| --- | Log | opened Tue Mar 22 00:00:03 2005 |
| 00:03 | rkulagow__ | looks like i missed a memo or something. setup/setup is now setup/mythtv-setup |
| 00:04 | rkulagow__ | dopester: here? |
| 00:07 | dopester | yep |
| 00:07 | rkulagow__ | so, looks like OTA works. |
| 00:07 | dopester | cool |
| 00:07 | rkulagow__ | except i've wedged myself onto a channel that i can't get a lock on, and restarting just puts me back into the same channel |
| 00:07 | dopester | larrick i think helped me to find something really good a minute ago.. |
| 00:07 | dopester | change teh startchan in your db |
| 00:07 | dopester | i really gotta figure out how ot make the frontend handle no data elegantly |
| 00:08 | rkulagow__ | yeah, digging through now. which table? |
| 00:08 | dopester | cardinput |
| 00:09 | rkulagow__ | huh. it was blank |
| 00:09 | rkulagow__ | ok, set it to 71, which should be good for me. |
| 00:09 | dopester | well thats bad too :) |
| 00:09 | dopester | i have no idea where the nulls are coming from with it |
| 00:11 | rkulagow__ | looks like i've got vbi data showing up on line 2 or 3 |
| 00:11 | dopester | you have vbi |
| 00:11 | dopester | there is really no data left im sure :) |
| 00:12 | dopester | some channels don't crop the vbi out when encoding |
| 00:12 | rkulagow__ | well, it's that typical pulsing line at the very top |
| 00:12 | dopester | yep |
| 00:13 | dopester | hows your ota reception overall? |
| 00:16 | rkulagow__ | varies. this is bad: |
| 00:16 | rkulagow__ | 2005-03-21 23:15:22.447 DVB#0 WARNING - Uncorrectable error in packet, dropped. |
| 00:16 | rkulagow__ | 2005-03-21 23:15:22.447 DVB#0 WARNING - Transport Stream Continuity Error. PID = 49 |
| 00:16 | dopester | yep :) |
| 00:16 | rkulagow__ | looks like i'm wedged again |
| 00:18 | rkulagow__ | ok, unwedged. |
| 00:18 | rkulagow__ | some channels seem to have interlace-type issues. i'm displaying on a SDTV on a FC3 / MX440 box |
| 00:18 | dopester | are they upconverting i wonder? |
| 00:19 | dopester | i know one of the stations here gets the fields swapped sometimes |
| 00:19 | rkulagow__ | i get thin horizontal lines at the edges of some things, like faces. |
| 00:19 | rkulagow__ | definately saw something during horizontal pan |
| 00:22 | dopester | hehe the wonders of digital tv |
| 00:22 | dopester | in a country where no station cares about their digital feeds |
| 00:22 | rkulagow__ | anyway, it's not terrible for a 12" UHF loop with a cheapo amp on it |
| 00:23 | rkulagow__ | although i keep seeing macroblocks when i take a error hit, but that comes with the territors |
| 00:23 | dopester | god no |
| 00:23 | rkulagow__ | or, territory |
| 00:23 | rkulagow__ | living in flatland (aka, chicago) has its benefits sometimes |
| 00:24 | dopester | you must not have lots of multipath |
| 00:24 | dopester | i can't get anything indoors at all |
| 00:24 | dopester | but mulitpath is pretty bad here |
| 00:24 | rkulagow__ | two streets over i can look east and see the sears tower; ~ 15 miles or so |
| 00:24 | dopester | broadcast towers on there? |
| 00:25 | rkulagow__ | yep; that and the hancock tower |
| 00:25 | rkulagow__ | building is shorter, but it's still good enough apparently. |
| 00:26 | rkulagow__ | anything can be done about the overwriting of startchan? ideally, "something" should maintain the failsafe channel for situations where we get wedged. |
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| 00:27 | dopester | thats a small part of the problem |
| 00:27 | dopester | if the frontend could handle the data outage and allow you to change channel it would be ok |
| 00:28 | dopester | unfortunatly im just now starting to look into the frontend to see how to fix it |
| 00:28 | rkulagow__ | well, i'm just glad that the card itself works for OTA, even if QAM doesn't seem to do anything. |
| 00:29 | dopester | i run into the problem where the startchan might go off the air and im still stuck |
| 00:29 | dopester | cause the hd feed of pbs here is only on from 8-11 |
| 00:29 | dopester | so if i go to livetv at say 1115 im screwed |
| 00:29 | dopester | yeah the next card will be much much better.. i wish i could say more |
| 00:29 | rkulagow__ | i tuned to pbs-hd and didn't get audio. is that because i don't have fancy 5.1 audio, or potentially something else? |
| 00:30 | dopester | just keep your loop anenna around it should be all you need |
| 00:30 | dopester | could be the audio pid double closing issue |
| 00:30 | dopester | you using ts or ps mode? |
| 00:30 | dopester | id recomend changing to ts mode from now on |
| 00:31 | dopester | the ps conversion has a bug in it that im probbably not going to fix since its not my code |
| 00:32 | dopester | ts mode will always record audio, but the madness in the frontend from dtk and mark anderson needs to be fixed properly, but it won't be a 3-4 liner |
| 00:33 | rkulagow__ | ok |
| 00:33 | rkulagow__ | right now it's just straight default, so i think it's ps |
| 00:33 | dopester | commenting out the av_remove_stream stuff in avformatdecoder.cpp will fix the problem most of the time |
| 00:33 | dopester | yeah ps is default |
| 00:34 | dopester | can't wait to rip that out |
| 00:34 | dopester | i checked in a fix last night to fix the startup delay with livetv and ts mode you will want to grab |
| 00:34 | dopester | that was one of the 2 irritating bugs in ts mode. |
| 00:34 | dopester | 2nd being the audio stuff |
| 00:35 | rkulagow__ | interesting. 2.4Ghz HT; mythfrontend is 89%, X is 25% on a 1920x1080 stream (PBS-HD, which now apparently _is_ sending audio) |
| 00:35 | rkulagow__ | downscaling to 720x480 |
| 00:35 | dopester | the usage seems high |
| 00:36 | dopester | considering i can play the same recording with mplayer with much less utilization |
| 00:36 | dopester | could just be sse stuff helping it out in software though |
| 00:36 | rkulagow__ | chutt: here? |
| 00:37 | dopester | maybe dtks super optimized .pro files will fix that :) |
| 00:37 | rkulagow__ | i ran into the new improved configure script as we were debugging earlier today. did a CVS update before i saw the message in -commit. i was like, "wtf!" |
| 00:38 | dopester | coding myth makes me feel like cheech and im kickin' it with chong.. hehe |
| 00:38 | rkulagow__ | that's when i saw that he had set it up to reject DVB headers in the kernel tree |
| 00:38 | dopester | it seemed a bit agressive for just getting cvs access.. |
| 00:39 | rkulagow__ | well, life's short, eh? |
| 00:39 | dopester | the dvb headers thing is really bad too i don't see why it needed changing at all.. the kernel always seemed the right way to do it |
| 00:39 | rkulagow__ | ok, i'm off. ttyl. thanks. |
| 00:39 | dopester | np |
| 00:39 | dopester | let me know if you get audio issues with ts mode, i should be able to do something in a week or so to do it right |
| 00:40 | dopester | then again dtk might say its too agressive a change.. hehe |
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| 03:49 | o_cee | Chutt, thanks :) |
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| 08:57 | DrRotmos | Hello, is anyone currently working on auto-switching of input cards? |
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| 09:31 | _rkulagow_ | chutt: here? |
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| 11:42 | Chutt | rkulagow, here now |
| 11:44 | _rkulagow_ | how do you want to handle pdf's with graphics in them? the filesize will get bigger, and right now i commit the pdf along with everything else. how will you get new pdf's in place if i don't cvs them? |
| 11:46 | Chutt | well, i could get you access to the vserver that the website runs on |
| 11:46 | Chutt | then you could upload em + the docs yourself =) |
| 11:46 | _rkulagow_ | too much responsibility, man! |
| 11:47 | Chutt | yeah, scary |
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| 13:29 | beavis | thor_: why doesn't myth compile now without the --march=k8 flag on amd64? |
| 13:29 | beavis | -doesn't+does |
| 13:29 | Anduin | beavis - it isn't the same thor |
| 13:30 | beavis | oops ;) |
| 13:33 | Anduin | beavis - are you passing --cpu? |
| 13:33 | beavis | so do i have to explicitly pass it now? |
| 13:33 | Anduin | beavis - you shouldn't have to, what does configure say your cpu type is? |
| 13:33 | beavis | I thought almost everything's going automatically now |
| 13:34 | beavis | CPU x86_64 |
| 13:34 | Anduin | are you passing --tune? |
| 13:35 | beavis | --tune? where did you find this option? |
| 13:35 | beavis | ah ok it's there |
| 13:35 | beavis | no i didn't pass it |
| 13:35 | Anduin | hmm then OPTFLAGS should already have =march-k8 |
| 13:36 | Anduin | are you doing a debug build? |
| 13:36 | beavis | yes i wanted to |
| 13:36 | beavis | OPTFLAGS=-O3 |
| 13:37 | Anduin | sorry ARCHFLAGS |
| 13:37 | | * thor_ is still amazed there's another thor out there |
| 13:38 | beavis | I just wandered why you know commit with the name danielk |
| 13:38 | beavis | ARCHFLAGS= |
| 13:38 | beavis | but TARGET_ARCH_X86_64=yes |
| 13:38 | Anduin | beavis - the check is around line 839, look there. |
| 13:39 | beavis | hmm so it's not really easier now when I still have to pass everything :/ |
| 13:39 | Anduin | beavis - the other thor recently got cvs access |
| 13:40 | Anduin | I'd call it a work in progress, a few minor tweaks and I have it working with significantly fewer hacks than before. |
| 13:41 | beavis | ./configure --enable-dvb --CPU=x86_64 --enable-dvb-eit --disable-joystick-menu --disable-ivtv --prefix=/usr --compile-type=DEBUG --tune=k8 <-- not really better ;) |
| 13:42 | Anduin | sure, eventually you shouldn't need --cpu or --tune for what you are doing |
| 13:42 | beavis | then I still have to make with: make CC=gcc-3.4 CXX=g++-3.4 LINK=g++-3.4 |
| 13:43 | thor_ | hmmm, sounds like an itch |
| 13:49 | Chutt | you really should adjust your qmake setup |
| 13:49 | Chutt | that's what should be selecting the proper cc/etc |
| 14:09 | beavis | but shouldn't it automatically select -march=k8? |
| 14:12 | Anduin | yes, find out why it doesn't |
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| 14:40 | beavis | Chutt: of course should ./configure tell the user to take gcc>=3.4 if -march is set to k8. This flag is not available on gcc<3.4. |
| 14:41 | Chutt | they'll find out soon enough if they try it :p |
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| 14:41 | Chutt | selecting what compiler to use is part of qmake's job |
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| 17:26 | Chutt | heh, looks like i only owe $3k to federal & state taxes this year |
| 17:26 | Chutt | on to figuring out local, yay |
| 17:27 | thor_ | oh crap, taxes |
| 17:27 | Chutt | i still don't have all my info yet i need to actually file :( |
| 17:27 | thor_ | I'm still waiting on my Canadian accountant, 'cause I need that return before I can file in the US |
| 17:28 | thor_ | PITA |
| 17:28 | Chutt | heh |
| 17:28 | Chutt | yeah, i'm waiting on a schedule k from my last job (i own a chunk of the company) |
| 17:28 | thor_ | hmm, back to rtsp |
| 17:28 | Chutt | even though i know income is going to be 0, still gotta wait |
| 17:28 | thor_ | that's the collab filtering firm? |
| 17:28 | Chutt | yeah |
| 17:29 | thor_ | heh, who knows, might be worth something someday (in a world where people will pay for AskJeeves, anything is possible) |
| 17:29 | Chutt | yeah |
| 17:29 | Chutt | i might even get the backpay they owe me eventually |
| 17:30 | thor_ | they're operating in zero employee mode now? |
| 17:30 | Chutt | yup |
| 17:30 | thor_ | well, never know ... maybe that next sales call ... |
| 17:35 | o_cee | bah need to finish up these mythfilldatabase cleanups.. tonight. |
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| 17:43 | Chutt | blah, local taxes come to 1500 |
| 17:43 | thor_ | move |
| 17:44 | Chutt | heh |
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| 17:45 | Chutt | yeah, don't want to do that |
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| 17:46 | thor_ | IRA's maxed out ? |
| 17:46 | o_cee | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+Telemarketer+Torture hahaha, i'll definitely do something like that :) |
| 17:46 | Chutt | thor, localality doesn't allow _any_ deductions. |
| 17:46 | thor_ | wow, that's actually pretty impressive |
| 17:47 | Chutt | but, yeah, maxed out our iras last year |
| 17:47 | Chutt | probably will this year, but that's a bit easier, as our max contribution is now $0 |
| 17:47 | thor_ | is it flat rate as well? |
| 17:47 | Chutt | stupid tax laws |
| 17:47 | Chutt | yeah, 2% local tax |
| 17:48 | thor_ | holy crap, a flat and kinkless tax regime |
| 17:48 | thor_ | that's a friggin miracle |
| 17:48 | Chutt | it sucks :p |
| 17:48 | Chutt | my wife pays 2.85% local taxes, because of where she works |
| 17:50 | o_cee | is that all the taxes? or part of it? |
| 17:50 | Chutt | that's the part we pay to the city we live in |
| 17:50 | Chutt | completely separate from state + federal |
| 17:50 | o_cee | what does it all add up to? |
| 17:50 | thor_ | ah, well, then not flat |
| 17:50 | Chutt | and completely ignoring that they rape us on property taxes, too |
| 17:50 | thor_ | I knew it was impossible |
| 17:51 | o_cee | got 30-50% here... yey... |
| 17:52 | thor_ | my marginal tax rate in NYC was over 50% |
| 17:53 | thor_ | that sucks |
| 17:53 | Chutt | heh, yes |
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| 17:56 | Beirdo | o_cee: that's terrific, I should put that on my asterisk setup |
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| 18:02 | grahamf | hey, has anyone had any success getting mythtv to work with a radeon 7500 all-in-wonder? on asny distro? |
| 18:03 | grahamf | terribly sorry. wrong chan |
| 18:03 | Beirdo | I'm sure the topic could shed light |
| 18:03 | Beirdo | not to mention the documentation |
| 18:03 | grahamf | i can't find anything on it. |
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| 18:05 | Chutt | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 |
| 18:05 | Chutt | hardware compatability section of the docs. |
| 18:05 | Chutt | This is the MythTV development channel. For mythtv related user support, go to #mythtv-users |
| 18:05 | Chutt | topic of this channel. |
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| 18:06 | kvandivo | or, if you don't want to dig that far, go to mythtv.org and click on General Info and read the system requirements |
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| 18:07 | o_cee | Chutt, do you know how mythfilldatabase handles the change to dst? |
| 18:07 | Chutt | nope |
| 18:08 | Chutt | i've never bothered to write code specifically for that |
| 18:08 | o_cee | i'll just tell the users of our data to make a new refresh after the switch then |
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| 18:41 | dopester | yeah the fix for larrick worked like a champ |
| 18:50 | Chutt | will it fix my problems? =) |
| 18:50 | dopester | nope :) |
| 18:50 | Chutt | :( |
| 18:50 | dopester | you gotta get data |
| 18:50 | dopester | OH.. let me checkin that mini fix for the cable scan.. |
| 18:52 | Chutt | weren't there a couple other dvb related patches? |
| 18:52 | dopester | yeah i keep missing john to get the lastest from him |
| 18:53 | dopester | the scanwizard stuff i still might want to run past you since its gui stuff |
| 18:53 | thor_ | what was the "fix for larrick" |
| 18:53 | o_cee | teletext will be nice to have :) |
| 18:53 | dopester | the dvb drivers don't crc check packets that have the section_syntax_indicator set to 0 |
| 18:53 | dopester | so some bad packets would get through |
| 18:53 | thor_ | ah, not my solution |
| 18:54 | thor_ | err, the solution to my problems |
| 18:54 | dopester | the drivers are doing the right thing since that flag means the packet shoudln't be crc checked i just didn't realize it did that until i looked at the source :) |
| 18:56 | dopester | chutt: see if you can get anything now.. updated siparser to hopefully get more channels on cable.. |
| 18:57 | Chutt | ok |
| 18:58 | dopester | still a few more tweaks i can do to the scan they just need testing not if statement removal :) |
| 18:59 | Chutt | re-scanning |
| 18:59 | Chutt | this'll take a bit |
| 19:00 | dopester | yeah i could probbably change the delay to be a bit shorter |
| 19:00 | Chutt | should i buy a hd3k? |
| 19:00 | Chutt | think that'd work for qam? |
| 19:00 | dopester | i dunno |
| 19:00 | dopester | design specs of the new air2pc is qam compatibility |
| 19:01 | Chutt | oh, and, why does the scan start at 10% =) |
| 19:01 | dopester | it made more sense on dvb scaning |
| 19:01 | dopester | the first step of dvb scaning is getting a list of channels to scan |
| 19:02 | dopester | but since atsc doesnt have one, and you can't decode the opencable one it just starts there :) |
| 19:02 | Chutt | ah |
| 19:02 | dopester | you could also say we followed microsoft progress bar design criteria |
| 19:02 | thor_ | could it go to 110%? |
| 19:03 | thor_ | like my amp that goes to 11? |
| 19:04 | Chutt | heh |
| 19:04 | dopester | hrmm... gotta be something else more retarted you could do.. |
| 19:04 | Chutt | i like how the progress box obscures all the output behind it |
| 19:05 | dopester | ok your the second one who said that.. |
| 19:05 | Chutt | it's pretty pointless to have that output if you can't see it. |
| 19:05 | dopester | i think its a resolution dependent thing comes out fine at higher resolutions if i remember right |
| 19:07 | Chutt | it can't be :p |
| 19:07 | Chutt | the popup obscures everything |
| 19:07 | Chutt | it'll be the same at any res |
| 19:07 | Chutt | anyway, no channels. |
| 19:08 | dopester | damn |
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| 19:08 | Chutt | 2005-03-22 19:04:07.466 DVB#0 DVB signal fa90 | snr dbaa | ber 3650 | unc f |
| 19:08 | Chutt | 2005-03-22 19:04:07.466 DVB#0 Status: LOCK. |
| 19:08 | Chutt | Setting currenTID = 5 |
| 19:08 | Chutt | 2005-03-22 19:04:12.486 DVB#0 DVB signal f890 | snr d712 | ber 1df0 | unc 10 |
| 19:08 | Chutt | 2005-03-22 19:04:12.486 DVB#0 Status: LOCK. |
| 19:08 | Chutt | Setting currenTID = 6 |
| 19:08 | Chutt | 2005-03-22 19:04:12.697 DVB#0 Signal Lost |
| 19:08 | Chutt | but, still timedout |
| 19:08 | dopester | suck |
| 19:09 | Chutt | 2005-03-22 19:05:51.627 DVB#0 Signal Locked |
| 19:09 | Chutt | 2005-03-22 19:05:52.138 DVB#0 DVB signal fa70 | snr d82c | ber 3f0 | unc d |
| 19:09 | Chutt | 2005-03-22 19:05:52.139 DVB#0 Status: LOCK. |
| 19:09 | Chutt | Setting currenTID = 11 |
| 19:09 | Chutt | 2005-03-22 19:05:57.262 DVB#0 DVB signal fff0 | snr 0 | ber 0 | unc 0 |
| 19:09 | Chutt | 2005-03-22 19:05:57.264 DVB#0 Signal Lost |
| 19:09 | Chutt | that's cbs |
| 19:09 | Chutt | 111 |
| 19:10 | dopester | i gotta run.. i'll be back later on.. if you got 15 id love to see if you can get something even if its not watchable |
| 19:10 | dopester | might be missing something else |
| 19:10 | Chutt | got 15? |
| 19:10 | dopester | 15 minutes |
| 19:10 | dopester | must be a southern phrase or something |
| 19:10 | Chutt | oh, i'll be around all night |
| 19:10 | Chutt | wife's outta town |
| 19:10 | Chutt | just planning on playing gt4 =) |
| 19:10 | dopester | get dvb-apps if you haven't already |
| 19:11 | kvandivo | when the wife's away... |
| 19:11 | Chutt | already have it |
| 19:12 | Chutt | dopester, well, one thing - i know my signal strength's a bit on the low side (8 way splitter -> 2 way splitter) |
| 19:12 | Chutt | with an amp |
| 19:12 | Chutt | but, the 6200 gets all the hd channels fine, with very occasional dropouts |
| 19:13 | Chutt | i wonder if there's anyway to test this card in qam mode in windows? |
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| 19:15 | thor_ | I have exactly the same issues ... never tried the card under windows |
| 19:18 | o_cee | this is very strange, added a DD lineup.. and now my tuners aren't associated to my old lineup anymore, and i can only assign the new DD one.. not the old.. looking at sql logs.. |
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| 19:20 | o_cee | it doesn't even try to insert, it just deleted the old one.. wtf |
| 19:29 | mikegrb | o_cee: spank it |
| 19:34 | o_cee | mikegrb, i am.. |
| 19:34 | mikegrb | good boy |
| 19:34 | | * mikegrb pets o_cee |
| 19:37 | Beirdo | gah, spanking it in public? |
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| 19:46 | o_cee | heh, funny. happens if videosource.sourceid = 0... |
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| 19:47 | o_cee | if i changed it to something else it works.. hm |
| 19:59 | GeckoFiend | bleh I think I just had a PVR250 fry out on me.. nothing but B&W since last night. |
| 19:59 | kvandivo | definitely time to replace it with a air2pc card |
| 20:00 | Anduin | or only record tv land |
| 20:00 | mikegrb | kvandivo: I think an air2pc card would be better |
| 20:00 | | * mikegrb runs |
| 20:02 | GeckoFiend | kvandivo heh I've got a 3k in it. I use the pvr250 for my directtv feed. |
| 20:03 | | * Beirdo sulks and waits for his air2pc cards |
| 20:04 | GeckoFiend | I've got 3 more in the shelf so it's not a huge deal |
| 20:05 | GeckoFiend | hmmm looks like it was either heat or a loose cable. |
| 20:06 | GeckoFiend | btw any you other dev types need a PVR250 to work with? Now that I rearraged my setup I don't need all the cards I'd been using before |
| 20:08 | GeckoFiend | course all this had to happen after I bragged about my uptime/no problems time |
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| 20:19 | Beirdo | yeah |
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| 20:20 | Beirdo | well, I bragged about the uptime on my colo box (705 days) and 2 minutes later the firewall failed badly |
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| 20:21 | o_cee | Beirdo, heh |
| 20:22 | Beirdo | and never recovered |
| 20:22 | Beirdo | :) |
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| 20:26 | Riddler-l | is anyone here familiar with the 0.17 mythweather plugin? |
| 20:30 | o_cee | Chutt, any problem with using a QDateTime directly with SQL statements? |
| 20:32 | o_cee | see converts from qdatetime to strings before passing them into sql, but it doesn't seem necesarry here.. |
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| 21:07 | nfsv4 | Beirdo, you should play soccer 90 minute only uptime |
| 21:19 | thor_ | o_cee, you do want to be a little careful |
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| 21:27 | o_cee | thor_, compatibility? or other reasons? |
| 21:28 | thor_ | if the MySQL column is a DATETIME it can fail to parse into a QDateTime |
| 21:29 | thor_ | they both use ISO standards, but different ones |
| 21:29 | thor_ | I don't recall all the finickity details at this point, but I remember it being a pain |
| 21:29 | thor_ | see http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mfd/mfd/plugins/mmusic/mmusic.cpp?rev=1.44&view=markup |
| 21:30 | thor_ | grep getQtTimeFromMySqlTime |
| 21:30 | o_cee | allright, but what about the other way around? using a QDateTime in SQL? |
| 21:30 | thor_ | what kind of column? |
| 21:31 | o_cee | datetime i think |
| 21:31 | o_cee | yeah |
| 21:32 | thor_ | I don't recall for sure, but you probably want need to do a QDateTime::toString() |
| 21:33 | thor_ | with the right formatting |
| 21:33 | thor_ | this is all a hazy memory, so I can't be more specific |
| 21:33 | o_cee | k. guess that might depend on mysql version as well |
| 21:33 | thor_ | possible |
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| 21:34 | o_cee | getQtTimeFromMySqlTime creates an ISO-date from a non-iso date string.. let's look at mysql |
| 21:35 | thor_ | something like: toString("yyyyMMddhhmmss") works when the column is TIMESTAMP(14) |
| 21:36 | thor_ | and where the column is DATETIME |
| 21:37 | o_cee | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/datetime.html |
| 21:37 | o_cee | looks like it swallows most stuff.. |
| 21:38 | o_cee | Qt's ISOdate just adds a T in between date and time, didn't seem to cause any problem here, but who knows |
| 21:38 | thor_ | heh |
| 21:38 | thor_ | like I said, I just remember it being a problem at some point |
| 21:39 | o_cee | allright |
| 21:41 | thor_ | it never ceased to me amaze me the number of people who can get Linux installed, myth setup and working, and then can't figure out how to plug in their audio cables |
| 21:41 | thor_ | err, ceases |
| 21:41 | thor_ | oh, and I miss stan |
| 21:42 | o_cee | heheh |
| 21:42 | o_cee | amazing :) |
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| 21:58 | HRearden | quick qmake question. I am trying to add a new library to mfd -- libupnp. It has its own Makefile that I need to run. I have structured the library as a subdirectory of my plugin directory. From the .pro file in my plugin directory, is there anyway to have qmake create a makefile which completely calls another makefile in a subdirectory? |
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| 21:59 | shadbash | Ok I have a question for everyone "Please advise the potential business size of this ? Thanks." is the email I just got back from Cyberlink/PowerDVD about releasing the linux verision with command line agruements |
| 21:59 | mikegrb | HRearden: tell me more about this upnp, if it does what I think it might I may be forced to kiss you |
| 21:59 | mikegrb | shadbash: none |
| 21:59 | shadbash | huh? |
| 22:00 | HRearden | I've just started to work on it. It's a new plugin to mfd to turn myth into a upnp av MediaServer. |
| 22:00 | shadbash | This is PowerDVD trying to access how big of a market MythTV is |
| 22:01 | mikegrb | HRearden: kisses |
| 22:01 | mikegrb | shadbash: none |
| 22:01 | shadbash | I need some numbers to email back so they can decide to release PowerDVD for linux or not |
| 22:01 | mikegrb | oh! numbers |
| 22:01 | mikegrb | 0 |
| 22:02 | shadbash | GeckoFiend: you here? |
| 22:03 | mikegrb | nobody is going to buy powerdvd for linux when they could just any of a billion free players |
| 22:03 | shadbash | it's just an option is you want to view dvds legaly in hte US |
| 22:03 | shadbash | the |
| 22:04 | mikegrb | I can use free software just fine |
| 22:04 | shadbash | you don't have to use it if you don't want to |
| 22:04 | mikegrb | nobody would use it |
| 22:04 | mikegrb | except you |
| 22:04 | mikegrb | linux is about free software |
| 22:05 | Omnic | mikegrb: well, not entirely, but to folks like RMS it is. |
| 22:05 | shadbash | mikegrb: I haven't worked with you before but I've been emailing powerdvd for the last 3 weeks + working without 3-4 other myth people on this |
| 22:05 | Chutt | the market size is effectively 0. |
| 22:05 | shadbash | with 3-4 |
| 22:05 | mikegrb | I just know lots of myth people have said your a moron and from what I've seen, I agree |
| 22:06 | Chutt | you've been told that before |
| 22:06 | mikegrb | Chutt: thanks, I was beginning to think I was the crazy one. |
| 22:06 | shadbash | IC |
| 22:06 | mikegrb | IC? |
| 22:07 | o_cee | integrated circuit. |
| 22:07 | mikegrb | oh, thanks mr O.C. |
| 22:07 | mikegrb | I keep meaning to watch your show! |
| 22:07 | o_cee | no problem mike |
| 22:07 | o_cee | yeah please do |
| 22:07 | mikegrb | :D |
| 22:07 | Omnic | o/~ Califonia! o/~ |
| 22:07 | thor_ | HRearden, write a pro that essentially will create the Makefile and add it to SUBDIRS |
| 22:08 | o_cee | Chutt, any insight on the QDateTime vs MySQL thingie? is it safe to use a qdatetime in a sql query without doing .toString first? |
| 22:08 | Chutt | no |
| 22:08 | Chutt | read what thor told you :p |
| 22:08 | o_cee | yeah, but it works here ;) |
| 22:08 | o_cee | different versions? |
| 22:08 | Chutt | right. |
| 22:08 | o_cee | m'kay |
| 22:09 | HRearden | That was my first idea, but it's a fairly complex makefile. Not as simple as the mDNS stuff. Many subdirectories, dependencies, etc. |
| 22:10 | Chutt | hrearden, simplify it |
| 22:10 | Chutt | it looked to me like there were a lot of directories with only a couple files in each |
| 22:10 | Chutt | no real need for that =) |
| 22:11 | HRearden | true. I didn't know if because it was taken from another source if I needed to keep any of the original structure intact or what. |
| 22:11 | Chutt | eh, generally you'd want to |
| 22:11 | Chutt | but it didn't look like they update it very often |
| 22:11 | HRearden | that's for sure. I think it's from 2003. |
| 22:12 | HRearden | OK. Simplify it is. Thanks. |
| 22:12 | thor_ | what I did with the apple sub dir of zeroconfig was keep apple's structure but not have it make at all |
| 22:12 | thor_ | build at the higher level, using only the pieces I needed |
| 22:13 | Chutt | that works, too |
| 22:13 | Chutt | just do whatever's easiest for you |
| 22:13 | HRearden | OK. |
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| 22:17 | dopester | chutt: got a few minutes? |
| 22:18 | Chutt | yeah |
| 22:18 | dopester | do you have dvbsnoop? |
| 22:18 | Chutt | which dir's it in? |
| 22:19 | dopester | seperate app i forgot to tell you to get |
| 22:19 | Chutt | where do i get it? |
| 22:19 | dopester | http://dvbsnoop.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:19 | dopester | might be a debian package for it |
| 22:20 | thor_ | nope |
| 22:20 | Chutt | last release good enough? |
| 22:20 | dopester | yeah |
| 22:21 | dopester | i doesn't need any special mods for atsc since im not looking for atsc specific stuff |
| 22:21 | Chutt | ok, it's building. |
| 22:22 | Chutt | all done |
| 22:22 | Chutt | brb. |
| 22:22 | dopester | k |
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| 22:27 | Chutt | ok |
| 22:28 | Chutt | how do i run this thing? |
| 22:28 | dopester | you said you knew where your cbs channel was frequency wise right? |
| 22:28 | Chutt | 111 |
| 22:29 | dopester | azap to it on one window, and in another run "dvbsnoop 0" |
| 22:29 | Chutt | ok |
| 22:30 | Chutt | dvbsnoop printed out its version information |
| 22:30 | dopester | nothing else? |
| 22:30 | Chutt | and it's just sitting there now. |
| 22:30 | Chutt | right |
| 22:30 | dopester | damn.. is 111 the right frequency in channels.conf? i had a screwed up version on my site for a while |
| 22:30 | Chutt | yeah |
| 22:30 | Chutt | it's right |
| 22:30 | Chutt | it's locking :p |
| 22:31 | Chutt | status 1f | signal f980 | snr d7a0 | ber 00007ff8 | unc 0000000d | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| 22:31 | dopester | well i can get a lock on most everything from 80-125 |
| 22:31 | Chutt | oh, i can't |
| 22:31 | Chutt | but, the freq's right. |
| 22:31 | dopester | most of them i get nothing on, so i was kinda figuring it was a cablemodem downlink and didn't follow mpegts |
| 22:32 | dopester | ok well thats no damn good.. |
| 22:32 | Chutt | cable box's info screen matches the frequence |
| 22:32 | dopester | you know any other channels? |
| 22:32 | Chutt | err, frequency |
| 22:32 | Chutt | and says that it's in the clear |
| 22:32 | dopester | ok well thats good enough for me :) |
| 22:32 | dopester | can you try any other clear channels on a different frequency? |
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| 22:33 | Chutt | i dunno what they are |
| 22:33 | dopester | i could get all but 2 channels to work cleanly but the other 2 i couldn't get anything worth watching |
| 22:33 | dopester | i guess the ber is too high to get anything to slip through |
| 22:34 | dopester | i'll hook my cable back up to my air2pc in a day or two and see what my levels are like |
| 22:34 | Chutt | i got lock on 81, nothing on dvbsnoop |
| 22:34 | Chutt | what's ber? |
| 22:34 | dopester | bit error rate |
| 22:34 | dopester | im really not sure of the units though since i didn't get the specs on teh nxt2002 |
| 22:34 | Chutt | on _anything_ it gets lock on, it's always 7ff8 |
| 22:34 | dopester | just a windows driver to port |
| 22:35 | Chutt | doesn't change |
| 22:35 | dopester | yeah it may be maxed out |
| 22:35 | thor_ | I had same issue, solid level |
| 22:35 | Chutt | does qam work in windows? |
| 22:35 | dopester | i think its a 16 bit register i read from the nxt2002 |
| 22:35 | dopester | nope |
| 22:35 | dopester | its a hardware issue |
| 22:35 | dopester | the demodulator IS qam capable |
| 22:35 | thor_ | but different on each tunable channel |
| 22:35 | dopester | there is something rf level wise in the nim |
| 22:35 | dopester | nim = rf housing |
| 22:35 | Chutt | why's it work for some people, but not others? |
| 22:36 | thor_ | karma |
| 22:36 | dopester | rf is like voodoo |
| 22:36 | thor_ | chutt and I are both coming back as prions |
| 22:36 | dopester | the design probbabyl augments the waveforms in a way that screws up qam just enough to not work well |
| 22:36 | Chutt | would moving it around in the case help? |
| 22:36 | dopester | naw |
| 22:37 | dopester | if i had a good oscope i could probbably tell you what is wrong |
| 22:37 | kvandivo | can't just hold your fingers on it and get the vibe, huh? |
| 22:37 | dopester | hehe |
| 22:37 | dopester | take some rf design classes |
| 22:37 | dopester | its crazy shit |
| 22:38 | dopester | beirdo would know |
| 22:38 | Beirdo | hmm? |
| 22:38 | dopester | rf circuitboard design is tricky stuff |
| 22:38 | Beirdo | ahh, the black magic |
| 22:39 | thor_ | it's all about farady cages |
| 22:39 | dopester | i think the nim was designed for 8vsb only |
| 22:39 | Beirdo | and transmission lines becoming antennas without meaning to, etc |
| 22:39 | cmorgan | is this a released product? |
| 22:39 | dopester | but the code i based the nxt2002 driver on had qam in it |
| 22:39 | cmorgan | and it works sometimes but not others? |
| 22:40 | dopester | its not sometimes |
| 22:40 | dopester | it either works or it doesn't |
| 22:40 | cmorgan | uses an external antenna? |
| 22:40 | dopester | 8vsb is perfect |
| 22:41 | dopester | its just qam |
| 22:41 | thor_ | have we managed to figure out obvious differences (provider, QAM64-QAM256, chip revisions on the board) etc? |
| 22:41 | HRearden | i still have the weird issue where a Samsung QAM tuner gets in 2 channels (PBS and CBS) great. The pcHDTV gets in different stations that the Samsung didnt. Tried QAM64 and WAM256. |
| 22:41 | dopester | there is 1 version |
| 22:41 | dopester | the holdup on teh new one is a replacement tuner/demodulator |
| 22:42 | dopester | design spec on the new one is clear qam and 8vsb so it will do it |
| 22:42 | thor_ | well, as I said before, hopefully before July 1 |
| 22:42 | dopester | i can't say anymore though |
| 22:42 | thor_ | yup |
| 22:42 | Chutt | it can do qam after july 1st |
| 22:43 | dopester | yeah but whos going to risk selling it if the law sticks |
| 22:43 | HRearden | when you say "the new one" is that the new Air2PC when they are back in stock? |
| 22:43 | Chutt | broadcast flag only affects, uh, broadcast. |
| 22:43 | Chutt | =) |
| 22:43 | dopester | getting one bs court case thrown out would cost more than anything you could make off the cards |
| 22:43 | thor_ | right, but must not be easy alterable by the user |
| 22:44 | Chutt | i don't care if they disable ota reception |
| 22:44 | dopester | i dunno what they are going to do honestly |
| 22:44 | Chutt | right |
| 22:44 | Chutt | anyway |
| 22:44 | dopester | they will still make them cause homeland security uses them |
| 22:44 | thor_ | heh |
| 22:44 | dopester | but i dont think anyone will sell them |
| 22:44 | dopester | the ebs deployment over pbs atsc |
| 22:45 | dopester | might be all atsc stations but i know the pbs station here is doing it |
| 22:45 | thor_ | ah, that ebs definitely needs a catchier jingle |
| 22:45 | dopester | what a feature add for myth now.. osd popups of amber alerts on your tv |
| 22:46 | kvandivo | mandatory.. no way to turn them off |
| 22:46 | thor_ | ever |
| 22:46 | HRearden | what new card? |
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| 22:47 | dopester | the new air2pc if bbti ever makes em |
| 22:47 | HRearden | I've got an order on backorder supposedly due in April. Would that be the new one? |
| 22:47 | dopester | yeah |
| 22:48 | dopester | there are no more nxt2002 based ones left anywhere |
| 22:49 | HRearden | Hmm. Just debating whether to order another pcHDTV. I thought the air2pc was supposed to deal better with weaker signals. I got a new antenna to install so maybe the pcHDTV will be OK after that. Anyone verify if there is a real difference in dealing with weaker signals? |
| 22:50 | dopester | if your willing to wait there will be no comparison between the pchdtv and the new air2pc |
| 22:50 | thor_ | air2pc clearly better than a HD-2000 here with OTA |
| 22:50 | dopester | well the new one will be much better than the one i wrote drivers for |
| 22:50 | dopester | wish i could say more, but im not really at liberty to |
| 22:51 | thor_ | heh |
| 22:51 | dopester | hopefully they will finailze their decision in a few more days and make an announcement |
| 22:52 | HRearden | I'm willing to wait, just worried about July 1... New antennas (1 UHF, 1VHF) + preamp I think should do it. chutt, how far are you from NBC? That's one I can't get OTA. |
| 22:52 | HRearden | (Also in cleveland area) |
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| 23:01 | o_cee | Chutt, did you see my talk earlier about a source with sourceid=0 not being able to be assigned? dunno how new sources are numbered, so it might not be an issue for normall users |
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| 23:14 | Chutt | hrearden, nbc's on channel 2 - it's unlikely you'll be able to get it. |
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| 23:16 | dopester | that one of the worse channels for interference from almost anything.. geez.. why would they put a digital station on it |
| 23:17 | HRearden | Ordered an antenna from antennasdirect.com that they claim "has worked in your area". We'll see, I suppose. I'm about 18 miles south. We've got both 2 and 10. 10 I get OK, though. |
| 23:18 | dopester | 18 miles you should get enough rf if the towers a normal 1000ft tower or greater.. |
| 23:18 | dopester | multipath would be your real enemy |
| 23:19 | thor_ | all right, I am rtsp streaming a constant tone |
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| 23:20 | HRearden | in an attic, though. Vinly siding. No foil-backed installation. |
| 23:21 | dopester | im about 20 miles from the stations here and i can get em all in analog with tons of ghosts in my house with a uhf loop |
| 23:21 | dopester | ditital on the same towers but i can't get crap on anythign i have with the same loop |
| 23:21 | dopester | well i got a blip of univision once |
| 23:23 | HRearden | I get about 60-75% now with a lousy badly aimed antenna from prior owner. I get a few "Transport Stream continuity errors" in every show, but usually usable. |
| 23:23 | dopester | thats not bad at all then |
| 23:24 | dopester | what card you usign? |
| 23:24 | HRearden | pcHDTV3000. |
| 23:28 | dopester | using the dvb code or the pchdtv provided drivers? |
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| 23:29 | HRearden | dvb. |
| 23:30 | dopester | good man :) |
| 23:30 | HRearden | works quite well. Should I switch to TS? |
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| 23:32 | Chutt | aren't the pchdtv people now recommending the dvb drivers? |
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| 23:32 | dopester | yeah ts is where i want to take it |
| 23:33 | HRearden | yes they are, sort of. They have indicated that it is the future. |
| 23:33 | dopester | i think dtk might be the only holdout |
| 23:33 | dopester | :) |
| 23:33 | dopester | i recomended it to him about a year ago |
| 23:33 | HRearden | dopester, I'll switch it. Any real advantage? |
| 23:34 | dopester | right now not really |
| 23:34 | dopester | but i want to deprecate ps mode |
| 23:34 | HRearden | no downside, though, I take it. |
| 23:34 | dopester | so having educated users in ts mode will help |
| 23:34 | dopester | i fixed the worst of the ts crap yesterday |
| 23:34 | dopester | ps would loose audio cause th transform gets lost |
| 23:34 | dopester | ts always write the data |
| 23:35 | dopester | the frontend might screw up playing it right now, but its at least in the file |
| 23:35 | HRearden | ahh. actually I believe I saw that earlier this week. |
| 23:35 | HRearden | Guess I should cvs update before switching, then -- your latest ts changes are in? |
| 23:35 | dopester | chutt: do you consider users using pvr350s to playback dvb videos an edge condition i can just not worry about? |
| 23:36 | dopester | was my first commit :) |
| 23:38 | Chutt | edge condition |
| 23:38 | dopester | so get ts mode where i want it and gut ps is ok? |
| 23:40 | dopester | does ffmpeg have ts->ps conversion in it? |
| 23:45 | Chutt | i dunno |
| 23:45 | Chutt | i thought the 350 could handle ts? |
| 23:45 | dopester | last time i tried sending one to it it wouldn't.. |
| 23:46 | dopester | one solution to ripping out ps recording is to do the conversion in software in ivtvdecoder from ts->ps before feeding it to the card |
| 23:46 | Chutt | sure |
| 23:46 | dopester | or make the backend do the conversion sending it to the frontend for stuff like the media mvps |
| 23:46 | dopester | i dont care anymore my 350 is in a box |
| 23:47 | dopester | jsut a thought |
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| 23:59 | Chutt | you handling doug's patches? |
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