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| 07:05 | Femi | Hi, I have a little question: Do you use an IDE to develop MythTV, and if yes: which one? |
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| 07:35 | beavis | no they use no IDE |
| 07:35 | beavis | some are trying to use Eclipse |
| 07:35 | Femi | does eclipse support qt? |
| 07:37 | splat1 | isnt eclipse a java ide ? |
| 07:38 | Femi | i thought so too |
| 07:38 | beavis | you can use eclipse for everything |
| 07:39 | splat1 | ah |
| 07:39 | beavis | even for Cobol |
| 07:39 | beavis | you just have to install the CDT (C++ Development Tools) and you can code in c++ |
| 07:40 | | * splat1 uses nano |
| 07:41 | Femi | but what about the qmake project (.pro) files? |
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| 07:42 | thor_ | those are created by hand |
| 07:43 | Femi | ah ok |
| 07:43 | Femi | would kdevelop be a good choice? |
| 07:43 | thor_ | dunno, never used it |
| 08:14 | GeckoFiend | I use KDevelop |
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| 08:47 | Femi | and doed KDevelop does good work? |
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| 09:05 | GeckoFiend | it does the jon yeah |
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| 10:47 | GeckoFiend | chutt around? |
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| 10:53 | GeckoFiend | thor_ those files I just checked in should clear up the redraw problems you were seeing |
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| 12:10 | schnogg | hey there! are people having trouble emerging mythtv .17 on gentoo? I am having a compile error that is hard to trace with mythmusic |
| 12:11 | o_cee | topic |
| 12:11 | o_cee | ah, you already asked the same question there. _before_ asking in here. way to go. |
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| 12:44 | GeckoFiend | we need to add "don't use gentoo" in the docs |
| 12:46 | Wildgoose | I thought linux was all about choice? Didn't we leave the "one distro to rule them all" behind when we reject MS? |
| 12:47 | Wildgoose | gentoo and debian are the only two distros that I know which stay "up to date" continuously. Does Fedora do that now? |
| 12:49 | GreyFoxx | "up to date" is overrated. Unless there is a security flaw, and or bug that affects your usage then it's ridiculous to constantly update a stable system just because a version number has changed |
| 12:49 | GreyFoxx | or of a course a feature you require |
| 12:50 | GreyFoxx | You want security? Don't allow other people on your box, don't expost any ser vices, and those that you do, keep up on secutiry reports for them |
| 13:17 | mrrio | Wildgoose: in answer to your question, yes fedora does do it, and however 'overated', it is still pretty handy |
| 13:18 | Anduin | seems more appropriate for #distropissingcontest or -users |
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| 13:26 | psywar | so I'm following instructions here: http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php |
| 13:27 | psywar | it says to apt-get install nvidia-graphics6629-kmdl-$KVER |
| 13:27 | psywar | that says E: Couldn't find package nvidia-graphics6629-kmdl-2.6.10-1.766_FC3 |
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| 13:28 | psywar | I did an apt-cache search for nvidia-graphics but no luck - did they take them down or am I doing something wrong? |
| 13:29 | Anduin | psywar - try #mythtv-users |
| 13:29 | psywar | ok ty |
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| 14:53 | Tommck | so.. nobody in the -users group has been able (or attempted) to help me in days, so I am appealing to those in here to help. I can't get my WinTV (bt878) card to work properly in MythTV. It looks great in kdetv. it's blacnk and white and flickery in Myth. The card is being detected properly (even pulled the card and verified the chips on the board) and I still have the problem. What are my options (and PLEASE don't say "buy a PVR") |
| 14:56 | shadash | use fedora it auto configures tv cards |
| 14:56 | Tommck | shadash - so does SUSE (which I'm using) |
| 14:57 | GeckoFiend | then it sounds like you card isn't fully supported |
| 14:57 | Tommck | Gecko - it's pretty standard... bt878... w/ Philips tuner (tuner=2) |
| 14:57 | Tommck | Hauppauge |
| 14:57 | GeckoFiend | at any rate it's not a development related question |
| 14:57 | beavis | that's what I'm using |
| 14:57 | Tommck | Gecko - I know... and I apologize for that |
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| 14:58 | Tommck | I've been trying for days and everyone in the -users forum has just ignored me... I'm desperate |
| 15:05 | mikegrb | and we will ignore you here too |
| 15:05 | Tommck | thanks asshole |
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| 15:06 | mikegrb | no problem babe |
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| 15:30 | GeckoFiend | Chutt around? |
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| 15:32 | Sryvk | hello |
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| 16:26 | ehjay_home | does anyone have a mythconverg database dump I can have? I installed knoppmyth for a backend, but it never setup the tables for mythconverg |
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| 16:31 | Baylink | That's a -users question. :-) |
| 16:31 | ehjay_home | doh, sorry about that |
| 16:32 | ehjay_home | didn't notice i grabbed the wrong channel |
| 16:32 | ehjay_home | Baylink: later... |
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| 16:45 | tuxristo | Captain_Murdoch: have a minute |
| 16:45 | tuxristo | ? |
| 16:46 | Captain_Murdo | | sure |
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| 16:48 | tuxristo | Captain_Murdoch: is there any particular reason that commercial breaks at the end of recordingd need to be "closed off" ie the end marked as well as the beginning? |
| 16:49 | Captain_Murdo | | other than the fact that the code assumes that all breaks are closed, no, none that I can think of. it makes the code have to handle special cases in the flagger and in the playback skip code if it doesn't |
| 16:50 | tuxristo | i see |
| 16:50 | Captain_Murdo | | seeing a problem somewhere? |
| 16:51 | tuxristo | yup |
| 16:52 | tuxristo | it seems like the commercial end is flagged past the end of the show in some recordings |
| 16:52 | tuxristo | it causes hangs at the end of the show for up to 30 seconds |
| 16:52 | Captain_Murdo | | are you using CVS or 0.17? |
| 16:52 | tuxristo | cvs as of feb 16 |
| 16:52 | Baylink | Hey, Captain |
| 16:52 | GeckoFiend | Captain_Murdoch "Lost" makes a good commflag test show. it's the only one that messes up for me now. though the letterbox stuff might fix that |
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| 16:54 | Captain_Murdo | | tuxristo, can you re-run flagging with debugging turned on and email me the output? need to do 2 things to get the full output. set the DEBUGCOMMFLAG environment variable to 1 and then pass the "-v commflag" on the command line. redirect both stdout and stderr to a file and email me the results. |
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| 16:55 | Captain_Murdo | | GeckoFiend: yeah, we watched a Lost .last night and noticed it was missing some parts. the show was flagged using older code though, from shortly after 0.17. can't recall it being letterboxed and the one episode I have left unwatched isn't. I'll have to keep one of those around as a test from now on. |
| 16:55 | Captain_Murdo | | Hey baylink. |
| 16:56 | tuxristo | ok so set debug on in settings.pro , recompile ; set the enviro var; and pass the "-v commflag" to the backend ? |
| 16:57 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, the debug in settings.pro isnt' as important, the env var and "-v" option will turn on a boatload of debug output. |
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| 16:57 | tuxristo | ok, did you see this post on the dev list ? --> "[mythtv] cvs mythfrontend freezing at end of _some_ recordings (with backtrace)" |
| 16:57 | Baylink | Any luck on the anti-explosion patch? |
| 16:59 | Captain_Murdo | | haven't had a chance to mess with it. I looked over the code on Friday but didn't code anything up. Beirdo said that the show he saw it on was RTJPEG is that true for you also? |
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| 16:59 | Baylink | I believe he was looking at mine, at the time; I'd run nuvinfo and mailed it to him. |
| 16:59 | Captain_Murdo | | I don't see anywhere in the code that would turn off compression unless you were using rtjpeg and not the libav* routines. |
| 17:00 | Captain_Murdo | | ok. have you had it happen recently? |
| 17:00 | Baylink | I dunno, but it seems to be very specific to shows that have been commflagged (not merely cutlisted). |
| 17:00 | Baylink | Yeah. |
| 17:00 | Baylink | Blew a half hour up to 8gb. Still playable, but not seekable |
| 17:00 | Baylink | *might* have kept it/ |
| 17:00 | Baylink | Can reproduce on request, though. |
| 17:02 | Captain_Murdo | | are you using rtjpeg? |
| 17:02 | Baylink | Not on purpose. IVTV source; Xvid target |
| 17:03 | Captain_Murdo | | so your transcoding profile for mpeg-2 source is set to mpeg-4? |
| 17:03 | Baylink | Correct. |
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| 17:04 | Captain_Murdo | | ok, if it happens again, can you run his nuvscan program on the file and get the first 20 or so lines of the output so I can see what the file header looks like? |
| 17:05 | Captain_Murdo | | the only time it should switch to uncompressed mode is when using rtjpeg (that is a bug, the transcoder should never switch), but I'm also curious why it's switching for you. |
| 17:07 | Baylink | The one he was looking at before is at bakulanews.dyndns.org:8080/nuvscan.out.gz |
| 17:09 | Captain_Murdo | | ok, thanks. |
| 17:10 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch, thought anything about the flagging ideas? |
| 17:11 | Baylink | I *believe* it's the same symptom now, a couple revs later, but if you can't see anything in the code that looks like that, I'll go break another one. Gotta run now. Thanks, again. |
| 17:11 | o_cee | mythsoap? |
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| 17:15 | tuxristo | Captain_Murdoch: it's reflagging now , I thought i'd mention the workaround i found for the hangs. load a cutlist by pressing "z" in edit recordings and delete the very last cut point at the very end of the show |
| 17:15 | Captain_Murdo | | tuxristo: yeah, I think I saw that post but didn't get around to replying to it yet. |
| 17:16 | Captain_Murdo | | o_cee, not much, been kinda fried lately. |
| 17:16 | o_cee | allright, getting my messages? |
| 17:16 | tuxristo | Captain_Murdoch: ok whenever you have time, i'll email you the debug output as well |
| 17:17 | Captain_Murdo | | o_cee: yeah, just read them. the pixel count is the number of pixels that had the edges, so that will change with the different threshold used even though the area is the same. does that recording have a logo on it? |
| 17:19 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch, yeah it does, it's from Kanal5, think you got a test of it. could send you a screenshot if you want? |
| 17:19 | o_cee | thought that count was the size of the area |
| 17:19 | Captain_Murdo | | no, it's the pixels that match I believe (off the top of my head) |
| 17:20 | Captain_Murdo | | this is a 5 with a circle around it right? |
| 17:20 | o_cee | yeah |
| 17:20 | o_cee | don't think they changed their logo recently either |
| 17:20 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, got a sample of that. I'll try to take a look at it. |
| 17:20 | o_cee | cool |
| 17:21 | Captain_Murdo | | tuxristo: you can email it anytime. |
| 17:23 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch, i really don't see why it won't work, it's not at all very different from TV4 wich works very well. a little transparent, that's all |
| 17:25 | Captain_Murdo | | o_cee, could be too small. do you have the output from earlier where it checked with a edgeDiff of 5 or 7? |
| 17:25 | o_cee | yeah, one sec |
| 17:27 | Captain_Murdo | | so it's not getting it at all, I was wondering if it was too small. this is in the upper right hand corner right? |
| 17:27 | o_cee | yep |
| 17:33 | Captain_Murdo | | didn't find it here either when I just ran a test on that sample. |
| 17:34 | o_cee | i don't think the logo itself looks _that_ bad? |
| 17:36 | Captain_Murdo | | not really. let me turn on some more debuging and run it again. |
| 17:37 | o_cee | playing around with some thresholds in the gimp.. and trying to figure out the logodetection.. what kind of method is actually used, i mean, there's lots of edge detection algorithms |
| 17:38 | Captain_Murdo | | don't know. :) it just looks at the pixel edgeDiff pixels away up/down/right/left and determines if that pixel looks like it's an edge. |
| 17:38 | Captain_Murdo | | I'm far from a graphics programming person, I'm suprised it works as good as it does sometimes. :) |
| 17:38 | o_cee | allright, would probably be possible to do something better then :) |
| 17:39 | Captain_Murdo | | probably |
| 17:39 | o_cee | i'm reading about stuff like this right now so maybe i can come up with something |
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| 17:39 | Captain_Murdo | | ok |
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| 17:48 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch, did you see anything more from your debugoutput? |
| 17:49 | Captain_Murdo | | no, turning on some graphical output so I can see why it's not detecting edges (or what it is detecting) |
| 17:49 | Captain_Murdo | | had to code a little. |
| 17:49 | o_cee | okay.. what do you think about using templates for searching for the logo? |
| 17:52 | Captain_Murdo | | this would contain what? a layout of what the logo looks like? |
| 17:52 | o_cee | yeah |
| 17:55 | o_cee | hard to tune |
| 17:55 | Captain_Murdo | | could work, you got example code? :) I'd have to see some logic on how to check for it because it'd take me forever to think up something to do that. |
| 17:55 | o_cee | still think looking at non-moving parts of the image could work out well |
| 17:56 | o_cee | yeah well got it here in a book but it would work better for things like text recognition, don't think it's fuzzy enough for a logo like this, especially not half transparent |
| 17:56 | Captain_Murdo | | the code is picking up edges in that area (at least on the first frame it just displayed, stepping through frame-by frame now. |
| 18:01 | Captain_Murdo | | ok, testing something now. the code was detecting the diagonal edges also but I wasn't doing anything with them, I'm wondering if the diagonals were throwing off the other and causing it to miss the logo. compiling a new version now to test. |
| 18:01 | o_cee | ok |
| 18:02 | o_cee | in the meantime, check out edge detection in the gimp, especially something like Sobel.. |
| 18:02 | tuxristo | channel icons are stored in ~/.mythtv/channels/ right and they look exactly like the logos that get displayed, any way to leverage thet? |
| 18:02 | o_cee | "exactly" != exactly |
| 18:03 | tuxristo | well not exactly but close |
| 18:03 | tuxristo | if you ran edge detection on the channel icon it'd be very very close |
| 18:03 | tuxristo | to the logo in the program |
| 18:03 | Captain_Murdo | | close but no cigar. :) NBC here uses 3-4 different logos at different times. |
| 18:03 | o_cee | yeah, guess the problem is the big variety |
| 18:04 | o_cee | yey, gimp lets you do your own kernel to play with :) |
| 18:05 | Captain_Murdo | | tuxristo: there's a lot of stuff missing from that log output, did you turn on both the environment variable and the "-v commflag" option? |
| 18:06 | tuxristo | Captain_Murdoch: hmm which one do you think didn't take, i'll try again |
| 18:06 | Captain_Murdo | | the -v commflag it appears. the "Fr:" lines are from the environment variable debug setting. |
| 18:07 | tuxristo | probably a typo on my part let me try again :( |
| 18:09 | tuxristo | export DEBUGCOMMFLAG=1 && mythbackend -v mythcommflag 2>/root/trouble-rereflag.log 1>/root/trouble-rereflag.log |
| 18:10 | Captain_Murdo | | just run mythcommflag, not mythbackend |
| 18:10 | Captain_Murdo | | and it's "-v commflag", not "-v mythcommflag" |
| 18:10 | tuxristo | doh |
| 18:10 | Captain_Murdo | | DEBUGCOMMFLAG=1 mythcommflag --chanid CHANID --starttime YYYYMMDDHHMMSS -v commflag |
| 18:10 | Captain_Murdo | | substitute in your chanid and starttime |
| 18:11 | Captain_Murdo | | and send the output to a file |
| 18:13 | tuxristo | i was gonna do -v all |
| 18:14 | tuxristo | but i'll do -v commflag ; i also shut down the backend |
| 18:14 | tuxristo | mythcommflag -v commflag -f /mnt/store/1042_20050216183000_20050216190000.nuv 2>/root/trouble-rereflag.log 1>/root/trouble-rereflag.log |
| 18:14 | o_cee | just the filename |
| 18:16 | tuxristo | 281fps :) |
| 18:23 | Captain_Murdo | | o_cee, I downloaded some sample sobel code from http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~weg22/edge.html and will take a look at it. I also looked at the samples on http://www.pbase.com/lasm/edge_detect_in_gimp looks nice. |
| 18:26 | o_cee | yeah. it's very simple really, two kernels say 5x5 with a special layout, run them over the image (place on top, multiply with the underlying pixel, and add em all together to the pixel in the middle for the final image). run thru all pixels like that. since you're already cropping the image the edges won't be a problem, normally you'll get an image wich is 1px smaller at the edges, doesn't matter much here anyway. anway, two kernels, one |
| 18:26 | o_cee | for hori and one for vert. then just add the two images together and you've got edges :) |
| 18:26 | o_cee | guess there might be better computer algorithms |
| 18:27 | Captain_Murdo | | I'll do some reading up on it. looks like it could be better and would probably mean I could check less frames. |
| 18:29 | o_cee | yeah seems like a good start the first page |
| 18:33 | MajestiK | Captain_Murdoch: FYI, I just tried the mythcommflag -> cutlist, and it seems to be working perfectly |
| 18:34 | Captain_Murdo | | tuxristo: that looks better. |
| 18:34 | Captain_Murdo | | MajestiK: cool. |
| 18:35 | Captain_Murdo | | tuxristo: so on that show, what is the last frame you can get to in the editor? |
| 18:36 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch, there's also the "Canny Edge" detector, probably overkill though |
| 18:36 | Captain_Murdo | | that page I linked to says that laplace is subject to noise which is something we have to consider also. |
| 18:37 | o_cee | yeah, canny edge is supposed to handle noise good |
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| 18:38 | MajestiK | Captain_Murdoch: you think anyone would be interested in a script that would convert all recordings with a clean commflag to a cutlist? |
| 18:38 | Captain_Murdo | | don't know, post on -users and see. users want a lot of things I might not be interested in. :) |
| 18:39 | Captain_Murdo | | tuxristo: you still here? |
| 18:39 | MajestiK | K, I should prolly test it a little more first :) |
| 18:39 | tuxristo | yup |
| 18:40 | tuxristo | ok first i loaded the cutlist by pressing z |
| 18:40 | tuxristo | echo 'select cutlist from recorded where chanid=1042 and starttime="20050216183000";' | mysql -uroot mythconverg |
| 18:40 | tuxristo | cutlist |
| 18:40 | tuxristo | 0 - 887\n15619 - 19089\n27092 - 32165\n47612 - 53853\n |
| 18:40 | tuxristo | this is what i got |
| 18:40 | tuxristo | then i deleted the last cut point and put it in manually |
| 18:41 | tuxristo | ie added a "delete before this frame" right at the end and got: |
| 18:41 | tuxristo | 0 - 887\n15619 - 19089\n27092 - 32165\n47612 - 53792\n |
| 18:41 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, the flagger played consecutive frames 0-53852 but you are getting cut off 2 seconds prior to that for some reason. let me look at the recordedmarkup stuff you sent. |
| 18:42 | tuxristo | k |
| 18:42 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch, did the change help anything or you haven't tried it yet? |
| 18:43 | Captain_Murdo | | o_cee, keep having to recompile. my test sample isn't long enough to grab the logo using the normal method so I had to change the timeframes it checks to test. |
| 18:44 | Captain_Murdo | | lots of noise (in the detection algorithm) in the sample I have and that is messing it up I think. |
| 18:44 | o_cee | okay. well going to bed now.. will see what i can come up with, will need to talk to one of my teachers about it maybe |
| 18:45 | Captain_Murdo | | it is picking up the edges, the logo area is clearly defined in the video output... |
| 18:45 | Captain_Murdo | | hmm, it picked it up fine. |
| 18:45 | o_cee | with the change you made? |
| 18:45 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, not sure if that fixed it though since I couldn't run it full before because of the short sample. want to try something? |
| 18:46 | o_cee | sure |
| 18:46 | Captain_Murdo | | ok, in commercial_skip.cpp, find CommDetect::DetectEdges and go to the bottom of that method and search for the line that starts like this: edges[pos].ldiag++ |
| 18:47 | Captain_Murdo | | you want to comment out the "if" statement that has the edges[pos].ldiag++ in it as well as the next "if" statement that has the edges[pos].rdiag++ in it. comment out the whole if statement. |
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| 18:48 | Captain_Murdo | | then, on the next "if" statement that says "if (edgeCount >= 3)" change that to "if (edgeCount == 2)" |
| 18:50 | Captain_Murdo | | tuxristo: what kind of encoder do you have? |
| 18:50 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch, compiling.. gimme a minute |
| 18:51 | tuxristo | pvr 250 |
| 18:53 | Captain_Murdo | | tuxristo: the whole seektable appears to be in the DB, there is a keyframe 3590 which is 53850 frames. |
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| 18:59 | Captain_Murdo | | tuxristo: not sure right now and I have to run out. I'll check into it further and try to simulate. |
| 19:00 | tuxristo | ok |
| 19:01 | tuxristo | want me to post the nuv somewhere? |
| 19:03 | Captain_Murdo | | nah, that probably won't help. I can simulate easy enough to test but I'd like to figure out why. I'll see if any of mine do it in case it does it everywhere. usually I hit 'D' to delete before getting to the end of a program |
| 19:04 | tuxristo | it only happens to one out of every 20 show -> bc it's not very often that there is a commercial flagged right to the end like that |
| 19:04 | tuxristo | also i never saw it b4 0.17 |
| 19:06 | Captain_Murdo | | lots of big changes from 0.16 to 0.17, could be any one of a few things. |
| 19:08 | tuxristo | ok ttyl then; thanks for your time |
| 19:09 | Captain_Murdo | | bbl |
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| 20:04 | GeckoFiend | hrm trying not to be an ass about the whole multiple audio tracks thing. Is asking for an implementation that doesn't break stuff for existing users too much to ask? |
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| 20:54 | jasonb | Ugh.. the atrpm packages of mythtv 0.17 are not compiled such that firewire input doesn't work. |
| 20:55 | jasonb | s/not compiled/compiled/ |
| 20:55 | | * jasonb recompiles with --enable-dc1394 |
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| 21:21 | Chutt | heh |
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| 21:45 | Baylink | Hey, Chutt. |
| 21:46 | Baylink | Me, Tyler and Jon are working on the site translation. |
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| 21:46 | dopester | back in america |
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| 21:54 | gfiend | I love dialup I REALLY do |
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| 22:02 | jasonb | RPM build errors: |
| 22:02 | jasonb | File must begin with "/": %{_varlibdir}/mythtv |
| 22:02 | jasonb | Anyone know how to fix that? I'm building on FC3. |
| 22:02 | jasonb | Apparently atrpms define some extra variables for RPM builds, and I'm missing the configs for that, and I can't find info on where to get it. |
| 22:09 | jasonb | Hmm, maybe these: |
| 22:09 | jasonb | %_varlibdir /var/lib |
| 22:09 | jasonb | %_varcachedir /var/cache |
| 22:09 | jasonb | %_initdir /etc/rc.d/init.d |
| 22:09 | jasonb | %_sysconfigdir /etc/sysconfig |
| 22:09 | jasonb | %_logrotatedir /etc/logrotate.d |
| 22:09 | jasonb | %_logdir /var/log |
| 22:09 | shadash | jasonb: look at the .spec file |
| 22:10 | shadash | it will tell you what params they've added |
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| 22:17 | jasonb | shadash: Nah, these are atrpms macros definitions that are outside the scope of MythTV, but aren't part of the distros. |
| 22:18 | jasonb | shadash: I may have figured it out though.. rebuilding now. |
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| 22:34 | schnogg | got any idea about Session management error: authentication rejected |
| 22:35 | schnogg | is anyone actually here? am I able to talk in this channel? |
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| 22:39 | GeckoFiend | schnogg read /topic |
| 22:39 | schnogg | hrm.... I must have typed it wrong. I thought that I went tehre and it was empty. |
| 22:39 | schnogg | thanks |
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| 23:59 | rkulagow_ | hey, dopester. here? |
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