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---Logopened Fri Jan 30 00:00:12 2004
00:02<Rince>Hmm, can anyone tell me what (in the recorded-video-display) the dollar-sign with the crossed red band means? that there is no commercial found?
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00:05<thor_>has been flagged for commercials
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00:10<Rince>I really have to learn more about the lird... ,-) I want to be able to skip without keyboad ;-)
00:11<thor_>you can hit 1 in Watch Recordings to find out what the icons mean
00:22<overridex>thor_: got it working
00:22<thor_>cool ... some missing argument or something ?
00:24<overridex>hehe nope, it actually was running as root
00:24<overridex>and the script used the 'rc' command without the full path
00:24<overridex>and gentoo has a command called rc to change runlevels apparently
00:24<overridex>so it was using that /sbin/rc instead of the lirc one when run as root
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00:31<ShockValue>hi all.. where can i find a complete list of commands for the lircrc file for mythtv? ive been surfin around the web, but all i can find are pre-made examples with are a mish mash of differnt functions
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00:32<cmorgan>in keys.txt in the mythtv source directory
00:32<cmorgan>good thing i read 25% of that ;-)
00:32<cmorgan>not sure on the lircrc interface stuff
00:33<Aridhol>I've been following this guide and all seems to go well except up to the capture test. I always get an input/output error even after rmmod'ing the driver and reloading
00:34<thor_>do an irrecord, and get a name for each button on your remote, then figure out how you want to map those to keyboard presses in irxevent ... it is not rocket science
00:35<ShockValue>yes, ive done the irrecord.. i have lirc working fine.. i just dont know the whole list i have to work with in myth
00:35<thor_>see cmorgan, re: keys.txt
00:35<ShockValue>i think keys.txt should be a good enough example that i can figure it out though
00:35<thor_>or fire up mythweb
00:35<thor_>where you can map actions to any _keyboard_ key you like
00:36<thor_>Aridhol, could be a bazillion things ....
00:37<Aridhol>it was working last night but I rebooted and now it doesn't want to co-operate. The device shows in lspci properly and modprobing returns no errors
00:37<Aridhol>I am doing the cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg as root
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00:38<Aridhol>yeah pvr250
00:38<thor_>ivtv 0.19 ?
00:38<Aridhol>kernel 2.4.22
00:38<thor_>correct firmware for 0.19?
00:39<Aridhol>I believe so, it was working last night. I capture 2 shows
00:39<Aridhol>err captured
00:39<thor_>dunno, could be firmware, could be your BIOS likes to move interrupts around on boot ... could be lots of things
00:39<Aridhol>I had the same error earlier and I had to remove and reload and it worked
00:41<thor_>you didn't build/install a kernel in between? (ie. right saa7whatever module still in place ?)
00:44<Aridhol>no I don't remember redoing my kernel but I need to add vfat support anyways so I'll redo iy
00:45<ShockValue>somethign else ive been wondering. Occasionally, while watching TV in myth, during high frame movement (like a fast camera pan) i get a bit of stutter. What do you think is my bottleneck? (PVR250, 700Mhz, 640MB ram, GeForce2/32) . need to figure out whats most in need of upgrade to get rid of that issue.
00:47<thor_>is the stutter _in_ the video, or just in playback
00:48<ShockValue>hrm, good question
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00:48<ShockValue>ill go pop on the TV and see if i can discern
00:55<ShockValue>hrm.. how rude.. seems the ebuild for mythtv in gentoo doesnt inclue lircrc.example
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01:07<plac3bo>anyone have experience w/multiple tuners? is it pretty stable?
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01:17<Captain_Murdoch_>lots of people have multiple tuners. some on the same machine, some spread over several machines. I have 4 myself (1 using software encoding in the master backend and 3 AVerMedia M179 cards in another machine). no stability problems here.
01:21<plac3bo>cool, im thinking about adding another pvr250, but this thread;search_string=dual%20tuners;guest=2180536&t=search_engine#92417 said there were a few problems...wasnt sure if this or other things were still an issue
01:23<Captain_Murdoch_>that guy's talking about having 2 different sources on his two tuners. that's not a stability issue.
01:24<Chutt>blah blah blah
01:24<ofer>my pvr250 crashes my epia m relativly often
01:24<ofer>doesnt crash on my pIII 866, does have a funky audio problem when recording every once and a while
01:25<ofer>i think ill just get a more powerful cpu and record in mpeg4
01:25<Rince>it dies?
01:25<Rince>it does? How?
01:25<ofer>probably ivtv problem
01:25<Rince>I have an epia M2 with a 350
01:25<Rince>works like a charm
01:25<Chutt>ivtv problems
01:26<Chutt>via chipsets =)
01:26<ofer>this is an epia 933
01:26<ofer>yeah,, i hate this via, im happy im only borrowing it from work to see how well it works =)
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01:26<Chutt>i've been seriously pondering replacing my epia-m with one of those ultra cheap dell servers
01:26<Rince>well - okay, I have it "only" two weeks now, but it works quite lovely
01:27<ofer>i like how quiet the epia is
01:27<Chutt>mine's not quiet enough
01:27<thor_>mine is :-)
01:27*Rince wants to replace the fan with a passive cooling system, then it _is_ quiet
01:27<ofer>my 866 is like a jet
01:28<ofer>but im thinking, i should just put the pvr 250 in my router
01:28<thor_>and powerful enough to calculate pi to 6 digits
01:28<Rince>question: does anyone here uses a 350 with TV-Out? do you use xine for dvd-watching? how? ;)
01:28<thor_>hmmmm pie
01:28<ShockValue>i manage to hammer my /home/mythtv/lircrc file into non-workingness :)
01:28*ShockValue thinks programming remotes + vodka is a bad plan
01:29<thor_>more vodka, less programming
01:29<ShockValue>gotta work late tomorrow...
01:29<Rince>ShockValue: sounds like fun ;-)
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01:29<overridex>hi guys... something i was wondering
01:29<Rince>overridex: shoot
01:29<Chutt>i suppose i should apply patches or something
01:29<ofer>anybody using a pvr with the dshow mythtv filters?
01:30<ShockValue>what is wrong with this lineL
01:30<ShockValue> prog = mythtv
01:30<ShockValue> button = 9
01:30<ShockValue> config = Key 9 CurrentWindow
01:30<Rince>ofer: not yt
01:30<overridex>now that i changed my video input, and the prefix on my recordings has changing to 70 (used to be 50) will it still remember what shows it's recorded and not re-record them, even those the chanid isn't the same?
01:30<overridex>i guess the channel doesn't really matter does it?
01:31<thor_>ShockValue, you want prog=mythtv, or prog=irxevent ?
01:32<ShockValue>mythtv, im using built in functionality
01:32<ShockValue>but for some reason myth has quit responding to commands after modifying that file
01:34<Chutt>thor, whaddya think of that mythvideo imdb patch?
01:35<thor_>with the perl?
01:35<Chutt>on one hand, it'd be nice to have it in for 0.14
01:35<Chutt>so if the format changes, it'd be easier for people to fix
01:35<thor_>yup ...
01:35<Chutt>on the other, release is soon, and that's a possible bigass bug
01:35<thor_>dunno ... would really like to C++'ify
01:35<Chutt>on the gripping hand..
01:36<Chutt>naw, i agree with the perl
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01:36<thor_>well, stick it in, and if there's a huge problem, people can just manually edit metadata for a month or so
01:37<thor_>(that's not a very good answer)
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01:37<Chutt>it _is_ just mythvideo
01:37<Chutt>and 0.13 doesn't work with imdb right now anyway
01:37<Chutt>so, no loss
01:37<Chutt>allright, it's going in
01:37<thor_>no harm, no foul
01:39<thor_>is that most recent attempt to fix the album art stuff in already (from a few days ago)?
01:40<Chutt>think so
01:41<thor_>k ... I keep meaning to look at it ...
01:45<thor_>I miss stan
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01:54<thor_>_rkulagow, the Tivo and Replay blurbs are slightly messed up (at least in the latest sync on the website)
01:55<thor_>Tivo text section is empty, appears in Replay section
01:56<thor_>(it may be intentional)
01:58<billytwowilly>good evening,
01:58<thor_>.. tonight, Dinosaurs ...
01:58<billytwowilly>thor_: I remember back to you telling me mfd stuff would probably be ready for 0.15. How's it going?
01:59<thor_>there'll be something in there for 0.15
01:59<billytwowilly>keep up the good work;)
01:59<thor_>actually, I can't do too much more without a client, as it's just getting too damn confusing
02:00<billytwowilly>well, I look forward to seeing it working.
02:00<thor_>heh, join the club
02:00<billytwowilly>wouldn't mythtv also be the client?
02:00<billytwowilly>I think I started it;)
02:00<billytwowilly>or atleast jumped on the band wagon early;)
02:01<thor_>yup, but it needs to learn to talk to the mfd
02:01<billytwowilly>ahh, then the mfd would share out music, videos, etc right?
02:01<thor_>yup ... and do all the in the background stuff (cd ripping, dvd transcoding, etc.)
02:02<billytwowilly>that's cool.
02:02<thor_>well, that's the plan
02:02<billytwowilly>I'm off to bed, I just saw you active so I thought I'd ask.
02:02<thor_>yup, g'night
02:02<billytwowilly>I hope it all works out.
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02:16<o_cee>Chutt: did you commit the mythweather stuff?
02:16<Chutt>not yet
02:16<Chutt>getting to it :p
02:17<o_cee>it's not possible to put them in a seperate dir, right? think i looked at that back when i first the the theme
02:17<Chutt>i don't think so
02:17<Chutt>as it needs to override the default images
02:17<o_cee>yeah.. ah well
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02:17<o_cee>gets kinda crowded
02:20<Chutt>i'll get it in cvs soon
02:20<Chutt>got one more patch to go before i get to that
02:21<o_cee>just noticed something.. mythgallery doesn't seem to like foreign (swedish) characters in the dirnames..
02:22<o_cee>it works, but its displayed with a square instead of the right char
02:22<thor_>probably an .ascii() versus .local8Bit() thing
02:22<o_cee>hmm, or a samba thing
02:22<o_cee>mythtv@dragon 2004 $ ls
02:22<o_cee>Omm?lning sovrum
02:22<o_cee>it's busted there as well
02:22<o_cee>nevermind then :)
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02:24<ShockValue>well, despite the spirits, ive gotten my remote working pretty well :)
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02:32<Chutt>the perl imdb stuff doesn't seem to work.
02:33<thor_>I know nada about perl
02:33<o_cee>did anyone try the new mythweb backend status checkie thingie?
02:33<thor_>it changed again?
02:33<o_cee>maybe not
02:33<o_cee>but the original one
02:34<o_cee>i'm just getting: Warning at /home/mythtv/mythtvcvs/mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php, line 114:
02:34<o_cee>explode(): Empty delimiter.
02:34<o_cee>and other odd stuff
02:34<thor_>hmmm ... I'm in the middle of a couple of rebuilds ... :-) .... won't be able to check for a bit
02:34<o_cee>did you try it before?
02:35<mdz>o_cee: perhaps you didn't read -commits?
02:35<thor_>I know it worked at one point
02:35<o_cee>mdz: i'll re-read it.. hmm
02:36<mdz>o_cee: if you update mythweb you must update your backend
02:36<o_cee>it is
02:36<Chutt>mdz, familiar with perl at all?
02:36<o_cee>doing a distclean then
02:36<mdz>Chutt: yes
02:36<Chutt>have a minute?
02:36<mdz>about that long :->
02:36<mdz>bedtime soon
02:37<Chutt>you see tim harvey's imdb thingie on mythtv-dev?
02:37<o_cee>sleep is overrated
02:37<mdz>no, but I'll look at it
02:37<Chutt>it's not parsing options like it's supposed to
02:37<mikegrb>o_cee: indeed
02:37<Chutt>i'm looking for the cause, but my perl's _real_ rusty
02:37<o_cee>perl is odd..
02:37<mdz>Chutt: I don't see it in my current folder; how long ago?
02:37<mdz>you sure it was -dev?
02:38<Chutt>Tim Harvey
02:38<Chutt>er, the 29th
02:38<mdz>hmm, that's today
02:38<Chutt>well, it's almost 3 am here
02:38<Chutt>abstract IMDB queries, a reply to his original thread
02:38<o_cee>[mythtv] [PATCH] abstract IMDB queries into external scripts
02:38<Chutt>'here's my follow up patch', yadda yadda yadda
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02:40<mdz>yeah, found it now
02:40<mdz>it's inside like 3 levels of tarballs
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02:41<mdz>I see the problem
02:41<Chutt>mythvideo's running it like: -M tv=no;video=no <video name>
02:41<Chutt>and it's not parsing the -M stuff
02:41<mdz>add colons after D, M and P in the getopt
02:42<mdz>oh, it's still broken
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02:43<mdz>what's it supposed to do?
02:43<Chutt>pull down the movie info for the given title
02:44<Chutt>well, pull down a list of possibly matching movies
02:44<mdz>so <video name> is a title string?
02:45<mdz>ok, fixed it
02:46<o_cee>(me wonders how this guy can send in a script that doesn't work?) :)
02:46<Chutt>what's the fix?
02:48<mdz>I don't know exactly how it was intended to work, but I changed it to be more like it should work
02:48<thor_>Notable Quotables, here I come
02:50<mdz>-P doesn't seem to work
02:50<mdz>at least, I don't get any output from it for any of the movieids I tried
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02:53<mdz>Chutt: flaky connection?
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02:54<mdz>what the hell did that guy mean by "I've done some modeling, and I have a dog"?
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02:54<o_cee>heheh, no idea :)
02:54<thor_>I was wondering about that
02:54<mikegrb>means he smokes to much weed while sending emails
02:54<Chutt2>mdz, this doesn't work for me
02:54<thor_>since you responded with "removed debugging code", I figured it was some coding expression I'd never heard before
02:55<mdz>thor_: the first sentence in his email made just enough sense that I understood his problem
02:55<Chutt2>does P need a :?
02:55<mdz>Chutt2: yes. I said it but didn't do it
02:55<mdz>Chutt2: I also sent a second patch which fixed the help() test
02:56<mdz>yeah, that was what broke -P. works now
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02:56<Chutt2>Use of uninitialized value in rindex at /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/ line 228.
02:56<mdz>thor_: I had hardcoded the backend IP to so I could test it with my test backend rather than my real one
02:56<Chutt2>bunch of those :p
02:57<mdz>Chutt2: with what args? doesn't happen here
02:57<Chutt2> -M tv=no;video=no The Fellowship of the Ring.avi
02:58<mdz>Chutt2: you have the ';' quoted in the actual invocation, right? :-P
02:58<Chutt2>i have no idea
02:58<mdz>perl -M 'tv=no;video=no' "The Fellowship"
02:58<mdz>0120737:Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001)
02:58<mdz>0052829:Frosch mit der Maske, Der (1959)
02:58<Chutt2>apparently not
02:59<Chutt2>ok, so i need to add some quotes
02:59<Chutt2>to mythvideo
03:00<thor_>after escaping quotes in the movie title, o' course
03:00<mdz>that script doesn't even use perl's HTML parser
03:00<mdz>seems like it could just as easily be done inside mythvideo
03:00<mdz>thor_: there is no way to escape (single) quotes in the shell. it's funny like that.
03:00<Chutt2>yeah, but this way it's easier to replace if it breaks
03:01<Chutt2>this is going to break on movie titles with single quotes in it?
03:01<mdz>if you use system(), yeah
03:01<Chutt2>it's using QProcess
03:01<mdz>if you use exec(), no
03:01<Chutt2>so i don't know what the hell it's doing
03:01<mdz>does QProcess use a shell?
03:02<o_cee>mdz: i'm still having problems with mythweb.. just recompiled myth with a distclean
03:02<thor_>I think it does a pipe, fork, system, cause you can get back output programmatically
03:02<mdz>o_cee: and installed it and restarted the backend?
03:02<o_cee>mdz: yeah..
03:02<thor_>but that's just a guess
03:03<mdz>thor_: looks like it probably uses exec and not system because it explicitly says that things like environment variables aren't expanded
03:03<o_cee>mdz: and even tried running it ./mythbackend
03:03<mdz>o_cee: because that's exactly what would happen if the backend didn't understand the version query
03:04<mdz>heh, less than an hour after the protocol version stuff went in, there's a patch to increment the version
03:04<Chutt2>it does indeed use qprocess
03:04<Chutt2>what patch?
03:04<Chutt2>it does indeed use exec
03:05<mdz>Chutt2: Subject: [mythtv] [PATCH] Verson 2 - Duplicate Detection Methods
03:05<Chutt2>there's another one, as well
03:05<Chutt2>but both are being held off until after the release
03:05<mdz>what does G.A.N.T stand for?
03:06<thor_>probably something swedish
03:06<mdz>couldn't the directory be called "gant" instead? ugh
03:06<o_cee>no idea, that's the name of the original artwork done by the guy who made them
03:06<Chutt2>i asked
03:06<Chutt2>he said no
03:06<o_cee>if there'd be a "DisplayName" in theme.xml or something
03:08<o_cee>would also be nice with "Author" or somethign that'd show up when you pick themes
03:08<o_cee>and maybe "Description" :)
03:08<Chutt2>that's what knight- was working on
03:08<mdz>thor_: heh, did my remove-debug commit inspire yours?
03:08<thor_>remembered a cout
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03:09<Chutt2>i can't get this stupid thing to escape properly
03:09<mdz>Chutt2: from the looks of QProcess, you shouldn't have to
03:09<o_cee>mdz: privmsg okay, and i'll show you the whole error i get?
03:09<mdz>o_cee: just send it to mythtv-dev
03:10<mdz>that way if anyone else is seeing the same thing, they'll find it
03:10<Chutt2>mdz, need to escape the tv=no;video=no
03:10<Chutt2>or whatnot
03:10<Chutt2>it's certainly not working
03:10<o_cee>hmm, maybe this is the thing..
03:10<o_cee>Warning at /home/mythtv/mythtvcvs/mythweb/status.php, line 17:
03:10<o_cee>readfile(): URL file-access is disabled in the server configuration
03:10<mdz>Chutt2: if you start a "sleep 1000" or whatever inside a qprocess, does it execute "sh -c 'sleep 1000'" or just "sleep 1000"?
03:11<mdz>o_cee: that seems unrelated to my changes
03:11<Chutt2>i dunno
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03:12<o_cee>ah yeah i thought that status page was a version check page, but it's the backend status page thingie.. right
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03:14<mdz>ok, bedtime
03:15<o_cee>blergh, dammit
03:15<Chutt2>even though it's still not working from mythvideo :p
03:15<o_cee>mdz: don't you need a return; at the end of line 118 in mythbackend.php? i don't know anything about php tho :)
03:21<o_cee>anyway.. since my frontend works with my backend, and the frontend log says that the protocol check is ok (1), this is something wrong with mythweb
03:24<o_cee>also.. if i change protocol in mythweb, i get this in mythbackend, proving it's the right one..
03:24<o_cee>2004-01-30 09:24:37 MainServer::HandleVersion - Client speaks protocol version 0 but we speak 1!
03:24<o_cee>2004-01-30 09:24:37 12 REJECT[]:[]1
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03:27<Chutt2>try removing the explode($backend_sep
03:27<Chutt2>and just leave the backend_command2 part
03:28<o_cee>Wrong parameter count for explode()
03:28<thor_>feature request as bug
03:29<Chutt2>i said, leave out the explode.
03:29<o_cee>$response = backend_command2("MYTH_PROTO_VERSION " . $our_version, $fp);
03:29<o_cee>Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION: A
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03:30<o_cee>A as in ACCEPT?
03:30<o_cee>yeah, it is
03:31<o_cee>(got R if i changed mythweb protocolversion)
03:31<Chutt2>change the response[0] to just response
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03:31<o_cee>Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION: ACCEPT[]:[]1
03:32<thor_>heh, there's still a #ifdef _OS_WIN32_ in audiooutput.h
03:32<Chutt2>print out $backend_sep in there somewhere
03:33<o_cee>hold on
03:33<Chutt2>in that function
03:34<Chutt2>change $backend_sep to backend_sep in that function
03:35<knight->any of you use svn?
03:35<o_cee>i'm getting the original file again
03:35<Chutt2>o_cee, what version of php are you using?
03:36<o_cee>one sec
03:37<knight->what's the problem Chutt?
03:38<o_cee>it works now, after removing that $ from the original line
03:39*o_cee is back (gone 13:12:40)
03:41<o_cee>seems to be pretty recent, php 4.3.4
03:41<Chutt2>it is
03:41<Chutt2>anyway, fixed in cvs
03:42<o_cee>okay, great :)
03:42<knight->what was the problem?
03:44<Chutt2>wasn't using the right thing for the backend separator
03:44<knight->for what though?
03:46<Chutt2>the protocol test.
03:46<o_cee>another thing that might cause headaches
03:46<o_cee>the new backend status proxy thingie
03:46<o_cee>readfile(): URL file-access is disabled in the server configuration
03:47<o_cee>i'm using pretty standard configurations, at least for gentoo
03:47<knight->Chutt, protocol test?
03:47<o_cee>knight-: the frontend checks its version against the backend now
03:47<knight->so you're updating mythweb to support that?
03:47<o_cee>the updated mythweb didn't work for me :)
03:47<Chutt2>already updated.
03:48<o_cee>mailing chris about that now
03:49<Chutt2>o_cee, you going to do anything else to the program playback screen?
03:49<o_cee>not at the moment at least
03:50<Chutt2>no reason
03:50<Chutt2>you're still using all the defaults, basically
03:51<o_cee>hehe, yeah :)
03:51<Chutt2>need some snowflakes in the mythweather stuff
03:51<Chutt2>it's all rain drops
03:51<o_cee>yepp, i know :)
03:51<o_cee>but it'll have to work, it says below it what it's supposed to be..
03:53<o_cee>there are no snowflakes in the original weather icons.. and he still haven't responded to my request about making ff/rew buttons.. hehe
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03:55<knight->hey do you think it would be possible to share the overlay with mplayer at the same time?
03:55<knight->i.e. grant mplayer a layer
03:55<knight->perhaps with a pseudo device
03:56<Chutt2>not without X having a pseudo device.
03:56<Chutt2>and as it doesn't
03:57<knight->i mean mythtv can register a device
03:57<knight->mplayer talks to that device
03:57<knight->mythtv mixes/blends, then outputs over X
03:58<Chutt2>not without myth being the x driver
03:58<knight->why not?
03:58<Chutt2>you don't just register a device
03:58<knight->we can make a skeleton module
03:58<knight->sure we can :)\
03:58<Chutt2>then you'd be dropping back to software rendering
03:58<Chutt2>and you might as well just do that
03:58<knight->sad but true :)
03:58<Chutt2>and not even bother with the pseudo overlay
03:59<knight->i'd still like to display my events, etc
03:59<Chutt2>o_cee, your update's in CVS
04:00<knight->Chutt, what about tapping into a xine or mplayer api?
04:00<Chutt2>both suck.
04:00<knight->I imagine this has been thought over many a times
04:00<Chutt2>mplayer doesn't have an api, really :p
04:00<Chutt2>xinelib's slightly better
04:00<Chutt2>use mythtv's internal player
04:00<Chutt2>does most stuff
04:01<knight->I'm surprised there isnt some semi-universal mpeg/avi decoding libraries out there
04:01<Chutt2>would do more, better, with some minor tweaking
04:01<Chutt2>there is, and i'm using it
04:01<knight->why are we relying on mplayer then?
04:01<Chutt2>who the hell says we're relying on mplayer?
04:02<knight->we are for mythvideo last i checked
04:02<Chutt2>it's the default video playback option for a secondary module.
04:02<Chutt2>you can use whatever player you want, including mythtv's internal one.
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04:03<Chutt2>don't you read the mailing lists at all?
04:03<Chutt2>this whole thing was discussed this past month
04:03<Chutt2>in great detail
04:03<Chutt2>too much detail, even
04:03<knight->has that been in for a long time ?
04:03<knight->yeah, i try to stay close to dev and commit lists
04:03<Chutt2>what been in
04:03<knight->I'm surprised I let that slip by. I'm sure it was one of those thread topics I avoided.
04:04<knight->in cvs
04:04<Chutt2>what in cvs?
04:04<o_cee>the ability to use myth's itnernal player
04:04<knight->mythtv internal playback for secondary modules
04:04<Chutt2>'mythtv <file>
04:04<Chutt2>has worked for generic file types ever since mythtv got mpeg2 playback
04:05<knight->hmm odd
04:05<knight->well, i gotta try that :)
04:05<o_cee>btw, does the mpeg2 transcoder geoff is working on in any usable state?
04:05<o_cee>oooh, nice sentence.. :)
04:05<Chutt2>i wouldn't know
04:05<Chutt2>don't use the transcoding stuff
04:06<o_cee>okay, haven't seen him commiting anything on it for a while, so i thought maybe he was finished ;)
04:07<Chutt2>he tends to do dev on his own tree a lot before sending in patches/committing things
04:08<Chutt2>knight, anyway, as i said, the internal player works for most stuff, but needs bits of tweaking. it's really only tested on mpeg files
04:09<Chutt2>but all the codecs are there
04:09<Chutt2>it's mainly just making sure seeking works properly, etc
04:12<thor_>bah, I think when you type mutex()->lock; followed immediately by mutex()->lock:, it's time to go to bed
04:13<o_cee>heheh :)
04:14<Chutt2>thor, bah, deadlocks are fun
04:15<o_cee>weh, now the backend status page works in mythweb as well :) needed allow_url_fopen in php.ini
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04:23<o_cee>Chutt2: how're you planning doing the clock stuff? i mean if i could prepare myself
04:24<o_cee>an analog clock could be really cool
04:26<o_cee>send you a file now :)
04:36<Chutt2>i dunno
04:37<o_cee>analog arms would look cool with a background like the one i just sent
04:37<knight->show me :)
04:38<o_cee>it's a background for a docklet
04:40*o_cee is away: Gone
04:40<o_cee>later all
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05:06<Slaytanic>Can someone suggest an analog channel scanning program that works with Hauppauge 250/350? "scantv" doesn't seem to work for me, it finds no stations whatsoever.
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10:46<livesNbox>hey guys -- i'm going to buy a wintv pvr -- does it matter if I get the PCI or USB version ?
10:48<_rkulagow>only if you plan on using it on linux.
10:48<livesNbox>yes I do.
10:48<livesNbox>should I go PCI then ?
10:49<_rkulagow>then don't buy that card, because the PVR is _not_ the PVR-250. there are no drivers.
10:49<livesNbox>that's what I meant, sorry.. wintv pvr 250
10:49<_rkulagow>the HOWTO has an updated section.
10:49<_rkulagow>talks all about hardware capture cards.
10:49<livesNbox>i wish someone would post "buy this stuff and it will work the best"
10:50<o_cee>get pvr2/350
10:50<o_cee>and only intel parts
10:50<o_cee>no via or amd
10:50<_rkulagow>best for me doesn't mean best for you.
10:50<o_cee>that's my advice
10:50<livesNbox>what's the difference between pvr2/350 and pvr/250 ?
10:50*bdale grumbles at his aging Sony DirecTV receiver... which seems to stop listening on the serial port every few days and needs a hard (pull the power plug, not just use the soft-power switch) reset to recover... grrr.
10:50<livesNbox>looks like the 350 just has a hardware decoder
10:50<o_cee>you better do some reading
10:51<livesNbox>i've done days and days of reading already
10:51<kvandivo>and you don't know if it matters if you go usb or pci?
10:51<livesNbox>i've installed myth 4 times and linux 6 times in the past week :)
10:51<livesNbox>i didn't see anywhere that said "THE USB VERSION WON'T WORK"
10:52<_rkulagow>are you sure?
10:52<bdale>you want the pci version
10:52<livesNbox>thanks bdale
10:52<_rkulagow>did you look at section 3 of the HOWTO?
10:52<_rkulagow>i don't see how "Hardware known NOT to work and other issues." under hardware prerequisites could be any clearer.
10:53<bdale>pvr-250 or pvr-350 ... there are other cards that people are working on ivtv support for, but those are the two principal targets for that driver
10:54<livesNbox>bdale: ok -- and the main difference is the 350 has a hardware decoder ?
10:54<Rince>and radio tuner
10:54<bdale>yes, maybe the 350 has an fm tuner too and the 250 doesn't? don't recall. I have a 350 and two 250s here, but only one 250 in use at the moment
10:54<livesNbox>Rince: does that mean that the 350 will work as an outgoing video device too ?
10:55<Rince>it does
10:55<Rince>livesNbox: I use the 350 in an mini-itx box. I have it directly connected via Composite-Video to the TV. There I am running X11 with MythTV on it
10:55<livesNbox>i think the 350 is the one I'd want
10:56<livesNbox>can I go svideo the whole way ?
10:56<livesNbox>in and out
10:56<Rince>you should, yes
10:56<bdale>if you're only buying one card, the 350 isn't much more expensive and gives you options
10:56<livesNbox>yeah like $50 more
10:56<bdale>I'm not aware of any downside to a 350 vs a 250
10:57<livesNbox>will it do simultaneous in and out
10:57<bdale>(other than cash)
10:57<livesNbox>seems like the way to go.
10:57<livesNbox>if I install myth will it (in theory) work out of the box ?
10:58<bdale>for good 350 support, you'll want the latest released ivtv driver, and either mythtv from cvs or the next stable release of mythtv... the latest release of mythtv will work, but there have been significant improvements in 350 support since then that are only in CVS right now
10:58<bdale>capture support has been ok for a while, it's playback support that was recently improved
10:59<livesNbox>ok.. so this will eliminate me from having to buy a videocard too, right?
10:59<livesNbox>I have an oboard one
10:59<livesNbox>but I need another one with TV out
11:00<livesNbox>i'm "borrowing" one from my other computer at the moment.
11:00<bdale>also, even if you decide to use some other approach in the long run, starting with knoppmyth is the quickest path to having something working that I know of to play with and figure out what's what.
11:01<livesNbox>yeah I tried knoppmyth last night
11:01<livesNbox>but right now I have an ati radeon card which is hard to get working
11:01<livesNbox>it played fine on my monitor
11:01<livesNbox>just not on my tv ou
11:01<livesNbox>and never did get the sound to work
11:01<bdale>right, ntsc out is a pain with most cards
11:01<livesNbox>i have had myth working though...
11:01<livesNbox>damn there's like nowhere to buy this card in my area :(
11:02<livesNbox>i can find the 250.. but not the 350.
11:02<bdale>I got an agp card based on an sis 315 working well for NTSC output, but have since switched to an nvidia card with dvi to drive my new display device
11:03<bdale>a few notes on my blog, though I'm not really into lots of detail on what I did there...
11:03<livesNbox>where's it at ?
11:04<livesNbox>so the 350 has a remote too.. how's that work?
11:05<bdale>both the 250 and 350 come with an IR detector on a cable that plugs into the card, and a remote control
11:05<bdale>the interface is supported by lirc
11:06<livesNbox>i really need something to control my dishnetwork box.
11:07<bdale>I use a serial cable to drive my oldish directv receiver, I gather many newer satellite receivers don't have a wired command interface like that and require you cobble up or buy an IR transmitter to hang on your mythtv box so you can command the other box(es) with IR... never been there, personally
11:07<livesNbox>yeah.. I'm not sure -- I've only checked one of my recievers.
11:08<livesNbox>but it didn't have a serial connection.
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11:11<bdale>time to maintain the pretense that I'm gainfully employed for a few hours... have fun. ;-)
11:11<livesNbox>thanks, see ya
11:15<livesNbox>now if only I could find a place to go pick this card up
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11:20<Rince>question: is it normal that I need ~8 seconds between channels while I switch?
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11:20<mikegrb>Rince: check the mailing list archive
11:21<Rince>will do
11:21<cmorgan>Rince: yes it is
11:22<livesNbox>does a strictly frontend box need much in the way of hardwar e?
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11:38<kyll>can xmltv grab program information for mythtv when i got a analog hauppauge wintv-radio pci card?
11:47<mikegrb>kyll: the mailing list archives probably know
11:48<mikegrb>or even reading the documentation
11:51<kyll>or google, thanks for the great answer :p
11:56<cmorgan>what does xmltv have anything to do with your capture card?
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12:00<mikegrb>cmorgan: shhh
12:01<mikegrb>cmorgan: don't let him discover the secret until he is ready for it
12:01<cmorgan>mikegrb: i wonder if any permanent damage has been done
12:02<mikegrb>no telling
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12:10<Chutt2>i like using 'magically' to describe someone's crazy ideas
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12:13<kvandivo>200 gig drive $110 after rebates.. oh chutt, did you see that dell has their 400 for $274 right now?
12:14<mikegrb>damnit kirby
12:14<mikegrb>you're making me wish I wasn't so poor
12:14*mikegrb wants both
12:14<cmorgan>dell has 400gb drive?
12:15<kvandivo>na.. the server...
12:15<mdz>Chutt: thanks for fixing my broken mythweb patch
12:15<kvandivo>Dell PowerEdge 400SC Server Celeron 2Ghz, 128MB DDR333 Memory/40GB, 48x CD, onboard Gigabit Ethernet/Sound $374 - $100 rebate = $274 shipped free
12:15<mdz>silly PHP
12:15<Chutt>very tempting
12:15<kvandivo>would want to prop up the memory, but the price is right
12:15<cmorgan>wow yeah
12:15<Chutt>mdz, no prob
12:15<kvandivo>i had noticed last night you were mentioning it
12:15<steelep>celeron..... yuk
12:16<kvandivo>$274.. yumm
12:16<Chutt>i just wonder how quiet they really are
12:16<thor_>so the mythmusic album art thing seems to be working, except it doesn't show any default
12:16<cmorgan>whats wrong with celeron?
12:16<mdz>what is a "Server Celeron"
12:16<Chutt>steelep, that's like 30,000x faster than a epia-m
12:16<steelep>I suppose
12:16<kvandivo>no one is saying it is top of the line.. but the price is definitely right
12:16<steelep>but still there is NO L2 cache at all
12:17<thor_>nor Level 3 !
12:17<Chutt>it's being paired with a pvr-350
12:17<steelep>but transcodes would take forever
12:17<steelep>for a frontend it's probably fine
12:17<Chutt>why would i want to transcode stuff? :p
12:17<Chutt>i've got a pvr-350
12:17<kyll>mikegrb & cmorgan, by mistake i thought this was some sort of support channel for mythtv. and therefore i hoped to get more enlighted about it. but i guess my question was too stupid
12:17<Chutt>what comes in is what it plays, not mpeg4 :p
12:18<steelep>I transcode to play on other peoples dvds
12:18<cmorgan>kyll: you did get your answer though
12:18<cmorgan>kyll: xmltv has nothing to do with your capture card
12:18<steelep>but i'm just gonna setup a damned Condor system to do my transcodes
12:18<kyll>cmorgan, yes in a very nice way. but im not to judge anything, so nm
12:19<steelep>if I could just figure out how to do it with debian and not redhat
12:19<steelep>I have way too much hardware at my disposal right now :)
12:19<mikegrb>kyll: also this isn't a support channel but a development channel, as far as I know
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12:20<kyll>mikegrb, ok :)
12:20<steelep>if only I had the time to configure it all....
12:20<Chutt>does anyone have any idea why people would want to make the recording and video output classes plugins?
12:21<steelep>I can only think of one
12:21<steelep>and that's not a very good one
12:21<Chutt>i really can't think of anything
12:22<cmorgan>Chutt: maybe so we can record from other sources by plugging in a new recording class?
12:22<Chutt>define 'plugging in'
12:23<cmorgan>yeah, i can't think of much use for it
12:23<Chutt>and not recompiling one or two files in libmythtv is _not_ an acceptable reason =)
12:23<cmorgan>without need it doesn't make sense to do so
12:23<cmorgan>i was trying to think of other input sources to myth
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12:24<Chutt>kvandivo, did you see the ship date on those 400sc's?
12:24<kvandivo>no.. haven't explored..
12:24<Chutt>february 20th
12:24<thor_>'cause plugins are cool
12:25<kvandivo>hmm.. not real fast
12:25<kvandivo>sometimes dell blows their estimated ship date out of the water, but not something you can count on
12:26<Chutt>my laptop was only 3 or 4 days earlier than they first estimated
12:26<Matt>the only real use for plugins there would be if there were lots of different recording and video output classes, and you wanted a binary only distribution
12:26<Matt>and smaller bins
12:27<Chutt>for example, hdtvrecorder.o is 16k
12:27<thor_>possibly easier to understand for newbie developers (relatively small plugin api)
12:27<thor_>(none of these are very good reasons)
12:27<Matt>nup :&)
12:27<Chutt>yes, saving 16k out of a binary is _necessary_ :p
12:28<Matt>chutt, you did ask if we could think of any reasons :&)
12:28<Chutt>yeah, i know
12:28<Chutt>i like shooting them down
12:28<Chutt>"Hi why have you disabled CVS-access to myth-tv/video/music/etc."
12:28<Chutt>err, anyone having problems grabbing those?
12:28<thor_>you BASTARD!
12:29<Chutt>The packages I download never include the "metadata.sql"
12:29<Chutt>hence none of the apps seem to work. CVS access might bring
12:29<Chutt>me closer to a working mythTV.
12:29<mdz>is there still some documentation somewhere that tells you that you need that?
12:29<thor_>you heartless, unthinking, uncaring, anti-white-male, pro-drug DEGENERATE!
12:29<Chutt>maybe, but..
12:30<mdz>oh, the HOWTO
12:30<Chutt>isn't it still part of 0.13?
12:30<Chutt>i don't remember when i got rid of the other sql files
12:30<mdz>er, maybe
12:30<mdz>I don't remember either
12:31<thor_>... anybody here got a stock 0.13 install ... ?
12:31<mdz>the 0.13 debs do in fact create the schema
12:31<Matt>I have
12:31<thor_>metadata.sql ?
12:31<Chutt>it was before 0.13
12:32<mdz>0.13 has an InitializeDatabase which creates all of the tables
12:32<mdz>hmm, so I guess I can leave that out
12:33<Chutt>still need to create the db for it, though
12:34<mdz>yeah, but the more of that code I can delete, the better
12:34<mdz>it also still handles upgrades from 0.8 and up
12:34<Chutt>i think the source handles that too
12:35<mdz>it does? how?
12:35<Chutt>in dbcheck
12:35<mdz>that was pre-dbschemaver
12:36<Chutt>oh, true
12:38<mdz>the dark ages
12:40<Chutt>rkulagow, you around?
12:41<mdz>rkulagow is on a polar opposite schedule to me, apparently
12:41<mdz>so if I am here he must not be
12:41<Chutt>same person?
12:42*mdz peers around
12:42<mdz>Chutt: sync cvs docs to website?
12:42<mdz>I mean, uh...
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12:52<sfr>there's a small glitch in the osd with cvs (checked out yesterday). when hitting cursor-left to jump back, the osd-message showing '0:00 behind' shows two square blocks instead of a u-umlaut \xFC. the \xE4 Umlaut looks ok though.
12:53<Chutt>the osd drawing code changed slightly
12:53<Chutt>from the japanese patch
12:53<Chutt>i did test with other utf8 encoded material, though
12:53<Chutt>so, weird that it's not working
12:55<sfr>it's working when changing the volume, 'Lautst\xE4rke' displays fine, only that \xFC character not
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12:59<sfr>also other Umlauts in the osd browse mode display fine. weird, as i checked the .ts file for a typo too.
12:59<Chutt>i'll figure out what it is
13:00<Chutt>oh, that's stupid
13:02<Chutt>i'll have that fixed in a few minutes
13:03<_rkulagow>mdz: i'm here, but flying solo with the daughter so i don't have the cycles right now.
13:03<mdz>_rkulagow: no problem; Chutt was looking for you though
13:03<sfr>great. lately you make it very easy for others to be lazy with bug-hunting Chutt :)
13:04<Chutt>rkulagow, you bought one of the cheap dells a little while ago, right?
13:04<Chutt>i was just wondering how loud they really were
13:04<_rkulagow>chutt: did you see the question i posed in IRC a few days ago? if a MPEG-2 recording is being commercial flagged, and the recording gets deleted, the nice'd mythbackend keeps going, correct? what happens to the entries in recordedmarkup?
13:05<Chutt>they probably get orphaned
13:05<_rkulagow>i have a 600SC. it's pretty quiet. not pundit quiet, but quiet.
13:05<Chutt>i'll ask captain_murdoch about it
13:05<bdale>any way to shrink the active area of an fb console when it's an nvidia card using dvi to drive a 720p display? overscan makes anything I have to do on the console annoying, and I haven't found a relevant reference anywhere yet?
13:05<Chutt>bdale, run x? =)
13:06<Chutt>i don't know of a way to do that
13:06*bdale puts staring at the kernel fb code on his to-do list, then...
13:07<steelep>what's the best way to decending sort on filesize in bash?
13:07<sfr>can't you create a modified fb mode with fbset bdale?
13:07<bdale>sfr: heck if I know, I've never cared until now
13:07<steelep>need to find some big files
13:07<Chutt>rkulagow, thanks =)
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13:09<mdz>Chutt: that cheap Dell, no monitor right?
13:09<_rkulagow>the "check for orphans in recordedmarkup" would be a nice addition to the garbage collection stuff that can be written once mythfilldatabase is spawned internally from myth instead of a cron job. unless you've changed your mind on that.
13:09<Chutt>haven't changed my mind on it
13:10<Chutt>rkulagow, mind if i upload a set of docs without the .sql files in them?
13:10<_rkulagow>sgml you mean?
13:10<sfr>bdale: start with one almost-matching mode from fb.modes and play with the display timing mentioned in the manpage. i had to do the same here but it took me quite some time to find a good set of parameters.
13:10<mdz>_rkulagow: no, the docs reference the old .sql files you had to use to init the database
13:10<mdz>which is no longer necessary in 0.13
13:10<Chutt>no, without the plugin database stuff
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13:11<_rkulagow>ah, that. isn't it still doing the grant command?
13:11<Chutt>i'll leave that
13:11<Chutt>but the plugins don't need it anymore
13:11<Chutt>mythmusic, video, and dvd still had the instructions
13:12<bdale>sfr: want to share what you ended up with?
13:12<_rkulagow>ok, got you now. i can take them out; i've got a commit pending anyways.
13:12<Chutt>oh, ok
13:12<Chutt>that's cool =)
13:13<_rkulagow>.14 today/tomorrow?
13:13<_rkulagow>mdz: i think your debian examples still reference .11
13:13<Chutt>going to try to get most everything done tonight, though
13:13<Chutt>but i'll tag and tar up the packages tomorrow
13:13<sfr>bdale: sure, but it's 640x511 in PAL mode...
13:14<sfr>bdale: and hor. refresh rate is 52 Hz. : geometry 640 512 640 528 32; timings 39722 60 0 70 39 76 4; bcast tru; accel true;
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13:20<Chutt>sfr, that bad translated string's fixed in cvs
13:21<sfr>Chutt: ok, thx
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13:35<mdz>_rkulagow: what examples?
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14:42<shorawitz>anyone here running Gentoo?
14:43<meth>i am
14:44<shorawitz>what ver of svgalib you using?
14:44<shorawitz>I can't seem to get mine to compile and someone on gentoo list is having same issue
14:45<thor_>anyone know the imperial nut size for the oil drain in a 1973 BMW 2002 ?
14:45<thor_>oh, and I'm missing a sock
14:45<kvandivo>look behind the couch
14:46<thor_>yup, there it is, thx
14:46<shorawitz>oh jeesh
14:46<sfr>we don't need mythtv, #mythtv is much better :)
14:46*kvandivo grins evily.
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14:50<Chutt>just need to write a little app to generate the translation files from the ui.xml stuff
14:50<thor_>parse for anything in quotes?
14:51<thor_>ah, heh, parse the xml
14:51<Chutt>moving the translations out of there
14:51<thor_>I _knew_ that xml stuff was supposed to be good for something
14:52<Chutt>since it's rather stupid to have the translations in each theme when everything's using the same strings
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14:52<thor_>as long as all the text cutdowns work, yeah it's dumb
14:53<thor_>but then you have lowest common denominators for size of button texts and what not
14:54<Chutt>i'll leave in the ability for theme local translations
14:54<Chutt>but for the majority case, it'd be best to move things out
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15:03<hw_76986>i'm having trouble with mythmusic/alsa
15:03<hw_76986>right now it's using oss emulation, and sounds horrible
15:04<thor_>define "sounds horrible"
15:04<thor_>are you playing crappy music?
15:04<hw_76986>yeh, but that's not the only problem :)
15:05<hw_76986>there is a slight, high scratching
15:05<hw_76986>like a bad record
15:05<thor_>mouse in your speakers?
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15:05<hw_76986>nah, there is no mouse connected to that box, and my cat takes care of all other mice
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15:06<thor_>please be less specific and provide fewer details
15:07<hw_76986>well, it's hard to describe. music plays basically fine except that there are high-pitched noises sometimes, with some mp3s you can hear them better, with others not, but it sounds like a scratched record
15:08<thor_>be sure not to include any information related to your soundcard, what outputs it's using, what it's connected to, what your mixer is set at, what versions of ALSA you're using or anything of that nature
15:10<hw_76986>since i obviously caught you in a bad mood, let's just forget about it for now
15:11<thor_>heh, a wee bit of Friday joviality
15:11<thor_>ah, .ch, perhaps a language barrier: je blague
15:13<cmorgan>hw_76986: how does sound from say xmms sound through oss?
15:14<hw_76986>cmorgan: sounds just fine
15:14<cmorgan>so only from mythmusic does it sound bad?
15:15<cmorgan>can you see what frequency mythmusic is using for its output?
15:16<hw_76986>hold on a sec
15:20<hw_76986>hrm, maybe it's just a bad day for me, now i can't connect to the box anymore
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15:31<hw_76986>cmorgan: both is 44.1 khz
15:32<o_cee>Chutt: you moving out translations from ui.xml? great :) pre .14?
15:32<cmorgan>hw_76986: there must be something different between those. i'm surprised that the frequency is the same
15:34<Chutt>yeah, today
15:34<hw_76986>cmorgan: at least thats what mpg123 and mythmusic list
15:34<cmorgan>hw_76986: try with alsa i guess
15:35<o_cee>Chutt: cool.. btw, the alttext.. do you see "Fix conflicts" instead of "Fix schedule(ing conflicts)" with gant?
15:35<o_cee> <--- haha
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15:36<Chutt>yes, it says 'Fix schedule'
15:36<Chutt>since I changed the alttext
15:36<hw_76986>cmorgan: ok, how would i do that?
15:36<cmorgan>hw_76986: what kernel do you have?
15:37<o_cee>oh, that too :) i thought it should be "Fix conflicts" and got confused. hehe
15:37<cmorgan>i think alsa is in 2.4.24
15:37<cmorgan>or you can just download the libraries and drivers from and build them
15:37<cmorgan>hw_76986: either way its pretty easy to do i think
15:37<hw_76986>oh, i got it already and am playing through oss emulation all the time
15:37<cmorgan>hw_76986: ahhh
15:38<hw_76986>my actual question was how to force myth not to use emulation
15:38<cmorgan>hw_76986: well then you just have to make mythmusic output to alsa(if there is a way to do so) ;-)
15:38<hw_76986>there's 3 settings, AudioDevice, AudioOutputDevive and MixerDevice
15:38<hw_76986>tho since i never used alsa before i have no idea what to set them to
15:39<o_cee>alsa:default or something like that..
15:40<hw_76986>and the mixer?
15:40<hw_76986>that too?
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15:40<o_cee>do some searching on the list
15:40<hw_76986>heh, the alsa page looks like crap in mozilla
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15:43<ceed>does the ivtv driver compile with kernel 2.6.1 ?
15:44<ceed>ah foudn it in the wiki
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15:56<hw_76986>hmm, madplay with oss does sound ok
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16:05<ceed>damnit, inserting ivtv module freezes my system
16:06<o_cee>wrong channel.
16:08<ceed>is there an ivtv channel?
16:08<hw_76986>ceed: #ivtv-dev
16:08<hw_76986>the stereoscope also has a bug
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16:16<o_cee>Chutt: did you see the idea i had for mythmusic (based on the current limitations ;)
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16:19<o_cee> i think it was
16:19<o_cee>that's the playbackinfo thingie
16:19<Chutt>oh, that
16:19<Chutt>saw that
16:19<Chutt>you need to put together a more complete mockup :p
16:20<o_cee>but i think i want to do something like two different pages for the playback, one with a large playlist and one with a nice ui that's not as crowded as now..
16:20<o_cee>hehe, yeah :)
16:20<o_cee>and a button to slide between the two screens
16:20<Chutt>that's fine
16:20<Chutt>that'd probably work pretty well, even
16:20<o_cee>with the playlist in mythmusic it's kind of hard to do anything fun with the rest
16:21<o_cee>of the space..
16:21<o_cee>i'll see if i can get thor to do some dirty-work later ;)
16:23<Chutt>naw, leave thor be :p
16:23<o_cee>[mythtv] [Patch] Warn about losing buffer on channel change <-- you going to commit that before .14?
16:23<Chutt>he's got more important stuff to work on
16:23<Chutt>i haven't looked at it yet
16:23<o_cee>muhahhaha :) i think he needs a break from the mfd for a day or two ;)
16:24<o_cee>one of those things (the patch) there's alot of request for..
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16:28<o_cee>hmm, that patch does "gContext->GetSetting("CCWarnThresh", "10")" but i can't see anywhere CCWarnThresh is set in the db
16:30<Chutt>means it'd use the default
16:31<o_cee>yeah but why not just put in an option for it.. ah well :)
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16:34<o_cee>"It's a waste of mine too." hahah, these lists are so amusing :)
16:35<o_cee>is win32 with cygwin supposed to be working now? could give that a shot maybe
16:37<Chutt>i have absolutely no idea
16:37<Chutt>i'm going to ask the guy over the weekend or early next week on how to get that running
16:38<o_cee>heh, okay..
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16:43<o_cee>cygwin's a pain to setup.. would be great with some docs :)
16:45<cmorgan>o_cee: usually i've just installed it and it works.
16:45<cmorgan>o_cee: are you talking about setting up the X server?
16:46<o_cee>just generally
16:46<o_cee>QT for instance?
16:46<o_cee>there's a whole bunch of things to install, heh
16:49<cmorgan>yeah, that stuff is probably the pain
16:49<o_cee>i think i got X setup.. think i've tried it with something else before
16:49*o_cee was hoping you had tried doing it :)
16:49<Chutt>i don't think the myth win32 stuff needs the x server
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17:27<dcas>Hey, could someone give me a hand configuring mythtv?
17:27<dcas>everything is working except for video viewing.
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17:27<dcas>I get a black screen for a second, and then mythfrontend dies.
17:27<dcas>The console says "Killed" and not much else.
17:27<dcas>Recording seems to work.
17:29<sfr>dcas: one option is to compile mythtv for debugging, capture a backtrace and send it to the mailing list
17:30<dcas>I was hoping that this was a common problem.
17:30<dcas>I am running it in gnome.
17:30<dcas>do you suppose that could be a problem?
17:31<sfr>dcas: don't think so. run the backend with --verbose all and check the output
17:32<dcas>been doing that...mythbackend doesn't have a problem.
17:33<sfr>ups s/mythbackend/mythfrontend ;)
17:33<dcas>here is the output of mythfrontend:
17:33<dcas>2004-01-30 17:33:12 Enabled verbose msgs : important general
17:33<dcas>2004-01-30 17:33:19 Connecting to backend server: (try 1 of 5)
17:33<dcas>Input #0, mpeg, from '/media/mythtv/recorded/3012_20040129220000_20040129230000.nuv':
17:33<dcas> Stream #0.0: Video: mpeg1video, 480x480, 29.97 fps
17:33<dcas> Stream #0.1: Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 384 kb/s
17:33<dcas>Input #0, mpeg, from '/media/mythtv/recorded/3012_20040129220000_20040129230000.nuv':
17:33<sfr>only paste ERRORS!
17:33<dcas> Stream #0.0: Video: mpegvideo_xvmc, 480x480, 29.97 fps
17:33<dcas> Stream #0.1: Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 384 kb/s
17:33<dcas>2004-01-30 17:33:22 Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'.
17:34<dcas>No XvMC found
17:34<dcas>2004-01-30 17:33:23 Changing from None to WatchingPreRecorded
17:34<o_cee>why don't you just read? it's all there
17:34<sfr>disable XvMC in iirc and recompile
17:35<dcas>will do.
17:35<dcas>where is that listed? I didn't install from source.
17:35<o_cee>just as the error msg said.
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17:35<o_cee>stupid users
17:36<dcas>I thought that was optional.
17:36<dcas>it doesn't look an error...
17:36<sfr>dcas: where did you get mythtv from?
17:36<dcas>gentoo ebuild.
17:36<sfr>bah ;)
17:36<o_cee>run ufed
17:36<o_cee>and disable xvmc
17:37<o_cee>and re-emerge
17:40<dcas>if anyone is curious, its the nvidia flag that enables xvmc.
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17:50<athom>i have a lifeview98 pci tv-tuner card. mythtv tv-tuner section interlaced:( i probed pinacle tv-tuner card -> it's ok. mythtv bug?
17:51<sfr>athom: section interlaced?
17:51<o_cee>athom: wth areyou talking about?
17:52<athom>sorry... little english speeking:)
17:52<Rroet>I think he means the De-interlace button that's in mythsetup ..
17:52<Rroet>or is it in mythfrontend .. :) .. I think it is in mythfrontend.. de-interlacing the playback
17:52<o_cee>what about it
17:52<sfr>athom: can you watch tv with your card and mythtv?
17:52<Rroet>I dunno, not my problem :)
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17:53<athom>the lifeview 98 card under winxp -> ok
17:53<athom>sfr: yes
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17:54<athom>sfr: but bad
17:54<Rroet>hi lmatter
17:54<sfr>athom: and you use a Monitor, not a TV?
17:54<athom>sfr: yes, i use a monitor
17:55<sfr>Rroet: 100 points
17:56<sfr>athom: look for the 'Deinterlace playback' option in mythfrontend->Settings->TV->Playback
17:56<athom>sfr: ok
17:56<athom>thank you
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18:01<athom>the other pc with dvb card: how can i setup dvb channels? to be out of work mythtv howto
18:03<lmatter>Hi Rroet
18:03<knight->does ivtv-fb in ivtv 0.1.9 work or should i use 0.2.x?
18:04<Truin>does ivtv-fb not work?
18:04<Truin>knight-: do you have a 250 or 350?
18:04<knight->i have several 250's that i've been using for a long time.... just got a 350 put in today
18:04<knight->## NOT-QUITE-YET
18:04<knight->## ivtv-fb.o
18:04<knight->that's what i see in the Makefile for 0.1.9
18:04<Truin>oh. Hm.
18:05<Truin>I get unresolved symbols in ivtv-fb when I run depmod, and assumed it was because I have a 250, so the 'out' hardware is missing.
18:07<Chutt>0.2.0's completely unstable.
18:07<Chutt>as it says on the website.
18:08<Chutt>if that was from your makefile, that's not 0.1.9
18:08<knight->that's a patched makefile :)
18:08<knight->for 2.6
18:08<Chutt>ivtv-fb doesn't work on 2.6
18:08<Chutt>neither does ivtv very well.
18:08<Truin>well, there ya go.
18:09*Truin pats his trusty 2.4.22 on the back
18:10<knight->ivtv has worked fine on 2.6 for me :)
18:10<o_cee>why does people run 2.6 kernels that doesn't seem to work with anything?
18:10<Truin>is 0.2.0 in CVS? I don't see it on the sf releases page
18:10<knight->I had some requirements to run 2.6
18:10<knight->Truin, 0.2.x is cvs only
18:12<Truin>hm... browsing the cvs now. I may try out 0.2 tonight.
18:13<Chutt>read the ivtv website.
18:13<Truin>ok, gotta go run an errand. bbiab.
18:13<Chutt>it says 'DON'T USE 0.2'
18:13<Truin>WHOA! It's amazing what a refresh does. I'd been looking at the company's cache server for the last week. ARGH!
18:14<Truin>oh hehehe... ok, yeah, I'll stick with 0.1.9, methinks.
18:18<o_cee>really need to do some reading on the filter stuff.. haven't tried those at all
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18:29<_rkulagow>chutt: rtjpeg, RTJPEG, RTjpeg or RTJpeg? (for consistency in the docs)
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18:41<rOOfus>sweet, i can control my dss receiver from the computer using an excellent com port to low speed data connector
18:41<rOOfus>at least on windows
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18:44<Netslayer>anyone know how to tokenize strings into variables in a shell script?
18:45<dcas>you can use cut, i think.
18:47<dcas>it would need a bit of trickery though.
18:48<dcas>can you use perl?
18:49<Netslayer>whatever ya
18:49<Netslayer>i just would like to control it from a script, might have to write a mini c program to do this
18:49<dcas>awk is an option too.
18:50<dcas>though, I'm not sure how to use it...I always use perl.
18:50<dcas>it is easy in perl
18:50<dcas>in perl use the split function
18:55<dcas>in perl use the split function
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19:16<Truin>some days, I hate my job. Wish I could quit, go home, and play with my linux box all day.
19:16<Truin>thor_: can you bounce me that link for mfd again? I can't figure out where I copied it to last time. :(
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19:18<knight->what version of lirc are you guys using?
19:19<Truin>I'm using the lirc that came with mythtv.
19:20<knight->lirc doesnt come with mythtv
19:20<thor_>it's in cvs
19:20<Truin>there's a "native lirc support" for mythtv that's bundled in the cvs. Works great with my PVR-250
19:21<knight->i thought that still needed the lirc kernel modules
19:23<knight->i've used native lirc support in myth for a long time
19:23<knight->it still requires your lirc kernel modules from the lirc package
19:25<knight->anyways, that still doesnt answer what lirc you guys are using
19:25<Chutt>rkulagow, RTjpeg
19:29<knight->one of the reasons I used 2.6.0 was lirc_i2c support in the kernel already
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19:46<sfr>Chutt: will you release saturday _real early in the morning_ :) or saturday night?
19:49<pahli_bar>i hope he releases early enough :) i need to make a release too this weekend
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19:51<sfr>nooo. i still need to finish/check the latest translations
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19:55<knight->yay, pvr 350 working
19:55<knight->now to just get X to display properly :)
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20:06<knight->why is X still messed up
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20:13<knight->a reboot fixed it
20:17<knight->stupid keyboard
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20:26<Deadkitty>Is the hauppauge wintv pvr-250/350 the only card with onboard encoders?
20:28<Deadkitty>Which one?
20:28<thor_>duon't have one, but " Your search for avermedia returned 386 results" on
20:29<dja_>avermedia M179 was one -- it's been discontinued
20:29<knight->i wonder why switching to the pvr 350 fb out makes my keyboard not work anymore
20:30<thor_>different XF86Config ?
20:30<mattfelsen>why'd it get discontinued?
20:30<knight->yeah but the keyboard stuff is the same
20:30<knight->(II) Keyboard "Keyboard0" handled by legacy driver
20:31<thor_>grep the X log?
20:31<knight->that is from the X log
20:31<dja_>no idea....
20:31<knight->never seen this before
20:31<thor_>Screen is set to use Keyboard0
20:32<knight-> InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
20:33<dja_>it looks like they are replacing the M179 with several different cards (the M150 and M172 for US folk)
20:33<thor_>**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0" <-- get a line like that ?
20:33<Octane> <= I've been getting this output recently from livetv, look familiar to anyone? exiting livetv and restarting it makes it go away
20:34<thor_>in the log, saying it found your keyboard ?
20:37<knight->the system is not stable
20:37<knight->i reverted to a 2.4.22 kernel, and now ps, w, etc wont work. tried to reinstall procps, no go.
20:38<knight->Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000108
20:38<knight->ugly dmesg
20:38<knight->maybe going back to 2.4.22 was a bad idea :)
20:42<Deadkitty>dja_: I found one place that is supposed to have them. Is the card a regular IVTV/BTTV card?
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20:46*knight- scouls at 2.4.x
20:47<_rkulagow>chutt: here?
20:47<Deadkitty>knight-: Why did you go back to 2.4.22?
20:48<knight->ivtv-fb support
20:51<knight->yeah so it looks like the keyboard works BEFORE x runs
20:51<knight->but then when X runs, the keyboard stops working
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20:52<dja_>Deadkitty: for the most part it's a "regulary IVTV" card...there's a patch for ivtv that will be incorporated in the next release.
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20:56<Tenchi21>can this be done on an xbox?
20:56<Truin>yeah, there are several people who've put mythtv on an xbox, and, there's actually a patch to make the LED on the front of the console come on while recording.
20:56<Truin>information about XBox support is in the docs.
20:57<Tenchi21>but how dows it record the video?
20:57<Truin>hell if I know, I don't own an xbox.
20:57<knight->It can run as a MythFrontend, not a backend
20:57<Truin>well, there ya go.
20:57<Tenchi21>whats a backend?
20:58<knight->Read the docs :)
20:58<Truin>the backend is what has the TV tuner, does the recording, stores info the sql database, etc.
20:58<Truin>This is *all* explained in the documentation for mythtv.
20:58<Tenchi21>ok so you would still need another pc?
20:58<Truin>in short, yes.
20:58<Tenchi21>trying to figure out my gentoo on xbox then focus on this
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21:11<[Shodan]>did anyone suggested including support for music video clips in mythmusic ?
21:11<pahli_bar>[Shodan]: mythvideo is there for that purpose
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21:14<[Shodan]>no , it's not appropriate , if you have 300 video clips it's cumbersome to navigate through them with mythvideo also with mythvideo you can really make nice playlist , what would be nice is if it was possible to add video clips and music files in a mythmusic playlist , hit play and visualize then have music with visualisation or video
21:15<pahli_bar>[Shodan]: then you should request mythvideo author(s) for playlists
21:18<Deadkitty>You could always write the support yourself
21:18<[Shodan]>playlist in mythvideo won't include playing mp3s , having one big playlist with music and music video clips is more in it's place in mythmusic
21:19<pahli_bar>[Shodan]: mythmusic is an audio only player. mythvideo can play audio/video files. now you decide which author to bug
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21:36<krash314>anyone here know what format the .vob files created when ripping a DVD are?
21:38<Niqo>mpeg2 (dvd profile) in a vob container (which i know nothing about)
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21:39<krash314>was that intended to head off my next question? :)
21:39<Niqo>try :)
21:40<Niqo>it's essentially a archive of the dvd, the ifo files have the index, and the vob files the data
21:41<krash314>i want to put them back on a dvd. i have a series of commands that convert my recordings into a dvd format for burning
21:41<krash314>i use mpeg2desc on the audio and video streams and then mplex them into a fifo for dvdauthor
21:42<Niqo>so you end up with a directory named video_ts and .ifo/.vob files, which I think should be written to a dvd with the udf filesystem format (don't take my word for it)
21:42<krash314>however mpeg2desc doesn't like the vob files. i actually thought they were mpeg2 files
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21:43<Salec>does the latest version of mythtv have problems with the pvr 350?
21:43<krash314>use mkisofs then dvdrecord. works like a champ
21:43<Salec>i just rebuilt mythtv to the latest and i'm now getting an error saying it cannot find my tuner
21:43<krash314>define latest
21:44<krash314>first time building?
21:44<Niqo>salec: did you remember to edit
21:44<Salec>where would that be located?
21:44<Salec>i ran mythsetup again but didn't need to change anything (it had the tuner listed in that)
21:45<Niqo>root of the build dir
21:45<krash314>Salec: what version of ivtv
21:45<Salec>do i need to set that before i build?
21:45<Salec>krash 0.1.9
21:46<krash314>Salec: how did you install before?
21:46<Salec>i am on gentoo and just emerged mythtv 0.13
21:46<Niqo>yea, always check the before building (you have to do `make distclean` and rebuild if you have missed something (unless you'r experienced with building mythtv that is))
21:47<Salec>however i wanted to get the cvs build since it has alot of patches for the pvr..had to write my own ebuild for that
21:47<krash314>right. did it run from /usr/local before?
21:47<Niqo>hmm, sounds like you failed to make the ebuild, as that should edit the file for you
21:47<pahli_bar>Salec: if you are using cvs... highly recommend that you use src directly
21:48<Salec>pahli: the ebuild downloads the src from the cvs each time a build is done
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21:48<pahli_bar>Salec: in any case 0.14 will be released tomorrow
21:48<Niqo>phali_bar: agree, and `emerge unmerge mythtv` beforehand
21:48<Niqo>Chutt: around?
21:49<pahli_bar>Salec: i have heard that one before and still the user came to complain here.
21:49<Salec>what would you recommend then?
21:49<pahli_bar>repeating .... 0.14 will be released tomorrow
21:49*Salec will be busy all day tomarrow
21:50<Salec>plus an ebuild won't get released that soon
21:50<pahli_bar>get the cvs then and install it yourself.
21:51<pahli_bar>default will install to /usr/local. you can always clean it out.
21:51<krash314>Salec make sure you don't have conflicting pieces
21:51<pahli_bar>make sure to remove the previous installation
21:51<Salec>so before i build check
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21:51<Salec>already did a make distclean
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21:52<pahli_bar>updatedb. locate.
21:52<krash314>Niqo: any guidance on how to get what I want out of the vob files?
21:52<Niqo>[NOTE TO Chutt]: I still have the issue with playback approaching 1hour and starts skipping (prebuffering)...
21:53<Salec>there any other sites aside from that offer themes?
21:53<pahli_bar>Salec: not that i know off. even if they are theme compatibility is not guaranteed
21:54<hadees>alright i know it sounds crazy but some how mythbackend is crashing my kernel
21:54<Niqo>krash: dunno what the problem is really, as you already have the .vob files, and those should be burned?
21:54<hadees>i got this huge error that i had to copy down by hand
21:54<pahli_bar>hadees: hardware problem/buggy drivers...
21:54<cmorgan>hadees: myth is just copying from a device
21:54<cmorgan>hadees: very unlikely that it is the issue
21:55<hadees>well it is ivtv
21:55<hadees>but it only crashs when mythbackend is running
21:55<pahli_bar>myth can't crash your kernel. kernel is not supposed to crash because of a userspace program
21:55<krash314>Niqo: when i run dvdauthor with and actual mpeg it creates the other files that go with the vob file. i don't know how to create those :(
21:55<hadees>i know it has to do with ivtv and mythbackend
21:55<pahli_bar>hadees: remove mythbackend from that line
21:56<hadees>well what ever it is it si a kernel bug at sched.c:1263
21:56<hadees>what should i do about it
21:56<pahli_bar>hadees: what kernel
21:57<pahli_bar>hadees: uname -a
21:57<pahli_bar>uh uname -r
21:57<Niqo>krash: you need to find a util to convert the single (i assume) vob file to a mpeg2 file (transcode maybe?), then run it through mpeg2desc.
21:58<krash314>Niqo: k. thanks
22:00<Niqo>krash: i belive tcat (from transcode) should do the job...
22:00<hadees>pahli_bar: 2.4.22-gentoo-r4
22:00<krash314>Niqo: i'll look into that
22:00<pahli_bar>hadees: i have always been wary of gentoo patched kernels. i would stick with vanilla kernels
22:01<hadees>pahli_bar: you really think it could just be the gentoo patched kernel?
22:01<hadees>i'll try the vannilla kernel
22:01<pahli_bar>hadees: or some hardware problem
22:02<drd>syeah gentoo patched sux
22:03<pahli_bar>almost all patched kernels suck... the only reliable ones i have seen are the redhat patched ones
22:03<knight->the problems were with gentoo's gentoo-sources-2.4.22-r5
22:04<knight->be afraid
22:04<knight->be very afraid
22:06<Niqo>the timer frequency hack caused a lot of problems for my drivers...
22:06<knight->damn keyboard still doesnt work :)
22:06<knight->works before X loads
22:06<knight->then keyboard stops working
22:06<Tenchi21>anyone here use gentoo & apache?
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22:07<Niqo>arg, this keyboard is starting to get worn out, bad thing is that it's on a laptop..
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22:09<Niqo>tenchi: try joining #gentoo
22:09<Niqo>knight: check your XF86Config, got to be a problem in there (don't ask)
22:10<knight->I have checked my XF86Config...
22:10<knight->It use to work
22:11<Niqo>[NOTE TO Chutt]: I still have the issue with playback approaching 1hour and starts skipping (prebuffering)...
22:12<knight->Niqo, do you see anything for CoreKeyboard in /var/log/XFree86.0.log?
22:12<drd>whuts wrong with gentoo+apache :/ besides the fact that it wants to always use apache2
22:13<Niqo>knight: i don't have that file... ?-|
22:14<aaearon>hi all. was looking at the pvr database and i see that it was lacking motherboard category. can anyone recommend a good amd motherboard with quality onboard sound?
22:14<knight->this sucks
22:15<Tenchi21>no one wants to help me
22:15<Tenchi21>i'm a total linux newbie
22:15<aaearon>cccraappp. there is a motherboard category
22:15<Niqo>tenchi: this is a mythtv developer channel, your q don't apply very well
22:15<aaearon>Tenchi21, ask in your distro's channel. like #gentoo, #redhat, #debian etc
22:16<Tenchi21>been trying since 5pm est
22:16<aaearon>keep at it :)
22:16<Niqo>tecnhi: read the docs?
22:16<Tenchi21>yes and even did what the tut on the page said and still errors
22:17<Niqo>guess you did it wrong then?
22:24<Tenchi21>no clue
22:24<Tenchi21>i would think so, but no one seems to want to hep
22:24<Tenchi21>Truin is trying
22:25<Niqo>if you solve the 'NOTE TO Chutt' posted earlier for me, i'll help you with the apache stuff ;)
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22:41<tdb30_>is there any way to do a sanity check on mythbackend to make sure it hasn't hung it self and is still reading data from the video card?
22:42<tdb30_>I'm trying to make a program that will restart mythbackend when it stops functioning properly
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22:47<Niqo>tdb: why not fix the bug in mythbackend instead?
22:47<tdb30_>which one?
22:48*tdb30_ runs and hides from angry developers :)
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22:49<Niqo>dunno, since you'r worried about it crapping out you must have stumbled across a bug, no?
22:50<aaron_>i've been looking, but what is the most best hardware for myth... pretend you have no budget?
22:50<Octane>does anyone here from time to time rerun configure on xmltv?
22:50<aaron_>err my english skeels
22:50<cmorgan>aaron_: no need to break the bank. 1+ghz processor, 512mb of ram and a pvr-350
22:51<aaron_>cmorgan: nice... does the 1ghz do much with a pvr 350 on board?
22:51<cmorgan>aaron_: my 1.4 seems fine at dvd quality, maybe 900mhz would do.
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22:53<Niqo>my xp 2.2k does ~50% with kerneldeint and denoise3d (default parameters)
22:53<aaron_>i mean do you need much cpu with a pvr 350?
22:54<Niqo>mpeg2 @ around 10Mb, btw
22:55<Niqo>hmm, scratch my comments about software decoding, as i'm half asleep
22:55<Octane>okay let me rephrase my qusetion
22:55<Octane>if i want to update all my channels, whats the best way to do that
22:55<Octane>i have it pretty configured though, with many channels marked as not in the xmltv file
22:55<Octane>should i just do it through mythtvsetup by answering yes to the second question?
22:56<Niqo>aaron: nope, it's mostly data transfer via cpu, which even a small via epia could do
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22:58<aaron_>Niqo: do you have experience with the via mpeg decoders?
23:01<aaron_>seems ideal... via nehemiah and a pvr 250
23:01<aaron_>maybe 2 250's tho..
23:02<aaron_>just curious if anyone has tried that though
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23:10<Niqo>i havent seen the output of pvr350, so i can't speek for it directly, however, I know that it has mpeg2 decoding directly to tv out, and that has to be better than the regular tv out of the epia (cle266 hw dec)
23:11<Niqo>i own a epia m10k myself
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23:12<Niqo>on the recording side, the pvr250 and 350 are identical, so...
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23:16<tdb30_>the tv-out on the pvr 350 is very good
23:16<Niqo>about the pvr250x2 on a epia m10k, i would assume that it's okay, unless you do some heavy work (for the epia) ie. decode divx at the same time 2 recordings are going (i would have done some more research on this though)
23:19<Niqo>the tv-out on the epia is also very good, but..
23:19<Niqo>..might be that mythtv is just missing a feature of the cle266 chip...
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23:22<Niqo>tbd: to your concern, i've thought about doing a sigv handler for mythtv, that will start a gdb session in screen, but if your mythbackend is only not feeding data it would not catch it
23:23<Niqo>have you seen any messages on the backend when this occurs?
23:24<tdb30_>Its been a while but I vaugly remember something like it couldn't read the stream or something (thats a paraphrase).
23:24<tdb30_>I realy haven't used it much in the last few weeks.
23:24<Deadkitty>Niqo: How would you get two pvr250s on a board with a single pci slot?
23:25<Niqo>there is pci duplicators (1-2) for epias
23:27<Niqo>tdb: ok, i've seen it here a couple of times (i'm using a dvb-s card with a decryptor module that does not want to follow all the time)
23:28*Niqo wonders if he's the only person using mythtv with dvb-s + cam, feels like the rest is using vdr, how come?
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23:28<exism>Wow, thanfully this place exists :)
23:29*Niqo thinks that vdr is; high stability, high flexibility, and extreme support (done by a one man show)...
23:30<Niqo>(Getting annoying? sorry) [NOTE TO Chutt]: I still have the issue with playback approaching 1hour and starts skipping (prebuffering)...
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23:31<exism>has anyone had issues with the EPG not showing any results and segfaulting on remote frontends? (it works fine on the backend machine)
23:32<Niqo>about the above message, I belive that .14 is not due for release yet, that's all...
23:32<Niqo>..but apparently they will release tomorrow :(
23:33<exism>your not talking to me, are you?
23:33<Niqo>exism: think there was a post about it on mythtv-dev today...
23:33<Niqo>exism: nope
23:34<Niqo>exism: or maybe ;)
23:34<exism>can't find it offhand
23:39<Niqo>can't find it myself, but i'm pretty sure i've read something about it today, on the mythtv-dev list that is, have not read most of the posts of -users yet...
23:39<Niqo>i might be wrong though, what is the problem
23:39<Niqo>i mean post the backtrace to mythtv-dev ;)
23:40<Niqo>(or in a location on the web, so i can have a look at it)
23:42<Niqo>is robert (as in the doc maintainer) in here?
23:43*Niqo should really start shutting up
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23:49<Deadkitty>niqo: how does that pci duplicator work?
23:59<Niqo>you put it in the single pci slot on the epia and whopsidoo, you got two ;)
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