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---Logopened Mon Feb 02 00:00:23 2004
00:02<Morph>QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range
00:02<Chutt>morph, you'll get that when there's no program data
00:03<Morph>and it wont change channels until there is data?
00:03<Chutt>it should change channels once the channel table is populated
00:03<Chutt>it'll just complain with that error message if the program table is empty
00:03<Chutt>captain_murdoch, dunno
00:04<Morph>okay. thanks.
00:04<Chutt>captain_murdoch, i can see both ways not working
00:04<Captain_Murdoch_>what do you thinkn about changing it to use the video window aspect ratio if the frontend is running in a window. (the RunFrontendInWindow setting is true)
00:04<Chutt>is there a toggle for the aspect ratio code, though?
00:05<Chutt>could just be a setting, or, i guess that could work =)
00:05<Captain_Murdoch_>you mean the 4:3 vs 16:9 key?
00:05<Chutt>i thought there was a setting to totally ignore the display aspect
00:05<Captain_Murdoch_>currently it sets it according to the window width/height in mm. I'll check to see if I see anything that ignores the aspect.
00:08<Chutt>it's if xinerama is enabled, it ignores the display size in mm
00:08*Morph curses digital cable and its hundreds to channels
00:08<Captain_Murdoch_>currently it calls X functions to get the display width & height in MM and if either of those are 0 or if it's using xinerama then it uses the video aspect.
00:08<Chutt>i wouldn't have a problem with adding a check for the frontend running in a window to that test
00:09<overridex>kind of a dumb/weird question - but is there anyway to add a delay to mythtv changing the channel? so that it calls the change-channel script and waits a second before it rebuffers and stuff, to give the set-top box a chance to change?
00:09<Captain_Murdoch_>ok. I'll set it to make sure it works. I don't see how noone has complained because it seems like anyone with a non 4:3 display would have a problem running windowed.
00:24<Captain_Murdoch_>that fixes my problem, but I still think something is weird with the aspect ratio code. the black bars it was making were too large. from videooutbase.cpp "n.b. assumes aspect < 1.4 is 4:3 and > 1.4 is 16:9; other aspect ratios wil cause incorrect results" that's probably why...
00:26<Captain_Murdoch_>yep, it's shrinking the image as if my display was 16:9. black bar widths match. even hoses it up when I run full-screen.
00:27<McQuaid>i have the access denied using pass NO error after updating to .14
00:28<McQuaid>i've been googling on this and see quite a few other people with the problem but not a clear answer
00:28<McQuaid>can someone explain to me how to fix this?
00:45<FryGuy>is the mythweb author here right now?
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00:54<FryGuy>ok I'll just post this to the list then
00:57<kslater>location of stuff change in .14?
00:58<kslater>I haven't done a cvs update since 12/31/03, but I read the commits list. Seems like it can't find the other plugins now..
01:08<Captain_Murdoch_>when did you sync up?
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01:18*Captain_Murdoch_ thinks the recent cursor changes in Myth have caused the cursor to disappear whenever his mouse is over the root window in X.
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01:29<__Da5iD__>is there a way to take snapshots in mythgame (mame games) and have them show up when you exit?
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02:32<paulc35>Is there a way to do setup remotely? I was re-doing setup and forgot to "attached" the video source to a card input
02:32<sfr>setup works via ssh -X
02:33<paulc35>I'm on a windows machine now, using a ssh client...can't do it that way, can I?
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02:34<paulc35>maybe the client has an "-X" option? I'll check it out, or try a different client
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02:34<sfr>install vnc server on the remote machine
02:35<paulc35>is that a Debian package?
02:35<sfr>apt-cache search vnc
02:35<paulc35>yeah..ok, thx..and then?
02:35<paulc35>read help for vnc?! :)
02:40<Uberbot>Can anyone tell me how mythtv looks on a widescreen?
02:40<Uberbot>Will I have "widescreen capability?"
02:40<o_cee>not in the menus
02:40<o_cee>you need to use something like Superwide (Toshiba)
02:40<Uberbot>Will I be able to play wide dvd streams?
02:40<o_cee>yeah, why not
02:41<Uberbot>Assuming a Haupauge 350.
02:41<o_cee>havent tried it
02:41<o_cee>but there's a patch floating around for mplayer
02:41<hadees>hey i got irrecord to work but now irw says it can't connect to socket and so does irxevent
02:41<Uberbot>Good enough for me.
02:41<o_cee>Uberbot: :)
02:41<Uberbot>So, it won't look hideous on the wide screen.
02:42<hadees>anyone know what i am missing?
02:42<o_cee>Uberbot: nah
02:42RroetZzZzis now known as Rroet
02:42<Uberbot>My WIFE wants a pvr..... <grin>
02:42*o_cee is away: breakfast
02:42<Uberbot>Any pointers for a nice chassis?
02:42*Slaytanic is also having breakfast, not with o_cee though :)
02:43<Uberbot>Want it to look like a stereo component.
02:43<Slaytanic>Uberbot: Antec Overture is pretty nice, so is Asus pundit.
02:43<Uberbot>Cool. I'll look into these pointers.
02:44<Uberbot>Gotta be BLACK!
02:44<hadees>the nicest htpc avalible
02:44<hadees>however not cheap
02:44<Uberbot>I'm looking....
02:45<hadees>they also sell it in black
02:45<Uberbot>Damned nice chassis!
02:45<o_cee>my homemade case looks better and is defenately more quiet
02:45<[DOA]Tarkie>god, you aint kiddin
02:46<Uberbot>$375 kinda hurts though.
02:46<hadees>o_cee: how do you know it is more quiet?
02:46<Uberbot>Tell me about your homemade case.
02:46<o_cee>hadees: i see at least 4 fans, i have two small ones.
02:46<hadees>there are only two fans in the case
02:46<Uberbot>I don't even need local drives.....
02:47<hadees>and small fans at that
02:47<o_cee>hadees: as i said, i see 4 fans there
02:47<o_cee>Uberbot: i'll fix some pictures some day
02:47<Uberbot>I might have one hard drive.
02:48<Uberbot>I can't wait. I built the stereo rack. I can probably manage a case. <grin>
02:48<o_cee>the hardware in that case isn't really linux friendly :/
02:48<Uberbot>The plasma display?
02:49<o_cee>Radeon and Holo3d
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02:50<Uberbot>Huh? I thought it was just a chassis.
02:50<hadees>o_cee: the fan on left is from the powersupply and the slot on far right is a passive heat sync for a video card
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02:52<hadees>Uberbot: if your good with soder i heard of a few people who bought broken recivers off ebay and hooked up the buttons on the front to thier computer
02:53<hadees>Uberbot: also a good place to look for cases is in thier htpc forums
02:53<Uberbot>I can solder.
02:53<Uberbot>I can also cut steel, plastic, etc.
02:54<Uberbot>But if I build a case, I don't want it to look "homemade." You know what I mean?
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02:56<hadees>Uberbot: try a broken reciever and see if you can do anything with it
02:56<Uberbot>So, what types of functionality did they create for the buttons on these broken receivers?
02:56<Uberbot>Fishing for ideas.
02:57<hadees>well most people use windows, i think they did like change channels and volume
02:57<hadees>just the basics incase you can't find your remote
02:57<Uberbot>Ok. Might be able to hack an old keyboard....
02:58<Uberbot>I was thinking of a wireless kbd/mouse.....
02:58<Uberbot>Any thoughts?
02:58<hadees>i would use a keyboard emulator thing, i can't remember the name of it
02:58<hadees>they use them for mame cabinets
02:58<Uberbot>Just hack a keyboard so that the >> button results in a "p" being sent to the computer?
02:59<Uberbot>For example.
02:59<hadees>i know lots of mame cabinets do that also but from my reading up on that topic there have been quite a few problems with keys being sent all of a sudden
02:59<hadees>for no reason
03:01<Uberbot>That's why I ask otherwise stupid sounding questions. Thanx.
03:01<Uberbot>Ok. sounds like wireless kbd/mouse.
03:01<Uberbot>My wife got me a multi-function remote control for xmas. Has a pvr icon.
03:01<Uberbot>How likely am I to get ircd to work with this new remote?
03:02<hadees>i say fairly likely
03:02<Uberbot>Really? I barely got it to compile on my laptop. Configuring it was.... ugly.
03:02<Uberbot>Was hoping to use my laptop for the ULTIMATE remote.
03:03<Uberbot>Never got it to work. I was kinda brain-dead, tho.
03:03<hadees>well i am waiting for the thor's mfd to get better and then i might take a crack at writing a plugin for
03:04<Uberbot>thor's mfd?
03:04<hadees>i think it is called mfd
03:04<Uberbot>I'm looking at netremote now. Never heard of it.
03:04<hadees>well it is windows only
03:05<Uberbot>I'm trying to get away from windoze. My wife uses it for Quicken.
03:05<Uberbot>Otherwise, we are a Linux shop.
03:05<Uberbot>Oh, and my 3 year old has a '95 machine.
03:05<Uberbot>But that doesn't count. <grin>
03:06<Uberbot>Any issues with trying to read/write media from the pvr to a fileserver over the network?
03:06<Uberbot>100Mb switched, at least.
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03:06<hadees>i haven't had problems
03:07<Uberbot>Wow. This is good news. Since the mb's I'm going to buy have a GigE port on them.... <evil grin>
03:07<hadees>what do you plan on doing?
03:07<Uberbot>Video, mp3,
03:07<hadees>also i don't know if you know or not you can slipt up mythtv now, into a backend and a frontend
03:07<Uberbot>I'd like to record a show at night and watch it the next day, for example.
03:08<hadees>so if you want you could really use just an xbox as the frontend
03:08<hadees>and but the noisier backend that does all the recording somewhere else
03:08<o_cee>xbox is noisy as hell
03:08<o_cee>if you don't replace the fan
03:08<Uberbot>I don't mind a bit of noise.
03:09<o_cee>while watching tv?
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03:09<Uberbot>I'll deal with that as it becomes an issue.
03:09<Uberbot>I think I want some horsepower near the TV, though.
03:09<Uberbot>May want to play vid games, for example.
03:09<hadees>o_cee: you think the xbox is to noisy, i know i can hear it but never been a problem
03:09<o_cee>and no, you won't need gigabit ethernet for watching tv, 10mbit is fine
03:10<o_cee>hadees: mine is very loud.. maybe there's different versions of them
03:10<Uberbot>This is good to know.
03:10<Uberbot>I was just worried that the vid would skip if it ran out of bandwidth.
03:10<o_cee>yeah but you don't use that high bitrate anyway
03:10<o_cee>on the video
03:10<Uberbot>I really don't know what the backplane speed is on my switch.
03:10<Uberbot>I see.
03:11<Uberbot>I was thinking about 1Gb an hour?
03:11<hadees>Uberbot: does your laptop have tvout?
03:11<Uberbot>S-vid. Yes.
03:11<o_cee>you do the math.. 100mbit video for example.. would be.. 4,5gb / hour i think
03:11<Uberbot>Point taken.
03:11<o_cee>no, 45 gb
03:12<Uberbot>video is 45Gb / hour?
03:12<hadees>Uberbot: you can put mythtv-frontend on your laptop and then any tv without a mythtv frontend in your house you can just hook your laptop up to
03:12<o_cee>so 1-2gb/hour is no problem over 10mbit
03:12<o_cee>Uberbot: if you'd record at 100mbit
03:12<o_cee>wich you can't anyway
03:12<Uberbot>I mis-understood. Clear now.
03:12*o_cee is away: work
03:13<o_cee>does a fanless epia handle mpeg2 without using the cle266?
03:13<Uberbot>Hadees, in that case, I could just use the laptop front end to control the backend without plugging into the TV, right?
03:13<o_cee>Uberbot: the backend has the tv-tuners
03:13<o_cee>and the hd's
03:14<Uberbot>Yup. So I could install the front end on all of the machines in the house.... Have a single backend near the TV.
03:14<Uberbot>Is there, by chance, a web interface?
03:14<o_cee>yes. mythweb
03:14<Uberbot>This will be TOO cool.
03:14<o_cee>wich is on the homepage
03:15<Uberbot>I'll just do that, then.
03:16<Uberbot>Hey, you guys have been really helpfull. Thanx.
03:17<Uberbot>Hadees, I see your a fellow gentoo user.
03:21<Uberbot>Well, gotta go.
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04:44<Aridhol>does the mythfrontend need to be running for shows to record?
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04:45<choenig>Aridhol: nope
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04:59<Slaytanic>I'm having trouble adjusting the subtitle size in ~/.mplayer/config, has anyone a working example to share? I can choose the position, but I can't seem to change the size of the subs... :/
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05:31<Spida>I have myth running (mostly) and lircd, but myth doesn't see my ir commands... what am I doing wrong?
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05:49<Slaytanic>Spida: Try running irw to see that the commands are received...
05:50<Spida>Slaytanic: connect: Connection refused
05:50<Spida>Slaytanic: cat /dev/lircd works, though
06:02<Slaytanic>Try setting it up according to Jarod Wilsons guide...
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06:49<Spida>Slaytanic: I mostly did that, but it doesn't work.
06:50<Spida>do I need some special rights on /dev/lirc or /dev/lircd?
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07:01<kyll>here is mine: crw-r--r-- 1 root root 61, 0 Jan 28 18:50 /dev/lirc .... srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Jan 29 19:01 /dev/lircd
07:01<kyll>and it works
07:02<Spida>I have the same, and irw doesn't get a connection, but I can cat /dev/lirc and get many nice variants of points and dashes above a's, when I press buttons on my remote
07:04<kyll>i used this documention to set it up:
07:05<kyll>i cant remember what i did since its been so long
07:40<Spida>irrecord does work, but everything else does not work...
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09:10<czzn>kyll ?
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09:38<o_cee>quiet today
09:43<dja>too quiet? :-)
09:43<o_cee>what a stupid fuck, his email had a reply-to to the users list.. dumbfuck
09:44<o_cee>ah well
09:44<o_cee>dja: you've got an epia right?
09:44<o_cee>nevermind then :)
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10:48<racer32>if I use the epg with displaying 5 channels, then channeldesc only shows 3 descriptions and are not right aligned.
10:48<racer32>is this a theme problem?
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10:52<dragonkh>does mythtv support a mpeg2 decoder on my motherboard
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12:21<o_cee>racer32: ?
12:21<o_cee>Chutt: uhm, you know the page you tested for me in konq, it must have looked hideous, i'd forgot to upload most of the stylesheets :) heheh
12:21<thor_>ah, o_cee you did all the mythbackend http status stuff, right ?
12:22<thor_>all the CSS and making it proper html, correct ?
12:22<Chutt>o_cee, never knew what it was supposed to look like
12:23<o_cee>Chutt: hehe, no.. would you mind trying it again? there's supposed to be a real menu and a pretty heading
12:23<o_cee>thor_: it's all valid xhtml 1.0 strict if that's what you're asking?
12:23<Chutt>text isn't in the boxes in konq
12:24<o_cee>and uhm, muhaw, maybe not 100% clean css, since there's a mozilla specific thingie in there, but that's no biggie
12:24<o_cee>Chutt: no? could you send me a screenshot?
12:24<Chutt>in a few minutes
12:24<thor_>in a few days I'm going to have the mfd offering a very crude client interface over http ... was hoping you might be able to look at it at some point
12:24<o_cee>oh, probably because of another font kicks in..
12:25<o_cee>thor_: sure, maybe so.. just let me know
12:25<thor_>k, thanks
12:25<o_cee>Chutt: it looks allright in mozilla, right? or if it's a font issue, it might be the same there
12:26<Chutt>no, looks fine in mozilla
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12:36<o_cee>allright, thanks.. the mountaing image is easily fixed.. have to do some reading on the menu
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13:12<racer32>ocee yes/
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13:15<racer32>o_cee think you're gonna answer my question?
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13:27<Rroet> hi warlord :)
13:27<Rroet>how are you're IVTV troubles today ?
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13:29<warlord>Rroet: I haven't tried, but I'm fairly sure if I try to jump-back it will get confused about where it is in the program stream and lose the concept of "real-time"
13:30<warlord>I try to jump back 5 seconds, but it jumped back about 10 minutes.
13:30<warlord>and now it thinks it's caught up in _time_, even though it think's it's 5.12% behind.
13:30<Rroet>ehm... difference between 5 seconds and 10 minutes is a feature.
13:30<warlord>Uh, I don't think so.
13:31<Rroet>ahh.. the percentages are the usages on the harddrive.. time is expressed in seconds and minutes
13:31<warlord>Yes, but it's CONFUSED.
13:31<warlord>It's 10 minutes behind real-time but it thinks it's exactly AT real-time
13:31<Rroet>mmmm.. crap
13:32<warlord>And the percentage is not usage of the harddrive -- it's the amount of delay expressed as a percentage of the disk usage.
13:33<warlord>For example, if you hit pause, you'll see the percentage (and time) both increase from 0:00/0.00%
13:33<Rroet>I thought it was the percentage of diskusage in the ringbuff file..
13:34<Rroet>mm.. my stuttering seems gone at the moment.
13:34<Chutt>warlord, i haven't seen it get confused at all with 0.14
13:34<warlord>It is.. It's the percent of the delay-from-realtime of the ringbuf usage. If you're in real-time it'll ALWAYS be 0.00%
13:34<Chutt>like you're describing
13:34<warlord>Chutt: I'm using 0.14
13:34<Chutt>right, i'm just saying
13:34<Chutt>i haven't seen that at all :p
13:35<warlord>It takes about 15 minutes of live-tv before it starts getting confused.
13:35<warlord>and it seems to get worse the longer you watch..
13:35<Chutt>we watched the game yesterday in live-tv mode, no problems seeking around
13:35<warlord>For example, I just had it in a state where it thought it was at 0:00 delay, but still at 5.XX%
13:35<warlord>Hmm, we did, too, but we did have problems seeking around.
13:36<warlord>you're using the -350 output?
13:36<Chutt>warlord, it shouldn't be all that difficult to figure out where it's going off -- it's really just looking at the framesPlayed variable for all that
13:36<Chutt>and that's not set in all that many places
13:36<Chutt>yeah, i'm using the -350 output
13:37<Chutt>well, cvs from the release, but it's the same thing
13:37<warlord>Hmm. Well, let me try..
13:37<warlord>(yea, same here -- cvs from the release ;)
13:37<Rroet>current cvs is totally fubar
13:37<Rroet>I mean unstable.
13:37<warlord>question: is "make clean" sufficient or do I really need "distclean"?
13:37<Rroet>for me at least.
13:37<Chutt>if it runs, make clean was enough
13:38<Chutt>if it segfaults in weird places, then it wasn't =)
13:38<Rroet>Chutt: do you have the stuttering issue as well with ivtv ?
13:38<Chutt>though, i should have gotten most of the dependency issues ironed out
13:38<Rroet>ok, lot of people are getting stuttering after watching about 15minutes of livetv and then switching channels
13:38<Chutt>it's nice that this was reported to the mailing list
13:39<kvandivo>these 'live tv' watchers.. i'll never understand them
13:39<Rroet>Chutt: it was reported to the list
13:39<Chutt>not anyway that i remember
13:39<Chutt>which means it wasn't done well
13:39<Chutt>i skip over crappy bug reports completely
13:39<Rroet>mm.. it was done yesterday even.
13:39<Rroet>by Mike Wood
13:39<Rroet>and about a week ago in the mythdev list
13:40<kvandivo>chutt likes the really long bug reports. be sure to include database table dumps as well.
13:40*kvandivo ducks.
13:40<Rroet>so many messages nowadays.. a few threads tend to fly by unnoticed
13:40<sfr>and sample recordings are a must
13:41<Rroet>sfr: that's the problem.. recordings are fine.
13:41<warlord>kvandivo: my particular skipping problem isn't just livetv, but also a problem when watching a recording-in-progress.
13:41<Rroet>I'm still testing if the problem is in mythtv or in IVTV
13:41<Chutt>Rroet, err, mike wood's problem was something entirely different.
13:41<Chutt>if you read his followup
13:42<Rroet>I've downgraded from ivtv 0.1.9 to 0.1.8 pre2 (11th of januari)
13:42<Chutt>you can't
13:42<Chutt>since that doesn't do things right wrt the timestamps
13:42<Chutt>that the driver returns.
13:42<Chutt>if you're using the pvr-350, you need 0.1.9.
13:42<Rroet>warlord: 350
13:42<Rroet>Rroet: 250
13:42<Chutt>we didn't pull that version requirement out of our asses.
13:43<sfr>Chutt: admittedly, i talked about a similar behaviour here, but i upgraded to ivtv 0.1.9 and from some quick testing yesterday i think it may have solved the problem for me, but i'll keep an eye on it.
13:43<Chutt>sfr, you have a 350?
13:43<sfr>Chutt yes, but i'm not using the tv-out.
13:43<Chutt>then it's a different problem :p
13:44<o_cee>maybe it's time to give the 350 tv output another shot
13:45<warlord>o_cee: 350 output is REALLY good.. (except for the livetv+epg problems)
13:45<sfr>Chutt: symptom is that after some channel changing the load on the frontend goes up, and mythfrontend takes up to ~75 % cpu. exiting live-tv and reentering it fixes it and mythfrontend is again down to ~30% cpu usage.
13:45<Rroet>ehm, you guys don't have issues btw with recordings?
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13:45<o_cee>warlord: yeah, i've had it running, but since the epg is very commonly used here.. it didn't work out, heh
13:45<Rroet>my pvr 250 seems to "forget" sounds once in a while.
13:45<Chutt>i've never had it die on me with the epg
13:46<Chutt>you all are just unlucky :p
13:46<warlord>*twiddles fingers waiting for 10-15 minutes*
13:46<warlord>Chutt: you must have a slow CPU
13:46<warlord>I can reliably reproduce the livetv+epg hang in about 15 seconds.
13:46<o_cee>celeron 2ghz here
13:46<Rroet>m10k without a distcc farm ?
13:46<Chutt>err, of course
13:47<Rroet>mmm.. life will be so much easier with a distcc farm :)
13:47<Rroet>it's bloody fast compiling :)
13:47<Chutt>it's my production machine, i don't recompile stuff on there all that often
13:47<o_cee>what's the cheapest eden you can run a frontend on without mpeg2 acceleration (don't want b&w osd)? does a fanless thingie work?
13:48<Chutt>in fact, i don't really care how long it takes to compile stuff on there
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13:49<o_cee>muhahha, i meant Epia
13:49<o_cee>where the hell did i get eden from :)
13:49<sfr>is your eve around, o_cee?
13:49<warlord>Chutt: yea, the freeze appears to happen on faster machines. people with sub-GHz machines appear to not see the problem.
13:49<warlord>it's definitely an ivtv problem, not a myth problem.
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13:50<Rroet>mmm.. why do I always have the troubles you guys don't have ?
13:50<o_cee>tmk said something about someone saying that chaning from global to local (or vise versa) alpha helped
13:50<warlord>Rroet: I've not seen the stuttering problem, either
13:50<kvandivo>code 18
13:50<Rroet>I still can't watch PAL at 480x480 without getting a shaking image
13:50<Rroet>do you guys have that problem ?
13:50<o_cee>Rroet: yes
13:50<o_cee>do full pal
13:51<o_cee>you're not supposed to be using anything lower
13:51<Rroet>I know, but my epia won't pull full pal without hw mpeg2 decoding.
13:51<warlord>Chutt: where does it get the percentage from?
13:51<o_cee>same bitrage
13:51<o_cee>Rroet: what Epia?
13:51<Chutt>warlord, where in the source, or how does it do it?
13:51<o_cee>uhm, shouldn't that be able to playback mpeg2?
13:52<Chutt>rroet, err, pal is x576 high.
13:52<warlord>the former. (althogh if you want to explain the latter it'll save me time)
13:52<warlord>The percentage is definitely correct, but the time computation is not.
13:52<Chutt>warlord, NuppelVideoPlayer::calcSliderPos
13:52<Rroet>Chutt: I know.
13:52<Chutt>so why the hell are you trying to capture at an ntsc resolution?
13:53<Rroet>but watching liveTV at 720x576 without hwmpeg decoding is impossible ?
13:53<Rroet>Chutt: ?
13:53<Chutt>use 480x576
13:53<Rroet>not recording, just watching.
13:53<o_cee>pal is 768x576 i think
13:53<Rroet>pal == 720x576 afaik
13:53<Chutt>it's not.
13:53<o_cee>that's ntsc you're trying
13:53<Chutt>it's an analog signal, there is no horizontal resolution
13:54<Chutt>you should always capture at a full height, or a clean (ie 1/2) multiple of it
13:54<Rroet>Chutt: ok.. thnx, good to now
13:54<Chutt>warlord, it's basically just using framesPlayed - framesWritten
13:54<Rroet>o_cee: now I remember.. full dvd is 720x576...
13:54<Chutt>for the time
13:55<Chutt>the % is a function of disk used
13:55<Rroet>Chutt: so If i go for 360x576 I should be able to watch without hwmpeg decoding ?
13:55<sfr>as we already talk about problems: anyone observe a remote frontend loosing the connection to the backend control socket? happens here quite often while watching live-tv for some time. if that happens channel changing doesn't work but the frontend jumps back to the beginning of the live-tv buffer.
13:55<o_cee>Rroet: why don't you try full PAL first?
13:55<Rroet>o_cee: been there... done that
13:55<o_cee>you just said you didn't even know the resolution.
13:55<warlord>Chutt: right, if if i'm at real-time, the percentage should be 0, right?
13:56<Chutt>close to it
13:56<Rroet>o_cee: ..... x576 was just said..
13:56<Rroet>I have that.
13:56<Chutt>it doesn't let you seek up right to real time
13:56<o_cee>Rroet: 768x576
13:56<Chutt>warlord, i'd put some debugging in ivtvdecoder to see what it's doing to framesPlayed
13:56<warlord>but it should still be like .05% or so when it's as close to real-time as you can get.
13:56<Rroet>o_cee: ... 720x576 already has a CPU issue it can't keep up.. ... let's try a high resolution..
13:56<Chutt>as i'd say that's probably the issue
13:56<Rroet>seem somewhat strange to me.
13:56<o_cee>Rroet: might involve that it needs to scale
13:57<Rroet>ok, I can try
13:57<o_cee>the epias must suck bigtime if 1000mhz can't playback that..
13:58<Chutt>they do
13:58<Rroet>Chutt: do play back, or do suck ...
13:58<Rroet>I think the last one :)
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13:58<o_cee>Chutt: got any recommendation for a frontend only machine?
13:58<o_cee>thinking about setting up a lcd in the bedroom
13:59<Rroet>Chutt: is there a option to turn of hw mpeg decoding without rebuilding myth ?
13:59*Rroet ducks*
13:59<lmatter>Rroet, it's in settings/tv/playback.
14:00<Rroet>lmatter: thanks.
14:00<Chutt>amazing how that works
14:02<Rroet>*whoops* now that killed my backend
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14:04<Rroet>ok, them last 2 changes keep killing my backend.. time to read the logfile.
14:04<Rroet>ok, it says nothing. I think it doesn't like my 768x576
14:05<Rroet>... myth backend did leave a little note in dmesg
14:06<lmatter>Rroet, must have joined late, why aren't you using hwmpeg ?
14:07<Rroet>lmatter: just wondering if it does work without.
14:08<Rroet>Chutt: o_cee: ... 768x576 wasn't a good idea for my card.
14:09<lmatter>Rroet, I seriously doubt it. I tried it once too. LIke watching a slide show.
14:09<warlord>hmm, I just got a bunch of "bad newframes" which is showing that framesRead > framesPlayed
14:09<Rroet>lmatter: it is already at 720x576, but it was suggested as a test because 720x576 seems to be a scaled image ..
14:10<Rroet>.. running 720x576 now, it's a slideshow with 2 / 3 sec moving slides
14:11<choenig>hi Chutt, did you have a look at my patch already? and ... would you accept a patch witch gives the option to run an arbitrary script at the beginning of the BE (first scheduler loop) which would allow ppl to startup the FE ?
14:13<Rroet>Chutt: informative question.... when changing channels, does it throw away/empty the ringbuff file and start a new empty one on the new channel?
14:13<sfr>yes, Rroet
14:14<Rroet>could it be.. (via hwpmeg library seems to have issues with harddrive activity) that the changing channels stuttering is coming from that specific issue ?
14:15<knight->anyone ever get that Actisys IR200L to work?
14:15<Rroet>I mean, when I'm using my harddrive heavily moving files, my playback will go stuttering.
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14:17<Rroet>mm.. sorry to ask for the obvious again, but my 768x576 backend crashes seem to come from ivtv. according to ivtv 720x576 is the full pal resolution ...*wierd* ?
14:18<Rincev6>well - why do you think it is ivtv-related?
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14:18<Rroet>Rincev6: because I can't set a greater resolution on pal here it seems.
14:18<Rroet>I've just set it to 720x576 and demesg informs me:
14:18<Rroet>Setting full PAL width
14:18<Rroet>Setting full PAL height
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14:19<Rroet>when I set it to 768x576 in mythbackend as livetv and try to watch livetv .. man I get the most awfull dmesg message telling me the backend has crashed
14:20<Rincev6>do you have a logfile _why_ it crashes?
14:20<Rroet>mythbackend logfile doesn't report anything.
14:21<Rincev6>have you already tried to use ivtvctl and to check wether that works?
14:21<Rroet>it just says it went to watching livetv
14:22<Rroet>ivtvctl ?
14:22<Rroet>you mean test_ioctl?
14:24<Rincev6>sorry - es
14:26<Rroet>video utils # test_ioctl -d /dev/video3 -f width=768,height=576
14:26<Rroet>ioctl: VIDIOC_S_FMT
14:26<Rroet> Before:
14:26<Rroet> Type : Video Capture
14:26<Rroet> Width : 720
14:26<Rroet> Height : 576
14:26<Rroet>Segmentation fault
14:26<Rincev6>well ;-)
14:26<Rincev6>there you have it ;)
14:27<Rroet>it does not like anything bigger then 720.
14:29<Chutt>so, uh, don't do anything bigger than 720?
14:30<Rroet>Chutt: ..... about the remarks a few lines back.. ... I was kinda advised to try 768x576
14:31<Chutt>is rather annoying.
14:31<knight->so anyways, keyboard doesnt work with ivtv-fb and X running for me
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14:35<warlord>Chutt: I added some debugging, and there is clearly something strange going on. I seeked backwards 5 seconds and then forward "30" (which should catch me up...
14:35<bline>hey Chutt, do you run myth in the pvr350 framebuffer with qt-embedded?
14:35<Chutt>bline, nope
14:36<bline>have you tried it?
14:36<warlord>It started with framesRead=660, framesPlayed=517, then jumped back to 361
14:36<warlord>then at framesRead=475/Played=390 it jumped forward to 513
14:36<Chutt>warlord, so, that's a start =)
14:37<warlord>it's almost as if it doesn't get frame-count pointers correct in the file..
14:37<Chutt>it's getting the framesPlayed number from the driver
14:38<warlord>not always.
14:38<Chutt>most of the time, though
14:39<warlord>well, it's caching a "long long framesPlayed"
14:39<warlord>there is also GetFramesPlayed()
14:40<Chutt>UpdateFramesPlayed is called every frame
14:40<Chutt>which grabs the number from the card, with GetFramesPlayed
14:43<Chutt>it's still partially calculated, so that'd be something to look at
14:43<Chutt>in UpdateFramesPlayed
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14:44<warlord>yes, I see that, but...
14:46<Rroet>Chutt: I've just watched 15mins of liveTV, and stuttering started again on channelchange :(
14:46<Chutt>rroet, so do something other than complain about it
14:46<Rroet>ok, what's a good way to debug it..
14:46<Chutt>i dunno
14:46<Rroet>only errors I'm now getting is standard prebuffering pauses
14:48<sfr>Rroet: you see a high load or the frontend using more cpu time than usual?
14:48<warlord>Chutt: what bitrate do you have set for livetv?
14:48<Rroet>sfr I'll try to check..
14:49<Rroet>sfr: if I use top to messure CPU usage, it will make playback stutter anyway.
14:49<warlord>Hmm.. One thing I noticed in ivtvdecoder.. if !hasFullPositionMap it assumes bitrate=8000; not sure if that's causing me problems.
14:50<Rroet>I'll check back again in about 15minutes.. I've just restarted my livetv stream.
14:50<Rroet>base cpu load now is 27.4 to 28.3 %
14:50<warlord>Rroet: how are you computing cpu load?
14:50<sfr>Rroet: use 'nice top' next time
14:51<Rroet>warlord: using top
14:51<Chutt>warlord, naw, that's just a guideline for how much it downloads at a time
14:51<Rroet>sfr: does it also apply to top -d 1 ... or am I being to brutal on the system?
14:51<Chutt>it shouldn't affect the framesPlayed stuff
14:51<warlord>Chutt: thanks.. *grasping at straws here* (thanks for the pointers)
14:51<Chutt>no problem
14:51<Chutt>i'd like to see your problems fixed :p
14:52<sfr>Rroet: yes
14:52<Rroet>sfr: the nice command doesn't fix my audio glitches ?
14:53<sfr>Rroet: no
14:53<Rroet>sfr: sorry, it wasn't a question.
14:53<Rroet>top -d1 will cause audio glitches when it updates. even with using the nice command
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15:07<Rroet>sfr: I have stuttering again.
15:07<Rroet>backend pops up to 18% usage, frontend varies from 35% to 48%
15:08<Rroet>right after changing the channel.
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15:09<sfr>Rroet: and you are using 720x576?
15:10<sfr>Rroet: i don't know how to help, just looking for similarities to the stuttering i see/saw.
15:10<Rroet>ok, np. getting the issue diagnosed is step 1 towards a solution :)
15:10<Rroet>I see myth is using up a load of memory.
15:11<Rroet>I have 512MB ddr onboard, and it's completely filled up.
15:11<Chutt>i doubt it's filled up.
15:12<Rroet>mm.. right after starting a liveTV stream it's getting to be eaten away
15:12<warlord>Rroet: it's filled up with cached buffers...
15:12<Rroet>about 4 meg every 2 seconds.
15:12<warlord>you can ignore that.
15:12<Rroet>warlord: jup.. ok
15:12<warlord>buffers "don't count" as used memory
15:13<thor_>although fluffers ...
15:13<Rroet>thor_: .... ;)
15:13<mdz>Chutt: looks like more than 1 in 10 deb users are installing the debug package, a lot more than I expected
15:13<Rroet>it's 700kbyte/sec t..
15:13<Rroet>only 137mb to go, lets see if it goes into swap as well.
15:13<Chutt>mdz, how many downloads?
15:13<mdz>Chutt: 217
15:14<Chutt>not bad
15:15<mdz>28 downloads of mythtv-debug
15:16<Rroet>obvious question. Is it a seperate module ?
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15:35<deanrantala>quick question.. does mythTV actually let you watch TV?
15:35<deanrantala>I know it is stupid
15:35<Rincev6>I just do that
15:35<deanrantala>But I don't see how it is supposed to work
15:36<Rincev6>why not?
15:36<deanrantala>wrong channel
15:36<deanrantala>I am working on freevo
15:36<deanrantala>my apologies
15:36<Rincev6>well - you define the channels you want to watch or record
15:36<sfr>so try mythTV then, deanrantala
15:36<Rincev6>and then you go to "tv" "watching" and there you go ;)
15:36<deanrantala>lol.. I would if it were not perl :(
15:37<deanrantala>Perl never works on slack
15:37<Rincev6>where is perl?
15:37<sfr>perl? mythTV is written in C++/Qt
15:37<sfr>and i seriously doubt that perl doesn't work on slackware
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15:38<deanrantala>One of the deps needed for mythTV is xmltv - wich needs perl
15:38<deanrantala>I have never been able to get anyhitng perl to work on slack
15:38<thor_>uhm, install the perl package?
15:38<warlord>then perhaps you should use a real working distribution
15:38<Chutt>maybe you should use a different distribution, then?
15:38<deanrantala>I have it
15:38<deanrantala>I have tried many different versions
15:38<deanrantala>never works
15:39<deanrantala>lol.. I can't even run frozen-bubbles
15:39<deanrantala>warlord: I have thought about gentoo, but I am so used to slack now after over a year of use
15:39<Chutt>wow, a whole year.
15:39<warlord>go with gentoo
15:40<sfr>deanrantala: so you really like python i guess
15:40<deanrantala>dunno - I'm not a programmer
15:40<thor_>what are those things that live in deep dark holes and eat children?
15:40<deanrantala>I just have never had much success with perl
15:41<AridWrk>i'm having a strange problem. I have a gentoo machine and a pvr250 running kernel 2.4.22 and I can watch livetv for a full day with no errors or crashes but when I setup recordings and go to sleep I wake up and the computer is frozen. Most times it has recorded the show but then it hard locks my machine. This happens with the frontend on as well as off
15:41<Chutt>deanrantala, so, do you have a reason to be in this channel at all?
15:41<Chutt>aridwrk, talk to the ivtv people.
15:41<deanrantala>guesse not.. sorry
15:41<AridWrk>ah I figured as much
15:41<deanrantala>thx anyway
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15:49<steelep>you around?
15:49<steelep>here is the preliminary spec for xml exports
15:49<Chutt>steelep, mythmusic patch anytime? =)
15:50<steelep>I still have quite a bit of work to do before its ready for use, but it gives you the idea of my direction
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15:50<steelep>mythmusic patch probably in a couple days depending on how badly I am bombarded here at work
15:51<thor_>just looking at top level, don't see disc number/disc count
15:51<pahli_bar>blasphemy ( i think he is using gtk
15:51<thor_>thought volume was loudness ;-)
15:51<o_cee>Chutt: i found a tiny bug for you.. enter watch recordings, disable auto delete on a show.. the status icons doesn't get updated until you re-enter the watch recording screen.
15:52<Chutt>pahli_bar, that makes perfect sense, though!
15:52<Chutt>pahli_bar, why not use a gtk app to configure a qt app?
15:52<Chutt>o_cee, ok
15:53<o_cee>Chutt: probably a one liner, but it'll take alot less tmie for you than me :)
15:53<Chutt>well, no, not really
15:53<Chutt>unless it reloads the list
15:53<pahli_bar>Chutt: heh. just kidding
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15:53<Chutt>pahli_bar, so was i :p
15:53<steelep>thor, I know this may look wierd, but everything should be easily extracted from the format, I'll have an xsl file that just stuffs it into an array suitable for inserttion into musicmetadata and videometadata
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15:54<thor_>steelep, while we're thinking about things, have a look at*checkout*/mfd/mfdlib/metadata.h?content-type=text%2Fplain&rev=1.6
15:54<thor_>those are all the data elements I'm thinking about
15:54<dcstimm>hey guys, I just got a new hdtv tv set, and I got VOOM, is there a way to record hdtv to my harddrive and display it back to my tv set?
15:55<thor_>PLUS, I keep meaning to add something that will be called MythChecksum (or something like that) which will be an MD5 checksum
15:56<thor_>so there's a couple things in there (date_added, date_modified, eq_presets, etc.) .... no way you have to add them all, but useful to have a look
15:56<steelep>sure, this schema I did is totally extendable
15:57<mikegrb>dcstimm: you have voom? isn't the startup cost around 800?
15:57<dcstimm>hello? thor_, steelep?
15:57<dcstimm>mikegrb, nope free
15:57<thor_>dcstimm, over the air hdtv yes ... ... encrypted stuff your satellite company sends you, not likely
15:57<mikegrb>dcstimm: really?
15:57<dcstimm>thor_, yeah I bought that card
15:57<thor_>steelep, yup
15:57<dcstimm>thor_, back order of 3 weeks
15:58<thor_>thanks to Myth :-)
15:58<mikegrb>dcstimm: I looked into it at one point and you had to purchase all the equipment up front
15:58<dcstimm>thor_, is there a way to get component inputs on a tv card?
15:58<steelep>the "launch" element is to lookup stuff on for music, sort of like imdb
15:58<dcstimm>mikegrb, nope free, until march, then they bill you $39 a month
15:59<thor_>dcstimm, component inputs do not magically give you a digital mpeg file
15:59<dcstimm>mikegrb, it was also a $7.99 service fee for them to install the satalite
15:59<dcstimm>thor_, okay, but cant I hook my receiver up to it, and get hdtv on my computer?
15:59<thor_>steelep, looks great :-)
16:00<thor_>dcstimm, on your computer monitor ?
16:00<thor_>but you might as well turn your computer off
16:01<thor_>think vga connectors, and the difference between input and output
16:01<steelep>I'll keep working on it during the week, this hopefulyy will have some demos going with it soon
16:01<dcstimm>i watched the super bowl in high def and now i am addicted to it
16:02<dcstimm>thor_, is there a box that can hook up to the dvi on my flat panel 19" monitor that can display hd to it?
16:02<thor_>hd over the air?
16:03<thor_>(why do I feel like this is going in circles)
16:03<dcstimm>but mostly from my hd box that voom gave me
16:03<dcstimm>it does have a dvi port on it
16:03<dcstimm>could i hook my monitor up to that port directly and get hd tv on my monitor?
16:04<thor_>depends on your monitor
16:04<thor_>and/or adaptor
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16:05<dcstimm>so there is no way to watch highdef on your computer?
16:05<dcstimm>other than that pchdtv card?
16:05<dcstimm>which only accepts over the air?
16:05<thor_>sure, you could move to Europs
16:05<thor_>and use a DVB system
16:05<pahli_bar>Chutt: i've been thinking about the treeview. some comments: treeview is essentially clumsy to use with a remote-input. even if we use a modified listbtntype for it, its still a treeview and carries over all the problems of it.
16:06<dcstimm>thor_, better technology?
16:06<steelep>we can use dvb in the us too, just not easily
16:06<pahli_bar>Chutt: alternate way of doing it. (on top text entry: 1. select by artist 2. by album 3. by genre)
16:06<thor_>agreement on how to encrypt bits and what you need to decrypt them
16:07<o_cee>(dvb is not HD tho)
16:07*thor_ is worried people don't _love_ his GenericTree stuff
16:07<steelep>can be o_cee
16:07<dcstimm>hd tv looks soo damn amazing
16:07<o_cee>steelep: can be.
16:07<steelep>I watch hbo and cbs in hd
16:07<dcstimm>the superbowl was so crystal clear
16:07<pahli_bar>Chutt: middle view: on left one listview with either artist/album/genre. on right listview with corresponding songs
16:07<o_cee>but, there's no hdtvs in europe yet
16:08<pahli_bar>Chutt: bottom: text entry showing details of current selection.
16:08<o_cee>thor_: btw, making albumart fallback to goom would be nice ;)
16:08<thor_>pahli_bar, left right to switch between them?
16:09<thor_>yeah, but not everyone has goom compiled in
16:09<pahli_bar>Chutt: additional enhancements - one selects an artist in left view (for artistview selection) - right shows songs. songs of different albums shown in different colors
16:09<o_cee>yeah but you know what i mean
16:09<o_cee>another viz
16:09<pahli_bar>thor_: left-right to switch between the left-right listviews
16:09<thor_>and that is different than the tree ?
16:10<pahli_bar>thor_: yes. one does need to expand-close a tree.
16:10<o_cee>i still think this needs to be seperated to another page in mythmusic
16:10<o_cee>not enough room
16:11<pahli_bar>thor_: additionally. easier to navigate between artists on left view. if you have a tree expanded going down will go into the subtree
16:11<thor_>I think we need a little rethink on a lot of UI stuff .... as there are just way too many key presses ...
16:11*pahli_bar hopes Chutt catches all that
16:12<pahli_bar>thor_: agreed. i will be working a prototype based on the ideas mentioned above and see if its really effective
16:12<thor_>but I've sat down to think about it a few times, and I get lost every time
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16:12<{aaron}>is this channel safe for newb questions? ;)
16:12<thor_>pahli_bar, excellent
16:12<o_cee>{aaron}: no
16:12*{aaron} cries
16:13<o_cee>dev channel mainly.
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16:13<pahli_bar>#mythv-users is there
16:13<o_cee>pahli_bar: you catched my suggestion the other day about mythmusic?
16:13<o_cee>{aaron}: yeah, go there and i'll help you if i can
16:13<pahli_bar>o_cee: no.
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16:14<{aaron}>thank you
16:14<o_cee>pahli_bar: seperating the playing screen from the playlist screen.. making two screens wich you can sliiiide between :)
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16:14<o_cee>or something like that.. not enough space to do anything fun out of it really
16:14<pahli_bar>o_cee: hmm... why do you want to hide the playlist
16:14<o_cee>pahli_bar: because it's to big
16:15<thor_>pahli_bar, I'd really like to get to a point where there's maybe 8 core keys (l,r,u,d, yes no menu back) and you can do _everything_ with those keys ... of course, you'd be able to assign keys to do lots of other shortcut stuff as well, but you'd never _need_ more than the core set
16:15<o_cee>you'd be able to have alot bigger playlist on another dedicated screen
16:15<pcjabber>was anyone using Axel's Myth-CVS after he cut it off bleeding?
16:15<thor_>but I have no idea how to do it
16:16<thor_>o_cee, I like the sliding playlist idea ...
16:16<pahli_bar>thor_: an inspiration could come from the monitor settings buttons
16:16<pahli_bar>s/the monitor/a computer monitor/
16:17<pahli_bar>thor_: basically have a transparent overlay menu to popup and do operations from there
16:17*thor_ plays with hie monitor controls
16:18<thor_>pahli_bar, and the popup will come up "over" tv, images, music display screen, etc. , ... uhm, I think
16:18<pcjabber>sounds good to me =)
16:18<pcjabber>its not my conversation, but i like the idea =)
16:18<pahli_bar>thor_: i can do it for mythdialogs. no idea about tv.
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16:19<thor_>if it works, adapting it to OSD would be easy
16:19<pahli_bar>thor_: thats one part of myth i never really delved into :(
16:19<pahli_bar>i will let you guys worry about it :)
16:20<thor_>heh, not that I actually know anything about the OSD
16:20<pahli_bar>ooh so many ideas... so tiny a brain...
16:20<thor_>anybody here have a Tivo ?
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16:21<pahli_bar>heh.... best source of inspiration there :)
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16:21<o_cee>thor_: they're not availible here :) there's no such thing as pvr's here.. heh
16:21<thor_>I've heard you can do almost anything with four arrows and an OK button on a Tivo
16:22<o_cee>good ui design in that case
16:22<pahli_bar>in mythgallery and mythnews- you can do almost everything with 4 arrows, yes, menu and info.
16:22<thor_>would be terrible if you always _had_ to use only 5 buttons, but excellent to be _able_ to do everything with 5 buttons
16:23<o_cee>time for bed
16:23<o_cee>tired as hell today
16:23<pahli_bar>thor_: it becomes more limiting/time-consuming to use only 5 buttons... but its very feasible
16:23<pahli_bar>o_cee: nighty-nite
16:23<Wildgoose>Can anyone help with a compile prob on latest cvs? (In videoout_xv.cpp)
16:24<Wildgoose>I'm getting a message about /usr/include/inttypes.h:396: syntax error before `__attribute__'
16:24<pahli_bar>Wildgoose: 0.14 was just out. why are using the cvs?
16:24<Wildgoose>oh, sorry, yes I'm using cvs
16:24<pcjabber>i think pahli_bar is asking *why* you are using cvs, since .14 is out
16:25<pahli_bar>Wildgoose: i know you are.. the question is why
16:25<thor_>probably not /usr/include/inttypes.h, probably something else included shortly before it
16:25<Wildgoose>err, well cvs is going to be about the same as 0.14 then...?
16:25<pcjabber>not much committed since yesterday
16:25<Wildgoose>Thanks Thor, actually I can't really see where it's coming from
16:25<Wildgoose>See full messages here:
16:26<Wildgoose>include -I../libmyth -I.. -Idvbdev -I../libavcodec -I/usr/qt/3/include -o videoout_xv.o videoout_xv.cpp
16:26<Wildgoose>In file included from ../libavcodec/common.h:88,
16:26<Wildgoose> from ../libavcodec/avcodec.h:14,
16:26<Wildgoose> from videoout_xv.cpp:26:
16:26<Wildgoose>/usr/include/inttypes.h:396: syntax error before `__attribute__'
16:26<Wildgoose>/usr/include/inttypes.h:414: syntax error before `__attribute__'
16:26<Wildgoose>repeats for a bit
16:26<Wildgoose>In file included from ../libavcodec/avcodec.h:15,
16:26<Wildgoose> from videoout_xv.cpp:26:
16:26<Wildgoose>../libavcodec/rational.h:35: syntax error before `__attribute__'
16:27<pcjabber>please try to use either #flood for long pastes
16:27<Wildgoose>needless to say, there is no literal "__attribute__" there
16:27<Wildgoose>sorry, looking at that link now
16:27<pcjabber>its quite useful =)
16:28<Wildgoose>hm, thanks
16:28<pcjabber>np =)
16:28<Wildgoose>Back to the error though... Can anyone help witha translation...?
16:29<pcjabber>sorry, not familiar with that section of code
16:29<o_cee>there's no merge errors from cvs update?
16:29<pcjabber>im lazy -- i compile from RPM whenever possible =p
16:29<thor_>Wildgoose, you do anything funky in
16:29<pcjabber>it could just be you co'ed (checked out) a bad copy of CVS
16:30<Wildgoose>Well, I have a fair number of code changes so I follow cvs so it merges in my changes
16:30<Wildgoose>I have the same cvs for quite a long time now
16:30<pcjabber>i.e. CVS had a problem when you co'ed it
16:30<Wildgoose>well it seems to have been like that all day
16:30<Wildgoose> has DVB, alsa in it
16:30<thor_>ah, DVB
16:30<thor_>I wonder
16:31<thor_>you might want to try just toggling that on and off and see if the error goes away
16:31<Wildgoose>hmm, the include paths changed here... I wonder
16:31<thor_>at least then you could be specific on a -dev post about what's throwing it off
16:32<o_cee>Wildgoose: you saw that error commited to right?
16:33<Wildgoose>hmm, yes, toggling on DVB is triggering the error
16:33<thor_>that all seemed to be in a state of flux
16:33<pcjabber>was anyone using Axel's Myth-CVS after he cut it off bleeding?
16:34<thor_>put on a -dev, someone will figure it out
16:34<Wildgoose>I notice that the include patch has changed to /usr/src/linux rather than the full patch to the include
16:34<o_cee>pcjabber: stop asking the same damn question
16:34<Wildgoose>I guess that this must be why, will try and trace through it
16:34<pcjabber>i'd just like to find out if anyone knows
16:34<thor_>probably part of it
16:40<Chutt>choenig, you really need to start breaking things up into smaller functions.
16:42<choenig>Chutt: yeah :) but this big mainloop keeps me doing so :\
16:42<Chutt>what big mainloop?
16:42<Chutt>the stuff in scheduler.cpp you added in this most recent patch can be moved out into a separate function with absolutely no problems
16:42<choenig>the scheduler loop
16:42<choenig>ok, I'll do so
16:43<Chutt>i already did
16:43<Chutt>the stuff in mythfrontend/main.cpp can also
16:43<Chutt>80 character lines
16:43<Chutt>nothing should wrap
16:43*thor_ starts to worry about all his enormous variable names
16:44<choenig>I installed an indicator for emacs which shows me the 80 char line. I only had one or two chars over 80. I thought that would be accaptable
16:45<choenig>and what about the "startup function" (ok, I'll put it into a seperate function =) ) ?
16:45<Chutt>+ blockShutdown
16:45<Chutt>+ = gContext->GetNumSetting("blockSDWUwithoutClient", 1);
16:45<Chutt>not when you're doing stuff like that
16:46<Chutt>that means you're indented way too far, and should move things into a new function.
16:48<choenig>I don't know, why I have such a problem introducing new functions. I didn't have that in the beginning here. I really will change that behaviour!
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16:59<pahli_bar>choenig: emacs ... auto-fill-mode ... happy-happy
16:59<thor_>ewww, emacs
16:59*pahli_bar pours hot molten lava on all vi users
17:00<thor_>ewww, vi
17:00*pahli_bar realizes he doesn't he need to do so. vi is enough punishment
17:00<thor_>I just write object code directly in khexedit, much more efficient
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17:03<pahli_bar>Chutt: just in case you didn't catch my chatter from before:
17:04<Chutt>i don't think that'd work.
17:04*pahli_bar apologizes for the http
17:04<Chutt>that's like how the ui works on the neuros
17:04<Chutt>and it's pretty horrible to use
17:05<Chutt>portable mp3/ogg player
17:05<Chutt>you can't select an artist, then select an album by them
17:06<pahli_bar>Chutt: three listviews then.
17:06<Chutt>going to the full list of albums is clunky, since there's so many of them
17:06<Chutt>really has to be arbitrary numbers
17:06<Chutt>what if someone wanted to sort by year?
17:06<Chutt>year -> genre -> artist -> album -> track
17:07*pahli_bar starts sobbing..
17:07<thor_>I like the tree .... I just wish there was a standardized way for the user to get a menu to do other things
17:07<Chutt>thor, mythpopupbox? :p
17:07<thor_>quite probably
17:07<thor_>cycle visualizer, turn on blanker, blah, blah ....
17:08<pahli_bar>what does an ipod use.. sliding views?
17:08<thor_>you can't have those just bound to keys and expect people to remember/find them
17:08<thor_>but one key that always brings up a menu works for me
17:08<Chutt>thor, yeah
17:09<Chutt>pahli_bar, i've never seen an ipod
17:09<thor_>and you still only need l, r ,u d, OK, back and menu
17:10<Chutt>all i know is that it's hard to use the neuros
17:10<Chutt>and one of the largest feature requests is to add more levels to the selection process
17:10<thor_>people can always flatten a tree
17:11<pahli_bar>Chutt: ipod has worse limitations than a myth-remote. if lots of people are happy with it, then the gui might be worth emulating
17:11<thor_>people rave about the iPod's interface ... but I've never seen one
17:12<thor_>mind you, people rave about reality tv shows
17:12<pahli_bar>my friend has an ipod. i will borrow it and play with it
17:13<Chutt>make it multi level
17:13<Chutt>for a tree like view
17:13<Chutt>like your settings for the news stuff
17:13<Chutt>but make it miniaturize the stuff on the left
17:13<pahli_bar>hmm. from the pictures on apple it seems to be nextstep like sliding trees
17:14<Chutt>so it looks really small
17:14<Chutt>and doesn't take up room
17:14<Chutt>if necessary
17:14<knight->i love my iPod, but it's interface could still use improvement
17:14<Chutt>could even animate it
17:14<Chutt>be all slick
17:15<Chutt>i dunno
17:15<Chutt>i'm just babbling =)
17:15<pahli_bar>Chutt: sounds reasonable. i will have to spend some time just doing some thought-experiments
17:16<knight->Chutt, what are you talking about changing?
17:16<thor_>and no matter what anyone comes up with, someone will still complain that their mouse pointer is disappearing
17:17<pahli_bar>didn't someone send a patch to enable the pointer
17:17<thor_>quite probably
17:19<pahli_bar>heh. ipod even has an easter egg.
17:19<Chutt>knight, music selection screen
17:19<knight->Chutt, ahh good, but you're not going to model it after a portable device I hope
17:20<pahli_bar>knight-: why not. seems like similar kind of key/screenspace limitations
17:20<knight->not really
17:20<knight->the kind of real estate is much larger
17:20<knight->640x480 compared to 300x100 generally at most
17:21<knight->we should try to implement something different and new
17:21<pahli_bar>knight-: its similar in the sense that people want big fonts on their tv and that sucks up lot of screenspace.
17:21<pahli_bar>knight-: don't we all :)
17:21<knight->something a little warmer than klunky portable device screens
17:22<knight->but those interfaces are horrible
17:22<Rincev6>is this normal? If I have a long timeshifting and I shift "back" to realtime, my machine stutters - becuase the ringbuffer is too full. I have to swithc to the menu and start live watching again to get that clean...
17:22<knight->that's my only complaint about the ipod... is the music selection process
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18:10<Slaytanic>Has anyone with Fedora tried the new 0.14 ATRPM:s? Any problems?
18:12<[DOA]Tarkie>i hope not, im doing that this week :)
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18:14<Slaytanic>Hehe, all right... Why not now?
18:14<Slaytanic>I'm just about to take the plunge and try...
18:15<[DOA]Tarkie>im off to bed :)
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18:17<Slaytanic>Ok, good night.
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18:22<gerhard>hi all, where do i find the new 0.14 ATRPM's
18:24<Chutt>same place the 0.13 ones were, most likely
18:26<Slaytanic>run apt-get update, then you should be able to upgrade
18:27<mdz>what is an ATRPM in contrast to an RPM?
18:27<gerhard>I only see 0.13
18:27<thor_>Absolutely Tremendous ?
18:28<Slaytanic> contains 0.14... If not, empty your cache.
18:28<Chutt>mdz, 'axel thimm'
18:28<Slaytanic>Chutt, does he hang around here?
18:29<Spida>can somebody help me a bit with my mythtv?
18:29<mdz>Chutt: is it a distinct package format, or just a name for a collection of RPMs?
18:29<gerhard>oops sorry and thanks, anyone installed it?
18:29<Chutt>mdz, that's the guy's name
18:29<Slaytanic>Just about to... :)O
18:29<Chutt>it's his collection of rpms
18:29<mdz>so can I call my debs "mdzdebs"?
18:29<Slaytanic>Quite a nice one, I must say...
18:29<Chutt>mdz, sure
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18:30<thor_>hmm .... thoriso
18:30<Spida>I am trying to set it up on a p3-933 with 512mb ram, 300GB harddisk, wintv-pvr350, SB Audigy and a Matrox G550 for Video (DVI and VGA) out
18:30<Spida>I have vanilla-2.4.24 with bytesex-patches for v4l2 installed, but I have problems everywhere
18:31<Spida>btw, I am on gentoo
18:31<rkulagow>mdz: i'm getting the following when doing a apt-get build-dist mythtv
18:31<rkulagow>W: Couldn't stat source package list unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
18:31<rkulagow>i had added to my sources.list as specified on your unstable page. any ideas?
18:31<Chutt>spida, ask on the users list if it's a mythtv problem
18:32<mdz>rkulagow: deb unstable main
18:32<mdz>rkulagow: is that what you have in sources.list?
18:33<rkulagow>mdz: sorry, a little more context. i've detailed what happens in the message "Re: [mythtv-users] XBOX Myth & FOCUS Video Chip"; don't want to rehash everything here (if you've got a minute)
18:33<mdz>rkulagow: -dev or -users?
18:33<mdz>marillat does seem to move his packages around every month or so
18:33<Spida>Chutt: would be cool if was just _a_ problem.... I have no TV, Gallery doesn't even start, remote does learn but not control, dvd/vcd have only sound, music has no visualisation and the whole thing crashes sometimes
18:33<mdz>but I just checked and is still valid
18:33<Chutt>spida, so ask on the users list.
18:34<Chutt>spida, this isn't a tech support channel.
18:34<Spida>Chutt: is the users-list better for that?
18:34<Chutt>since i've said to ask on it twice now
18:34<Chutt>i would _assume_ so
18:34<Spida>Chutt: ok, ok.
18:34<gerhard>has anybody installed mythtv 0.14 for redhat using apt-get?
18:35<Spida>Chutt: should I try the 0.14 versions first?
18:35<mdz>rkulagow: did you run apt-get update after changing sources.list?
18:36<mdz>rkulagow: the xbox is a 686 cpu, right? is there some reason that the precompiled debs won't work?
18:37<Chutt>spida, err, yes.
18:38*Slaytanic tries to upgrade to 0.14 via ATRPM...
18:39<gerhard>slaytanic, tell me how it goes with you upgrrade
18:40<Slaytanic>Will do... Just realized that I'm recording right now, gonna stop that first.
18:41<Spida>Chutt: is that "err" a "err, yes, of course, why are you asking" or a "err, perhaps, could work better"
18:41<Chutt>the first
18:41<Chutt>is there any reason why you _wouldn't_ try the latest version of a software package when you're having problems with an earlier version?
18:42<sfr>the windows experience?
18:42<Spida>Chutt: because I don't know if I have problems with THAT package
18:43<Spida>Chutt: or if I am just to stupid to configure it or if I broke other things
18:43<Spida>which kernel would you suggest? (I am on gentoo)
18:43<rkulagow>mdz: the xbox is a celeron 733; i prefer to compile from source to keep updated with CVS since i can therefore keep the HOWTO updated. plus, the masterbackend and the other frontend are CVS, and there have been protocol changes in the past that might make the .14 deb not work for long...
18:43<Chutt>i'd suggest that you use a distribution that more closely matches your linux experience
18:44<mdz>rkulagow: ah. so what happens when you run apt-get update?
18:44<pahli_bar>hear hear
18:46<rkulagow>mdz: booting now.
18:47<plac3bo>hi everyone- i'm a gentoo user and am trying to build mythbrowser but get dep errors, i pretty sure i'm missing the required KDE dev libs, but i am not sure whcih package(s) to merge...i merged kdevelop already, but i think that is a programming IDE, anyone know which package i need to merge?
18:47*pahli_bar rolls around laughing
18:48<sfr>add an e here and there, plac3bo ;)
18:49<sfr>plac3bo: mdz's debian packages dependencies might get you started
18:49<rkulagow>fuck. xbox isn't booting because it wasn't shutdown cleanly, doesn't have ssh running yet and i don't have a keyboard attached.
18:50<Spida>Chutt: like what?
18:50<Slaytanic>Ok, 0.14 installed... Let's see how it looks and works...
18:50<gerhard>just upgradet with apt-get on rh9 and everything looks good
18:50irc.freenode.netchanged the topic of #mythtv to: <-- 0.14 Released ... and this isn't a user support channel...
18:51<pahli_bar>gentoo users might have caused the most headaches for developers. its like you hear the word gentoo and you go uh oh
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18:52<rkulagow>YM "Yu-gi-oh!". HTH.
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18:52<Spida>pahli_bar: why?
18:53<Chutt>because all the l33t kids use gentoo
18:54<Slaytanic>And they're so proud of it, right?
18:54<choenig>Spida: probaly its like if you don't know how to compile a package, you should keep your hands off of gentoo
18:54<Spida>Chutt: may be, but not all gentoo users are l33t kids
18:54<gerhard>a small probl with mythweb "Warning at /var/www/html/mythweb/includes/init.php, line 119:"
18:54<Chutt>they're, in general, more annoying than users of other distros
18:54<Spida>choenig: how about using gentoo because LFS is just to much work?
18:54<Chutt>and have less of a clue
18:55<gerhard>anybody who knows what to do
18:55<choenig>Chutt: Slaytanic: gentoo runs quite well here ;-)
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18:55<choenig>Spida: I use gen, too
18:55<Slaytanic>Good for you. :) I'm sticking with Deb and RH/Fedora... :)
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18:56<pahli_bar>in the beginning it was all well and good. targetted towards experienced users.
18:56<Spida>I didn't want to start a distribution-war here...
18:56<knight->has anyone got the ivtv-fb to show bootup?
18:56<knight->linux kernel, etc
18:57<Chutt>knight, would need to be able to be loaded much earlier in the boot sequence
18:57<Chutt>and it would need the console palette fixed
18:57<knight->Chutt, true
18:57<Chutt>instead of the current black on black
18:57<knight->it would just be nice to have something showing on the screen while it boots
18:57<knight->I wanted bootsplash to show :)
18:57<Chutt>yeah, i'd agree with that
18:58<knight->a special MythTV bootsplash
18:58<Slaytanic>knight-: You're talking about using a PVR350, right?
18:58<pahli_bar>that reminds me... Chutt, the plugins are compiled with -O3 default. some g++ versions are known to have produced broken code at such optimizations. maybe we should use a less aggressive optimization where its not needed
18:58<knight->Slaytanic, that's correct.
18:58<choenig>Spida: I think the problem is not the basic flame-war. I think its that there are too many gentoo users, who don't know what there are doing, and gentoo isn't a distro wich is fine for linux beginners
18:58<Chutt>pahli_bar, sure, that's fine
18:58<pahli_bar>Chutt: even in the core module... only where its needed
18:59<Slaytanic>That's on my "to do" list... I want to use the PVR350 for my TV and the VGA output for my projector...
18:59<mdz>I've read that a dozen times and it's still funny
18:59<Chutt>there it's harder, since qmake doesn't really seem to do cflags on a per-file basis
18:59<Chutt>mdz, that the aim guy?
18:59<mdz>Chutt: yep
18:59<Chutt>err, whatever
18:59<choenig>mdz: hmmm :)
18:59<Spida>choenig: my problem is, that i have some linux experience (like 6 years) but most of them on server or overaged machines, so when it comes to multimedia, I am sort of new
18:59<Morph>mdz: haha
19:00<Chutt>gaim, not aim
19:00<Chutt>yeah, it's hilarious
19:00<Chutt>and 100% true
19:00<pahli_bar>what the hell does it mean.
19:00<sfr>mdz: funny
19:00<choenig>Spida: having linux experience normaly also is mailinglist experience... so, remember what Isaac told you?
19:01<Chutt>pahli_bar, what, the username stuff?
19:01<pahli_bar>yes (clueless pahli_bar)
19:01<Chutt>do a /whois on yourself
19:01<Slaytanic>Spida: Just like me... Linux on the desktop is a totally different matter than running servers like Apache etc...
19:01<pahli_bar>Chutt: ok i get it. :)
19:01<Chutt>see where it has your username?
19:02<Chutt>that can be overridden by the irc client
19:02<Chutt>heh, ok =)
19:03<bline>thor: did you write mythvideo?
19:04<Chutt>just a little bit ago
19:05<Slaytanic>Speak of the devil... ;)
19:05<plac3bo>spida: i'm the same way, all my linux experience prior to mythtv has been 99% thru a ssh term dealing with server apps like apache/tomcate/etc
19:05<Chutt>just look at those compile options
19:05<pahli_bar>my god. look at the options
19:06<pahli_bar>freebsd says clearly any bug reports with optimizations greater than -O2 won't be accepted (at least for the core)
19:07<Chutt>that makes sense
19:08<choenig>gentoo normaly has -O3, but the .ebuild guy could limit that to -o2, that it fits the BSD needs
19:09*Spida should _REALLY_ go to bed NOW
19:10<Spida>have to be up again in 250 minutes
19:10<Slaytanic>Ugh... Good night then.
19:11<warlord>Chutt: in ivtvdecoder, should framesRead and framesPlayed be approximately the same number?
19:14<Spida>good night (or whatever daytime it is in your timezone)
19:14<mdz>Chutt: hey I have an idea to improve optimization. rather than turning all of the optimization options on, someone should go through and figure out which optimizations actually improve performance in the general case, and are unlikely to result in slower code
19:14<Slaytanic>1.14 am, CET :)
19:14<mdz>Chutt: then they could make a special flag for gcc to turn on only those optimizations
19:15<sfr>Spida: hm, you can't be a student, then.
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19:15<sfr>Spida: good night
19:15<pahli_bar>mdz: usually the gui code don't benefit from higher optimizations.
19:15*mdz passes his hands over the gcc source code and -O2 arises
19:16<mdz>pahli_bar: a lot of those options actually make things slower
19:16<mdz>like loop unrolling
19:17<pahli_bar>mdz: the only code i have seen benefit from loop unrolling is in scientific codes and that too the developer of the code has any hints to as to how much unrolling should be done
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19:20<thor_>bline, parts of it
19:21<Slaytanic>Hmmm, just upgraded to 0.14 (atrpm), and now the remote won't work...
19:21<Slaytanic>What should I check first?
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19:22<sfr>batteries. sorry, couldn't resist
19:22<Slaytanic>Lol, good one!
19:22<Slaytanic>irw gives me "connection refused"...
19:23<mdz>Slaytanic: lircd running?
19:23<pahli_bar>permissions on /dev/lirc*
19:23<Slaytanic># service lircd status
19:23<Slaytanic>lircd dead but subsys locked
19:23<Slaytanic>Guess it died during boot...
19:25<Slaytanic>Ok, lircd started ok again but irw says nothing... Weird.
19:25<bline>thor: what do you think about having a base class for the two different views, tree and browse?
19:26<thor_>are they not both MythThemed Dialogs?
19:26<bline>mainly for handling things like getting a list of viewable movies and playing movies in a consistent way
19:26<Slaytanic>What should the permissions on /dev/lirc be?
19:26<thor_>bline, yup ... absolutely
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19:27<bline>thor, actually, one if MythThemed and the other is MythDialog
19:27<thor_>'cept the tree view has the option to ignore the database and just browse files
19:27<bline>thor, cool, I'll work on that
19:27<thor_>converting to MythThemedDialog should not be difficult
19:27<thor_>well, not _too_ difficult
19:28<Chutt>warlord, they should be reasonably close, yeah
19:28<bline>yeah, it doesn't look too hard
19:28<Chutt>not exact, though
19:28<pahli_bar>why is mythdialog not inherited from qdialog
19:29<Chutt>caused problems
19:29<Chutt>and it's not a top level dialog
19:29<Chutt>it's just a frame being shown in the mainwindow class
19:30<pahli_bar>Chutt: actually its nice this way. i'm writing a mythscrolldialog now.. just copy and paste :)
19:30<Chutt>will be very useful for help text and stuff
19:31<thor_>aac decoding is working
19:31<Chutt>using libfaad or whatnot natively?
19:31<warlord>Chutt: that's what I was afraid of.. As processing continues, the spread between the framesRead and framesPlayed is constantly increasing (until I perform a seek at which point they are re-synced)
19:31<Chutt>or the libavformat/codec class
19:32<thor_>now to pull out the metadata properly
19:32<Chutt>warlord, how far apart do they get?
19:32<warlord>At one piint I measured them as 439 apart
19:32<Chutt>yeah, that's not right
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19:32<warlord>(after about 5-10 mins)
19:32<warlord>another time 348.
19:33<warlord>The longer I wait between skips, the further apart they drift
19:33<Chutt>that is only 15 seconds or so, but...
19:33<Chutt>it's definitely an indication that something's off
19:34<warlord>Well, this is with a pre-recorded program so it has the full position map already..
19:34<warlord>I hope I'm at least heading in the right direction...
19:35<warlord>Mind if I ask what the point of "framesRead" is? Why is it kept as a different counter than framesPlayed?
19:35<Chutt>framesRead is what it's read off the disk
19:35<Chutt>played is what the card says it's actually played so far
19:35<Chutt>it does buffer a little, but that should be 15 frames or less
19:36<warlord>Right.. It ALMOST looks like it's buffering an extra 15 frames per second of video..
19:36<warlord>(or at least accounting for that)
19:36<Slaytanic>"irw" gives me no output at all, any idea why? I upgraded mythtv to 0.14 using ATrpms, also upgraded ivtv-kmdl...
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19:37<Slaytanic>I see now that lircd isn't running, despite just being started... I'll go debugging...
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19:44<knight->the pvr-350 output is horrible :)
19:44<Slaytanic>Too bad :/
19:47<Slaytanic>What did you do? Play live TV?
19:48<Slaytanic>Anyone... What should the permissions on /dev/lirc be?
19:49<Slaytanic>Mine are c---------
19:50<pahli_bar>Slaytanic: if you want to be able to read it what should be permissions be
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19:51<plac3bo>slay: my perms are crw-r--r--
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20:00<Slaytanic>Ok thanks!
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20:10<Slaytanic>Ok, here goes... insmod complains that it can't find the bttv module, but I'm not using it! I have a PVR350 card with ivtv modules... What causes this? Everything worked before I upgraded...
20:11<Slaytanic>Feb 3 01:29:55 localhost insmod: /lib/modules/ init_module:No such device
20:11<Slaytanic>Feb 3 01:29:55 localhost insmod: /lib/modules/ insmod bttv failed
20:11<Slaytanic>From my messages file...
20:12<knight->Slaytanic, check your /etc/modules.conf for a bttv
20:13<Slaytanic>Nopes, nothing there! I've compared my modules.conf with my backed up one from yesterday, almost no differences...
20:14<knight->something is telling it to load
20:14<knight->grep your directories for bttv
20:15<Slaytanic>Nothing in /etc anyway... Where else should I check?
20:15<Slaytanic>in the /etc dir I mean, not the subdirs...
20:16<Slaytanic>I upgraded the kernel too, maybe I should try the old one...
20:16<Slaytanic>All through atrpms...
20:16<warlord>Chutt: ok, here's another question for you... shouldn't the positionMap of the current frame be pretty close to the GetTotalReadPosition() of the ring buffer?
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20:17<warlord>DoRewind: desired=136, keyPos=3205158, curPos=9601024, curKeyPos=6942758, diff=-6395866
20:17<warlord>I would expect curPos and curKeyPos to be pretty close..
20:25<warlord>Ok, here's another example. watching livetv in real-time (no skips/ff/rew), after a while I tried to skip-back 5 seconds:
20:25<warlord>DoRewind: desired=14019, keyPos=349943846, curPos=427819008, curKeyPos=354156582, diff=-77875162
20:25<warlord>seek reset frame = 14004, framesRead = 17120, framesPlayed = 14169, skip = 15, exact = 0
20:25<warlord>IvtvDecoder::SeekReset: 14169 -> 14005
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20:26<warlord>This is a diff of framesRead-framesPlayed -> 2951
20:27<warlord>I think the problem is that framesPlayed is increasing too slowly.
20:27<warlord>I'm fairly sure that framesRead is accurate...
20:29<enki>i need a remote
20:32<Slaytanic>Here, have mine, it stopped working.... :/
20:33<enki>i wonder if i should just scrounge up one i got laying around
20:33<enki>or buy a new one w/ tons of buttons
20:34<Slaytanic>Go for the old one first... You don't need lotsa buttons for watching TV with myth,,
20:34<enki>is there a list of buttonmaps that mythtv uses?
20:34<enki>i mean, is there a standard set, or does it change from module to module?
20:35<enki>and lirc just maps remote buttons to keyboard strokes right?
20:35<Slaytanic>Kind of, yeah... Most Myth modules share the same keys.
20:35<Slaytanic>Have a look:
20:36<gerhard>I have a small issue with TV-OUT, horizontal lines flicker like hell, any idea how to get rid of it. I use a Nvidia mx400 card
20:37<Slaytanic>Have you tried different screen resolutions?
20:37<Chutt>warlord, that sounds reasonable
20:37<Chutt>warlord, are you sure there's nothing in there that's set to pal mode?
20:37<gerhard>I use tv-out pal
20:38<warlord>Chutt: I'm fairly sure, but not 100% sure... I haven't set anything to pal mode, but I'm happy to take a look. Where are the potential PAL settings?
20:39<warlord>I've got nothing in modules.conf that would set ivtv to pal-mode.
20:39<Chutt>that's all, really
20:39<warlord>my recordings are all 29.97fps
20:39<Chutt>you could test that theory
20:39<Chutt>by putting some statements in UpdateFramesPlayed
20:40<Chutt>and seeing how many frames it says it's played in a given time period
20:40<Chutt>it'd let you see if it really was slow or not
20:41<warlord>suggestions for measuring a time period?
20:41<knight->"Couldn't find Xv support" with the ivtv-fb output... is that right?
20:42<Chutt>knight, yup
20:42<Chutt>you apparently haven't enabled the decoder in settings.
20:42<Chutt>or are trying to play back a non-mpeg2 file.
20:42<knight->just livetv and prerecordered
20:43<knight->oh is that what DirectFB is for?
20:43<knight->I only enabled USING_IVTV
20:43<Chutt>err, no.
20:44<Chutt>why aren't you following the stuff in the ivtv docs about how to set things up?
20:44<knight->I did
20:44<knight->I followed to the t. :)
20:44<Chutt>You should see mythfrontend load. Go to Settings/TV Setting/Playback and on
20:44<Chutt>the second (I think) screen check the "Use PVR-350" thing. Make sure it says
20:44<Chutt>/dev/video16 in the box.
20:44<Chutt>you didn't do that
20:44<knight->ah ha, indeed i didnt
20:45<knight->shoot me now
20:45<knight->atleast 3 times
20:45<Slaytanic>Bang bang bang...
20:48*warlord is waiting for commercial so I can restart.. (so as not to annoy wife more than I have to)
20:49<knight->no sound with pvr-350 playback enabled heh
20:49<warlord>knight-: are you connected to the pvr-350 sound outputs?
20:50<Slaytanic>But she's not annoyed by the fact that you're IRC:ing next to her? :)
20:50<knight->they added sound ouputs?
20:50<warlord>Slaytanic: she's Yahoo'ing to her friend on her laptop -- why can't I IRC on mine?
20:50<warlord>knight-: Uh, the 350 always had sound outputs (on the same dongle as the video outputs)
20:51<Slaytanic>Hehe... Sounds like my apartment... GF and I both watching TV with laptops in our laps...
20:51<warlord>Slaytanic: yep. :)
20:51<warlord>and the dog swaps between us...
20:51<Slaytanic>I'd like to see if I can get this mess before I go to bed...
20:52<Slaytanic>I have Fedora installed through Jarods guide... Had 0.13 working fine until an hour ago when I upgraded to 0.14.
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20:52<Slaytanic>I also upgraded ivtv and the kernel, all through ATrpms...
20:52<Slaytanic>Now ivtv and lirc refuse to work, ivtv won't load and lircd dies.
20:53<Slaytanic>Do I need to reinstall the lirc and ivtv packages now that I have a "new" kernel? It seems to have the same version number as the last one....
20:53<warlord>Chutt: yep, it's definitely pulling in 30 fps
20:53<warlord>Slaytanic: did you also update to ivtv-0.1.9?
20:53<warlord>Slaytanic: you changed KERNELS?
20:54<Slaytanic>This will sound stupid, but I'm not sure what happened... I just updated the system with apt-get,
20:54<Slaytanic>I did the following:
20:55<Slaytanic># apt-get update
20:55<Slaytanic># apt-get install mythtv-suite
20:55<Slaytanic># apt-get install ivtv-kmdl-$MYKERNEL ivtv
20:55<knight->warlord, yeah ok i see
20:55<knight->thought they were optional
20:56<Slaytanic>kernel#2.4.22-1.2149.nptl_2.4.22-1.2149.nptl_athlon.rpm was installed too, I guess it was a depend...
20:56<Slaytanic>No wait, that was an old package. Ignore.
20:57<Slaytanic>warlord: So yes, I upgraded to ivtv 0.1.9 in the process...
20:57<warlord>Chutt: Ok, so framesPlayed appears to be correct at 30/sec. But framesRead is more like 37.6
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20:59<Chutt>i don't see how that's right.
20:59<Chutt>maybe it's double counting some frames?
21:00<Chutt>i'm not sure how best to check for that
21:00<warlord>me, either.
21:00<warlord>let me verify:
21:01<warlord>played: 127/5 == 25.400000 fps; read: 192->38.400000 fps
21:01<warlord>played: 154/5 == 30.800000 fps; read: 185->37.000000 fps
21:01<warlord>played: 150/5 == 30.000000 fps; read: 180->36.000000 fps
21:01<warlord>played: 150/5 == 30.000000 fps; read: 182->36.400000 fps
21:01<warlord>I decided to take 5-second samples.
21:03<Chutt>makes sense
21:05<Chutt>so, figure out if it's double counting things =)
21:05<warlord>Yep, I'm tracing back from MpegPreProcessPkt now..
21:06<Chutt>it's rather nice to only have to give vague debugging instructions
21:06<mdz>any mythweb people around?
21:06<thor_>make it better
21:07<warlord>Chutt: I told you that once I came up to speed on the code I'd be fairly self sufficient, but without code comments it makes it MUCH harder to come up to speed with what's _supposed_ to be going on.
21:07<Chutt>chris petersen's the only real developer
21:07<Chutt>warlord, takes time to write comments
21:07<Chutt>i don't have much extra time :(
21:07<josephk>developers developers developers
21:07<mdz>chris petersen = captain_murdoch?
21:07<warlord>takes time to track down bugs, too..
21:07<Chutt>mdz, no, captain_murdoch is chris pinkham
21:07<mdz>oh, the other Chris
21:08<Chutt>the mythweb guy doesn't come in here
21:08<thor_>mdz, no petersen has never been in here (that I've seen)
21:08<warlord>anyways -- I should look at this code some more.
21:08<Chutt>warlord, and, i didn't write most of ivtvdecoder =)
21:08<mdz>mythweb should have hardcoded defaults for its config options, and then let them be overridden by conf.php
21:08<Chutt>so don't blame me =)
21:08<mdz>otherwise you need to mess with conf.php on every upgrade
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21:10<livesNbox>hey guys -- anyone ever built an IR transmitter for use with mythtv ?
21:12<cmorgan>the enrique vidal improved transmitter works quite well
21:12<livesNbox>i'm just confused on what serial pin to connect to the transmitter
21:13<livesNbox>is it pin 7 that's the DTR ?
21:13<cmorgan>it tells you on the schematic
21:13<cmorgan>find the pinout for a serial port
21:13<cmorgan>and ensure that you are looking at it the correct way, ie, that you haven't flipped it over
21:14<livesNbox>looks like pin 4
21:14<thor_>if (!noGapless)
21:14<thor_>who write code like that?
21:14<Captain_Murdoch>mdz, just run "cvs update" from your mythweb dir on the website. :) let it merge in the conf.php changes.
21:14<Captain_Murdoch>nevermind, you mean packages probably. :)
21:14<mdz>Captain_Murdoch: yep
21:14<thor_>gap --> negated (gapless) --> negated (noGapless) ---> test for negation (!noGapless)
21:15<Captain_Murdoch>that's why I started running "cvs update" in that dir because I got tired of merging in changes.
21:15<Chutt>thor, i do stuff like that all the time
21:15<mdz>that's better than !!gapless
21:15<Chutt>captain_murdoch, that's how i do things
21:15<Chutt>there's actually a use for !!
21:16<Chutt>only in silly languages without a bool type, though
21:16<thor_>how about friggin; if(gap)
21:17<Chutt>thor, mfd has a way to turn off gapless playback or something?
21:17<thor_>this is the faad stuff
21:17<mdz>code that uses !! is broken
21:17<Chutt>mdz, forces the value to 0 or 1
21:17<mdz>I know
21:17<mdz>but ?: is clearer
21:17<mdz>and when ?: is clearer you know it's bad
21:18<Chutt>i hate ?:
21:18<mdz>better than !!
21:18*pahli_bar hides
21:18<thor_>if, else, and lots of comments (call me crazy)
21:18<Chutt>!!'s probably faster
21:18<Chutt>well, no probably about it
21:18<mdz>I accept the challenge
21:18<Chutt>not that i'd use either
21:19<thor_>bah, that's like claiming << is faster
21:19<thor_>or >>
21:19<thor_>or whatever that thing is
21:19<mdz>Chutt: they assemble to exactly the same code
21:19<mdz>er, compile
21:20<mdz>even without -O
21:20<pahli_bar>mdz: if else or << >>
21:21<mdz>static int Chutt(int value) {
21:21<mdz> return !!value;
21:21<mdz>static int mdz(int value) {
21:21<mdz> return value ? 1 : 0;
21:21<mdz>pahli_bar: those two
21:21<pahli_bar>!!value == value isn't it
21:22<mdz>pahli_bar: see above
21:22<gerhard>what happend to the picturecontrol in 0.14, nothing happens if I press F1, F2 etc??
21:22<mdz>gerhard: 'g' I think
21:22<pahli_bar>g in recordings
21:23<pahli_bar>f in livetv
21:23<pahli_bar>mdz: ah.
21:23<gerhard>ahh thanks
21:29<cfreeze>anyone seen this error ripping a dvd? ERROR: file I/O problem in 'safe_write()': Input/output error
21:29<cfreeze>it made the vob, but not transcode it
21:30<thor_>does it say libdvdread: before the ERROR ?
21:30<thor_>you sure the VOB is complete ?
21:31<cfreeze>not "sure" but it's big enough to be...
21:31<thor_>ff ?
21:32<cfreeze>drives not full, ffmpeg is installed
21:32<cfreeze>not sure what else you might have meant
21:32<thor_>fast forward
21:32<thor_>(see if vob is all there)
21:32<cfreeze>it's on the mythbox, have to scp it over to hear
21:33<cfreeze>here rather
21:33<thor_>dunno where that's coming from
21:33<cfreeze>going to take a while for 6 gigs
21:34<thor_>mtd log say anything ?
21:34<cfreeze>have to kill it and restart it in the xterm
21:34<cfreeze>did that last night, but didn't see anything other than that error
21:34<thor_>just look in the log
21:35<cfreeze>it in the dir?
21:35<thor_>locate mtd.log
21:35<thor_>(unless you specifically ran it from a console)
21:36<cfreeze>naa...but I don't have slocate installed on it
21:36<thor_>top of you dvdrip directory
21:37<cfreeze>nothing in that dir
21:37<cfreeze>except the vob
21:37<cfreeze>err correction, nothing in that dir
21:37<cfreeze>the vob is in the video dir
21:38<thor_>vob in video dir = perfect rip
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21:38<cfreeze>good rip, no transcode though. I would expect the file to be transcoded down from the 6gig file to something reasonable
21:39<cfreeze>or is that not the way it works in myth?
21:39<Chutt>if you set it up to do that
21:39<cfreeze>it also looked like when it was ripping the vob, it wrote it directly to the vid dir
21:39<thor_>it transcodes if you tell it to do something other than perfect quality
21:39<cfreeze>and perfect rip also means write it directly to the vid dir?
21:40<cfreeze>(just to make sure I havn't messed something up)
21:40<thor_>no intermediate files
21:40<cfreeze>aah...ok...makes sense now
21:41<cfreeze>one thing though, when I selected from the webfrontend to change themes, I'm getting an error
21:41<cfreeze>I've crawed through the DB to find where to reset it back to default but didn't find anything in the settings table
21:42<warlord>Chutt: do you mind if I restructure the code a bit to reduce "duplicated" code?
21:42<warlord>(in ivtvdecoder)
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22:04<cfreeze>on separate backends, should the paths all point to the same locations (ie, I have nfs mounts)
22:04<cfreeze>or should each backend, have their own directories?
22:05<hadees>alright i should know this but i don't, i can't get irw or irxevent to work right, i was able to record the IR signals from my remote but i get connect: Connection refused when i try to do irw
22:05<hadees>and somthing similar with irxevent
22:05<hadees>anyone know why i am getting these errors
22:05<hadees>i used an ebuild for lirc and libirman
22:06<hadees>i am using an irman on ttyS0
22:06<cfreeze>hadees: if you have lirc in your USE line, it should pick it up automatically
22:06<cfreeze>no need to use irxevent
22:06<hadees>is lirc support good enough to use yet?
22:06<hadees>i haven't been following it
22:06<cfreeze>not a prob for me, been working nicely
22:07<hadees>do you still configure the keys the same?
22:07<cfreeze>in your .lircrc file
22:07<hadees>well i'll try it
22:08<cfreeze>you may need the .7 build of lirc if you are using a 2.6 kernel
22:08<cfreeze>it's in portage but masked
22:09<Chutt>warlord, go right ahead
22:09<Chutt>cfreeze, read mythweb's readme, it tells you how to reset the theme
22:09<cfreeze>Chutt: just copied the default
22:10<cfreeze>then changed it back to default
22:10<warlord>Chutt: ok. thanks.
22:10<warlord>It's almost looking like a fencepost error, but that doesn't match up, either.
22:10*warlord is just really confused about this.
22:11<cfreeze>is it ok to have separate backends point to the same directory or nfs?
22:12<cfreeze>it's not mentioned in 9.3 of the docs
22:14<mdz>cfreeze: if I answer, will you add it to the docs?
22:16<cfreeze>would if I could
22:16<mdz>why couldn't you?
22:16<mdz>vi mythtv-HOWTO.sgml; cvs diff -u mythtv-HOWTO.sgml
22:17<cfreeze>no commit access
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22:17<warlord>Hmm, what's packet type 1ff?
22:17<cfreeze>could email it, but it's a one liner for anyone with commit access
22:17<warlord>ot 1ba?
22:19<mdz>cfreeze: please do
22:19<cfreeze>who's the doc maintainer
22:20<cfreeze>aah Robert
22:21<cfreeze>never mind, found it out by experimenting
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22:29<warlord>Chutt: what are the odds of 00000100 occurring in the middle of a frame?
22:30<mdz>it's amazing how reluctant people are to lift a finger to help the project after getting free support all evening
22:31<cfreeze>wasn't relucant, just was going to way for a yes or no answer
22:31<cfreeze>I'll still email it off though
22:31<cfreeze>wasn't going to wait rather...
22:31<cfreeze>as you can tell it's late
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22:39*warlord screams in frustration...
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22:52<mchou>does the "default behavior" multiple tuner conflict resolution in .14 still record as much as it can one one tuner, or are there other "default" modes available now, like "use as many free tuners as early as possible?"
22:55<warlord>mchou: it hasn't changed.
22:59<mchou>hmm, I thought there was some earlier discussion for two default modes......
23:00<mchou>so I guess it didn't make it to .14 then.....
23:01<warlord>nope, it was delayed
23:02<mchou>on the mailing list there's also some talk about conflict resolution code being changed (got impression it's drastic), is that just rumor, or is there substance to that?
23:03<mchou>warlord, do you know if there was a technical reason why it was delayed (like not working right)?
23:04<warlord>I think a) he hadn't finished it completely, and b) didn't want to destabilize the code just before the release.
23:04<warlord>The discussion only occured last week!
23:04<mchou>hmm, tought it was earlier than that :)
23:04<warlord>maybe it was 2 weeks ago..
23:05<mchou>yeah, that's what I thought :)
23:05<warlord>same differece.
23:06<mchou>warlord, so who is making changes to conflict resolution logic (who did you mean by "*he* hadn't finished it completely")
23:07<warlord>I thought you said you were reading the mailing list?
23:07<mchou>yeah, but I can't keep names straight :)
23:07<warlord>well, why do you expect me to?
23:08<mchou>no, just hoping you knew offhand....
23:08*warlord is currently heads-down trying to figure out why ivtv-out is reading 35-40fps but only playing 30fps
23:09<Chutt>so no luck?
23:10<warlord>Chutt: no.. I can't see anything wrong...
23:10<warlord>unless ivtv is accepting the write() but then dropping packets.
23:10<warlord>but that wouldn't explain why it's doing this in livetv but when using a pre-recorded file.
23:10<warlord>er, but NOT when...
23:11<Chutt>so you can't tell if it's double counting from picture starts?
23:11<warlord>It doesn't look like it's double-counting.
23:12<warlord>(and again, why would it double-count on livetv but not a pre-recorded show?)
23:13<Chutt>i dunno
23:13<warlord>(it was a rhetorical question -- if you knew we'd have solved this already)
23:14<warlord>Unless it's possible to get a "00000100" in the mpeg stream in the middle of a packet, I dont' see how it could double-count.
23:14<warlord>(if it IS possible, then that would explain the double-counting)
23:14<Chutt>there's that little bit that copies the last 3 bytes over
23:14<Chutt>to grab frame headers split on the boundary
23:14<Chutt>might possibly be the culprit
23:15<Chutt>last bit of the process packet call
23:15<warlord>yea, I see it.
23:15<warlord>it looks right, but I'll look again..
23:15<Chutt>yeah, everything looks right to me as well
23:15<Chutt>you say this only affects live tv?
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23:16<warlord>it affects live-tv and also currently-recording programs.
23:16<warlord>but finished recordings are fine.
23:16<Chutt>does it start after a seek, or immediately?
23:17<warlord>The wrong number of framesRead? Starts immediately
23:17<Chutt>i'll try to reproduce
23:17<Chutt>think my wife's recordings are finished
23:17<warlord>Want me to send you my patch so far -- it'll print out all the info for ya.
23:17<dblevins>I saw notes a cygwin port of the mythfrontend, great!!! Is that at all runnable?
23:17<warlord>ok.. stdby
23:18<hadees>alright i should know this but i don't, i can't get irw or irxevent to work right, i was able to record the IR signals from my remote but i get connect: Connection refused when i try to do irw
23:18<warlord>I hope I fixed all the tab issues ;)
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23:18<Chutt>eh, if it's just a debugging patch, i don't mind
23:18<hadees>the weird thing about this all is that i could record
23:19<warlord>Well, it also has a bit of code-restructuring to remove some code-duplication.
23:19<Chutt>i'll probably pull that out :p
23:19<Chutt>at least while i'm testing stuff
23:20<warlord>Ok. I did it to make the code a bit more clear.
23:21<warlord>ok, patch in the mail
23:22<Chutt>where'd you send it?
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23:22<Chutt>that's usually fast
23:22<warlord>wrong place?
23:23<Chutt>no, just hasn't shown up yet?
23:23<Chutt>err, no ?
23:23<Chutt>i'll just have to wait
23:23<warlord>should be there shortly...
23:23<warlord>(faster than US Mail ;)
23:27<warlord>well, it was accepted by at 11:21
23:28<Chutt>and that's just forwarding it on
23:28<Chutt>send it to
23:28<Chutt>if you don't mind
23:28<warlord>not at all.
23:29<warlord>away it goes.
23:30<Chutt>see, that was instantaneous
23:30<warlord>maybe case is having a meltdown right now
23:31<Chutt>wouldn't be surprised
23:39<hadees>inorder to use native lirc support once i compiled it into mythtv do i need to enable it in the settings?
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