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02:00<xris>blech. something unstable in svn.
02:06<xris>backend is just hanging
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02:21<xris>and suddenly can't change channels in firewire.
02:35<xris>odd. things seem better after resetting my channel/program tables. I think this may have had something to do with some stuff I was testing for daniel earlier today
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04:02<visit0r>Anduin: hi, what do you think: would it be much work to port your mythvideo work to 0.20-fixes? I could do that if you think it's not hopeless, as I run 0.20 and I'd like to see the metadata stuff in action...
04:03<visit0r>Anduin: of course not merge it in the actual branch, but provide it as a patch ticket...
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05:52<The-FoX>Hello, i got a problem: i installed mythfrontend to be autostarted under gnome, but always it starts the database setup at first, what could be the probleme
05:52<The-FoX>Ups wrong channel
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09:31<janneg>MrGandalf: can you give me another example file for #2498? the one I got from the other ticket is bogus?
09:34<janneg>I can play it it back properly at 24fps but if I would trust the repeat_field flags it would be broken
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10:26<MrGandalf>janneg: I still have an old one.. hang on..
10:27<MrGandalf>I'll have to find it again..
10:30<MrGandalf>I'll have to regen one..
10:55<janneg>MrGandalf: are the broken streams only from one channel or broadcaster?
10:57<MrGandalf>well, lemme think about that
10:58<MrGandalf>no, I believe I've seen it on both my providers, though one much more than the other
11:01<Anduin>visit0r: Not hopeless, apart from the mythdvd merge there is little difference (it will probably just work, at most a few minor changes)
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11:04<Anduin>visit0r: Though in time that will change, today I plan to make it a bit harder.
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11:16<MrGandalf>having trouble finding a channel with that problem..
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11:25<visit0r>Anduin: ok, I'll probably wait for the 0.21 freeze then. is it already importing the .metadata files automatically?
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11:41<janneg>MrGandalf: that's not necessarily a bad thing. the stream from the other ticket is broken
11:42<MrGandalf>broken how? Did I submit the ticket?
11:50<MrGandalf>shortly after my last upgrade I started using ivtc and I thought that had helped since I see the problem rarely. I dropped ivtc and I'm still not seeing it. Maybe it's because of the upgrade. I used to see it all the time.
11:50<janneg>the stream has 24 interlaced frames announced as 59.94fps but every frame has repeat_first_field
11:51<MrGandalf>ah, think I may have found one..
11:53<MrGandalf>on all of mine the frames are all progressive, at least according to myth
11:59<MrGandalf>video stays at 30 frames behind for about 5 seconds then catches up. 3-4 seconds is fine, then 30 frames behind
12:00<janneg>sorry, I'm confused. it has progressive frames
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12:01<Anduin>visit0r: Nope, not yet, fixing the menus today (I hope), then finally get .metadata used
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12:06<MrGandalf>janneg: I caught a program having this problem, but 2 minutes before it ended. It's 181 megs. I've split the file in 4. The URL is
12:06<MrGandalf>when I play it in mplayer I see: demux_mpg: 24000/1001fps progressive NTSC content detected, switching framerate.
12:07<MrGandalf>Warning! FPS changed 47.952 -> 59.940 (-11.988000) [7] 44.2% 536 0
12:07<MrGandalf>and so on
12:09<Gordon87>is the internal player in mythtv based on mplayer? if so, can I pass options to force a demuxer for a filetype? (wanting to move playback of tystreams [tivo] over lan to the internal player rather than using mplayer currently]
12:09<MrGandalf>it uses ffmpeg
12:09<MrGandalf>or libmpeg2
12:10<Gordon87>hmm. well, tystreams are mpeg2 ;-) tho the mux is a bit oddball
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12:21<janneg>MrGandalf: thanks, I hope one of the smaller samples is enough
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12:58<wylie>hi all. has anyone seen daniel on irc today? [does daniel get on irc; i haven't been on irc in a while to know]
12:59<GreyFoxx>He doesn't come on irc
12:59<wylie>that's what i thought... but wasn't sure. thx
12:59<GreyFoxx>assuming you are referring to Daniel Kristjansson
13:00<wylie>finally some time to figure out the PMT bug on Cox cable with ATSC over QAM256.... it is driving me crazy. ;)
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13:43<wylie>hmmm. anyone else see something wrong with latest svn head between now and last night (with a distclean;rm -f ~/.ccache? frontend wil not play recordings or livetv for me.
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13:44<xris>wylie: I upgraded about midnight PST last night and things are fine
13:47<xris>wylie: only 2 files updated since I recompiled, and they're not related to the frontend
13:50<GreyFoxx>I've got issues too
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13:50<GreyFoxx>when I start playing arecording the backend "goes away" yet it's still running
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13:51<GreyFoxx>And sometimes playing starts fine, but as soon as I exit I jsut sit a black screen
13:59<gbee>odd indeed
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14:01<GreyFoxx>Actually, there is 1 change I made to my config since the last time I watched a recording... lemme change that
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14:12<GreyFoxx>2007-01-21 16:12:42.684 MythSocket(90f7bd8:14): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list.
14:20<wylie>GreyFoxx; this is the problem that I see today with latest SVN.
14:20<wylie>but I also see xris's note (above
14:21<wylie>) and so not sure what to think. I have same behavior with both livetv and recordings (verifying that statement again)
14:21<xris>wylie: I'm running two slightly different versions. maybe only backend got the bad-frontend code
14:22<GreyFoxx>I watched a ton of stuff yesterday with no problem, updated this morning (didn't note what version I had before and now I get that all the time when accessign arecording
14:23<GreyFoxx>I'm sure I wasn't running anything older than thursday so I'lllook through the commits
14:25<wylie>i was running a build last night (from last night), but I hadn't cleared ccache and that sometimes makes a difference for me. so not sure what might have changed.
14:25<xris>GreyFoxx: it would be last night sometime after [12584]
14:25<wylie>[from what core rev to another]
14:28<GreyFoxx>hmmm, anytime I restart the backend is seems ok unless I see a message about expiring a recording (same one each time)
14:28<GreyFoxx>as soon as I see that I have constant problems unless the next restart
14:29<wylie>2007-01-21 13:28:56.062 MythSocket(83f5f30:10): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list.
14:29<wylie>2007-01-21 13:29:03.068 MythSocket(83f5f30:10): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick).
14:29<wylie>2007-01-21 13:29:03.069 Reconnection to backend server failed
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14:29<wylie>this is what i see in frontnend log.
14:29<wylie>then frontend says backend gone away -- but backend process is still running
14:32<GreyFoxx>well, so far disabling autoexpiry has "fixed" it for me, something about that attempted expiry is causing a problem
14:32<wylie>what was the easy way to disable autoexpiry?
14:32<GreyFoxx>--noautoexpire when starting mythbackend
14:33<wylie>ty, will verify helps me too
14:33<GreyFoxx>helps narrow it down at least
14:34<wylie>verified -- disabling autoexpiry also worked for me
14:35<wylie>should one of us post a bug with this detail? i am happy to do it.
14:35<GreyFoxx>I'll take care of it
14:35<xris>GreyFoxx: maybe that's what was getting me last night, too.. backend kept hanging a bunch
14:35<GreyFoxx>I'd rather just fix it :)
14:36<wylie>i'd rather it was just fixed too -- but i am not wizard with mythtv code -- though an avid user (all of my TV's, 3 slave backends, with a total of 8 inputs)
14:36<GreyFoxx>No, what I'm saying is, I'll fix it, rather than posting a bug report
14:37<wylie>yup, i got that. ;^)
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14:42<gbee>got a backtrace?
14:43<GreyFoxx>nope, just looking at the autoexpiring stuff now
14:44<GreyFoxx>My little one is watching something right now so I can't kill the backend at the moment :)
14:44<wylie>hah, same here.
14:45<gbee>revert 12578
14:45<gbee>got a nasty feeling
14:46<wylie>can that be accomplished on my tree by doing svn revert 12578 from mythtv head?
14:49<wylie>nvm, no
14:50<gbee>svn diff -r 12577:12578 > patch.diff
14:50<gbee>then "patch -Rp0 < patch.diff"
14:51<gbee>there might be an easier way, but that will work
14:51<GreyFoxx>I've just warned my little one that I'm killing her show for a sec heh
14:51<GreyFoxx>she;s not happy with me :)
14:53<GreyFoxx>she's sick today, so I could tell her the sky is blue and she would be upset heh
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14:57<gbee>if that commit is the blame then it's my fault, didn't do enough testing of eskil's patch - didn't really think I needed to as it mostly just reverted changes originally made by eskil
14:58<GreyFoxx>ok, just waiting for an auto expire event now
15:04<GreyFoxx>revertting that keeps mythbackend happy now, but mythfrontend dies everytime I start a recording
15:05<GreyFoxx>the backend happily did the expire, and apparently several others that needed to be done
15:05<GreyFoxx>but as soonas I start playback the frontend dies
15:05<GreyFoxx>but preview playing is ok
15:07<gbee>mythobservable.h gets included in a mythcontext, which itself is used just about everywhere - might need to make clean
15:07<GreyFoxx>I think so
15:07<GreyFoxx>since I only compiled libmyth that time
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15:23<gbee>wylie: could you confirm that this fixes it for you? after a distclean etc?
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16:02<GreyFoxx>Holy sh*T
16:02<GreyFoxx>one of my recordings from today ended up being 13G long
16:02<GreyFoxx>It's normally 1
16:03<GreyFoxx>It's a 30 minute show, but didn't stop recording until I killed mythbackend a while ago to try and figureout this problem :)
16:06<wylie>gbee; confirmed
16:07<GreyFoxx>a full recompile fixed all of it here
16:07[~]GreyFoxx forces a show to auto expire just in case :)
16:07<gbee>wylie: ok thanks
16:07<gbee>reverted it in svn already :)
16:08<gbee>GreyFoxx: any idea on the total length of that recording?
16:09<GreyFoxx>gbee: 5 hours, 50 minutes, 34 seconds, lines up with when I killed mythbackend earlier when I working on upnp interaction with my xbox360
16:09<GreyFoxx>the show is only 30 minutes long :)
16:09<gbee>hehe - just short of the six hour kill siwtch :)
16:10<GreyFoxx>heh yeah
16:10<gbee>wondered if it had exceeded the max
16:11<GreyFoxx>Not quite, I hadn't realized at the time it was going on or I could have tested it :)
16:12<gbee>sorry about that btw - kicking myself for committing that
16:13<GreyFoxx>don't worry about it. We all do it :)
16:13<GreyFoxx>well, worry about it, but it's ok if it happens from time to time :)
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18:30[~]xris wonders what to call the second half of the dupcheck flags... both "new episodes only" and "exclude X" matches.
18:30<xris>I guess "Filter" works
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19:22<schtinky>can someone point me to the mythtv api or general developer documentation?
19:22<xris>schtinky: I believe that would be "the code"
19:23<schtinky>really? that's all?
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19:23<schtinky>damn this is going to be harder than I thought
19:23<eskil> is useful one in 10 times.
19:24<xris>developers are bad at writing documentation. people are trying to add doxygen comments, but only some of the code is up to par.
19:24<schtinky>eskil, perfect thanks
19:24<eskil>"10" meaning "once in a blue moon with flying pigs bringing you ice cream from hell"
19:24<schtinky>eskil, considering I'm starting out as a completely blank slate, this will be extremely helpful
19:25<eskil>the doxygen is like a dictionary, if you know excatly what you're looking for and how to spell it, you can find it... but then you might as well have looked at the code...
19:25<schtinky>I started poking around in the MythWeather plugin and realized I had no idea where to even start
19:26<schtinky>eskil, well C is not my thing either, so "looking at the code" has its own learning curve
19:28<eskil>it's mostly C++ (or atleast C+).
19:28<schtinky>eskil, well then it's obviously not my thing
19:29<schtinky>I'm almost exclusively a web app developer... just java for me
19:31<schtinky>can a mythplugin add an option to the "schedule recordings" section
19:32<schtinky>that is, could I add an option in the same menu as "record in this timeslot every week", "record at any time on any channel"
19:32<schtinky>I'm trying to get a grasp on how much control a mythplugin can assert before I go off on a wild goose chase
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19:46<xris>schtinky: migh twant to poke around in mythweb if your strength isn't c__
19:52<GreyFoxx>mythweb is mostly php
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