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11:27<Chutt>thoughts on moving the more complicated/less used config settings into a web interface, generated by the backend/frontend?
11:28<xris>Chutt: I'd *love* something like that.. could make passthrough to mythweb much easier.
11:29<Chutt>well, all of them would have to be available, just make a bunch of settings not available through the ui
11:29<Chutt>i just hate changing settings :p
11:29<Chutt>it's too cumbersome, too many settings, etc
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11:32<xris>I agree
11:32<xris>been a fan of using mythweb for that for a long time.
11:32<xris>I've even occasionally wondered how much work it'd be to get mythweb itself integrated into the backend, but the thought of doing a web app in c++ scares me.
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11:32<Chutt>yeah, i'd just want simple stuff in there generated by the backend
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11:34<xris>hadn't we once thought about the idea of using something like xml for that? backend outputs a format that could be read by other apps (e.g. both mythweb and mythtv-setup)
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11:35<Chutt>it gets tricky.
11:36<xris>heh. could always just embed php into the backend, too. (just kidding)
11:38<xris>anyway, I'm happy to help with that stuff. It'd be a nice way for me to actually refamiliarize myself with C++
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11:43<xris>Chutt: are there currently generic access methods in the code for settings?
11:44<Chutt>they just wrap the qt settings, though
11:44<Chutt>the code that defines the settings is very simple
11:45<Chutt>well, for most of it, some of it gets a little complicated when some settings depend on others
11:45<Chutt>but i imagine it could be translated to emit html easily enough.
11:46<xris>it's annoying to have to avoid port 80, but that shouldn't be too much of an issue
11:50<jams>would the webpage be hosted in one central location? in others words you wouldn't have to lookup/remember the name or ip of each frontend
11:50<Chutt>i was thinking it'd be per-frontend
11:50<Chutt>but mythweb could consolidate them all
11:51<xris>ah. frontend settings.
11:52<xris>there are a lot of global settings, though.. recording profiles, etc.
11:52<jams>maybe even a small html page on the backend that would direct you to each frontend's webpage
11:53<xris>jams: yeah
11:53<okolsi>xris: thought not to make a patch.. but the authentication rule section (LocationMatch) in mythweb.conf.apache should now be updated.. since the streaming URL has changed
11:54<xris>okolsi: you are correct.
11:54<xris>at least submit a ticket. it's my birthday tomorrow, I'm likely to forget among the festivities.
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11:55<okolsi>I personally didn't get it working where it now is.. I had to move those LocationMatches upwards.. right BEFORE the Directory directive that states where mythweb is located
11:55<stuarta>making configuration simpler could almost qualify as a Soc project...
11:55<stuarta>that plus easy configuration of remote controls
11:56<okolsi>xris: okay
11:56<xris>stuarta: deadline closed
11:56<xris>and I think it WAS a project last year
11:57<jams>sure was, it even had some progress
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11:58<okolsi>xris: may I mark it as a task? :)
11:58<xris>or bug
11:58<xris>since it's sort of a bug
12:01<stuarta>xris: was more thinking out loud
12:01<Chutt>sarcastically thinking out loud? =)
12:02<stuarta>nah, just generically thinking out loud
12:02<stuarta>it's an area that could use huge improvement
12:02<Chutt>there were 2 related SoC projects last year
12:02<stuarta>but me, like most of us are suffering ENOTIME
12:02<Chutt>one got somewhere, the other didn't have a line of code written
12:02<gbee>I'd more favour the approach used by some Set Top Boxes - the 'hidden' engineer menu, stick all the lesser used or obscure settings in there
12:03<stuarta>mythtv-setup --mode guru
12:03<Chutt>gbee, see, i'm also trying to get rid of Qt code =)
12:03<xris>ok, time for me to head to work.
12:03<stuarta>hell, i'd also like to sit down and write a txt/curses based setup
12:04<stuarta>to facilitate no-X backends
12:04<Chutt>i'd prefer a built-in webserver to a text based setup
12:05<stuarta>hmm, could work. spose could use lynx in the use case i was thinking of.
12:06<stuarta>more forward thinking than a text based interface anyway :)
12:06<gbee>Chutt: as long as there are settings you'll have code to deal with them, if it's a question of removing repetition of QT code (say to make QT version changes easier) then what about wrapping all of the QT stuff?
12:06<gbee>not that I'm really against the idea of doing it through a webbased interface
12:07<xris>I'd much rather have web-based than frontend-based settings.
12:07<xris>can fit a lot more stuff on the page, etc.
12:07<Chutt>gbee, for the more complicated, less used stuff. might simplify the more complex Qt usage
12:08<gbee>guess it would just be easier if I didn't have to take my laptop to the frontend/backend if I want to change/test new settings
12:08[~]jams envisions lots of users running back and forth between rooms
12:08<Chutt>could just use mythbrowser :p
12:09<gbee>xris: could do both if the wrappers around the QT stuff we written
12:09<xris>Chutt: what about a mythconfdaemon or something that could determine if a frontend/backend was running, and display the appropriate settings?
12:09<xris>it could link to other instances of itself to and display info for all frontends/etc
12:10<xris>that way you don't have to go to one port for the backend, and one for the frontend, etc.
12:10<xris>anyway, I need to head to work. 11 AM meeting with HR.
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12:16<gbee>when going through the playback settings at the weekend, I was suprised to see a page (or two) related to ATSC settings - shouldn't really be shown config options for something which doesn't apply to the users setup :(
12:19[~]stuarta suggests the KISS principle
12:23<gbee>aye, at least for the first time/basic user
12:27<gbee>some little things, like grouping settings into profiles would help - we've got a pages for preferred date strings, preffered languages for example which could be reduced down to a single "country" setting and giving them the defaults for that locale
12:27<stuarta>anyway, i'll have to continue this discussion at another time, i have a dinner party to attend
12:28<gbee>stuarta: have a nice time ;)
12:28<stuarta>by dinner party, i mean mates over for dinner :) should be fun
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12:28[~]gbee will be spending the evening alone with TV and beer
12:32<CDev>Chutt: My forthcomming changes to MythFrontend for autodiscovery will make it so that the frontend has the same http server embedded in it. (It's needed for the upnp stack).
12:32<CDev>Not sure if it can be used for the configuration pages you were talking about/
12:33<CDev>either way, it would be a simple task to create an http extension that handles all the page generation needed, simular to the way httpstatus.cpp does it now.
12:33<Chutt>should be, i think
12:34<Chutt>that's why i was thinkin of it
12:34<MoRpHeUz>as we are talking about frontends, anybody have ever seen a fronted that was coded using evas ?
12:34<Chutt>why would you use evas?
12:35<Chutt>can just use ogl directly.
12:35<MoRpHeUz>had a lot of talk to Rasterman this weekend..
12:36<Chutt>oh, you mean his little dvd player demo?
12:36<MoRpHeUz>and he explained to some friends advantages of using evas
12:36<MoRpHeUz>he showed some nice stuff made in evas..
12:37<MoRpHeUz>it looks beautiful anyway, but I don't know it in deep to say something...
12:37<MoRpHeUz>that's why I asked =)
12:37<MoRpHeUz>he also showed this player you mentioned..
12:37<Chutt>raster's an artist, but he's not a terribly good coder.
12:37<Chutt>that's why his stuff always _looks_ nice, but doesn't actually work terribly well =)
12:38<MoRpHeUz>one thing that was good was the preview of videos..
12:38<MoRpHeUz>the preview is showed in the thumbnail of the video..
12:39<Chutt>that's not terribly hard to do, ie, how myth does it in the playback selection screen
12:40<MoRpHeUz>ok! just to know if you guys had a look at it! =)
12:40<MoRpHeUz>thanks! =P
12:42<mikegrb>Chutt: my first born son (that I named after you (hunter isaac)) is two now ->
12:43<Chutt>heh, fun
12:43<kvandivo>a real fan would have named their kid chutt isaac
12:44<gardengnome>why not just "mythtv"? :)
12:44<kvandivo>that's his nickname
12:44<mikegrb>kvandivo: you know heidi, I was doing good to get the middle name in there
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13:59<jams>MoRpHeUz are you talking about rage?
13:59<jams>oops, would help if he was here
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16:25<briand>CDev ?
16:27<briand>i think there's something in the upnp stack that disagrees with my hardware or configuration (or both!) here. haven't had time to truly troubleshoot it...
16:28<gardengnome>i saw someone complaing about the upnp binding to the wrong interface. the backend was set to use the internal IP but the upnp broadcasts were sent to the internet. is this a known issue?
16:28<briand>...but, starting mythbackend without the --noupnp flag still causes it to (eventually) peg the cpu at 99.9% usage and lock up the machine (similar, I guess, to the 'xbox issue' previously resolved)
16:28<briand>(fwiw: no xbox or other upnp device(s) on this network).
16:29<briand>I'll try to narrow it down further this weekend, if time allows. So far, it looks like it happens right after mythfilldatabase completes
16:29<GreyFoxx>windows is also aupnp device
16:29<GreyFoxx>so even windows interacts with the upnp server
16:30<briand>ah. is it? is my solitary WinXP machine causing issues, you think?
16:30<GreyFoxx>well yes it is a upnp client
16:30<GreyFoxx>no I don't know that it's the cause
16:30<briand>back when you told me about the --noupnp flag, i was having this same issue...
16:30<briand>cleared up when using that flag
16:30<GreyFoxx>I gotta run, so I can't really investigate :)
16:31<briand>likewise.. but will play with it and try to get a repeatable scenario
16:31<briand>i *think* it has something to do with mfdb finishing up (but not just a standard 'reschedule', either).
16:32<briand>if memory serves, that's when the mythbackend borked before, as well...
16:32<briand>anyway.. just wanted to get that out there. like I said, I'll investigate it a bit this weekend, as time allows.
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16:47<milan>hi is it possible to get mythtv in a smaller windows
16:47<milan>so not full screen
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16:54<eulin>hi all
16:55<eulin>somethings know why I am trying to use nuvexport I have the following message "Mythtransocde died early"
16:55<eulin>I have try with "debug" mode but I haven't important report
16:57<gbee>eulin: what version of QT are you using?
16:57<eulin>gbee, the default in edgy repo now I check the precious version
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16:58<eulin>gbee, 3.3.6
16:59<gbee>eulin: ok, I was asking because there is a bug in 3.3.8 which causes mythtranscode to crash
16:59<gbee>that obviously isn't your problem :(
17:00<eulin>gbee, is ita bug?
17:00<gbee>eulin: I don't know, you'd need to see why mythtranscode is failing
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