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| 01:40 | <Anduin> | Chutt: ticket delete patch sent to case |
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| 05:00 | <stuarta> | hmmmm. 4327 didn't get auto closed by the trac hook on monday. |
| 05:00 | <stuarta> | however the later change did ref it. |
| 05:06 | <stuarta> | *sigh* john's updated the ticket while i wasn't looking again... |
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| 06:59 | <gbee> | justinh: problem with the settings watermark for mythmovies - the string should be SETTINGS_MOVIETIME but blootube-wide has SETTINGS_MOVIETIMES |
| 07:09 | <Dibblah> | We need logins to Trac. |
| 07:10 | <Dibblah> | ... That way, we can add a "Me Too" button, that appears to work for the individual user ;) |
| 07:10 | <stuarta> | "Me Too" -> action -> trout user |
| 07:10 | <Dibblah> | I can't replicate this lock issue, BTW. |
| 07:11 | <Dibblah> | Which is the other annoying "me too" ticket. |
| 07:11 | <stuarta> | lock issue? with scanning? |
| 07:11 | <Dibblah> | Live TV. |
| 07:11 | <stuarta> | ah that one |
| 07:11 | <Dibblah> | Of course, they *could* try setting the timeout higher and seeing what happens. |
| 07:12 | <Dibblah> | Or... I don't know. _tracking down the bloody change_. |
| 07:12 | <stuarta> | i can see logically how there could be a problem. |
| 07:13 | <Dibblah> | Caused by? |
| 07:13 | <stuarta> | a timing issue. |
| 07:14 | <Dibblah> | I would offer to test stuff for you, but I can't repro it :(( |
| 07:14 | <stuarta> | i haven't even looked |
| 07:14 | <stuarta> | come jan, i'm going to spend some time giving myth some love |
| 07:15 | <stuarta> | fyi i've never seen it |
| 07:15 | <Dibblah> | You're on trunk with DVB-t, right? |
| 07:15 | <stuarta> | yup |
| 07:16 | <gbee> | stuarta: what you do in the privacy of you own home, is none of our business |
| 07:16 | <stuarta> | heh :) |
| 07:18 | <stuarta> | not that you can talk, the results of you giving myth some loving are out there for all to see :-P |
| 07:23 | <gbee> | :p |
| 07:23 | [~] | stuarta chuckles |
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| 08:38 | <justinh> | gbee: oh. I'll fix that right up :) |
| 08:39 | <justinh> | not just pooptube-wide either |
| 08:40 | <gbee> | easy to see the reason, the other movies string is "movetimes" with the s, it's only the settings string that is missing it |
| 08:43 | <justinh> | I'll not waste time arguing which is wrong :P |
| 08:55 | <gbee> | one annoying thing about multiple monitors is that 50% of the time, the password popup for the screensaver appears on the monitor I've switched off |
| 08:55 | <justinh> | that's what bugged me about ubuntu's login screen - EWRONGMONITOR |
| 08:57 | <gbee> | login screen always appears on monitor 1 here, but the screensaver password seems to randomly appear on either |
| 08:57 | <justinh> | login screen would always come up on the VGA output not DVI :( |
| 08:58 | <gbee> | opposite here :) |
| 08:59 | <justinh> | time for chilli! |
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| 09:00 | <laga> | justinh: as i said, that should be fixable ;) |
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| 09:05 | <justinh> | yeah and as I said, it shouldn't need to be fixed ;) |
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| 09:05 | <wild_oscar> | greetings |
| 09:06 | <justinh> | mmm chilli leftovers :P |
| 09:06 | <wild_oscar> | I was wondering if you ever thought of a plugin to integrate with a p2p system |
| 09:07 | <wild_oscar> | or if the legal implications are too much for u to consider it |
| 09:07 | <justinh> | over several devs' dead bodies, I'd postulate |
| 09:08 | <justinh> | I think it's even mentioned in the FAQ section of the wiki |
| 09:09 | <wild_oscar> | is it? |
| 09:09 | <gbee> | legal quagmire, won't happen officially and even if someone did it unofficially, they'd get a cold reception from the devs and any sane members of the community |
| 09:10 | <wild_oscar> | it's understandable |
| 09:11 | <gbee> | doesn't really matter how many legal uses something like Bittorrent might have, it's primarily used for illegal purposes and the attention it would draw to mythtv would be unwelcome |
| 09:11 | <wild_oscar> | it's unarguably the future |
| 09:11 | <wild_oscar> | just look at hulu |
| 09:11 | <justinh> | so p2p isn't technically illegal but I think it'd look pretty bad if a TV recording app had a built in client. mythtv would end up being guilty by association |
| 09:12 | <justinh> | the on-demand things like hulu & joost aren't using open p2p protocols though are they |
| 09:12 | <wild_oscar> | yes, I was referring to the whole concept of how people watch tv |
| 09:13 | <wild_oscar> | there are also different needs between us and europe |
| 09:13 | <wild_oscar> | I'm in europe |
| 09:13 | <wild_oscar> | if I want to watch House or Prison break, I have to download the episodes |
| 09:14 | <justinh> | heh well just call me cynical. I don't see any way media companies are going to allow just any old client connect to their networks. I only see the likes of p2p & IPTV as a great way for them to lock everything down as much as they want. And funny thing is, that's what they're doing |
| 09:14 | <wild_oscar> | so an auto-subscriber to these shows would be ideal in whatever system I have to watch them |
| 09:15 | <gbee> | wild_oscar: IMHO it's a substandard delivery method when compared to DVB/ATSC, or ondemand content through DVB-C, it may be the 'only' choice for some but that doesn't make it the future, the future would be be choice and content on existing TV networks |
| 09:15 | <wild_oscar> | yes, when I said "the future", I was speaking about the way we watch tv |
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| 09:16 | <gbee> | clogging up the internet with video traffic, when we already have an extremely high bandwidth, purpose built TV network seems madness to me |
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| 09:16 | <wild_oscar> | subscribe and record your favourite shows vs waiting for them to be on |
| 09:16 | <justinh> | funny but I already watch what I want, when I want with this little thing called mythtv |
| 09:16 | <gbee> | like moving all the trains off the rail network and onto the road, increasing congestion and meaning slower travel times |
| 09:17 | <wild_oscar> | justinh: lucky for u that u live in the US... ;) |
| 09:17 | <justinh> | the days of grazing endless numbers of dirge shows on countless channels are over |
| 09:17 | <justinh> | wild_oscar: I don't |
| 09:17 | <wild_oscar> | where do you live? |
| 09:17 | <gbee> | I'm not aware of anyone offering broadband, in the UK and most European countries, at speeds great enough to offer on-demand video content at the same quality as DVB |
| 09:18 | <wild_oscar> | we don't have DVB yet in Portugal |
| 09:19 | <wild_oscar> | haven't tried mythtv on my "analog" tv board, but I don't believe quality will be better than downloaded episodes |
| 09:20 | <gbee> | but from past discussions on the subject, I know that I'm pretty much alone in believing that TV over the net is a flawed idea - fine for distribution of small, independant material, but not as a replacement for existing TV networks |
| 09:20 | <wild_oscar> | gbee: i think it's too early to tell |
| 09:20 | <justinh> | you're talking about illegal stuff again wild_oscar. you got the answer to your question. very unlikely we'll ever see an official p2p client for mythtv |
| 09:21 | <justinh> | gbee: I'm with you on that. personally I hate the idea of it - it's rotten to the core |
| 09:21 | <wild_oscar> | I have no idea what the prices are for cable in the us, but look at the content available on hulu |
| 09:22 | <wild_oscar> | for the average viewer, telling him he won't have to pay anything to watch his favourite shows is all he needs |
| 09:22 | <justinh> | somebody has to pay for the shows to be made. |
| 09:22 | <justinh> | I think this discussion has reached its logical conclusion |
| 09:23 | <gbee> | wild_oscar: it's got nowhere to go, already the existing internet infrastructure is failing under the weight of traffic, I really can't see how they will perform miracles and offer high quality video to every consumer, in near realtime |
| 09:24 | <gbee> | 15 years from now, maybe, when we've all got fibre to the home and 1Gb/s connections |
| 09:25 | <laga> | IPTV can work when the content distributor is close to the customer, eg if the ISP is only clogging their own network. bittorrent is a different beast, though |
| 09:25 | <justinh> | bottom line is, the MPAA & everybody else see p2p & see red. we don't need the aggravation |
| 09:27 | <wild_oscar> | wise |
| 09:28 | <gbee> | laga: BBC One on DVB-T here in the UK has a average bitrate of 4.50 Mbps, now I don't know of any UK ISP who can offer a sustainable throughput of that amount |
| 09:28 | <gbee> | to every customer |
| 09:29 | <gbee> | even if they could, would people tolerate being unable to use their connections for other things during that time? |
| 09:30 | <gbee> | maybe I'm missing something fundamental about IPTV, but I just can't see the point when we have well established and reliable delivery networks for TV and products like MythTV that allow us to watch them when we want |
| 09:31 | <justinh> | bingo |
| 09:33 | <gbee> | the internet isn't the solution to every problem and especially when the 'problems' never existed to start with |
| 09:33 | <justinh> | IPTV & everything else is ultimately going to mean they can turn our feed on & off as they see fit - and we'll probably end up paying per view of everything good IMHO |
| 09:33 | <justinh> | and if current models are anything to go by, £2.00 per sub-DVD quality episode is only the beginning |
| 09:34 | <justinh> | so er.. no thanks |
| 09:34 | <justinh> | if it ever happens I'm opting out of TV altogether. I won't be alone in that either I'll bet |
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| 11:52 | <Chutt> | hum |
| 11:52 | <Chutt> | i think mark's surround sound patch needs merged |
| 12:02 | <stuarta> | sounds like a plan |
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| 12:17 | <janneg> | any dev with equipment to test it? otherwise I can commit it tomorrow |
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| 12:21 | <Chutt> | janneg, nope |
| 12:21 | <Chutt> | i never got around to ordering the spdif adaptor for my production box |
| 12:21 | <Chutt> | i am a little worried that it apparently disables dts passthrough? |
| 12:26 | <Cardoe> | do we have a 0.21 timeframe? |
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| 12:27 | <Chutt> | early feb |
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| 12:57 | <Chutt> | stuarta, anduin sent me an update to the delete ticket changes plugin |
| 12:57 | <Chutt> | i'll get it installed when i have some free time today |
| 12:57 | <Chutt> | Anduin, thanks =) |
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| 13:24 | <janneg> | Chutt: I haven't looked at the multi channel audio patch closely after my last remarks. I'll look for ac3/dts passthrough breakage in the review before committing |
| 13:25 | <Chutt> | janneg, i just gave the patch a once-over, seemed fine otherwise |
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| 13:45 | <knowledgejunkie> | stuarta: I think #3610 can be closed after the commit of #4327 |
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| 14:00 | <stuarta> | knowledgejunkie: i'll have a look |
| 14:00 | <knowledgejunkie> | stuarta: thx |
| 14:00 | <stuarta> | yes most definitely. |
| 14:01 | <stuarta> | now i just have to work out john's latest changes in the patch and commit them |
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| 14:04 | <knowledgejunkie> | stuarta: any plans before 0.21 to allow EIT data to be easily applied to >=1 non-EIT sources? I saw ticket #2416 whilst scanning though the outstandings and got wondering |
| 14:05 | <stuarta> | dunno, off the top of my head. |
| 14:06 | <stuarta> | i want to get the shared eit cache written first. |
| 14:06 | <knowledgejunkie> | stuarta: am I right in thinking DVB-S EIT is now/next only |
| 14:06 | <stuarta> | not necessarily |
| 14:07 | <stuarta> | depends where you are |
| 14:07 | <stuarta> | ie. dishnet works |
| 14:07 | <Anduin> | Chutt: I'll try to keep it up to date, I may even fix the javascript checkbox stuff next time. |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | Anduin, cool. |
| 14:07 | <stuarta> | but no idea about the uk freesat stuff. |
| 14:07 | <knowledgejunkie> | stuarta: uk/astra28/freesat |
| 14:07 | <stuarta> | we don't even try the $ky stuff |
| 14:08 | <stuarta> | so it's whether or not they transmit something useful for the freesat STBs |
| 14:08 | <stuarta> | you got dvb-s? |
| 14:09 | <knowledgejunkie> | yes - picked up a nova-s - hence my moaning the other day about the scanning behaviour |
| 14:10 | <stuarta> | i'm planning to spend jan doing quite a bit of coding, so if you have time then we can work through it |
| 14:11 | <knowledgejunkie> | great |
| 14:11 | <knowledgejunkie> | would be great to have it sorted for 0.21 |
| 14:16 | <stuarta> | you could also try the channel-scan branch, as there's work been done in there. |
| 14:18 | <knowledgejunkie> | stuarta: i actually thought about that earlier - i might also look at the multirec stuff more closely but I doubt there's any chance of that making 0.21 |
| 14:19 | <stuarta> | i actually expect multirec to make it, but it's not up to me |
| 14:20 | <GreyFoxx> | last I heard it's intended to be in 0.21 |
| 14:20 | <knowledgejunkie> | great news |
| 14:21 | <stuarta> | dammit, where's the transcoding profile setup gone? |
| 14:21 | <knowledgejunkie> | I better start thrashing it on my test machine |
| 14:22 | <knowledgejunkie> | when will the feature freeze occur for 0.21? |
| 14:22 | <GreyFoxx> | no specific date set yet |
| 14:22 | <GreyFoxx> | wont be too far away though |
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| 14:51 | <knowledgejunkie> | kormoc: have you looked at either of the mythweb gallery modules on trac? |
| 14:52 | <kormoc> | Howdy |
| 14:52 | <kormoc> | I have not |
| 15:01 | <knowledgejunkie> | i guess that ruins my follow-up about which one you prefer then |
| 15:16 | <sphery> | Hmmm. I wonder if it was desired or overlooked that anyone can change a ticket from closed -> new (rather than the old closed -> reopened). |
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| 15:49 | <gbee> | stuarta: under recording profiles (not that intuitive) |
| 15:50 | <gbee> | oops, that was over an hour ago, so you've probably found it by now |
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| 15:56 | <stuarta> | gbee: thanks. i found it eventually |
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| 16:13 | <GreyFoxx> | hehe interesting. Anytime mythweb requests a screenshot of a show that was recorded on my slave backend, the GetPreviewImage? call triggers the slavebackend to ask the master for the mysql connection info |
| 16:27 | <Anduin> | So, any objections to me changing MythThemedDialog::ReallyUpdateForeground to not draw containers with a context that wouldn't be drawn anyway (currently a <container><context>1</context></container> will draw the background over the containers area for any context. (I need to hide potentially full-screen containers, and the existing behaviour seems to have no justification) |
| 16:27 | <Anduin> | ' |
| 16:35 | <gbee> | Anduin: heh, I wasn't quite sure what you were refering to and I was even more confused when I looked at the code, but it turns out I've had a patch in place on ReallyUpdateForeground for a while (so long that I don't remember writing it) |
| 16:36 | <gbee> | no idea if it's any use to you, but I'll pastebin it, give me a moment |
| 16:36 | <justinh> | I can't object to something I didn't follow ;) |
| 16:36 | <Anduin> | gbee: Yeah, it was very confusing the other night when I started looking at using contexts in MythVideo, inetwait made it look like nothing was working. |
| 16:37 | <Anduin> | justinh: even if the context of a container would prevent it from drawing the contents, a square the size of the container, from the dialog background, is drawn in its place. |
| 16:38 | <gbee> | Anduin: I think I found the same problem, but simply forgot to commit the fix, I can't really remember it at all though so I might not have committed it for good reason |
| 16:38 | [~] | gbee shrugs |
| 16:38 | <justinh> | erm.. I can see that causing issues in mytharchive |
| 16:38 | <justinh> | IIRC.. |
| 16:38 | <Anduin> | gbee: Yeah, I've been running mine patched for a little over a day, hoping to find something it breaks |
| 16:38 | <gbee> | http://pastebin.ca/824261 |
| 16:39 | <Anduin> | gbee: same idea, though I just do the check in the loop just outter to there |
| 16:39 | <Anduin> | er, the if |
| 16:40 | <justinh> | oh wait.. _currently_ the background image will be drawn over the container area. ahhh. seriously can't see anything wrong with fixing that |
| 16:41 | <justinh> | sorry for being slow |
| 16:41 | <Anduin> | http://rafb.net/p/Skyr4x61.html |
| 16:42 | <gbee> | should work just fine there I think |
| 16:42 | <Chutt> | i always got a laugh out of those variables named 'looper' in thor's code |
| 16:43 | <gbee> | :) |
| 16:43 | <Anduin> | It is funny, and sad, I did an ann the other day to see who had written the hunter finder thing 100 times. |
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| 16:50 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 16:50 | <Chutt> | adding a simple constraint (names must be unique in a dialog), and all that code's unnecessary :/ |
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| 18:44 | <clever> | i seem to have found a flaw in the mythcommflag |
| 18:44 | <clever> | it apears to be sleep()'ing to reduce cpu usage |
| 18:44 | <clever> | when the renicing alone should be enouugh to reduce its cpu usage |
| 18:45 | <clever> | so it winds up not using the entire cpu when running |
| 18:47 | <sphery> | clever: That's by design. In mythtv-setup: CPU Usage (Low|Medium|High): This setting controls approximately how much CPU jobs in the queue may consume. On 'High', all available CPU time may be used which could cause problems on slower systems. |
| 18:47 | <clever> | yeah i know of that option |
| 18:47 | <clever> | but when i set it to use more |
| 18:48 | <clever> | it doesnt renice itself |
| 18:48 | <clever> | so it takes alot more then i wanted it to use |
| 18:48 | <sphery> | Well, that's the option to control how much CPU is used. |
| 18:48 | <clever> | i want it to renice itself and NOT sleep causing the cpu to idle |
| 18:48 | <sphery> | sounds like you need a custom build |
| 18:49 | <clever> | i could just throw more jobs at the cpu |
| 18:49 | <clever> | then when 1 is uselessly idling another runs |
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| 18:56 | <sphery> | clever: looks like Medium gives no sleep but niced |
| 18:56 | <clever> | i'll try that |
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| 19:40 | <Captain_Murdoch> | high = no sleep, no nice. medium = nice but no sleep, low = nice and sleeping |
| 19:40 | <Captain_Murdoch> | for mythcommflag. |
| 19:40 | <clever> | ah:) |
| 19:40 | <Captain_Murdoch> | nice levels apply for mythtranscode as well I think, but can't remember if it sleeps any |
| 19:41 | <clever> | i'll have to set all my systems to med then |
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| 19:42 | <Captain_Murdoch> | low is there for people with software encoding on slower machines. even nicing on those machines isn't enough sometimes, so I made 'low' sleep a little to intentionally give up cpu cycles. |
| 19:42 | <clever> | i just disabled all jobs on my frame grabber |
| 19:42 | <clever> | and set it so jobs can run on any host |
| 19:42 | <clever> | and thru a mythbackend onto every frontend |
| 19:43 | <clever> | ive even got my dual 1.8ghz system netbooting now(front and backend) |
| 19:43 | <Captain_Murdoch> | before I wrote the jobqueue, you couldn't do that so I made the ability to set cpu level. |
| 19:43 | <clever> | netboot it and it should rip thru the commflags like nothing |
| 19:43 | <clever> | ahh:) |
| 19:43 | <clever> | 2 main problems i have with netbooting that box atm |
| 19:43 | <clever> | nfs-common takes 4mins to startup(long boot) |
| 19:44 | <clever> | and wifi is dead so i need it wired to do anything |
| 19:44 | <clever> | bcm43xx driver doesnt work right |
| 19:47 | <clever> | and my netboot image is still missing a few minor things like libtag.so.1 |
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| 19:50 | <Captain_Murdoch> | my netboot image is just a copy of my wife's old FC5 install with a private copy of /etc, /tmp, and /var for each server. a couple different kernels used depending on whether it's the P4 w/ HT frontend that can do HD or the measly msntv2 box |
| 19:50 | <clever> | currently |
| 19:50 | <clever> | i used debootstrap to make a thin install |
| 19:50 | <clever> | all boxes share the entire root |
| 19:50 | <clever> | no /etc/hostname in the root |
| 19:51 | <clever> | dhcp server sets the hostname |
| 19:51 | <clever> | xorg conf is /etc/X11/xorg.conf.`hostname` (uniq to the host) |
| 19:51 | <Captain_Murdoch> | same here, but different frontends/backends use different /etc/fstab files |
| 19:51 | <clever> | fstab has only 2 entrys atm |
| 19:51 | <Captain_Murdoch> | well, not same for xorg, need to setup something like that. |
| 19:52 | <clever> | for the shared root and for /media/mainlv(shared with all myth systems) |
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| 19:52 | <clever> | running the -generic kernel on both netboots(includes smp) |
| 19:52 | <Captain_Murdoch> | anyway, need to run, have my hdhomerun slave backend back up after rebuilding my wife's computer with fc8 so I can go watch TV now. |
| 19:53 | <clever> | the mythtv binarys are shared between nearly all systems(normal and netboot) |
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