| --- | Log | opened Thu Feb 17 00:00:03 2005 |
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| 00:17 | rkulagow_ | i guess dopester isn't here. |
| 00:17 | rkulagow_ | i got my Air2PC installed. |
| 00:17 | rkulagow_ | (figured he'd be jazzed) |
| 00:18 | Chutt | heh |
| 00:18 | Chutt | i still have to do that :( |
| 00:18 | rkulagow_ | i set it up on a new box instead of integrating with my existing. |
| 00:18 | rkulagow_ | running gentoo. wasn't too terrible. |
| 00:19 | rkulagow_ | now i just need to see if it's capturing |
| 00:20 | rkulagow_ | and to figure out udev. |
| 00:20 | Chutt | heh |
| 00:20 | warlord | anyways, g'night all. |
| 00:20 | warlord | thanks, Chutt |
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| 00:53 | rkulagow_ | so i just used the last port on my 1x8 amp/splitter |
| 00:58 | Captain_Murdo | | I need to get another one for my air2pc card so I can get another one of those and hook it to the same antenna. no QAM for me it appears from when I did my scan. |
| 01:02 | rkulagow_ | well, i don't know yet how to interpret what azap was telling me, dopesters not here, and i'm not even sure i have all the device nodes setup correctly yet |
| 01:03 | rkulagow_ | this mean anything to you? |
| 01:03 | rkulagow_ | azap wycc |
| 01:03 | rkulagow_ | using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0' |
| 01:03 | rkulagow_ | tuning to 515000000 Hz |
| 01:03 | rkulagow_ | video pid 0x0000, audio pid 0x0000 |
| 01:03 | rkulagow_ | status 00 | signal 7440 | snr 5b68 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | |
| 01:04 | rkulagow_ | i'm all befuddled. but that's good for a HOWTO i guess. |
| 01:04 | rkulagow_ | :) |
| 01:05 | Captain_Murdo | | I think you want it to have a FE_HAS_LOCK at the end. |
| 01:05 | Captain_Murdo | | status 1f | signal fcb0 | snr e014 | ber 00000d30 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| 01:05 | Captain_Murdo | | status 1f | signal fce0 | snr de6c | ber 00000060 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
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| 01:05 | rkulagow_ | yeah, in that case i don't have much yet. |
| 01:06 | Captain_Murdo | | are you sure it loaded the firmware? I spent about a half hour or more messing with the card then realized I didn't have the firmware.agent hotplug script so my firmware wasn't being loaded. |
| 01:10 | rkulagow_ | ah, maybe that's it. i was following angel li's stuff that dopester helped out with, i guess there maybe missing stuff. |
| 01:10 | rkulagow_ | let me check. |
| 01:10 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, I used angel's guide also. |
| 01:11 | rkulagow_ | does your ~/.azap/channels.conf have anything after the 8VSB? mine has 0:0; the us-Raleigh has numbers |
| 01:11 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, WVBT:563000000:8VSB:0:0 |
| 01:12 | Captain_Murdo | | all have 0:0, not sure what that is. |
| 01:12 | rkulagow_ | well, i have a firmware.agent script, so maybe not that. anything in /var/log/messages indicating a firmware load? |
| 01:13 | Captain_Murdo | | the scan worked pretty good in Myth once I had the card receiving. then I went in and setup the xmltv ids for the channels that the scan detected and I was grabbing data. |
| 01:13 | rkulagow_ | i've got: |
| 01:13 | rkulagow_ | Feb 16 23:12:42 backend-2 nxt2002: Waiting for firmware upload... |
| 01:13 | rkulagow_ | Feb 16 23:12:42 backend-2 nxt2002: Waiting for firmware upload(2)... |
| 01:13 | rkulagow_ | Feb 16 23:12:42 backend-2 done. |
| 01:13 | rkulagow_ | which should be ok. |
| 01:13 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, hold a sec.kernel: nxt2002: firmware upload complete |
| 01:14 | Captain_Murdo | | that should be right after the "done" you pasted. |
| 01:14 | rkulagow_ | nopenope, doesn't look like it. |
| 01:14 | Captain_Murdo | | maybe it's not finding your firmware. check your hotplug script to see where it's looking |
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| 01:19 | rkulagow | had to switch to another machine |
| 01:19 | rkulagow | ok, i guess i need to figure out why the firmware isn't being loaded. |
| 01:20 | Captain_Murdo | | that was my biggest issue, everything else was a piece of cake once I got that figured out. the guide was pretty good and the scan worked. I used the 2.6.11-rc3 kernel so I didn't have to patch anything. |
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| 01:21 | rkulagow | yeah, i've got 2.6.11-rc4. didn't you need to apply the qam patch? dopester said that qam support wouldn't be until 2.6.12 |
| 01:22 | Captain_Murdo | | qam patch is in it 2.6.11-rc3 it appears. I downloaded the patch and tried applying it and it asked me if I wanted to reverse. so I checked the driver in the kernel and it was there already. |
| 01:23 | Captain_Murdo | | unless the dvb-kernel patched it in for me when I ran the script in there, but I doubt that. |
| 01:24 | rkulagow | huh. that didn't happen to me at all. i did 2.6.11-rc4 tarball + the qam patch on dopesters website. i didn't get any rejects, and i didn't download dvb-kernel (he said that rc3 already had the dvb stuff that you'd get from dvb-kernel) |
| 01:25 | rkulagow | well, i'm rebooting now, so we'll see what happens when it comes back |
| 01:26 | Captain_Murdo | | do you have that patch url handy? |
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| 01:28 | rkulagow | yeah |
| 01:28 | rkulagow | hold one |
| 01:29 | rkulagow | # pushd . |
| 01:29 | rkulagow | # cd linux-2.6.11-rc4/drivers/media/dvb/frontends |
| 01:29 | rkulagow | # wget http://www.digitalregime.com/patches/nxt2002-qam.patch |
| 01:29 | rkulagow | # patch -p0 < nxt2002-qam.patch |
| 01:29 | rkulagow | # popd |
| 01:31 | Captain_Murdo | | did you use dvb cvs? |
| 01:31 | rkulagow | nope; |
| 01:31 | rkulagow | but then again, mine doesn't work yet, so i may not be the best source of info right now! |
| 01:32 | rkulagow | do you have all those devices in /dev/dvb/adapter0? i've only got 4 - haven't created the ones in Angel's HOWTO yet |
| 01:33 | Captain_Murdo | | I created those I think using the commands on the HOWTO. |
| 01:33 | Captain_Murdo | | have 8 devices |
| 01:33 | rkulagow | hrmm. i'm only getting 4 installed by the default {whatever} that's creating them. let me go check. |
| 01:35 | Captain_Murdo | | I used dvb-kernel cvs from the HOWTO. the dvb-kernel has the qam patch, so linux-2.6.11-rc3 doesnt. that explains it. |
| 01:36 | Captain_Murdo | | I'm using a hacked up redhat9 install so I created some of that stuff by hand. had to go googling for a firmware.agent file. |
| 01:37 | rkulagow | well, i can see from the make_atsc_chanconf.pl script that the 0:0 after 8VSB is hardcoded |
| 01:39 | rkulagow | ok, the firmware upload message only shows up once i run azap |
| 01:39 | rkulagow | but i'm not getting that completed message that you pasted in. |
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| 01:43 | rkulagow | that looks suspiciously like the audio and video pid i'm getting when azap does the scan |
| 01:44 | Captain_Murdo | | are you getting the following? "timeout error writing tuner" |
| 01:44 | rkulagow | nope |
| 01:45 | Captain_Murdo | | I occasionally saw this also.. "no firmware upload" |
| 01:45 | Captain_Murdo | | nxt2002: no firmware upload (timeout or file not found?) |
| 01:45 | Captain_Murdo | | I think I got the timeout messages when I ran the myth scan, don't remember if they showed up when I ran azap |
| 01:46 | rkulagow | well, it's a mystery. i'll see if dopester's around tomorrow |
| 01:46 | Captain_Murdo | | let me check the source, maybe that complete message is only in the cvs version. |
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| 01:49 | rkulagow | you know what? i seem to remember that comcast has HD on channels 180-190 something. that tuning frequency from antennaweb seems like it's the regular "low" freq. |
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| 01:49 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, that's not in the 2.6.11-rc3 source, maybe it's only in the cvs dvb-kernel. |
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| 01:49 | Captain_Murdo | | you have this on your cable? those freqs are for OTA, not cable. |
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| 01:50 | Captain_Murdo | | if you have it on cable, and it seems the firmware is loaded cause there's no errors, then you should try the scan in myth's setup. |
| 01:52 | rkulagow | ok, i just checked, and "WGN-DT" is on channel 192. |
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| 01:55 | rkulagow | ok, so i'm compiling CVS now. should take a while on the p3/733. time for SG-1 in that case. bbl |
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| 04:02 | johnp_ | morning, is there a method for creating a borderless/frameless vertical container using the widgets in settings.* ? I've got an issue where I'm using Vertical and Horizontal configuration groups for layout, but they're eating a "margin" of screen space on each nest. |
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| 08:22 | didde | greetings #mythtv! |
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| 08:33 | Analyzer | hello all |
| 08:33 | Analyzer | i have a problem with starting of mythtv |
| 08:34 | Analyzer | analyzer@localhost ~ $ mythtv |
| 08:34 | Analyzer | 2005-02-17 23:38:24.228 Switching to square mode () |
| 08:34 | Analyzer | 2005-02-17 23:38:24.232 Unable to connect to database! |
| 08:34 | Analyzer | 2005-02-17 23:38:24.234 Driver error was [1/1045]: |
| 08:34 | Analyzer | QMYSQL3: Unable to connect |
| 08:34 | Analyzer | Database error was: |
| 08:34 | Analyzer | Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES) |
| 08:34 | Analyzer | couldn't open db |
| 08:34 | Analyzer | 2005-02-17 23:38:24.235 Switching to square mode (blue) |
| 08:34 | Analyzer | 2005-02-17 23:38:24.933 Joystick disabled. |
| 08:34 | Analyzer | Segmentation fault |
| 08:34 | Analyzer | HOW I CAN FIX IT??? |
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| 08:43 | _GeckoFiend | Analyzer see /topic |
| 08:43 | Analyzer | i was there |
| 08:44 | Analyzer | laga say me that i must recompile with debug flags and going here |
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| 09:07 | o_cee | just look at the database error..? |
| 09:09 | Analyzer | o_cee, what u mean? |
| 09:19 | shadash | Hi all if anybody is interested I've been working with Cyberlink the makers of Powerdvd. If I do an NDA they will allow a developer to tailor it to Myth/Linux needs (currently it doesn't have command line arguements) For those who don't know if you plan on selling a Myth based system you can't legally distribute decss. This would allow legal dvd playback. |
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| 09:32 | thor_ | Hmmm .... |
| 09:33 | thor_ | Nothing is stopping anyone from making an "outside"/closed-source module that would work with Myth |
| 09:34 | thor_ | but I don't think any core developers would want to get tainted by an NDA encumberance |
| 09:35 | shadash | that's the idea. I don't want to take away from what's already there. Just add more functionality to what's currently available |
| 09:35 | shadash | thor_: I'll see what they're willing to do |
| 09:36 | shadash | The would be an outside "Module" people could purchase / integrate in to myth. And btw I have their closed source dvd player and it's actually pretty good. |
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| 09:37 | thor_ | if they had a module that worked really well (complete robust menu support, top notch video quality inside X, etc) I suspect some Myth users would happily pay for it |
| 09:37 | shadash | menu support is already there |
| 09:37 | thor_ | right, but it has to better than xine |
| 09:37 | shadash | problem is there's no command line agruements |
| 09:38 | shadash | it's equivalent to xine. But takes less cpu b/c it doesn't have to unencrypt the cd before playback |
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| 09:40 | shadash | I believe in open source but in this case a closed source app actually does make sense. To get a DVD license from the DVD consortium costs over 10K per year. |
| 09:40 | thor_ | well, in addition to command line arguments, in an ideal world you'd want hooks into the running code so you could do things like myth style OSD, handling jump points, etc. |
| 09:41 | kvandivo | a true api, in other words. :) |
| 09:41 | thor_ | err, what he said |
| 09:42 | shadash | I'll keep you posted with their response. here's a snip of the last email.. |
| 09:42 | shadash | We would be more than happy to co-develop the PowerDVD for Linux to |
| 09:42 | shadash | allow it to integrate more easily into http://www.mythtv.org or any |
| 09:42 | shadash | other Linux application that needs DVD playback. |
| 09:43 | shadash | that was after an email where they asked that we help them codevelop |
| 09:44 | shadash | One interesting thing about PowerDVD for linux over other commercial solutions is that they're not using a wine-a-fied directX to display to X |
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| 10:07 | thor_ | you'll want an opinion from Chutt, of course |
| 10:08 | shadash | he's not into it :-( Says closed source sux |
| 10:09 | shadash | which generally I agree with. But in this case closed source is a better solution |
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| 10:10 | thor_ | well, he's right |
| 10:14 | Chutt | no, i didn't say that |
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| 10:14 | Chutt | i said i'm not interested in a closed source dvd player |
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| 10:17 | shadash | sorry Chutt, mis-quoted you |
| 10:17 | Chutt | and it's certainly not a better solution, if no actual integration with myth is possible. |
| 10:19 | shadash | my idea is that if it had command line arguments like mplayer. Myth could call it the same way it works with mplayer,xine,ogle |
| 10:19 | Chutt | which is a horrible way to do things. |
| 10:19 | shadash | not really integration... more like another option |
| 10:20 | thor_ | I don't think anyone would pay for it if it didn't offer much better integration with Myth |
| 10:20 | Chutt | quite stupid, really. |
| 10:20 | thor_ | save the possible existence of a US-based commercial myth box seller |
| 10:21 | hadeees | Chutt, i agree it is a horrible way to do things however since the current open source dvd players are tech against US laws, it wouldn't hurt to have a back up |
| 10:21 | thor_ | the players are not against the law |
| 10:22 | thor_ | they all do run time checking for libdecss |
| 10:22 | _GeckoFiend | shadash and they'd need to support playback from ISO as well as include their DVD ripper with it |
| 10:22 | shadash | that doesn't work although I have tried it. ;-) |
| 10:23 | shadash | you can mount an iso then play specific vob? (movie) files though |
| 10:23 | thor_ | you can't play the entire ISO from "menu" root? |
| 10:24 | shadash | which means you can also legally use dd to backup dvd's to harddrive |
| 10:24 | shadash | thor_: not being able to play a mounted dvd is a limitation of the current software. I think it can be fixed |
| 10:25 | thor_ | ah, I see |
| 10:25 | shadash | I mean mounted iso |
| 10:25 | shadash | it can play a mounted dvd without a problem |
| 10:25 | thor_ | yup, gotcha |
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| 11:09 | _GeckoFiend | bleh. Three different teams, all with deadlines of EOB tomorrow (which I don't work) all need me all day long. None of them want to take no for an answer |
| 11:10 | Beirdo | quick, clone yourself |
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| 12:14 | johnp_ | Does anyone know if _rkulagow_ and Captain_Murdoch got their air2pc cards going ? (Dopsters asking) |
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| 12:14 | evilx | hello, i need some help with lirc and gentoo |
| 12:17 | StefanD | guess the same people that is here is in mythtv-users too, but i really need to understand what is wrong. Since upgrading to 0.17 i can't watch Live TV or record any TV. Getting "Using protocol version 14" and "RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read()" messages the whole time when trying to watch Live TV. And i have to kill mythfrontend to get it to stop |
| 12:19 | kylector | evilx: I'm stuck with lirc too, although I'm on slack10. what remote are you trying to get working? |
| 12:20 | evilx | well i dont have a reciver , just a irda transmitter |
| 12:20 | evilx | it might also be a reciver , aint sure |
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| 12:21 | shadash | http://losdos.dyndns.org:8080/public/mythtv-info/MythTV_DISH_IR_LED_TX_via_Modified_LIRC.html |
| 12:21 | stoffel_ | guys, read the topic please. |
| 12:21 | evilx | shadash: that what im looking for thanks |
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| 12:22 | evilx | i had that booked marked before i redid linux , with resier4 |
| 12:22 | evilx | and i forgot to backup my bookmarks |
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| 12:23 | evilx | http://losdos.dyndns.org:8080/public/mythtv-info/MythTV_DISH_IR_LED_TX_via_Modified_LIRC.html |
| 12:23 | evilx | sorry |
| 12:25 | evilx | shadash: that url dont work |
| 12:25 | evilx | 404 |
| 12:25 | evilx | i forgot the l in html |
| 12:27 | Chutt | what part of 'read the topic please' is hard to understand? |
| 12:29 | evilx | that part , where i was saying thanks |
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| 13:00 | _GeckoFiend | hmmm wonder how Myth would look in this: http://www.gizmag.com/go/3271/ |
| 13:01 | _GeckoFiend | chutt: do you have your air2pc running? I'm going to order a new HD card Monday or so and I'm not sure If I want to get a another 3k or an air2 |
| 13:01 | Chutt | nope |
| 13:01 | Chutt | haven't had time to yet |
| 13:02 | kvandivo | that doesn't look like a kid friendly room |
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| 13:04 | _rkulagow_ | gfiend: i think i'm 99% there with my Air2PC card. |
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| 15:50 | Baylink | Hey, Cap. |
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| 16:08 | Captain_Murdo | | hey, started this up and got called away on something. keep it up to lurk sometimes. :) |
| 16:09 | dja | with 91 people on, I suspect there's a lot of lurking (myself included :-) |
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| 16:17 | Baylink | Got it. |
| 16:17 | Baylink | Me too. |
| 16:17 | Baylink | One last problem with transcode. |
| 16:23 | Captain_Murdo | | what's that? |
| 16:24 | Baylink | It still blows it's brains out if there are marked commercials for the program: |
| 16:24 | Baylink | it appears to transcode into *uncompressed frames*, according to Beirdo's nuvscan |
| 16:24 | Baylink | We end up going from 1.6GB to 11+; once over 40. |
| 16:25 | Baylink | I dunno if it's recorded/commflagged or recordedmarkup/4,5 that pisses it off; I suspect the latter. |
| 16:25 | Captain_Murdo | | you ran nuvscan on the resulting file? |
| 16:26 | Captain_Murdo | | and still have it? (a/the bad file) |
| 16:26 | Baylink | I'd have to check. |
| 16:27 | Baylink | I could certainly *make* one easy enough. :-) |
| 16:27 | Baylink | In fact, that may be the best solution. |
| 16:27 | Captain_Murdo | | I've transcoded shows with and without the cutlist and with commercial breaks marked and never seen that. are these mpeg2->mpeg4 or mpeg4->mpeg4 and with or w/o cutlists? |
| 16:28 | Baylink | 2->4; cutlists don't bother it. |
| 16:28 | Baylink | This problem is *old*. |
| 16:28 | Baylink | Maybe all the way back into .15 |
| 16:28 | Captain_Murdo | | mine have all been 2-4, that's why I asked. I've only used the transcoder once up until a month or two ago. |
| 16:29 | Captain_Murdo | | are you sure that the file wasn't totally hosed or was nuvscan actually spitting out packets that made sense except for the size. |
| 16:29 | gr8nash | Captain_Murdoch have you tried the transcoder with HD streams? |
| 16:29 | Baylink | nuvscan id'd the packets ok, they were just wrong. |
| 16:30 | Baylink | Beirdo might remember; he interpreted the output for me. |
| 16:30 | Captain_Murdo | | gr8nash: yeah, I added the resize ability because I have an air2pc card. It took my P3-1Ghz about 3 hours to transcode/resize a 1920x1088 1-hour recording down to 352x480 so I could play it on my slow frontend box. :) |
| 16:30 | Baylink | I may still have a nuvscan.out file around, if that will be informative. |
| 16:30 | Beirdo | nuvscan just reads what's actually in the file |
| 16:30 | Beirdo | nuv frame by nuv frame |
| 16:30 | Baylink | Do you remember what it said about that busted one, when I mailed you the output? |
| 16:31 | gr8nash | Captain_Murdoch.. thanks you the man! |
| 16:31 | Beirdo | yeah, after a bit, almost all of the video frames were either raw or raw with LZO |
| 16:31 | Captain_Murdo | | but did the rest of the frame info make sense (ie, the timecodes incrementing, etc.) |
| 16:32 | Beirdo | I think so |
| 16:32 | Baylink | I don't know that we've ever tried to *play* one of them, post-transcode. |
| 16:32 | Beirdo | there is code in there to go with raw frames under CPU congestion or something. it's designed for during recording |
| 16:32 | Beirdo | but I think the transcoder does it too |
| 16:33 | Baylink | Shouldn't it special-case out for hardware encoders? |
| 16:33 | Captain_Murdo | | if so that code is in the recorder somewhere, not in transcode. |
| 16:34 | Beirdo | it's likely common code in the recorder that should be bypassed by transcoding |
| 16:34 | Captain_Murdo | | transcode just calls NuppelVideoRecorder::WriteVideo() same as the normal recording process calls. |
| 16:34 | Beirdo | the CPU checks should be bypassed for transcoding, there's no need to be real-time |
| 16:35 | Baylink | I believe we've still got a broken ep laying around. It's 15GB... |
| 16:35 | Captain_Murdo | | looks like it's based on buffer slots free, not cpu. |
| 16:36 | Beirdo | ah, that could be, Captain_Murdoch, it was months ago I looked at it and my memory can suck at times |
| 16:36 | Baylink | Is transcode instrumented that we could tickle it's bug and look at a trace file or something? |
| 16:36 | Captain_Murdo | | I'll take a look at it and see if I can see what might be causing that and make a way for the transcoder to bypass. |
| 16:37 | Baylink | Cap: what kind of beer are you fond of? :-) |
| 16:37 | Captain_Murdo | | if you can reproduce the problem, you could put some cerr debug statements in NuppelVideoRecorder::WriteVideo in the places where it says "speed up the encode process" to see if it is truly turning off compression to save cpu. |
| 16:37 | Baylink | Should i open a bug on this, so there's a place to put the patch? |
| 16:38 | Captain_Murdo | | don't drink, strongest thing is Pepsi. :) |
| 16:38 | Baylink | Irn Bru? Vimto? |
| 16:38 | Captain_Murdo | | if a patch is found, I'll put it straight in CVS. :) |
| 16:38 | Baylink | Luzianne? |
| 16:38 | Baylink | Rog. |
| 16:38 | Captain_Murdo | | Lipton mainly. although some others occasionally when I drink hot tea. |
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| 16:39 | mikegrb | who was it asking about searching closed captions and stuff |
| 16:39 | Baylink | I like Lipton for iced tea. Luzianne is nice, though, too, under the same glassware conditions as beer. |
| 16:39 | Beirdo | Baylink: you can get me booze though if you so feel inclined :) |
| 16:39 | Baylink | Not me, but put me down for that, too. :-) |
| 16:39 | Baylink | Cool. |
| 16:39 | mikegrb | http://video.google.com/?sourceid=gvd&subid=us-et-about <-- search video via closed captions |
| 16:40 | kvandivo | mikegrb: if they had wanted to search closed caption, that would have been fine.. the guy didn't trust CC, though, and was wanting to do the speech to text conversion and use that |
| 16:40 | mikegrb | http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=linux&btnG=Google+Search <- example |
| 16:40 | kvandivo | that was the part that struck me as a supreme waste of time |
| 16:40 | mikegrb | kvandivo: well he wanted to use voice recognition to figure out how the cc related to video, ie so you could playback the exact spot in the video |
| 16:40 | mikegrb | but yes, it was a supreme waste of time |
| 16:41 | Baylink | That's not too hard to do. |
| 16:41 | mikegrb | I mentioned the google video thing to him at the time though I couldn't remember if it was google or someone else |
| 16:41 | mikegrb | and it hadn't been announced yet |
| 16:41 | kvandivo | in the realm of low hanging fruit that is way up there on the top of the tree when it comes to things that could added to myth |
| 16:41 | Baylink | The captions always *lead* the video, so they can snap on at the beginning of a line. |
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| 16:43 | mikegrb | Baylink: unless it is live |
| 16:43 | mikegrb | Baylink: then the captions lag the video from 10 - 45 or even over a minute |
| 16:43 | Baylink | Yeah |
| 16:44 | kvandivo | "live"? what is this "live" that you speak of? |
| 16:44 | Baylink | Not around here. Course, most live news comes from the prompter copy |
| 16:44 | mikegrb | yes |
| 16:44 | mikegrb | and in my experience most local tv stations just feed prompter text into CC |
| 16:44 | mikegrb | which is interesting as when I can hear them I can see how much they screw up what there were supposed to say |
| 16:45 | mikegrb | it it says stuff like [ad lib throw to weather] |
| 16:45 | mikegrb | but then it means there aren't CC for the weather forecast :< |
| 16:45 | mikegrb | so I just look on the web to see what the weather is going to be like |
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| 17:20 | o_cee | yey mythui commit :) |
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| 17:45 | | * mikegrb commits o_cee |
| 18:02 | Captain_Murdo | | Baylink & Beirdo, I don't see where the encoder will switch from compressed to uncompressed frames when using avcoded to compress. I see where it will bypass compression when using rtjpeg, but not when using mpeg4 with avcodec. I'll try to go over it again, but right now I don't see anything that stands out. |
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| 18:09 | Beirdo | hmmm. well that's what it did at one point, but it may have changed since for all I know |
| 18:09 | mikegrb | and you don't know much, eh fellow canook? |
| 18:09 | Captain_Murdo | | for avcodec or just rtjpeg? |
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| 18:11 | Captain_Murdo | | I don't see where the "compressthis" flag makes any difference if you're using libavcodec. maybe something is overwriting a variable or something and it'd kicking into rtjpeg mode. |
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| 18:20 | Beirdo | well, I don't remember from the code side, but from the output, I assure you it did do it to Baylink :) |
| 18:21 | Beirdo | I may actually still have that output log somewhere |
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| 18:31 | Chutt | it shouldn't be doing the uncompressed frame thing with avcodec |
| 18:32 | Beirdo | that's what I thought too. Baylink had some files like that a few months ago, and it sounded like it was doing it to him again perhaps |
| 18:33 | Chutt | rtjpeg, though, yeah |
| 18:33 | Chutt | but not avcodec |
| 18:33 | Beirdo | yeah, makes sense. wonder what happened to cause it to his files... |
| 18:33 | Beirdo | of course, he's not here now to elucidate. |
| 18:35 | Beirdo | it was Oct 23 when he dumped one such file, still have the output of nuvscan for it |
| 18:36 | Beirdo | aha |
| 18:36 | Beirdo | it is an RTJPEG file after all |
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| 18:53 | bomba | the 2001FP is $507 currently |
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| 18:53 | bomba | err, wrong channel! |
| 18:53 | bomba | :) |
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| 19:58 | --- | User: *** wigginjs is now known as m0tion |
| 19:59 | m0tion | hey chutt, what kind of projector do you have? |
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| 20:13 | nicedreams | any mythtv developers here? |
| 20:15 | nicedreams | my company is creating a set top box using MythTV technology and many other advanced modules and features not offered with Myth to take on MS and Sony in a living room appliance |
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| 20:15 | nicedreams | i'm looking for developers for modules and a few engines under linux |
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| 20:16 | Chutt | heh |
| 20:16 | Chutt | 'advanced modules and features' |
| 20:16 | Chutt | very descriptive. |
| 20:16 | nicedreams | i can't just say the business plan here |
| 20:16 | nicedreams | :) |
| 20:20 | Captain_Murdo | | better think up a good one for getting the Guide data. :) |
| 20:22 | Chutt | m0tion, panasonic pt-ae700u, btw. |
| 20:23 | Chutt | heh, that last commit really makes a big difference in the image quality |
| 20:23 | Chutt | no more needless scaling |
| 20:23 | Chutt | probably faster, too. |
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| 20:25 | Torq | nicedreams: so checkin your new code to cvs |
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| 20:32 | nicedreams | sry...been talking to shadash on pm |
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| 20:34 | Beirdo | so let me get this right, nicedreams... you want developers to help you make money off free software? |
| 20:34 | Chutt | heh |
| 20:34 | Chutt | i thought you wanted to talk to developers. |
| 20:34 | Beirdo | good luck with that quest. |
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| 20:36 | nicedreams | basicly creating a unit that will be a complete unit that sits in the living room like a dvd playing and looks like one too |
| 20:36 | nicedreams | no fans |
| 20:37 | nicedreams | and has advanced modules like buying movie tickets with your remote from your tv |
| 20:37 | rw | nicedreams, i heard that there are people being paid for that. Can't your company pay a full-time developer for it? |
| 20:38 | Beirdo | and how much of this code do you expect to be giving back to the community? |
| 20:38 | Chutt | well, if they're actual myth modules, all of it =) |
| 20:38 | Chutt | gpl headers and all |
| 20:38 | Torq | leechers |
| 20:38 | rw | lol |
| 20:39 | nicedreams | we'll make a new front end if we have to |
| 20:39 | Chutt | then it wouldn't be myth anymore, really |
| 20:39 | nicedreams | rw, that's why i'm here |
| 20:39 | nicedreams | there is a lot of tallent here |
| 20:39 | Captain_Murdo | | and backend. :) and libraries. :) might as well start from scratch. |
| 20:39 | nicedreams | i could just post some job listings locally, but want to get into the comunity that is interested and really wants to be involed |
| 20:39 | rw | nicedreams, hire Chutt, he is cheap, only 200k / year plus 401k plan |
| 20:40 | Torq | hey, you pay me... |
| 20:40 | Chutt | heh |
| 20:40 | nicedreams | i've tried getting ahole of the developer of MythTV, but he hasn't emailed me back |
| 20:40 | Chutt | that's me, btw. |
| 20:40 | nicedreams | ahold |
| 20:40 | shadash | hehe |
| 20:40 | rw | Chutt, lost a 200k job dude! |
| 20:40 | nicedreams | wow |
| 20:40 | Chutt | i generally only respond to 'i want to make a commercial version of myth' emails every couple weeks |
| 20:40 | Chutt | do them all in a batch |
| 20:41 | Torq | theres more than one developer of mythtv... |
| 20:41 | nicedreams | does Issac come in here? |
| 20:41 | rw | hahaha |
| 20:41 | nicedreams | well...if i need to form a team, then i will |
| 20:41 | rw | dreamers. you are doing this for 3 years! if it was easy chutt would be in the fortune magazine! |
| 20:41 | nicedreams | we have the backing and now i just need the correct team |
| 20:41 | rw | nicedreams, he IS isaac |
| 20:41 | nicedreams | chutt? |
| 20:41 | Torq | dreamer: why dont you go hire ron jeremy now? |
| 20:42 | Chutt | yes. |
| 20:42 | rw | yup. |
| 20:42 | Beirdo | nicedreams: wake up and pay attention :) |
| 20:42 | nicedreams | oh.. |
| 20:42 | nicedreams | hi |
| 20:42 | rw | Beirdo, hey channel bully! |
| 20:42 | rw | lol |
| 20:42 | nicedreams | Beirdo, i have many pms coming in...sry |
| 20:42 | rw | Beirdo, that way you will not get a 200k job |
| 20:42 | rw | j/k |
| 20:42 | Beirdo | I don't want a job that freeloads off Isaac and others' fine work |
| 20:42 | nicedreams | Mellon Research is funding this project |
| 20:43 | nicedreams | #1 penny stock in the world |
| 20:43 | nicedreams | Beirdo, damn...your dumb man.... i would hire the people that made it if they replied to my emails |
| 20:43 | nicedreams | that's why i'm in this room now |
| 20:43 | nicedreams | so i can give credit and see if they want to continue this on a much larger scale |
| 20:44 | nicedreams | I even tried to email Justin Frankle |
| 20:44 | Torq | Mellon research, hey I heard of them, its printed on the back of the pr0n dvd i bought the other day. |
| 20:44 | rw | nicedreams, he and Chutt are saying that this happens every week |
| 20:44 | nicedreams | lol |
| 20:44 | Torq | who the dickens is justin frankle? |
| 20:44 | shadash | nicedreams: tact is a wonderful thing |
| 20:44 | Chutt | i get a couple offers every week, honestly |
| 20:44 | nicedreams | wow |
| 20:45 | nicedreams | well...i'm determined and have contact with capcom for trying to release some roms legally |
| 20:45 | nicedreams | for the mame part |
| 20:45 | nicedreams | and movietickets.com for puchasing tickets with a remote from users' tvs |
| 20:45 | Chutt | and zap2it for licensing their data? |
| 20:45 | Torq | yo. you there. are you in the real world? |
| 20:46 | Chutt | and the mpeg4la for licensing codecs? |
| 20:46 | Chutt | and thompson for mp3? |
| 20:46 | nicedreams | do any large companies get rich and famous without a dream? |
| 20:46 | Chutt | apple for aac? |
| 20:46 | nicedreams | i'll license or create everything we need if i have to |
| 20:46 | nicedreams | i'm determined |
| 20:46 | Torq | small companies yes, large companies no. |
| 20:46 | nicedreams | lol |
| 20:46 | Chutt | it's a hell of a lot more expensive than most people think, especially if you want the fun capabilities. |
| 20:47 | nicedreams | if your interested email me at nicedreams@yahoo.com |
| 20:47 | nicedreams | or |
| 20:47 | nicedreams | kbernier@solstissolutions.com |
| 20:47 | nicedreams | the site is way off from this project since we started doing linux business solutions to make money at first |
| 20:47 | rw | nicedreams, what resources you have to do it? |
| 20:47 | nicedreams | then found this venture capitalist and now we are doing nothing but this the past we weeks |
| 20:48 | Beirdo | how many state lotteries have you won this year? |
| 20:48 | nicedreams | funding, lawers, and all of mellon researches resources i need |
| 20:48 | Torq | darn, no pics of people on that site. I was trying to find a pic. |
| 20:48 | nicedreams | the prototype we are making now uses www.allwell.tv hardware |
| 20:48 | nicedreams | I'm 25 and not a kid so i'm serious about this |
| 20:49 | Torq | wheres your pic please? |
| 20:49 | rw | nicedreams, so you still going to fight for an angel? |
| 20:49 | nicedreams | ? |
| 20:49 | Beirdo | you realize that all the code will be GPL... |
| 20:49 | Torq | I want to print it off and play darts with it. |
| 20:49 | Chutt | beirdo, apparently, he's not really going to use myth :p |
| 20:49 | rw | nicedreams, capital, money, investment |
| 20:49 | Beirdo | I guess not... |
| 20:50 | nicedreams | it's all good if you don't want to make a dream a reality with me |
| 20:50 | nicedreams | you'll just have to watch it happen then |
| 20:50 | Beirdo | heh. Have fun lawsuits |
| 20:50 | Torq | I'll go to bed and make my dream a reality now. |
| 20:51 | rw | nicedreams, the problem is: You want to hire someone without resources? Everybody here are well employed, why would they change? |
| 20:52 | Torq | I'm looking for a new job |
| 20:52 | Torq | send me a 200K cheque. |
| 20:52 | nicedreams | contacts are good |
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| 20:52 | rw | nicedreams, yeah it is. But shows that you aren't prepared to make it happen. |
| 20:53 | nicedreams | i'm prepared, i'm just getting rushed to do this |
| 20:53 | rw | nicedreams, not being rude, just being real. |
| 20:53 | nicedreams | i understand |
| 20:54 | rw | nicedreams, so if you would like to do something like this, my advice is, meet who already tried and failed. Meet who are on the top and why are you going to beat them? enough work for a long time. |
| 20:54 | Torq | allwell.tv is an interesting site |
| 20:54 | shadash | I thought so as well |
| 20:55 | GreyFoxx | nHehe Me too. I was thinking those owuld make nifty frontends |
| 20:55 | rw | yeah it's awesome, but has nothing to do with his company, as he said. |
| 20:55 | nicedreams | my company will own the technology we make and who ever does this with us |
| 20:56 | nicedreams | i want this to be as fair as possible |
| 20:56 | Beirdo | then you aren't going to be using Myth |
| 20:56 | nicedreams | and if we use myth, then we'll release the source and sell it in best buy |
| 20:56 | GreyFoxx | nicedreams: So you are planning to write something from Scratch ? |
| 20:56 | Chutt | well, if you use myth, i and a whole bunch of other people own it :p |
| 20:56 | Beirdo | you won't be owning Myth :) |
| 20:56 | GreyFoxx | nicedreams: ahh |
| 20:56 | nicedreams | i understand that |
| 20:56 | nicedreams | i'm not trying to own myth |
| 20:56 | rw | nicedreams, how cheap are you going to buy allwell.tv? do you have a contract yet? |
| 20:56 | nicedreams | myth great software |
| 20:56 | nicedreams | not buying allwell |
| 20:57 | nicedreams | they make mobo's and parts for HP |
| 20:57 | Torq | you could sell a box with myth, but you must checkin all the code to cvs |
| 20:57 | nicedreams | and we are using them for a few prototypes |
| 20:57 | nicedreams | to see how the hardware works with the software |
| 20:57 | nicedreams | I'm not the expert on the GPL and programing side... my business partner is |
| 20:57 | Beirdo | Torq: I don't think that's your place to determine :) |
| 20:57 | nicedreams | he teaches linux in collage and has been for like 8 yhears |
| 20:57 | nicedreams | years |
| 20:58 | Torq | Beirdo: thats what the license says... sheesh |
| 20:58 | Beirdo | no it doesn't |
| 20:58 | nicedreams | i'm like the dreamer and pusher and been doing a very very good job at it |
| 20:58 | Torq | GPL? |
| 20:58 | nicedreams | i got us the funding and legal connections |
| 20:58 | Beirdo | it doesn't say he must check into the project |
| 20:58 | GreyFoxx | I wonder how much some of those STB boxes go for.... they would make really nice frontends |
| 20:58 | nicedreams | now i have to get the team together to do this |
| 20:58 | Torq | he must provide source... |
| 20:58 | Beirdo | it says he needs to supply source. |
| 20:58 | rw | don't forget the trolltech license. |
| 20:58 | Torq | Beirdo: now youre being anal. |
| 20:58 | nicedreams | Beirdo, why are you hating so much? |
| 20:59 | Beirdo | I'm not hating, I'm being realistic |
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| 20:59 | nicedreams | i have a dream to revolutionize home entertainment and i'm shooting for that goal |
| 20:59 | nicedreams | people said you couldn't fly and now we can |
| 21:00 | nicedreams | you can't go to the moon and we have |
| 21:00 | rw | Beirdo, you are wrong. |
| 21:00 | GreyFoxx | nicedreams: It's good to have adream, good luck with it (seriously) |
| 21:00 | rw | Beirdo, tivo is opensource. Have you seen the source, yet? |
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| 21:00 | nicedreams | thx |
| 21:00 | nicedreams | tivo is open source? |
| 21:00 | nicedreams | i have to look into that then |
| 21:00 | Beirdo | rw: I don't care about Tivo, and it's not open source |
| 21:00 | cmorgan | all of tivo's kernel modifications are open source |
| 21:01 | Chutt | no drivers or app |
| 21:01 | cmorgan | most of their stuff is modules though, which isn't |
| 21:01 | nicedreams | anyways... if your interested, any of the creators or anyone that wants to try to do this please contact me and i'll call you or fly you in if i have to |
| 21:01 | nicedreams | i'm based out of Phoenix, AZ |
| 21:01 | nicedreams | and i'll do contacts and stocks and whatever |
| 21:01 | GreyFoxx | Man , I so need to get pricing on these boxes |
| 21:01 | nicedreams | once the site and prototype is done, mellon research is taking us IPO on the market |
| 21:01 | rw | Beirdo, see |
| 21:01 | nicedreams | that's why i'm stressing |
| 21:01 | rw | Beirdo, everything is open source based |
| 21:02 | nicedreams | and i want to give credit to the people that have done this work and offering a future |
| 21:02 | rw | also, it announced a while back that would open the technology for developers. |
| 21:02 | nicedreams | rw and chutt, please consider it |
| 21:02 | nicedreams | i have many other idea's to bring linux to the open for everyone to know about and not just us pc geeks |
| 21:03 | nicedreams | of course since MS is hating on linux so much now |
| 21:03 | nicedreams | they just made it to where all their new software won't work with wine anymore |
| 21:03 | nicedreams | nicedreams@yahoo.com - kbernier@solstissolutions.com |
| 21:04 | Captain_Murdo | | don't they do that every new release. |
| 21:04 | nicedreams | the larger things are the modules that we want to create to connect to a central server we have made that include movie tickets, stocks, streaming movies and music, and more |
| 21:05 | Chutt | c_m, yeah |
| 21:05 | Captain_Murdo | | :) |
| 21:06 | shadash | nicedreams: you're only problem is that you're talking about closed source "modules" with a bunch of people that have worked really hard to create an open source project. That's a hard sell |
| 21:06 | Chutt | yup |
| 21:07 | Chutt | you'd get a better reception if you were talking about actually contributing back to the project. |
| 21:07 | nicedreams | true... i'm flexable on what i have to do to make this work |
| 21:07 | Chutt | but it doesn't sound like you want to do that very much. |
| 21:07 | nicedreams | chutt, i want to contribute, that's why i'm here and not just doing this and trying make a buck without you guys |
| 21:08 | nicedreams | that's why i'm offering some contract work or whatever so you can get paid for your awsome work |
| 21:08 | nicedreams | that's why i'm here |
| 21:08 | Chutt | but it'd be contract work that wouldn't be applicable to myth, though, right? |
| 21:08 | nicedreams | mythtv is awsome software and would like to get whoever is creating it a chance to put it in living rooms across america and the world |
| 21:08 | nicedreams | if that's how it works, then yet |
| 21:08 | nicedreams | yes |
| 21:09 | nicedreams | i'm not a business major and i'm learning how this work, and the team that is supporting me handles that |
| 21:12 | nicedreams | there are many options if your interested, email me pls |
| 21:12 | shadash | nicedreams: if you can float $$$ to developers for work that you'd like done + they are in agreement with what you are looking to do + you allow code to be released via GPL back into Myth you'd probably get some interested parties |
| 21:12 | nicedreams | i never set anything into stone |
| 21:12 | nicedreams | that sounds good... i'm all for that |
| 21:12 | rw | true... people already work for free. Why not work for money :) |
| 21:12 | nicedreams | i'm not the man with the money. the company funding us would do that |
| 21:13 | nicedreams | that's exactly what i'm saying |
| 21:13 | nicedreams | rw |
| 21:13 | rw | nicedreams, and this company is? |
| 21:13 | nicedreams | and then this will be an appliance in living rooms across everywhere |
| 21:13 | nicedreams | mellon research |
| 21:13 | nicedreams | www.mellonresearch.com |
| 21:14 | rw | do they have money? |
| 21:14 | nicedreams | ? |
| 21:14 | nicedreams | they are #1 penny stock in the world |
| 21:14 | rw | to invest |
| 21:14 | nicedreams | adventure capitalist |
| 21:14 | nicedreams | he's worth 50mil |
| 21:14 | nicedreams | large firm |
| 21:14 | rw | ok, but do you already have a contract with them? |
| 21:15 | nicedreams | yea |
| 21:15 | nicedreams | i make 5k a month doing all their IT work for all his new project plus huge bonuses |
| 21:15 | rw | do you have a business plan? |
| 21:15 | rw | nicedreams, why you didn't say it erlier? |
| 21:15 | nicedreams | like he is producing streaming online media audio/video to revolutionize online tv |
| 21:15 | nicedreams | business plan yes |
| 21:15 | nicedreams | contacts they say i can't say everything = yes |
| 21:15 | rw | can i see it? |
| 21:16 | Chutt | heh |
| 21:16 | nicedreams | you have to talk to mellon to see the full plan since you have to sign a confidenal document to view it |
| 21:16 | nicedreams | or i'd have to get you to sign it |
| 21:16 | rw | oh yeah, sure :) just checking lol |
| 21:16 | nicedreams | or fly you in to see it |
| 21:16 | nicedreams | i can't just say here....steal my idea's |
| 21:17 | Chutt | honestly, i doubt it's something that no one's thought of before |
| 21:17 | rw | nicedreams, ok, so you have the money. What do you do? |
| 21:17 | nicedreams | and again...i'm hear to offer and give back to the community... |
| 21:17 | nicedreams | i could of just bended the law with their lawers and sold this anyways and said fuck you all |
| 21:17 | nicedreams | but i'm not |
| 21:17 | NightMonkey | whoah |
| 21:17 | nicedreams | sry for language |
| 21:18 | rw | Chutt, someone pays you for working in mythtv? if not, who cares, you will recieve your money. |
| 21:18 | Chutt | nope, i do it all for fun |
| 21:18 | Chutt | there's no money in a commercial pvr |
| 21:18 | Chutt | ie, see tivo. |
| 21:18 | NightMonkey | Gotta watch those NDAs... |
| 21:18 | nicedreams | chutt, but i haven't said anything about the aditions that myth doesn't do |
| 21:19 | nicedreams | does myth let you purchase movie tickets |
| 21:19 | rw | Chutt, that's not your problem. You will keep working and improving it. Just make a good contract that will keep things the way you like, and wait the money arrives. |
| 21:19 | nicedreams | does myth let you purchase mp3s online and store them in a database |
| 21:19 | Chutt | i don't really see that meaning anything |
| 21:19 | nicedreams | it's a risk |
| 21:19 | rw | i see. iTunes is making fortune. |
| 21:19 | nicedreams | business is a risk |
| 21:19 | nicedreams | do you think bill gates made money sitting on his ass |
| 21:20 | Chutt | you're not bill gates :p |
| 21:20 | nicedreams | i can be |
| 21:20 | nicedreams | and we could be too |
| 21:20 | Beirdo | and neither is your backer |
| 21:20 | nicedreams | the ikea guy is richer and he sells furnature |
| 21:20 | Beirdo | hate to say it but $50M isn't a "huge" venture capitalist |
| 21:20 | nicedreams | Beirdo, it's called investing |
| 21:20 | nicedreams | so |
| 21:20 | cmorgan | ha |
| 21:20 | nicedreams | do you think he going to just give you a few million off the back |
| 21:21 | cmorgan | $50M isn't a lot of money? |
| 21:21 | nicedreams | we or whoever is going this has to make this work, and if it does, that's where the money comes in |
| 21:21 | nicedreams | not from his company |
| 21:21 | nicedreams | but from the stock once we go IPO |
| 21:21 | Beirdo | cmorgan: in the world of venture capitalism, it's tiny |
| 21:22 | nicedreams | we go IPO once the site and prototype is done |
| 21:22 | cmorgan | hardly |
| 21:22 | cmorgan | thats 2nd or 3rd round in terms of venture capital |
| 21:22 | nicedreams | that's where the max funding is going to come from |
| 21:22 | cmorgan | thats for a pretty developed startup |
| 21:22 | nicedreams | and he gets people to buy stock |
| 21:22 | nicedreams | and he'll get many people to buy our stock |
| 21:22 | nicedreams | and then we are money to produce and pay for whatever |
| 21:23 | cmorgan | you don't get $50M unless you have a serious team and a great business plan |
| 21:23 | Beirdo | amen |
| 21:23 | dhofstra | tivo deathwatch article http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000100030115/ |
| 21:23 | mikegrb | IPO is multiple years down the line |
| 21:23 | mikegrb | is tivo even public yet? |
| 21:23 | Chutt | it's been public for a long time |
| 21:23 | mikegrb | and you can't build such a business plan around a pvr |
| 21:23 | mikegrb | ahh |
| 21:23 | mikegrb | well then gold stars for Chutt |
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| 21:24 | Beirdo | tivo went public during the .com boom, I think |
| 21:25 | Chutt | they're not a penny stock, though :p |
| 21:25 | nicedreams | chutt, i'd love to work with you on this since you started mythtv and all and would like to bring this further then just an open source project for computer experts |
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| 21:25 | Chutt | here's my standard answer: i have a good, stable job. it would take a considerable amount of money, up front, to make me consider something else. it'd take more to work for a startup. |
| 21:26 | Beirdo | I second that motion |
| 21:26 | nicedreams | chutt, i'd do contract with you so you don't have to risk a job or anything like that |
| 21:26 | Chutt | only way i'd contract is if it were on myth completely. |
| 21:26 | dhofstra | heh, add that to the topic, and it could save you from answering it every month or so |
| 21:27 | nicedreams | chutt, just for making modules that myth doesn't do with these other companies like movietickets.com for example |
| 21:27 | Chutt | and i own all my code, and i decide what to do. |
| 21:27 | nicedreams | can we talk about this in formal email or voice sometime? |
| 21:27 | Chutt | sure |
| 21:27 | nicedreams | can you pm me your email? |
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| 21:27 | Chutt | you've got my email :p |
| 21:28 | nicedreams | the issac one from the site right? |
| 21:28 | nicedreams | aw..so you saw my email already... |
| 21:28 | nicedreams | lol |
| 21:28 | nicedreams | :0 |
| 21:28 | nicedreams | i'll stay in contact with you. it's easier to chat other than here |
| 21:28 | Chutt | sure |
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| 21:28 | Chutt | send me some more info, if you'd like. |
| 21:29 | nicedreams | i sure will |
| 21:29 | Chutt | and it's "Isaac'. |
| 21:29 | nicedreams | :) |
| 21:29 | Chutt | i don't really appreciate people misspelling my name. |
| 21:29 | nicedreams | sry |
| 21:29 | NightMonkey | Chutt: IANAL, but I grew up around them...I'm sure you know - get it all in writing... verbal agreements are worth as much as the paper they're printed on ;) |
| 21:29 | Captain_Murdo | | need enough upfront money to retire off of when the thing goes bust. |
| 21:29 | Chutt | heh |
| 21:30 | nicedreams | i really must go though and make it to my kids concert |
| 21:30 | nicedreams | bye |
| 21:30 | rw | nicedreams, bye bye |
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| 21:31 | rw | Chutt, i don't think you really need to get out of your current job. You already hack in myth and work. The diference is that you going to have two salaries. |
| 21:32 | Beirdo | rw: don't confuse pipedreams with reality :) |
| 21:32 | Chutt | possibly |
| 21:33 | rkulagow_ | did i miss something interesting? |
| 21:33 | rw | Beirdo, if he is not lieing he has a good investor. |
| 21:33 | Captain_Murdo | | they better save some of that money for when they get sued by the *AA for skipping commercials. :) |
| 21:33 | Chutt | random guy wanting to make a commercial version of myth |
| 21:33 | rkulagow_ | yawn |
| 21:33 | Beirdo | a "good investor" is worthless. |
| 21:33 | rkulagow_ | has the check bounced? |
| 21:33 | Beirdo | venture capitalists back out all the time |
| 21:34 | rw | Beirdo, money open many doors... |
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| 21:34 | Beirdo | and they often have very unreasonable expectations due to the yes-men fronting the project. |
| 21:34 | NightMonkey | rw: And, with lawyers, it can close doors, too... |
| 21:34 | Beirdo | been there, done that |
| 21:34 | rkulagow_ | i think cringely just had an article that said that there's huge piles of money that the VCs are sitting on that they _have_ to spend soon, or they have to give it back to the investors |
| 21:36 | rw | Beirdo, maybe that's true, but considering that's not Chutt's and other developers problem, it will only be good, if it fail or not, he will stay in his stable job, having two salaries, still hacking myth the way he likes. What's wrong with that? If fails go back to one salary. Looks simple to me. |
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| 21:37 | Beirdo | it is the problem of anyone who gets involved, there can be potential liability involved |
| 21:38 | Beirdo | especially for Chutt if someone sues due to MythTV |
| 21:38 | cmorgan | what would they sue for? |
| 21:38 | Beirdo | money |
| 21:38 | Beirdo | :) |
| 21:38 | Beirdo | commercial skipping, etc |
| 21:38 | cmorgan | "your honor, i'm suing because of money." ? |
| 21:38 | Beirdo | there's plenty of things that the "industry" won't like |
| 21:38 | cmorgan | tivo already exists |
| 21:38 | rw | Beirdo, that's a company problem, not his... |
| 21:39 | cmorgan | they aren't suing them over commercials |
| 21:39 | mikegrb | they don't skip commercials |
| 21:39 | mikegrb | automagically |
| 21:39 | Beirdo | dvd ripping... |
| 21:39 | NightMonkey | Replay got sued.... |
| 21:39 | shadash | use DD |
| 21:39 | mikegrb | they had to take the 30 sec skip out even |
| 21:39 | rw | btw this resource can be simply removed. |
| 21:39 | Beirdo | and it wouldn't be a "company problem" if they sued directly |
| 21:40 | cmorgan | they would sue chutt for skipping his own commercials? |
| 21:40 | cmorgan | haha |
| 21:40 | Beirdo | don't underestimate the damage that lawsuits can challenge |
| 21:40 | rw | haha |
| 21:40 | Beirdo | create rather |
| 21:40 | NightMonkey | As soon as there is big money behind the project, it becomes a juicy target for corporate lawyers |
| 21:40 | cmorgan | seriously though, i'd be surprised if they could get a commercial skipping suit into court |
| 21:40 | Beirdo | no, for having written software that helps facilitate it, etc. |
| 21:40 | Beirdo | NightMonkey has it on the head |
| 21:41 | NightMonkey | Right now, they could sue you, win, and, maybe get a car out of it... Can't get blood from a stone... |
| 21:41 | Beirdo | if there's money for them to pillage, they may well take interest |
| 21:41 | cmorgan | the answer is to push forward quicker |
| 21:41 | mikegrb | cmorgan: people have been sued for commercial skipping |
| 21:41 | cmorgan | not to worry about what might happen |
| 21:41 | cmorgan | mikegrb: who? |
| 21:41 | rw | Beirdo, he copies it and modify it. So if you can have it, you can do whatever you want. That's the law. |
| 21:41 | mikegrb | cmorgan: replay tv |
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| 21:41 | mikegrb | cmorgan: and tivo was convinced to remove the 30 sec skip button under threat of litigation |
| 21:42 | cmorgan | mikegrb: apparently they decided to drop it just to get rid of the suit |
| 21:42 | mikegrb | tivo |
| 21:42 | mikegrb | replay was sued |
| 21:42 | cmorgan | i'm trying to find out what happened to that case |
| 21:43 | mikegrb | it doesn't matter what the end result was other then it cost replay much money in legal fees |
| 21:43 | NightMonkey | Beware of the bored corporate lawyers... best to stay out of their radar... |
| 21:44 | cmorgan | i guess we just need some tough and well funded people to stand up for that stuff |
| 21:44 | mikegrb | well funded is the key |
| 21:44 | mikegrb | and there is nobody with enough funding |
| 21:45 | Beirdo | the EFF would be there, I'm sure, but funding only goes so far |
| 21:45 | cmorgan | i think people would be pretty pissed about it |
| 21:45 | shadash | a retired IP lawyer that believes in principals is what you need. They have nothing better to do then be a thorn in someones side. ;-) |
| 21:46 | NightMonkey | Eben Moglen... |
| 21:46 | cmorgan | like when tivo brings up the idea of showing ads when you are skipping through commercials. people were pissed |
| 21:46 | cmorgan | whats happening with the broadcast flag? |
| 21:46 | cmorgan | i hope that crap doesn't go through |
| 21:47 | mikegrb | it is |
| 21:47 | mikegrb | and has |
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| 21:47 | Beirdo | now we can only try for an eventual reversal |
| 21:47 | mikegrb | Beirdo: <4 |
| 21:48 | mikegrb | Beirdo: that is even better then <3 |
| 21:48 | Beirdo | heh :) |
| 21:48 | cmorgan | http://www.eff.org/broadcastflag/ |
| 21:48 | cmorgan | it hasn't gone into effect yet though |
| 21:48 | mikegrb | so? |
| 21:48 | mikegrb | it will |
| 21:49 | mikegrb | it has a start date |
| 21:49 | cmorgan | it won't if its dropped before then |
| 21:49 | shadash | I talked to a friend of mine that does IP law about it. He said that although that law sux. There's nothing he could do about it. (Too many showbiz ties in his firm) |
| 21:49 | mikegrb | it won't be dropped |
| 21:49 | mikegrb | it is silly to think otherwise |
| 21:49 | cmorgan | as people find out that they can't record stuff they won't be happy |
| 21:49 | mikegrb | it is already passed |
| 21:50 | mikegrb | so |
| 21:50 | shadash | He would have been awesome his Thesis paper was on the microsoft/netscape case |
| 21:50 | mikegrb | people aren't happy about a lot of stuff, it doesn't change it |
| 21:51 | cmorgan | the government works for us |
| 21:51 | cmorgan | at least we can bitch so we have a chance of having it work like that |
| 21:52 | NightMonkey | I have a feeling that you-all should maybe chat with Eben Moglen soon - he's creating a, as he says, a "general counsel's office for the entire movement" - http://lwn.net/Articles/124035/ |
| 21:52 | cmorgan | i should donate some money to the eff |
| 21:52 | NightMonkey | Just FYI. |
| 21:53 | cmorgan | if you donate 100 bucks you get a tshirt |
| 21:53 | NightMonkey | cmorgan: I give to the EFF, but I think the Center for Democracy and Technology is more "up" on the issues: http://www.cdt.org/ |
| 21:55 | cmorgan | NightMonkey: i'll check it out. people are so rabid about giving to places that want to take our rights away, like the christian coalition, i feel obligated to fight the madness |
| 21:57 | NightMonkey | cmorgan: I hear ya. More of those people should give money to the Flat Earth Society. They don't lobby nearly so much... ;) |
| 21:57 | cmorgan | NightMonkey: i like what cdt has to say. i haven't heard of them before |
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| 21:57 | NightMonkey | cmorgan: It's funny. Not many people have heard of them - that's their major problem, I think. The EFF does a great marketing job. |
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| 21:58 | cmorgan | NightMonkey: they should get their reps to talk on shows like the connection on npr |
| 21:58 | NightMonkey | cmorgan: But, in my opinion, the EFF is more "reactive", and often only comes into an issue when the last vote is nearing completion... |
| 21:59 | NightMonkey | cmorgan: I guess it depends on what you want your donation money to go to - pundits on NPR, or lobbyists and analysts telling you what's going on as it happens. |
| 21:59 | NightMonkey | cmorgan: But, like I said, I give to both... |
| 22:00 | NightMonkey | Ack, I think this is way OT for this room - sorry folks. |
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| 22:00 | m0tion | rooms are on AOL, irc has channels =) |
| 22:00 | NightMonkey | doh! |
| 22:00 | cmorgan | NightMonkey: i'm just saying that there are plenty of shows that want to talk to people about the war between the public and corporate interests |
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| 22:01 | NightMonkey | cmorgan: CDT may have folks who chat on shows, too. I'm not an avid NPR listener. |
| 22:01 | cmorgan | NightMonkey: its a battle that most people don't even realize is going on today, with copyrights and the like |
| 22:01 | cmorgan | NightMonkey: thanks for pointing them out |
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| 22:02 | NightMonkey | cmorgan: I think that's always how it is. As I remember from my history, 1/3 of the people liked the French Revolution, 1/3 hated it, and 1/3 could care less. It's the 1/3 that could care less that decided the outcome. |
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| 22:02 | NightMonkey | cmorgan: No problem! |
| 22:02 | m0tion | chutt: i like that equipment rack in your theater, where'd you get it? |
| 22:04 | Beirdo | NightMonkey: don't forget the US elections, where just over 30% voted for Bush, just under 30% voted for Kerry, and about 40% didn't vote at all |
| 22:04 | NightMonkey | Wow, I think I greatly oversimplified the French Revolution. Sorry, France. |
| 22:04 | NightMonkey | Beirdo: Yep. Most people see politics as something that "other people do" in "other places". |
| 22:05 | NightMonkey | Beirdo: At least in the US. |
| 22:05 | Beirdo | and many other places |
| 22:05 | Beirdo | ah well |
| 22:05 | | gr8nash-home | yep.. of course the third that loses.. are always sure they are teh "right" third |
| 22:05 | NightMonkey | Beirdo: Hey, I don't blame them - most people need to focus on getting food on the table, kids into college, etc. |
| 22:06 | Beirdo | anyways... way off topic. maybe -users would be better :) |
| 22:06 | NightMonkey | Ack - sorry for the noise. |
| 22:06 | Beirdo | yeah, we went on tangents. naughty us. |
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| 23:11 | Gorbulas|iBoo | | Does anybody know how to improve the performance of mythfrontend over a wireless network? |
| 23:12 | Captain_Murdo | | try #mythtv-users, they might have some ideas. |
| 23:12 | Gorbulas|iBoo | | I just did |
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| 23:17 | | * Beirdo mumbles |
| 23:23 | Gorbulas|iBoo | | there isn't a way to increase the buffer length or something? |
| 23:24 | Chutt | thanks for paying attention to the topic |
| 23:24 | mikegrb | you are in the wrong channel |
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| 23:54 | Captain_Murdo | | Beirdo, so what was the deal with that file that exploded? did you say it _was_ rtjpeg? |
| 23:54 | Beirdo | yeah it was |
| 23:55 | Captain_Murdo | | and it did explode? |
| 23:55 | Captain_Murdo | | was it still playable? |
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