| --- | Log | opened Mon Nov 12 00:00:25 2007 |
| 00:16 | <briand> | 3\ |
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| 00:27 | <DrakeAnubis> | meh, its raining |
| 00:27 | <Tronic> | Snow. |
| 00:28 | <Tronic> | Very wet and quickly melting snow, but snow nonetheless. |
| 00:30 | <DrakeAnubis> | Where are you that it is snowing? |
| 00:39 | <Tronic> | Espoo, Finland. |
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| 02:11 | <Pogonip> | Added mythtv to Ubuntu, but mythconverg isn't getting created, has anyone seen this? |
| 02:12 | <hads> | Pogonip: See the topic |
| 02:13 | <Pogonip> | Sorry guys. |
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| 03:30 | <gbee> | DAMN, card failed again overnight another three recordings lost .... starting to worry that it might be a hardware issue |
| 03:32 | <gbee> | or maybe not, 'on demand' was not longer set for that card .... I know I didn't change that >:( |
| 03:33 | <justinh> | so does that basically ensure the card gets a reset every time myth goes for it? |
| 03:35 | <gbee> | yeah, that and with a patch by janne it disables active EIT scanning (which doesn't work so well with the current driver for this card) |
| 03:36 | <gbee> | it probably wouldn't have failed at all if ondemand had been left set, but even if it had, I would only have lost 1 recording and not 3 because releasing the card would have allowed the driver to reload in between |
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| 03:38 | <justinh> | I should set ondemand on my cards if only to lower power consumption some |
| 03:39 | <justinh> | ah dunno what that'll do to EIT on 0.20-fixes though. I expect it'll always have at least one card open |
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| 04:12 | <stuarta> | on demand just mean it should only open the device when it wants to records |
| 04:12 | <stuarta> | and morning :) |
| 04:18 | <justinh> | morning :) |
| 04:18 | <justinh> | great weekend? actually felt like I had one, for a change |
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| 04:28 | <stuarta> | as good as could be expected |
| 04:34 | <rooaus> | gbee: Was there an agreement about exiting/ignoring on unrecognised theme elements? |
| 04:35 | <justinh> | "don't use 3rd party themes & you'll be ok" :P |
| 04:35 | <gbee> | rooaus: not exactly, Chutt thought it was better if we exited but didn't seem to mind if I changed that |
| 04:36 | <rooaus> | gbee: ok, you thought he was cool with the change then. |
| 04:36 | <gbee> | the problem for me is not just that is spoils backward/forwards compatibility, but that we often segfault after exiting early from those parsing functions |
| 04:36 | <gbee> | rooaus: yeah |
| 04:37 | <gbee> | his main concern was bad themes, but IMHO a theme including an unknown element isn't necessarily bad |
| 04:37 | <justinh> | old == bad |
| 04:38 | <gbee> | if it's truely bad (or very old), then it will trip up in other areas |
| 04:38 | <justinh> | if developers wouldn't keep changing the blimmin code to rely on new containers all the time.. ;) |
| 04:38 | <rooaus> | Could the theme version stuff address that (when it is implemented)? |
| 04:38 | <justinh> | yeah it could very well do that with aplomb |
| 04:38 | <gbee> | not least with the themeinfo stuff in place, since that allows for theme versioning |
| 04:39 | <gbee> | would have beaten you to the question, but cat jumped up on my lap ;) |
| 04:39 | <justinh> | it's going to be more important when more the ui code is ported over |
| 04:39 | <justinh> | s/more/more of |
| 04:39 | <justinh> | much more important |
| 04:40 | <justinh> | essential, even |
| 04:41 | <gbee> | yeah |
| 04:41 | <rooaus> | justinh: Yeah, that is what I was thinking. When mucking around with all the xml stuff it would be good if it didn't just exit(); |
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| 04:42 | <justinh> | the only 'problem' with the theme version stuff is that theme designers/maintainers will have to make sure their themes work properly before just updating their xml info file |
| 04:43 | <justinh> | personally I'm getting to the stage now where I think if it works for me, that'll be enough |
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| 06:18 | <rooaus> | I just updated the Coding Standards to a minimum of QT 3.2 on the wiki as per [14402], hope that is ok. |
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| 06:28 | <janneg> | rooaus: minimum for trunk is Qt3.3 |
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| 06:30 | <rooaus> | janneg: Ahhh! I looked at that a couple of times before I did it, I will bump it again if that is ok. :) |
| 06:33 | <gbee> | justinh: I don't see the version info as a guarantee that it works with version X of mythtv - it's more a way of saying that it _doesnt_ work with earlier versions |
| 06:34 | <justinh> | hmm don't think much of that then |
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| 06:34 | <gbee> | although I've changed my mind a couple of times, I'm thinking that the major version number will be the minimum supported mythtv version and the minor version number will be a theme version |
| 06:34 | <gbee> | the latter used so mythtv can eventually tell you automatically when an updated version is available |
| 06:35 | <gbee> | justinh: what I mean is, it's a guidance and doesn't require that you be absolutely certain of compliance before you release the theme |
| 06:35 | <justinh> | fairy nuff |
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| 06:36 | <justinh> | have to try & resist doing any new themes before more code is ported |
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| 06:38 | <justinh> | blootube-wide doesn't need to become a victim of bitrot. it's already pretty rotten :) |
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| 06:42 | <janneg> | rooaus: we are speaking of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Coding_Standards, right? the "and above" is a little bit misleading since qt4 doesn't work |
| 06:43 | <janneg> | s/a little bit // |
| 06:44 | <justinh> | qt5 anyone? ;) |
| 06:45 | <justinh> | or can they just use whatever qt they like so long as they port all the code? :D |
| 06:46 | <rooaus> | janneg: Yes. How would you word it, I just changed the point release and updated the link. Could add that "qt4 is not supported yet" |
| 06:49 | <justinh> | qt >= 3.3 < 4 |
| 06:49 | <janneg> | removing the "and above" would be ok. there is no qt3.4 and the 3.3.x releases are imho included in 3.3 |
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| 06:50 | <stuarta> | footnote1. except for that dodgy 3.3.8 release, that has since been generally patched |
| 06:50 | <janneg> | stating that a qt4.3 port is done in branches/mythtv-qt4 shouldn't cause harm |
| 06:51 | <janneg> | unpatched 3.3.8 is not really a problem. the segfault at exit has no influence on function |
| 06:53 | <stuarta> | true. |
| 06:53 | [~] | stuarta goes back to reading tcpdumps |
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| 07:06 | <gbee> | is it correct, in the transcoding profiles, that the "Maximum Quality" defaults to 2 and the "Minimum Quality" to 15? Isn't that contradictory? |
| 07:06 | <gbee> | for Mpeg4 |
| 07:07 | <stuarta> | sounds like the quant factor |
| 07:09 | <janneg> | it is |
| 07:10 | <gbee> | the numbers make more sense when you know that, but there is no labelling to explain what the figures mean for the end user - whether higher or lower is better/worse |
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| 07:12 | <justinh> | not like priorities then, where many users don't know which is higher.. 10 or -10 :P |
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| 07:44 | <gbee> | justinh: heh, as in the withdrawn Lottery scratchcard? :D |
| 07:48 | <justinh> | that made me laugh when I heard about it. think that was on Friday's News Quiz |
| 07:50 | <gbee> | the quotes from one of the people who thought they'd won were hilarious, if just a little depressing |
| 07:53 | <gbee> | "I phoned Camelot and they fobbed me off with some story that -6 is higher - not lower - than -8 but I'm not having it." |
| 07:54 | <stuarta> | did some people not get out of the 3rd grade? |
| 07:54 | <justinh> | maybe use those lottery cards as part of a test to determine whether or not they should be allowed to procreate |
| 07:55 | <justinh> | the thing about priorities always makes me wonder how they managed to get mythtv working at all |
| 07:56 | <gbee> | heh, all those mythmusic screens I though were unthemeable are themeable, just that the theme I was using as a base didn't have the windows defined |
| 07:56 | <justinh> | which was... ? |
| 07:59 | <gbee> | cdripper, import dialogues etc |
| 07:59 | <justinh> | hmm don't think any of mine have those |
| 07:59 | <gbee> | it's all in default/default-wide |
| 07:59 | <justinh> | not really bothered since I don't use mythmusic except in anger |
| 08:00 | <gbee> | bad news is that it means half a dozen more screens to theme :( |
| 08:00 | <justinh> | there's way too much duplication in the ui now |
| 08:17 | <gbee> | questionable decisions on the edit metadata page, the coverart stuff was added, but rather than stick it in it's own container with a container context, every single thing on that page was given a context |
| 08:17 | <justinh> | like mytharchive |
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| 08:54 | [~] | janneg contemplates whether he should commit the auto expirer enhancements in trunk or multirec |
| 08:56 | <stuarta> | if they don't need multirec functionality, then trunk |
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| 08:59 | <janneg> | It shouldn't have a multirec dependency but it is entirely untested with trunk |
| 09:05 | <gbee> | justinh: seems that context wizardry was done to workaround some code deficiency, but I've not found the problem yet |
| 09:06 | <gbee> | if you move the context to the container then the two containers get drawn over each other even though one shouldn't be drawn at all |
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| 09:32 | <justinh> | gbee: I noticed that in another part of the ui somewhere too |
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| 09:33 | <gbee> | I'm looking for the problem, but it's not immediately obvious |
| 09:34 | <gbee> | if I can't find it in the next few minutes then it's probably not worth fixing since it will probably be fixed by the move to mythui |
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| 09:37 | [~] | janneg has compiled trunk and it seems that the expirer patch works there too |
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| 09:49 | <gbee> | found it, MythThemedDialog::ReallyUpdateForeground isn't looking at the container context before drawing a blank pixmap behind it, even though it then doesn't draw the items in the container it because of the context |
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| 09:58 | <gbee> | I'm not actually sure what the point of the blank pixmap is yet, if we just want to erase things before redrawing, then we should probably just be calling erase(), but I guess I'll soon find out |
| 10:08 | <gbee> | cool, that has almost fixed it |
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| 12:12 | <bradd> | hmm. anyone have issues compiling mythtv svn on fedora 8 x86_64? ai am getting this error...althohgh lame is installed... |
| 12:13 | <bradd> | ERROR! You must have the Lame MP3 encoding library installed to compile MythTV. |
| 12:13 | <bradd> | [12:11pm]> rpm -qa | grep lame |
| 12:13 | <bradd> | lame-3.97-16.fc8 |
| 12:13 | <bradd> | libmp3lame0-3.97-16.fc8 |
| 12:13 | <bradd> | lame-devel-3.97-16.fc8 |
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| 12:36 | <gbee> | Chutt: there is a check in LayerSet::Draw() - "if (m_context == context || m_context == -1)", I want to remove it, any reason that I shouldn't? |
| 12:37 | <gbee> | it seems redundant since each instance of Draw in the uitypes performs the same check, but importantly for the bug I'm trying to fix, UIRemoteEditType doesn't get hidden unless Draw() is called |
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| 13:08 | <gbee> | forgot that uitypes don't inherit the context from their parent container, so that won't work unless I change that |
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| 13:19 | <Chutt> | not really worth fixing old ui code |
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| 13:35 | <super-6-1> | hello everyone im new to mythtv and was wondering what to do. im in ubuntu |
| 13:36 | <gbee> | Chutt: looking at the work involved, I'd agree, I started out just trying to fix one small bug but uncovered 3/4 in that same area and the fixes required are piling up |
| 13:36 | <laga> | super-6-1: you need to join #ubuntu-mythtv |
| 13:36 | <super-6-1> | ok thanks |
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| 13:40 | <gbee> | the biggest problem is that UIRemoteEditTypes in another context are still active, so they might not be visible but you still have to tab through them to navigate the visible stuff |
| 13:42 | <gbee> | there is a workaround though and it's already being used in mythmusic, so I'll just stick with using that for now |
| 13:49 | <SanMehat> | morning |
| 13:49 | <SanMehat> | hey gbee, Chutt. |
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| 16:30 | <justinh> | wth?! http://sourceforge.net/projects/heliocreek/ |
| 16:31 | <laga> | arabic user interface |
| 16:31 | <laga> | interesting. wonder if that was the guy who came in here with this OSD patches |
| 16:35 | <justinh> | heh there's blootube in them thar repos |
| 16:36 | <laga> | did they announce their project on -dev? |
| 16:36 | <justinh> | eew looks like they've taken blootube-wide & squished it |
| 16:37 | <justinh> | laga: don't think so |
| 16:37 | <laga> | they must really enjoy giving back |
| 16:37 | <justinh> | saw a post on -users which looked like 'hey did anybody see this? I just built it & it's brilliant' in a 'this post is from a random guy, not a developer' kind of way |
| 16:38 | <justinh> | http://heliocreek.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/heliocreek/myththemes-0.20/blo-large/themeinfo.xml?revision=1&view=markup |
| 16:38 | <justinh> | shameless thievery.. heheh. that's open source |
| 16:41 | <justinh> | what the heck?! |
| 16:42 | <justinh> | they've got a plugin called mythappearance.. I started out doing that |
| 16:43 | <laga> | what does it do? |
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| 16:43 | <justinh> | looks like just a simpler appearance settings thing than currently in mythtv |
| 16:44 | <justinh> | change the theme, font size.. that's it |
| 16:45 | <laga> | hum |
| 16:45 | <laga> | doesn't sound too stupid actually |
| 16:45 | <justinh> | this looks interesting though: http://heliocreek.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/heliocreek/mythplugins-0.20/ |
| 16:46 | <laga> | um, yes. |
| 16:48 | <justinh> | the youtube player bit is only 815 lines |
| 16:49 | <justinh> | linux has too many meeja players already. why not decide to help bump another project up the ladder? never makes sense all the splitting up of effort |
| 16:50 | <laga> | especially when you're not telling anyone about it ;) |
| 16:52 | <dr_lulz> | 481 wget->addArgument("sudo"); |
| 16:52 | <dr_lulz> | 482 wget->addArgument("wget"); |
| 16:52 | <dr_lulz> | wtf |
| 16:52 | <janneg> | lol |
| 16:52 | <justinh> | sudo wget?! |
| 16:52 | <justinh> | oh jesus |
| 16:53 | <dr_lulz> | i'm not really convinced by the quality of that code ;) |
| 16:53 | <laga> | QString defaultPlayer = gContext->GetSetting("VideoDefaultPlayer"); |
| 16:53 | <laga> | myth_system(defaultPlayer.utf8()); |
| 16:53 | <laga> | i think something is gonna break if you use internal, isn't it? |
| 16:53 | <justinh> | heheh |
| 16:53 | <janneg> | maybe we should be glad that they don't tell anyone about this |
| 16:53 | [~] | justinh wonders how mythnews works with youtube then |
| 16:53 | <laga> | justinh: maybe Internal will work with myth_system +shrug* |
| 16:54 | <stuarta> | badly methinks |
| 16:54 | [~] | justinh shrugs off some negative theme comments |
| 16:55 | <laga> | i wonder where they declare ConvertFLV2MPEG |
| 16:55 | <laga> | might be in for some new horror there ;) |
| 16:55 | <janneg> | sudo ffmpeg ... |
| 16:56 | <dr_lulz> | i refuse to continue reading that code. |
| 16:56 | <dr_lulz> | just when you think it cant get worse, they get closer to rosiello quality |
| 16:56 | <laga> | janneg: QString strCommand = "sudo ffmpeg -y -i "; |
| 16:56 | <laga> | in vod.cpp |
| 16:57 | <jams> | hehe |
| 16:58 | <dr_lulz> | 79 QString cmd_str = "sudo cp "+strSrc+" "+strDest; |
| 16:58 | <dr_lulz> | urgs. now i am serious |
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| 16:58 | <dr_lulz> | this IS gonna damage my brain |
| 16:58 | <laga> | well, it might just work well ;) |
| 16:58 | <laga> | if you remove the obviously stupid sudo bits |
| 16:59 | <dr_lulz> | do you really believe they do the rest better? |
| 16:59 | <laga> | i'm young and naive? |
| 16:59 | <laga> | mythcdman looks a lot like mythmusic |
| 17:00 | <dr_lulz> | its obviously the "copypasta and rape" programming paradigm |
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| 17:02 | <laga> | mythdatetime: |
| 17:02 | <laga> | myth_system(QString("sudo /bin/date ")+ dateString); |
| 17:02 | <laga> | myth_system("sudo /sbin/hwclock --systohc"); |
| 17:03 | <laga> | are they building a complete distro around that or is that juse a random plugin which will break stuff? |
| 17:03 | <dr_lulz> | oO |
| 17:03 | <janneg> | who wants to write the "heliocreek contains several root holes" mail to bugtray? |
| 17:03 | <laga> | dr_lulz gets all the credit |
| 17:03 | <justinh> | but... but .. but.. it's got youtube! |
| 17:03 | <justinh> | ;) |
| 17:03 | <dr_lulz> | urgs, please no bugtraq credit |
| 17:05 | <dr_lulz> | i'll stab anyone who mentions me in a bugtraq mail ;) |
| 17:06 | <dr_lulz> | (unless its serious trolling ;) |
| 17:07 | <janneg> | so claiming that you wrote the code would be ok? |
| 17:07 | <dr_lulz> | lol |
| 17:08 | <dr_lulz> | "dr_lulz perforced a full source code audit and was fully satisfied, no space for improvements" |
| 17:08 | <gbee> | hmm, so we've got a lazy fork? |
| 17:08 | <gbee> | and not even from trunk ... |
| 17:09 | <dr_lulz> | gbee: i believe their goal is to replace all the myth code bit by bit to present the "rock solid myth" |
| 17:09 | <justinh> | MythRootKit? |
| 17:09 | <laga> | myth_system("sudo mythcommflag") |
| 17:09 | <dr_lulz> | lol |
| 17:10 | <dr_lulz> | hrm. justinh, you just got me an idea: lets rewrite mythtv in kernelspace |
| 17:11 | <dr_lulz> | for moaaaar performance, just like IIS :) |
| 17:11 | <gbee> | I hate forks, even 'friendly' ones |
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| 17:11 | <jams> | laga- sure looks like a ubuntu based thing to me |
| 17:11 | <dr_lulz> | gbee: what about forking from half-rotten-but-still-usable code? |
| 17:12 | <jams> | they have several build scripts that reference ubuntu packages. |
| 17:13 | <laga> | so |
| 17:13 | <gbee> | forks are usually done by someone too lazy to work with the existing project or someone who doesn't have enough faith in their own code to submit it for review |
| 17:13 | <laga> | they forked mythtv |
| 17:13 | <laga> | and mythbuntu |
| 17:13 | <laga> | ;) |
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| 17:13 | <gbee> | if you can improve the original project, submit patches, don't just fork it - waste of everyones time and a division of labour |
| 17:14 | <dr_lulz> | i think forks are indeed justified if the original maintainer vanished or got weird politics |
| 17:14 | <dr_lulz> | nothing bad about that |
| 17:16 | <gbee> | dr_lulz: that's the one good reason for a fork, the only one and even then it's only justified if you've made a decent effort to revive the old project or work with the maintainer (however mad they are) |
| 17:16 | <janneg> | neither is the case for mythtv |
| 17:16 | [~] | gbee goes back to working on his theme and pretends this thread never existed |
| 17:25 | <gbee> | heh, ran a mpeg2 - mpeg4 transcode on a film last night, noticed just now that the transcode increased the size ... |
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| 18:28 | <justinh> | gbee: where was that page where you had some notes about the ui code? planning to add my musings tomorrow-ish |
| 18:29 | <gbee> | half a sec, I'll have to root around for the url |
| 18:29 | <justinh> | ta |
| 18:30 | <gbee> | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/MythUINotes |
| 18:31 | <gbee> | just found this as well, which could be handy - http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/MythUIThemeFormat |
| 18:32 | <justinh> | cheers :) |
| 18:33 | <justinh> | oo I'll have my new cpu on wednesday. gonna be delivered tomorrow but I won't be in |
| 18:34 | <justinh> | time for bed. g'night all |
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