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| 02:48 | <gbee> | stuarta: upgrading record_tmp in dbcheck isn't correct as it's not created there and may not exist at the time of the update - in fact there is no need to change anything, as it's just created as a copy of record it will always have the same columns |
| 02:56 | <stuarta> | yeah, saw my email earlier... |
| 02:56 | <stuarta> | was kinda hoping someone would say that last night :) |
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| 03:14 | <gbee> | was too tired to think straight, sorry ;) |
| 03:16 | <stuarta> | no worries. i was suspicious about it cause of _tmp |
| 03:40 | <gbee> | never got an answer last night to my question about MythThemedMenu - think I'm going to get sidetracked into fixing that |
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| 04:51 | <Trentster> | hey all, Ive got the haupauge 150 and the silver remote, watching movies no volume control etc but I can skip forward and back and pause.....do I need to change default player to xine from mplayer |
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| 05:11 | <MonkeyINAbaG> | bleh! |
| 05:11 | <MonkeyINAbaG> | mabye this channel should be #mythtv-dev or something? |
| 05:12 | <janneg> | no |
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| 05:48 | <gbee> | even if this was mythtv-dev you'd still get people in here asking mythtv-users questions |
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| 06:47 | <janneg> | almost 300 open tickets for milestone 0.21 and unknown :( |
| 06:48 | <stuarta> | could be said to be in a "state of flux" |
| 07:06 | <gbee> | I've been trying to close a few recently, needs a concerted effort though |
| 07:06 | <gbee> | many of them are pretty simple, one line patches, duplicates or minor bugs |
| 07:07 | <stuarta> | i just haven't had any time. |
| 07:07 | <stuarta> | then i found some last night. |
| 07:07 | <gbee> | a handful of task tickets - I've got a couple of those open |
| 07:08 | <stuarta> | 1 down, lots more to go... |
| 07:08 | <stuarta> | that reminds me, need to put a note on 1 ticket, see if the series link stuff will help them out. |
| 07:08 | <janneg> | I'll try to close some of my tickets today |
| 07:18 | <gbee> | reckon if every went through the list of tickets owned by Isaac (by default), then maybe as many as 10-20% could be closed almost immediately |
| 07:18 | [~] | stuarta has been pushed down into 3rd place by gbee |
| 07:19 | <gbee> | ? |
| 07:19 | <stuarta> | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/milestone/0.21?by=owner |
| 07:20 | <gbee> | ahh |
| 07:21 | <gbee> | wonder how many of those are just me closing something as invalid |
| 07:21 | <stuarta> | unless you reassign them to yourself first, not many |
| 07:21 | <gbee> | then again, I wouldn't be the owner in that case |
| 07:21 | <stuarta> | i'm having my own personal BSP on 17th & 18th |
| 07:24 | [~] | gbee wonders if he dares ask what BSP means in this context and risk looking foolish |
| 07:24 | <stuarta> | Bug Squashing Party |
| 07:25 | <gbee> | heh |
| 07:25 | <stuarta> | debian has them all the time |
| 07:27 | <gbee> | it's not a bad idea |
| 07:32 | <stuarta> | i had to make room in the diary several weeks ago |
| 07:32 | <stuarta> | and still may end up out on Sat for my mates bday drinks |
| 07:36 | <gbee> | I should be doing other work this week, but fixing mythmusic was more interesting |
| 07:37 | <gbee> | next week I'll be playing catch up |
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| 09:16 | <gbee> | I'd like to try out the series link stuff, but don't really want to rescan, last time I rescanned it completely screwed up my channels table |
| 09:18 | <fred_basset> | it'll work without it, just with unqualified CRIDs |
| 09:19 | <gbee> | oh good |
| 09:20 | <fred_basset> | i've just sent an email to that effect to -dev |
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| 09:41 | <Merlin83b2> | fred_basset: How will it interact with already recorded shows? |
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| 09:44 | <fred_basset> | Merlin83b2: already recorded stuff doesn't have the programid & seriesid |
| 09:44 | <fred_basset> | so it has to fallback to normal dup methods |
| 09:44 | <Merlin83b2> | Figured so. In that case, would the 'smart' duplicate checking use subtitle/desc checking? |
| 09:45 | <Merlin83b2> | (It's installed and running but I haven't been home to try it!) |
| 09:45 | <fred_basset> | it's inbuilt, cause those in america always have programid's.... |
| 09:46 | <fred_basset> | i've got a ticket about the "smart" dup method |
| 09:46 | <fred_basset> | my feeling is that it won't be needed if the relevant shows have proper data |
| 09:46 | <Merlin83b2> | Ah right, so smart just happens anyway? |
| 09:46 | <Merlin83b2> | And we leave it set to subtitle/desc or subtitle as appropriate |
| 09:47 | <fred_basset> | yup. programid overrides sub/desc if present |
| 09:48 | <Merlin83b2> | Cool, so I don't even need to configure anything :> |
| 09:48 | <janneg> | smart dup check is subtitle/desc with empty subtitles considered as match |
| 09:48 | <Merlin83b2> | Good work, sir! |
| 09:49 | <fred_basset> | janneg: that's the one i have a ticket about... |
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| 09:50 | <stuarta> | i may still put it in anyway... |
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| 09:51 | <janneg> | I know. I just wanted to clarify it |
| 09:54 | <gbee> | stuarta: think the 'smart' matching would still be a good addition for those who don't have program ids |
| 09:54 | <stuarta> | yeah, i'm thinking that too. |
| 09:55 | <janneg> | but we should find a different name |
| 09:55 | <stuarta> | we don't have "smart" yet tho... |
| 09:56 | <janneg> | but the check isn't smart |
| 09:56 | <gbee> | I don't think smart is a bad name, it is 'smarter' than the current duplicate checking |
| 09:57 | <stuarta> | it's just not quite right is it.. |
| 09:57 | <janneg> | no, it works only better for your and mine data |
| 09:59 | <janneg> | the current subtitle/desc is smarter since it tries to detect and record generic episodes |
| 10:00 | <janneg> | and fails utterly for my data |
| 10:01 | <stuarta> | you been using the "smart" check? |
| 10:02 | <gbee> | it could just be called "Subtitle then Description" - I know it's not the short snappy name we're looking for, but it does describe the behaviour |
| 10:03 | <stuarta> | this is true, pretty much what i was thinking |
| 10:03 | <janneg> | no, I use only descriptionthe only |
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| 10:03 | <janneg> | no, I use only description |
| 10:07 | <janneg> | what about "full"? the current subtitle/description could be renamed to "full + record generic" |
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| 14:03 | <J-e-f-f-A|work> | CDev: Are you around? |
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| 14:31 | <J-e-f-f-A|work> | CDev_ Hi - can I ask you a question about uPnP? |
| 14:31 | <CDev_> | sure |
| 14:32 | <gbee> | in 3000 words or less, what is uPnP? |
| 14:32 | <gbee> | bet you're sorry now! |
| 14:32 | <CDev_> | gbee: didn't say I'd answer it! :-) |
| 14:33 | <J-e-f-f-A|work> | CDev_ - I was wondering if I could help develop a 'mythfrontend' -like look & feel for the uPnP interface -- is that possible? is it just more-or-less HTML with uPnP as the discovery mechanism and/or media protocol? |
| 14:34 | <CDev_> | Once the discovery is complete, it's basically a collection web service calls. |
| 14:34 | <CDev_> | I have been adding uPnp discovery of the backend servers to MythFrontend. |
| 14:35 | <CDev_> | As part of that, I was going to include stub implementations of a upnp media renderer. |
| 14:35 | <J-e-f-f-A|work> | CDev_: cool. I like what I see so far - I'm trying it out with my new Buffalo LinkTheatre DVD media player. It's basically just a 'directory' browser so far, right? (at least in .20) |
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| 14:36 | <CDev_> | That's all the CDS (Content Director Service) is: a collection of media that is remotely browsable. |
| 14:37 | <CDev_> | To make the frontend a true upnp control point/client will take a lot of work which I was not focusing on. |
| 14:38 | <CDev_> | You may want to look at the specs on www.upnp.org to see what services are defined. |
| 14:38 | <CDev_> | Keep in mind that most services/methods are optional and most devices don't implement all of them. |
| 14:38 | <J-e-f-f-A|work> | CDev_: Yeah, I don't expect you to do that! ;-) I just though it would be pretty neat to be able to plug in a uPnP media player and have a somewhat graphical 'MythTV Player" screen pop up. ;-) |
| 14:39 | <J-e-f-f-A|work> | CDev_: Is everything you're doing in code (ie c or whatever), or is some of the stuff done in php or with apache? |
| 14:39 | <CDev_> | It's all C++ (including my own implementation of a small http server) |
| 14:39 | <gbee> | cool ... guess I really know even less about uPnP than I thought |
| 14:41 | <CDev_> | Other than helping out with autodiscovery, I'm mostly focusing on the upnp library and building a solid implementation in the backend server. |
| 14:42 | <J-e-f-f-A|work> | CDev_: Thanks. I'll look into it more when I get a chance. Thank you for answering my questions, and for the uPnP integration you've already done! ;-) |
| 14:42 | <xris> | CDev_: btw, does your channel-info upnp query bring in stuff from tables other than channel? e.g. dtv_multiplex |
| 14:43 | <CDev_> | xris: I'll have to look. (There is no reason it can't if it already doesn't) |
| 14:44 | <xris> | I only discovered them the other day, and have added them to the perl bindings.. figured I should mention it to you, too, in case we decide at some point to standardize on xml instead of mysql for grabbing that info. |
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| 14:47 | <CDev> | xris: Probably wouldn't hurt to create a ticket for the extra data. I'm in the middle of some larger changes and will most likely forget about it. |
| 14:49 | <CDev> | The autodiscovery is turining into a major pain... On startup of the frontend, I don't have access to any of the context methods to retrieve settings. :( |
| 14:49 | <CDev> | So, I'm refactoring my code to be more independent, but still be configurable. |
| 14:50 | <CDev> | Chutt: do you see any issue with using an xml config file to store startup defaults for mythfrontend? |
| 14:51 | <CDev> | clear |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | what defaults? |
| 15:07 | <CDev> | I shouldn't of used the word defaults. |
| 15:08 | <CDev> | If the file does not exist, everything would work ok. |
| 15:08 | <Chutt> | just cache random stuff? |
| 15:09 | <CDev> | I need a place to store the USN (unqiue id) of the master backend after it's been located and choosen by the user (in a multi master backend config) |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | switchable later on? |
| 15:10 | <CDev> | I beleive GreyFoxx was talking about having a screen in the setup that will allow the user to switch master backends. |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | i fairly often switch which master backend my dev box talks to |
| 15:11 | <CDev> | The alternative is to always give the user a list of masters on startup. |
| 15:11 | <Chutt> | naw, should cache it |
| 15:11 | <CDev> | ok |
| 15:11 | <Chutt> | i don't mind xml for that |
| 15:11 | <GreyFoxx> | I'd say a commandline override for a specific session, with a setup screen for them to pick manualyl if they want |
| 15:11 | <Chutt> | but it may be easier to use the existing mysql.txt file writing stuff |
| 15:12 | <CDev> | Also, I have a lot of config settings that a user can override... I was using the the settings table. Is it appropriate to read the values from the file also, or should they be command line params? |
| 15:12 | <Chutt> | like what? |
| 15:13 | <CDev> | Port for upnp requests, Friendly name, Max Threads in http server, ... |
| 15:13 | <Chutt> | if they're not settings for how to talk to the db, probably should just live in the db settings table |
| 15:13 | <CDev> | Problem is, the upnp stack gets initialized (using all the settings) before we can find the master backend to talk to. |
| 15:15 | <CDev> | They all have defaults in the code, it would only be needed if the user wanted to override them. |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | sure, stick em in the file then |
| 15:16 | <kvandivo> | what percentage of the time would you think they would need overridden, out of curiousity? |
| 15:17 | <CDev> | ok. thanks. I was thinking a new xml config file, since the autodiscovery code would make the mysql.txt obsolete. |
| 15:18 | <Chutt> | thanks fine |
| 15:18 | <Chutt> | err, that's |
| 15:19 | <CDev> | kvandivo: The only thing I can see that users would want to override frequently is the friendly name. (so each frontend gets a name that can be recognized, instead of a list of 5 "MythTv A/V Renderer") |
| 15:19 | <kvandivo> | friendly name is the one i was wondering about.. |
| 15:19 | <Chutt> | stick the host name in the friendly name by default |
| 15:19 | <kvandivo> | i guess if its only used for differentiation in 'reports' it's not that big a deal |
| 15:19 | <CDev> | Chutt: will do... makes sense. |
| 15:19 | <kvandivo> | nod |
| 15:20 | <CDev> | kvandivo: Hopefully, it will eventually be used to remote control each frontend, from any uPnP controlpoint. |
| 15:20 | <kvandivo> | host name sounds like an excellent default |
| 15:21 | <CDev> | Chutt: one more thing if you have time? |
| 15:21 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 15:22 | <Chutt> | i had just been taking a break from work, anyway. it was guitar hero time. |
| 15:22 | <CDev> | The upnp spec has a device sending a M-Search request on startup to get the initial list of devices on the network. |
| 15:23 | <CDev> | I was going to re-use the SSDP class to listen on a reply socket for 2-5 secs to handle the replys. |
| 15:23 | <CDev> | problem is, it creates a new thread, and I'm sure you would like me to avoid that. |
| 15:24 | <CDev> | I'm thinking of changing the SSDP class to service multiple sockets at once, but would need to use the select function. |
| 15:24 | <CDev> | I'm worried about the performance of 'select'... do you have an opinion? |
| 15:24 | <Chutt> | what performance? |
| 15:25 | <Chutt> | you could use the MythSocket class, too |
| 15:25 | <Chutt> | it spawns one thread for all socket listeners |
| 15:25 | <CDev> | It's a udp datagram. |
| 15:25 | <Chutt> | yeah, but mythsocket is just a small wrapper around qsocketdevice |
| 15:26 | <xris> | CDev: I'll create a ticket once I figure out what fields will be needed, etc. |
| 15:26 | <CDev> | I need to be able to listen on 3 different sockets/ports at once. (1 for multicast, 1 for broadcast (optional), and 1 for m-search responsed) |
| 15:26 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 15:27 | <CDev> | right now, I create 2 instances of the SSDp class (one for multicast, and one for broadcast). |
| 15:27 | <CDev> | each one gets its own thread. |
| 15:27 | <CDev> | adding a third, and for only 2-5 secs per m-search request, doesn't make as much sense. |
| 15:28 | <CDev> | (trying to reduce the number of threads, since reading your concerns over the past few days) |
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| 15:29 | <Chutt> | why can't it be consolidated into one thread listener? |
| 15:30 | <CDev> | I guess I don't know enough about sockets. |
| 15:30 | <CDev> | If I have 3 socket/ports, can I bind them to the same listener? |
| 15:30 | <Chutt> | select has no bad performance overhead :p |
| 15:31 | <CDev> | good enough. I'll see if I can reduce it all down to one thread using select. |
| 15:31 | <Chutt> | you should be able to, yes. |
| 15:31 | <Chutt> | check out the MythSocket code for an example. |
| 15:31 | <Chutt> | it pretty much does exactly that |
| 15:31 | <CDev> | I have... but I've been trying to avoid slots, since I am always in a worker thread. |
| 15:32 | <xris> | Chutt: is there documentation somewhere for how to interact with the backend for livetv, or just the code?? |
| 15:32 | <Chutt> | xris, just the code. |
| 15:32 | <Chutt> | CDev, it doesn't use slots |
| 15:32 | <xris> | ok, cool |
| 15:32 | <xris> | thinking I'd like to get that into the perl bindings for eventual use in transcoding for mythweb. |
| 15:33 | <Snow-Man> | xris: Did you need something from me? |
| 15:34 | <CDev> | Chutt: my bad.. thinking of httpcomms. |
| 15:34 | <xris> | Snow-Man: nope, not yet |
| 15:36 | <Snow-Man> | k. |
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| 15:37 | <xris> | I poked around on the service web stuff for a bit, set up a new svn repo for it, etc... |
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| 15:37 | <xris> | is there any kind of backup system in place on that box? |
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| 15:44 | <Snow-Man> | xris: eh, not at the moment.. |
| 15:44 | <Snow-Man> | And it hasn't got a tape drive. :/ |
| 15:44 | <Snow-Man> | I'll ask OSUOSL if they've got anything we could piggy-back on. |
| 15:48 | <xris> | huh? what does a tape drive have to do with backups? |
| 15:48 | <xris> | I was thinking of something more along the lines of rsnapshot (both onsite and remote) |
| 15:48 | <Chutt> | bah, just rsync it to your new box |
| 15:48 | <xris> | Chutt: that's what rsnapshot does |
| 15:48 | <Chutt> | i'm still payin you for hosting :p |
| 15:48 | <xris> | hahaha |
| 15:49 | <xris> | Snow-Man: anyway, no biggie. just wanted to make sure that the new /var/lib/svn-www dir got added to any existing backups. but since there aren't any, it's not a big deal (other than the "no backups" thing) |
| 15:53 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: Well, I could, but it'd be kind of dumb if OSUOSL is willing to do it, which it sounds like they are. |
| 15:53 | <Chutt> | aah, ok |
| 15:53 | <Snow-Man> | 16:52 <@marineam> Snow-Man: yes, using rsync+dirvish |
| 15:54 | <ServerSage> | So, if I do any kind of drive IO on my backend system (a du for example) I get ivtv DMA errors, and livetv gets very choppy. |
| 15:54 | <Chutt> | i did say that 4 minutes before he answered |
| 15:54 | <Chutt> | ServerSage, topic. |
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| 15:54 | <Snow-Man> | xris: Well, my plan would be to back up the whole box.. :) |
| 15:54 | <ServerSage> | Chutt: Sorry, wrong window. Hehe. |
| 15:54 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt: I havn't been paying attention for like 10 minutes, so... :) |
| 15:57 | <xris> | Snow-Man: then that's what dar is for. :) |
| 15:58 | <Snow-Man> | Basically we need to set up an rsync server for / and then limit access to it. |
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| 15:59 | <xris> | Snow-Man: or use an ssh key attached to root and a specific IP |
| 15:59 | <Snow-Man> | uh, or do the rsync server like marineam said.. |
| 16:00 | <xris> | I prefer secure connections, personally. but either way works. |
| 16:00 | <Snow-Man> | That wasn't an option provided. |
| 16:01 | <GreyFoxx> | how much disk space is actually used on the box ? |
| 16:01 | <Snow-Man> | approx 25G |
| 16:02 | <GreyFoxx> | ok I can likely add that to my work backup system if getting another solution setup is a problem (colo facility with gobs of backup machines and gobs of disk space) |
| 16:02 | <xris> | which might change dramatically if we start adding more themes or something like that. |
| 16:02 | <GreyFoxx> | We use rsync+backuppc usually over ssh with a key |
| 16:03 | <GreyFoxx> | we've got backup servers in multiple locations that do nothing but rsync other machines |
| 16:03 | <Snow-Man> | I don't think it'll be an issue.. |
| 16:03 | <GreyFoxx> | k |
| 16:05 | <Snow-Man> | xris: marineam would rather have unencrypted backups over a local net than password-less ssh keys. Also pointed out that if rsync supported SSL.. |
| 16:10 | <xris> | yes, for local backups, sure.. but I thought we were talking about sending offsite. |
| 16:10 | <Snow-Man> | uh, no.. |
| 16:13 | <xris> | gotcha. |
| 16:14 | <xris> | I was thinking about having a geographically different backup site.. for major-disaster recovery. |
| 16:14 | <xris> | but I was also only thinking about specific things like svn/web data |
| 16:14 | <GreyFoxx> | That's what I assumed you meant, hence the office :) |
| 16:14 | <GreyFoxx> | s/office/offer |
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| 16:19 | <Snow-Man> | xris: They may have that but it'd probably all be over their own network anyway. |
| 16:19 | <xris> | yeah. if they have their own backup solution, that's cool |
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| 16:44 | <Snow-Man> | Chutt, xris: I've created a ticket w/ OSUOSL to get backups going on alcor. I believe everything is set up on our system, and it should do the whole box (excluding dumb things like /sys and /proc) |
| 16:45 | <xris> | cool |
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| 17:19 | <Snow-Man> | OSUOSL kicked off an initial backup for us. :) |
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| 17:50 | <xris> | nice |
| 17:50 | <xris> | man, really nice service they're doing for us. |
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| 18:22 | <Snow-Man> | xris: indeed. |
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| 21:09 | <Sembiance> | Just wanted to remind everyone, I have some PC HD5500 PCI cards that I don't need anymore |
| 21:09 | <Sembiance> | I'd be willing to donate them to MythTV developers that could use them to benefit mythtv |
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| 22:40 | <adante> | Sembiance: might be worth asking on the mailing list |
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| 22:43 | <xris> | asking what? |
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| 22:56 | <xris> | anyone around know anything about the dtv_multiplex table? |
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