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| 01:51 | [~] | stuarta updates to head finally. |
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| 04:52 | <gbee> | well insurance has finally paid out for the scars from my fall, not quite as much as I'd have liked so it won't be paying for a new frontend :) |
| 04:53 | <justinh> | if I get my money back from the 'socket 479' CPU from selling it I might look for somewhere to donate to |
| 04:53 | <stuarta> | better than nothing |
| 04:53 | <justinh> | aye it is that |
| 04:54 | <gbee> | stuarta: aye definately that and still not a bad figure - £920 |
| 04:54 | <stuarta> | as long as it covered costs. |
| 05:08 | <justinh> | gah. ebay's picture uploadery thing doesn't seem to like linux |
| 05:11 | <gbee> | odd |
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| 05:17 | <justinh> | I saved the file as me, why can't I upload it? bah. see if I can add it later |
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| 05:35 | <justinh> | turns out using the simple listing wizard was to blame |
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| 10:27 | <justinh> | duhhh I can't believe I've had emails asking me how to replace the background image. how the hell do people manage to install mythtv if they can't copy one file on top of another?! |
| 10:27 | <stuarta> | apt-get, yum |
| 10:27 | [~] | justinh sets up a new email filter |
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| 12:26 | <gbee> | sick of the preview scaling code now, apparently I'm not as good at maths as I thought I was |
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| 12:38 | <bendailey> | gbee: are you did you just commit 14872? |
| 12:39 | <gbee> | bendailey: depends ;) |
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| 12:39 | <gbee> | if you are going to report a bug, then no :) |
| 12:40 | <bendailey> | gbee: going to recompile right now will let "someone" know if I find anything :) |
| 12:40 | <gbee> | heh, ok |
| 12:46 | [~] | stuarta puts an illuminated flashing "he's here" sign above gbee |
| 12:51 | <justinh> | still no reply from heliocrap |
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| 13:09 | <hendrixski> | are there any existing python bindings in the mythtv code? I'm thinking of making some, but don't know whether to use SIP or SWIG, and would like an example to study. |
| 13:09 | <justinh> | hendrixski: think there are some in mytharchive |
| 13:09 | [~] | hendrixski checks mytharchive |
| 13:09 | <justinh> | argghhh shoite |
| 13:09 | <justinh> | my db is a bit broken |
| 13:20 | <justinh> | messed with lmsensors & the db connection went away |
| 13:20 | <justinh> | restarted the backend & mysql and all is pinky again |
| 13:20 | <justinh> | weird city |
| 13:21 | <hendrixski> | justinh, sweet, I see how python is called in mytharchive.... it creates a QString called commandline that is how one would call the script, then it calls system(commandline) ... |
| 13:22 | <justinh> | hendrixski: ouch |
| 13:22 | <hendrixski> | always kinda wondered how to do that.... but that's not exactly what I needed |
| 13:23 | <hendrixski> | justinh, why ouch? |
| 13:23 | <justinh> | I have python-a-phobia |
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| 13:24 | <hendrixski> | yeah a lot of people do ... that entire mandatory whitespace thing is kinda ridiculous |
| 13:25 | <justinh> | heh. I didn't even know about that |
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| 13:27 | <hendrixski> | yeah, it doesn't just suggest kindly that you use certain conventions, it forces them on you. But some people really like that... |
| 13:28 | <hendrixski> | alrighty, well, just checking that there aren't any python bindings to any of the mythtv libraries I should look at before trying to make one |
| 13:28 | <hendrixski> | thanks |
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| 13:38 | <gbee> | my objection to python is that I can't see the benefits of not just writing stuff in C++ to start with |
| 13:38 | <laga> | python is easier? |
| 13:39 | <justinh> | it's all foreign to me! |
| 13:39 | <stuarta> | i disagree |
| 13:39 | <gbee> | laga: that's the bit I have trouble understanding, everyone says that but I just don't believe it |
| 13:39 | <laga> | stuarta: for the beginner ;) |
| 13:39 | <laga> | gbee: it's very easy to just start hacking |
| 13:39 | <justinh> | laga: I am a beginner |
| 13:39 | <stuarta> | you calling me a beginner? |
| 13:39 | <hendrixski> | gbee, laga is right. Some kid can decide he wants to scan stuff from websiteX and in a week teach themselves enough python and write it |
| 13:39 | [~] | stuarta chuckles |
| 13:39 | <laga> | it uses dynmical typing for one thing |
| 13:40 | <stuarta> | which is exactly why people were taken out and shot for thinking basic was a programming language |
| 13:40 | <gbee> | hendrixski: I taught myself perl in a week and C++ in two |
| 13:40 | <laga> | with a bucket of coke and no sleep? :) |
| 13:40 | [~] | hendrixski thinks that gbee is smarter than the average bear |
| 13:40 | <gbee> | well the no sleep part is probably accurate ;) |
| 13:41 | <gbee> | hendrixski: I don't ... that's probably why I'm so confused |
| 13:41 | <justinh> | if it hadn't been for BASIC I'd prolly be whirring out c++ like a trooper now. that's my excuse & I'm sticking to it |
| 13:42 | <gbee> | I've played with python to fix up a trac plugin and I didn't see anything there which would make it easier to learn than C++ |
| 13:42 | <justinh> | from all the code I've looked at I find I can read mythtv code but not python |
| 13:43 | <gbee> | now PHP is laughably easy and IMHO python looks to be around the same point on the learning curve as perl |
| 13:43 | <hendrixski> | gbee, what langauges did you know before teaching yourself C++? |
| 13:43 | <gbee> | hendrixski: I started at perl (if you ignore the basic that every kid learnt on Windows 3.10) |
| 13:44 | <hendrixski> | cool |
| 13:44 | <justinh> | anyway, I'll refuse to use and theme for any python plugins so whoever loses out most will lose out most |
| 13:44 | <hendrixski> | I started with Java... so then all of this *pointer stuff was lost on me for the longest time |
| 13:45 | <gbee> | perl and C/C++ have a lot in common, similar syntax and grammar - so it's probably fair to note that it would be easier for a perl programmer to migrate to C than for a python programmar |
| 13:46 | <hendrixski> | justinh, I don't think you'll see any python plugins anytime soon.. though it's inevitable that there will be more scripts put in at some point |
| 13:47 | <gbee> | PHP, which I now use for all web based stuff is again similar in style but because it is so well crafted for the single purpose of web content I probably wouldn't use anything else for that task, unless speed was an issue |
| 13:47 | <hendrixski> | what's faster for web than PHP? |
| 13:47 | <gbee> | Ruby etc just leaves me cold and for some reason I've never got along with Java |
| 13:48 | <clever> | i use php for web and a few cli tools(one of them curses based) |
| 13:48 | [~] | hendrixski loves java |
| 13:48 | <clever> | most of my php cli tools are just a few lines |
| 13:48 | <clever> | stuff that bash could probly do but i dont know bash that well |
| 13:49 | <hendrixski> | now, there are a few PHP segments in Mythtv |
| 13:50 | <hendrixski> | nothing in ruby or java* I'm assuming? |
| 13:50 | <gbee> | hendrixski: a well written precompiled application can probably leave php behind in terms of speed, though it all depends on the task and the presence of things like Zend Optimiser/Platform |
| 13:50 | <clever> | mythweb has javascript |
| 13:50 | <hendrixski> | hhmm |
| 13:50 | <gbee> | I used to hate javascript, but I've come to accept that nothing will replace it on the client side and I'm now pretty comfortable with it |
| 13:51 | [~] | hendrixski check mythweb really quick like |
| 13:51 | <hendrixski> | gbee, something will replace it.... |
| 13:51 | <hendrixski> | javascript 2 |
| 13:51 | <gbee> | hendrixski: :p |
| 13:51 | <hendrixski> | which isn't backwards compatable |
| 13:51 | <hendrixski> | so half of the web will break since MS has no intention of ever updating |
| 13:51 | <stuarta> | bathwater is dirty, lets throw out the baby too.... |
| 13:51 | <stuarta> | typical |
| 13:53 | <hendrixski> | OH WOW.. that is some GOOD javascript code |
| 13:53 | <hendrixski> | comments and all |
| 13:53 | <clever> | lol |
| 13:53 | <clever> | only part ive realy edited in mythweb was some of the perl for the flash video player |
| 13:53 | <clever> | so that i could get errors ffmpeg spit out |
| 13:53 | <clever> | which just led me to a seg faulting ffmpeg |
| 13:54 | <gbee> | things like python scripts breaking every time the python version changes are a definite minus point, compare it to perl where code generally remains compatible for years |
| 13:55 | <gbee> | I hardly touch mythweb, mostly because xris and kormoc have it well covered, but also because it uses a design structure that I have a hard time getting my head around - can never find what I'm looking for |
| 13:56 | <hendrixski> | gbee, yeah, normally it's the full version number incriments that break stuff... like Qt3 to Qt4... but python seems to break between like 2.6 and 2.7 |
| 13:56 | <gbee> | I've gravitated towards smarty (or if I must, clearsilver) for templating in php, but xris doesn't like them :( |
| 13:56 | <clever> | gbee: yeah i had trouble finding the right perl file to tweak |
| 13:59 | <gbee> | well no-one has complained that the latest preview changes broke anything, could be counting my eggs, but I might have got it right finally |
| 14:03 | [~] | clever trys to fix mythweb's streaming |
| 14:03 | <hendrixski> | wow... I haven't used mythweb yet, but seeing how legable the code is in there, makes me want to tinker with it :-) |
| 14:03 | <clever> | lol |
| 14:04 | <hendrixski> | both the javascript and php files, man |
| 14:05 | <hendrixski> | as soon as I tinker with the python bindings idea a little bit :-p |
| 14:05 | <laga> | yay :) |
| 14:06 | <justinh> | nay :( |
| 14:06 | <justinh> | < devil's advocate :) |
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| 15:03 | <gnome42> | Does anyone use playgroups? I have migrated the AutoCommSkip/Notify settings into playgroups. Are there any other playback settings that people think would be useful to have in playgroups? |
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| 15:29 | <gbee> | gnome42: fill/aspect would be great in playgroups |
| 15:29 | <gbee> | either that or we add intelligent detection for selecting the correct fill/aspect settings |
| 15:30 | <gbee> | sampling along the edges of the image for black pixels etc |
| 15:39 | <gnome42> | gbee: yeah, fill/aspect makes sense. I'll look into it. Thanks for the feedback |
| 15:40 | <justinh> | films screened in cinemascope might just knacker that one |
| 15:43 | <gbee> | justinh: possibly, but I'm mostly imagining the fill scaling kicking it when we detect black borders on all sides |
| 15:43 | <justinh> | ah |
| 15:43 | <justinh> | that'd be nift |
| 15:43 | <justinh> | it always annoys me when 4:3 channels show widescreen material in letterboxes |
| 15:44 | <justinh> | so myth pillarboxes the 4:3 stream which contains the letterboxed 14:9 show :-\ |
| 15:44 | <gbee> | yeah, like Virgin is currently doing with most of their output |
| 15:44 | <justinh> | according to the nerdy guys on digitalspy they plan to go wide eventually |
| 15:44 | <gbee> | the half fill is good for virgin content :) |
| 15:44 | <gnome42> | gbee: hmm, playgroups are global (not per frontend). Is that a problem for fill/aspect? I don't use that feature. I guess the question is: Does the selection of the fill/aspect setting depend on the recording or the hardware it's played back on? |
| 15:45 | <gbee> | yep, I read that at the time they launched |
| 15:45 | [~] | justinh is tempted to go for another AOpen socket M mobo & core2 duo M combination |
| 15:45 | <laga> | justinh: working that well? |
| 15:46 | <gbee> | gnome42: aspect maybe, fill probably isn't an issue, but I'm not sure to be honest |
| 15:46 | <justinh> | laga: not working at all yet. new cpu should arrive tomorrow. don't get me started on the 'two types of socket 479' crap again |
| 15:46 | <laga> | rotfl |
| 15:46 | <laga> | k ;) |
| 15:47 | [~] | justinh pats the stress lump on his neck down |
| 15:48 | <gnome42> | gbee: yeah, I'm not sure too. |
| 15:48 | <justinh> | laga: consider this: core2 duo 1.83Ghz mobo, CPU & RAM for under £100. pretty damn tempting to me |
| 15:49 | <justinh> | who cares if it only has Intel graphics? I don't play games that need 3d. got the xbox for that |
| 15:49 | <GreyFoxx> | p |
| 15:49 | <GreyFoxx> | oops |
| 15:50 | <justinh> | and it'll make for a quieter room in here. you never know I might stay calm for longer :P |
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| 15:52 | <justinh> | gbee: you know the other day when that ubuntu nick'd guy was showing off that video & you said that looked like alphapulse - I didn't realise it could do granular effects like that |
| 15:52 | <justinh> | I thought it was just 'fade in, fade out' |
| 15:53 | <Chutt> | what video? |
| 15:54 | <justinh> | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KFOMxYGOMMI |
| 15:54 | <justinh> | ahh I just worked it out |
| 15:54 | <gbee> | it was just fade in/out, but he was using an image with a radial alpha fill over the time |
| 15:54 | <gbee> | time? err top |
| 15:55 | <gbee> | actually two, one on the left, other on the right |
| 15:55 | <gbee> | at least that's what I thought he had done |
| 15:55 | <justinh> | looked like a reason to take alphapulse out of the code IMHO ;) |
| 15:56 | <Chutt> | why would that be a reason to take it out? |
| 15:56 | <justinh> | just kidding, chutt :) |
| 15:57 | <justinh> | so the alphapulse thing can be used to mask images as well? might have to revisit playing with that |
| 15:58 | <Chutt> | all it does is adjust the alpha, it'll work for any ui type. |
| 15:58 | <justinh> | that's what I thought, but that vid doesn't seem to work like that. I'll have to ask I guess |
| 15:58 | <Chutt> | sure it does |
| 15:59 | <Chutt> | it's just adjusting the alpha of a blue image that's on top of the text. |
| 15:59 | <justinh> | doh. pardon my being thick again |
| 16:00 | <Chutt> | that itself has a non-constant alpha/etc |
| 16:00 | <gbee> | I was considering using it in the animation effect I want on my main menu |
| 16:00 | <Chutt> | could do the same thing with just an animation set of images, too |
| 16:00 | <Chutt> | but that'd use memory |
| 16:00 | <Chutt> | or it wouldn't be _that_ hard to add another effect to do the same thing natively |
| 16:01 | <gbee> | aye, that's why I was looking at using it, a cheap animation effect - although it can use more CPU than the normal image animation |
| 16:01 | <justinh> | been trying to come up with some kind of small animation loop that doesn't involve a rotating logo |
| 16:02 | <gbee> | it's also 100x easier than creating dozens of duplicate images with subtle changes |
| 16:02 | <justinh> | gbee: there's no getting away from it, you need a proper animation program to do that kind of thing unless you're great at animating in GIMP |
| 16:02 | <justinh> | whether that be Blender or whatever |
| 16:03 | <justinh> | been trying to get a highlight to move along a text path in a 3d package |
| 16:03 | <gbee> | justinh: I wouldn't want to try, instead I've got this idea which just takes advantage of alphapulse to give the impression that a button is flashing |
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| 16:04 | <gbee> | haven't done it yet, so it might not work in the theme |
| 16:05 | <gbee> | I'd only be adding the animation to keep with my plan of showing off what is possible |
| 16:05 | <justinh> | if there's ever a <describe how the theme element appears or disappears> tag, I doubt I'll ever come near finishing much |
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| 16:39 | <gbee> | it's a real shame, but you can't overlay images above one that has an alphapulse |
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| 17:09 | <Anynomous> | I need kernel 2.6.23 for Feisty ... can I download a deb somewhere or do I have to compile? |
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| 17:09 | <Anynomous> | I need to get HVR 3000 running |
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| 17:10 | [~] | justinh points at the channel topic |
| 17:11 | <Anynomous> | sorry ... |
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| 21:10 | <xris> | hmm, nifty. jira gives free licenses to OSS projects. |
| 21:10 | <xris> | wonder how it would work for mythtv |
| 21:12 | <xris> | oh well. time to go home. |
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