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---Logopened Thu Jan 15 00:00:05 2004
00:04<bobnvic>I have a problem getting xmame to run fullscreen. when I run it, from command line or mythgame, it crashes X. I'm guessing it's setting the resolution to something my tv-out doesn't like, but setting it 640x480 in mythgame settings doesn't help
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00:13<jmblack>are their docs nad or a faq available on 'features' of mythtv or a howto on how to use it? Specifically right now I want to end a recording but not delete what is currently recorded.. I know it can be done but I cant fumble through how ;)
00:13<jmblack>nad == and ;)
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00:14<Chutt>jmblack, just hit m on the watch recordings screen
00:15<Return0>what's the apt-source for mythtv?
00:16<Return0>for .13
00:16<Return0>I have sarge
00:18<Chutt>or -> binary packages section
00:19<Return0>mdz I tried the mdz source at first I was using woody but now since I am using sarge I tried unstable so I could get .13 but it didn't work when I tried apt-get
00:20<mdz>in that case, still, what you need to know can be found at the above URLs
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00:24<Return0>I'm only seeing .11 on those docs
00:26<Return0>unless I change the apt source from woody to unstable
00:26<jmblack>Chutt, thx
00:27<Return0>I try apt-get install mythtv (mythtv-suite seems non-existant) and it says it depends on mythtv- back and front end but it is not going to be installed.
00:28<jmblack>wow, the gant theme is nice :)
00:28<Return0>that's for unstable though and I'm using sarge...
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00:36<Return0>I can't figure this out
00:36<jmblack>is their a setting somewhere to 'delay x seconds' beforre recording? or maybe execute channel changing script x seconds before a recording?
00:37<jmblack>I can record MORE before or after a recording.... I want to record less ;) I keep picking up the previous channel in my recordings ;(
00:37<Return0>I have deb unstable mythtv
00:38<Return0>but it gives me dependency errors
00:38<jmblack>hrm.... solve those dependancies? ;)
00:39<Return0>but it's apt it's supposed to do it
00:39<Chutt>maybe it doesn't know where to get the packages to solve those dependencies?
00:39<Return0>they are on the same apt-source
00:39<Chutt>what packages?
00:40<Return0>and backend
00:40<Chutt>that just says it's not going to install those
00:40<Chutt>for _another_ reason
00:40<Return0>but if I try to do those manually...
00:41<Return0>ok so somewhere deep in this dependency tree there is something missing probably?
00:41<Chutt>it should tell you what, yes.
00:41<jmblack>Am I dreaming of a feature that does not exist.... or should I go re-read the documentation again ;)
00:43<Chutt>jmblack, you can tell it to record later
00:43<Chutt>but, just fast forward when you start watching
00:43<Chutt>i don't see it being a big deal
00:43<jmblack>hrm... k, I'll dive into the docs
00:43<Return0>chutt so what should I do?
00:43<jmblack>its not a 'big deal' .. it would just look nicer :)
00:44<Chutt>return0, figure out which package it's dying on?
00:44<thor_>I'm trying to get the channel changing script to start my hot air popper 4 minutes before a movie starts, but the butter is not melting properly
00:44<Return0>so just try to install a dependency until I find the problem?
00:44<jmblack>thor, sigh :) I wasnt being that newbish :P
00:45<Chutt>return0, it should tell you what the missing dependency is.
00:45<Chutt>as i've said.
00:45<Return0>it doesn't
00:45<jmblack>maybe one day I'll be 'in the know' enough to add the delay Im hoping for :)
00:46*thor_ starts thinking about X10 modules in the mfd ... oh dear
00:47<Return0>going down the dependecies it looks like libqt is not a high enough version
00:47<jmblack>scary.... your on vacation... and come home to a floor full of popcorn becuase you forgot to tell your mythtv box you were going out of town... and it didnt need to pop the popcorn ;)
00:48<thor_>hmmm butter
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00:50<Chutt>warlord-afk, are you around?
00:55<Chutt>want someone to test this pip code
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00:57<thor_>350 pip code ?
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01:07<Chutt>huh, i wonder how i left off the beginning letter on that commit
01:11<Chutt>oh well
01:11<Chutt>time to start the long and arduous recompile on the epia-m
01:12<thor_>try it on a via 500 or whatever that thing they sent me was ...
01:12<Chutt>you asked for that :p
01:12<thor_>nice case :-)
01:12<Chutt>coulda gotten the m10k
01:13<thor_>less than 10" deep, sitting on my bookshelf between two other books driving a little Nakamichi running an mfd
01:13<Chutt>so, when d'ya think mfd will be ready to start getting integrated into other stuff?
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01:14<thor_>'bout a month
01:15<thor_>thought as a first test I'd hack mythmusic to look for it and run as normal if it can't find it
01:15<Chutt>that'd be cool.
01:16<thor_>really wants new clients, but it's a transition path
01:16<Chutt>what about the transcoding stuff?
01:16<Chutt>is that in there at all yet?
01:16<thor_>music yes
01:16<thor_>dvd no
01:16<Chutt>cd ripping?
01:16<thor_>not as such
01:17<Chutt>i want background cd ripping =)
01:17<Chutt>with a little menu plugin that shows it's still going
01:17<Teflon>that'd be nice
01:17<thor_>you'll get it, and network wide
01:17<Teflon>then i can ditch EAC
01:17<thor_>still a bit more hill to climb, then it'll start to get easy to through stuff in
01:20<Chutt>thor, i'm thinking 0.14 in a couple weeks
01:21<thor_>yup ... other than a little thing here and a little thing there, I'm head down on the mfd stuff in any case
01:21<thor_>oh, that reminds me, mmusic french translation ?
01:21<Chutt>oh, yeah
01:21<Chutt>i was going to do that today, then got distracted
01:22<Chutt>i'll do it tomorrow
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02:18<return0>I just got things set up a bit
02:19<return0>I can "watch tv" but I can't tune (up and down just brings up an empty box at the bottom)
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02:19<return0>and there are some various other things
02:20<return0>I had xawtv scan for channels and it got all the ones that can be tuned as ???
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02:32<mchou>Chutt, am I supposed to get subscribe confirmation almost immediately for myth-dev list, or does it take a while?
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02:50<return0>so any ideas why I cant tune with "watch tv"?
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03:03<ofer>can anybody point me to documentation on setting up myth to encode in mpeg2?
03:03<ofer>via software?
03:03<ofer>i have an epia but no hardware mpeg2 encoder
03:05<return0>everyone's like asleep or something
03:05<ofer>you arent! =)
03:05<return0>but I just have questions like you
03:05<return0>not answers :P
03:06<ofer>what are your questions?
03:07<return0>I can't tune for some reason
03:07<return0>when using 'watch tv'
03:07<ofer>i. e. it wont display anything?
03:07<ofer>or you cant change the channel?
03:07<return0>it starts on the channel I last tuned with xawtv
03:08<return0>but then when I press up and down it doesn't do anything
03:08<thor_>no channels in your database
03:08<return0>but... the guide has all the channels
03:08<return0>and it's populated.
03:08<ofer>did you accidently set an external program to change the channel?
03:08<ofer>what card do you have?
03:09<return0>bttv card=34 :P
03:09<return0>it's a winfast something or other
03:09<thor_>in ./setup you mapped a channel source to the tuner input on the bt card ... ?
03:09<return0>I didn't compile the source
03:09<return0>I'm using a deb package
03:09<thor_>or mythsetup ... I think thats what Debian packages call it
03:10<return0>ah yes
03:10<return0>yeah I mapped it
03:10<thor_>you wouldn't want to check that just one more time (carefully) ?
03:11<return0>doing so
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03:12<ofer>thor: do you know how to configure myth for software mpeg2 encoding?
03:12<thor_>post recording transcoding ?
03:12<ofer>thor: i was hoping live recording etc. etc.
03:12<thor_>or straight encoding on a bt8** ?
03:12<return0>you're a genius
03:13<return0>it was mapped to the wrong one :P
03:13<thor_>send money to the EFF
03:13<ofer>thor: straight bt8**
03:13<thor_>ofer, one sec
03:14<thor_>sorry, uhm ... you want to do realtime encoding off a bt878 to mpeg2 ?
03:15<ofer>i can do it to mpeg4, why not mpeg2 ? =)
03:15<thor_>it's a compression thing
03:15<thor_>lots of work to do 30 times a second :-)
03:15<ofer>the second question is how do i invoke a via epia's mpeg 2 decoder
03:15<ofer>yeah, mpeg4 is (theoretically) more processor intensive in encoding than mpeg2
03:15<ofer>or at least thats my impression
03:16<thor_>well, "mpeg2" and "mpeg4" are fairly loose categories .... I suspect you just want something realtime that you can watch on other OS's, no ?
03:17<ofer>i want to use the epias mpeg2 decoder
03:17<thor_>I'm not going to be much help to you there ...
03:17<ofer>so i need to be able to have mythtv encode into mpeg2 so it can decode that mpeg2 on the epia
03:17<thor_>try -dev, or wait for someone who knows about epia's to show up
03:17<ofer>ok =)
03:17<thor_>myth don't encode to mpeg2
03:18<thor_>at least, not realtime
03:18<ofer>theres no modules or anything to add more than just the rtjpeg and mpeg4?
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03:18<thor_>not realtime
03:18<ofer>somebody should make a mythtv clone that uses gstreamer =)
03:19<thor_>looking forward to your patches
03:19<ofer>somehow i think that woudl be a complete overhaul
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06:08<return0>how do you stop a scheduled recording that hasn't finished yet?
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07:57<Desiac>can anyone suggest another program to setup the tuner, i've tried xawtv but i keep getting a segmentation fault, tried removeing and reinstalling, each time same error, any suggestions would be greatly appreicated
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09:25<pahli_bar>Desiac: tvtime
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09:55<Desiac>pahli_bar: thanks mate :)
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10:24<warlord>Chutt: I'm here now. I can test that if you want.
10:40<o_cee\afk>pahli_bar: did you try out that fade effect? :)
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10:41<pahli_bar>not yet
10:41<o_cee>you might want to try brightness->up->back instead of fade to white..
10:43<pahli_bar>fading to white is easy. not so easy to change brightness.
10:44<pahli_bar>or at least for me...
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10:47<o_cee>okay, do it fade to white then :)
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11:40<warlord>Chutt: I just finished reading my email and noticed you committed the test code. I'll get to testing it this afternoon. Thanks!
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12:14<G-funk|laptop>quick question: when i update cvs, should i do a make clean too?
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12:15<G-funk|laptop>or should i just do the ./configure, qmake, make and make install?
12:16<sfr>G-funk|laptop: depends on the changes. sometimes make distclean is required.
12:16<G-funk|laptop>sfr, oh, how can i find out?
12:17<Chutt>the commits list
12:17<G-funk|laptop>ok, i looked at that
12:17<G-funk|laptop>is it make clean distclean or just make distclean?
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12:18<pahli_bar>make distclean includes make clean
12:18<sfr>G-funk|laptop: or simply add a make distclean in your build script
12:18<G-funk|laptop>ok, thanks
12:18<G-funk|laptop>heh, my "build script"
12:19<G-funk|laptop>sorry about the stupid questions, been using linux a long time but don't compile much from source anymore, myth is beautiful though
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12:21<G-funk|laptop>one more question: is there anything i can do to get rid of the dang prebuffering pauses? this might be a question for the ivtv guys i guess
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12:22<sfr>reduce the resolution or get a faster computer. using a h/w mpeg encoder card also helps
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12:23<G-funk|laptop>i have 2 pvr-250's
12:27<Chutt>pahli_bar, hey, are you meaning for the thumbnails to be slightly zoomed in?
12:28<pahli_bar>Chutt: hmm. wasn't planning that. any thoughts?
12:28<Chutt>no, they are
12:28<Chutt>edges are cut off
12:28<pahli_bar>that was intentional.
12:28<Chutt>ah, ok
12:29<pahli_bar>to make vertical and horizontal images look same
12:29<Chutt>that's all i was wondering
12:31<G-funk|laptop>should i use # or not before the channel in xmltv if i don't want the channel?
12:31<G-funk|laptop>it says not in the file but # in mythtv doc
12:31<Chutt>do what it says in the file.
12:31<G-funk|laptop>last question, then i'll be out of your hair
12:31<G-funk|laptop>ok, thanks, that's what i did
12:31<pahli_bar>G-funk|laptop: same effect. with not xmltv won't complain
12:50<warlord>Chutt: FYI, the PiP code doesn't work, and it locks up the frontend key input.
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13:00<bdunn13>Quick question: Is there a better card for myth than the
13:00<bdunn13>crap.. than the Happauge 250
13:01<warlord>yea, the Hauppauge PVR-350.. Gives you tv-out. Nice picture..
13:03<bdunn13>I just had a friend a while back tell me there were driver issues with the 350.. so I guess those have been ironed out now.. thx
13:03<tmk>some issues remain
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13:03<tmk>but watching pre-recorded shows works fine
13:03<tmk>live tv (using the live-tv button) can cause issues
13:03<tmk>and the epg can cause issues
13:03<tmk>otherwise it's fine afaik
13:03<bdunn13>k.. thanks for the info
13:12<Chutt>warlord, does it do anything at all?
13:13<Chutt>ah, ya know, it's probably trying to use the decoder again
13:13<warlord>Chutt: nothing visibly...
13:13<warlord>(except hanging the UI interface).
13:13<warlord>The existing video continues to work just fine.
13:15<Chutt>yeah, it's probably trying to use the decoder again
13:15<Chutt>i just threw that code together last night, though =)
13:15<warlord>yea... i was surprised it came so quickly. ;)
13:16<Chutt>i'd been putting off doing pvr-350 stuff because i didn't want to interfere with dave's patch
13:16<warlord>fair enough...
13:18<warlord>let me know if you'd like any more info from me, or have another pathc
13:19<Chutt>i'll take a look later today
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13:27<tmk>Chutt: have you tried the page-flipping thing since you put in the option to use fewer buffers?
13:27<tmk>for the osd
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14:53<Snow-Man>Anyone know this 'Ulmo' guy?
14:53<Chutt>regarding what?
14:54<Snow-Man>I dunno, he uses dyndns and it took a while to get mail to him and then all of a sudden it all went through and then a post went to -dev very shortly.
14:54<Snow-Man>"Things that make you go hmm"
14:55<Snow-Man>And the message he sent to the list showed up funny in the archive.
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14:56<thor_>he's alsoo CC'ing himslef
14:56<Snow-Man>Did it show up sensibly in people's mail?
14:57<Snow-Man>I guess it's not a spam thing, but, well, weird. :)
14:57<thor_>no, it's a patch
14:57<Chutt>mr. security weenie himself complaning of someone signing their messages? :p
14:58<Snow-Man>Chutt: No, just didn't actually see the message so was wondering if it was spam. :P
14:58<Snow-Man>Like, if a spammer had subscribed and set up a repost or something.
14:58<Snow-Man>blah, afk.
14:59<warlord>mr. security weenie???
14:59<warlord>feels weird to be in a crowd where *I* don't have that title.. ;)
14:59<Chutt>snowman's not as bad as others, but =)
15:00<thor_>better than Mr. Weenie !
15:00<warlord>"Oscar Meyer"?
15:06<hardwired>a football in the nuts?
15:08<bitbyte>my balogna has a first name
15:08<bitbyte>it's o-s-c-a-r
15:08<bitbyte>my balogna has a second name
15:08<bitbyte>it's m-a-y-e-r
15:08<bitbyte>ohhhh I love ot eat it everyday
15:08<kvandivo>i _so_ held myself back from doing that about 8 minutes ago..
15:08<bitbyte>and if you ask me why i'll saaaay
15:09<bitbyte>cuz Oscar Myer has a way with bologna
15:09<bitbyte>cuz Oscar Myer has a way with b-o-o-g-n-a
15:09<bitbyte>i screwed it up
15:09<o_cee>stop saying oscar, my irc-client blinks :)
15:10<bitbyte>is yer name 0sc4r?
15:10<sfr>you mean oscar?
15:10<bitbyte>sup sfr?
15:10<bitbyte>how goes it?
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15:15<hardwired>this isp is getting worse
15:16<hardwired>2MBit for peanuts, but since they upgraded the bw they have issues
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15:24<warlord>they clearly just moved the location of the network-straw
15:26<HenkPoley>Chutt: do you have a MHz to 'channel value + tweak' calculator?
15:26<Chutt>why would i?
15:26<HenkPoley>I'm not really into that
15:26<HenkPoley>Well support and such
15:26<HenkPoley>Mythtv does do the reverse calculation
15:26<Chutt>i have absolutely no need of such a tool.
15:26<HenkPoley>so I need to tell mythtv what it want to knjow
15:27<Chutt>so why would i write one?
15:27<HenkPoley>I guess it would be simple for you, but well I know your opinion, thank yoy
15:35<Chutt>warlord, found one problem with the pip stuff
15:35<Chutt>not working yet, though
15:35<warlord>I've got about 2h20 until my next scheduled recording.
15:36<warlord>and then about 2 hours after that.
15:38<Chutt>oh, geez, i think i just found the other bug
15:38<Chutt>stupid thing
15:40<Chutt>warlord, i got it displaying garbage now =)
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15:46<Chutt>looks like the alpha's off
15:47<warlord>Mmmm.. Garbage...
15:47*warlord has faith in you..
15:52<Chutt>i really should spend some time and learn mmx a little better
15:52<kvandivo>na.. if you did that you wouldn't be able to complain about not knowing it..
15:54<warlord>Hmm, audio mute doesn't work out the -350
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15:55<Chutt>volume doesn't work at all
15:55<Chutt>there isn't anything in the driver yet to control the audio
15:55<warlord>Ahh.. ok.
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16:02<Snow-Man>delay=00:00:55, delay=00:00:56, delay=00:01:21, delay=00:01:22, delay=00:01:36, delay=00:01:38
16:02<Snow-Man>Not too shabby. :)
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16:05<hardwired>HenkPoley: mhz to channel+tweak is dependend on your location
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16:05<Netslayer>i love the new visorosd in the screenshots but where do I get it? I have visor installed, but there is just blueosd/defaultosd
16:06<HenkPoley>yeah, I know but mythtv knows all the tables
16:06<hardwired>Netslayer: did you hear of google yet?
16:07<Netslayer>oh the theme was i already had it just an older ver
16:07<HenkPoley>even weirder (IMHO, but american wise it is not), why not store the MHz value in the db, the card needs it that way, so...
16:07<hardwired>HenkPoley: mythtv knows all the different tables, such as pal-europe-west, europe-east?
16:08<HenkPoley>I'll find it on the mailinglist, some ref to CVS
16:08<hardwired>didn't know that. up to now i planned to use that perl module on the ivtv website to get the channel name table for my area
16:09<HenkPoley>frequency translation table, 'something' to MHz
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16:10<Netslayer>:-/ can someone tell me how to get this osd working? I have the latest visor installed but still only see blueosd/defaultosd in the playback properties:
16:11<hardwired>HenkPoley-afk: ah. interesting.
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16:17<thor_>nipple, muvs, whatever
16:18<Snow-Man>No one cares. :(
16:19<kvandivo>presumably it is assumed that we will know what they are talking about
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16:22<HenkPoley-afk>sorry I'm back
16:22<HenkPoley-afk>running between mythtv and pc
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16:22<HenkPoley>now trying to find out how to setup sshd as deamon under gentoo
16:23<hardwired>uh, it should already be
16:23<HenkPoley>well, it is now
16:23<HenkPoley>at least, it doesn't autostart
16:23<hardwired>HenkPoley: rc-update add default sshd
16:23<hardwired>or add sshd default
16:23<HenkPoley>...unless my router has an X login, and I mistanly entered it's IP :-P
16:24<HenkPoley>hardwired: is it allright that starting 'sshd' from commandline fails with all kinds of errors about opening keys etc. ?
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16:24<HenkPoley>trying to start it as root btw
16:25<hardwired>probably... it needs to generate server keys and if they are not present it will complain
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16:25<HenkPoley>should I use ssh-keygen or something>
16:25<hardwired>you should start it with /etc/init.d/sshd start
16:26<hardwired>instead of just sshd
16:26<HenkPoley>kay, I'll go trying that
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16:27<hardwired>i just shut down my myth box so i have no way to doublecheck
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16:28<hardwired>ok, gotta go
16:28<hardwired>if the above doesn't work, do something like this:
16:28<hardwired>/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -t rsa -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key -N ''
16:29<HenkPoley>the /etc/init.d/sshd start worked
16:29<HenkPoley>rc-update not...
16:29<hardwired>ah, then it does that automatically when there are no keys
16:29<HenkPoley>there isn't even a manpage of rc-update :-/
16:29<hardwired>ls /etc/runlevels/default
16:29<hardwired>is sshd in there?
16:29<hardwired>or runlevel without s
16:30*hardwired doesn't use gentoo very often
16:30<hardwired>rc-update add sshd default
16:30<hardwired>that's the exact command
16:30<HenkPoley>yay logged in, trying now
16:31<hardwired>anyway, got to go. laters
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16:33<kvandivo>luckily the blind step up to bat and accurately describe muv files
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16:47<Chutt>with the ivtv output didn't look like shit at lower resolutions
16:48*Matt suspect lame needs upgrading
16:49<Matt>keeps freezing (at random) while watching livetv
16:50<Matt>oh well, I have a strange pc, that's in need of dragging up to date
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16:59<tmk>Chutt: i eagerly await your patch!
17:00<tmk>actually there have been quite a few patches out lately that claim to improve low-res captures
17:03<pahli_bar>Chutt: want a mythgallery screenshot with "real" images?
17:03<Chutt>using blue
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17:04<pahli_bar>ok. will mail you one
17:04<Chutt>great =)
17:04<warlord>tmk: i should have a new cable tomorrow..
17:06<Chutt>warlord, one more test, then i'm committing working pip stuff
17:06<warlord>Chutt: cool. then I'll test it for ya!
17:06<Chutt>i had to bump the capture resolution up to 320x240, though
17:06<Chutt>for the pip window
17:07<Chutt>so it's scaling down in software now
17:07<warlord>Oh, I thought it was always scaling down in software....
17:08<jbeimler>question on my box. I'm having trouble w/ audio being shifted, using a PVR179. if I mplayer /dev/video0 I don't get the lag, but I do inside mythtv. any suggestions on whats going wrong?
17:08<warlord>(sort of like the preview video)
17:08<Chutt>it was only for dvb and hdtv pips
17:08<Chutt>others, it was just recording at tiny low resolutions =)
17:09<Chutt>actually, the pip window is probably being captured at normal bitrate
17:09<warlord>anyways, let me know when you want me to test it..
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17:09<tmk>8mbit/sec for a postage stamp
17:09<Chutt>tmk, no, default in mythtv is 4.5/6
17:10<tmk>for what resolution?
17:10<tmk>i use full-res
17:10<warlord>so do i, 720x480..
17:10<tmk>it's deliciouser
17:10<warlord>I think I turned livetv down to 5.5/8
17:10<thor_>deliciousest, I think
17:11<warlord>350 output is reallly reallllllllly nice
17:11<Chutt>i can't see a difference between 480x480 and 720x480
17:11<Chutt>except on tiny text
17:13<tmk>i can.. it's more blotchy
17:13<tmk>i switched between the antenna feed and the pvr box
17:13<tmk>really can't tell at 720x480
17:13<tmk>480x480 there was a difference
17:14<Chutt>err, there
17:14<Chutt>pip works in cvs for the pvr-350 now
17:14<Chutt>it's not all that slow, either
17:15<warlord>cool, let me pull it down..
17:15<warlord>Hmm, why do I get this: cvs update: cannot open directory /var/lib/mythcvs/mythtv/libs/libdvbdev: No such file or directory
17:16<warlord>(also for libvbitext)
17:17<Chutt>because i moved stuff around and cvs doesn't handle directory moves very well
17:18<Chutt>you can just delete those two dirs out of your checkout
17:20<warlord>Cool, it works..
17:20<warlord>Except it doesn't go away when I turn it off...
17:20<Chutt>oh, i didn't test that
17:20<warlord>oops... :)
17:24<Chutt>one sec
17:26<Chutt>slow machine =)
17:30<Chutt>there, fixed
17:31<Chutt>pip would've been done a _lot_ sooner today if i didn't have to keep running out to the living room to turn on pip mode
17:32<warlord>pulling it down...
17:32<warlord>I can even build stuff while playing tv without skipping!
17:32<warlord>so cool
17:32<Chutt>try that on my epia-m
17:32<Chutt>no worky :p
17:32<warlord>why do you think I bought an athlon-xp 2600+?
17:33<warlord>I'll test it next commercial.. (watching Angel)
17:33<Chutt>just a one liner
17:36<warlord>wife will be happy
17:36<warlord>thank you
17:37<Chutt>like i said, i've just been waiting for dave's stuff to get in =)
17:38<warlord>do you have a (public) list of things on your To-do list?
17:39<Chutt>there's a rough one i posted to the -dev list earlier this month
17:43<kvandivo>are you looking for things to do, warlord?
17:44<warlord>Not particularly
17:46<Chutt>want to get menu plugins done next
17:46<Chutt>well, i'll do the two little pvr-350/epg things i mentioned
17:47<Chutt>pahli_bar, just updated the website with that image
17:47<warlord>kvandivo: I'm busy hacking on GnuCash right now..
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17:51<kvandivo>hack it to give me more money each time it access my online bank... that'd be a useful hack..
17:53<warlord>hehe -- send me a patch to do that and I'll include it.
17:54<kvandivo>busy right now writing a proposal... i'll try to get to that next week
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18:00<tmk>Chutt: when you get a free moment, could you comment on the project i proposed on the ivtv list? (to the list)
18:02<Chutt>the direct mode live tv?
18:03<Chutt>doesn't fit in with the way things work at all in mythtv
18:04<HenkPoley>Just found a (hopefully) complete copy of the non-US FAQ on :-)
18:07<tmk>Chutt: yeah i know
18:07<tmk>but neither did david's patch really
18:07<Chutt>sure it did
18:07<tmk>had to switch the ff stuff out
18:07<Chutt>the slow motion / fast forwarding code was already in mythtv
18:07<Chutt>for software encoded stuff
18:08<Chutt>his patch was really pretty minor
18:08<tmk>hm ok
18:08<Chutt>just changed how it talked to the driver
18:08<tmk>does the ringbuffer have a GOP list
18:08<Chutt>no architectural changes :p
18:08<Chutt>well, not the ringbuffer itself
18:09<tmk>but a table for the ringbuffer
18:09<Chutt>if someone wanted a direct-view tv mode
18:09<Chutt>that could probably be done with a separate player class
18:09<Chutt>and could conceivably be controlled with the same higher level code, etc
18:11<Chutt>bah, why's it going to take dell 2 weeks to put together my laptop
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18:12<bline>because their staff consists of high school/college students
18:12<Netslayer>in india
18:12<krash314>Chutt: when i bought my last laptop, took 20 days before they shipped it i believe
18:12<bline>in austin actually
18:13<Netslayer>at least i got a new dell lcd after mine developed particles
18:13<Chutt>well, it's my wife's laptop, not mine
18:13<Chutt>but i still want it
18:14<krash314>insp. or lat.?
18:14<Netslayer>nice, my cousin has that one
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18:14<Netslayer>very light
18:14<Chutt>wanted small, but not too small
18:15<krash314>i opted for the lat. just to get both mouse ctrls
18:15<krash314>$500 for damn tiny piece of rubber in the keyboard :)
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18:16<Netslayer>get this my webhost just went offline 3 days ago, no notices or emails, nothing. Just noticed the owner bought a new domain and is setting up a new site right now there. and i have no way of contacting them :-/
18:16<Chutt>none of their laptops have those now
18:16<Chutt>think everyone decided to stop paying for ibm's patents on it
18:16<Netslayer>ya i think my ins4150 was one of the last models with that..still useless really
18:16<krash314>i don't what i'll do if i ever have to upgrade. go back to ibm i guess
18:17<Chutt>i was rather pissed :p
18:17<Chutt>hate the touchpads
18:17<krash314>course ibm will cost a premium
18:17<Chutt>ah well, i'm outta here
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18:20<Netslayer>is it illegal to have fake information when registering a domain? my webhost has a fake phone number
18:21<krash314>Netslayer: don't know, none of the registrars know how to use the phone anyway except netsol and you pay a premium for that
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18:24<Netslayer>not even the email address works
18:24<Netslayer>was, .. the guy now owns
18:25<krash314>need a new one?
18:25<Netslayer>i was happy, i had a longtime customer price rate of a buck for 1GB of space
18:25<krash314>can recommend one i've been using since 96 and the rates have never increased :)
18:26<krash314>look at their shared accounts
18:26<krash314>they have dedicated also but shared just means that you share a box with a bunch of others
18:26<thor_>Chutt, fujitsu
18:27<Netslayer>kind of pricey for the service
18:27<krash314>Netslayer: not the cheapest but I have had one outtage of about an hour once when they moved to new facilities
18:27<warlord>Chutt: I'm with you; I hate touchpads, too..
18:28<krash314>they have have redundant peer-points to every major network in the country
18:28<sfr>statistic shows 2 out of 3 mythtv users hate touchpads. interesting.
18:29<krash314>is the touch pad the one with the stick or the thing you slide your finger over
18:29*pahli_bar is glad to be in the minority
18:29<Netslayer>ah it's a personal site, don't expect much out of a hosting company
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18:30<sfr>krash314: not sure where you slide your finger over, but it's also possible on a touchpad :)
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18:30*krash314 hates those too :)
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18:39<Chutt>thor, their current laptops don't have em, either
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18:40<sfr>compaq? mine does have one
18:42<Chutt>all the more recent models of everyone's laptops don't have nipple mice, except for ibm
18:42<sfr>that sucks
18:42<Chutt>i might have missed a manufaturer, but i believe i checked all the majors
18:43<krash314>Chutt: I got my dell back in november and it had it
18:43<pahli_bar>i hate those damn things
18:43<thor_>fujitsu, fujitsu, fujitsu
18:43<Chutt>thor, none of em :p
18:43<Chutt>krash314, check the pictures =)
18:43<pahli_bar>i guess it all depends on what you started off with when you first used a laptop
18:44<sfr>my first laptop had a touchpad
18:45<thor_>but it's a Crusoe
18:45<krash314>Chutt the latitudes still have them. just looked
18:45<krash314>they actually have both
18:45<Chutt>ah well, didn't see em
18:46<Chutt>thor, _real_ laptops :p
18:46<thor_>you said light, that is friggin light
18:46<Chutt>not too small
18:46<krash314>that is why i spent the extra money for the latitude :(
18:46<Chutt>that's only a 12" widescreen
18:46<Chutt>9", rather
18:47<Chutt>wife didn't like any of the larger widescreen displays, either
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18:47<thor_>only laptop that is actually useable on a tray table in economy
18:47<pahli_bar>latitudes are real nice. i have never seen a crisper lcd panel
18:47<Chutt>know a guy that has one of those fujitsus
18:48<krash314>i like mine
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18:48<thor_>I've got one, it's absolutely great (for what it is)
18:48<Chutt>ah well, my wife'll be happy with the dell
18:49<Chutt>her previous laptop was an old toshiba celery 400
18:49<krash314>Chutt: and so will you, right?
18:49<Chutt>i won't be using it, mostly
18:49<thor_>just fixing it
18:50<krash314>maybe you should have gotten something she wouldn't like so much :)
18:53<mchou>Chutt, I tried to subscrib to -dev, but I get mail back from myth-dev-bounces saying "invalid confirmation string," tried twice now. Yet I can log in to "mailman" and change my profile. Is this something that is going to prevent me on posting on -dev?
18:55<hatlevip_>hmmmm, anyone know why i don't have the metadata.sql after checking out mythmusic?
18:56<thor_>'cause you don't need it
18:56<hatlevip_>how do i update the db then?
18:56<thor_>it'll update the database for you automagically
18:56<hatlevip_>really? ok then, nm
19:00<hatlevip_>hmmm, how do i list all the databases in mysql?
19:01<pahli_bar>show databases;
19:02<hatlevip_>so mythmusic made the mysql database?
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19:04<G-funk|laptop>oops, sorry
19:05<G-funk|laptop>are there any other status things like the stuff on :6544?
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19:41<ChamPro>YEAH! 0.13 is in the stable for gentoo now
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21:06<kvandivo>chutt: regarding a releases. I'd like to get the ranking stuff in before then if we can. I've been insanely busy at work (and will be until monday) so I haven't said anything about it
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22:03<shorawitz>anyone spending attention here?
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22:06<shorawitz>how about paying attention?
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22:21<ChamPro>what do you need?
22:23<shorawitz>I have something to report and get opinions
22:23<shorawitz>I've been pinging between ivtv list and myth...
22:23<shorawitz>trying to get tv-out on pvr-350...
22:24<shorawitz>and I've taken some advice from some on the list....
22:24<thor_>More people should wear hats
22:24<shorawitz>here's the scenario
22:24<shorawitz>fire up box, nothing ivtv/myth related loads...
22:24<ChamPro>thor_: only if they have bad hair
22:24<ChamPro>shorawitz: shoot
22:24<shorawitz>modprobe ivtv-fb
22:25<shorawitz>then on another host, open a term to pvr and start backend as mythtv user...
22:25<shorawitz>another term to start frontend
22:25<shorawitz>for frontend, I set DISPLAY=<tv-out> desktop
22:26<shorawitz>so menu's load on X desktop and TV runs on TV-out
22:26<shorawitz>all works great
22:26<shorawitz>EPG work, pause, ff, rw everything
22:26<shorawitz>but if I try to run frontend on tv-out, first time I hist "m", host box freezes
22:27<thor_>.... and your ivtv version is .... (where's tmk?)
22:27<shorawitz>so it seems to work if I don't run frontend on tv-out, but hangs if I do
22:27<shorawitz>pulled from cvs this morning
22:27<shorawitz>along w/myth
22:27<thor_>.19 ?
22:28<thor_>hmmm ... try #ivtv-dev ? or wait for tmk to show up here ...
22:28<ChamPro>it's up to 0.19?
22:28<shorawitz>some started a thread on the list that suggested something in myth might be causing the prob, but then the thread just stopped
22:29<fulbert>I can toss in a report that when running with 21288 firmware, my 250 cards and the 0.1.9 ivtv will not work.
22:29<fulbert>if I revert back to older ivtv code (11/03) it works, or if I stay with 0.1.9 and go back a firmware version, it works.
22:29<shorawitz>hum, I didn't think to try a diff rev of firmware
22:30<fulbert>I get a full encoder crash with the 21288 firmware.
22:31<fulbert>21226 which is I guess release 17 works fine though.
22:31<fulbert>mind you I am not using the 350 and tv out on it, but maybe the 0.1.9 has issues in general with that firmware code
22:32<shorawitz>I am obviously
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22:33<shorawitz>I'm so spoiled byt he picture of the pvr, that I really don't want to go back to the NVIDIA tv-out
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22:34<thor_>speak of th devil
22:35<shorawitz>pisser is, I had the damn thing working except I tried to get the tv on the NVIDIA card working so I could get a console without the pvr-350 and I messed it all up
22:35<bline>devil man
22:36<shorawitz><- grabs his crucifix
22:39<shorawitz>did I get bumped? Isn't this the religion channle?
22:40*ChamPro is stuck in Purgatory
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22:42<shorawitz>let's not all talk at once
22:43*DJ_Rican didn't say anything...
22:43<shorawitz>you should though
22:45<DJ_Rican>well, if anyone can help me with my lirc prob...
22:46<DJ_Rican>i would... :)
22:46<shorawitz>you too?
22:48<cbreen>the folliwng is quoted from ivtv mail archive:
22:48<cbreen>"This is the intended behaviour, the X screen is larger than the tv
22:48<cbreen>screen, so you won't see the edges. Every tv does that. To be able to
22:48<cbreen>see all the menus you'll have to set the geometry of the myth gui to
22:48<cbreen>something smaller than 720x480 (about 696x440) with the according
22:48<cbreen>offsets to center the gui. Play with the settings in the appearance
22:48<cbreen>setup screen.
22:48<cbreen>where in myth can I set that geomery 696x440?
22:50<thor_>Settings --> Appearance
22:58<cbreen>right...but in that screen i can't set 696x440...i gotta use the up/down to change width and height
22:59<cbreen>and no matter what i make those values i can' get the thing to fit properly
23:00<cbreen>in other words the numbers for width and height are random numbers...and they seem to be tied so that width dictates height, etc
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23:01<DJ_Rican>i keep getting a connection refuse when trying irw...
23:01<fulbert>is lircd running?
23:01<shorawitz>I have some comments on this one
23:01<shorawitz>shock shock eh?
23:02<shorawitz>when i went to latest CVS I lost native lirc support in myth
23:02<shorawitz>was working on Monday
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23:03<shorawitz>I can get something from irw, but not from native lirc nor irxevent
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23:03<DJ_nixbox>fulbert: [root@media etc]# lsmod |grep lirc
23:03<DJ_nixbox>lirc_serial 9248 0 (unused)
23:03<shorawitz>no remote now :-(
23:03<DJ_nixbox>is that what you mean?
23:04<shorawitz>lirc_i2c 5124 0 (unused)
23:04<shorawitz>lirc_dev 10096 1 [lirc_i2c]
23:05<DJ_nixbox>shora: your trying the pvr remote?
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23:05<DJ_nixbox>i have that one too but ii still couldn't get it to wokr.
23:06<DJ_nixbox>trying the HP cheapo now...
23:06<cbreen>is lircd running? someone on the list had that go out on them
23:06<DJ_nixbox>but i get a connection refused when doing irw
23:07<shorawitz>I even tried running lircd -n and watched it
23:07<DJ_nixbox>lircd? hmm...
23:07<cbreen>ps aux | grep lircd | grep -d lircd
23:07<shorawitz>here's what i get when I start the frontend:
23:07<fulbert>lircd, like /usr/sbin/lircd
23:07<shorawitz>mythtv: could not connect to socket
23:07<shorawitz>mythtv: No such file or directory
23:07<shorawitz>Failed to create lirc socket for mythtv
23:08<DJ_nixbox>root@media etc]# ps aux | grep lircd | grep -d lircd
23:08<DJ_nixbox>grep: unknown directories method
23:08<cbreen>hrm...well this should work
23:08<cbreen>ps aux | grep lircd
23:09<DJ_nixbox>[root@media etc]# ps aux | grep lircd
23:09<DJ_nixbox>root 27117 0.0 0.2 1824 600 pts/2 R 21:10 0:00 grep lircd
23:09<cbreen>DJ its not running
23:09<fulbert>then you don't have it running
23:09<DJ_nixbox>ohh... how do i start it?
23:09<fulbert>it shuold have two procs, something like lircd, and [lirc_dev] depending on your setup.
23:09<cbreen>dj /etc/init.d/lircd -start
23:09<cbreen>if you have it in there
23:10<ChamPro>how do I do this step from the "Installing MythTV"guide: "You may need to manually specify the QTDIR and PATH at the shell prompt before compiling."
23:10<fulbert>or 'service lircd start' if you live in a redhat land
23:10<shorawitz>I start mine manwelly
23:10<DJ_nixbox>[root@media etc]# /etc/init.d/lircd start
23:10<DJ_nixbox>bash: /etc/init.d/lircd: No such file or directory
23:10<cbreen>dj: use locate to find it
23:10<cbreen>locate lircd
23:10<fulbert>are you sure you have it installed?
23:10<DJ_nixbox>locate lircd
23:11<shorawitz>DJ: which remote are you using?
23:11<DJ_nixbox>shora: HP cheapo
23:12<shorawitz>I'm no help then
23:12<DJ_nixbox>i also have the pvr grey remote
23:12<shorawitz>I'm fighting the Hauppauge remote
23:12<shorawitz>that's my dog
23:12<cbreen>i have the gray hauppauge working
23:12<fulbert>as do i
23:12<DJ_nixbox>cbreen: YOU DO????
23:12<DJ_nixbox>[root@media etc]# /usr/local/sbin/lircd -start
23:12<DJ_nixbox>/usr/local/sbin/lircd: invalid option -- s
23:12<shorawitz>ok, wait a min
23:13<cbreen>dj: to start it /usr/local/sbin/lircd
23:13<shorawitz>now I'm odd man out again
23:13<shorawitz>what option do you want DJ?
23:13<cbreen>dj: help /usr/local/sbin/lircd -help
23:13<DJ_nixbox>[root@media etc]# /usr/local/sbin/lircd
23:13<DJ_nixbox>lircd 0.7.0pre1: there seems to already be a lircd process with pid 27124
23:13<DJ_nixbox>lircd 0.7.0pre1: otherwise delete stale lockfile /var/run/
23:13<shorawitz>missing a dash there cbreen
23:13<DJ_nixbox>it says it's running
23:13<shorawitz>lies, all lies
23:14<cbreen>kill the lock file
23:14<shorawitz>I concur
23:14<cbreen>rm /var/run/
23:14<shorawitz>rm --f /var/run/
23:15<DJ_nixbox>ok, lircd started
23:15<shorawitz>now start lircd -n in a sep shell
23:15<shorawitz>so you can see the interaction
23:15<shorawitz>then after it works to your satifaction, start it witout any options
23:15<DJ_nixbox>[root@media etc]# /usr/local/sbin/lircd -n
23:15<DJ_nixbox>lircd 0.7.0pre1: lircd(packard_bell) ready
23:16<DJ_nixbox>:) but it said that before... :)
23:16<cbreen>dj: start irw in a new window
23:16<shorawitz>ok, now try irw, and others that you want to control from remote
23:16<DJ_nixbox>hey it's working!!
23:16<shorawitz>now kill it and start it normal
23:17<DJ_nixbox>cool/... :)
23:17<bline>kill kill kill without mercy
23:17<shorawitz>kill 'em all
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23:19<DJ_nixbox>cool... all buttons work... gotta go eat... be back soon to try it with mythtv
23:19<ChamPro>I can't figure out how to "manually specify the QTDIR and PATH at the shell prompt before compiling." The Mandrake instructions don't work
23:19<shorawitz>when he comes back, I want to know his setup
23:19<ChamPro>I'm using Gentoo
23:19<shorawitz>hum, Mandrake instructions worked for me
23:20<ChamPro>"You should see a value like /usr/lib/qt3 for QTDIR and /usr/lib/qt3/bin should be in $PATH."
23:20<bline>export QTDIR=foo; export PATH=foo;
23:20<ChamPro>those files don't exist
23:21<bline>because gentoo puts it in /usr/qt/3
23:21<bline>the lib dir /usr/qt/3/lib, /usr/qt/3 is the prefix
23:22<ChamPro>so as long as /etc/profile.env has those, it's ok?
23:22<shorawitz>on my Mandrake 9.2: /usr/lib/qt3/
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23:23<bline>well, it would be somewhere in /etc/env.d
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23:23<shorawitz>[root@pvr1 root]# more /etc/profile.d/
23:24<shorawitz># MythTV needs the qt3 lib directory as well as the bin
23:24<shorawitz>export QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3
23:24<shorawitz>export PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/qt3/bin
23:24<shorawitz>[root@pvr1 root]#
23:24<ChamPro> /etc/profile.env has PATH=/usr/qt/3/bin and QTDIR=/usr/qt/3....
23:24<bline>sbeck@magus sbeck $ cat /etc/env.d/45qt3
23:25<bline>this file is part of the qt3 install on gentoo
23:25<bline>it updates many things when you run env-updater
23:26<Chutt>is Brad Allen trying to write a novel on the -dev list or something?
23:26<ChamPro>huh?? I'm a Gentoo n00b... so what do I have to do?
23:26<Chutt>every email of his is huge
23:27<bline>some people like to type long emails heh
23:27<tmk>i don't like those people
23:27<tmk>they make my inbox full
23:28<bline>yeah, i never read those long emails
23:28<Chutt>people that cc me really annoy me, too
23:28<bline>skim looking for things relevent
23:28<ChamPro>bline: sorry... but I didn't understand your instructions. I should do an env-update and then it'll be alllll good?
23:29<ChamPro>which manual? I've been reading the mythTV one to no avail
23:30<bline>well, if you are going to use gentoo, you need to learn things about it
23:30<bline>the information I know did not just pop into my head, I read their manuals
23:31<tmk>does current cvs kill one''s database of scheduledrecordings perchance?
23:31<tmk>it says i have none now
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23:35<tmk>erm they are still in teh database
23:36<tmk>but don't show up in the 'fix scheduling conflicts' tab
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23:41<shorawitz>what is the recommended nvidia driver these days?
23:43<fulbert>5328 on a ti 4200 does not seem to work well for me
23:43<fulbert>I went back to 4620 and it's better.
23:45<ChamPro>gah.... now I'm trying to initialize MySQL... I'm on the last command "/usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'new-password'" which it won't let me do
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23:45<ChamPro> /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
23:45<shorawitz>I don't see a 4620 on nvidia website
23:45<ChamPro>error: 'Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO)'
23:45<shorawitz>Version: 1.0-5328, 1.0-4496, 1.0-4363
23:46<cbreen> gotta setup a password for root
23:46<ChamPro>I already did with "/usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root -h nebosuke password 'new-password'"
23:47<tmk>chutt: is there a bug with resolve scheduling conflicts in recent cvs
23:47<cbreen>search for that error message on gentoo forums...i think thats how i resolved it
23:51<ChamPro>okay.... mysql -u root -p is showing that I already have a working password
23:52<ChamPro>ah.... it's an error in the documentation
23:53<ChamPro>the context should be /usr/bin/mysqladmin -p -u root password 'newpassword'
23:53<cbreen>cham...yeah its subtle
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