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| 01:10 | <xris> | test |
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| 01:11 | <xris> | test |
| 01:11 | <xris> | ok, weird. irc program keeps not showing text in this channel unless I quit/rejoin. |
| 01:16 | <clever> | client? |
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| 05:42 | <gbee> | janneg: one multirec oddity, if I'm recording programme X and then go into livetv tune to the same channel and select programme X, press R(ecord) it appears twice in the recordings list |
| 05:50 | <gbee> | with different start times |
| 05:51 | <gbee> | not really a bug I guess, more of a feature request "if X is already recording and the user selects it to record in livetv, don't record it again" |
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| 10:04 | <janneg> | gbee: trunk has the same behaviour if you have more than one capture card |
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| 10:18 | <rooaus> | gbee: The program guide segfault I saw last night was unrelated to Metallurgy (directly), although making the preview window width "mod 8" will prevent the crash if using xshm render method. |
| 10:39 | <gbee> | janneg: yeah, but not in the same way, but I'd agree it's not really a bug |
| 10:41 | <gbee> | rooaus: thanks for letting me know |
| 10:41 | <gbee> | more of a code bug, if the preview needs to be mod8 then we should handle that there and not in the theme |
| 10:42 | <gbee> | we already do it that way for the watch recordings preview window |
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| 11:42 | <stuarta> | this will be interesting |
| 11:42 | <stuarta> | ah smeg |
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| 11:43 | <stuarta> | i had a file that previously wouldn't mpeg2->mpeg2 transcode |
| 11:43 | <stuarta> | that does now. |
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| 11:43 | * | stuarta tries another one to go bug hunting |
| 11:43 | <gbee> | I've got one which was failing about a week ago, haven't tried it again |
| 11:44 | <stuarta> | i recorded this one in 2006 |
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| 12:06 | * | stuarta notices a memleak in mythtranscode |
| 12:07 | <stuarta> | programs/mythtranscode/mpeg2fix.h::set_pkt is missing a free(data) |
| 12:07 | <stuarta> | maybe not |
| 12:07 | * | stuarta rereads |
| 12:13 | * | stuarta valgrinds it anyway |
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| 12:18 | <gbee> | being lazy today, no mythtv work |
| 12:19 | <stuarta> | good idea |
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| 12:45 | <gnome42> | gbee: yeah, you deserve at least one day off :) |
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| 12:51 | <gbee> | I don't get the feeling that alsa is a much loved project, seems they've got only one developer these days |
| 13:05 | * | gnome42 sends good vibes to Takashi |
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| 13:20 | <gnome42> | gbee: So you didn't have much luck with multirec? crash and burn again? :( |
| 13:21 | <gbee> | gnome42: it's working well except for that crash yesterday |
| 13:21 | <gnome42> | gbee: woot! You are still running it? |
| 13:21 | <gnome42> | I thought you would have reverted :) |
| 13:21 | <gbee> | I don't know that the crash is related to multirec except that it's the first backend crash I've seen in months |
| 13:21 | <gbee> | gnome42: yeah, I'm sticking with it |
| 13:21 | <gnome42> | cool! |
| 13:22 | <gnome42> | there are many bugs left :) |
| 13:22 | <gbee> | the crash happened when rapidly changing channels in mythbackend, as I don't do that in normal use I figured it would be safe plus I'm running under gdb in the hope of getting a backtrace |
| 13:23 | <gnome42> | the permutations of interactions between the shared inputs, and livetv etc. are .... yeah ... tricky :) |
| 13:24 | <gnome42> | letting it dump core and analyse later is good too :) |
| 13:25 | <gnome42> | except when it fills your filesystem :/ |
| 13:26 | <gnome42> | I just submitted a patch for another bad interaction between the scheduler and livetv sessions. |
| 13:28 | <gnome42> | If multiple livetv sessions are active and you start a recording that has a starttime that has already passed the livetv sessions will not be delat with properly. |
| 13:28 | <gnome42> | dealt with... |
| 13:32 | <gnome42> | My thought at the moment is that multirec is close to being on par with trunk if you are just doing recordings. |
| 13:35 | <gbee> | gnome42: I think now is a good time to merge multirec so that there is plenty of time to expose and fix bugs before 0.21 |
| 13:37 | <gbee> | though half of me wonders if we shouldn't merge multirec until after 0.21, trunk is extremely stable at the moment and pretty much bug free compared to 0.20, introducing a large change such as multirec could change that |
| 13:37 | <gnome42> | gbee: yeah, I'm just going with the flow. :) |
| 13:39 | <gnome42> | gbee: I agree, that sounds wise but also not up to me. I'm a slow debugger so whatever gives me more time to debug is a good thing! :) |
| 13:39 | <gbee> | although I don't watch livetv much (ever really) I'd like to see it stable because I just can't persuade my parents to stop watching livetv, so when they are using the myth box I've built for them I want the experience to be painless |
| 13:40 | <gnome42> | gbee: yeah, that's the livetv story. User's use it and developers use it for testing :) |
| 13:42 | <gnome42> | gbee: what is you opinion of trunk dvb livetv? I find it's not as reliable as livetv with bttv/ivtv. |
| 13:43 | <gnome42> | gbee: ie. Can trunk hold up to some remote-control-pounding dvb channel surfing? |
| 13:43 | <gbee> | gnome42: apart from the "You should have gotten a channel lock by now" message which has recently started to affect trunk/multirec, I've found that it's reliable since the fixes you worked on a couple of months ago |
| 13:44 | <gbee> | my major problem isn't with dvb itself, but with the time to takes to swap from a channel on DVB to one on ivtv (take forever and I can't see a good reason why) |
| 13:45 | <gnome42> | how long about? |
| 13:46 | * | gnome42 fires up the frontend and gets his stopwatch out ... |
| 13:46 | <gbee> | 10 seconds or so, but that's a guess really, might even be a little low |
| 13:47 | <GreyFoxx> | wow, that's crazy |
| 13:47 | <gnome42> | and you are just punching in the channum to change channels? or using the OSD menu? |
| 13:48 | <gbee> | either |
| 13:48 | <gnome42> | I got roughly 4 secs going from dvb chan to ivtv |
| 13:49 | <GreyFoxx> | hmmm /a tries it |
| 13:49 | <gbee> | damn, nova-t 500 bug has just brought down the kernel on my backend >:( |
| 13:49 | <gnome42> | :/ |
| 13:50 | <gbee> | gnome42: hmm, that's interesting what sort of speed is that machine? I'm not sure it's a huge factor but this backend is pretty slow compared to some (old 1.4Ghz Athlon) |
| 13:51 | * | gbee goes to find the path janneg linked the other day to see if it actually fixes this driver bug |
| 13:52 | <gnome42> | My setup is pretty slow, the slave dvb backend is AMD 900 and the master is athlon 2500 (tottally over loaded too). |
| 13:53 | <GreyFoxx> | 5 seconds to go from DVB (QAM) on aslave to IVTV on the master |
| 13:53 | <GreyFoxx> | still oonger than I would have expected |
| 13:54 | <GreyFoxx> | hmmm what listens on port 6948 ? |
| 13:55 | <GreyFoxx> | I see a complaint about being unable to bind 6948 each time it connects to a backend |
| 13:55 | <gnome42> | GreyFoxx: netstat -tuplen|grep 6948 |
| 13:55 | <GreyFoxx> | well I know the app, I was more wondering which part of myth does it "_ |
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| 13:55 | <GreyFoxx> | 2008-01-13 14:53:44.323 Using protocol version 3700 |
| 13:55 | <GreyFoxx> | 2008-01-13 14:53:45.586 Could not bind to UDP notify port: 6948 |
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| 13:56 | <gnome42> | ooh ok :) |
| 13:57 | <janneg> | gbee: multirec is for me as stable as trunk. I can't remember when I saw the last crash |
| 13:57 | <GreyFoxx> | yeah I use it constantly as well |
| 13:58 | <GreyFoxx> | hmmmm ok looks like 6948 is mythtvosd |
| 13:58 | <gnome42> | janneg: but do you use livetv? |
| 14:00 | <janneg> | gnome42: occasionally |
| 14:01 | <GreyFoxx> | multirec is perfectly stable here, but admittedly I only use livetv for quick tests |
| 14:02 | <GreyFoxx> | I do tons of concurrent recordings |
| 14:02 | <GreyFoxx> | 8 at a time quite often |
| 14:02 | <gbee> | I suppose you could say I was torture testing livetv at the time and at the moment it crashed I was requesting an unavailable channel (on another multiplex) |
| 14:03 | <gnome42> | I believe that gbee's experience will be common for the first while. Folks will install multirec and fire up multiple recordings and then attempt to go channel surfing. Leading to unhappiness :) |
| 14:04 | <GreyFoxx> | gbee: were you (or have you tried) to reproduce it ? |
| 14:04 | <GreyFoxx> | maybe a bt ? |
| 14:05 | <gbee> | but then that was the point, I was trying to break it and suceeded, wouldn't be doing a good job of beta testing otherwise |
| 14:05 | <janneg> | strange, I've updated multirec and now frontend times out in the watch recordings screen |
| 14:05 | <gbee> | GreyFoxx: tried but failed to reproduce it so far |
| 14:05 | <gbee> | been running under gdb ever since |
| 14:05 | <GreyFoxx> | janneg: I see DK did a sync this morning, I haven't updated since Friday |
| 14:05 | <GreyFoxx> | gbee: Ahh |
| 14:06 | <gnome42> | janneg: r15422 is ok for me. |
| 14:07 | * | gnome42 gotta run |
| 14:07 | <GreyFoxx> | 15419 here working happily |
| 14:08 | <janneg> | GreyFoxx: yes, but that sync was minor, just mediamonitor changes and debug code in the mainserver.cpp |
| 14:08 | <janneg> | I've already reverted that locally |
| 14:08 | <GreyFoxx> | ok |
| 14:09 | <gnome42> | janneg: I sent a scheduler patch to you and Daniel to morning. Might be good to get a fix for that problem in soon if more people are going to try multirec. |
| 14:09 | <gnome42> | ok, really have to go. |
| 14:10 | <GreyFoxx> | ok, that port 6948 stuff appears only after changing a channel not on the first channels startup. So it looks like we are trying to rebind to the notify port even though we already have it |
| 14:11 | <GreyFoxx> | wonder if that could cause any problems |
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| 14:11 | <GreyFoxx> | and right when exiting livetv I seeQObject::disconnect: Unexpected null parameter |
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| 14:22 | <GreyFoxx> | ahhh ok, when we change channels we create a new UDPNotify object, and all but the first fail to bind the port. We only call the destructor when exiting livetv alltogether |
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| 14:38 | <janneg> | I think it's just an nfs oddity. stating one of my unmounted nfs mountpoints hangs. let's see if a reboot fixes it |
| 14:41 | <janneg> | yes, works now |
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| 15:11 | <xris> | test |
| 15:11 | <xris> | ok, text works today.. weird. |
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| 15:15 | <gbee> | xris: how's the website coming? |
| 15:15 | <xris> | gbee: distracted by other things, of course. |
| 15:15 | <gbee> | heh, of course |
| 15:16 | <gbee> | would be nice if I could go more than a week without getting distracted |
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| 15:49 | <runlevel> | is there a way to use a remote blue tooth pointing device with mythtv? |
| 15:50 | <runlevel> | i have the Logitech MX Air and it works perfect but i cant seem to use it in mythtv |
| 15:52 | * | stuarta waves a hand in the vague general direction of the topic |
| 15:52 | <gbee> | runlevel: that's a #mythtv-users topic, but in summary mythtv doesn't yet have great mouse support it was designed for remotes so a lot of places don't even respond to mouse input |
| 15:53 | <gbee> | that will change by the time 0.22 is released, but we're only just looking at making the 0.21 release right now |
| 15:54 | <stuarta> | gbee: you are being quite helpful today ;-) |
| 15:54 | <runlevel> | gbee: oh ok thanks man |
| 15:55 | <gbee> | stuarta: something in the water |
| 15:55 | <stuarta> | heh |
| 15:56 | <stuarta> | i converted the water to wine and drank that instead |
| 15:56 | <gbee> | handy ability that |
| 15:56 | * | justinh ponders asking about changing the ESCAPE || LEFT action in some screens so that only ESCAPE works as an exit key, then thinks better of it |
| 15:57 | <stuarta> | well it mainly involves having a well stocked booze supply |
| 15:57 | <stuarta> | justinh: evening |
| 15:57 | <justinh> | evening :) |
| 15:58 | <stuarta> | trying to decipher wtf mythtranscode does to get itself stuck |
| 15:58 | <justinh> | I could see a number of disgruntled users who have 6 button remotes if the above change was made. no easy way to make it optional either |
| 15:58 | * | stuarta is one of those |
| 15:59 | <stuarta> | mini-mac remote has only 6 buttons |
| 15:59 | <justinh> | bit infuriating sometimes when you hit left by mistook & end up out in the main menu again |
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| 15:59 | <stuarta> | doesn't happen often |
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| 16:01 | <justinh> | then again the alternative - i.e. re-writing every keypress handler to use a common function.. not good either |
| 16:01 | <stuarta> | it's like putting you hand on a burning stove. there's only so many times you do it before you learn |
| 16:01 | <justinh> | heheh |
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| 16:09 | <stuarta> | trying to decipher mythtranscode |
| 16:09 | <stuarta> | and what condition can get it into that "Deadlock detected, one buffer is full when the other is empty" state. |
| 16:09 | <stuarta> | joy |
| 16:20 | <stuarta> | ah light dawns. |
| 16:21 | <stuarta> | maybe it's not coping with a frame that comes earlier in the sequence than what it's expecting |
| 16:25 | <stuarta> | i'm gunna need to dig some more next week. |
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| 16:29 | <gbee> | justinh: should be able to offer a generic mythui template towards the end of next week |
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| 17:30 | <gbee> | justinh: have you tried HD with you new frontend? |
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| 17:35 | <justinh> | gbee: not in mythfrontend yet. played 720p h264 from the apple site no probs. 1080p played ok in 30 sec bursts |
| 17:35 | <justinh> | the bbchd test I've got.. dunno yet |
| 17:36 | <gbee> | I was wondering whether there would be any issues with the Intel GPU, though I realise that the issue is moot, the board I was looking at doesn't include onboard tv-out |
| 17:36 | <justinh> | damn my FE is turned off. haven't got around to enabling WoL yet |
| 17:37 | <gbee> | actually, that's not a problem if DVI can be passed to the tv (not a subject I know much about) |
| 17:37 | <justinh> | don't think I'll get far in mythfrontend without multithreading for AVC h.264 somehow |
| 17:37 | <justinh> | gbee: re the mythui template - cool :) |
| 17:41 | <gbee> | problem I've got regarding the motherboard is that I want it to be HD capable including connection to the TV, but as I don't yet have a HDTV I need a simple way to hook it up via scart as well ... the nvidia based boards were perfect for that, they have both s-vid/component out as well as DVI, but the intel boards don't |
| 17:41 | <gbee> | right now I can only fit intel based models of the barebones system I'm after :/ |
| 17:41 | <justinh> | stuarta: iamlindoro has some insight over in -users w.r.t. failure of lossless transcoding with firewire recordings - seems the timestamps in the stream are absolute, not relative to the start of the stream apparently |
| 17:42 | <justinh> | gbee: VGA-SCART is pretty much a non-starter if there aren't any interlaced modes possible. and guess what? they ain't on Intel right now allegedly |
| 17:43 | <justinh> | my Intel board has DVI, VGA & svideo, which is nice |
| 17:43 | <justinh> | only snag is (if you can call it a snag) - only works with mobile chips. but they're pretty cheap on ebay right now. 1.83Ghz core2 duo for around £50 |
| 17:43 | <gbee> | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/129352 << What I was looking at |
| 17:44 | <justinh> | I'd recommend the setup I've got... assuming it'll cope with BBC HD with a threaded player |
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| 17:45 | <gbee> | don't like the Silverstone cases, at least not the ones I've seen |
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| 17:46 | <justinh> | I didn't mean the case. wouldn't wish the lc02 on anybody |
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| 17:47 | <gbee> | well the reason I especially liked the Pundit line was the price, case + mobo cheaper than most small form factor cases alone, but I might be a little stuck on that idea and should probably try being more flexible |
| 17:49 | <justinh> | might be able to put a low profile pci-e vga card in there |
| 17:49 | <gbee> | yeah, but that would mean sacrificing one of the tuners ;) |
| 17:50 | <justinh> | ah no pci-e |
| 17:50 | <gbee> | and there is that |
| 17:50 | <justinh> | worst case scenario, grab a VGA-tv scaler thingy off ebay for a tenner or so |
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| 17:51 | <justinh> | anyway, time for me to head to bedfordshire. g'night all |
| 17:52 | <gbee> | that would be the worst case scenario, but might be an acceptable short term solution until I get the TV |
| 17:53 | <gbee> | then again, I've been talking of replacing my existing system for over a year, so I'm probably not going to make the decision overnight ..... |
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| 19:11 | <rooaus> | gbee: I will create a patch for the guide video mod8 problem soon, just setting up my new laptop (and playing) first :D |
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