| --- | Log | opened Fri Nov 09 00:00:56 2007 |
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| 01:54 | <BenB> | gbee: emusic has or is working on a shop application based on xulrunner. |
| 01:55 | <BenB> | gbee: so, I assume there's a proper API to the store. just look at the code of the app (assuming it has already been published). |
| 01:55 | <BenB> | I can get you in contact with devs. |
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| 04:12 | <gbee> | BenB: don't have time right now to work on something like that, but I've filed it under possible future projects |
| 04:14 | <BenB> | gbee: yeah. I personally think it's way over the top to have something like that on the TV, it's fine to do that on the PC |
| 04:14 | <gbee> | aye |
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| 05:31 | <gbee> | would someone mind commenting on this one line patch - http://pastebin.ca/766969 |
| 05:32 | <gbee> | I'm not 100% certain that erasing the area is the right approach, the intent is to remove the preview pixmap before we start drawing the video since they may be different sizes |
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| 06:02 | <gbee> | probably talking to myself, but has anyone seen strange things happen with the preview images on a setup with frontends of different resolutions? |
| 06:02 | <justinh> | strange things? |
| 06:03 | <justinh> | I've heard reports of various themes displaying garbled previews (like diagonal lines) which weren't present on my themes |
| 06:04 | <justinh> | guessed it might be some kind of 'can't divide by 8' scaling problem |
| 06:05 | <gbee> | nevermind, I was jumping to conclusions about the code but I was wrong |
| 06:06 | <justinh> | I think it's a combination of xv, drivers & the actual size of the preview window |
| 06:07 | <justinh> | I've actually seen it once on my minimyth FE, but switching to the theme I wanted to use anyway fixed it |
| 06:07 | <gbee> | just making changes to allow the preview pixmap to fill whatever dimensions you give the video container (maintaining aspect ratio though) |
| 06:07 | <justinh> | didn't it already do that? |
| 06:07 | <gbee> | at the moment, the video fills the space but the preview image is fixed at 160x120 |
| 06:08 | <justinh> | not that I've ever measured it to check |
| 06:08 | <justinh> | ahh |
| 06:08 | <gbee> | if you enable video previews on blt-w for example, the video is at least 1/3 larger when it appears than the pixmap |
| 06:10 | <justinh> | I just about fixed the live tv guide in glass-wide yesterday. the telnet interface came in handy :) |
| 06:16 | <gbee> | used the frame idea that I used for the visualiser in mythmusic for the preview - http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/theme_fullscreen50.png |
| 06:17 | <gbee> | by the time I'm finished, this theme will have resulted in a dozen commits to make it work like I wanted it to |
| 06:18 | <rooaus> | gbee: wtf? Ah, did you commit the frame stuff? Nice. |
| 06:18 | <justinh> | I was thinking "how the heck did he fit so much info onscreen", but then the fonts are way smaller than what I've used |
| 06:18 | <gbee> | it's all good stuff, the preview vertical centre stuff has bothered me for a while anyway |
| 06:19 | <gbee> | justinh: still works on my TV (with my eyesight), but yeah, you'd get fewer lines if you increase the font size |
| 06:20 | <gbee> | just fixed another issue which had bothered me, the preview image being visible around the edges of the preview video |
| 06:20 | <justinh> | I can live with fewer lines. if the bones of the description aren't in the 1st 3 lines, it's junk anyway IMHO |
| 06:21 | <justinh> | I can see the emails now "why are you wasting so much space on the description?" and "can you reduce the show list area & fill half the screen with the description?" |
| 06:21 | <gbee> | heh, I like the long descriptions |
| 06:22 | <gbee> | justinh: /dev/null |
| 06:23 | <justinh> | and "it's great, but if you move the XYZ image 2 pixels left/up/down/right..." |
| 06:23 | <justinh> | ;) |
| 06:24 | <gbee> | * ^Subject: .*theme.* |
| 06:24 | <gbee> | /dev/null |
| 06:25 | <gbee> | there we go, procmail rule already in place ;) |
| 06:25 | <justinh> | heheheh. now I'm using thunderbird instead of the $deity awful gmail, I think I'll set up a filter before Monday |
| 06:26 | <gbee> | just need to stick in a high priority rule ... * ^.*money.* |
| 06:28 | <gbee> | "you'll pay me to butcher my theme? ... Will this vomit inducing pink and cute character animation be ok sir?" |
| 06:30 | <gbee> | "I'll add background music to the menus for an extra £5!" |
| 06:30 | <justinh> | heh |
| 06:31 | [~] | justinh wonders what glass-wide would look like with a background of lift muzak |
| 06:31 | <gbee> | and a background image of a lift ... |
| 06:33 | <justinh> | like I've already said, the user can go hang themselves with whatever background image they want |
| 06:34 | <justinh> | if it's too bright for the text to stand out, it's their fault not mine |
| 06:37 | <laga_> | + |
| 06:37 | <laga_> | oops |
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| 08:38 | <Tronic> | A bug: scanning DVB transport freq=240000000 sr=7146000 fec=none modulation=qam_64 tuned the transport correctly and detected the channels on it, but stored the transport incorrectly in the database: http://rafb.net/p/5L077M97.html |
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| 08:39 | <justinh> | don't bugs get posted on trac as tickets? ;) |
| 08:39 | <Tronic> | MythTV was unable to get a lock before I fixed the missing data by hand. |
| 08:39 | <Tronic> | Well, that part is up to you, I guess. |
| 08:39 | <Tronic> | I don't have an account, so unless you accept anonymous submissions... |
| 08:40 | <justinh> | that part is up to _you_ actually |
| 08:40 | <DaveMorris> | Tronic: you don't need an account |
| 08:40 | <Tronic> | Ah, then... |
| 08:40 | <DaveMorris> | /home/dave/checkouts/opensg/opensg/opensg-hardy/dave-ficked/debian |
| 08:40 | <DaveMorris> | whoops |
| 08:40 | <DaveMorris> | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/newticket |
| 08:40 | <justinh> | it helps to register an email address with trac though |
| 08:43 | <mick_work> | justinh: i think it was you who did a few mythtv themes, or? |
| 08:43 | <mick_work> | i have a question regarding licensing and themes (thought you might be able to help) |
| 08:44 | <justinh> | fire away |
| 08:45 | <justinh> | maybe in a msg though - probably a bit OT for here |
| 08:51 | <justinh> | hint: you need to be registered for that to work |
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| 08:54 | <Tronic> | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4154 |
| 09:02 | <justinh> | mick_work: are you going to ask or what? |
| 09:06 | <clever> | justinh: if you set a certain mode on yourself(+6 i think) unreg's can msg you(but they can also spam you) |
| 09:06 | <clever> | i think you need to set it thru nickserv |
| 09:06 | <justinh> | I'm not enabling that for all the tea in china |
| 09:07 | <clever> | lol |
| 09:07 | <clever> | if you do get spamaged you can allways shut it back off |
| 09:07 | <justinh> | get bugged enough by msgs as it is |
| 09:07 | <clever> | lol |
| 09:08 | <clever> | i recently made a change to my highlight |
| 09:08 | <clever> | instead of making the smae old beep from the speakers |
| 09:08 | <clever> | it makes a 15khz beep from the pc speaker(in the case) |
| 09:08 | <clever> | which can bearly be heard |
| 09:08 | <mick_work> | justinh: sorry - i was pulled from my desk |
| 09:08 | <clever> | but dad probly wont complain about it as much |
| 09:09 | <clever> | its probly into the range that adults have trouble hearing |
| 09:09 | <mick_work> | justinh: how do you deal with using outside images for a theme |
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| 09:09 | <mick_work> | i came across a problem where a designer did a theme for me (i'm doing a presentation on MythTV at my local linux user group) and i wanted to submit it upstream -- until i found out that she used a stock photo |
| 09:09 | <justinh> | mick_work: I always ask for permission, whether the displayed licence terms say or not |
| 09:10 | <mzb_d800> | clever: ageism! :) |
| 09:10 | <mick_work> | under a restrictive license |
| 09:10 | <justinh> | mick_work: well, that's their look-out |
| 09:10 | <justinh> | my next release of a theme contains no images that conflict with my licence |
| 09:10 | <mick_work> | so what is a "compatible license" for content in a theme? |
| 09:10 | <clever> | mzb_d800: what? |
| 09:11 | <mzb_d800> | adults? |
| 09:11 | <justinh> | mick_work: whatever you want but it has to be compatible with the terms of the licences of any images used too |
| 09:11 | <clever> | once your over about 30 you begin to loose the ability to hear certain high freq sounds |
| 09:11 | <mick_work> | is a creative commons license GPL compatible (and does it even need to be gpl?) |
| 09:11 | <justinh> | CC isn't GPL compatible |
| 09:11 | <justinh> | and no, it doesn't have to be GPL |
| 09:11 | <clever> | some stores use a high freq sound to anoy and drive away teenages that hang arround outside the store and cause trouble |
| 09:12 | <clever> | some students use it as a ring tone on there phone that teachers in school cant hear |
| 09:12 | <justinh> | I've been trying to find a licence that allows me to forbid redistribution.. so far no dice :( |
| 09:12 | <mzb_d800> | clever: I can hear a TV out of tune, and during a hearing test I can hear the computer turning the tones on|off ... (I like to think I'm an adult;P) |
| 09:12 | <mick_work> | justinh: look at a stock photo license :) |
| 09:12 | <clever> | lol |
| 09:12 | <clever> | yeah but most might not be as good at hearing as you |
| 09:12 | <justinh> | mick_work: I know how restrictive they can be, which is why I've always been picky about the ones I've used |
| 09:13 | <mick_work> | this is why i usually do my own work (graphics and photography) |
| 09:14 | <mick_work> | justinh: have any recommendations? |
| 09:14 | <mick_work> | feel free to /msg if it is entirely too OT |
| 09:14 | <justinh> | from what I've seen of skins from the likes of Media portal, nobody seems overly bothered by licence issues ;) |
| 09:14 | <justinh> | like winamp skins.. Copyright? wassatr?! |
| 09:15 | <clever> | mzb_d800: have you seen the 'beep' program? |
| 09:15 | <mzb_d800> | clever: yeah, I've been trained from a young age ... got some friends that call me "dog-boy" coz I can hear a mobile phone ringing when it's in a bag in a room on the other side of a house, when I'm outside ;) |
| 09:15 | <clever> | lol |
| 09:16 | <mzb_d800> | yeah, I vaguely remember it (my memory isn't as good as my hearing any more;) |
| 09:16 | <clever> | it can control the speaker connected to the motherboard(in the case) |
| 09:16 | <mzb_d800> | yep |
| 09:16 | <clever> | and it can output a tone from 1hz to 20khz at any lenght/delay |
| 09:16 | <gbee> | OT guys |
| 09:16 | <clever> | using that and a modified ir blaster script i got it to beep out the channel when it changed |
| 09:17 | <clever> | (mythtv related:P) |
| 09:17 | <clever> | changing to channel 45 in myth would give off 4 beeps then 5 beeps |
| 09:17 | <laga_> | um, why? |
| 09:17 | <clever> | because im bored:P |
| 09:18 | <gbee> | it's not that you are interrupting a development related discussion, just that anyone like me, who tries to read the logs for important stuff has to wade through the OT discussions |
| 09:18 | <clever> | probly also makes the logs oversized(i got 6gig of TXT logs here atleast) |
| 09:18 | <mzb_d800> | clever: I'm way past beeps now ... I've got speech output instead |
| 09:18 | [~] | clever trys to resist the urge to keep talking ot |
| 09:19 | <clever> | i have that on in certain irc channels but my speakers are off atm(to test the new highlight) |
| 09:20 | <clever> | has anybody else noticed a problem with frame grabbers and r14800? |
| 09:21 | <clever> | my bitrate has doubled there(causing twice the disk space usage) |
| 09:21 | <mzb_d800> | http://users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/temp/so_big.ogg |
| 09:21 | <mzb_d800> | http://users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/temp/bigger_than.ogg |
| 09:22 | <mzb_d800> | cepestral voices (the free ones) with a script that removes the "this voice is unregistered" ... and caches phrases for speed |
| 09:22 | <clever> | lol |
| 09:22 | <mzb_d800> | s/unregistered/unlicensed |
| 09:22 | <clever> | im using the microsoft agent within winblows |
| 09:22 | <mzb_d800> | each machine+user on the network can have a different "default" voice |
| 09:23 | <clever> | ive got a seemlingly fully free text2wav prog on my laptop though |
| 09:23 | <mzb_d800> | and user simply executes: $ say "Hello $USER. I'm ready for you to push my buttons and click my mouse." |
| 09:23 | <clever> | lol |
| 09:23 | <laga_> | OT? :) |
| 09:24 | <mzb_d800> | yep |
| 09:24 | <clever> | text2wave takes in text and outputs raw wav |
| 09:24 | <clever> | http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/manual/ if you want more info |
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| 10:10 | <justinh> | heh I just can't stop fiddling. got some more div lines on my watch recordings screen. horizontal ones this time |
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| 12:07 | <gbee> | think I'm making a mess of this, can anyone see a problem with the scaling change in [14823] and [14824]? |
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| 13:17 | <MrGandalf> | In analyzing a core dump with gdb, does anyone know how to tie threads together to figure out what called a given thread? |
| 13:18 | <dr_lulz> | tie together? |
| 13:19 | <dr_lulz> | you can switch between threads via the "thread command" (list via "info threads"), then work on them individually |
| 13:19 | <MrGandalf> | a bt shows me all the threads. When I look at the culpret thread, I have no idea what it was doing at the time. I was hopeing to figure out what other thread called it. |
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| 13:50 | <Chutt> | xris, hey, uh, how does one deal with spam on the sd boards? |
| 13:51 | <xris> | forums? we move stuff to the "archive" forum |
| 13:51 | <Chutt> | 2nd post in the 'approved apps' forum |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | how do i move it? |
| 13:52 | <Snow-Man> | How about spam from the f'ing wiki registration page |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | Snow-Man, that just goes to you :p |
| 13:52 | <Snow-Man> | ---Mutt: =mythtv.wiki.spam [Msgs:3001 New:1252 Old:1339 11M] |
| 13:52 | <Snow-Man> | heh. |
| 13:55 | <Chutt> | yeah, i can't figure out how to move a post in the forum |
| 13:55 | <Chutt> | i'm a newb |
| 13:56 | <laga_> | ask in the users channel? |
| 13:56 | <laga_> | :) |
| 13:58 | <mikegrb> | hahahahaha, good one laga_ |
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| 14:03 | <xris> | Chutt: I don't know much about the forum stuff, either. |
| 14:03 | <xris> | might have to do it from the admin pannel |
| 14:03 | <gbee> | Chutt: on the right hand side, above the thread and opposite the thread title is a link "[ Moderator Control Panel ]" |
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| 14:04 | <gbee> | or at least it's there on the default theme |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | yeah, even on the moderator control panel |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | i'm not seeing a 'move post' |
| 14:05 | <xris> | Chutt: I just used the "delete this post" button |
| 14:05 | <xris> | maybe you don't have admin privs. hang on |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | oh, ok =) |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | i do |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | i could've deleted it, but wasn't sure |
| 14:07 | <xris> | apparently that just moves it to "archive" |
| 14:07 | <xris> | I also went in and changed that user password to something random |
| 14:07 | <gbee> | you're right, can't find the option to move a post/thread either - was a lot simpler with the old version of phpbb |
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| 14:09 | <gbee> | ahh, found the option to move a whole thread |
| 14:09 | <clever> | has anybody else noticed a problem with frame grabbers and r14800? |
| 14:09 | <clever> | my bitrate has doubled there(causing twice the disk space usage) |
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| 15:38 | <stuarta> | wtf does the backend have 29 open fd's on /dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0 |
| 15:38 | <stuarta> | admittedly it's recording, but there shouldn't be that many pids it needs to track |
| 15:42 | <capt-rogers> | anyone try the mythubuntu..how is it? |
| 15:43 | <laga_> | capt-rogers: #mythtv-users #ubuntu-mythtv |
| 15:44 | <laga_> | i have tried it and i like it but i'm probably biased |
| 15:49 | <GreyFoxx> | Maybe a little biased heh |
| 15:50 | <gbee> | ;) |
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| 17:12 | <gbee> | heh, RAF have just released a picture of a Pilot wearing the new helment for use with the Joint Strike Fighter - http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44229000/jpg/_44229147_helmet_pa300b.jpg |
| 17:13 | [~] | stuarta roflmao |
| 17:16 | <justinh> | topic! ;) |
| 17:16 | <justinh> | and rofl |
| 17:17 | <justinh> | looks more convincing than a Dr. Who enemy, fer sure |
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| 17:37 | <gbee> | must have heard you justinh |
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| 17:37 | <justinh> | heheh |
| 17:38 | <justinh> | arghgh I hate taking screenshots |
| 17:38 | <justinh> | been busy tonight, tidied up my site a tad |
| 17:46 | [~] | stuarta decides to write another article on LVS |
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| 18:17 | <RageMax> | anyone know a good box that distributes component audio/video/IR from multiple HD tuners? |
| 18:18 | <laga_> | #mythtv-users knows how to do that. probably. |
| 18:22 | <justinh> | well, have a nice weekend all, I'm off |
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| 18:49 | <gbee> | theming has to be a lot more fun when you don't have to conform to the limitations of the code, because instead you just change the code :) |
| 18:52 | <gbee> | btw, might be a known issue, but when two containers overlap you can get into a nasty paintEvent loop, well at least in statusbox.cpp, but the code there looks pretty similar to the stuff used in playbackbox.cpp so chances are it's a global problem |
| 19:16 | <rooaus> | gbee: Theming from the inside out :) |
| 19:30 | <stuarta> | from what i've seen it needs a good theming from the inside out. |
| 19:34 | <gbee> | I've barely even scratched the surface, if I had the time I'd being making much bigger changes |
| 19:38 | <gbee> | I was quite serious when I suggested in an email to the list that more devs should try creating a theme |
| 19:58 | <Chutt> | gbee, start porting to new ui? |
| 20:00 | <gbee> | Chutt: not yet, but I'm in a much better position to do it now than I was a week ago and I might just get started on it this weekend |
| 20:01 | <Chutt> | just feel free to ask questions and i can help |
| 20:01 | <Chutt> | cuz i want to start coding again sometime, too, and that's where i'd want to start.. |
| 20:03 | <gbee> | thanks |
| 20:03 | <rooaus> | Chutt: How is the xmlparser going? Do you intend on committing that before the bulk of the mythui port or is it more experimental? |
| 20:03 | <gbee> | DOH |
| 20:04 | <Chutt> | err |
| 20:04 | <Chutt> | the xmlparser's written. |
| 20:04 | <gbee> | just spotted the actual cause of the bug reported by Daniel - typo'd and used x()/y() instead of width()/height() |
| 20:05 | <rooaus> | I thought you were working on an improved version that allowed for better reuse. |
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| 20:05 | <Chutt> | yes, it's written. |
| 20:05 | <gbee> | rooaus: xmlparser is done, all the basic widgets are there, just some of the more specialised widgets which don't exist yet - trees, listareas etc |
| 20:05 | <gbee> | libmythui/xmlparsebase.cpp (from memory) |
| 20:07 | <gbee> | individual ui types each have their own parsing in-class - UIType::ParseXML() (again from memory, might be named differently) |
| 20:07 | <rooaus> | gbee: Yeah, I misunderstood. I thought Chutt was working a improved version to the current libmythui that allowed for includes and other enhancements. |
| 20:07 | <Chutt> | no, the xmlparser in mythui already allows that. |
| 20:07 | <gbee> | ahh, well don't know about that :) |
| 20:08 | <rooaus> | Chutt: Sorry, I *did* misunderstand what you said (many moons ago) then :) |
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| 20:13 | <rooaus> | gbee: Was looking at improving logging for missing theme elements that cause a segfault. I thought adding logging to the parser made a bit of sense. I need to look more at the mythui parser then (maybe it already reports misses). |
| 20:18 | <gbee> | only way to do it in the parser would be to pass a list of required elements when the dialogue is constructed |
| 20:19 | <gbee> | any segfaults caused by missing elements can be easily prevented by not assuming their existance (e.g. null pointer checks) |
| 20:21 | <gbee> | we need to be careful when we decide what is a required element and what isn't - take statusbox, until an hour ago it required you define the heading textarea which isn't what I'd call a must have element |
| 20:22 | <rooaus> | gbee: Yes, #4144 is an example of where a copy and paste error that resulted in a segfault. |
| 20:22 | <gbee> | especially since it wasn't even used by statusbox, it's static text |
| 20:22 | <rooaus> | heh |
| 20:25 | <gbee> | although there are a few elements on each screen which we cannot live without, when we move over to mythui I'd like to rethink exactly what we make compulsory |
| 20:27 | <rooaus> | What made me look at this was a missing text button in glass-wide while testing for justinh. I ended up doing a debug compile and looking at the backtrace to work out why it was segfaulting, even though I suspected a missing element. |
| 20:28 | <gbee> | I'd also like to revisit the wording of text and labels, the example I used earlier was the key/legend for sorting pages, instead of "(1) Sort by Recording Title (2) Sort by Recording Date" it would be better written as "Sort by 1) Title 2) Date" |
| 20:29 | <gbee> | rooaus: that's a pain, but I don't think there is an easier or better solution than just going through the entire codebase and making sure we have those null pointer checks on theme elements |
| 20:31 | <gbee> | one sure way to find those places would be to take a theme and delete each element until you hit a segfault |
| 20:32 | <rooaus> | gbee: true, would the libmythui port affect this type of patch? |
| 20:34 | <gbee> | rooaus: almost certainly since whoever does the port will be going through that code anyway |
| 20:34 | <gbee> | the patch wouldn't be redundant, just a duplication of effort |
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| 20:36 | <rooaus> | Thought so, I really would like to help out with some of this stuff if I can. Just not much of a coder. |
| 20:37 | <gbee> | I'll start with something simple, mythweather most likely since it needs some serious UI fixes anyway |
| 20:38 | <gbee> | """ cerr << "Unknown element: " << e.tagName() << endl; exit(0); """ |
| 20:38 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 20:38 | <gbee> | would like to eliminate stuff like that, since unknown elements are not a serious problem at all and it prevents themes being forwards/backwards compatible |
| 20:39 | <gbee> | throw a warning, but don't return early or even exit completely |
| 20:40 | <rooaus> | gbee: Do you want me to look at that then? |
| 20:40 | <gbee> | rooaus: if you want :) |
| 20:41 | <rooaus> | cool |
| 20:41 | <gbee> | not sure if Chutt agrees with me on that subject? |
| 20:41 | <Chutt> | gbee, figured it was safer, that's all. |
| 20:43 | <rooaus> | what about a VB_THEME? |
| 20:45 | <gbee> | I can see that argument, but think that a _really_ broken theme would probably show up in others ways and that unknown elements needn't be a show-stopper |
| 20:46 | <gbee> | I need to get to bed, I tend to ramble when I'm tired |
| 20:47 | <rooaus> | night |
| 20:50 | <rooaus> | Chutt: Would you accept not exiting if finding unknown elements? I can see why you would do it that way but also see the advantages for 3rd party themers and the like. |
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