| --- | Log | opened Wed Mar 14 00:00:13 2007 |
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| 01:26 | <xris> | gbee or CDev looks like a compile error in httpstatus.cpp |
| 01:27 | <knowledgejunkie> | Captain_Murdoch: I'm here |
| 01:27 | <gbee> | xris: what's the error? |
| 01:27 | <xris> | crap, nevermind. |
| 01:27 | <xris> | apparently I had a local mod |
| 01:27 | <xris> | dunno how it got there. |
| 01:28 | <gbee> | ah ok |
| 01:28 | <xris> | conflict |
| 01:28 | <xris> | I think I applied the music xfer patch, but something must have changed between applying it and the actual |
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| 01:31 | <gbee> | yeah, all the xml methods where removed from httpstatus.cpp into a new file |
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| 02:13 | <xris> | gbee: that'd do it |
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| 02:53 | <knowledgejunkie> | I've just submitted ticket 3207, to which I've attached a patch which fixes the formatting of 'mythbackend --printsched'. |
| 02:54 | <knowledgejunkie> | As I'm pretty new to SVN, should I always run 'svn diff' from the base checkout directory, or will patch/svn try to find the file within the subtree? |
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| 02:55 | <gbee> | knowledgejunkie: either from the base directory or within 'mythtv' or 'mythplugins' |
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| 03:01 | <knowledgejunkie> | gbee: thanks |
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| 03:15 | <gbee> | dvb-usb: Hauppauge Nova-T 500 Dual DVB-T successfully initialized and connected. |
| 03:15 | <gbee> | yay |
| 03:16 | <knowledgejunkie> | gbee: is that card now stable? |
| 03:17 | <gbee> | apparently not 100%, but good enough if you don't use it for EIT scanning |
| 03:17 | <knowledgejunkie> | gbee: cool. 1 slot, 2 tuners |
| 03:18 | <knowledgejunkie> | gbee: I spent ages looking for a S939 card with >=4 PCI slots for my 3 DVB-T cards and PVR-150 |
| 03:18 | <gbee> | I expect the bugs to be fixed in the next couple of months from what has been said on the v4l mailing list |
| 03:19 | <gbee> | :) |
| 03:19 | <knowledgejunkie> | gbee: I've been checking the progress in my gmail every so often |
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| 03:31 | <gbee> | cool, now I've only got a single conflict into my entire 2 week schedule |
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| 05:54 | <gbee> | do we still allow passive EIT collection, without the crawl? i.e. when tuned to a channel for recording |
| 05:56 | <stuarta> | yup |
| 05:56 | <gbee> | ok, that's good |
| 05:57 | <stuarta> | :) |
| 05:57 | <gbee> | gbee: #mythtv-users |
| 05:57 | <gbee> | oh yeah. er sorry |
| 05:57 | <stuarta> | hehe |
| 06:05 | <okolsi> | gbee: out of curiosity.. the new album-art DB thing.. how does it handle multiple images in one directory? Does it add them all to DB as cover images or just one? |
| 06:07 | <gbee> | it adds them all |
| 06:07 | <okolsi> | okay, thanks |
| 06:08 | <gbee> | the actual visualizer randomly picks one of the available images |
| 06:10 | <janneg> | gbee: iirc it's not possible to disable just the active scan. see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2741 for a possible solution |
| 06:10 | <gbee> | janneg: thanks |
| 06:11 | <gbee> | I was wondering if I can still use EIT for a handful of channels and without active scanning with the Nova-T 500 |
| 06:13 | <stuarta> | you'd have to disable eit on the nova-t, and most of the channels on the other data source |
| 06:14 | <gbee> | might be more hassle to sort out than just adding xmltvids for the radio channels :) |
| 06:17 | <gbee> | er, except I'm forgetting why I was investigating this in the first place - there aren't any xmltvids for the radio channels |
| 06:19 | <stuarta> | i was wondering about that :) |
| 06:19 | <janneg> | gbee: just apply the patch and mark both nova-t 500 adapters as "open on demand" |
| 06:20 | <janneg> | this will disable the active scanning on those adapters |
| 06:20 | <gbee> | janneg: ok |
| 06:20 | <janneg> | passive scanning while recording will still work |
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| 06:23 | <gbee> | I'll update the patch against HEAD while I'm at it |
| 06:25 | <gbee> | not sure why I feel the need to capitalise head every time |
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| 10:42 | <knowledgejunkie> | Has xris mentioned any problems displaying normal (non search) recording schedules with latest mythweb? |
| 10:44 | <knowledgejunkie> | custom schedules display fine (/mythweb/tv/schedules/custom/nnnn type url) whereas manual schedules fail to display anything (/mythweb/tv/detail?recordid=nnnn) |
| 10:44 | <knowledgejunkie> | is there an issue with URL re-writing? |
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| 12:19 | <stuarta> | what's with the latest comment on #3031? Someone trying to start a flamewar? |
| 12:21 | <Sembiance> | heh |
| 12:22 | <Sembiance> | not me. |
| 12:33 | <gbee> | coward didn't put his name to it |
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| 12:35 | <janneg> | strange, I didn't noticed the error |
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| 15:00 | <RyeBrye> | I think there is a bug with the firewire fixes that got put in recently. When I go to set up a firewire capture card, it has a spot for the GUID but it doesn't let me input or select one |
| 15:00 | <RyeBrye> | in the database, I don't see a column for the GUID in the capturecard table |
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| 15:56 | <j-rod> | jams: ping |
| 15:57 | <jams> | yep |
| 15:57 | <jams> | on a conf call with me new boss, but i'm around |
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| 15:58 | <j-rod> | ooh, new boss... |
| 15:59 | <jams> | same job, new boss. Seems like a decent guy so far |
| 15:59 | <j-rod> | old boss canned, or moved on? |
| 16:00 | <j-rod> | and/or was old boss not decent.... |
| 16:00 | <jams> | moved on |
| 16:00 | <jams> | old one was a good guy as well |
| 16:00 | <j-rod> | that's good |
| 16:01 | <j-rod> | so now what I'm pingin' ya for... |
| 16:01 | <j-rod> | I'd started playing with pungi, our new distro spin tool, and had a nice Fedora 7-based single-cd mythtv install together |
| 16:01 | <j-rod> | but rather than reinventing the wheel, I'm now working on some stuff w/the mythdora guys |
| 16:02 | <j-rod> | one of the big complaints about mythdora is this text menu setup thingy |
| 16:03 | <j-rod> | and you mentioned you thought your gui stuff should be albe to run on pretty much any distro some day... |
| 16:04 | <jams> | j-rod- the gui will run on any distro. It's the scripts that do the work that will need to be modified |
| 16:04 | <j-rod> | that could certainly be done |
| 16:04 | <jams> | all the gui does is collect the info/write the info to a file/ and the run a script with various options |
| 16:05 | <xris> | j-rod: congratz on the new release. :) |
| 16:05 | <j-rod> | and then I wanted to also ask if you'd be okay with mythdora using your stuff at some point |
| 16:05 | <j-rod> | xris: woo! now let the bug storm cometh... ;) |
| 16:05 | <jams> | it's also fairly modular, so changing the scripts should be straightforward. |
| 16:06 | <jams> | sure, thats not a problem. |
| 16:06 | <j-rod> | jams: I imagine some of it overlaps w/things mythdora already has scripts for |
| 16:06 | <jams> | be warned that right now it only compiles against svn. It will not compile against -fixs |
| 16:07 | <j-rod> | I wouldn't anticipate merging it being a big deal |
| 16:07 | <jams> | ok |
| 16:07 | <j-rod> | that's no biggie, this would probably be something we'd target for a Fedora 7-based mythdora |
| 16:07 | <knowledgejunkie> | xris: are you aware of any problems displaying normal (manual, non search) recording schedules with latest mythweb? |
| 16:07 | <j-rod> | of course, if mythtv 0.21 still ain't out by then... ;) |
| 16:08 | <knowledgejunkie> | custom schedules display fine (/mythweb/tv/schedules/custom/nnnn type url) whereas manual schedules fail to display anything (/mythweb/tv/detail?recordid=nnnn) |
| 16:08 | <knowledgejunkie> | is there an issue with URL re-writing? |
| 16:08 | <jams> | maybe you can help me with my X config stuff =) |
| 16:08 | <j-rod> | jams: absolutely |
| 16:09 | <jams> | j-rod- I have made some big improvements since you last looked at it. |
| 16:09 | <xris> | knowledgejunkie: haven't looked in the last day or two, but things were fine last time I checked |
| 16:09 | <j-rod> | I don't doubt it |
| 16:09 | <jams> | like everybody else lack of time to complete stuff |
| 16:09 | <j-rod> | I hear that |
| 16:10 | <j-rod> | fortunately, work has been a little slow the past few weeks |
| 16:10 | <j-rod> | (lull between rhel5 going gold master and the actual release, basically) |
| 16:11 | <j-rod> | jams: once the fc6/myth 0.20 mythdora is out the door, I'd love to start rolling regular F7-based spins and start working on integrating your stuff |
| 16:11 | <jams> | how do you see it working? calling the config screens on firstboot? |
| 16:12 | <j-rod> | not entirely sure yet |
| 16:12 | <j-rod> | could probably call it from firstboot somehow |
| 16:12 | <j-rod> | or run at first login time |
| 16:12 | <j-rod> | I'd certainly prefer within firstboot somehow |
| 16:13 | <knowledgejunkie> | xris: line 104 of mythweb/modules/tv/tmpl/default/schedules.php seems to be related to the problem - the "if ($schedule->search)" seems to fail, resuliting in the "echo 'detail?recordid='.$schedule->recordid" url |
| 16:14 | <jams> | j-rod- do you know python? |
| 16:14 | <j-rod> | well enough, yeah |
| 16:14 | <jams> | right now the scripts are bash, but I have been thinking of moving to python |
| 16:14 | <jams> | have not done it yet, but the thought keeps coming up |
| 16:14 | <j-rod> | all the mythdora stuff is perl, and I'd been wanting to redo a lot of it in python too. :) |
| 16:15 | <jams> | you will get to help from me with that perl stuff =) |
| 16:15 | <j-rod> | a lot of the work I've done for mythdora has been on anaconda and some of the firstboot stuff, which is all python |
| 16:15 | <j-rod> | (and a bit of c) |
| 16:17 | <j-rod> | firewall bit now has a checkbox to allow all MythTV traffic, just like the ssh/http/etc ones |
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| 16:17 | <jams> | nice |
| 16:17 | <j-rod> | anaconda is heavily tweaked to reflect that its a mythtv dvr install, not a "general internet usage" desktop install |
| 16:18 | <jams> | i once started on a fedora based product (before mythdora) but anaconda kept ticking me off so I gave up |
| 16:18 | <j-rod> | heh, its done its share of that to me |
| 16:19 | <j-rod> | I have the good fortune of being able to walk down the hall and kick the anaconda devs if I need to |
| 16:19 | <jams> | give them a kick for me (even if it is two years late) |
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| 16:19 | <j-rod> | absolutely |
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| 16:20 | <jams> | http://jmeyer.us/e107_plugins/autogallery/autogallery.php?show=screenshots%2Fmythinstall_screensshots%2FadvancedX2.jpg |
| 16:20 | <briand> | j-rod: how does your fc7-based stuff (or for that matter, mythdora) handle installing the stuff not in core (mp3, etc) ? |
| 16:21 | <j-rod> | briand: its on the cd... |
| 16:21 | <jams> | thats the screen that i'm working on. It works and that Test X button collect parameters and passes them off to a script. But i'm not for sure how to handle it from there. Each card has it's own quirks |
| 16:21 | <jams> | sometimes a 2nd X session works and sometimes it doesn't |
| 16:21 | <j-rod> | hrm |
| 16:22 | <briand> | j-rod: wow... you have a semi-official pseudo-distro from RH/FC that includes mp3 support? I'm impressed! |
| 16:22 | <j-rod> | briand: we just twiddle comps.xml and the packages that go on the cd, and it installs like any other package |
| 16:22 | <j-rod> | its not officially from RH at all |
| 16:22 | <briand> | ahh.. gotcha. |
| 16:22 | <jams> | yesterday I was thinking of maybe only doing limited testing in known good configurations. Anything else say "here is your config file" |
| 16:23 | <j-rod> | jams: I have X guys I can kick too... |
| 16:23 | <briand> | so it's a "tweaked" FC install, specific for myth |
| 16:23 | <jams> | i was hoping you would say soemthing like that |
| 16:23 | <j-rod> | briand: pretty much, yeah |
| 16:24 | <j-rod> | jams: of course, they may well ignore anything having to do with closed-source drivers... |
| 16:24 | <briand> | j-rod: can I make my case for making two tweaks for it, then? a "user" install for the plug-n-play weenies, and a "dev" install that puts all the necessary dev stuff on there, along with the current "mythdora" package(s) and myth source, so we can bump it up to svn head, if we wish? :) |
| 16:25 | <briand> | ...without getting all the extra extra extra "dev" stuff that fedora normally piles onto the drive.. |
| 16:25 | <j-rod> | briand: the installer asks "which tasks do you want ... blah blah?" and the checkbox options are 1) MythTV DVR 2) MythTV Developement and 3) Additional Hardware Support |
| 16:26 | <briand> | sweet! |
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| 16:26 | <j-rod> | of course, the development stuff isn't quite fleshed out (running into iso size issues right now, debating saying fuckit, and moving to >700M) |
| 16:26 | <kantlivelong> | llo all |
| 16:26 | <j-rod> | two CD isos and one DVD is what I'm currently thinking |
| 16:26 | <briand> | I've avoided the 'all-in-one' type distros (knoppmyth and mythdora) in the past, because I knew I didn't want to be limited... I like that there'll be a "mythdev distro" option. :) |
| 16:27 | <j-rod> | things are slightly busted for FC6's anaconda, but for an F7-based spin, there'll be check boxes to enable the main fedora repos at install time too |
| 16:27 | <briand> | 2 cds (cd 1 for 'normal', all/most of the dev stuff on cd2) would be okay.. and, heck, don't most myth systems have a DVD player (if not recorder) now, anyway? |
| 16:27 | <j-rod> | as well as rpmfusion |
| 16:28 | <j-rod> | a surprising number of people don't have DVD burners yet |
| 16:28 | <jams> | or dvd drives |
| 16:28 | <briand> | I don't know why. I have a samsung $39 18x DVD burner (and it's $42 cousin with lightscribe support) on my machines |
| 16:29 | <briand> | newegg is my friend. |
| 16:29 | <briand> | :) |
| 16:29 | <j-rod> | yep |
| 16:29 | <j-rod> | but still |
| 16:29 | <xris> | knowledgejunkie: looks like a bug. feel free to submit a bug report. |
| 16:30 | <briand> | j-rod: of course, I'm old enough to remember saving for a couple months to buy ONE meg of memory.. and it arrived as 48 individual 16-pin DIP chips |
| 16:30 | [~] | j-rod isn't that old... :) |
| 16:30 | <briand> | it only cost me somewhere around $850 at the time. :) |
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| 16:30 | [~] | briand isn't that old, either. just started out young. :) |
| 16:30 | <j-rod> | but yeah, it boggles the mind that people don't have a dvd burner when they can be had so cheap |
| 16:31 | <j-rod> | hell, I have at least five |
| 16:31 | [~] | j-rod still hasn't crossed the 30 barrier |
| 16:31 | <briand> | i've two burners and one dvd (non-burner) from my original myth box |
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| 16:31 | <briand> | yeah, you are a youngster, then. ;) |
| 16:32 | <briand> | although, i'm not TOO much further down the track than you |
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| 16:33 | <briand> | but i did have the opportunity to play in DOS, DEC VAX, OS/2, Warp, etc before Windows took over the market |
| 16:33 | <knowledgejunkie> | xris: will do |
| 16:33 | <j-rod> | DOS 6.22 and/or Mac OS 6.x was about where I started |
| 16:34 | <briand> | my first machine ran DOS 2.2.. a 4.77MHz dual-floppy IBM-PC clone |
| 16:34 | <briand> | I sold my old RS Coco to a guy for $350, and spent that on a ST-238 RLL 30M hard disk. :) |
| 16:35 | <j-rod> | my first was a Mac SE at a whopping 8MHz, w/a 20MB HD and 1MB of RAM, iirc (well, it was my parents, actually) |
| 16:35 | <briand> | ..and that machine became an "XT" |
| 16:35 | <briand> | so, yeah.. about the same era, I think.. maybe a year or three later |
| 16:36 | <briand> | first mac I ever touched was a Lisa that we had in our development shop (that product never panned out, but the machine was still around [hmm.. well, *it* didn't pan out either, did it??) |
| 16:36 | <briand> | second one was an old 7100 with OS7 on it |
| 16:36 | <Dibblah> | Course it did. |
| 16:37 | <Dibblah> | Still lives on in the Mac Classic, in ways. |
| 16:37 | <briand> | i guess, kinda... |
| 16:37 | <j-rod> | heh, #2 for me was a 6100 |
| 16:37 | <briand> | except a lot of the lisa hardware was proprietary and wasn't carried over to the rest of the line |
| 16:37 | <Dibblah> | ST-506, surely? |
| 16:38 | <briand> | I still have my Newton (and it still works!) |
| 16:38 | <gbee> | /join #mythtv |
| 16:38 | <Dibblah> | Ahem. Sorry :) |
| 16:38 | <briand> | gbee: your'e already here. |
| 16:39 | <briand> | gbee: over in #ancientcomputerhardware, they're talking about MythTV development right now. ;) |
| 16:39 | [~] | briand re-lurks. |
| 16:39 | <xris> | j-rod: I started with an apple IIe.... then went for a few years without a computer, and got a mac plus when we moved back to the US. |
| 16:39 | <gbee> | hehe |
| 16:39 | <xris> | the Plus is probably still around at my grandparents' house. got an upgrade to a 16mhz 68020. heh |
| 16:40 | <j-rod> | ooh, nice... :) |
| 16:40 | <j-rod> | I had an SE w/an Ethernet card at one point |
| 16:40 | <briand> | sweet! my HDHR just arrived. :) :) |
| 16:40 | <j-rod> | okay, I should stop, definitely wandering way too far OT... :) |
| 16:40 | <briand> | so, umm... who's working on that PMT issue?? ;) |
| 16:40 | [~] | briand got back on topic... |
| 16:41 | <j-rod> | what PMT issue? |
| 16:41 | <gbee> | I don't really mind, I just happened to come back to my machine and thought I had the #mythtv-users tab up for a moment ;) |
| 16:41 | <briand> | 20-30% of the recordings will fail, and channel scanning is borked, since 12619 |
| 16:41 | <gbee> | briand: Daniel |
| 16:41 | <briand> | according to what I've read. I haven't plugged this beast into anything, yet. |
| 16:42 | <j-rod> | ah, okay |
| 16:42 | <j-rod> | still running 0.20-fixes on my main setup |
| 16:42 | <gbee> | but it doesn't, as some posters to the ticket imply, affect every dvb user |
| 16:42 | <briand> | ah.. and he's almost back from his moving adventure, is he not? |
| 16:42 | <j-rod> | he's moved, dunno if he's fully settled in |
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| 16:43 | <briand> | gbee: my impression is that I won't be able to scan channels with the HDHR; I'll have to manually add them.. and even then, a percentage of recordings will just 'fail'.. is that accurate? semi-accurate? |
| 16:43 | <j-rod> | I do get the occasional wonky recording off my hdhr, and a lot more artifacting/dropped-data-looking recordings than w/a DVB card |
| 16:43 | <j-rod> | had a recording the other day that caused mythfrontend to segfault |
| 16:43 | <j-rod> | spew on the console was something about trying to create too large an Xv surface |
| 16:44 | <briand> | j-rod: are you using ATSC or QAM (or both)? |
| 16:44 | <j-rod> | seems the video somehow claimed to be bigger than 1920x1080 for at least a few frames |
| 16:44 | <j-rod> | QAM |
| 16:44 | <briand> | that's my plan here, as well... for both ports, probably |
| 16:44 | <j-rod> | works fine for the most part |
| 16:45 | <briand> | supposedly, comcast here in tally has all but premium content 'in the clear' |
| 16:45 | <briand> | (even though I'm just an analog subscriber) |
| 16:45 | <j-rod> | I found that comcast in northern MA finally started sending valid stream info across the wire in the past month or so |
| 16:46 | <j-rod> | my hdtv w/built-in tuner suddenly didn't have the hd channels in the craptastic range they were before, they were suddenly at 4-1, 5-1, 7-1, etc, and had station identifiers |
| 16:46 | <briand> | that's progress... |
| 16:46 | <j-rod> | still need to do a fresh scan, but I presume myth is gonna pick those up now too |
| 16:47 | <briand> | I finally got them to fix the switch with the wonky ports serving our neighborhood. I've been nearly two months without a service dropout. Used to happen several times per day, for (often) hours at a time. |
| 16:48 | <briand> | I can't possibly believe I was the only person complaining about internet service (and wouldn't digital subscribers be affected as well?) in this neighborhood for the past 2.5 years. anyway.. fixed now, it seems, so I'm happy. |
| 16:49 | <gbee> | briand: I honestly don't know what is and what isn't affected - only that none of my machines/cards are and I don't know any devs who are affected either |
| 16:49 | [~] | briand laments ...ooOO(oh, how I hate being the guinea pig...) |
| 16:50 | <stuarta> | daniel must have some idea of what's going wrong... |
| 16:50 | <briand> | i've been pretty good about keeping up with SVN, so I'll find out in fairly short order, I should imagine. |
| 16:50 | <gbee> | I've not been following the issue - all I know is that the claims most recently given aren't exactly accurate, seem more like an attempt to start an argument |
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| 16:51 | <briand> | gbee: you should read the stuff from the guy in the HDHR forum |
| 16:51 | |-| | Intel^ changed nick to Dibblah |
| 16:51 | <briand> | he claims that "the mythtv guys" wouldn't allow him to subscribe to the -dev list! |
| 16:52 | <briand> | "Dennis" is his nick, there. don't know that he's ever visited -users or this channel |
| 16:52 | <gbee> | briand: rubbish :) |
| 16:52 | <janneg> | briand: DVB as in DVB-SI seems not affected |
| 16:53 | <gbee> | but I'm not sure what gives these users the impression that they can use a development version and not encounter bugs |
| 16:53 | <briand> | well, then, clearly somebody needs to send me a gratis satellite card. I already have a dish. ;) |
| 16:53 | <janneg> | briand: have you tried enabling quick tuning? |
| 16:54 | <gbee> | or that when they find a bug, no matter how serious, that it should be fixed yesterday |
| 16:54 | <briand> | janneg: honestly, the HDHR *just* arrived while j-rod and I were waltzing down computer-memory lane a few minutes ago. |
| 16:54 | <janneg> | that's working for me too |
| 16:54 | <briand> | gbee: that's typical users, of any product. |
| 16:54 | <stuarta> | i get the feeling it's mainly us dvb that's affected |
| 16:54 | <briand> | janneg: so I haven't actually installed it, as yet. |
| 16:54 | <janneg> | briand: oh, I thought you were affected by that bug |
| 16:55 | <briand> | janneg: no, I was asking if I would be affected by it or not, since i'm on latest SVN |
| 16:55 | <janneg> | just missed it that. I'm still ill :( |
| 16:55 | <stuarta> | hmpf. just crashed the frontend. |
| 16:56 | <stuarta> | trying to use DecoderBase::GetFramesRead after it's been deleted. |
| 16:56 | <briand> | the popular reply in the HDHR forum seems to be to `svn -r 12618` and wait for the fix. I don't want to revert way back there... :) |
| 16:56 | <gbee> | briand: I know and for a paid product I can understand it a little easier, it's difficult to justify when they are getting mythtv free based on the work of unpaid volunteers |
| 16:56 | <gbee> | backtrace! |
| 16:56 | <janneg> | stuarta: plain head or modified? |
| 16:56 | <stuarta> | head as of this morning |
| 16:57 | <stuarta> | few patches, but not in the affected area... |
| 16:57 | [~] | briand holds off on his 'svn up' command... |
| 16:57 | <briand> | ;) |
| 16:57 | <gbee> | anyway, this argument is as old as the hills |
| 16:57 | <stuarta> | briand: no need. i was mistreating it :) |
| 16:57 | <briand> | ah. okay.. i gotta wait till 7:00 local to compile/install anyway |
| 16:58 | <stuarta> | playing how many recordings can i queue for transcoding and still navigate my recording list |
| 16:58 | <briand> | it's due to start recording in 2 minutes, so I'll wait for the next window and sneak the update in after commercial-flagging finishes at 7:05-ish |
| 16:58 | <gbee> | briand: well the answer to that is you are free to use a version after 12618 but don't complain if it doesn't work ;) |
| 16:59 | <briand> | gbee: yeah, but but but |
| 16:59 | <gbee> | hmm, maybe I should have tested that albumart stuff with more than two images |
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| 16:59 | <briand> | gbee: i need it fixed yesterday, because I know the developers by their irc nicks and first names! ;) |
| 17:00 | <gbee> | ;) |
| 17:03 | <stuarta> | http://www.pastebin.ca/395253 <- lemme know if you want more info |
| 17:03 | <janneg> | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Themes is slightly off |
| 17:03 | <stuarta> | i have the core file :) |
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| 17:06 | <briand> | hmm. this must be my banner day. the LCD module for my myth box just arrived |
| 17:06 | <briand> | I fully expect that the next time the doorbell rings, Publisher's Clearing House will be standing outside with a giant check... |
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| 17:07 | [~] | stuarta wonders if briand is dreaming |
| 17:07 | <briand> | stuarta: not about the HDHR and the LCD. Probably about the sweepstakes -- especially because I don't send in those things |
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| 17:09 | <j-rod> | I should get an external usb LCD thingy I can mount somewhere |
| 17:09 | <j-rod> | actually, first, I should buy the damn ram I need for my mini so it can replace my current frontend |
| 17:09 | <stuarta> | usb lcd thingy? as in a 2x40 display? |
| 17:10 | <briand> | j-rod: I _wanted_ a 2x20 VFD, but it wouldn't fit in the box. :( |
| 17:10 | <briand> | stuarta: mine is a 2x16 display, but yeah.. same idea |
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| 17:10 | <gbee> | ok - smallish bug with the GetAlbumArt method, it needs to cleanup the temp files after resizing |
| 17:10 | <j-rod> | stuarta: dunno exactly what, just something I could put somewhere in my entertainment center to show what's going on |
| 17:11 | <stuarta> | back in a bit. need to queue some more transcodes... |
| 17:11 | <j-rod> | http://www.crystalfontz.com/products/634xe/index.html |
| 17:11 | <j-rod> | that'd work |
| 17:11 | <briand> | yep. i just got the 632 version, otherwise the same thing |
| 17:12 | <briand> | if your system wouldn't be taxed by it, though, I'd recommend the VFD. *much* more readable from couch distance |
| 17:12 | <j-rod> | I know nothing about VFD vs. LCD |
| 17:13 | <j-rod> | what's taxing? |
| 17:13 | <briand> | and lcdproc will run it |
| 17:13 | <briand> | power, mostly. VFD takes a bit more amperage to run |
| 17:14 | <briand> | this is the one I wanted: http://www.nmediapc.com/support_280VFD.htm |
| 17:15 | <briand> | ..but it doesn't fit the HTPC 200BA case. :( |
| 17:15 | <j-rod> | I'd need an external one |
| 17:15 | <j-rod> | seems it'd exist tho, since its just usb |
| 17:16 | <briand> | they have a 5.25 slot cover for it.. should mount in an old external drive case with no problems |
| 17:16 | <j-rod> | suboptimal |
| 17:16 | <briand> | $65 from them, when I last inquired as to price... so not much more expensive than a comparable LCD |
| 17:16 | <j-rod> | that would be bigger than my frontend box itself |
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| 17:18 | <briand> | mine's a combined be/fe, all in one box.. but the box matches the rest of my home theater/audio equipment rack (well, except that all of *that* equipment does have VFD displays) |
| 17:19 | <gbee> | I wanted a double 3.5" bay mount similiar to this 5.25" one here - http://www.watercoolingshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=62&products_id=437 |
| 17:19 | <gbee> | couldn't find one though |
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| 17:21 | <stuarta> | i'm doing well tonight. now i've deadlocked the frontend and smashed the stack. |
| 17:22 | <j-rod> | current box matches the AV stack, but its a frontend only, takes up way more space than need be |
| 17:24 | <briand> | j-rod: I like the looks of that white/blue display.. wish they had that for the 632 series... |
| 17:24 | <jams> | crap the lcd arm I ordered is not height adjustable. |
| 17:24 | <briand> | maybe, down the road (certainly no sooner than may, since they're back-ordered) I'll get one of those and see about frankensteining the case a bit. (I have a dremel, and I know how to use it!) |
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| 17:29 | <j-rod> | oy, time to run away... |
| 17:29 | <j-rod> | off to swing wooden clubs |
| 17:31 | <briand> | good luck. :) |
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| 17:43 | <gbee> | I'm really starting to like the albumart visualizer, don't fancy the job of adding images for my entire mp3 collection however |
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| 18:04 | <briand> | gbee: a question on that... |
| 18:04 | <briand> | it randomly picks the album art to be displayed, right? there's no correlation with the music currently playing? |
| 18:04 | <stuarta> | dammit, never record seems to be broken for me... |
| 18:04 | <stuarta> | (via mythweb) |
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| 18:06 | <gbee> | briand: it randomly picks an image from the same directory as the track which is playing - so if you've got your collection organised into folders by album then there will be a correlation |
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| 18:06 | <kantlivelong> | hey |
| 18:07 | <briand> | gbee: ahh.. cool |
| 18:07 | <briand> | kantlivelong: before you say more (hi, by the way), please read the topic. |
| 18:07 | <kantlivelong> | did :) |
| 18:07 | <kantlivelong> | just saying hi thats all :) |
| 18:07 | <gbee> | hi |
| 18:07 | <briand> | 'k. 'scool |
| 18:08 | <kantlivelong> | hehe :) |
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| 18:10 | <stuarta> | he should've been called kantstaylong |
| 18:12 | <gbee> | lol |
| 18:12 | [~] | briand grins |
| 18:15 | <briand> | aha! and he *did* have a user support question, too! |
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| 18:18 | <gbee> | thinking about adding an option for an inactivity type timer for livetv -> return to main menu if no input after X hours, any support for that? |
| 18:25 | <stuarta> | we should be able to detect the reading socket has closed |
| 18:28 | <Chutt> | that's what it tries to do |
| 18:28 | <Chutt> | apparently it's either not working in some cases, or just broken |
| 18:37 | <briand> | that would satisfy missing/crashed FE with the BE still happily streaming LiveTV... but doesn't address the "user has fallen asleep and we shouldn't be wasting the processor power/disk space on this" issue |
| 18:39 | <stuarta> | the first is a bug, the 2nd is a "PEBKAC" |
| 18:39 | <briand> | heheh |
| 18:39 | <stuarta> | or perhaps PEBCATV |
| 18:39 | <briand> | or PEBRAMB |
| 18:39 | <briand> | "remote and myth box" |
| 18:40 | <stuarta> | hmmm |
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| 18:43 | <stuarta> | some people should just use a STB |
| 18:43 | <briand> | anyway.. i see gbee's comment as a "solution" to the 2nd situation. I should hope the 1st situation would cause the BE to stop recording LiveTV within a minute or two of a "missing" FE |
| 18:44 | <stuarta> | isn't that what the live tv chain stuff is supposed to do? |
| 18:44 | <stuarta> | change to a new live tv recording on a show boundary |
| 18:45 | <briand> | perhaps let it wait a bit to see if a FE reconnects, then rejoin them to the current LiveTV stream if so... else if the FE doesn't come back within 'x' minutes, stop the LiveTV stream to disk |
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| 18:45 | <stuarta> | (as defined by the guide data) |
| 18:45 | <stuarta> | ah, yes that would work.... |
| 18:45 | <stuarta> | first though, we need to sort out why it doesn't detect that condition... |
| 18:45 | <briand> | as you said, there's two distinct issues here, with two different solutions |
| 18:46 | <briand> | gbee is (I'm assuming) looking at addressing the "inattentive user" situation. |
| 18:46 | <briand> | the "missing FE" situation should already be gracefully handled (but, from reports, apparently isn't) |
| 18:46 | <gbee> | actually the backend recording livetv without a connected frontend wasn't the motivation behind it |
| 18:46 | <gbee> | heh, yep |
| 18:47 | <briand> | agree, gbee.. what you propose is what some folks have asked for... |
| 18:47 | <briand> | what stuarta mentioned is probably what should already be in place for the LiveTV chain |
| 18:48 | <gbee> | I've got a mythtv box setup for my parents, but they never remember to exit from livetv and aside from the waste of their power, it just bothers me :) |
| 18:48 | <briand> | but apparently a few folks have been bitten with a 'crashed FE', and the BE is still occupying a tuner (and disk space) with the LiveTV stream |
| 18:48 | <stuarta> | maybe an osd popup, kinda like the "a recording is about to start" |
| 18:48 | <briand> | `service mythbackend restart` would stop that LiveTV stream, but you don't want to do that if the -other- tuners are still busy recording something |
| 18:49 | <gbee> | briand: I've seen that one a few times, but the change I had in mind would be on the frontend, not the backend so would be of little use in that scenario |
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| 18:49 | <briand> | stuarta: for gbee's idea, you mean? yeah, I could see that "Your LiveTV session is about to expire due to inactivity" |
| 18:49 | <briand> | gbee: exactly. :) |
| 18:50 | <stuarta> | "you've been watching the same channel for 6hrs! are you stupid?" |
| 18:50 | <briand> | and then, maybe, if they pause/play from the remote that would satisfy the inactivity timer and reset it to its user-defined start value |
| 18:50 | <gbee> | stuarta: that's what I had in mind - after say 3 hours without input, pop up a dialogue warning the user and after 30 seconds drop back to the main menu |
| 18:50 | <briand> | stuarta: hahaha! |
| 18:51 | <stuarta> | it would have to be long enough to account for some of the epic movies/superbowls |
| 18:51 | <briand> | stuarta: perhaps with a bit of AI involved. make it 6 minutes if it's a soap opera or shopping channel |
| 18:51 | <briand> | why not make it user-defined with a 'median' default value (if option is checked 'on' to begin with) |
| 18:51 | <gbee> | in the case of my parents, they will have changed channel, pressed pause or at least hit mute at least once every 90 minutes |
| 18:52 | <briand> | gbee: probably true with most folks, I should think |
| 18:52 | <briand> | or at least pull up the guide to see what else is playing on other channels, etc |
| 18:52 | <gbee> | yeah - some form of activity at least |
| 18:53 | <stuarta> | yeah, any activity resets the timeout i'd say... |
| 18:54 | <briand> | and, even with the superbowl, for instance... I should imagine you'd have hit pause or rewind at least ONCE in that 3.5~4.5 hour time period... so maybe 3 hrs is a good 'default' for those that enable the option |
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| 19:04 | <gbee> | I'll put something together then, I would have done it just for the sake of my parents, but it's worth knowing that there are no objections |
| 19:04 | <briand> | I really need to get to work building up my billboard chart tables, and link it to music_songs -- then I can make some "REALLY smart playlists" (give me a random selection of songs in the Top 40 that were in position 22 or higher between April 1973 and November 1975) |
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| 19:09 | <Chutt> | gbee, i'm not in favor of a timeout. |
| 19:10 | <Chutt> | i prefer to fix the bug, not work around it :p |
| 19:10 | <briand> | Chutt: i think there's two issues... one bug, one feature |
| 19:10 | <stuarta> | there's the bug, and there's the user who walks away leaving livetv running |
| 19:10 | <Chutt> | what's wrong with leaving live-tv running? |
| 19:11 | <briand> | fills up disk space, at least temporarily |
| 19:11 | <stuarta> | that's what a STB is for. |
| 19:11 | <Chutt> | why would it do that? |
| 19:11 | <Chutt> | and, why would it matter, if it did? |
| 19:12 | <briand> | for me, it wouldn't... I could probably leave LiveTV on here for days without autoexpiring to reclaim disk, without a problem |
| 19:12 | <briand> | but it asthetically bothers some folks (like gbee, with his parents) to run it "for no reason" |
| 19:12 | <gbee> | Chutt: my main reason is power use, and also I just dislike the idea of it running when no-one is there to see it |
| 19:12 | <Chutt> | you going to turn off the tv, too? |
| 19:13 | <Chutt> | that'll be using a bit more power than live-tv mode vs sitting at a menu |
| 19:13 | <gbee> | my Dad is a stroke victim, I can't explain to him that he needs to exit livetv before turning off the tv - he just can't remember it |
| 19:14 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 19:14 | <Chutt> | well, i still don't see the need for yet more settings bloat |
| 19:14 | <briand> | and it'd be an option anyway, right? [off] or [on + timeout value] |
| 19:16 | <gbee> | well I can keep it as a local mod, which is what I had first intended, just thought there might be something which others would be interested in |
| 19:17 | <gbee> | anyway, I'm off to sleep |
| 19:17 | <Honk> | i wonder if anyone'd accept my no-mmap patch for alsa =) |
| 19:39 | <briand> | gbee: just from the tone of the msg on 3031, I'd be willing to bet that *is* the guy (Dennis) from the HDHR forum that's been on that tack for a couple weeks. |
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| 21:25 | <reaspired> | why is it when I close down mythfrontend that I still hear audio, ubuntu.. |
| 21:25 | <reaspired> | I go into alsamixer and I have linein as record |
| 21:26 | <reaspired> | yes I have a old bt card |
| 21:31 | <kormoc> | reaspired, wrong channel, and your issue is covered in the docs under setting up audio |
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| 22:29 | [~] | briand sighs. |
| 22:30 | <briand> | well, I did (again!) try to send him on a proper path... looks like we'll be getting spammed with his nonsense for a while, anyway. |
| 22:32 | <kormoc> | Xi guy? |
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| 22:38 | <briand> | yes |
| 22:38 | <briand> | he was spamming the mythtvtalk forums for quite some time. |
| 22:38 | <briand> | "Hi. I wish to build mythtv plugin" what does "#include <stdio.h>" mean? |
| 22:38 | <briand> | shit like that. |
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| 22:39 | <briand> | and, every time it's pointed out to him, he responds with "thank you kindly for your advice. I think I will continue, anyway" |
| 22:40 | [~] | briand sighs.. and the netsplit took that off to the ether.. ah well. |
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| 22:45 | <briand> | welcome back. :) |
| 22:45 | <briand> | yes |
| 22:45 | <briand> | he was spamming the mythtvtalk forums for quite some time. |
| 22:45 | <briand> | "Hi. I wish to build mythtv plugin" what does "#include <stdio.h>" mean? |
| 22:45 | <briand> | shit like that. |
| 22:45 | <briand> | and, every time it's pointed out to him, he responds with "thank you kindly for your advice. I think I will continue, anyway" |
| 22:47 | <Captain_Murdoch> | at least he picked the mythhello plugin and not something larger like mythmusic and then ask us to explain what lines 1-15000 mean. ;) |
| 22:47 | <briand> | that's like going on some NASCAR engineering forum and saying "I wish to improve on the engineering of these fantastic race cars, and build winning vehicles for next year's NASCAR series. Can somebody explain what a 'throttle' is? How is it used?" |
| 22:47 | <briand> | Captain_Murdoch: true enough. |
| 22:48 | <briand> | his problem, over on mythtvtalk was that he had installed the mythhello stuff and -only- the mythtv-libs package from some repository, and the `make` was failing because he was missing all sorts of dev libraries. :/ |
| 22:49 | <Captain_Murdoch> | :) wonder who told him about make? |
| 22:49 | <briand> | I think it's on the wiki page about mythhello |
| 22:49 | <briand> | in any case, he didn't even have a myth system in which to test the plugin, had he been able to build it |
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| 22:51 | <briand> | anyhow.. I'm off to bed... early day tomorrow. g'nite all |
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