| --- | Log | opened Wed Nov 14 00:00:32 2007 |
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| 06:21 | <gbee> | which of the following is better: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/theme_fullscreen50.png |
| 06:21 | <gbee> | or http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/theme_fullscreen57.png |
| 06:22 | <gbee> | the second has a bigger, widescreen preview area at the expense of description space |
| 06:23 | <justinh> | hmm tough call |
| 06:23 | <justinh> | I think prospective users would go for 57.png |
| 06:23 | <gbee> | given justinh's fair criticism that not everyone in the world needs space for essay sized descriptions, I'm leaning towards the second |
| 06:24 | <justinh> | I'm tempted to mod my own theme to remove the video preview altogether |
| 06:24 | <gbee> | a widescreen preview area definately makes more sense in a widescreen theme |
| 06:24 | <justinh> | it'd only really be needed to verify the recording is what you think it is, which is 99 times out of 100, is :) |
| 06:25 | <gbee> | justinh: you can use an altarea I think, so if the user has previews disabled then you get the extra space to play with |
| 06:25 | <justinh> | so _that's_ what that's for |
| 06:25 | <justinh> | have to look at that later when I sort out my cpu socket mess |
| 06:26 | <gbee> | just checked, "if ((previewVideoEnabled == 0) && (previewPixmapEnabled == 0)) container->UseAlternateArea(true);" |
| 06:27 | <gbee> | so there you go, users at least have that choice if they really want the previews, or prefer the extra space for descriptions etc |
| 06:28 | <justinh> | more testing to do :( ;) |
| 06:30 | <justinh> | if I do much more of this I'm gonna need scripts |
| 06:30 | <stuarta> | sed is your friend |
| 06:30 | <justinh> | change the db setting, start the frontend, jump to this page, scroll down a few times.. |
| 06:30 | <gbee> | my only problem now is hiding that preview area frame |
| 06:31 | <justinh> | gbee: make it an optional part of the vid preview container? |
| 06:32 | <justinh> | or is that harder than it sounds? (wouldn't be surprised) |
| 06:32 | <gbee> | not harder, although it would require some work |
| 06:32 | <justinh> | I guess that way you could have the frame drawn on top too, which'd be preferable |
| 06:32 | <gbee> | I'd probably add a <blackhole> to the vid container, if that is present use it for the vid dimensions |
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| 16:38 | <gbee> | anyone mind testing a patch for me? hopefully improves the preview scaling, although the results are harder to see unless your theme has a background/frame around the preview image/video |
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| 16:41 | <gnome42> | Hi gbee, I might be able to test it. Although I don't think my theme has frame around the video window. |
| 16:41 | <gnome42> | a scaling performance improvement? |
| 16:42 | <mattwire> | tell me which theme to use and what I'm looking for and I'll test it |
| 16:43 | <justinh> | don't have a dev box right now or I'd be in like a shot |
| 16:44 | <gbee> | not a performance improvement possibly even the opposite, it just scales according to the preview area dimensions and centres the preview in that area |
| 16:44 | <gbee> | until recently we used a fixed preview size and it was always aligned at the top/left margin |
| 16:45 | <gbee> | already checked in some stuff to change the way it's handled, this just improves on that code but I'd like people to look for odd behaviour |
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| 16:46 | <gbee> | I don't actually know of a theme which uses a frame/background except mine, so maybe for now it would just be ok to check that nothing unexpected happens at different resolutions or with different themes |
| 16:48 | <gnome42> | gbee: Oh, I do recall tweaking my theme to centre the video in that window many months ago :) |
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| 16:49 | [~] | justinh is frankly surprised anybody cares about the preview video, since you can't really pay attention to everything onscreen at once |
| 16:51 | <gnome42> | justinh: yeah, the only thing I noticed is that it wasn't centred in the window :) |
| 16:51 | <gbee> | http://pastebin.ca/773960 |
| 16:53 | <gbee> | justinh: I didn't care about the preview video before, but with these changes and a nice frame around it, it definately adds something to the overall appearance of mythtv |
| 17:02 | <gbee> | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/theme_fullscreen59.png |
| 17:03 | <justinh> | wooo me likey much |
| 17:07 | <mattwire> | just installed a new nova-t 500 dual tuner in my mythbox. Surprising how much more useful it becomes with two tuners! |
| 17:08 | <gnome42> | oh, too many rejects against multirec. I'll have to catch it later on |
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| 17:08 | <mattwire> | gbee: your patch is compiling |
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| 17:09 | <gbee> | gnome42: ok, no problem - I've tested it pretty well here, but when you are dealing with scaling things to a specific size, aspect and resolution odd bugs can creep in |
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| 17:11 | <mattwire> | got this is the videos dialog: MythThemedDialog.o: something is requesting a screen update of zero size. A widget probably has not done a calculateScreeArea(). Will redraw the whole screen (inefficient!). |
| 17:11 | <mattwire> | may be completely unrelated though |
| 17:11 | <mattwire> | works fine in the recordings dialog |
| 17:12 | <justinh> | I was seeing that a lot during development of glass-wide |
| 17:14 | <gbee> | mattwire: doesn't matter much, that code is for the chop anyway |
| 17:15 | <gbee> | wouldn't be hard to find the culprit, just walk through uitypes and find which one isn't calculating it's screen area ... |
| 17:16 | <gbee> | mattwire: good to hear, it's the recording/deletion dialogue this change affects |
| 17:17 | <gnome42> | I've taken a crack at implementing one of Chutt's ideas. Service ring buffer Seek()'s from readahead buffer if possible. Looks promising :) |
| 17:18 | <laga> | gnome42: faster seeking? |
| 17:19 | <gnome42> | laga: yeah, slightly. The slower your network and storage the more improvement. |
| 17:19 | <laga> | cool |
| 17:19 | <laga> | wlan frontends ftw |
| 17:19 | <gbee> | gnome42: very cool |
| 17:19 | <gnome42> | laga: yeah, exactly |
| 17:20 | <gnome42> | It helps most when not using a position map, cause there are more small seeks. |
| 17:21 | <gnome42> | and I get a stream of "readahead hits" during the 'searching for logo' phase of commflagging |
| 17:23 | <gnome42> | laga: the readahead buffer is small (3 MB) so any normal, user initiated seeks are outside of the readahead buffer so it doesn't help there. |
| 17:24 | <gnome42> | however, fast forward at ~ 4x-8x can often be serviced from the readahead buffer |
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| 17:37 | <mattwire> | Anyone interested in testing this patch? http://www.pastebin.ca/774031 |
| 17:37 | <mattwire> | It allows mythtv-setup to stop and start the backend automatically |
| 17:38 | <mattwire> | and prevents the backend from being restarted until mythtv-setup finishes |
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| 17:43 | <gbee> | might have a hard time selling this bit "sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop" |
| 17:43 | <superm1> | justinh, on your site you allude to a glasswide-osd, but i don't see up there, is that an oversight? |
| 17:43 | <laga> | it's configurable, isn't it? |
| 17:43 | <gbee> | laga: yeah, but that's the default |
| 17:44 | <justinh> | superm1: it's built in |
| 17:44 | <superm1> | justinh, ooh neat |
| 17:44 | <justinh> | took a leaf out of mepo's book |
| 17:44 | <superm1> | i was just wget'ing as we speak, so i haven't looked yet |
| 17:44 | <justinh> | you can't wget it |
| 17:44 | <mattwire> | there's two extra settings in the backend settings page to configure the stop and start command |
| 17:44 | <superm1> | s/wget/download/ |
| 17:45 | <mattwire> | they also only run when on the master backend |
| 17:48 | <gbee> | mattwire: I know, just suggesting you change the default |
| 17:49 | <mattwire> | what would you suggest? |
| 17:49 | <mattwire> | something like killall mythbackend? |
| 17:49 | <gbee> | since users installing from source won't have an init script and using sudo is dubious, just mythbackend would be ok |
| 17:50 | <laga> | distros can still patch it themselves |
| 17:50 | <gbee> | mythbackend should be running under the same user as mythtv-setup, so permissions won't be an issue there and it would work out of the box for most users building from source |
| 17:50 | <gbee> | laga: yep |
| 17:50 | <mattwire> | ok |
| 17:50 | <mattwire> | so "mythbackend" to start |
| 17:50 | <superm1> | gbee, not necessarily will they run as the same user as mythtv-setup |
| 17:51 | <mattwire> | and "killall mythbackend" to stop |
| 17:51 | <superm1> | and what if extra options were passed to mythbackend? |
| 17:51 | <laga> | superm1: we can patch that ourselves :) |
| 17:51 | <mattwire> | superm1 - that's why it's configurable |
| 17:51 | <laga> | maybe the patch could gather the switches from /proc/ |
| 17:51 | <gbee> | superm1: they should ... neither should be run as root |
| 17:51 | <mattwire> | I use an init script so it does it all nicely for me |
| 17:52 | <Chutt> | it really shouldn't automatically restart the backend. |
| 17:52 | <superm1> | gbee, well in alot of our cases at least, mythtv-setup is ran as a user, but mythbackend has its own daemon userid |
| 17:52 | <mattwire> | currently it only restarts the backend if it stopped it in the first place |
| 17:52 | <mattwire> | and it asks you before stopping |
| 17:52 | <Chutt> | mythbackend better be running as the same user as mythtv-setup, too |
| 17:52 | <Chutt> | and the same user as the frontend |
| 17:52 | <gbee> | aye |
| 17:53 | <laga> | it's configurable so it doesn't really matter for distros |
| 17:53 | <superm1> | why would the backend and frontend both need to be running as the same user though generally even though? |
| 17:54 | <laga> | channel icons? |
| 17:54 | <Chutt> | sharing ~/.mythtv/ |
| 17:54 | <laga> | although channel icons have the complete path AFAIK |
| 17:54 | <laga> | so it's OK ;) |
| 17:55 | <superm1> | Chutt, what in ~/.mythtv needs to be shared though? Especially if a systemwide mysql.txt is used |
| 17:55 | <Chutt> | anything anyone wants to put in there |
| 17:55 | <mattwire> | I'll submit a patch in trac for it at some point. It can use discussed as defaults. Any other major issues you can see at the moment implementation wise? |
| 17:56 | <laga> | superm1: lircrc |
| 17:56 | <mattwire> | lirc isn't used on the backend because there's no gui |
| 17:56 | <superm1> | you can use a remote in mythtv-setup? never thought to try :) |
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| 17:57 | <laga> | but lircrc doesn't really matter for mythbuntu since mythtv-setup and mythtv are run as the same user |
| 17:57 | <DaveMorris> | !logs |
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| 18:06 | <gbee> | superm1: remote and any themes etc can be installed to ~/.mythtv/ without the user needing to be root, or have access to the global directory |
| 18:07 | <superm1> | gbee, right |
| 18:08 | <superm1> | but those don't necessarily need to coincide with items used for mythbackend |
| 18:08 | <superm1> | is all i was saying |
| 18:08 | <superm1> | justinh, perhaps in a future update to glass-wide you may consider making background.png a symlink to one of the backgrounds in the backgrounds directory |
| 18:09 | <justinh> | superm1: symlinks are bad |
| 18:09 | <superm1> | justinh, why? |
| 18:10 | <justinh> | if the user has the power to change a symlink, they also have the power to copy a file |
| 18:10 | <justinh> | so it'll use 500k more disk space.. that's nowt |
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| 18:12 | <superm1> | justinh, you mean they would also have power to overwrite the systemwide background.png? |
| 18:12 | <justinh> | it'd be their loss. there's not much to stop them doing rm -rf / either |
| 18:13 | <superm1> | well it would be easier to provide some sort of script then to adjust the possible backgrounds if it were a symlink was what i was going to get at |
| 18:13 | <superm1> | or even if the functionality was added to mythfrontend, to choose a background there |
| 18:14 | <justinh> | I never envisaged it'd be something I'd want to change often |
| 18:14 | <justinh> | so it's staying as it is |
| 18:15 | <superm1> | just a friendly suggestion/idea :) |
| 18:15 | <justinh> | I saw the script posted on the -users list today. man alive |
| 18:15 | <laga> | we can always add a special "change backgrounds for juski's themes" module to mythbuntu-control-centre |
| 18:19 | <justinh> | still keep experimenting with ways to 'holiday-ify' a theme though. tricky |
| 18:23 | <gbee> | hard to see how we'd integrate it within mythfrontend, although the possibility is interesting since I'm considering supplying different colour schemes for use with my theme |
| 18:24 | <justinh> | I mean the theme chooser gadget hasn't even been decided upon yet, let alone stuff to customise elements |
| 18:24 | <justinh> | decided upon / coded |
| 18:25 | <gbee> | aye |
| 18:25 | <justinh> | can the paint engines change the hue on the fly? |
| 18:26 | <justinh> | maybe not a good idea unless you do it during prescaling.. er.. scratch that |
| 18:26 | <justinh> | there's not even a tickbox to disable the menu transitions yet ;) |
| 18:27 | <gbee> | main problem is that changing the background and therefore colour for static images is easy, but moving ones - like my selectors or menu buttons, not so much |
| 18:28 | <justinh> | that's why I went with transparent everything, pretty much |
| 18:29 | <justinh> | phew I got positive feedback from that ebay seller of the 'socket 479' CPU that turned out to be a 'P'. was never gonna win that one |
| 18:29 | <justinh> | now I just need to shift the thing |
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| 18:44 | <skamithi> | gbee: got a patch for u try on #4173 |
| 18:44 | <skamithi> | its attached to the ticket. |
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| 18:45 | <gbee> | skamithi: thanks, I'll give it a go now |
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| 20:00 | <superm1_> | ticket 2421 might need to be poked again soon, gcc 4.2 appears to be turning on -fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden |
| 20:00 | <superm1_> | causing some link failures |
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| 20:34 | <Anduin> | superm1_: If you can attach the errors to the ticket that would help (or I'll revive my debian sid VM) |
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| 20:49 | <roothorick> | with the oncoming analog blackout, the Hauppauge PVR series are going to be outdated within about a year and a half |
| 20:50 | <roothorick> | so, what should I be buying if I want my DVR box to work without assistance in 2010? |
| 20:50 | <NightMonkey> | roothorick: /topic, plz. |
| 20:50 | <roothorick> | oh, crap |
| 20:50 | <roothorick> | sorry |
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| 21:40 | <stoth> | hey, does anyone have mythtv running on comcast, who I can ask a few questions of? |
| 21:40 | <stoth> | (comcast digital cable that is) |
| 21:40 | <kormoc> | stoth, try the correct channel |
| 21:41 | <stoth> | I'm not sure this is really a user related question, it's a developer request. |
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| 21:44 | <stoth> | OK. Last chance before I give hardware to a user instead of a developer. |
| 21:48 | <hads> | heh |
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