| --- | Log | opened Sat Nov 24 00:00:33 2007 |
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| 01:14 | <uplinked> | hi, quick question- i've been on the google for ~2 hours, and i might be more confused than when i started; is there *any* way to record non-local hd channels in 1080p using mythtv + comcast digital? |
| 01:18 | <uplinked> | shit. users channel. gotcha, thanks :) |
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| 03:48 | <justinh> | why did we need a longer date format? |
| 03:49 | <justinh> | and er.. what attachment? heh |
| 03:50 | <rgravener> | 2038 the world ends |
| 03:50 | <rgravener> | thats why |
| 03:50 | <rgravener> | its literally the end of time |
| 03:50 | <justinh> | bah it's only the end of an epoch |
| 04:05 | <justinh> | hmmm new long date format should probably fit ok but I'd have been tempted to make it use the last 2 year digits instead since most recordings won't be a whole century old |
| 04:06 | <rgravener> | new long? |
| 04:06 | <rgravener> | thought the current one was long |
| 04:06 | <rgravener> | strings work for me |
| 04:07 | <justinh> | ddd d MMM yyyy vs ddd MMM d yyyy |
| 04:08 | <justinh> | should be harmless enough |
| 04:09 | <rgravener> | my neck is killing me |
| 04:10 | <justinh> | I'd probably have added ddd dd/mm too. always used to bug me, the ddd mm/dd |
| 04:11 | <rgravener> | i'm american, pisses me off |
| 04:12 | <justinh> | I've always thought the US date convention was funny |
| 04:12 | <rgravener> | haha, do you have any coundom |
| 04:12 | <rgravener> | you pullin hd down justinh ? |
| 04:13 | <justinh> | nope, not yet and probably not for quite some time |
| 04:13 | <rgravener> | standard def? |
| 04:14 | <justinh> | aye all SD |
| 04:16 | <rgravener> | dedicated system? |
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| 04:30 | <rgravener> | ahh crap forgot wasn't in users |
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| 04:54 | <justinh> | I'm keeping my blood pressure down by staying out of there for a bit |
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| 05:49 | <gbee> | justinh: mchou got me going yesterday by claiming that none of the mythtv OSDs were as pretty/legible as the tivo ones and then refusing to conceed he was wrong when someone posted screenshots of tivo (which is ugly compared to some OSD themes) |
| 05:50 | <justinh> | so he's an asshole. what else is new |
| 05:53 | <justinh> | and yeah there are some butt ugly OSDs & UIs out there in embedded land |
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| 06:01 | <stuarta> | justinh: embedded and pretty don't go together |
| 06:01 | <stuarta> | how a few nice text graphics aren't bad in the embedded world :) |
| 06:01 | <justinh> | iPoo kinda disproves that I think |
| 06:01 | <stuarta> | that's consumer electronics |
| 06:02 | <stuarta> | when i think embedded i think machines that do stuff like packaging. |
| 06:02 | [~] | stuarta goes back to DIY |
| 06:02 | <justinh> | I think of anything that runs software pre-loaded, burnt into firmware as embedded |
| 06:03 | <stuarta> | agree |
| 06:03 | <justinh> | Sky's OSD etc really sucks IMHO |
| 06:03 | <justinh> | they need a theme designer :D |
| 06:04 | <stuarta> | he |
| 06:04 | <justinh> | actually the Dbox2 has an alright UI & OSD (same thing really). same is true of the Dreambox |
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| 10:04 | <janneg> | gbee: inactive categories in the watch recording aren't truncated. I've no idea if it's a theme bug or mythtv's fault but I haven't noticed it with other themes |
| 10:06 | <gbee> | janneg: thanks, I'll take a look |
| 10:06 | <janneg> | displaying the callsign as alternative if no channel icon is found would be nice |
| 10:06 | <gbee> | ok |
| 10:06 | <janneg> | but I guess someone has to implement it |
| 10:07 | <justinh> | janneg: as in.. if the icon is there, show just the icon? I wouldn't mind that |
| 10:08 | <janneg> | yes, and if the icon is missing show the callsign there |
| 10:08 | <janneg> | s/there/at the same place/ |
| 10:09 | [~] | justinh looks at his dev box in bits on the floor. no patch from me for that |
| 10:10 | <janneg> | I guess you could display both and draw the icon over the callsign but that would break for transparent icons |
| 10:11 | <justinh> | maybe a setting for it? I know.. groan! another setting.. |
| 10:20 | <janneg> | it is not solveable with settings, someone just have to code it |
| 10:21 | <justinh> | no I mean code it and have another setting.. i.e. "show icon in place of callsign if present" |
| 10:25 | <janneg> | justinh: I would lie that decission in the hand of the theme developers. they may display both, icons with alternate callsign, icon, callsign or just the channel number |
| 10:26 | <justinh> | wonder what happens without the callsign now.. |
| 10:26 | <janneg> | I fear we need another theme element for icon with alternate callsign |
| 10:26 | <justinh> | segfaulty? |
| 10:27 | <janneg> | no, metallurgy works fine without callsign |
| 10:28 | <justinh> | what about just a type tag for the icon/callsign area instead? |
| 10:28 | <justinh> | e.g. 'type="callsignwithicon", type="callsign", type="icon" |
| 10:29 | <justinh> | come to think about it, there are a few areas that could benefit from having the choice of image and/or text |
| 10:29 | <justinh> | mythmusic buttons for one |
| 10:31 | <justinh> | this has just reminded me I still need to scribble some notes to bear in mind when doing the mythui port (for whoever does it) |
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| 11:48 | <gbee> | justinh: did you ever find a 'digital clock' font? |
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| 11:52 | <janneg> | gbee: 8 segment display? |
| 11:52 | <gbee> | janneg: yes |
| 11:54 | <gbee> | might help with this icon: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/guide.png |
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| 11:59 | <janneg> | gbee: http://www.twyman.org.uk/Fonts/ |
| 12:00 | <justinh> | 7 segment, not eight :) |
| 12:00 | <oobe> | hi i know this is not a support channel but i thought someone might know where i can find a script like imdb.pl but for tv episodes i been looking everywhere |
| 12:01 | <justinh> | oobe: topic |
| 12:01 | <justinh> | this is not #heyIdidn'tgetananswerinmythtv-users |
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| 12:02 | <justinh> | gbee: got some nice dot matrix fonts from dafont(something).com |
| 12:02 | <oobe> | yeah i know that's why i i phrased my question the way i did i was trying to be polite im not asking for technical support just if someone knows about a good script |
| 12:02 | <justinh> | mixture of licences on there |
| 12:04 | <janneg> | justinh: I've never counted and I guess the 8 comes from all on character |
| 12:04 | <gbee> | justinh: thanks |
| 12:05 | <justinh> | janneg: heheh fairy nuff |
| 12:05 | <gbee> | thought the eigth segment from from the occassional diagonal line in zero |
| 12:05 | <justinh> | gbee: those are called something else. starbusrt IIRC |
| 12:06 | <gbee> | right, well thanks anyway - had a better idea for the guide icon, not sure if I'll use the font now, but at least I know where to find one if I change my mind |
| 12:08 | <justinh> | I never did get around to trying mythmusic with a dot matrix font |
| 12:08 | <justinh> | does mythtv look in the theme dir for fonts or do they need to be installed 'properly' ? |
| 12:09 | <justinh> | http://www.dafont.com/transponder-aoe.font - what you had in mind, gbee? |
| 12:10 | <gbee> | justinh: somewhere between that and 7 segment, just getting myself confused I guess :) |
| 12:11 | <justinh> | nice name for this one.. 'fake receipt' |
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| 12:13 | <gbee> | lmao |
| 12:15 | <gbee> | justinh: look at how QT looks for fonts, but my guess is that they need to be properly installed, shouldn't be hard to change that though by adding a "filename" element to the font xml in mythui |
| 12:15 | <justinh> | don't think it's worth it yet |
| 12:16 | <justinh> | there's all sorts of permissions malarkey if I want to use one of those fonts |
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| 14:18 | <gbee> | updated preview released, hopefully fixes the problem janneg was seeing and includes a few more watermarks - http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html#Download |
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| 14:51 | <janneg> | lol: scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 194 items in 4840.4 = 4839.11 match + 1.28 place |
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| 15:11 | <nsaspook> | What are normal sheduler times? With latest svn my results are: 2007-11-24 12:02:33.369 Scheduled 1801 items in 31.6 = 8.39 match + 23.19 place |
| 15:17 | <janneg> | depends on the number and type of recording rules, number of capture cards, ... |
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| 15:43 | <nsaspook> | with 12 cards, 387299 program rows , 2273 channels, 963 recorded programs: 30 seconds seems fairly good. What table(s) would the type and number recording rules be found? |
| 15:44 | <xris> | "record" ? |
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| 17:32 | <al3x4ndr3> | I want to know if MythTV use Linux DVB API v4 ..can anyone anwser me? |
| 17:32 | <gbee> | janneg: still seeing the auto-expire problem, i.e. it's not auto-expiring anything |
| 17:57 | <janneg> | gbee: please paste a log with -v file |
| 17:57 | <janneg> | al3x4ndr3: no, it uses API v3 |
| 17:58 | <janneg> | nsaspook: the system status screen shows the number of record rules |
| 18:00 | <gbee> | janneg: np |
| 18:01 | <gbee> | just rebuilding with a distclean to be absolutely sure |
| 18:05 | <gbee> | might also take me a while because I deleted a lot of stuff manually since the frontend/backend became unresponsive when it ran out of space |
| 18:06 | <gbee> | I'll need to create a few recordings that can be safely expired (if it works) |
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| 18:27 | <rooau1> | janneg: Do you have an opinion on expiring recordings from the "Deleted Group" in FIFO order? |
| 18:32 | <janneg> | rooau1: are they expired in starttime order? |
| 18:33 | <rooau1> | I think so, it is a while since I looked at the code. |
| 18:34 | <janneg> | gbee: I'm going to bed now and won't come back before tomorrow evening |
| 18:37 | <gbee> | janneg: np, no hurry |
| 18:37 | <janneg> | rooau1: Is it really important? I don't use auto expire instead of delete and I try to have enough space on my discs to avoid the auto expirer |
| 18:37 | <janneg> | goodnight |
| 18:38 | <gbee> | night |
| 18:38 | <gbee> | goodnight even |
| 18:38 | <rooau1> | janneg: I usually have plenty of space as well, a couple of people have run into unexpected behaviour though. I can work up small patches like this so thought I might try. |
| 18:38 | <rooau1> | Goodnight. |
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| 18:51 | <hads> | gbee: Your Metallurgy alpha is very nice. Well done. |
| 18:51 | <gbee> | hads: thanks |
| 18:53 | <hads> | You're quite possibly aware already but in watch recordings I see some text overflow on the right of the category box. |
| 18:54 | <hads> | (with long program names) |
| 18:55 | <gbee> | hads: which version? thought I'd fixed that with the latest version |
| 18:55 | <gbee> | janneg reported the same issue |
| 18:55 | <hads> | Sorry didn't notice there was an update. |
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| 18:57 | <hads> | Yes, definitly fixed already. |
| 18:58 | <gbee> | hads: no problem, I couldn't resist pushing out an update so soon :) |
| 18:58 | <rooau1> | gbee: The clock on the main menu overflows as well, do you know about this or want a screen shot? |
| 18:58 | <hads> | :) Love the OSD by the way, very crisp. |
| 18:59 | <rooau1> | ah hang on, I didn't clear my theme cache, checking again now... |
| 19:00 | <gbee> | rooau1: I know about that, but it only happens at 4:3 resolutions? |
| 19:00 | <rooau1> | cool, 1680x1050 on my laptop. |
| 19:01 | <gbee> | I've not implemented the small/big fonts yet, so that could possibly fix any text which isn't fitting inside the textareas |
| 19:01 | <gbee> | but I'll see if I can tweak the default clock font size to reduce the possibility of it overflowing |
| 19:02 | <rooau1> | np, IIRC the font scaling no longer needs X to be running 100dpi, is that correct? |
| 19:02 | <gbee> | oh, I have done the big/small sizes for the clock font ... |
| 19:04 | <gbee> | rooau1: so I'm told, but I don't know if that is true for all fonts - those loaded by libmythui, libmyth and the OSD |
| 19:04 | <rooau1> | running at 129x126dpi, I will force 100dpi and recheck if you like? |
| 19:05 | <gbee> | rooau1: that would be useful to know, thanks |
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| 19:08 | <gbee> | somehow the OSD came out better looking than the rest of the theme, if I could see how it would work, then I'd go back and redo the theme to match ;) |
| 19:17 | <gbee> | justinh: just had a look at QT4s SVG support, could offer the option to use SVG in themes and so no more ugly scaling artifacts |
| 19:18 | <justinh> | I'd love to see how gl scales textures on the fly |
| 19:20 | <gbee> | lets you render SVG direct to QImage, would be extremely easy to implement in mythui, at the prescaling phase we'd render the SVG to a PNG of the right size instead of rescaling a jpg/png/gif |
| 19:21 | <justinh> | well, if bling & effects are called for at any time some real-time scaling would be cool to have |
| 19:22 | <rooau1> | The OSD doesn't scale to the full 1680x1050 on my laptop, not sure why. I wonder if this has anything to do with the squashed OSD fonts, the OSD is around 1515 or so pixels wide. |
| 19:22 | <rooau1> | http://www.users.on.net/~camel/mythtv/ss/osd/ |
| 19:23 | <gbee> | no idea how fast loading and rendering SVG would be with QT, if it's fast enough, then we could do away with the prescaling phase |
| 19:23 | <justinh> | yeah but.. being limited to pure vectors is er.. limiting |
| 19:24 | <gbee> | freemono ... *shudder* |
| 19:24 | <justinh> | and if the svg had gaussian blur.. I can't imagine that being speedy |
| 19:25 | <gbee> | not suggesting replacing the existing stuff with vector-only themes, just offering the possibility of using vector images to get better quality images |
| 19:25 | <rooau1> | gbee: This is just my laptop, that is a dummy capture card, don't actually use it for anything but testing :) |
| 19:26 | <justinh> | well, just cos it's a vector doesn't mean it's better ;) seen some bloody awful svg icons in my quest to find stuff to pinch for my themes |
| 19:26 | <justinh> | I know what your angle is though, and I agree |
| 19:26 | <justinh> | svg can include bitmaps too FWIW |
| 19:27 | <justinh> | gbee: take it to its logical extension. svg is xml, right.. theme layouts are xml... |
| 19:28 | <gbee> | rooau1: so it happens to all OSDs? - 1680x1050 is an odd aspect, it probably doesn't know what to do with it |
| 19:28 | <gbee> | justinh: heh |
| 19:29 | <gbee> | at least you know what I'm getting at, that it's the scaling which SVG does well and which would most benefit themes in mythtv |
| 19:29 | <rooau1> | gbee: Yeah, tried a couple of different OSDs. Only noticed it on the laptop, but many monitors that people use now would be 1680x1050. |
| 19:30 | <gbee> | rooau1: mind opening a ticket for that? |
| 19:30 | <gbee> | don't think I'll get to look at it this weekend, but maybe someone else will be able to |
| 19:30 | <justinh> | gbee: unless the bitmaps start life as 1280x720 :D |
| 19:31 | <justinh> | blootube-stupidlywide |
| 19:31 | <gbee> | justinh: yeah, if you use embedded bitmaps then you'll not see the benefits - thought tracing them might work if they are simple enough |
| 19:31 | <rooau1> | gbee: No probs, is there any further info I should attach? I will have a bit of a look over the code at some point and see if I can spot anything. |
| 19:32 | <justinh> | gbee: tracing sucks. been there, tried that |
| 19:32 | <gbee> | rooau1: did that happen before my recent OSD changes in svn? [14933] |
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| 19:33 | <hads> | gbee: Just noticed a commercial notification that said "Commercial: 3:2" |
| 19:33 | <gbee> | justinh: it does suck, though I've managed to get reasonable results a couple of times by increasing the number of passes to a very high figure |
| 19:33 | <hads> | Let me check with another OSD |
| 19:35 | <rooau1> | I think I noticed when looking at glass-wide OSD when it was released, didn't think anything of it then. I thought the OSD wasn't meant to go full width, keeping SS up to date sucks. Didn't notice any font kerning probs then though. |
| 19:35 | <hads> | Yes it appears to only be the Metallurgy OSD with that issue. |
| 19:36 | <rooau1> | hads: Interesting, Retro does it here as well. What res you using? |
| 19:37 | <hads> | rooau1: I didn't try retro actually. This is on a widescreen CRT, 720x576 |
| 19:38 | <gbee> | hads: I don't use the commercial flagger, so I'm not sure what the problem is that you are describing? |
| 19:39 | <hads> | gbee: It's just an OSD popup with the current position indicator. I'll see if I can find the issue myself. |
| 19:39 | <gbee> | ok |
| 19:39 | <rooau1> | lemme restart X and make sure I have messed anything up with xrandr... |
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| 19:40 | <gbee> | maybe I should setup a couple of flagging jobs |
| 19:46 | <gbee> | err, free space calculations are completely screwed on my backend at the moment, apparently I've only got one driver with over 2 million TB free |
| 19:46 | <gbee> | s/driver/driver/ |
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| 19:51 | <justinh> | gbee - you've had a visit from that future dude again mate. he must've left his atom-arranging HDD plugged into a spare usb port when he came back to get the source for Metallurgy (which proves to be pivotal in the battle against the machines) |
| 19:52 | <gbee> | you should sell the film rights to that story ;) |
| 19:52 | <rooaus> | lol |
| 19:53 | <justinh> | <deepvoiceover>Stuart, a rookie theme designer suddenly finds his mythtv storage has inexplicably grown beyond the realms of current technology and finds himself in a battle which will change the future of humankind. FOREVER" |
| 19:54 | <justinh> | wtf did all that come from. oh man. I shouldn't be mixing dance music at this time of night. does things to the mind |
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| 19:56 | <gbee> | hehe |
| 19:58 | <gbee> | see that advert flagging works just as well as it did the last few times I tried, badly |
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| 20:06 | <jams> | gbee any idea how difficult it would be to add a tag to theme.xml so that menu txt is not displayed. |
| 20:07 | <jams> | setting it to 1 used to work, but seems they get bumped up now. |
| 20:08 | <gbee> | by menu text, you mean the "Watch TV" etc? |
| 20:08 | <jams> | yep |
| 20:08 | <jams> | i'm using images instead of text. |
| 20:09 | <gbee> | pretty easy I guess |
| 20:09 | <gbee> | jams: well as long as the images don't contain text, or you aren't bothered by translations, then it's doable |
| 20:10 | <jams> | yeah i'm aware of translations, and don't care about it |
| 20:10 | <jams> | and i don't want to display txt on the images. |
| 20:10 | <jams> | the images are the txt |
| 20:10 | <jams> | text |
| 20:10 | <gbee> | jams: ok, I'll take a look at the best way of handling that |
| 20:10 | <jams> | thank you |
| 20:11 | <gbee> | I'd probably just set it so that omitting the <text> and <activetext> elements mean that no text is displayed |
| 20:11 | <jams> | i tried setting the font size to 0, but something checks for that and increases the font size |
| 20:11 | <gbee> | but let me look at the code first |
| 20:13 | <jams> | heh i just deleted the text and activetext blocks, and it seems to work |
| 20:14 | <jams> | yeah it's working..thanks gbee |
| 20:14 | <jams> | now thats service! |
| 20:15 | <gbee> | telepathic manipulation of the code. It's a gift of mine ;) |
| 20:15 | <jams> | i was fully expecting a segfault |
| 20:15 | <gbee> | you should probably thank Chutt since it seems he anticipated this scenario |
| 20:17 | <jams> | i shall |
| 20:18 | <jams> | looking nice, hopefully people will enjoy the updated version of midnight |
| 20:18 | <justinh> | btw gbee did you see the gadget show this week? nice prizes again |
| 20:19 | <gbee> | haven't watched it yet |
| 20:19 | <gbee> | still haven't got over my disappointment of not winning last time |
| 20:19 | <justinh> | saturday's edition has the woman at a rave dancing on half the picture all the way through |
| 20:19 | <gbee> | nice |
| 20:20 | <justinh> | but I need another tuner to be able to record it on mondays |
| 20:22 | <gbee> | cool, found a recording where flagging found the start of the programme - first time I've ever seen it markup anything correctly |
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| 20:22 | <justinh> | are all those lovely 'playback' flags in the stream yet? |
| 20:23 | <gbee> | they are supposed to be, the gadget show was trialling a capable DVR last week which suggests it's gone live |
| 20:24 | <rooaus> | gbee: Saw this in my log "2007-11-25 12:13:38.825 OSD Theme Dimensions W: 1280 H: 720 | 2007-11-25 12:13:38.839 Error: already have a font called: small" using metallurgy OSD. |
| 20:27 | <gbee> | rooaus: thanks, fixed, don't think it will cause a problem though |
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| 20:29 | <rooaus> | np |
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| 20:52 | <rooaus> | gbee: See the same OSD scaling issue with r14932 FYI. |
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| 23:17 | <map777> | When debugging mythtv plugins in kdevelop should we add them as a sub project? |
| 23:21 | <xris> | map777: that's probably up to your personal preference. |
| 23:26 | <map777> | How do we get our development version of mythtv to search for our plugin libraries in a different directory? |
| 23:36 | <map777> | xris is there a better way to debug plugins than symlink our development plugin shared object to /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins? |
| 23:40 | <xris> | map777: I just edit the files.... vim, nano, jedit, etc. |
| 23:41 | <GreyFoxx> | same here, and I just do a make install inbetween compiles |
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| 23:41 | <GreyFoxx> | if it's one of the regular libs I use LD_PRELOAD to load mine rather than the installed libmythtv or whichever |
| 23:41 | <xris> | I build an rpm from the code to install.. easier to uninstall that way |
| 23:41 | <xris> | heh |
| 23:43 | <map777> | do you use gdm command line or via a gui? |
| 23:43 | <GreyFoxx> | commandline most of the time |
| 23:43 | <GreyFoxx> | sometimes I'll use kdbg |
| 23:43 | <GreyFoxx> | but usually just gdb at thge commandline |
| 23:44 | <GreyFoxx> | I assume you meant gdb and not gdm |
| 23:47 | <map777> | yes i did |
| 23:49 | <jams> | GreyFoxx- any ideas on how to send a "mouse click" from the command line? |
| 23:50 | <GreyFoxx> | hmmmm can;t say I've ever seen anyone send one via a cmdline util |
| 23:51 | <jams> | or more to the point, a command line utility that will let me take a snapshot of the current window |
| 23:51 | <GreyFoxx> | import -window root file.jpg |
| 23:51 | <GreyFoxx> | or file.png |
| 23:51 | <GreyFoxx> | after you set the DISPLAY variable of course :) |
| 23:51 | <jams> | that gets only the current window? |
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| 23:51 | <jams> | let me try |
| 23:51 | <GreyFoxx> | nope, the -window root gets the whole thing |
| 23:52 | <jams> | ah i want only the current window |
| 23:52 | <GreyFoxx> | but you can specify specific windows |
| 23:52 | <GreyFoxx> | so without the -window root it might get just current |
| 23:53 | <jams> | nope it sits there wiating for me to click on something |
| 23:54 | <jams> | let me try with the window id |
| 23:55 | <jams> | first i need to find out how to find the window id |
| 23:56 | <jams> | there we go |
| 23:57 | <jams> | well close enough i suppose, thanks GreyFoxx |
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