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---Logopened Fri Jan 11 00:00:46 2008
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05:19<justinh>happy Friday :)
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05:55<justinh>finally deleted all the win32 related -dev list mails
05:55<justinh>starting to look like they need their own list
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06:11<gbee>justinh: I wouldn't mind if they did, maybe we should suggest it to Chutt
06:17<stuarta>problem is, nobody with commit access would read it
06:17<stuarta>i certainly wouldn't
06:18<stuarta>but i don't mind it being in the main -dev list
06:19<justinh>I'll just have to keep on top of deleting win32 related messages :)
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07:15<purple>hi all
07:16<purple>anyone using mythtv with crappy asus tv/fm card such as mine?
07:16<purple>i have terrible aniyances setting it up :\
07:16*stuarta points at the topic
07:18<purple>ahh sorry, thanks
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08:21<gbee>stuarta: I think everyone interested in fixing and discussing windows builds would subscribe to the list and that probably includes people with commit access like GreyFoxx and Daniel
08:23<stuarta>quite possibly
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08:25<gbee>at the very least, some of the recent discussions asking for help on building belong in the -users list
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08:33<GreyFoxx>I'd subscribe if only to keep informed as to the state of it and problems/direction :)
08:35<stuarta>which is kinda why i lean toward not separating it.
08:45<gbee>guess I can just setup a filter to delete windows related postings, save myself the trouble of sorting them manually
08:46<anykey_>I just hope that all the efforts don't go into the windows port now...
08:46<justinh>not if I can help it
08:46<GreyFoxx>anykey_: hehe no
08:46<gbee>anykey_: I don't even own a copy of windows
08:47<GreyFoxx>seperate list or not doesn't matter to me. It's just a drop in the bucket of mail I get everyday
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08:49<gbee>I realised recently that I was spending an hour or more just reading my email on some days .....
08:50<gbee>so I've unsubcribed from various lists and setup filters where possible to only keep emails on subjects which interest or affect me
08:53<stuarta>btw. re #4456, does live tv seem much slower to lock in these days?
08:54<stuarta>seemed quit e slow last night
08:54*stuarta <- badly lagged
08:56<GreyFoxx>gbee: I do extensive filtering. most of my mail is for archival purposes, basically my own little google/gossamer
08:56<gbee>seemed like it the other night, but I'm also getting hit by the "this channel has not locked" (when there is a picture on screen) bug
08:56<GreyFoxx>but I read the commits and -dev several times a day
08:56<GreyFoxx>and less so -users.. I read maybe 5% of -users
08:57<GreyFoxx>if the subject isn't interesting or if I don't see it as from aperson who usually has something interesting to say delete it
08:57<stuarta>gbee: i see that bug too
08:57<stuarta>tbh, the 2 are prob related
08:58<gbee>GreyFoxx: I've got emails going back to 1997, but I only keep the stuff which is important (client correspondance, invoice/receipts etc)
08:58<GreyFoxx>gbee: I have every email, work and personal I've recieved since 98 :) rotated daily and compressed :)
08:58<GreyFoxx><<-- packrat
08:58<gbee>mailing list folders are generally set to expire content after it's 30 days old
08:58<GreyFoxx>heh I have every bit of source of every app I've downloaded in that time too
08:58<GreyFoxx>every version of apache, etc
08:59<gbee>GreyFoxx: heh
08:59*stuarta suspects a lot of storage
08:59<GreyFoxx>stuarta: hehe yeah
09:00<GreyFoxx>every couple months I go to all the non work machines and pull in the source files as I clean up their disks
09:00<GreyFoxx>It's quite handy
09:00<GreyFoxx>especially when you are looking for an older version of something or a site has disappeared along with the nifty app you once used
09:01<justinh>there are still 0.7 tarballs on the .org site AFAIK
09:02<GreyFoxx>I'd be suprised if they were gone
09:02<stuarta>looks like 0.16 is the earliest i have lying around
09:06<justinh>is it hometime yet?
09:06<stuarta>i wish
09:08<gbee>a checkout of -fixes is the oldest copy I have ;)
09:10<gbee>almost no point in having that around now, won't be backporting fixes at this point
09:12<laga>is there any ETA on feature freeze mode?
09:14<stuarta>it's just fix fix fix time
09:14<GreyFoxx>It's just crazy how many open tickets there are
09:15<laga>'cause we got to decide soon if 0.21 will be in mythbuntu 8.04 or not
09:15<janneg>ough, almost 500
09:15<gbee>I thinking mid-Feb release at this point, or at least that's what I'm hoping for, I need time to finish xmltv apiconfig and I won't be able to do that until I'm less busy with work
09:15<GreyFoxx>janneg: yeah
09:16<laga>gbee: mid-feb? close 500 tickets in one month?
09:16<GreyFoxx>and I bet a lot of them are already fixed, no longer relevant or will never be done
09:16<janneg>138 with milestone 0.21
09:16<gbee>laga: we'll never close them all and that's not the objective, many of them are duplicates, features or already fixed
09:16<GreyFoxx>actually I'll update the ones I have that will be done for 0.21
09:17<justinh>laga: closed (worksforme). done :)
09:17<laga>justinh: :P
09:18<gbee>we can't really afford to close all the tickets, if we close 200 another 100 hundred would be opened in their place, so we just deal with the serious issues and the easy ones so that as much as possible is done when 0.21 is released
09:19<GreyFoxx>certainly, but maybe a effort for all assigned tickets to be looked at by the owner and set the milestone to 0.21 or beyond or plain closed
09:19<GreyFoxx>and for owners who aren't around anymore tickets redistrubted
09:20<gbee>GreyFoxx: yeah, I've already made that effort personally and when I get the time I intend to close all the tickets I've marked for 0.21
09:20<GreyFoxx>I'm marking mine now. all but 1 or 2 I intend to have done before 0.21
09:21<GreyFoxx>could knock most out with a days effort
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09:32<GreyFoxx>Anyone see any reason to not close (old windows port attempt) which hasn't seen any traffic in a year and is basically moot with the current attempt going on ?
09:33<stuarta>close it
09:33*stuarta didn't even read it
09:41<GreyFoxx>hmmm I've got a couple dishes sitting around. Wonder if it's worth pickup up a rotor and scanning the sky to see what few channels I can find
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10:14<stuarta>GreyFoxx: someone needs to check the diseq stuff works
10:17<gbee>I keep meaning to check whether the lnb on the dish is a single or quad
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10:18<gbee>might do that tonight
10:18<stuarta>unless it's raining
10:18<gbee> .... up a ladder, in the dark, wind and rain ..... maybe tomorrow
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10:24<justinh>gbee: don't do a Rod Hull. we need yous :)
10:24<justinh>or get that stunt double to do it
10:24<stuarta>or just look how big it is
10:24<stuarta>quads tend to be bigger
10:25<gbee>I've figured out that the trick is not falling on your head
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10:25<justinh>our loft ladder gave way again last week. with me on it this time. lucky I was awake
10:27<gbee>I reckon it's probably a single, I'm not that lucky
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10:28<stuarta>i've just got 2 ports on the wall (it's a shared apartment setup)
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10:31<gbee>still need to get a dvb-s card, might get that next week in time for multirec :D
10:34<anykey_>stuarta: diseqc works pretty good
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10:36<stuarta>gbee: lemme know if you find a cheap deal
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10:37<gbee>stuarta: sure
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11:17<jams>thanks for the commit GreyFoxx
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12:38<justinh>think it might just be hometime
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12:45<gnome42> janneg: Hi, any ideas or suggestions on "[mythtv-users] Live TV problem in multirec" thread
12:48<gnome42>janneg: I was hoping that if the user provides a short clip that would allow us to determine if the first stream is being corrupted somehow.
12:51<gnome42>janneg: It seems like it is a good thing to find out but I'm not sure how to analyse the file. I was hoping you (or someone else) might be able to help :)
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13:17<raden_work>is there any specific OS that Myth TV works best with >
13:17<raden_work>linux wise ?>
13:18<laga>raden_work: see topic
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13:55<janneg>gnome42: let me read over that thread
14:02<gnome42>janneg: k, cool. Not urgent.
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14:28<Anduin>GreyFoxx: 4395 appears to have no commit fixing it (not actually complaining, I've stopped free scaling in the image cache rework I hope to commit soon)
14:30<GreyFoxx>Doh, actually that wasn't the ticket I meant to close
14:30<Anduin>reopened and assigned to me
14:31<GreyFoxx>What sort of cache changes are you implementing? I had a patch (broken now) which would keep copies of the resized images around and next time we went to load it would check for that first and use it. Made scrolling the gallery much faster
14:31<Anduin>The current cache should do that, but only keeps around whatever your image cache size is set to.
14:32<Anduin>This is background loading, and simple fetching above/below the viewable area (currently punting on descending to folders)
14:33<Anduin>In other words, more gallery speedups (to get what the processEvents input patch was going to do)
14:34<Anduin>Also extending the cache to keep n scaled versions.
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14:42<GreyFoxx>Anduin: Ahh ok. Last I looked it was resizing and caching in ram, but would load from scratch./resize again the next time I left/came in to mythvideo
14:42<Anduin>Yeah, that is true, I only keep stuff while in MV.
14:43<GreyFoxx>my patch kept that scaled image and loaded it next time, skipping the rescaling step. I found it made quite a difference
14:46<Anduin>If we had some general cache manager in libmyth I'd be willing to do that, though them appearing as they are loaded isn't as bad as I thought it would be.
14:48<GreyFoxx>I started working on something like that once
14:49<GreyFoxx>I should dig out that patch and get it going again
14:50<gbee>Anduin: the plan, when everything uses mythui, is to have the image loading, scaling and caching code there instead of libmyth
14:50<GreyFoxx>a single LoadImage or LoadScaleImage ?
14:50<Anduin>gbee: As long as it is general-purpose, the current UI code, for example, makes little sense to reuse.
14:52<gbee>GreyFoxx: more of a generic image class which provides the functionality of both LoadScaleImage and QImage - MythImage
14:54<gbee>that combined with a global object store for memory reduction - a map of image filenames and pointers and a rewrite of the existing theme cache code into a more generic form
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14:58<Anduin>gbee: Going to make it lockable I assume?
14:59<Anduin>(or at least make a load function reentrant)
15:01<gbee>I'll let you know when I get there ;)
15:02<gbee>MythImage already exists as part of mythui if you want to take a look
15:02<Anduin>Yeah, more just throwing it out there in the hopes you will think about it when implementing
15:03<gbee>Anduin: sure
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15:31<GreyFoxx>laga: You around ?
15:32<laga>GreyFoxx: yes
15:32<GreyFoxx>I was wondering, do you still use your S100 ?
15:32*laga is busy fighting with LTSP :)
15:33<laga>GreyFoxx: um. yeah. i never use it, but it's still fully functional and just needs to be turned on
15:33<GreyFoxx>there are several of us who are considering trying to setup some sort of order of 3-6 or so S100's
15:34*jams perks up
15:34<GreyFoxx>I was 1 or 2, I have a coworker who wants 2 or 3, and nother who wants 2
15:34<GreyFoxx>I know it wasn't worth shipping just one
15:34<GreyFoxx>but maybe it'd be worth shipping several :)
15:34<laga>sounds good.
15:35<laga>a friend and i, we even found a replacement for the onboard clockgen chip which should allow overclocking
15:35<laga>we never got around to trying it, though. :)
15:35<laga>i got my s100 off ebay. there used to be a commercial seller..
15:37<gbee>how much work is it to get an S100 frontend running? I'd guess that it's pretty feeble?
15:37<laga>gbee: 128M but it's OK. got a 2GB usb pen drive and ubuntu 6.10 with openbox. i'm using the iulius theme, though
15:37<laga>it's working pretty well
15:38<GreyFoxx>It's not rough getting an msntv2 going and for that we had to dick with video stuff, so the S100 should be a little easier
15:38<laga>just need to mess around with X a bit because you need the proprietary video driver
15:38<laga>unless greyfoxx comes up with something..
15:38<laga>which i'm sure he will :)
15:38<GreyFoxx>I scripted the IEGD install actually
15:38<GreyFoxx>so installs/updates only take a couple seconds
15:39<laga>updates? have there ever been updates? :)
15:39<GreyFoxx>yeah :) There have been 3 or 4 versions of IEGD since I first started :)
15:39<GreyFoxx>last one was in June/July
15:39<laga>oh, i also replaced the wireless card (mini pci) in my s100 because i wasn't satisfied with performance before that.
15:39<GreyFoxx>or last I looked :)
15:39<laga>GreyFoxx: one s100 is like 40€ on ebay
15:39<laga>you do the math
15:40<GreyFoxx>not sure what monetary symbol that was
15:40<gbee>that all? makes it a pretty attractive option then ..
15:40<laga>GreyFoxx: euro
15:40<gbee>GreyFoxx: Euro
15:40<laga>GreyFoxx: utf8 helps :)
15:40<GreyFoxx>came out as "is like 40⬠on ebay"
15:40<gbee>? :D
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15:40<GreyFoxx>I'm use to people saying 40e and such :)
15:41<laga>just wish the s100 had more ram. :)
15:41<gbee>it has an lcd/vfd display?
15:41<laga>also i remember a freind of mine having trouble getting a HD resolution out of that poor thing...
15:41<laga>gbee: no
15:41<GreyFoxx>Isn't that what's on the front of it ?
15:42<laga>no, that's just some LEDs and a semi-trasnparent front plate. you can control the LEDs (blinking etc) over ttyS0
15:42<gbee>laga: looking for pictures online, the only one I could find shows what looks like a one/two line VFD
15:42<GreyFoxx>hmmm that would likely be replaced with an small VFD
15:42<GreyFoxx>and the window is already there :)
15:43<laga>it's not a real window
15:43<GreyFoxx>It would be when I was done then :)
15:44<laga>i like the remote. juski made a very nice .Xmodmap file
15:44<laga>(it's hooked up to the ps2 port via the front processor)
15:44<GreyFoxx>laga: If you happen across the name of the commercial seller can you let me know? I'd rather avoid the pain of ebay auctions and just order several from 1 place
15:45<GreyFoxx>most of the sites I look at are in german which I can't read :)
15:45<laga>GreyFoxx: yup
15:45<gbee>right now I'm using a combined fe/be in the living room, I've wanted to replace it with a better looking/smaller case and was thinking of going with an Asus Pundit
15:45<gbee>but maybe I'll go with something like the S100 as a frontend and move the current machine somewhere else as the backend
15:47<GreyFoxx>can you buy them directl from t-online ? :)
15:47<laga>no, i don't think they sell them anymore. and they used to be very expensive. you can ask them, though, if they still have any they need to get rid off
15:48<gbee>laga: can you use any remote, or does it use some proprietary wavelength etc
15:48<GreyFoxx>It's basically an IR keyboard I think
15:48<laga>gbee: i think it uses proprietary codes which are decoded by the front processor to regular key presses, like a normal keyboard
15:48<GreyFoxx>if it bothered me I'd use a USB MCE remote
15:50<gbee>GreyFoxx: yeah, I love the MCE remote and would want to keep using it, so that would probably be my only choice (if I went with the S100)
15:51<laga>you'll be seriously limiting your choice of themes if you buy the s100
15:51<GreyFoxx>I can live with that
15:51<GreyFoxx>besides it's more encouragement for us to trim the memory requirements and work on the global object caching :)
15:52<GreyFoxx>my msntv's have sat in a box since I moved, and frankly I like the fact these have wireless and VGA and a REAL bios in them
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15:57<justinh>laga: did you ever get to the bottom of that screen blanking issue on the s100?
15:57<laga>it doesn't bother me
15:57<laga>reason #1: it's never turned on
15:58<laga>i found out i prefer to sleep when i'm in the bedroom instead of watching tv
15:58<laga>maybe it'll be put to some use once we move
15:59<justinh>I've started to notice something perculiar playing back recordings on my new intel graphics based frontend. seems mythfrontend is changing graphics mode for playback. when I stop a recording to go back into the menu I briefly see the X background before the 'watch recordings' screen. Maybe I'm getting that because I set the mode using xrandr in my x startup script rather than in xorg.conf (not that I've ever got it to wor
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16:00<justinh>not saying it _is_ changing modes, but that's what it looks like
16:02<GreyFoxx>xrandr maybe >?
16:04<justinh>wouldn't be surprised
16:05<GreyFoxx>ooh another multirec merge
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16:19<gbee>GreyFoxx: janneg is teasing us with the promise of a trunk merge
16:20*GreyFoxx heads to pick up his little one
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16:56<janneg>gbee: I'm just repeating what Daniel said. he has to fix one minor issue. the merge won't happen before monday
16:57<janneg>but everyone can switch to multirec
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17:07<gbee>janneg: just joshing
17:11*jams wonders what josh was like. Must have been some personality for that phrase to have taken off.
17:12<janneg>me too. but it would probably be good if some people switch before the merge
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17:14*stuarta makes a note to attempt multirec next week if it hasn't already been merged.
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17:23<gbee>janneg: I'll try to switch this weekend, I know I've said that before though
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17:33<gbee>got to say I like the media monitor despite it's faults, at the core there is a very useful class
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17:40<gbee>heh, this is a diff of a clamav config file after the package was updated:
17:41<gbee>doesn't inspire confidence in the packager
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17:54<gbee>hope not
17:54<gbee>good evening rooaus
17:55<rooaus>ah, Friday evening (not morning)... good evening.
17:57<rooaus>gbee: I get a segfault when bringing up the guide in livetv, not sure if it is related to #3435 as it only happens in Metallurgy (as far as I know).
17:57<gbee>well it's morning for you, so maybe I should say good morning as well ;)
17:58<gbee>rooaus: probably related to that font error, strange that I'm not seeing it though
17:58<rooaus>I can provide a BT, but will look into it further soonish.
17:59<gbee>I have seen some font wackyness in the last week (frontend complaining it can't find fonts) but I put that down to a few local modifications I'm running
18:00<gbee>I'll take a look at fixing the theme, but if you can provide a backtrace then we can fix the lack of proper error handling in the guide
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18:08<gbee>justinh, Anduin: were the recent mythvideo changes just to remove the playwait container, or were there other theme changes I need to make?
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18:11<gbee>nope, looks like numhold was changed from a textarea to remoteedit too
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18:14<rooaus>gbee: I think just remove the playwait container from the manager window. I deleted that and all was cool, didn't notice other theme changes for Metallurgy.
18:14<rooaus>actually there was contexts added, but if you don't spec any contexts in the xml there is a code based context cleanup/assignment.
18:15<rooaus>oh, missed the remoteedit stuff.
18:20<rooaus>gbee: Do you want me to pastebin the BT?
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18:21<gbee>rooaus: yeah, though given the time I might ask you to open a ticket too (pretty tired)
18:23<gbee>crap, looks like I'm missing a container in the manager window "entersearchtitle"
18:23<rooaus>no probs, I will see if I can get to the bottom of it and get a patch to fix it, but also paste it.
18:23<gbee>guess that's what I get for copying the window/container names from blootube ;)
18:24<rooaus>heh, goes to show how much I use mythvideo then.
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18:26<rooaus>gbee: bt is at
18:26<gbee>actually, doesn't seem to be defined in any core themes, but Anduin mentions it in the commit message ....
18:27<rooaus>Do I need to do anything special after the frontend faults and returns to gdb console? I just "quit" but got a prompt about "Program still running" or similar.
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18:30*rooaus wonders if line 140 of the bt is related to the problem?
18:31<gbee>rooaus: seems likely, the line it's throwing up (usleep at 59) doesn't make any sense to me
18:32<gbee>aside from the fact that usleep(50) seems like an unnecessarily short sleep there is no good reason for it to segfault there and going back through that thread reveals nothing of immediate interest
18:36<gbee>I might be missing something, open a ticket and I can take another look in the morning
18:38<rooaus>ok will open a ticket. What line is the usleep(50), I only see usleep()'s, obviously I don't know how to read BT very well (obviously :))
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18:42<Anduin>gbee: It is optional, and I hate looking at/editing the theme files so blue, Titivillus and Minimalist-wide didn't get it.
18:43<gbee>Anduin: thanks, that makes sense
18:44<gbee>doesn't appear to be in GANT either but I'll look at the code for a definition and add it to metallurgy if necessary
18:44<Anduin>Most of the core themes don't actually have their own video-ui.xml files
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18:45<gbee>Anduin: heh, yeah, just realised I was looking at ui.xml by mistake for GANT
18:46<gbee>rooaus: I suspect it's thread related. The usleep(50) reference is because guidegrid calls it on line 59 (at guidegrid.cpp:59)
18:47<gbee>I don't think it's the problem at all though, I'm just not very good at reading between the lines on these obscure backtraces
18:47<rooaus>gbee: Then maybe I have no chance. But there is only one way for me to learn :)
18:53<Chutt>all my 'sleep for a tiny bit to yield the thread' calls don't work anymore :
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19:07<rooaus>gbee: FYI, I get the segfault with blootube-wide as well.
19:15<justinh>it's all my fault for copying other themes in that case
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19:32<rooaus>justinh: Also happens in blue (if you meant the segfault)
19:32<justinh>any themes it doesn't happen with?
19:34<rooaus>I thought mythcentre-wide, let me check again...
19:36<justinh>gbee: so blootube is borked again. why am I not surprised?
19:38<justinh>awww this is the last thing I need to do right now
19:39<rooaus>justinh: I don't think it is xml related, it could be a race condition. I only see this on my laptop where the UI is slow, so I wouldn't worry at the moment :)
19:40<justinh>ach I'll look at it when I'm awake
19:40<rooaus>mythcentre-wide does not segfault but the video is all borked.
19:41<justinh>seen that. it's to do with the preview video window size
19:42<justinh>affects some video drivers. mustn't like an overlay area not divisible by 8 or something
19:42<justinh>my ee-pee-aye-ay was similarly afflicted
19:44<rooaus>mmm, might be onto something here. Laptop is ATI (grrr) and need to use xshm or xlib renderer. xshm places the video in the wrong spot and corrupts it, some themes segfault. xlib looks ok.
19:46<jams>i have also seen that with a crappy implmentation of opengl
19:46<jams>or just bad video drivers in general
19:46<rooaus>xshm and xlib are scaling challenged, I guess the PIP code (is that used for the preview in guide) must handle it different to the main display code (which doesn't scale) as per #4220?
19:47<rooaus>jams: Like fglrx?
19:49<rooaus>jams: If using qt painter and non opengl renderer that shouldn't come into play should it?
19:50<justinh>rooaus: shouldn't make any difference. only the menus are painted by opengl AFAIK
19:50<justinh>those being about the only users of mythui at present
19:54<rooaus>and I don't have opengl vsync compiled in either, that is the only other opengl thing I can think of.
19:55<justinh>rooaus: how reproducible is the segfault? maybe try commenting out the video preview window & see if that helps it any
19:57<rooaus>justinh: The good thing is this is on my laptop so I can test anything at anytime. So hopefully it will be easier to get to the bottom of :)
19:58<rooaus>did you mean from the xml or source?
19:58<justinh>from the xml
19:58<justinh>dunno if that'll work - might segfault because it expects to see the container
19:58<jams>rooaus- i have never used the fglrx so i'm not for sure
19:59<rooaus>cool, it happens every time with xshm. Hey, worth a try.
19:59<jams>justinh- yeah it's going to segfault, tried that one already.
19:59<rooaus>jams: I know what the f stands for (fscked), not sure about the rest though ;)
20:00<justinh>rooaus: since commenting out the container for the video window won't work, try changing the X size to the nearest number divisible by 8
20:01<justinh>as in <area>900,490,$X,173</area>
20:01<rooaus>just a sec
20:05<rooaus>justinh: Bingo, just has bad location like mythcentre-wide now. I will post a ss...
20:08<justinh>that's a no xv related thing - or at least it can be
20:09<justinh>wonder if it'd help if the y size was divisible by 8 too
20:10<rooaus>I will try it...
20:10<justinh>worth a bash. not sure what it all means though
20:12<rooaus>daniel said that xshm and xlib don't support scaling or moving, that is the root cause of the #4220. I wonder if that it is involved here as well.
20:14<rooaus>making Y mod 8 didn't fix the location, but I suspect xlib will.
20:16<rooaus>yep, use xlib renderer and preview is in frame as expected.
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20:18<justinh>so xlib & X size mod 8 & you're good?
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20:19<justinh>modulo was the word I was seeking in my addled brain earlier...
20:19<rooaus>no, just need to use xlib. it is xshm that bombs on the "not mod 8".
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20:20<rooaus>I think this is useful, would explain why most people don't have the problem, similar to the font scaling issue.
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20:23<rooaus>I have been looking at adding software scaling to xlib and xshm. I have poked around in the videout stuff but haven't written any code yet.
20:28<rooaus>justinh: xvinfo seems to indicate that xv is enabled: "X-Video Extension version 2.2"
20:30<justinh>the preview window being borked is usually down to no xv.. or rather used to be. probably all changed now
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