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| 02:03 | <mzb_d800> | the last revision of mythzoneminder refuses to build for me |
| 02:03 | <mzb_d800> | Changeset 14908 for trunk/mythplugins/mythzoneminder/mythzoneminder/zmevents.cpp |
| 02:04 | <mzb_d800> | have I missed something obvious? |
| 02:05 | <mzb_d800> | I guess I'd better do a complete build for sanity :| |
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| 04:44 | <stuarta> | how went the open ticket cleanup over the weekend? |
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| 04:45 | <justinh> | judging by all the mail from -commits, plenty well |
| 04:45 | <stuarta> | 112 msgs to go... |
| 04:47 | <justinh> | I got the bones of my new FE worky over the weekend. got some wiki-ing to do to hopefully save some poor sod stumbling in the dark like I did |
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| 04:48 | <stuarta> | not too bad tho was it? |
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| 05:14 | <justinh> | was very frustrating - all the info not in the docs, spread out all over the bloody place |
| 05:14 | <justinh> | still though - managed to get the svideo output perfectly centred & scaled :) |
| 05:15 | <stuarta> | so what stuff did you assemble it from? |
| 05:19 | <justinh> | core2 duo mobile 1.83Ghz, 1GB ddr2 so-dimm & an aopen i945gmm-hl motherboard |
| 05:19 | <stuarta> | integrated video? |
| 05:19 | <justinh> | have to say the intel driver docs are terrible insomuch that they don't tell you about the xrandr options |
| 05:20 | <justinh> | i945 video. plays h.264 720p with amplomb |
| 05:20 | <stuarta> | nice |
| 05:24 | <justinh> | not sure about the AVC stuff yet though - need to find some clips |
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| 05:50 | <justinh> | wow microdirect have freeview pvrs for under £50 |
| 05:50 | <stuarta> | hmmm |
| 05:58 | <justinh> | dual tuner ones too. tempted to buy my folks one for xmas |
| 05:58 | <justinh> | hahaha you can theme the Digifusion efforts! tempting |
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| 06:16 | <stuarta> | justinh: did the mention you can't fit as much bling in it? |
| 06:18 | <justinh> | yeh but.. at least there's some scope |
| 06:21 | <stuarta> | some of those boxes have horrendous UI's |
| 06:23 | <justinh> | only some? I'd have said most |
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| 06:25 | [~] | stuarta agrees |
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| 08:37 | <gbee> | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newmyth_idea9.png |
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| 09:32 | <gbee> | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newmyth_idea10.png |
| 10:06 | <stuarta> | no boot for salty then |
| 10:06 | <stuarta> | dammit, wrong window |
| 10:11 | <gbee> | heh |
| 10:13 | <stuarta> | i blame being lagged to buggery |
| 10:17 | <stuarta> | not done that for years. |
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| 10:59 | <gbee> | mockup in html - http://miffteevee.co.uk/newmyth.html |
| 10:59 | <gbee> | pity that firefox renders those corners so poorly |
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| 12:31 | <skamithi> | gbee u online ? |
| 12:32 | <gbee> | skamithi: yeah |
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| 12:33 | <skamithi> | on the playbackbox window, when i switch from one filter to another, is there an option to show me which filter i'm in ? if not what do u think of changing the "select recordings to watch" message on the top to actually display what filter you are in ? |
| 12:34 | <gbee> | skamithi: pretty sure there is no such option, but I can double check |
| 12:34 | <skamithi> | since u are a UI man, thought i'm run that by you. |
| 12:35 | <gbee> | skamithi: that change is fine by me, although not all themes use that textarea (mine doesn't) |
| 12:36 | <justinh> | skamithi: s'ok by me too. never much cared for that since the user generally knows which area they're in |
| 12:36 | <gbee> | the instructional message "select recordings to watch" is unnecessary and we don't use similar messages in the rest of mythtv, |
| 12:38 | <skamithi> | okay: i'll look into changing that and seeing if anyone complains.thx |
| 12:51 | <gbee> | justinh: added support for background containers in mythflix |
| 12:52 | <justinh> | never had a stab at theming that. don't see any point seen as I can't use it |
| 12:52 | <justinh> | like mythphone |
| 12:54 | <gbee> | it's almost identical to mythnews, looks like they just copied mythnews and stuck in a couple of extra textareas and a window |
| 12:55 | <gbee> | even the container names are the same - I just copied my mythnews theme over and adapted it, took 5 minutes |
| 12:55 | <jams> | yeah i was very happy to theme mythflix, very simple. |
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| 13:02 | <gbee> | the only problem with theming mythflix is that it's not possible to test the changes properly unless you have a netflix account |
| 13:02 | <jams> | heh..i now have a mythflix account because of that plugin |
| 13:03 | <gbee> | not an option for me in the UK :) |
| 13:04 | <gbee> | I did have a Screen Select account, but that's not gonna work :p |
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| 13:13 | <justinh> | yeah I did _try_ when I last updated blootube etc |
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| 13:13 | <justinh> | hrm now either this remote's batteries are failing or there's not enough drive out of the serial port |
| 13:14 | <edge> | Can my MythTV box send , commands to a cable box, provided by my Cable company? |
| 13:14 | <jams> | edge try mythtv-users |
| 13:14 | <justinh> | edge: they might know in #mythtv-users |
| 13:14 | <edge> | my sincerest appologies, i ment to join that |
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| 13:28 | <gbee> | hmm, unable to mount this DVD, apparently since the last time I did it udf support has gone missing |
| 13:29 | <justinh> | that reminds me :) |
| 13:29 | [~] | laga wonders if mythtv can read UDF formatted isos |
| 13:37 | <gbee> | weird, never had this problem before but apparently support has disappeared from the kernel |
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| 13:42 | <gbee> | any ideas how I can cutdown a DVD to just the menus for debugging? |
| 13:42 | <gbee> | guess skamithi would know |
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| 13:51 | <janneg> | gbee: selective copying from the VIDEO_TS folder, ignore all VOB except the first |
| 13:52 | <gbee> | janneg: thanks, knew it would be something like that, but wasn't sure which of the files I needed to keep the menu functional but leave out the main video |
| 13:53 | <gbee> | just need to mount this DVD now, any ideas what's needed to get UDF support back? :) |
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| 15:17 | <gbee> | testing mythflix is interesting in as much as there are clear differences between the USA and UK - Netflix's top 20 films contains nothing but films made in the last 3/4 years, which might not be a suprise assuming that their top 100 is based on number of rentals but what is suprising is most of them are closer to 3 years old than being recent releases |
| 15:19 | <gbee> | all of the films could be described as blockbusters, no smaller films or independents |
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| 15:26 | <justinh> | same in the UK generally though I'd bet |
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| 15:28 | <justinh> | oh man I hate having to use nero |
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| 15:49 | <gbee> | justinh: not really, though it's been a few months since I gave up my subscription, I was seeing a different pattern with ScreenSelect (aka LoveFilm) |
| 15:50 | <justinh> | I was thinking more in terms of highstreet rentals so there ya go ;) |
| 15:50 | <justinh> | I'm just as guilty I think... never watch films I've never heard of |
| 15:51 | <gbee> | justinh: maybe only film buffs rent DVDs online in this country :) |
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| 15:52 | <gbee> | when ScreenSelect re-branded as LoveFilm, I had to wonder why no-one at the company pointed out that it made them sound like an Adult Film distributor :) |
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| 15:59 | <gbee> | wonder if we're going to see xris tonight |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | it's still 'today' in the us :p |
| 16:06 | <gbee> | true ;) |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | what's your latest on the website? |
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| 16:06 | <gbee> | one possibility - http://miffteevee.co.uk/newmyth.html |
| 16:06 | <gbee> | just taking xris' original idea and stretching it out |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | that looks loads nicer. |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | well, aside from the button highlighting is broken. =) |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | i liked your rounded borders more, though :p |
| 16:06 | <gbee> | Chutt: that mockup includes rounded borders, but they only work in Firefox - the broken highlight seems to only happen in Opera for me |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | konq, here. |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | yeah, looks nicer in firefox |
| 16:06 | <gbee> | maybe it was konq then, tried Opera, Konq and Firefox |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | still fairly blocky corners |
| 16:07 | <Chutt> | and the 'Contact developers' link overlaps =) |
| 16:07 | <gbee> | Chutt: we can make the corner bits images to work in all browsers, just a little more involved - I'd prefer it but xris is doing the html/css side of things so I'll ask his opinion |
| 16:07 | <Captain_Murdoch> | looks fairly nice here, /me's only complaint is the width. corners are a little block and the link overlaps for me also. |
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| 16:12 | [~] | janneg hates lirc and inputlirc |
| 16:12 | <janneg> | does anything speak against reading /dev/input directly? |
| 16:12 | <janneg> | except that someone has to implement it? |
| 16:13 | <Chutt> | gbee, what font are you specifying? |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | just 'Helvetica'? |
| 16:15 | <gbee> | Chutt: in the mockup images I'm using Bitstream Vera Sans, but xris is using Helvetica with a fallback to sans-serif in the html |
| 16:15 | <Chutt> | my 'Helvetica' is a non-truetype font |
| 16:15 | <Chutt> | which makes it all ugly |
| 16:16 | <jams> | those rounded corners are a nice touch, but I think it still looked good in opera. |
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| 16:17 | <Chutt> | just plain 'sans-serif' looks nice. |
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| 16:22 | <gbee> | image from the inkscape mockup - http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newmyth_idea11.png |
| 16:24 | <gbee> | the screenshots are little on the small size, but I reckon we need at least one screenshot or image on the main page which visually illustrates what MythTV is |
| 16:25 | <gbee> | xris hasn't seen any of this yet, so I've no idea what he thinks - looked like this before: http://newmyth.forevermore.net/ |
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| 16:52 | <stuarta> | janneg: you wouldn't step on the toes of X by reading /dev/input direct would you? |
| 16:55 | <gbee> | the lircrc portion of lirc is entirely avoidable, which makes things a _little_ easier |
| 16:55 | <gbee> | but lirc can still be pain to use |
| 16:56 | <stuarta> | reinventing the wheel comes to mind |
| 16:56 | <stuarta> | is this all about making remotes easier? |
| 16:56 | <gbee> | yeah, not sure I'd agree that reading input directly is such a good idea, but removing the need for lircrc could make setup simpler |
| 16:57 | <stuarta> | we should first look at what j-rod and the other myth distro makers do |
| 16:57 | <stuarta> | pull back stuff they've done for making remote configuration easier |
| 16:58 | <laga> | superm1 and foxbuntu made a nice script to map lircd buttons to actions |
| 16:58 | <stuarta> | and go from there. |
| 16:58 | <laga> | works for mythtv, xine, vlc and 2-3 other apps. works surprisingly well |
| 16:58 | <stuarta> | it'll be far easier than trying to rewrite lirc |
| 16:58 | <stuarta> | that's a rainy day project. |
| 16:58 | <jams> | gbee- understandable, just curious what you thought. |
| 16:59 | <stuarta> | #define rainy_day() = myth_version() > 0.50 |
| 17:01 | <gbee> | laga: those scripts while nice, duplicate what MythControls does, getting Mythfrontend to accept raw button presses from lirc and then assign them to actions in MythControls would make a much better integrated solution |
| 17:01 | <laga> | gbee: true. |
| 17:01 | <laga> | gbee: there have been a few patches which do just that, but i'm afraid you already know that :) |
| 17:01 | <gbee> | it's really not that hard, but it's just not high enough priority for me to have worked on it |
| 17:02 | <laga> | gbee: it'd be important to be able to specify repeat and delay rates |
| 17:02 | <gbee> | laga: I know, those tickets are assigned to me since I was interested in the idea, but anyone is welcome to take them from me |
| 17:02 | <janneg> | readree22 |
| 17:02 | <GreyFoxx> | What would be nifty would be a remote "Editor" which can learn and or configure buttons directly without needing an lircrc. With presaved ones available in a dropdown |
| 17:02 | <janneg> | damn lag |
| 17:03 | <stuarta> | GreyFoxx: the myth distro maintainers have done a good job on the pre defined side of things |
| 17:03 | <GreyFoxx> | yeah |
| 17:04 | <stuarta> | hence why i was suggesting looking at their stuff. |
| 17:04 | <gbee> | GreyFoxx: that's what I've got in mind, but although it would make a great addition, I can't summon up the enthusiasm to work on it right now |
| 17:04 | <laga> | GreyFoxx: we were planning such a thing for mythbuntu, but time seems to be a rare commodity these days :) |
| 17:04 | <stuarta> | i'll lend you my enthusiasm, if i can borrow your time |
| 17:04 | <GreyFoxx> | \heh |
| 17:04 | <gbee> | hehe |
| 17:05 | <janneg> | lircrc is a pain but my current annoyance with inputlirc is that it does report number keys |
| 17:05 | <gbee> | stuarta: not so much time either with this theme, helping xris with the site and the UI work I want to get done |
| 17:06 | <laga> | janneg: you can tune inputlirc's behavior |
| 17:06 | <stuarta> | i might have some time in about 3-4 months :( |
| 17:08 | <janneg> | laga: thanks, it has a setting for the minimum key code it reports |
| 17:09 | <janneg> | the default value is 88 which is just stupid if I tell it to grab the device |
| 17:09 | <janneg> | i.e. it is the only process which will get events |
| 17:15 | <clever> | GreyFoxx: adding support to the mythcontrols plugin to tweak lirc would help |
| 17:16 | <clever> | some way to lable the keys on irc and link them up normaly |
| 17:16 | <clever> | lirc* |
| 17:16 | <stuarta> | ugh, that configure's a bit verbose. |
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| 17:16 | <stuarta> | i don't have fribidi, but there's no need for the output from pkg-config |
| 17:17 | <stuarta> | saying exactly that. |
| 17:17 | <clever> | the addition to mythcontrols could ask you to hit a few buttons for the basic interface then let you add/lable the rest as you want |
| 17:19 | [~] | stuarta suspects 'nice -19 make' could take a while |
| 17:20 | <stuarta> | especially with an ffmpeg conversion and a commflag happening |
| 17:20 | <gbee> | jams: if you thought mythflix and mythnews were easy to them, mythcontrols is one small window |
| 17:20 | <clever> | depends on how much else your doing |
| 17:20 | <clever> | try time nice -19 make |
| 17:20 | <clever> | :P |
| 17:20 | <stuarta> | i have :P |
| 17:20 | <gnome42> | stuarta: nice is waaaay more potent in recent kernels (2.6.23+) |
| 17:20 | <stuarta> | after a distclean and all... |
| 17:20 | <laga> | gnome42: due to CFS? |
| 17:20 | <clever> | ccache also in effect |
| 17:20 | <clever> | ? |
| 17:21 | <gnome42> | laga: yeah |
| 17:21 | <stuarta> | always ccache, but 2.6.23 nah.... |
| 17:21 | <clever> | cfs? |
| 17:21 | <stuarta> | the stuff that usually flies past with ccache is taking plenty of time. |
| 17:22 | <clever> | the svnversion call in make and makeinstall seems to be the major slowdown |
| 17:22 | <laga> | clever: completely fair scheduler by ingo molnar |
| 17:22 | <jams> | gbee- correct it's also easy, so easy i forget it's there! |
| 17:22 | <clever> | ah |
| 17:22 | <stuarta> | ooo cfs sounds nice. |
| 17:23 | <stuarta> | the scheduler has been bugging me for the last 1-2 years |
| 17:23 | <stuarta> | which is why i run deadline iirc |
| 17:23 | <clever> | 2.6.22 and 2.6.20 on most of my systems |
| 17:23 | [~] | laga is running 2.6.24-rc3 with the latest CFS patches |
| 17:23 | <laga> | but i never tried it under load ;) |
| 17:24 | <stuarta> | i'd love to know what interactive performance is like with the box under load |
| 17:24 | <stuarta> | that's my benchmark |
| 17:24 | <gnome42> | janneg: Have you heard any reports or preview gen. going awry? It looks like it sometimes slurps in the entire file and doesn't generate a preview. |
| 17:25 | <gnome42> | s/or/of/ |
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| 17:26 | <gnome42> | stuarta: I had the same complaints, it's much improved with CFS :) |
| 17:27 | <jams> | stuarta- mythdora/knoppmyt just shuffle a known set set of lircrc files around. Heck thats even what i do but with a myth interface. |
| 17:27 | <GreyFoxx> | gnome42: Actually I noticed that today |
| 17:27 | <GreyFoxx> | any recordings from my dvb card have preview shows, any from my pvr cards are blank |
| 17:27 | <stuarta> | jams: i'd happily use that as a starting point in core myth |
| 17:28 | <jams> | heh ok. |
| 17:28 | <jams> | stuarta- something like http://mythvantage.com/e107_plugins/autogallery/autogallery.php?show=MythVantage_screenshots%2Fhostype1.png |
| 17:28 | <gnome42> | GreyFoxx: heh, You're not running any of my other patches are you? :) |
| 17:29 | <GreyFoxx> | nope |
| 17:29 | <GreyFoxx> | I noticed when I was in mythweb earlier |
| 17:29 | <GreyFoxx> | even forcing regeneration gets the same results |
| 17:29 | <GreyFoxx> | haven't had time to look much further |
| 17:29 | <gnome42> | GreyFoxx: hmm, ok, maybe I'm not the only one then. Only happens rarely for me. |
| 17:30 | <GreyFoxx> | yay http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/15033 |
| 17:31 | <GreyFoxx> | gnome42: I hope to look into it in the next day or so |
| 17:31 | <gnome42> | GreyFoxx: great! |
| 17:32 | <stuarta> | jams: yes, i'd love stuff like that to be part of core myth |
| 17:33 | <gnome42> | stuarta, GreyFoxx: also burying those compile jobs with schedtool -B -e ... seems to help |
| 17:33 | <stuarta> | i'm not that fussed :) |
| 17:33 | <stuarta> | just want the ffmpeg conversion to finish first |
| 17:34 | <janneg> | gnome42: no, or maybe but I'd first blame all problems with preview generation to my missing seektable for some files |
| 17:34 | <GreyFoxx> | stuarta: I was thinking it would be neat if myth came with several remote "profiles" and they could be updated via http |
| 17:34 | <GreyFoxx> | pulling from the same place as the icons go now |
| 17:35 | <janneg> | gnome42: with or withou daniels preview gen. changes from today? |
| 17:35 | <GreyFoxx> | then a user could run mythtv-setup and update his local list just before adding aremote or pick from the ones that come with it |
| 17:35 | <gnome42> | janneg: nah, I'm back at the last multirec sync |
| 17:35 | <janneg> | GreyFoxx: mythtv-setup is just for the backend |
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| 17:37 | <gnome42> | janneg: good point about the seektable, I thought I'd fixed all those missing seektable problems though. But I'll check if its missing next time. |
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| 17:41 | <stuarta> | GreyFoxx: now there's a good idea... |
| 17:48 | <GreyFoxx> | janneg: yeah, true. But it's something we could integrate into mythcontrols or the base frontend setup menus |
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| 17:57 | <gbee> | I'd integrate mythcontrols into the frontend first, then work on adding remote setup support to it |
| 17:57 | <stuarta> | i happen to agree with you |
| 18:04 | <GreyFoxx> | makes sense |
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| 18:10 | <gbee> | I'll stick my neck out and say that integrating mythcontrols into the frontend and converting it to mythui would be a couple of hours of work |
| 18:12 | [~] | stuarta readies the axe for gbee's neck |
| 18:13 | <gbee> | just make sure it's sharp |
| 18:16 | <clever> | gbee: if you simply moved the mythcontrols into the main myth folder and tweaked things to install the plugin with the rest of the fe it would be half done |
| 18:16 | <clever> | but it wont exactly be part of the fe itself with just that |
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| 18:32 | <stuarta> | 52m3s :) |
| 18:33 | <MrGandalf> | posted a small patch to save and recall audio sync per channel, if anyone is interested. |
| 18:37 | <gbee> | gnome42: I'd still like to do something as simple as adding a re-build seektable option to the "Job Options" menu |
| 18:39 | <gbee> | and the same for mythvideo, I've no idea which filetypes mythtranscode can handle building a seek table for but obviously that check would have to be there |
| 18:40 | <gbee> | another idea would be to proactively look for recordings or videos without seektables in the housekeeper and/or when adding new videos to your collection |
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| 18:41 | <jams> | MrGandalf- next you should work on an a perchannel audio volume offset |
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| 18:43 | <gbee> | per channel? or per source/card? |
| 18:44 | <jams> | both |
| 18:44 | <jams> | i have several channels from the same card that are louder then others. |
| 18:54 | <MrGandalf> | that sounds ugly to maintain |
| 18:55 | <MrGandalf> | would be simple enough though, but could be confusing for users |
| 18:58 | <MrGandalf> | I think there needs to be a themable dialog for all the fine adjustment stuff. Put them under one menu entry so as not to confuse the typical user |
| 18:59 | <MrGandalf> | the same dialog could also be used to the Xv controls |
| 18:59 | <MrGandalf> | ie: a multi-setting dialog |
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| 19:07 | <gbee> | maybe some form of AVL would be better than maintaining hundreds of audio offsets |
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| 19:09 | <jams> | gbee- is that volume normlization? |
| 19:09 | <gbee> | when was the last time anyone saw Ivor? |
| 19:10 | <gbee> | jams: yeah (automatic volume levelling) |
| 19:10 | <gbee> | or limiter |
| 19:11 | [~] | stuarta puts that in the "that's what the tv remote is for" basket |
| 19:11 | <jams> | yeah i tried to get donvan to write that, but never happened. |
| 19:12 | <jams> | ivor was in -users 19 days ago |
| 19:12 | <gbee> | well at least he's still around |
| 19:13 | <gnome42> | gbee: yeah, I'm not opposed to the Rebuild Seektable job option. Although, I haven't had to use that job for a while now. |
| 19:13 | <gbee> | guess I'll report this Knoq bug directly to their bug tracker |
| 19:23 | <gbee> | I'm off to bed, if xris shows up - http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newmyth_screenshot.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/newmyth.html |
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| 20:13 | <CDev> | xris: FYI - [19:23] gbee: I'm off to bed, if xris shows up - http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newmyth_screenshot.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/newmyth.html " |
| 20:22 | <xris> | ? |
| 20:22 | <xris> | ooh, pretty |
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| 22:35 | <clever> | id like to sudjest a change to the record 1 a day rule for scheduling |
| 22:36 | <clever> | it should have a per shed(or per channel) addjustment of the time before checking what day its on |
| 22:36 | <clever> | for example if 6pm and 2am the next day are repeats myth may record the 6pm and the 2am because technicaly they are on diff days |
| 22:37 | <clever> | by giving it a channel wide addjustment to take into account the timezone of the channel you would fix that |
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