| --- | Log | opened Tue Feb 06 00:00:05 2007 |
| 00:13 | <Chutt> | Captain_Murdoch, i don't really like that asyncdb patch. |
| 00:13 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok, any suggestions? |
| 00:13 | <Chutt> | mainly just because the backend has enough threads running and sitting around doing absolutely nothing. |
| 00:13 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I thought I asked on here the other day, but guess no one was around. :) I'm all ears. I think this has been causing me issues as well so I'd like to do something to get a fix in. |
| 00:14 | <Captain_Murdoch> | this is just 1 thread |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | that will always be running |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | and doing nothing most of the time :p |
| 00:14 | <Captain_Murdoch> | yeah. do you think it would be better to spin one up to handle the query and let it die? |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | the backend uses enough ram :( |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | no, it'd be better to fix the problem, not throw another thread at it. |
| 00:15 | <Captain_Murdoch> | but we really shouldn't be doing DB updates in the main thread that captures data. |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | it worked until the latest version of ivtv. |
| 00:16 | <Chutt> | anyway, the main recorder thread could easily do the db updates |
| 00:16 | <Captain_Murdoch> | what about things like NVR? it could have the same issue if a DB write is delayed. |
| 00:16 | <Chutt> | you could have the same issue if you wrote a lot of other data to disk, too. |
| 00:16 | <Chutt> | would interfere with the writes |
| 00:17 | <Captain_Murdoch> | this isn't interfering with writes though, it's interfering with captures. |
| 00:17 | <Captain_Murdoch> | writes are buffered |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | not infinitely :p |
| 00:17 | <Captain_Murdoch> | well, longer than 1/30 of a second. :) |
| 00:17 | <Captain_Murdoch> | 1/29.97. :) |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | ivtv captures used to be buffered for ~30 seconds |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | by the driver |
| 00:18 | <Chutt> | well, unless someone played with the driver options |
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| 00:19 | <Captain_Murdoch> | so the driver would use 20-30 MB of kernel memory? sounds like a bad thing. anyway. like I said, I'm all ears. by "main recorder thread", which thread do you mean? |
| 00:19 | <Chutt> | tv_rec |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | and i wouldn't modify programinfo like it has been - that patch is a crash in waiting outside of mythbackend, if someone uses those functions |
| 00:20 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok, was thinking inside the *recorder.cpp files. |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | tv_rec's sitting there mostly idle |
| 00:20 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok, so no async. tv_rec just grabs the delta and size occasionally and updates the DB. |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 00:20 | <Captain_Murdoch> | easy enough. |
| 00:21 | <Chutt> | but it'd be best to make the scheduler not lock those particular tables =) |
| 00:21 | <Captain_Murdoch> | Bruce and David are working on that I believe. we've talked about it some off-list. |
| 00:21 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 00:21 | <Chutt> | cool. |
| 00:21 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I think xris was in on parts of the thread also. they're discussing the whole duplicate checking thing now. |
| 00:22 | <Chutt> | the only thing with doing it in the tv_rec thread is that it's slightly easier to lose a db update (like in say, livetv) |
| 00:23 | <Captain_Murdoch> | well, if I leave the data in the delta map until it's written then if we miss one, we catch up later. *recorder produces, tv_rec consumes. |
| 00:23 | <Chutt> | tv_rec switches recorders.. =) |
| 00:23 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 00:23 | <Chutt> | and if the scheduler's interfering there as well |
| 00:24 | <Chutt> | might still bork a recording |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 00:27 | <Captain_Murdoch> | if a recorder is finished recording, it can write out the rest of the data itself. |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | yeah, but if tv_rec needs to be answerin some other request, it probably shouldn't be stuck waiting on the scheduler. |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | maybe just use something like the asyncdb stuff temporarily :/ |
| 00:27 | <Captain_Murdoch> | oh, you meant that. gotcha. |
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| 00:28 | <Chutt> | every new thread the backend adds means a lot more ram usage, is all |
| 00:28 | <Captain_Murdoch> | understand perfectly. |
| 00:28 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I posted a message and took down my modified patch. I'll think about it some more. |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | and we can't really break those functions for non-backend code =) |
| 00:30 | <Captain_Murdoch> | yeah, only thing is the filesize one and I thought about making it check if (gAsyncDB != NULL) then do the async version, else query->exec(); |
| 00:30 | <Captain_Murdoch> | transcoder might use the delta one also, hadn't tested that yet. |
| 00:30 | <Captain_Murdoch> | since it uses NVR. |
| 00:31 | <Chutt> | shouldn't matter, though =) |
| 00:31 | <Chutt> | can't really have functions in an interface that will crash if called |
| 00:31 | <Captain_Murdoch> | right, the if (gAsyncDB != NULL) then gAsyncDB->AddQuery(query) else query->exec() would solve that. |
| 00:32 | <Chutt> | and delete query in the non case =) |
| 00:32 | <Captain_Murdoch> | then just delete the querey if were not async because the async would delete it if we're async |
| 00:32 | <Captain_Murdoch> | yeah. was typing that. :) |
| 00:32 | <Chutt> | ok, i'm fine with that short-term |
| 00:32 | <Chutt> | but i'd like to reduce the number of running threads sometime. |
| 00:33 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I'll try to figure out a better solution. I wasn't sure if you had an opinion or not since I mentioned it the other day, but you weren't around at the time I guess. no biggie. |
| 00:33 | <Chutt> | yeah, sorry |
| 00:33 | <Chutt> | busy here |
| 00:33 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I have had glitches at the beginnings of some of my recordings that I think I can attribute to this issue. |
| 00:33 | <Chutt> | i've never seen it |
| 00:33 | <Captain_Murdoch> | you have any HD cards? |
| 00:33 | <Chutt> | and i have 3 recordings starting simultaneously all the time |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 00:36 | <Captain_Murdoch> | seems to be more on those than ivtv. I thought it was antenna positioning at first, but then it would be fine on later recordings. I'm not 100% sure this is it, but I know that the tables can be locked after that select/update test I did. |
| 00:36 | <Chutt> | 'anonymous' in this case is 'GuyPaddock' |
| 00:37 | <Captain_Murdoch> | anyway, need to head to bed, have to be up early unfortunately. I'll think about it over the next couple days. |
| 00:37 | <Chutt> | btw |
| 00:37 | <Captain_Murdoch> | :) yeah, just figured I'd reply to that. he was commenting but evidenlty hadn't been reading the mailing lists seeing that we had been talking about that ticket just a week ago. |
| 00:37 | <Captain_Murdoch> | sometimes I should hold my tongue late at night. :) |
| 00:39 | <Chutt> | eh, it deserved a reply |
| 00:39 | <Chutt> | anyway, 'night =) |
| 00:47 | [~] | Captain_Murdoch didn't go quite yet. |
| 00:47 | <Captain_Murdoch> | nevermind, I'm gone... was looking at something, but decided to forget it for now. :) |
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| 05:00 | <Snow-Man> | erm, why stick a 2M database into svn? |
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| 09:56 | <onixian> | hi all |
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| 10:17 | <Cardoe> | replex/ringbuffer.c:437: warning: format '%llu' expects type 'long long unsigned int', but argument 3 has type 'uint64_t' |
| 10:17 | <Cardoe> | gag... bad code... |
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| 10:32 | <gbee> | heh - silly compiler |
| 10:35 | [~] | stuarta wonders if gbee regrets committing the 'A & An' patch |
| 10:37 | <gbee> | no regrets, I'm just washing my hands of it |
| 10:37 | <stuarta> | oh dear... |
| 10:37 | <gbee> | It's always ignored 'A' - I didn't add that bit |
| 10:38 | <gbee> | if it ignores 'A' then it's logical it does the same for 'An' - which is why I've no regrets, IMHO it just fixes what could be considered a bug |
| 10:39 | <gbee> | whether the feature as a whole is worthwhile or whether it should be done differently, I'll let someone else decide |
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| 11:00 | <ASiDiE> | I hope I am not out of line here.. but I am wondering if anyone is using mytv with dishnetworks and is it able to pull down the guide from the sat? I am working with a friend to understand how this differs from regular DVB guides... can anyone confirm this? |
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| 11:01 | <ASiDiE> | I am wondering if this feature is currently in mythtv.. or one of the latest svn builds. |
| 11:02 | <stuarta> | it's already in mythtv |
| 11:02 | <ASiDiE> | sweet... I will download the code and take a look at it.... |
| 11:07 | <ASiDiE> | anyone here one of the developers... of myth? |
| 11:08 | <stuarta> | a few |
| 11:08 | <ASiDiE> | what are you thoughts on moving some of the code over to C#? hard to do? |
| 11:09 | <stuarta> | not going to happen |
| 11:11 | <ASiDiE> | what about looking at the code.. to understand how it works.. and then writing original code in C#.... is there any type of coversion there? |
| 11:11 | <GreyFoxx> | Ummm... What ? |
| 11:11 | <stuarta> | where the linux C# compiler? |
| 11:11 | <stuarta> | i/is |
| 11:11 | <ASiDiE> | haha sorry guys.. i know very little about this stuff.. just trying to help a friend out |
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| 11:56 | <jul> | hi. Im use a trackball mouse for my HTPC. Mouse support is working in menus, but not in the music player. Known bug = |
| 11:56 | <jul> | ? |
| 12:04 | <mikegrb_> | check the topic |
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| 14:08 | <MrGandalf> | is anyone seeing odd behavior when switching channels between tuners? Specifically with the -vid branch? |
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| 14:14 | <janneg> | the only odd behaviour I'm aware off is that you can't switch directly to the channel the other card is tuned to after changing the card |
| 14:14 | <janneg> | mythtv thinks it is already tuned to that channel |
| 14:16 | <MrGandalf> | I'm seeing a case where the first 1-2 tunes to a different tuner after the backend starts tune to the channel selected, after that it always tunes cardinput.startchan |
| 14:16 | <MrGandalf> | only on a tuner change |
| 14:17 | <MrGandalf> | trying to figure out how the frontend communicates the selected channel to the backend.. I see a SPAWN_LIVETV but that doesn't indicated the requested channel. CHANGE_CHANNEL only shows up if you're on the same tuner and/or backend |
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| 14:35 | <_mike3_> | hey guys... I got MythTV all setup and done, but I was wondeirng how can I watch TV from another computer? I've setup the database to accept connections on my local subnetk, but which software can I use just as a frontend to connect under liux? |
| 14:35 | <GreyFoxx> | Wrong channel |
| 14:38 | <gbee> | meh, this music_directories table is proving more trouble than I thought it would |
| 14:38 | <eskil> | gbee, but hopefully worth it. |
| 14:39 | <_mike3_> | always do that |
| 14:39 | <gbee> | figured I'd eventually have to refactor the scanning code, but I'm forced to do it now or just make scanning worse instead of better |
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| 14:41 | <gbee> | I had hoped to keep the individual changes small and managable - means I can commit more frequently without breaking anything |
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| 14:46 | <gbee> | bah, I'll just get on with it - splitting the scanning code out into it's own class would be a start |
| 14:49 | <Chutt> | feel free to break stuff |
| 14:52 | <MrGandalf> | is it safe to clear the tvchain table? |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | when no live-tv is going on. |
| 14:52 | <MrGandalf> | k, thanks |
| 14:53 | <MrGandalf> | over 6500 rows.. |
| 14:53 | <gbee> | Chutt: thanks :) |
| 14:54 | <gbee> | eep, is there any cleanup being done? |
| 14:54 | <Chutt> | should be getting done on exit |
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| 14:55 | <gbee> | mines 230 rows (rarely use livetv) |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | it's in the TV destructor. |
| 14:55 | <gbee> | seems to date back as far as 2005 |
| 14:56 | <GreyFoxx> | Hmmm 37 in mine |
| 14:56 | <GreyFoxx> | and I never watch LiveTV so it must be every channel change I've done since livetv moved to use it :) |
| 14:57 | <gbee> | LiveTVChain::DestroyChain and LiveTVChain::DeleteProgram |
| 14:57 | <gbee> | grep'ing for DELETE FROM tvchain |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | DestroyChain's in the TV destructor. |
| 14:58 | <gbee> | right |
| 14:59 | <gbee> | guess they may be left over from crashes |
| 15:00 | <GreyFoxx> | should mythbackend clear any that refer to it on startup ? |
| 15:01 | <MrGandalf> | they are getting destroyed.. but only if myth exits livetv gracefully.. |
| 15:01 | <gbee> | any particular reason why it's done by chanid? |
| 15:02 | <gbee> | that wouldn't seem to prevent deleting a tvchain in use by another tuner (or does it?), yet it means that orphaned records are left around |
| 15:03 | <Chutt> | chainid |
| 15:03 | <gbee> | heh, misread that |
| 15:04 | <gbee> | makes more sense |
| 15:04 | <Snow-Man> | xris: hey |
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| 15:07 | <gbee> | could stick something in the housekeeper to clear chains from the table which are older than X days |
| 15:08 | <MrGandalf> | ok, the tvchain entry gets created by the frontend, correct? |
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| 15:27 | <Chutt> | can i write a semi-nasty email to the openmedia ltd guy? |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | it's bad enough when his 'support' people just ask the dev list for stuff |
| 15:33 | <Snow-Man> | heh |
| 15:33 | <janneg> | I think something like "have you considered writing it yourself if your costumers demand it" is appropiate |
| 15:34 | <Snow-Man> | That would have worked better had it been before someone offered to help. :) |
| 15:35 | <kvandivo> | oh, i don't know.. that seems like an appropos response regardless |
| 15:36 | <Chutt> | there, responded :p |
| 15:36 | <janneg> | it's probably to friendly |
| 15:37 | <kvandivo> | ya.. when they are brazen enough to say: Our customers want this. When are you going to do it for us? that might call for a rather curt reply |
| 15:37 | <xris> | Snow-Man: ?? |
| 15:37 | <Snow-Man> | xris: services.mythtv.org is created |
| 15:41 | <Snow-Man> | xris: It's under /data/www/services.mythtv.org, inside the vserver |
| 15:41 | <Snow-Man> | (and then htdocs/ under that) |
| 15:41 | <xris> | ok. |
| 15:41 | <Snow-Man> | The www vserver, specifically. |
| 15:41 | <xris> | I'll poke at it when I get home tonight / set up an acct for myself, etc. |
| 15:41 | <Snow-Man> | a'ight |
| 15:41 | <Snow-Man> | Lemme know if you need anything. |
| 15:42 | <xris> | willdo |
| 15:42 | <xris> | actually, can you make sure that sqlite and php's sqlite bindings are installed? |
| 15:42 | <xris> | sqlite3, that is? though I vaguely remember you doing that already. |
| 15:42 | <Snow-Man> | ii libsqlite3-0 3.3.8-1 SQLite 3 shared library |
| 15:42 | <Snow-Man> | ii php4-sqlite3 0.4-2 PHP4 bindings to SQLite3, a file-based SQL e |
| 15:42 | <Snow-Man> | I think we checked it previously, yes. :) |
| 15:42 | <Snow-Man> | xris: And for my 2c, don't put the sqlite db in svn.. |
| 15:43 | <Snow-Man> | :) |
| 15:43 | <Snow-Man> | xris: I would prefer you check with me on new packages or firewall changes or anything like that, in general. |
| 15:43 | <xris> | yeah, I wouldn't do that without asking. I don't trust myself all that much under debian. :) |
| 15:43 | <Snow-Man> | Good. ;) |
| 15:44 | <xris> | I don't really want the sqlite db in svn, either. it's sort of already there, but has been completely redesigned since I checked it in. |
| 15:44 | <Snow-Man> | Just doesn't seem like it makes any sense to do that, imv. |
| 15:44 | <xris> | actually, mainly just out of curiosity, is there a memcached package for debian? |
| 15:44 | <xris> | it'll be less important once the web services go up. at the moment, the only way to search would be to use the db directly. |
| 15:45 | <Snow-Man> | I think so, but I think we don't use it and instead have it installed by hand or some such. |
| 15:45 | <Snow-Man> | Or maybe it's called something else... |
| 15:45 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: You'd probably remember... |
| 15:45 | <Snow-Man> | Wasn't there like a turk-somethingorother? |
| 15:46 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 15:46 | <Chutt> | mmcache |
| 15:46 | <xris> | ok, yeah, that's the other one that mediawiki supports. |
| 15:47 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: How was that installed, and is it site-wide, or vhost-specific, or what? |
| 15:47 | <xris> | I haven't messed with it before. Last I checked, memcached was the preferred, and is the only one I have any experience with. |
| 15:47 | <Snow-Man> | For some reason I'm not finding any of the above where I thought it was. :) |
| 15:47 | <xris> | doesn't really matter, but if/once we get lots of user queries coming in, we'll probably want some sort of caching. |
| 15:48 | <Snow-Man> | Sure |
| 15:49 | <xris> | I need to find some time to actually do the updates to this stuff tonight, too.. did my taxes last night instead |
| 15:49 | <Snow-Man> | Well, turck-mmcache and memcache exist as Debian packages |
| 15:49 | <Snow-Man> | Though neither are instaled atm. |
| 15:49 | <Snow-Man> | +l |
| 15:49 | <Chutt> | eaccelerator is what's installed now |
| 15:49 | <Chutt> | i believe. |
| 15:49 | <xris> | ahh |
| 15:50 | <Snow-Man> | And that's not in Debian. :) |
| 15:50 | <MrGandalf> | oh well, maybe tomorrow.. |
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| 15:50 | <xris> | is memcached? |
| 15:51 | <Snow-Man> | memcached is in Debian, yes. |
| 15:51 | <Snow-Man> | Version 1.1.12-1 |
| 15:53 | <xris> | cool |
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| 15:56 | <Snow-Man> | Seems to be an older system, technically. |
| 15:56 | <Snow-Man> | Older version, that is |
| 15:58 | <xris> | memcached? I think they're up to 1.2 now |
| 15:58 | <Snow-Man> | Right, that's what I was trying to say. :) |
| 16:03 | <Chutt> | hey look, i write an email to the dev list, and someone bitches about it |
| 16:03 | <Snow-Man> | hahaha |
| 16:04 | <kvandivo> | and it took them a whole 5 minutes to do it |
| 16:05 | <GreyFoxx> | Chutt: The same guy who keeps bringing up using postgres :) |
| 16:05 | <Chutt> | i don't feel like replying. |
| 16:09 | <janneg> | I'm still wondering how a plugin should give context sensitive help |
| 16:09 | <Chutt> | popups on hitting F1 |
| 16:10 | <Chutt> | all it takes is time, and the ability to write |
| 16:13 | <janneg> | yes, I wasn't aware that a plugin can do that (knows the context of the frontend) |
| 16:14 | <janneg> | I would add that directly to the frontend |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | each screen handles its own keybindings |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | oh |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | it couldn't be a separate 'help plugin', obviously. |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | need to be built in to everything. |
| 16:16 | <Chutt> | i tend to ignore when people say 'plugin', cuz they almost never know what they're talking about. |
| 16:17 | <GreyFoxx> | udev againb or something different ? |
| 16:17 | <GreyFoxx> | oops |
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| 16:20 | <janneg> | but the "Technical Director" of a company selling mythtv solutions should know it |
| 16:21 | <hads> | He's the "Everything" |
| 16:22 | <Chutt> | he usually writes as 'openmedia support' |
| 16:22 | <Chutt> | so 'technical director' is a big promotion.. =) |
| 16:22 | <stuarta> | the first is prob more accurate |
| 16:23 | <hads> | He's from the same country as me. I met him the other day at LCA. One thing that amuses me is that his big Openmedia sig only turns up on mythtv related lists. |
| 16:24 | [~] | stuarta can think why that might be ;) |
| 16:24 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:27 | <Chutt> | i just think if someone's making money off of us, they could at least do the trivial crap |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | granted, i doubt he's making much, but, still :p |
| 16:28 | <stuarta> | we discussed it quite a bit at LinuxExpo |
| 16:28 | <stuarta> | came to the conclusion that those with the money to pay for it |
| 16:28 | <stuarta> | would want everything 110% |
| 16:29 | <stuarta> | support would be a bitch |
| 16:29 | <gbee> | not a job I'd envy doing, providing support for something is usually a thankless task |
| 16:30 | <Snow-Man> | Any moron who writes like 'usleep' should be banned from the lists anyway. |
| 16:30 | <gbee> | I couldn't imagine making enough money from it to warrant the stress |
| 16:31 | <stuarta> | no, not exactly high paying, only high stress |
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| 19:03 | <MrGandalf> | what is quicktune? |
| 19:04 | <MrGandalf> | nm |
| 19:13 | [~] | xris takes his hand off of the STFW buzzer |
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| 20:30 | [~] | Captain_Murdoch posts his one and only comment to the "Request: MythHelp" thread. |
| 20:31 | [~] | Captain_Murdoch then reads scrollback where others talked about the thread here during the day. |
| 20:46 | <Chutt> | Captain_Murdoch, thanks. =) |
| 20:48 | <Captain_Murdoch> | he's been annoying me for a while. |
| 20:49 | [~] | xris needs to find some time to actually read this apparently humorous/annoying thread |
| 20:50 | <Captain_Murdoch> | you have to search, not all of his requests for free features or support for his customers are in the same thread. |
| 20:50 | <Snow-Man> | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2007-February/053394.html |
| 20:50 | <Snow-Man> | It's not very long, or interesting, really. |
| 20:50 | <xris> | heh |
| 20:51 | <Snow-Man> | That's the start of the one people have been posting in. |
| 20:51 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I thought about posting links to other posts like that in my reply but decided I didn't need to spend that much time on it. |
| 20:51 | <xris> | I was actually thinking of something like that the other day... key to bring up a list of accepted commands for the current location. would be pretty nice. |
| 20:52 | <xris> | not exactly what he's asking for, though |
| 20:52 | <Captain_Murdoch> | yeah, just low on main developers todo list since it doesn't help them much at all. :) would be nice for someone wanting to get involved though. |
| 20:53 | <xris> | yeah |
| 20:54 | <xris> | heh. could make it a SoC program. lol |
| 20:54 | <xris> | I know how much Chutt loved dealing with SoC in 2006. :) |
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| 20:55 | <Captain_Murdoch> | could have a non-user-editable wiki page of things the developers think people could work on if they want to get into coding for Myth. |
| 20:55 | <xris> | there's one in trac already |
| 20:56 | <Captain_Murdoch> | you mean the want-list? |
| 20:56 | <xris> | we could port it to the main wiki, though.. set it up as an "if you'd like to get into coding for mythtv" |
| 20:56 | <xris> | yeah |
| 20:56 | <Captain_Murdoch> | problem is that's what users want, not what might actually be coded or accepted into SVN. and it's user-editable. |
| 20:58 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I'm just thinking a sort of HOWTO for getting into Myth programming with a possible list of things that we know would get accepted if done right (like the context sensitive help throughout) |
| 21:00 | <xris> | no, there's a page in trac about dev-wanted stuff |
| 21:00 | <Captain_Murdoch> | oh, didn't know about that. |
| 21:00 | <Captain_Murdoch> | have to take a look sometime. :) |
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| 21:00 | <xris> | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/FutureDevelopment |
| 21:01 | <xris> | something like that, along with the developer to contact about working on it. |
| 21:01 | <xris> | assuming we can lock down the main wiki in such a way that devs can edit the page but users can't. |
| 21:01 | <xris> | anyway, I should head home. later. |
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| 22:25 | <j0lly> | hello! |
| 22:25 | <j0lly> | Anyone know if MythTV runs on ps3? |
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