there last year
16:51<PhracturedBlue>yeah:if (!hasFullPositionMap) (*positionMap)[lastKey / keyframedist] = currentposition;
16:51<nchip>like anyone ever reads the topics :P
16:51<Chutt>no one paid any attention to it then
16:51<Chutt>phracturedblue, isn't that in the S type, though?
16:52<PhracturedBlue>currentpoition is only set at the beginning of GetFrame
16:52<josephk>just change the channel name to #not-mythtv
16:52<etcp>josephk: I'm not here to complain at all! I'm taking the newbie viewpoint, and trying to be constructive
16:52<etcp>or change the topic to "tech support channel is over -> there"
16:52<Chutt>it looks right to me
16:52<josephk>etcp: I'm talking about me:)
16:52<Chutt>currentposition should be the beginning of that S frame
16:53<PhracturedBlue>Chutt, well it might be a bug in the transcoder, but can't NVR write an audio frame b4 the first video frame?
16:53<etcp>Anyway, said my piece - I'll shut up now! Thankyou all you lovely MythTV developers!
16:54<Chutt>but, should that hurt anything?
16:54<PhracturedBlue>in which I could have: A,SV,SA,V
16:54<PhracturedBlue>and currentposition will point at the 'A' frame.
16:54<Chutt>why wouldn't it point to the SV frame?
16:55<Chutt>currentposition's updated at the beginning of each frame in ND::GetFrame
16:55<PhracturedBlue>because GetFrame always stops on the last I could have 'V,A,SV,SA,V' and GetFrame would start on that 'A' which is where currentposition would be set,
16:56<Chutt>right, it'd read the A frame, process it
16:56<PhracturedBlue>never mind
16:56<Chutt>set currentposition again
16:56<Chutt>thought it was outside the while?
16:56<PhracturedBlue>yeah, I missed that it was in the gotvideo loop.
16:57<PhracturedBlue>well, then, there is a bug in the transcoder afterall, because it is setting the poition Map to the 'A' frame. guess I need to fix that.
16:57<Chutt>doesn't the transcoder just let the NVR do the position map?
16:58<PhracturedBlue>yeah, but not when doing mpeg4->mpeg4
16:58<PhracturedBlue>anyhow, this one is easy to fix at least, as we have currentposition right here.
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17:04<pahli_bar>Chutt: can i get write permissions to mythgallery cvs
17:04<Chutt>you don't have it?
17:04<Chutt>you should have write everywhere
17:04<pahli_bar>Chutt: oh never tried.
17:05<pahli_bar>Chutt: not ready to commit yet. still working on it
17:06<davatar>for the keybindings wouldn't it be better to make tv playback/live tv different contexts? since browsemode/channel change/etc dissappear..
17:06<Chutt>davatar, i decided that that wasn't worth it
17:07<Chutt>lot of overlap
17:08<davatar>yeah, the overlap is where I'm having problems.. I thought I could get around it by assigned to same key to different actions in the same context, but only the first gets processed..
17:11<Chutt>which keys?
17:12<davatar>channelup/down and jump/ffwd/rwnd.
17:13<davatar>there is also a bug in which channelup/down is used for jump when watching pre-recorded... So after I fixed that it became impossible to get my channel buttons to do jump during pre-recorded
17:13<davatar>line 1417/1419 of tv_play.cpp
17:13<Chutt>no, it's not a bug that channel up/down is jump when it's watching a recording
17:14<davatar>well the keybinding doesn't work :)
17:14<Chutt>works here
17:15<davatar>what I meant is it doesn't work when watching a recording.. it works only in livetv mode.. you're stuck with channelup/down otherwise.
17:15<Chutt>channel up/down during a recording act as jump back/forward
17:15<Chutt>that works fine here
17:16<davatar>say for example you wanted to use a unique pair of keys for jump regardless of what you're watching, that's not possible. It's not a bug in the sense it doesn't work they way it was intended..
17:17<Chutt>there's a separate set of jump keys
17:17<davatar>..which is ineffective while watching a recording :)
17:18<Chutt>erm, no, they work fine during a recording
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17:19<davatar>ok.. then it is a bug. When 'if (StateIsPlaying(internalState))' JUMPFFWD/RWND are never used.
17:19<Chutt>of course it's not in that if clause
17:19<Chutt>it's in higher up in that function
17:20<Chutt>that if clause is only things for playback
17:20<Chutt>just as the if clause immediately previous to that is only things for live tv mode
17:20<Chutt>the common actions are before _that_
17:20<davatar>I see...
17:21<Octane>when setting up an external change channel command... do you need to put anything else beside the script's filename
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17:24<Octane>should the console show anything? i get a channel change and mythtv's osd but not channel change is transmitted
17:26<Chutt>if you have the verbose command line option on
17:26<Chutt>in 'channel' mode
17:28<Octane>thank you, ill take a look
17:28<Octane>i cant believe i actually got my blaster working, i can actually move the box next to the tv and take away the monitor
17:29<robbie>you hooking myth to your cable box?
17:29<Octane>its been hooked, but not i can control it
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17:29<robbie>heh, i'm planing to do same tonight
17:30<robbie>my cable box has a serial port, so im trying that first
17:35<DJ_Rican>what can i use to convert .nuv to mpg or another format?
17:37<DJ_Rican>also, how do i edit commercials out?
17:38<Chutt>DJ_Rican, you _really_ need to use the mailing lists
17:38<Chutt>just search them for things
17:39<DJ_Rican>ohh... :) on the mythtv website?
17:39<Chutt>they're linked to from there, yes.
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17:41<DJ_Rican>hmm... i found them but no search
17:42<Octane>its right there!
17:43<DJ_Rican>ok, this is where i'm at:
17:43<Octane>next time read the page
17:43<Octane>there is a link to it right there
17:43<Octane>actually im wrong, but there is a link to it from
17:44<Chutt>it is in the sentence _after_ the link to the signup page
17:44<DJ_Rican>i went to the first myth-users link... gossamer is the second link :)
17:44<Chutt>so it does require a person to read _two_ sentences
17:45<Octane>DJ_nixbox cute
17:45<Octane>damnit, two dj's
17:46<DJ_nixbox>it's my backup... hehe
17:47*DJ_Rican doesn't care what anyone says, you guys rock! :)
17:48<Octane>I changed the external channel change command yet mythtv wont use it, im sure im missing a really basic step
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17:52<pahli_bar>Chutt: do you mind if i do a complete rehaul of mythgallery. i found the current framework too restrictive for my modifications and the variable naming confusing.
17:53<Chutt>'course not
17:54<pahli_bar>thanks. i will put up a link to a tarball for you to test before i make any commits
17:54<Chutt>make commits whenever you want
17:55<Chutt>a release is still a little way off, so i don't mind at all if things are temporarily broken
17:55<pahli_bar>thanks :)
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18:11<Octane>i dont get it, i defined an external channel change command and yet myth doesnt use it. anyone know off the top of their head the name of the variable that stores it? ill look in the db
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18:27<Octane>has anyone here gotten the external channel change command to work? my ir blaster is working after 3 weeks, but mythtv wont use the script although its specified
18:32<Chutt>set the script to 'echo' or whatnot
18:32<Chutt>so it'll print out the channel number it's turning to
18:35<Octane>it already does that
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18:35<Octane>echo "changing to $1"
18:35<Octane>/usr/local/bin/ $1 &
18:35<Octane>just like the howto says
18:36<Octane>running change_channel.csh XX in console works just fine
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18:36<Chutt>which input on the capture card are you using?
18:37<Chutt>oh well
18:37<Chutt>if you were using television, it'd have been because you hadn't set the 'tuneto' channel, but that's not it =)
18:37<Octane>lol :(
18:38<Chutt>dunno what to tell you
18:38<Octane>do you know off the top off your head the name of the variable that holds on that string?
18:38<Octane>i cant seem to find it in settings
18:38<Chutt>it's in the cardinput table
18:38<sfr>bitbyte: you want a svcd? only 340MB to d/l *g*
18:39<Octane>yah its fine then
18:39<Octane>change_channel.csh $1
18:39<Octane>does it append the $1?
18:41<Chutt>shouldn't have
18:41<Octane>that was me in one of my tests
18:41<Octane>inputting '13' for example, changes mythtv, displays the osd, the cahnnel info, the program info
18:41<Octane>it doesnt execute the external command
18:41<bitbyte>i got the whole hting sfr
18:41<bitbyte>i think
18:41<bitbyte>gotta take it home to try it out
18:42<pahli_bar>Octane: maybe try entering the entire path
18:42<Octane>pahli_bar: tried that
18:42<sfr>ah, i tried nuvexport today, and suddenly it worked :/.
18:43<Chutt>octane, have you run it with '--verbose channel' yet?
18:43<bitbyte>dont deete it yet plz
18:43<bitbyte>let me make sure it works
18:43<Octane>Chutt: i have not
18:43<bitbyte>the machine i tried it on got no vid, but ut did have audio
18:44<sfr>bitbyte: ok, the svcd is on CD now anyways
18:44<Octane>ill try now
18:44<bitbyte>ok, i meant the original. not the vcd tho
18:44<bitbyte>do you still have the nuv?
18:45<DJ_Rican>ok, you guys are probably going to answer sarcastically again but, after i select my cut-points and hit X, what to do next to cut the commercials? and yes, i've search the mailing lists already... and i have the printed key.txt and mythtv documentation here... :)
18:45<sfr>bitbyte: yes, i'll keep it for a while
18:45<Chutt>dj_rican, that's been discussed in the past couple days on the -users list.
18:45<bitbyte>thanks a bunch sfr
18:45<bitbyte>i gotta go grill some chicken
18:46<Octane>Chutt its not outputting anything when "channel channels"
18:46<Chutt>then it's doesn't think it has the option set for some reason
18:48<DJ_Rican>somehow i thought that was going to be the answer... :|
18:49<Octane>Chutt any ideas on what steps i should take?
18:49<Chutt>octane, not really
18:49<abhi>how's the suppourt for the pvr250/350? i read that captions werent working, but that was dated a few months back
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18:50<Chutt>captions still won't work
18:50<Chutt>as the driver doesn't support em yet
18:51<Octane>in cardinput, whats the cardinputid variable
18:52<Chutt>internal id
18:52<Octane>it was set to 2
18:52<robbie>what are caption anyhow?
18:52<Octane>robbie like for deaf people
18:52<Octane>like you have in bars
18:52<Octane>on a football game
18:52<Octane>what the announcers say
18:53<pahli_bar>its nice to have captions. keep wife from waking up when you want to watch tv late at night
18:54<Octane>i guess ill email the list about my external command issue
18:55<Chutt>be best, someone else may have had the same problem
18:55<pahli_bar>hmmm.. avermedia has a new card M150
18:55<Chutt>only other thing i can tell you is to check out the source
18:55<Chutt>pahli_bar, from the specs, it looks closer to the oem pvr-250 than the m179 was
18:55<Chutt>though no one's reported one on as working/not on the ivtv list yet
18:55<pahli_bar>lot cheaper too. just 80$ at newegg
18:56<Octane>i have terribel luck with the ml though, i never get any responses, even when i do something good!
18:56<robbie>man, pvr 250 is about $450 here in .au
18:56<robbie>and 350 is $100 more
18:56<pahli_bar>450 in us dollars?
18:57<abhi>hm, in that case how much cpu would it take to encode two streams at once? manegable on an athlon xp 2500+ with 512 ram?
18:57<robbie>pahli_bar: .au $
18:57<robbie> .au = australia
18:57<pahli_bar>robbie: whats the conversion rate? us <-> au
18:57<Octane>anyone know how do to turn off the myth osd?
18:57<robbie>we use australian dollars
18:57<Octane>program osd that is
18:57<Chutt>hit escape
18:58<robbie>we are about 75cUS=$1AU
18:58<Chutt>while it's up
18:58<Chutt>and it'll go off
18:58<Octane>Chutt for good i mean
18:58<Chutt>you can't
18:58<pahli_bar>robbie: thats still verrry expensive
18:58<pahli_bar>abhi: read the docs at
18:58<Octane>Chutt so what do people with digital cable boxes which have osd's do?
18:58<robbie>hey with the info osd while watching tv
18:59<Chutt>turn off the cable box osd
18:59<robbie>watching a recording sorry
18:59<robbie>press it once and you get position, second time and you get program info
18:59*kvandivo whistles softly to himself.
18:59<robbie>can we get press third time and osd goes away :)
18:59<robbie>like in live tv
19:00<Chutt>just hit escape to make it go away
19:00<Chutt>kvandivo, how's your code coming?
19:01<robbie>ya, however third press to make it go away would be more consistent
19:01<kvandivo>pretty good, actually.. i now have the rank selection working on my local copy.. have the 'view rankings' screen there (looks a lot like the rec priorities screen with the ability to right/left to change rank)
19:02<kvandivo>and, when a user chooses a rank for a program it adds subtitle/description info for that program to another table (which will be used later to feed the actual recommendation engine)
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19:03<kvandivo>to do: modify mythfilldatabase so that it looks for new episodes of a ranked show and adds the new episode info to the helper table as well
19:04*pahli_bar wonders what kvandivo is working on. tivo like recommendations?
19:04<kvandivo>future todo once the initial version is out in the wild: look into converting the slider to the multipic icons as you had suggested
19:04<kvandivo>yes, pahli
19:04<Octane>i got it! i got it!
19:04<Octane>i am such an asshat
19:04<pahli_bar>cool. wasn't somebody working on a bayesian engine for recommendations.
19:05*kvandivo points a finger at himself.
19:05<kvandivo>well, i had a rough version a few months ago..
19:05<pahli_bar>heh. nice
19:05<kvandivo>someone else sent a c program to the list a couple of months ago that did closer-to-true bayesian as a different process
19:06<kvandivo>but bayesian needs positive and negative values, which is what the ranking code will provide..
19:06<kvandivo>i just want to find the time to code to get this crap done and out there so that i can move on
19:07<pahli_bar>kvandivo: heh. time's always an issue at UC
19:10<DJ_Rican>what's with the little jumping icon thingy when i view an mpg?
19:10<kvandivo>you have it in karoeke mode
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19:11<mythMichale2>Moanin Ladies & Gentlemen
19:11*kvandivo looks around.
19:12<mythMichale2>Can someone point me to some links, besides IvanK's, that show how to set up Myth Menus thru the PVR350
19:12<mythMichale2>instead of the Video Card TVOUT
19:13<DJ_Rican>what's with the little jumping icon thingy when i view an mpg?
19:14<mythMichale2>Nerves?? :)
19:17<mythMichale2>thanx pahli :)
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19:25<Octane>ladies and gentlemen
19:25<Octane>the time has come
19:25<Octane>my mythbox is moving away from the center of my room
19:25<Octane>and next to the tv!
19:25<Octane>2 months later!
19:35<pahli_bar>Octane: i'm guessing you r either not married or your wife has a lot of patience :)
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19:39<abhi>how well does the commercial skip work?
19:40<Chutt>depends on the program
19:40<kvandivo>depends entire.. ya.. what he said
19:40<Chutt>varies from almost perfect, to not at all
19:40<pahli_bar>abhi: decently well... dark programs will cause problems
19:41<pahli_bar>X-files being an example
19:41<Octane>pahli_bar just a 22 year old college student :)
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19:41<kvandivo>i use the cool 'notify' feature so that it just tells me when it thinks a commercial is starting, but doesn't actually skip it
19:42<kvandivo>then i just hit 'z' if it actually is a commercial
19:42<abhi>does mythtv have a dcop interface or anything?
19:43<bitbyte>MythMichale, did you ever se what dvd drive your xbox has?
19:43<abhi>aw, i was thinking it'd be really cool to make a remote on my ipaq that uses wifi
19:43<Chutt>the network protocol is extremely simple, though
19:44<Chutt>kvandivo, i just committed your patch
19:46<abhi>how much bandwidth is needed for a frontend? would it be usable over an 802.11b network?
19:46<Chutt>depends on the bitrate you use for your recordings
19:47<kvandivo>good deal, chutt.. i was going to wait and just send it with the big one, but i figure if i can do anything that isn't directly related it should make the big one easier to digest
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19:56<mithro-->anyone tried to run mythtv on a handheld device like an ipaq or zaurus?
19:56<mithro-->(decoding only of course...)
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20:16<abhi>is the ivtv driver going to have suppourt for captions soon? how hard is it to implement?
20:21<tmk>abhi: captions?
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20:41<kvandivo>i think he is talking about closed captioning
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20:42<mchou>kvandivo: cc doesn't work on pvr-x50?
20:43<tmk>you can read the data from teh i2c interface actually
20:44<tmk>but there's no VBI support
20:44<mchou>in HW or SW?
20:44<mchou>so HW does support VBI?
20:44<tmk>a couple people have tried to get it working
20:45<tmk>hasn't' really panned out
20:46<mchou>hmm, any1 know if Hauppauge (windows) drivers support cc for pvr-x50?
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20:51<extremis>does anyone know how to update specific ebuilds from cvs?
21:03<Chutt>i see there are a lot of lawyers on the -users list
21:03<extremis>has anyone gotten softcam + dvb working yet?
21:05<extremis>does anyone know the CVSROOT I should use to cvs update the mythtv related ebuilds?
21:05<Chutt>if it's not the standard mythtv cvsroot, no
21:06<kvandivo>lawyers with lots of time on their hands
21:15<PhracturedBlue>Chutt, what is the criteria for changing the version value in nuv files? I just committed a fix for the longstanding bug with transcoded seektables, and am wondering if it is appropriate.
21:16<thor_>IANAL, but I know I don't like them very much
21:17<kvandivo>what is it they say? 'will rogers never met a lawyer' ?
21:18<thor_>Shakespeare comes to mind
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21:44<Chutt>PhracturedBlue, you didn't change anything in format.h, right?
21:44<Chutt>I generally did version changes when stuff in there changed in a non-backwards compatible way
21:45<PhracturedBlue>no. but in theory version 0.7 nuvs will not have correct seektables if they came from the transcoder. Though I am not sure why it would matter. Myth could handle them ok.
21:46<PhracturedBlue>(it is gauranted there is a SV frame between the pointer and the next 'V' frame, which is all that really matters.
21:48<PhracturedBlue>anyhow, I didn't change it.
21:48<extremis>cool, emerging 0.13-r1
22:01<Chutt>might as well keep it the same for now
22:03<cjs_>anyone else having a lot of problems with mythfrontend locking up while recording?
22:04<Chutt>get a backtrace
22:04<cjs_>not sure how
22:04<Chutt>step by step instructions in the mythtv docs
22:04<cjs_>mythfrontend (2 processes are running) starts taking up 100% CPU
22:04<cjs_>it doesn't lock the computer
22:04<cjs_>just the frontend
22:04<cjs_>and X display
22:04<Chutt>so get a backtrace
22:08<kvandivo>where is the overall area size of a myth screen defined? ie., in ui.xml areas are specified as starting at position X, Y.. where is the overall size defined that we can play with? i guess it would be the size of the 'window' that i'm wondering about..
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22:10<Chutt>basically, you assume it's 800x600 when doing the ui
22:11<Chutt>it then scales automatically from that to the actual screen size
22:11<Chutt>except for the osd during video playback, that's assumed to be 640x480, then scaled to actual
22:11<kvandivo>ok.. 800x600 answers my question for what i was doing.. is that just a qt thing?
22:12<Chutt>i just needed a standard size for things, and picked it randomly
22:13<kvandivo>ahh.. i see it now.. grep -r'ing for 600 returns some stuff in mythcontext.cpp..
22:13<Chutt>yeah, the wmult/hmult stuff
22:18<kvandivo>so.. <area>0,414,800,240</area>
22:18<kvandivo>is actually going outside the bounds in Y
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22:32<kvandivo>i see that rk-lines.png doesn't get rescaled to fit the selection box..
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22:45<kvandivo>so now i've got
22:58<kvandivo>hmmm... i think i figured that one out from looking at conflict resolution.. however, this makes me wonder if I should just make the whole screen a selection box.. having the title and rank at the bottom isn't adding anything
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23:00<accurate>does mythtv allow configuring which keys are used to navigate its menus? I have a remote located on /dev/js0
23:00<accurate>actually, its more of a gamepad than a remote
23:01<kvandivo>mythweb allows you to configure what key does what. making it work with your input device is up to you
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23:27<witten>after creating the mythconverg database, what do I do to create the tables in it?
23:29<cmorgan>you ran the mc.sql file?
23:29<cmorgan>or piped it into mysql rather
23:29<witten>I guess I have to run mythtv-setup
23:29<witten>ok, thanks
23:29<cmorgan>then mythfilldatabase should fill in the rest of the data
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