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| 08:48 | <justinh> | gbee: http://www.microdirect.co.uk/productInfo.aspx?ProductID=12319&Spec=1#ShowReview - has composite out too. takes mobile chiplets but only one pci slot. has pci-e though |
| 08:52 | <gbee> | justinh: thanks, worth considering :) |
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| 10:20 | <jams> | gbee,justinh what do you think about moving the titles out to title.xml ? |
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| 10:21 | <justinh> | what titles? |
| 10:22 | <justinh> | ah hang on.. menu titles.. so they can be text? not fussed either way tbh |
| 10:22 | <jams> | yeah the menu titles. |
| 10:22 | <justinh> | rather see ui.xml chopped up :) |
| 10:22 | <gbee> | jams: menu titles? I've re-written all that to properly use mythui, I don't mind moving it, though what's the goal? |
| 10:23 | <justinh> | theme.xml isn't the most packed out, awkward or lengthy of files IMHO |
| 10:23 | <jams> | just thinking it would be easier to share changes and easier to keep them up to date. |
| 10:24 | <hereitcomes> | hey guys, I'm just looking into mythtv development now for my uni project. it's to allow users to schedule recordings remotely using digital pen and paper |
| 10:24 | <hereitcomes> | can you write a plugin that affects the backend only? I don't want the users to need a frontend running for the scheduling to take place |
| 10:24 | <jams> | not a big deal, just working with a theme now and thought it would be nice. |
| 10:24 | <jams> | theme.xml is the one xml file that can't be shared between themes. |
| 10:25 | <justinh> | jams: yeah I get it now. but how'd you make it optional for those who don't want them? |
| 10:25 | <gbee> | or in my case, I want text-only titles not images based ones (one of the things switching to mythui allows) |
| 10:27 | <gbee> | hereitcomes: there isn't currently a plugin infrastructure for the backend |
| 10:28 | <jams> | gbee- how do you define the txt titles? |
| 10:28 | <jams> | or is that not working yet |
| 10:29 | <hereitcomes> | oh.. thanks. can you tell me the best place to start looking into how recordings are scheduled? I've written everything except the mythtv side. I need to be able to at least pass in info over a java socket like "Mon 13/08/08 BBC1 17:40 18:00" and have something in the backend or a plugin be able to perform that .. I'm so lost in the dozens of classes! |
| 10:31 | <jams> | oh i see..you moved that to base.xml |
| 10:34 | <gbee> | jams: something like this: http://pastebin.ca/854763 |
| 10:34 | <gbee> | jams: it's not committed to trunk yet (got to redo it, but it works) |
| 10:35 | <gbee> | uses mythuistatetype, so do the watermarks and icons |
| 10:35 | <justinh> | titles moved to base.xml ? |
| 10:35 | <gbee> | no |
| 10:35 | <jams> | gbee- then what it the menutitle area in base.xml ? |
| 10:36 | <jams> | isn't that for the text titles? |
| 10:36 | <justinh> | I'm confuzzled by that pastebin |
| 10:37 | <gbee> | in which theme? metallurgy? that's just temporary until I get this myththemedmenu rewrite into trunk |
| 10:37 | <jams> | yes metallurgy...ok |
| 10:37 | <gbee> | justinh: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/MythUIThemeFormat |
| 10:38 | <gbee> | see the section on statetypes |
| 10:39 | <jams> | gbee- that format works for me. Assuming both image and text is listed there just to show how it's done. |
| 10:40 | <gbee> | jams: yeah, you can actually stick whatever you want in there image/text/elephant or a combination of those, two images, text and a canary |
| 10:40 | <jams> | move all that info to title.xml and then just include it =) |
| 10:40 | <gbee> | if you must ;) |
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| 10:40 | <justinh> | still don't get it |
| 10:41 | <stuarta> | hereitcomes, gbee: what about the telnet interface? |
| 10:41 | <justinh> | looks harder than it is now though |
| 10:42 | <hereitcomes> | stuarta: it all has to be completely automated, the project is for complete novices to just use pen and paper to record tv shows |
| 10:42 | <gbee> | justinh: more text per definition maybe, but extremely powerfull |
| 10:42 | <stuarta> | hereitcomes: you are loking for an interface into o the backend? |
| 10:43 | <jams> | gbee- with text titles does that need a define area? |
| 10:43 | <justinh> | think I'll give that a miss |
| 10:43 | <hereitcomes> | stuart: yes, to make it possible to manually record a show if given just a string with the relevant info |
| 10:44 | <stuarta> | have a look at the telnet interface. it'll give you a command window into the backend, then you can write the rest of the glue |
| 10:45 | <gbee> | jams: yeah, relative to the position but it can inherit from another object, so you need only type it once e.g. <textarea name="foo"><area>0,0,100,30</area></textarea> <textarea name="bar" from="foo"></textarea> |
| 10:45 | <hereitcomes> | stuarta: thank you, any tips on where to learn the commands needed? |
| 10:45 | <stuarta> | the source :) |
| 10:45 | <jams> | gbee- right..just making sure. |
| 10:45 | <hereitcomes> | haha.. great. |
| 10:46 | <justinh> | thought mythui was sposed to be making things easier |
| 10:46 | <hereitcomes> | *newbie tears* |
| 10:46 | <hereitcomes> | I knew reading was gonna come in handy someday |
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| 10:48 | <hereitcomes> | stuarta: are you talking about mythprotocol commands? I don't think that's going to be enough to manually record a program |
| 10:49 | <justinh> | hereitcomes: if you can understand python take a look at xbmcmythtv for examples |
| 10:49 | <stuarta> | it may need extending |
| 10:49 | <hereitcomes> | I had monitored the packets sent from frontend-backend when I press "r" while watching livetv, and there's virtually no info sent |
| 10:49 | <gbee> | justinh: dunno who said that ;) the syntax for most things is pretty similar to the existing xml, but there are fewer widgets and each one supports a lot more features |
| 10:49 | <hereitcomes> | ok I'll shut up now, thanks guys I'll go have a mess about |
| 10:49 | <justinh> | gbee: looks like a nightmare to me right now |
| 10:49 | <jams> | this stinks..menu items can be read at 800x600 but they disappear at 1280x720 |
| 10:50 | <gbee> | e.g. there is one list widget, but it can do horizontal, vertical and grid layouts |
| 10:50 | <justinh> | no images in buttonlist? |
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| 10:50 | <justinh> | looks like only gradients :( |
| 10:51 | <gbee> | justinh: no buttonlist supports 4 different images, foreground images (think album cover art) and background images for three different states, selected, active and inactive |
| 10:52 | <gbee> | regular-background etc accept a "filename" argument, just isn't shown on that page |
| 10:52 | <justinh> | ah |
| 10:52 | <gbee> | it will fallback to gradients if no image is specified |
| 10:53 | <gbee> | the gradient stuff seems mostly to exist so you can mimic the look of existing libmyth widgets which use that grey gradient |
| 10:53 | <justinh> | be interesting to see what kind of uproar is coming along when a certain other entity proposes their UI rework. talk about reinventing the wheel, and making the tools to draw the new invention |
| 10:53 | * | justinh chuckles. who'd want to minic that? ;) |
| 10:55 | <justinh> | I'm sure I'll get my head around it eventually. today isn't a good day |
| 11:22 | <justinh> | can't believe I've basically had to turn down a free trip to Florida next weekend |
| 11:24 | <stuarta> | you mad? |
| 11:25 | <justinh> | just for one meeting? seemed a bit much |
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| 11:49 | <stuarta> | looks like daniels started on the multirec merge |
| 11:49 | <stuarta> | s/started/done |
| 11:51 | <justinh> | woooo ! :) |
| 11:51 | <stuarta> | time for a rebuild! |
| 11:51 | <justinh> | anyway stuarta the rub is, can't get time off work to go on the trip anyway |
| 11:51 | <stuarta> | :( |
| 11:52 | <justinh> | other tech is going to Amsterdam. I'm not gonna say I hope he gets inspected on his way home |
| 11:52 | <stuarta> | heh |
| 11:53 | * | stuarta distcleans and rebuilds |
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| 11:56 | <stuarta> | evening Chutt |
| 11:56 | <Chutt> | hey |
| 11:56 | <justinh> | I suspect trunk will rarely have been so er.. enthusiastically taken to as after #3326 :) |
| 11:57 | <GreyFoxx> | heheh |
| 11:57 | <GreyFoxx> | KAza: Allows you to record more than 1 channel from asingle multiplex |
| 11:57 | <GreyFoxx> | oops |
| 11:58 | <justinh> | as good an excuse as any to junk the framegrabber in my dev box |
| 11:58 | <stuarta> | rebuilding as we speak |
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| 12:08 | <justinh> | ebuyer are kidding aren't they? USB DVB-T stick for £13 ?! |
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| 12:12 | <janneg> | justinh: that's cheap. cheapest I've seen was 19 EUR |
| 12:13 | <justinh> | rather pay more & be safe in the knowledge it works in linux tbh |
| 12:13 | <janneg> | the one I saw had linux drivers |
| 12:14 | <stuarta> | just have to work out which reference design they use |
| 12:18 | <justinh> | cheapest the linuxtv wiki mentions as supported is asus mycinema U3000 at only £3 more :) |
| 12:21 | <janneg> | justinh: if it's not mini, it's not supported |
| 12:22 | <mattwire> | The KWorld dvb-t 300u works well too. Got mine from scan for about 9.50 but they've gone up a bit sicne |
| 12:22 | <justinh> | something from kworld works?! :) |
| 12:23 | <justinh> | janneg: and it's the mini :) |
| 12:23 | <stuarta> | i've got one of their dvb-t cards, works a treat |
| 12:24 | <janneg> | justinh: the kworld DVB-* pci cards are working, but they are using conexant's design |
| 12:25 | <justinh> | Hauppauge nova-t is still cheapest around here. think I'll just do that |
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| 12:30 | <GreyFoxx> | mythb: Slackware here |
| 12:30 | * | GreyFoxx slaps himself to pay more attention to channel focus |
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| 12:46 | <janneg> | GreyFoxx: iirc was #3347 already fixed |
| 12:51 | <GreyFoxx> | I think you are right |
| 12:51 | <GreyFoxx> | Just seeing so many open tickets makes me twitchy heh |
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| 12:52 | <GreyFoxx> | Anyone seen oscar lately? Lots of open translation patches |
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| 13:21 | <MrGandalf> | so, multirec is in.. |
| 13:21 | <MrGandalf> | should be interesting |
| 13:22 | <gnome42> | Yep :) |
| 13:22 | <MrGandalf> | last time I tried that branch the guide was entirely too slow |
| 13:23 | <MrGandalf> | i hope it's been optimized |
| 13:24 | <superm1> | it's been mreged to trunk? |
| 13:24 | <janneg> | yes |
| 13:24 | <superm1> | ooh fun :) |
| 13:25 | <janneg> | MrGandalf: how was the guide too slow. reaction time on scheduling shows? |
| 13:26 | <MrGandalf> | janneg: reaction time.. I has asked Daniel a long time ago to mark channels which were viewable in the guide.. it can get confusing if you don't know what channels are on what transports. |
| 13:26 | <MrGandalf> | janneg: and that bit of sql I think really killled performance |
| 13:26 | <MrGandalf> | but I'll give it another try |
| 13:26 | <MrGandalf> | I'm probably a special case anyway.. |
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| 13:41 | <gnome42> | janneg: Congrats, on the merge! :) |
| 13:42 | <gnome42> | janneg: small fixup: http://zeke.yi.org/mythtv/fixes/ooo_dvbdescriptors.diff |
| 13:58 | <janneg> | gnome42: applied thanks |
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| 14:02 | <gnome42> | janneg: cool |
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| 14:19 | * | gnome42 wonders if there is any way to verify if any changesets have been lost with the multirec merge |
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| 14:35 | <janneg> | lol, multirec is just merged and I have the first deadlock |
| 14:42 | <gnome42> | janneg: heh :) Any clues? |
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| 14:46 | <janneg> | no, I attached gdb to late and had already 6-8 locked threads, but seems EIT related |
| 14:46 | <gnome42> | ahh, ok |
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| 14:48 | <janneg> | but CI handling was also effected |
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| 14:59 | * | stuarta goes for *the* upgrade |
| 14:59 | * | laga too scared :( |
| 15:00 | <stuarta> | cutting edge i am :-P |
| 15:02 | <stuarta> | however mythtv-setup asking *twice* about a DB upgrade is excessive |
| 15:02 | * | gnome42 suggests not doing livetv channel changing torture tests during your wife's favourite show. Just a suggestion. ;)) |
| 15:03 | <stuarta> | heh |
| 15:03 | <laga> | gnome42: especially not if she's watching on the same frontend. :) |
| 15:03 | <stuarta> | we have a tv for that |
| 15:03 | <gnome42> | :) |
| 15:08 | <gbee> | gnome42: I think the only way to find out is to go through the diff and look for lines being removed that you know are unconnected with multirec, tedious job though |
| 15:10 | <gnome42> | gbee: ooh, really? sounds error prone. |
| 15:11 | <gbee> | well I don't know of another way, but I'd be interested to hear of one |
| 15:12 | <hads> | Congrats on the merge guys. |
| 15:12 | <gbee> | needs doing though, last couple of big merges to trunk have accidently reverted commits |
| 15:12 | <gnome42> | janneg: What's your thought on that? Is there a concern about possibly missing some changesets with the multirec merge? |
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| 15:12 | <gnome42> | gbee: oh, ok. It is a real concern. |
| 15:13 | <gbee> | gnome42: yeah, depends how careful janneg and Daniel have been, but it does happen |
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| 15:33 | <gnome42> | hads: thanks, you have been running multirec OK for a while? |
| 15:34 | <hads> | gnome42: Unfortunately no, I've been a bit unsure since I only run my main system and my wife uses live tv a bit. I'm going to upgrade shortly I think. |
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| 15:41 | <gnome42> | hads: oh, ok. |
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| 15:53 | <janneg> | gnome42: Daniel and I both at least scenned over the merge patch |
| 15:55 | <janneg> | and it does happen. daniel typoed one commit message and missed in the next merge some revisions |
| 15:56 | <janneg> | I catched it only by chance |
| 15:56 | <gnome42> | janneg: OK, good to know. Wasn't sure how much of a concern it was. |
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| 15:57 | <janneg> | the only help would be switching to a different scm tool or hoping that subversion gets proper merge tracking |
| 15:57 | <janneg> | there is something in the works for svn 1.5 |
| 15:59 | <gnome42> | ok, that sounds good. It does indeed sound like a job for the SCM. |
| 16:01 | <gnome42> | git is very space efficient, I have ~100 mutlriec branches and they whole thing only takes 250MB. |
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| 16:09 | <janneg> | yeah, and it contains the whole history. my mythtv git repository is smaller than an svn checkout |
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| 16:23 | <janneg> | gnome42: can you comment on #4471? |
| 16:23 | <gnome42> | gnome42: ok, I'll have a look ... |
| 16:23 | <gnome42> | just talking to myself :) |
| 16:24 | <janneg> | lol |
| 16:31 | <gnome42> | janneg: My initial thought is that we might be able to remove that line. Maybe the bugs it was covering up have been solved. I'm going to try removing that line. |
| 16:34 | <gnome42> | janneg: it has been a long while since I had my head in that part of the code though. |
| 16:37 | <janneg> | gnome42: that code was merged with the diseqc branch merge. probably just an safeguard for dvb-s tuning |
| 16:40 | <janneg> | gnome42: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/10493/ |
| 16:40 | <gbee> | ughh, this nova-t 500 bug is driving me mad |
| 16:41 | <gnome42> | yeah, that was my thought too. Possibly not required now though? |
| 16:42 | <janneg> | not needed if the tuning is successful |
| 16:43 | <janneg> | gbee: the patch didn't helped? |
| 16:43 | <gbee> | janneg: still haven't tried it, I will but I've been a little busy |
| 16:44 | <gbee> | just lost three recordings because of it and I'm having to restart the machine to fix |
| 16:46 | <gnome42> | gbee: ouch |
| 16:46 | <gbee> | removing and reinserting the module just causes a kernel oops |
| 16:51 | <gbee> | I thought upgrading to the latest version of the driver and firmware might have helped, but it made no difference |
| 16:52 | <gbee> | well not quite, the old disconnect issue was better than this because at least I could fix it just by restarting the backend |
| 16:53 | <gbee> | or even better, just enable "on-demand" use of the cards and I'd only lose one recording |
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| 17:02 | <janneg> | gnome42: can you give http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/4471/t4473.diff a try |
| 17:02 | <gnome42> | yeah, just applying now ... |
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| 17:22 | <gbee> | janneg: just installed the patched module now, won't be able to start testing it until my recordings finish |
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| 17:24 | <gbee> | I notice that no-one has yet posted to say the fix definately works |
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| 17:29 | <janneg> | gbee: I can give an educated guess in a couple of months |
| 17:30 | <gbee> | :) |
| 17:31 | <janneg> | maybe earlier if it does not help |
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| 17:34 | <gnome42> | janneg: after a bit of livetv testing I haven't noticed any regressions. |
| 17:35 | <janneg> | have you seen glitches before/after? |
| 17:40 | <gnome42> | Yeah, both before and after but my theory was that the problem wasn't in myth. |
| 17:42 | <gnome42> | oh, yeah. Two sats. with same frequencies :/ |
| 17:42 | <janneg> | you could test with multiple frontends and --geometry if the glitches are caused by tuning |
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| 17:47 | <gnome42> | yeah, that's what I do. If I change channels enough times in the second livetv session the first livetv session will go into prebuf pauses. |
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| 17:54 | <janneg> | you don't have to change channels fast |
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| 17:57 | <gnome42> | hmm, not sure what you mean? |
| 18:02 | <janneg> | as far as I understood the ticket the glitches happen on every tune if there is already a recording/livetv active on the same card |
| 18:02 | <janneg> | might be hardware related |
| 18:06 | <gnome42> | yeah, that was my understanding too. But for me, it only happens sometimes. Yeah, I thought it could hardware/driver related too. |
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| 18:12 | <mumrah> | can anyone recommend a good barebones PC for a DVR application? |
| 18:12 | * | janneg points to the topic |
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| 18:44 | <janneg> | gnome42: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/4471/t4473_v2.diff |
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| 18:50 | <hads> | gnome42: Updated now and up and running with two DVB-S cards each with 3 concurrent recordings. Very cool. |
| 18:52 | <gnome42> | janneg: havne't tried that one. But when the the slave Tune()'s on the master same_input is always false. So that won't do the job? |
| 18:52 | <gnome42> | hads: Excellent! :) |
| 18:53 | <hads> | A couple of LiveTV shows with a bit of channel changing too, no issues as of yet. |
| 19:00 | <janneg> | gnome42: thanks, I forgot that same_input is an parameter to Tune |
| 19:01 | <gnome42> | janneg: sure, np |
| 19:04 | <janneg> | checking if the lnb we get from diseqc_tree->FindLNB() has changed should work? |
| 19:12 | <gnome42> | probably, but what about just comparing the incoming inputid with currentInputID ? (instead of same_input) |
| 19:13 | <gnome42> | brb |
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| 19:16 | <janneg> | gnome42: iirc it is not updated in the master if a slave tunes first |
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| 19:23 | <gnome42> | janneg: oh that's right. Should it be updated I wonder? |
| 19:24 | <janneg> | iirc no, we discussed that already in summer |
| 19:24 | <gnome42> | ok |
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| 19:32 | <janneg> | gnome42: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/4471/t4473_v3.diff |
| 19:38 | <janneg> | multirec merge seems to be rather painless or (almost) nobody switched |
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| 19:42 | <gnome42> | janneg: ok, I'll try v3 patch. |
| 19:45 | <gnome42> | yeah, I wouldn't expect too many people to have switched over yet. There aren't any packages available are there? |
| 19:53 | <justinh> | janneg: iamlindoro in -users is reporting a problem with firewire. he's getting a backtrace |
| 19:54 | <justinh> | says it's with channels with longer than 3 digit channel numbers |
| 19:55 | <rooaus> | janneg: Will be switching later today :) (But I prefer the painless hypothesis) |
| 19:56 | <justinh> | I'll switch when I get a new dvb-t tuner for my dev box, rest assured. tempted to move my production system to trunk but got too much on at the mo |
| 19:59 | <janneg> | justinh: firewire breakage was kind of expected. I can't do much about it |
| 20:00 | <justinh> | fair enough :) |
| 20:00 | <GreyFoxx> | guess I'll be running into that after my current ocmpile finishes :) |
| 20:00 | <justinh> | time to get some shuteye methinks |
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| 20:05 | * | gnome42 wonders if it's wise to only do a drain_dvb_events() if we are going to Tune() and do a wait_for_backend() |
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| 20:06 | <janneg> | gnome42: ? |
| 20:08 | <gnome42> | janneg: when the slave Tune()'s the master (when it's on the same mux), it does a drain_dvb_events() even if it's not going to actually going to actually do the FE_SET_FRONTEND and then wait_for_backend(...) |
| 20:09 | <gnome42> | just looking for spots that might needlessly touch the device. |
| 20:13 | <janneg> | afaik we don't use dvb events so it is just an ioctl |
| 20:14 | <janneg> | it could proabably moved after the if (reset || perv_tuning.IsEqual(... |
| 20:15 | <gnome42> | yeah, that's where I have it at the moment. Seems ok. |
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| 20:22 | <xris> | test |
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| 20:22 | <xris> | test |
| 20:22 | * | gnome42 might need a place to sleep tonite when folks find out I preempted all their shows today :) |
| 20:22 | <xris> | so weird... |
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| 22:37 | <superm1> | gnome42, if you think its a good idea, i'll kick off the weekly build for mythbuntu trunk packages for people to try early. i was planning on waiting for some dust to settle after the multirec merge |
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| 22:45 | <gnome42> | superm1: yeah, bring'em on! :) Might as well get it sorted out quickly and Janne and Daniel seem to have allocated some time now. :) |
| 22:46 | <superm1> | gnome42, okay, away we go :) |
| 22:51 | <gnome42> | Things are looking pretty good IMHO so as gbee said it's good to get more exposure. |
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| 23:54 | <neoalex> | hi guys... just curious has anyone got the Samsung SMT-H3050 working with mythtv via firewire? |
| 23:55 | * | kormoc points neoalex at the topic |
| 23:55 | <neoalex> | damn... keep forgetting, sorry |
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