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07:46<gbee>anyone else having problems remaining connection to the freenode network?
07:47<gardengnome>i've been connected to for almost three days now.
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07:49<stuarta>gbee, said you got kicked for flooding
07:52<stuarta>[13:36] Signoff gbee: #mythtv (Excess Flood)
07:52<stuarta>got 2 of those
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07:59<Dksaarth_>can anybody here try help me fix a mythbackend segfault on freebsd ? I compiled with debug support
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07:59<Dksaarth_>seems to be a problem either in libpthread or libqt-mt
08:00<stuarta>Dksaarth_: can you pastebin the gdb output
08:00<stuarta>from the bit where it goes
08:01<stuarta>"program.... exit ..... SIGSEGV
08:02<stuarta>gbee: your provider may also disconnect you if you are idle for too long
08:03<gbee>that last time was my laptop freezing btw - otherwise I've not sent anything so no idea how I could have been kick for flooding
08:03<Dksaarth_>having a look, where should that be seen? must i be looking at the corefile with gdb or running the prog with gdb
08:03<stuarta>since it's repeatable run the backend under gdb
08:05<stuarta>hrm. looks like the differences in pthreads may be giving you grief
08:06<gbee>not the case here ... even if it were, it only started late yesterday and I'm getting disconnected after just a few minutes in some cases, a couple of hours in others
08:06<Dksaarth_>anyideas on where to go from here stuarta?
08:07<stuarta>Dksaarth_: might be worth a try to force it detect as OSX since that is basically NetBSD
08:07<Dksaarth_>okay didn't think about that
08:07<Dksaarth_>ill recompile for osx, hopefully that might help things a tad ;]
08:07<stuarta>what's the DVB API like on FreeBSD???
08:08<Tuomaz>stuarta: are you/are you not ( i guess not?)
08:08<stuarta>no, i'm :)
08:08[~]stuarta points to gbee
08:09<Tuomaz>gbee = stuartm@svn?
08:09<gbee>damn, my cover is blown
08:10<Tuomaz>gbee: after your changeset 12557, I cannot start mythfrontend 'Could not find theme G.A.N.T'.
08:10<gbee>what theme were you using?
08:11<Tuomaz>Don't think I was using any theme?... new machine...
08:11[~]Tuomaz looking in database to see if there is a theme sat for that hostname
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08:12<Tuomaz>Database says Theme = G.A.N.T
08:12<gbee>it's in the settings table
08:12<gbee>not sure why it can't find G.A.N.T. that's a core theme
08:13<Tuomaz>I'm using a prefix when I install, myabe thats causing a problem?
08:13<Tuomaz>eg: ./configure .... --prefix=/home/...
08:13<Tuomaz>But it used to work before.
08:13<gbee>shouldn't be - we use should be looking in the prefixed dir
08:14<gbee>really not sure how 12557 broke anything, I didn't really change the behaviour of the normal theme discovery, just the menu theme
08:15<janneg>Tuomaz: is there a dot after the 'T'?
08:15<Tuomaz>janneg: eys
08:15<gbee>ok, give me a minute I'll look at my changes again
08:15<Tuomaz>janneg: yes
08:16<janneg>Tuomaz: you wrote it two times without a dot
08:16<Tuomaz>janneg: sorry
08:17<gbee>the error definately has a dot?
08:17<Tuomaz>I will try more during the weekend.
08:17<janneg>'G.A.N.T.' works fine here
08:18<Tuomaz>Ok, maybe there is something with my setup then...
08:18<gbee>mind make a small change in the code?
08:19<Tuomaz>I can try if you have something...
08:20<Dksaarth_>sorry stuarta, stupid question, whats the configure flag for compiling for osx ?
08:20<gbee>line 1717 of libs/libmyth/mythcontext.cpp
08:20<stuarta>Dksaarth_: you will have to hack the configure script
08:20<gbee>change .arg(themename) to .arg(testdir)
08:21<gbee>that should tell us where it's looking for the theme
08:22<gbee>oh and see if changing the theme in the database to "blue" helps (no quotes)
08:24<Dksaarth_>can you be a bit more specific stuarta ?
08:24<Dksaarth_>thought says that the backend wont run on osx, only the frontend
08:25<stuarta>Dksaarth_: the configure script does some checks which will result in it setting flag indicating that it's on OSX
08:25<stuarta>umm, that's true for the released versions.
08:25<stuarta>progress is being made in head
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08:29<Dksaarth_>shot for the help stuarta, im going to go play for a while, see what i can figure out
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08:35<stuarta>afternoon ivor_
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08:47<Tuomaz>gbee: I will have to try that tomorrow (at work right now)
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09:19<ivor>stuarta: damn I'm useless.
09:20<gbee>hi ivor
09:21<ivor>everyone happy?
09:21<GreyFoxx>heh Well, I've been asked to ponder an in building (20 or more condos) myth type video system
09:21<gbee>just reminded me I had a kde patch I meant to submit .... a couple of months ago
09:22<ivor>ooh toys to evaluate.
09:22<ivor>gbee: yeah. what for?
09:22<GreyFoxx>We already provide them Internet, Phone and the building has a Sat feed
09:22<GreyFoxx>ivor: Yeah
09:23<gbee>nothing special, one line thing to kprint
09:24<ivor>oh. nothing exciting then. :P
09:24<gbee>no :)
09:24<GreyFoxx>Setting up the backend is one thing, It's really what to put in the customer premise for accessing it. Do I give them frontends , or some sort of other stb player
09:24<jams>GreyFoxx- hopefully it goes better then the school project
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09:25<gbee>just added support for an envelope size as reported by my drivers (or cups can't remember now)
09:25<GreyFoxx>jams: That's on "hold" . Someone in the schoolboard is still trying to get it done by his friend who costs more :)
09:25<gbee>so, pretty dull really ;)
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09:25<GreyFoxx>jams: bascially "let my brother in law do it" hehe
09:25<jams>i see
09:25<GreyFoxx>but in the end it's their money and frustration :)
09:26<ivor>fairly standard behaviour.
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09:32<gbee>GreyFoxx: how would you setup the backend? shared schedules, recordings etc??
09:37<GreyFoxx>gbee: Still contemplating it. They haven't told me yet what the video source would be, and I still need to decide on the users interface
09:38<GreyFoxx>It's one thing to have multiple mythfrontends within a family/house, but another to have it among many "houses"
09:38<GreyFoxx>Gotta make sure none of them can break it
09:38<GreyFoxx>or turn off scheduling that someone else has setup
09:39<gbee>sure, well if it happens keep us informed ;) Given that myth doesn't yet have any user account system I'd be interested in the implementation
09:39<GreyFoxx>Likely they will setup at least 1 capture device per apartment
09:40<GreyFoxx>I'm always wondering about the frontend hardware itself. Not many people are going to watch a PC in the living room
09:40<gbee>If (when?) the SoC user account stuff goes in I can see it making such setups easier and more common
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09:41<GreyFoxx>One option I apparently have is something a coworker is going to setup in his house. a "big" frontend with multiple X sessions/cards plugged into rf modulators feeding a new channel to each house
09:41<GreyFoxx>they tune to channel XX to get the myth interface
09:42<GreyFoxx>and come up with a system to feed the IR/whatever controls back to the appropriate frontend
09:42<GreyFoxx>The Multiple X/frontend sessions are system, just not sure on the method to get the IR controls back and going to the right frontend only
09:43<GreyFoxx>are simple I meant
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09:43<gbee>with all these set-top box format PC cases and systems being produced these days it really doesn't have to look like a typical PC- most people will put up with a fanless/diskless unit
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09:43<GreyFoxx>I had to think about that anway since my coworker wants to do that for 4 frontends in his house. 1 machine/2 machines feeding his TV's and I need a way to send the controls back
09:44<gbee>if you get the right design it could even be wall mounted next to where the RF would normally be
09:44<GreyFoxx>and all apartments are supposedly wired
09:44<GreyFoxx>I've seen some nice wall units with IR in and video out
09:45<GreyFoxx>just not sure how I would manage the signal on the other end
09:46<GreyFoxx>I just need to figure out the other end heh
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11:14<GreyFoxx>gbee: Stop the and restart the frontend after installing the plugins
11:14<GreyFoxx>ignore that :)
11:14<gbee>ignore what?
11:14<GreyFoxx>precisely :)
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11:15<Frogger>Good day folks.
11:16<Frogger>Has anyone been able to get onto today? I'm trying to install MythTV on a new Fedora Core 6 system and doesn't resolve.
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11:26<gbee>resolves to here
11:31<Tuomaz>gbee: I'm unable to reproduce my error I mentioned earlier here at work, will try again at home tomorrow. If I don't say something more about just forget it :-)
11:31<gbee>ok :)
11:32<Tuomaz>I start mythfronend with -O MasterServerIP=
11:32<Tuomaz>(i'm tunneling myth traffic)
11:32<Tuomaz>Watching recordings work, but livetv try to connect to my masterserver ( not accessible from here.
11:33<Tuomaz>maybe more apropiate in -users (?)
11:34<Frogger>Thanks gbee
11:37<Frogger>gbee: I put that address in /etc/hosts. Yum seems to be working now. :-) Thanks muchly.
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12:09<gbee>eskil: just looking over the albumart patch, did you mean to leave in that doxygen comment block above MetaIOID3v2::getAlbumArt ?
12:10<gbee>I've not looked at the patch in the context of the actual code - just doesn't seem that comment applies at all :)
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12:11<change008>does any one know of a X10 channel?
12:12<change008>or can u guys mayb advise me?
12:13<change008>i want mythtv to run on a webserver,but i want this webinterface to be displayed on a touchscreen lcd in say the kitchen<how will i do that?
12:15<gardengnome>the very first step to accomplish this is to /join #mythtv-users ;)
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12:18<Tuomaz>Seem like you can't tunnel livetv with MythTV right now. ibs/libmythtv/remoteutil.cpp:220 receives the ip-adress from the backend.
12:19<Tuomaz>And then it uses the same IP in GetPlaybackURL
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12:37<eskil>gbee, I meant to change it to fit the function, guess I only did the \brief line.
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12:38<gbee>not a huge problem, just thought I'd mention it
12:39<eskil>gbee, thanks. Should I fix it and attach a new patch ?
12:40<gbee>wouldn't bother, I'll sort it :)
12:42<eskil>gbee, rock on.
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12:46<eskil>gbee, any chance of getting you to also look over ticket#2557 ?
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12:48<gbee>I'll have a look, sure
12:49<eskil>gbee, thanks!
12:50<gbee>actually, quite interested in that one - does the patch solve the thread leaking?
12:51<gbee>I've been meaning to fix that problem for a while but never found time to look into it
12:52<eskil>gbee, oh, I reneg on the threadleaking. I think it's just gdb that preserves thread info for an uncanny long time. On a non-nptl system there wasn't any extra processes hanging around.
12:52<gbee>nevermind - looking at the patch
12:52<eskil>gbee, but it seemed to solve a lot of sporadic crashes in mythmusic.
12:54<gbee>you may be right about the thread problem, I never saw any associated resource leaks, just the huge number of threads in gdb
12:57<gbee>I've only just started looking at mythmusic - there are a few id3 issues I wanted to fix
12:57<eskil>gbee, I kinda got the impressesion that gdb just keeps the thread info around a bit for debugging purposes.
12:58<eskil>gbee, like saving id3 tags not working ? :-)
12:58<gbee>yep - actually even manages to wipe them :)
12:59<eskil>gbee, oh, that's even worse than what I saw. I saw it save the tags, even with the changes, but id3info would still show the old value... highly cryptic.
13:01<gbee>and I'd like to use the POPM to store the ratings - hate rating an entire library of music in mythmusic only to lose that info
13:03<gbee>eskil: tbh I'm not exactly sure that what it's doing - not spent enough time on it, but noticed there was a problem when I started copying files over to my new mp3 player only to find ID3(v2) tags were missing
13:03<gbee>POPM frame
13:04[~]eskil looks up popm...
13:04<eskil>ah neat
13:04<eskil>gbee, yeah, might as well store that in the tune.
13:05<eskil>gbee, I've been looking at the saving issue but couldn't figure it out. There wasn't any errors during the save, all the crazy libid3tag calls where done and all that, it just looks like the resulting tags have short length fields or such.
13:08<gbee>I'll see if I have time to experiment over the weekend
13:11<gbee>occassionally with problems like this I like to start fresh, try writing a simple test app, building on it until I either find the problem or have it fully working - then fix the problem or replace it with the new stuff
13:11<eskil>gbee, i'm using libid3tag 0.15.1b-8, my next step was going to be cutting the id3 code from mythtv into a small cli program.
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13:16<gbee>let me know if you have any success, I may not get very far, I've got some other tickets to sort and my free time may be limited in the next few weeks
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13:18<gbee>gbee: let me know if you have any success, I may not get very far, I've got some other tickets to sort and my free time may be limited in the next few weeks
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13:19<eskil>gbee, don't talk to yourself, it's a bad sign.
13:19<eskil>gbee, yeah, if I find out anything I'll probably file a ticket with a patch.
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13:26<bkero>Hello channel. :) Who can I get in contact with regarding swapping the downed drive in the MythTV server at osuosl?
13:26<GreyFoxx>Most likely Snow-Man
13:34<bkero>Has he been around recently?
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13:35<janneg>gbee, eskil: I think the threadleaking is an error in gdb-6.4. I've seen it too with thousends of signalmonitor threads. but the number of threads in /proc exceeded never 50
13:37<gbee>janneg: thanks, good to know - I hadn't thought to compare against the status in proc
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13:40<gbee>bkero: he joined the channel about 5 hours ago, but has idled since
13:41<gbee>xris: bkero is from osuosl
13:41<gbee>bkero: xris might be able to help you
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13:43<eskil>gbee, janneg, I've never seen any thread leaking, but then again, I pretty much only use mythmusic and mythvideo.
13:43<bkero>cool :)
13:44<janneg>yeah, it's no real thread leaking. just gdb reporting all finished jobs
13:45<janneg>err, s/job/threads/
13:45<eskil>janneg, yeah, that's what I figured (too late...), just couldn't tell if it was intentional, a setting or just a bug.
13:45<gbee>makes sense, as I said before there was no resource leaks to go with what gdb was showing
13:45<xris>gbee: ??
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13:46<janneg>xris: failed drive swapping
13:46<gbee>xris: bkero is here asking about the dead drive - thought you might be able to help
13:46<gbee>Snow-Man isn't around
13:47<xris>bkero: what's up?
13:48<xris>trouble identifying the drive, or just wondering if it's ok to hotswap?
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13:58<xris>bkero: ?
14:06<gbee> ...
14:08<Snow-Man>I'm around, more or less
14:18<gbee>gathering mythmusic tickets at an alarming rate here .... could end up painting myself into a corner as the goto dev for mythmusic
14:20<eskil>gbee, I've got your back...
14:21<eskil>gbee, btw, ticket#2939 is also fixed by my albumart patch.
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14:21<gbee>eskil: thanks
14:22<gbee>I'll leve the ticket open, till I apply your patch
14:24<eskil>gbee, actually, his patch is slightly different. I wasn't sure what the intent of albumart is, but his patch only rereads when the directory changes, mine rereads when the file changes. That way if there's multiple images in the directory, it
14:24<eskil>'ll pick a random one for each track.
14:25<eskil>doubt people will notice one way or the other, unless they have multiple pics in the directory...
14:25<gbee>hmm, seems to me that your approach makes more sense if mulitple images exist - though if there is only one image we should bother to update
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14:26<eskil>gbee, I wouldn't bother with preventing that. The update is cheap, unoticable and only when the track changes.
14:27<gbee>I'll figure it out when I've had a proper look
14:28<gbee>I don't even use album art, so I'll have to fake some stuff to test :)
14:29<eskil>gbee, yeah, that's also how I ended up with random pictures of Portland as album art...
14:33[~]xris wonders why so many people contact him directly about custom mythtv development
14:34<GreyFoxx>heh yer famous!
14:34<xris>good google placement, apparently
14:42<xris>why can't recruiters act like they are there to sell YOU the job, rather than expecting you to beg THEM for work?
14:43<xris>I know google's the "in" company right now, but when I tell the recruiter I can't talk during the middle of the day, it should be expected that he not try to schedule talk time at 1pm.
14:47<gbee>google have some pretty unusual hiring practices, or so I've heard
14:47<xris>it's sort of f'd up
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15:33<gbee>xris: is #1317 still relevant?
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15:35<xris>haven't had enough time to check in IE
15:38<gbee>will check over the weekend if I remember
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15:45<xris>I just need to have my wife look at it next time she's using her windows box (usually on her ibook)
15:47<gbee>probably be before I can lay my hands on a windows machine :)
15:49<gbee>Chutt: u there?
15:50<gbee>any thoughts on #2897?
15:50<xris>gbee: I vote for killing the theme. :)
15:51<gbee>not a difficult fix, although it involves a bit more than the ticket creator suggests
15:51<gbee>xris: hehe
15:52<xris>I still want to see themes self-selecting wide vs not
15:52<xris>then I wouldn't have to change themes when I change screens
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15:54<janneg>I vote for killing windows ;)
15:54<gbee>that's a job for another time :)
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16:02<gbee>who knows anything about mythmovies/mythmovietime? ref #2475 - ok to apply?
16:02<xris>mythmovietime is dead
16:04<xris>but that patch does explain that
16:04<xris>wtf is mythmovies?
16:05<jams>hmm that was discussed in this channel awhile ago
16:05<xris>ahh, third party plugin
16:05<xris>does the same thing
16:05<xris>should check with Chutt about that, I guess.
16:06<gbee>was mythmovietime ever official? I don't remember seeing it in svn
16:06<jams>it's there
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16:07<jams>not part of plugins though
16:07<xris>gbee: it was part of LxM
16:07<gbee>found it
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16:09[~]gbee moves on
16:09<gbee>determined that while I've got the free time I'll close as many tickets as I can
16:12<gbee>guess #2482 and #2475 are related
16:12<xris>gbee: do you have xmltvid fields for the stations in the uk tv grabber?
16:12<xris>icon list, that is
16:13<gbee>sorry xris, I'm a bit tired - could you rephrase?
16:14<xris>gbee: you worked with juski to make the uk channel icon grabber in contrib, no?
16:14<gbee>no, well we discussed it a little but aside from that
16:14<xris>ah. nevermind, then
16:15<gbee>however juski's grabber is made redundant by the new xmltv grabber which includes icon support
16:16<gbee>juski's grabber used channel names iirc - which works for EIT only channels
16:17<gbee>the xmltv grabber would only work if you manually input the xmltvids
16:17<xris>there's a new xmltv grabber?
16:18<gbee>for the UK, yes
16:18<gbee>thinking about it, it'll never really work for EIT only channels so it's still needed
16:19<gbee>if you're looking for a list of xmltvids and corresponding icons I can send you a copy
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16:20<xris>or channel names vs what's in juski's file
16:20<xris>I'm building a list of callsigns/xmltvids to channel icons
16:20<xris>since I'm hoping we can move that lookup to
16:21<gbee>ok, I'll generate a list - any particular format? comma seperated?
16:21<xris>that's fine
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16:58<gbee>xris: didn't need to do much, all the info needed is provided, ready to use, in the xmltv channel_ids file
16:59<xris>ah, cool
17:00<gbee>the second field is the radiotimes internal id, you can ignore it
17:01<gbee>third is the channel name
17:01<xris>blech. someone touched the master iconmap
17:01<gbee>it's good enough to get started
17:02<xris>xmitv ids are that low?
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17:04<gbee>the xmltvid is the leftmost field
17:04<janneg>xris: they are strings
17:04<xris>odd. I thought they were all ints
17:04<gbee>they aren't numeric IDs
17:04<xris>mine all are
17:05<gbee>the datadirect ones aren't proper xmltvids
17:05<janneg>xris: that's datadirect
17:05<xris>oh. so it's a ddid put in the xmltvid field?
17:05<xris>I always wondered why dd chose to include the xmltv id.
17:06<gbee>the xmltv spec requires proper xmltvids to comform to RFC2838
17:06<gbee>yeah, the field got reused
17:06<xris>lovely. means I need to add another field to my database, then, I guess.
17:08<gbee>RFC2838 basically states that unique channel identifiers are constructed in the form of a URI
17:09<gbee>although there is no central, authoritative database of them - the ones used by the xmltv grabbers are mostly invented or derived from the channel websites/domains
17:11<gbee>that would be the synopsis of my 5000 word essay on the subject of xmltvids :p
17:14<xris>makes sense
17:16<xris>ok, checked in my massive iconmap changes. heh
17:17<xris>no more zap2it icons. :)
17:18<xris>ah, good. I made xmltvid a text field in the db.
17:18<xris>sqlite is so nice.
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17:26<xris>really wish I could find a list somewhere of all xmltvids
17:26<gbee>this new database, will it allow for users to make changes?
17:27<GreyFoxx>xris: You might end up being the database :)
17:27<xris>still trying to think of a way for that to happen
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17:27<xris>GreyFoxx: yeah, I fear that.
17:27<gbee>xris: best you can probably do is to grab the latest version of xmltv - extract them from the different grabbers
17:28<xris>yeah, I'll have to dig through there.
17:28<gbee>if users, or at least a large vetted group of them can make changes it would make things easier
17:28<xris>believe me, I know
17:29<xris>might build an editor and just fence it off with some htauth
17:29<GreyFoxx>store the stuff in an sql db editable from a php script ?
17:29<xris>GreyFoxx: yeah, that's sort of the goal
17:29<GreyFoxx>That's what I did with the game rom stuff, I just don't expose the editor to anyone but me :)
17:29<xris>I'll check it into svn (replacing the current one in master_iconmap/lyngsat/) when I get as much as I can imported.
17:29<gbee>with a little bit of an audit trail, which could double as an update/news page
17:30<xris>gbee: will probably allow for a user submission form or something, and then devs to ok/deny them
17:31<xris>just not sure how much work I want to put into it at the moment
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18:00<gbee>up late stuarta
18:03<stuarta>yeah, sadly in windows at the moment :(
18:03<stuarta>haven't even started on the tickets i was going to work on
18:04<stuarta>have however, installed 320Gb of disk space, and made CDs of all my photos from Xmas & NYE down under
18:05<gbee>more than I've acheived
18:06<stuarta>now backing up photos to mp3 player.
18:06<stuarta>it's tomorrow already. blimey!
18:10<stuarta>for some reason this doesn't feel late...
18:12<gbee>this time never used to feel late, but lately ...
18:13<stuarta>you admitting to getting old ;-)
18:15<gbee>never! ;)
18:15<stuarta>back in a bit. firetrucking reboot needed...
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18:56<stuarta>ahh, finally back to linux :)
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19:01<sycron>someone here?
19:02<sycron>i have installed Mythtv BUT my subtitels are zo big that the almost take the whole screen , Where can i make them smaller ??
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19:06<stuarta>not sure how well this auto progressive/interlaced stuff works
19:07<stuarta>i have content that switches between the two
19:07<stuarta>every few frames
19:07<Chutt>2:2 pulldown, or 3:2 if it was from a us source potentially.
19:07<Chutt>the current stuff doesn't handle that very well
19:07<stuarta>main stuff i see it on is from Aus.
19:08<stuarta>motor racing
19:08<stuarta>so some of it is fast moving, and some of it is slow moving
19:10<stuarta>but if i wasn't using --verbose playback, i wouldn't notice.
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20:38<daum>egister your IRC nickname (see '/msg nickserv help register' and ), as we've had difficulties with unregistered users. Thanks!
20:38<daum><cruiseoveride> guess ur all stuck with me
20:38<daum><daum> hi all, question i have a wireless network, and was wondering, if I have mythtv on one box can i have it write to a hard drive for recording on a different box?
20:38<daum>* Piotrek_Nielo
20:38<daum>copy and paste/hates me
20:39<daum>anyways any idea if it would work
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22:28[~]Likwuid_Ice just had his mysql database go kaput. Can anyone help me restore the default mythtv user and database?
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23:39<_Sam-->evenin -- why cant the process of "updating music database" be backgrounded so that users can still do other things while that task is performed?
23:39<_Sam-->it doesnt seem like that process takes much resources to accomplish
23:40<_Sam-->i could easily be watching a video or something while its updating my databse...
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